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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff.

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Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. As this episode comes out in the

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Speaker 1: United States, it's summertime and that means can and that

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Speaker 1: just don't do it. But I mean, I guess if

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Speaker 1: you do the fake tan the spray tan. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: we're we're talking about the spray tan today, are rather

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Speaker 1: pasco host Kristen Caroline are because this is a classic episode.

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Speaker 1: But we thought that this one would be a good

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Speaker 1: one as we as we move more into this summer

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Speaker 1: um and just for me, trying to avoid any tanning

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Speaker 1: or getting burnt seen y'all sunscreen. Um, but where where

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Speaker 1: did this story come for? Um? Yes, if you're curious,

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Speaker 1: you will find out. Um, and we hope that you enjoy, enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff, MOB never told you. From How Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And today on the show it's

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Speaker 1: two pale white girls talking about tanning. That's right. My

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Speaker 1: whole life I have been blindingly white. Um My Scottish

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Speaker 1: Irish heritage would have it no other way. I am

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Speaker 1: few It was probably like fifteen or ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: my friend's mother saw me in a bathing suit and said, Caroline,

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Speaker 1: Every summer I buy tanning creams uh. Yeah, not because

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Speaker 1: of the mom. No, not because of her. That was

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Speaker 1: just like a part of what I already knew, Kristen,

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Speaker 1: which is that I'm blinding when you put me in

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Speaker 1: just beaming light back into space. I mean that sounds

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Speaker 1: so I have tried out many a tanning cream, and

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Speaker 1: the lotion that you used to build up a gradual tan. Listen,

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Speaker 1: don't lose your superpower, though, Caroline, I mean you could

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Speaker 1: be blinding street harassers left and right, someone whistles or

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Speaker 1: at my forearm. So a few weeks ago, I debuted

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Speaker 1: This is this is truly astonishing. Um. I got my

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Speaker 1: But this was for dear Kate underwear, and I got

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Speaker 1: is um And essentially it's a bone softening disorder because

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Speaker 1: you don't get enough of that vitamin D well, vitamin D,

425
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: but also you're not getting enough nutritious foods, you're not

426
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: getting enough calcium um. It would often kids with rickets

427
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: would often have horrific problems with their legs being misshapen. Uh.

428
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: So you you get this this rush of the medical

429
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: community basically prescribing sunshine to people, which sounds really nice,

430
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: but people were winning Nobel prizes over it. In Nree,

431
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: Nils Finson won the Nobel Prize in Medicine by treating

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00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: skin ulcers caused by lupus vulgar us, which is a

433
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: condition linked to TV, with heliotherapy. In that same year

434
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: in Switzerland we get the first hospital treating tuberculous is

435
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: with sun exposure opening, and doctors started to figure out

436
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: the scientific basis of heliotherapy in the nineteen twenties when

437
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: they discover uv light's role in creating vitamin D. And

438
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: then for another Nobel prize, we have Aidolf wind House

439
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: earning the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for linking vitamin D

440
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: with Ricketts treatment. And I mean sunlight was seen as

441
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: a preventive measure too. Kids were sent to preventoriums I

442
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: love it, I know, I want to go, which were

443
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: institutions that provided sit kiddos with good food, fresh air,

444
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: and sunlight, like I do want to go to there.

445
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: So they basically sent them to summer camp, but fancier

446
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: and more relaxing, no color wars, and good less pressure

447
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: than having to like swim the lifeline. Um, let's bring

448
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: back the preventoria. I'm dude, I'm all for it, which

449
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: really just sounds like I need to build a greenhouse

450
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: outside of the office and get sitting it for a

451
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: couple of hours in order some pizza. Right, totally take

452
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: my lactaid first. In ninety eight, Herman Bundieson, who was

453
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: the president of the Chicago Board of Health, really emphasized

454
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: how important sunlight was for children. Uh. He said, no

455
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: deficiencies that developing children are of greater significance than those

456
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: caused by lack of sunlight. I would argue there are

457
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: some bigger problems that kids could face, but no, just sunlight,

458
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: Caroline ah. He continued on. He said, when it shines

459
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: on a child, it helps his bones and teeth to

460
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: form properly and promotes the quality and circulation of his blood.

