Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Chris Mannocks from Sports Illustrated Joints is on
Speaker 1: the program. How do you think this plays out? Was Zion? Yeah,
Speaker 1: as far as this year, we certainly are trending in
Speaker 1: that direction. The latest news about Zion doesn't really give
Speaker 1: you much reason to be optimistic. He's going to be
Speaker 1: backstay before the All Star break. And if you get
Speaker 1: past the All Star break and the Pelicans are still
Speaker 1: in a situation where they are at or near the
Speaker 1: bottom of the Western Conference, you start to wonder what's
Speaker 1: the point. I mean, if you want to add more
Speaker 1: talent around Zion, why not let him sit out this
Speaker 1: entire year and you know, add something for next year.
Speaker 1: But longer term, it is curious. I mean, it's not unprecedented, Dan,
Speaker 1: to have a player with a long term injury work
Speaker 1: out away from a team. That happens in basketball and
Speaker 1: I'm sure in other sports. But there's just the always
Speaker 1: been kind of this unease, perhaps I don't know how
Speaker 1: I also want to phrase, but some tenuousness between Zion
Speaker 1: and the Pelicans. So when you hear he's going to
Speaker 1: be rehabbing in porth And Oregon on the other side
Speaker 1: of the country away from this team, and the Pelicans
Speaker 1: quick to point out in that release, you'll be doing
Speaker 1: it under their medical supervision. You have to wonder kind
Speaker 1: of what exactly is going on between these two who
Speaker 1: plays first, Zion or Ben Simmons. I still think Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons will get moved before the trade deadline. If he's not, somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, you'll find his way back into the Philadelphia lineup. Now.
Speaker 1: You know, there were some reports over Christmas about attraction
Speaker 1: between Simmons or the Sixers and other teams and bobbing Simmons.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard much of that lately. The Sixers are
Speaker 1: still holding out for a significant offer that includes, you know,
Speaker 1: all star level talents that can help them this year,
Speaker 1: and teams around the lead at least at this point,
Speaker 1: are not willing to offer it. I think you're going
Speaker 1: to see this go all the way up until the
Speaker 1: February trade deadline, because I don't think the six are
Speaker 1: getting the kind of offers that they're looking for, and
Speaker 1: they won't get those kind of offers until we get
Speaker 1: right up against that deadline. I was watching Kyrie last night,
Speaker 1: and I've never had any doubts about his talent, you know,
Speaker 1: I have doubts about some of the things that he
Speaker 1: believes in. But here he is on display and he
Speaker 1: looks spectacular last night. What do you think the status
Speaker 1: is going to be the rest of this season? You know,
Speaker 1: if he's just a road player, and if you're the Nets,
Speaker 1: do you want a fifth seed or a sixth seed
Speaker 1: where you're playing more road games in the playoffs than
Speaker 1: you would if you're a top four seed. Well as
Speaker 1: far as seeding goes, And I've kind of had sort
Speaker 1: of casual conversation people in Brooklyn about that that's not
Speaker 1: a variable. I mean they One of the responses I
Speaker 1: get is that who says we can't win in six games?
Speaker 1: Like they believe that these three guys have enough talent
Speaker 1: for them, you know, not to be forced into that
Speaker 1: seven game situation. You look at it, I mean, Kyrie
Speaker 1: was brilliant, as you said last night, twenty two points,
Speaker 1: shot better than fifty percent from the floor in his
Speaker 1: first game that he's played competitively in many months at
Speaker 1: this point. And if you go back to last season,
Speaker 1: I mean the offensive rating for Kyrie, James Hard and
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant in the two hundred and two minutes they
Speaker 1: played was about one hundred and nineteen in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That number spiked to an absurd one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: in limited minutes that they played together in the post seeds.
Speaker 1: So they are great offensively together. I think, Look, the
Speaker 1: nets are going to keep him around. They're going to
Speaker 1: keep him in the practice facility, keep him going as