461
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: The sun bath is just as important as the water bath,

462
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: which reminds me of our Betty Page episode because Betty

463
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Page was such a fan of uh sun baths in

464
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: the nude. Yes, well, and that does kind of tie

465
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: into our next fact about how sunlight starts becoming prescribed

466
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: as treatments for all kinds of things including anemia, syphilis,

467
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: heart disease, cancer which little ironic there, stomach problems and

468
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: also issues with hormones, arthritis, skin and vaginas. And I'm

469
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: just wondering what the exact heliotherapy prescription would be for

470
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: your vagina. Yeah, you can't use the phrase where the

471
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: sun don't shine anymore? Yeah, because it's like, do you

472
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: do you try to get sunlight on the vagina? Because

473
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: that would be hard because I think they mean volva

474
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Speaker 1: And I just have a lot of questions now. I Yeah,

475
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: when you talk about solving gynecological problems with the sun,

476
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: what exactly are you referring to just put your volva

477
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: under a heat lamp all your problems will go away. Uh?

478
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: But you know, not everybody was on board. The New

479
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: England Journal of Medicine in nine their editors reviewed the

480
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: book Ultra Violet Raise in the Treatment and Cure of

481
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Disease and they dismissed it as really nothing more than

482
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: a giant ad for UV lamps, and said that they

483
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: hoped the quote unquote laity did not get their hands

484
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: on it. But any concerns regarding skin cancer at this time,

485
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: we're ignored. Any concerns about this stuff just being a

486
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: bunch of fancy snake oil, We're ignored. And all were

487
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: outweighed by the perceived benefits. Oh yeah, esteemed medical journal

488
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: The Lancet declared in nine the face browned by the

489
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: sun is regarded as an index of health. And note though,

490
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean like we can, you can peel apart so

491
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: many layers in just in that statement of the face

492
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: browned by the sun is good. Not the face if

493
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: you're born with the brown face not so good. Yeah,

494
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: the face browned by genetics, that was not. They didn't

495
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: include that. So therefore you get a tan that means

496
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: you're in good health, which means you're beautiful. Yeah. And

497
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 1: speaking of beauty, we gotta get over to fashion and

498
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: hop to the lady who, in pretty much any popular

499
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: history of tanning that you read, will be cited as

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00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: the one responsible for getting us all to the beach

501
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: and sun burning ourselves. Accidentally, that's Coco Chanel of course, yeah,

502
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: she of the tweed and pearls and Nazi sympathizing. True, yeah,

503
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: that's everything you love is problematic. Um in, Miss Chanelle

504
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: caught a little bit too much sun while cruising around

505
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: the French riviera. As you do, as you do, you

506
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: can't help it. And her take on it shrug. A

507
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: girl simply has to be tan, and a golden tan

508
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: is the index of chic. And we were looking at

509
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: a study that analyze ads and articles in Harper's Bizarre

510
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: and Vogue, and it was astonishing to see the up

511
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: swing just between like and nineteen and the number of

512
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: tanning related ads and also tanning related articles. Um back

513
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: in Vogue advertised its first tanning lamp, but those kind

514
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: of ads were really few and far between until that

515
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: pivotal moment. In for instance, that same year British Vogue declared,

516
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: pay attention, Carol, this is the backless age. There is

517
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: no single smarter gesture than to have every low backed

518
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: costume cut exactly on the same lines, so that each

519
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: one makes a perfect frame for a smooth brown back.

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00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: M M, yeah, well, I mean swimsuits. Are they talking

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00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: about clothes or swimsuits? I don't know. I mean, I

522
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: think they're just saying, like, avoid tan lines and and

523
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: get get a tan you pasty white jerks. Uh, I

524
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: mean because I asked that. Because over the course of

525
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: the twenties and thirties we have stats people swimsuits were shrinking.

526
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Skin exposure jumped from for women and for men to

527
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: a scandalous of the skin exposed. Man, I wouldn't it

528
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: be nice if swimsuits still just revealed forty of our skin?

529
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: So the same year British Vogue declared the backless age.

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00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: Don't you know? American Vogue had a four page spread

531
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: describing clothes, makeup and accessories to best show off tanned skin.

532
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: And they said, from a chic note, sunburn became a trend,

533
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: then an established fashion, and now the entire feminine world

534
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: is sunburned conscious. Yeah. Similarly, in the same year, June

535
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Harper's Bizarre had an issue titled shall We Gild the Lily,

536
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: which began with the assertion, there is no doubt about it.

537
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: If you haven't a tanned look about you, you aren't

538
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: part of the rage of the moment. Well, and who

539
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: is the audience for these magazines, Wealthy white women, women?

540
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: Who can afford to change out their fashion, go to

541
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: the beach or wherever they might be to have the

542
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: rage of the moment look. And it really only increases

543
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: as people have more disposable income. I mean, the tanning

544
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: fat is really inextricably linked with socio economics. Yeah. But

545
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean again, the people who are reading these high

546
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: fashion magazines, being those fair skinned, hooper class white ladies,

547
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: are the ones who shouldn't be unprotected in the sun.

548
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: And so at this time, the same time that we're

549
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: seeing this backless trend, in this tanning trend take off,

550
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: we're also collecting growing evidence in the medical community that

551
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: UV radiation leads to tumor growth and animals, and you

552
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: get more studies that associate UV rays with skin cancer

553
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: in humans. And by the fifties, we're seeing this huge

554
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: increase in melanoma, which continues to rise throughout the twentieth century,

555
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: and non melanoma skin cancer becomes the most common cancer

556
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: in the world in the twentieth century. But that doesn't

557
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: stop anyone from getting out in the sun. Yeah, I mean,

558
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: because who doesn't want to be the rage of the moment?

559
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean that weighed against cancer. I mean come on,

560
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that I think Vogue wins. Obviously you gotta

561
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: die of something, right, Oh god, this podcast just got

562
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: so bleak. Yeah, totally. So let's go to France. Oh yes,

563
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: for paid vacation. UM. France introduced paid vacations in the

564
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: thirties and by the forties this had spread and you

565
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: see increased travel, outdoor activities and pop culture that's even

566
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: more favorable to tan ning and also revealing clothes and swimsuits.

567
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: And you probably see this permeating pop culture as well,

568
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: whether it's films that take place on the beach and

569
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: showmen and women around pools being glamorous in their swimsuits. UM,

570
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: or of course you know you have your your fashion

571
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: magazines that are teaching you exactly how you should look well.

572
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: In ninety three, Hello, war fabric rations meant that women

573
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: swimwear had to shrink by ten percent. And this swimsuit

574
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: shrinkage opens the door to something you and I have

575
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast before, Kristen, the eventual invention

576
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: of the bikini in ninety which this leaves eighty percent

577
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: of your skin open to the sun, and so you've

578
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: got so much more skin to tan, so many more

579
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: outfits to feature all of that non genetic brown skin.

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00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: And listen, during World War Two, ladies were busy. Rose

581
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: of the riveters didn't necessarily have time to go to

582
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: the beach and go get a tan directly from the sun.

583
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: So during the war, women would actually rely on tea

584
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: bags to stain their skin, and apparently in Britain there

585
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: was some marmite ish sounding paste or bullion that they

586
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: would use. They would soak their legs in that people soup.

587
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: People soup. We're just making people soup. They soak their legs,

588
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: legs and soil and green and no, it just sounds

589
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: like let's fill up the hot tub, throw in some

590
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: bully on cubes and let's all go for a soak. Yeah,

591
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: it's horrifying. Again, this podcast got so dark. Yeah, exactly.

592
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: Tanning so in the fifties, zo in the in the

593
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: post World War two era, we're like, hey, the g

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Speaker 1: i s are coming home. You probably already have a

595
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: tan because you've been outside a lot, but let's let's

596
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: replicate that trenched tan. Yes, you have man tan in

597
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: the fifties, which is the first commercially available self tanner.

598
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: I believe men, especially designed for men, which especially designed

599
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: is in quotes because it's probably the exact same thing

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00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: as what was being sold to women, but maybe smelled differently. Um,

601
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: and it promised to be moisturizing and long lasting. Yeah,

602
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: it just smells like pine trees and cigarettes. It's like

603
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: Don Draper's office oppression. Uh. Well, by the nineteen sixties,

604
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, we we've we've seen the subtext here is

605
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: the rising middle class, the rise of leisure, the rise

606
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: of vacations. And so by the nineteen sixties people have

607
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: enough money to enjoy color films so you better look good,

608
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: and commercial air travel, and by the seventies the world

609
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: economy was tanking thanks war. Uh. Sunless tanning really takes

610
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: the place of all of those Mediterranean vacations that people

611
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: in Europe. Specifically, we're taking eight tanning beds get introduced

612
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: and the first one, which I never knew in the US,

613
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: opens in Arkansas. Well, Walmart and lanning Beds Arkansas. Listeners. Hey,

614
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: and if you jumped to one, you've got about ten

615
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: new tanning centers opening in the US each week. By

616
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: in the US alone, you have eighteen thousand tanning centers.

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00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a lot of tanning, and typically, like nowadays,

618
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: you look around and tanning there they are next to Walmart's.

619
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: You've got like a walmart in, a nail place and

620
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: a tanning place and a radio shack. Oh, the radio shack.

621
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm like my dad, I think there's some still open. Okay,

622
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: because Chad goes there, someone let us know about radio shack. Um. Yeah.

623
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Speaker 1: Growing up in a college town, there were channing salons

624
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere. But I feel like now Caroline, where we

625
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: are in town in Atlanta, were likelier to see more

626
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: spray tan outlets than we are tanning bed spots or

627
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: places that do both. Yeah, I don't know, I'm just

628
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of talking. Well, I mean, I think I don't

629
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: know from what I've observed in kind of booge your neighborhoods,

630
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: you're likely to see spray tan. Yeah. Well, I mean

631
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: more class issues that we can dive into. It doesn't

632
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: stop people, It don't stop you can't. Sunscreen won't protect

633
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: you against the rest of this episode. Yes, because we're

634
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Speaker 1: not done in the nineteen eighties. You've got all of

635
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: that glamorous, like eighties crazy makeup, which includes a lot

636
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: of bronzers. So the popularity of bronzers. Economic boom times

637
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: mean people are taking those glamorous beach getaway packages, which

638
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: essentially means that tanning remains a necessity through the next

639
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: couple of decades. And by the two thousand uh British

640
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: people in a survey, fifty of them said that getting

641
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: a tan was the most important reason for going on vacation.

642
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I remember so well, just laying

643
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: out on my parents patio because we didn't have a

644
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: pool membership, and just sweating and sweating and sweating and

645
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: trying to enjoy it. I remember reading the Unabridged lay

646
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Miss one summer because it was reading for like my

647
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: ap English class, humble brag, and just baking myself outside. Yeah, well,

648
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: I remember laying When I hit puberty and had some

649
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: really bad skin issues, I was encouraged to get some

650
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: sun to help the zits go away. Little did I

651
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: know that while because we we talked about this in

652
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: our acne episode, that while yes, the sun can help

653
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: fade some of those acne marks, it actually only makes

654
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: them kind of come back with a vengeance because the

655
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: sun inflames the skin and any corrective like quote unquote

656
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: treatment the sun has for acne is really more effective

657
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: on that youth full acne, not so much for the

658
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: adult hormonal acne. So jokes on me and my fine

659
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: lines and wrinkles and the sun can be such a

660
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: jerk sometimes sometimes, um. But speaking of age differences, we

661
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: have a lot more information to cover, and we want

662
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: to dive into some demographics and all of that class

663
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: issue stuff that we've been hinting at when we come

664
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: right back from a quick break and now back to

665
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Speaker 1: the show. So, as we mentioned at the top of

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Speaker 1: the podcast, the number one tanning demographic specifically when we're

667
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: talking about tanning beds are white girls. Young white girls. Yeah,

668
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: that's right. Studies have shown that white teen girls of

669
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: a higher socio economic status are the most likely to

670
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: tan the with indoors and out. And I'm going to

671
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: admit I was actually surprised by the higher socio economic

672
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: status aspect of that, And and maybe that's judging of me,

673
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: and I certainly don't want to sound like I'm passing judgment,

674
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: but I I do feel like I nowadays read in

675
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: magazines and blogs so much about protecting your skin and

676
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: not tanning either. In a tanning booth or outside, you know,

677
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: stick to self tanners if you want to get darker.

678
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: Um that there was just like my gut when I

679
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: read that stat was like, oh I I didn't realize

680
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: like there was such a drive. But then again, this

681
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: is possibly due to an age difference thing. Yeah, I mean,

682
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: rich girls aren't necessarily smarter about their skin. They can

683
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: probably afford a dermatologist and good makeup, but if they are,

684
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: for instance, in a sorority, there's a pretty good chance

685
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: that they will also tan. I mean, I think it's

686
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: also like your you're in group beauty standards, if everyone

687
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: around you has a tan, then you're probably gonna get

688
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: called the pale girl. And I know that's not from

689
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: personal experience, although I'm sure I've been called the pale girl,

690
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: but that is my experience. Um, So there's there's probably

691
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of a pure aspect in there. And

692
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: it takes disposable income to tan. I remember when I

693
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: tanned my senior year of high school, which I know

694
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to regret, like already with certain freckles that

695
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: I have. Um, I've had to pay for it myself.

696
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: My parents were like, listen, we're not going to pay

697
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: for this for you, and it was pricey. I should

698
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: have saved my money, Caroline. But young kids, I know

699
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: I didn't not to sound like an old, but they

700
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: don't know better in terms of feeling invincible. Oh totally.

701
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: My mom warned me every single summer because all I

702
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: wanted was a tan so that I could look, you know,

703
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: to get that social cred that comes with it. Every

704
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: single time she would warn me about getting sunburned and

705
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: sun damage because in her generation, you would sit out

706
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: with the those foil reflective place Sally used baby oil,

707
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: so did Nance. Yeah. Yeah, I can't imagine speaking as

708
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: someone who fell asleep face down on the beach one

709
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: time and like couldn't wear real clothes for the rest

710
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: of the summer because my back was so blistered. Yeah. Like,

711
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to answer for that at some

712
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: point because and I mean, like, I don't want to

713
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: keep going on and on. But the reason that you

714
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: now are seeing more and more states passing regulations against

715
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: younger and younger people visiting tanning booths is because that

716
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: early sun damage early early like early teens, especially blistering sunburns,

717
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: is a super major significant predictor of skin cancer, not

718
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: to mention just all of the wrinkles and sun spots

719
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: that you're going to get. And so it's kind of

720
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: frightening when you read that two point three million teens

721
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: use tanning booths tanning indoors every year and they're probably

722
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: vaping while they do it. Kids these days vaping and

723
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: the CDC in May found that it's interesting that regionally

724
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: they found that the people the women tanning the most

725
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: were in the Midwest and the South. I'm so not surprised.

726
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: From eighteen to and for most of these people, men

727
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: and women alike, it was a regular habit. These people

728
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: reported going to a tanning bed ten or more times

729
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: in the past year, and they're likely supplementing their tanning

730
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: bed experience. You know, Kristen, you talked about seeing a

731
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: lot more spray tanning places. The things go hand in hand.

732
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Speaker 1: People who use self tanners are two and a half

733
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: times more likely to use tanning beds and get five

734
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: or more sunburns during the summer. So these are clearly

735
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: people though, who are hyper focused on changing the color

736
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: of their skin. Well, those people could say, listen, I've

737
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: got research to back up my tanning habit because it

738
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: makes me look more attractive. UM. There was a June

739
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: study in the Journal Pediatric Health which found that our

740
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: motivations for tanning tend to do with looking better and

741
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: young people also cited relaxation, mood enhancement because it does

742
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: release those endorphins, and also socializing. There's the peer influence

743
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: aspect you want to fit in. Um And it also

744
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: cited a study of college students that found that what

745
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: their friends thought and the desire to appear attractive had

746
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: more to do with it than a desire to look healthy.

747
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: And that's no surprise. Yeah, I was praised as a child.

748
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: It was it's so sick, but but sally, definitely. I remember,

749
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'd come up from the beach as a

750
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: young kid and hop out of the shower and my

751
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: mom would be like, oh sweet, you are brown as

752
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: a berry, and she thought it looks so good on her,

753
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: on her pale little child. And I was like, yeah,

754
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm hot. I mean I didn't think that, but um.

755
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: This other study of college students found that when orientations

756
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: toward and that just means like you have a higher

757
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: interest in doing or pursuing orientations toward appearance outdoors, social

758
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: norms and perceived consensus increased, the attitudes towards sunbathing became

759
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: more positive. And I mean, in case we haven't hammered

760
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: this home enough, a two thousand eight Journal of Health

761
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Psychology study found a significant association between tanning bed behavior

762
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: and popular peer crowd identification. And you've got the same

763
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: basic idea for self tanners, except this time in this

764
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: particular study, it was participants romantic partners support for a

765
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: tanned look that positively reinforced self tanning behaviors. I mean

766
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: this that does hearken back to Jersey Shore Jim tan laundry. Yeah,

767
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: but I mean at least they're neat right there doing

768
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: their laundry. And the thing is we, whether we are

769
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: actively tanning ourselves or not, do perceive tanned faces as prettier.

770
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: This was some research reported on by ABC News. Um

771
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: there was a study out of Emory University which used

772
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: home Man, a real throwback website, hot or not, posting

773
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: pictures of the same person, but with one version tan

774
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: and one version pale, and the tanner version received twice

775
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: as high of an attractiveness rating compared to the pale one. Yeah,

776
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: dr Audrey Coon and who's a dermatologist and founder of

777
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: Derma Doctor, Inc. Told ABC News that yeah, I mean

778
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: I hate it, but basically people think tan folks are

779
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: more attractive and healthier looking, and it's super hard to

780
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: get somebody to stop doing something that makes them feel better,

781
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: especially younger people. She says, younger folks have a hard time.

782
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm seeing themselves as getting older and having to deal

783
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: with these risks. I know I did. I was like,

784
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I look great, now, what's the issue? But then you know,

785
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: you do look around and you look for that Uh

786
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: there's something about Mary character on the beach and let

787
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: that be let that serve as a warning of the

788
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: ghost of Christmas Tan future Tan Christmas sunburned. Well. Yeah.

789
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: And and Mark Leary, who's a professor of psychology and

790
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: neuroscience at Duke, basically says that yeah, the Tan has

791
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: not lost that chanel significance even though it's a hundred

792
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: years old. She says, we just he says, we just

793
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: haven't lost it as a signifier of a leisure class yet.

794
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: And Autumn Whitfield Madran, no friend of the podcast writer

795
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: of the Beheld, focuses a lot on beauty issues. She says,

796
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: not only does it serve as a sign of affluence

797
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: and health, but it's also the perfect accessory. She says,

798
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: it's the sweets lot between conspicuous and inconspicuous consumption. Yeah.

799
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: I loved her description as it being the ultimate expression

800
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: of oh, this whole thing, and it's true. Yeah, I mean,

801
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: and I totally agree with the Duke professor that it's

802
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: still a marker of leisure class and all of all

803
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: of those all those issues I think are still embedded

804
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: pretty deeply within it, whether you are getting a tan

805
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: out in the sun or going to get a spray tan.

806
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: Because also I think the very seasonality of it supports

807
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: the class element. Yeah, because like I have definitely looked

808
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: at tan friends before. You know, you come in Monday

809
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: and you've got a little bit of color. I've definitely

810
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: looked at tan friends before and thought like, oh, man,

811
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: you had time to go to the pool this weekend,

812
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: and you know, for me, like I could probably be

813
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: out for five minutes in term beat red, I'm so

814
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: freaking pale and shiny. But just the idea of like,

815
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: oh you had time to like sit down by a

816
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: body of water, maybe you read a book, like I

817
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: fantasize about us your time, like maybe you had time

818
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: to read a book and have a cocktail and enjoy

819
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: the sun and some conversation. Maybe a beach ball was

820
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: involved or some floaties. That sounds wonderful. But on the

821
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: flip side, if someone shows up in the winter time,

822
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: and again this is this has been a super white conversation,

823
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: and I'd say that this is another white observation. If

824
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: someone shows up in the summertime or in the winter,

825
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: excuse me, when we're supposed to be all pasty and

826
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: she's super tan or he's super tan. Because I have

827
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: a gentleman friend who tans in the winter as well.

828
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: It is usually perceived a little more trash even classy.

829
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: I would argue, like, what are you trying to prove? Yeah, like, mmmmm,

830
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about I don't know about that. And

831
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: I wish there were more studies like on that whole

832
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: that line that we we did. Listeners, like, try to

833
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: find some scholarly insight on that whole tanning spectrum. Classy

834
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: to quote unquote trashy because it's very much there, but

835
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a ton of sense. Yeah. Um, So anyway,

836
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: scholars listening, if you if you need to study there's one.

837
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: But going back here line to the very beginning of

838
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: our conversation where you mentioned the tan mom, there can

839
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: be some mental health issues associated with a tanning obsession,

840
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, the person who has to be tan um.

841
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: That same pediatric health study we just cided found that

842
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: thirty of young people showed a level of tanning dependence

843
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: similar to other substance abuse addictions. Yeah, and a Journal

844
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Speaker 1: of the American Academy of Dermatology study from found links

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Speaker 1: between excessive tanning and body dysmorphic disorder and o c D.

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Speaker 1: And those things make sense to me. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: body dysmorphic disorder A lot of times that shows up

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Speaker 1: as obsessions with weight, but you also see that translating

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Speaker 1: into obsessive plastic surgery, obsessive botox, So it makes sense

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Speaker 1: that tanning would be linked with that. It's also, according

851
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Speaker 1: to a behavioral medicine study, linked with higher appearance orientation

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Speaker 1: and depression. So appearance orientation meaning just a hyper focus

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Speaker 1: on your appearance. And it makes sense though that people

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Speaker 1: who are hyper focused on their appearance are going to

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Speaker 1: do things like we mentioned that they perceive will make

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Speaker 1: them more attractive and As for the depression link, which

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00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: mainly they found was associated with indoor tanning, researchers right

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Speaker 1: that users could be unknowingly self medicating to feel that

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00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: relaxation effect, that rush of endorphins, and so researchers wonder

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00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: whether depressive symptoms might inhibit people from wanting to go

861
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: hang out on a beach in a bathing suit and

862
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: instead opt to do indoor tanning privately get that boost

863
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: of endorphins. Because conversely, they found people with better body

864
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: image were more likely to go sunbathe outside around a

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Speaker 1: million people rather than just stay indoor tanning. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: And further research has found that while we might be

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Speaker 1: likelier to ignore those cancer warnings, women are very much

868
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Speaker 1: vigilant about the son's aging effects because oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: if we're talking about beauty standards, I mean, women who

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Speaker 1: look older are usually devalued in that way, right, And

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Speaker 1: so I mean, I think that kind of holds the

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Speaker 1: key in terms of deep tanning being a trend and

873
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: how do you break skin cancer from trending. Unfortunately, a

874
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of that doesn't go to like, hey, you might

875
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Speaker 1: be one of those statistics who get skin cancer and

876
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: dies because researchers have found that that backfires. It seems

877
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: like kind of the key perhaps to anti tanning and

878
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: skin safety campaigns really lies in like, hey, you're gonna

879
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Speaker 1: be wrinkly, and then you're not going to be pretty.

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00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be pretty. Though watch out where a

881
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: wide brimmed hat. And the good thing is hats are

882
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: very in right now. Um, but we also have the

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: government stepping in because we obviously like can't abstain from

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Speaker 1: this very unhealthy habit. So at this point, twelve states

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00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: actually banned tanning bed use for people under eighteen, and

886
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: forty two states regulate tanning bed use by miners in general.

887
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: UM sun lamps now have to carry black box warnings

888
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: saying that people under eighteen shouldn't use them. Although I mean,

889
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: really any age shouldn't that be a thing kind of

890
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: like you know, warnings on cigarettes. It's exactly well, that's

891
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: the logic. It's exactly like the warning on cigarettes, because

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00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: unless you're what was it California who just raised the

893
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: age to one for buying cigarettes? I think California, Yeah,

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00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: I think it's California. But like Georgia, for instance, like

895
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: fourteen is the minimum age for using tanning beds, but

896
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: you have to be accompanied by a parent. Blows mat

897
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: freaking mind. Does that have anything to do with like

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Speaker 1: our like high number of competitive cheerleading squads. I don't

899
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Speaker 1: know what it is. I mean in Georgia, I recently

900
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Speaker 1: learned you can also get married at sixteen with parental consent.

901
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: So there's just a lot of issues here. Um, but okay.

902
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: In the Affordable Care Act included a ten percent tax

903
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: on indoor tanning services, and I did not I miss

904
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: this whole news trend on Maybe it was just like

905
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: the more conservative side of the internet. Apparently a lot

906
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: of people said, you know what, Obama, that's racist. That

907
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: is a racist tax because white people are primarily the

908
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: ones who use these indoor tanning beds. And that ain't flying. Obama,

909
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: We we got you on this one, Thanks Obama, Thanks Obama. Yeah.

910
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: That that sound you heard when Kristen was talking was

911
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: my brain explode oting. Um. Yeah, there was an Atlantic article,

912
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: because there's one on everything, there was one on tanning

913
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: and the politics of it. And they did talk to

914
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: a tanning salon exec who was just outraged by the

915
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: federal regulations encroaching on Americans. Rat to use tanning beds well,

916
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Speaker 1: also do a Midwestern accent caroline. It's not just a

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Speaker 1: self I don't know if I can, can you Oh

918
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: no much a psycho um, But I have a feeling

919
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: that what will be a far more powerful force than

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: the f d A to steer us away from tanning

921
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: and damaging our skin is a fashion world. I mean,

922
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Speaker 1: if Coco Chanel is the one who brought it in Vogue,

923
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: then it's probably gonna take a comparable fashion magnate to

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: get it out of Vogue. And some would argue that

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00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: that's already taking place. You have Verina Van Fetton, who

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Speaker 1: I think was the editor in chief of Stylite in

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Speaker 1: two thousand eight, way back when now saying Tan is

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Speaker 1: the new Tackie, comparing them to Ug's ug boots. I

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Speaker 1: mean really honestly, half of the post was just about

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Speaker 1: her hatred of ug boots um. But also she she

931
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Speaker 1: doesn't like Tan's, associating them with more of a Jersey

932
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: Shore type culture. And then a little more recently in

933
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Speaker 1: USA Today said that a copper tone complexion isn't looking

934
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: so fresh this summer season. And I mean even just

935
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: among anecdotally conversations with my lady friends. It might be

936
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: partially an issue of Welcome to thirty, but we are

937
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: far more into complimenting each other's fair skin tones, um

938
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Speaker 1: and slathering on sunscreen and wearing wide brimmed hats, certainly

939
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: more than we used to be. Yeah, I need to

940
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: be so much better about wearing daily sunscreen. I mean,

941
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm great about it if I'm going to the pool,

942
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: going for a hike, anything like that, you know, extended

943
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: outdoor exposure. But I am so bad about the day

944
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: to day sunscreen use. That's just why I carrious ski

945
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: mask with me. I just pop that on any time

946
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: I go. That's the thing with women in China that

947
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: was also mentioned in some of the articles we read,

948
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: and that was not so much an issue of I

949
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: want to look like a white person, but again related

950
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: to the issue of the paler skin is a marker

951
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: of breeding, high class status. Where's the darker skin in

952
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: China still signifies outdoor labor and Caroline, I think that

953
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: segues as perfectly into our next episode, which is going

954
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: to be a sort of the flip side of all

955
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: of this and a conversation about colorism. Because all of

956
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: these elements we've been talking about in terms of the socioeconomics, racism, etcetera,

957
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: that have played a part in today's conversation. Um are

958
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: sort of a nation for what we're going to chat

959
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: about next time. So listeners, now, we want to know

960
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: about your tanning politics, what has resonated with you and

961
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: is there anyone listening who works for a spray tan

962
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: salon who does the spraying, because I really want to

963
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: hear from you and know what it is like to

964
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: air brush other people's bodies. Yeah, and I do. The

965
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: women at the Atlanta spray tan place that I went to,

966
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: you guys were so nice. I've only heard feedback like

967
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: that from other girlfriends of mine who have gotten spray tans.

968
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: They were so nice and it was a great experience,

969
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: and let me tell you, I loved it. I can

970
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: wear less makeup when I have color on my face

971
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: because I am so pale, so my dark circles just

972
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: like pop out, my my acne scars pop out. So

973
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: when I have a little bit of color, it's like

974
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: such a breath of fresh air, fresh tanning juice laden air.

975
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,560
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976
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Speaker 1: works dot com is our email address. You can also

977
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: tweet us at mom Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook,

978
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Speaker 1: and we've got a couple of messages to share with

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01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: you right now. So I've got a letter here from

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Speaker 1: Becca about our change Makers series that we ran throughout

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01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: March to celebrate Women's History Month. She writes, thank you

982
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Speaker 1: for the Maker Series. Currently, I'm working to open my

983
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: own small business, and I love listening to you keep

984
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Speaker 1: me sane and connected with the outside world while I

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Speaker 1: knit so an embroider. The Maker series was so inspiring

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Speaker 1: and gave me the motivation to keep going even when

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Speaker 1: I get overwhelmed. I quit my job less Paul, and

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Speaker 1: decided to open my own business. After a friend and

989
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990
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Speaker 1: nine five days later, leaving a loving husband, three children,

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Speaker 1: and a huge hole in our community. Regina Wilson's word

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Speaker 1: about her experience after nine eleven as a firefighter and

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Speaker 1: I found myself crying in the kitchen after Laura's passing.

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Speaker 1: I vowed to dream big and go for it. The

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Speaker 1: podcast really touched me in so many ways. And I

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Speaker 1: just had to write in so thank you and keep

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Speaker 1: up the amazing work and on behalf of Laura, I

999
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Speaker 1: would like to request an episode of any aspect of

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Speaker 1: cystic fibrosis. It was her dream to find a cure. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Becca, that means so much for

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Speaker 1: us to hear. And best of luck building your business. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I have a letter here from Alyssa also about our

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Speaker 1: Makers series, this one specifically about our episode talking to

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Speaker 1: Abby wombach Uh. She says, I related in a huge

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Speaker 1: way to some of the things you guys talked about

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Speaker 1: with Abby in your recent interview with her. I'm a

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Speaker 1: junior in college and an n C Double A Division

1009
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Speaker 1: two athlete. I played golf for Lobbit Christian University in Lubbitt, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Go chaps. I've been very blessed with teachers and coaches

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Speaker 1: I've experienced my share of sexism as well. The n

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Speaker 1: C Double A does a wonderful job overall of making

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Speaker 1: rules to make sure that it's athletes don't receive special

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Speaker 1: treatments simply because they are athletes, but they aren't as

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Speaker 1: good at making sure we aren't discriminated against. Unfortunately, my

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Speaker 1: biggest example of the sexism that I have faced is

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Speaker 1: from the n C Double A itself. In the Heartland

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Speaker 1: Conference within Division two, all of the women's golf teams

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Speaker 1: in the conference go to a big tournament to determine

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Speaker 1: who goes to the next level. If you're on a

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Speaker 1: men's team, the top few teams go on to Super Region.

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Speaker 1: If you're a lady golfer, however, there is a board

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Speaker 1: who decides what teams move on past conference once the

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Speaker 1: tournament is over. I've always almost jokingly claimed that I

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Speaker 1: would write a strongly worded letter about the blatant sexism here,

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Speaker 1: but I never got very motivated about it until I

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Speaker 1: heard Abby Wombach talk to you guys about her Title

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Speaker 1: ten project, which she says reminded me of Title nine

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Speaker 1: and put me on a thought trained back to my

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Speaker 1: frustration with this particular rule. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: reading my super long and kind of ranto email. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. A Ton keep doing what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: and Alyssa, you keep doing what you're doing. Caroline, I

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Speaker 1: got you. Gotta love all these women doing such incredible things. Um,

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Speaker 1: thanks for letting us in on what's happening with your lives,

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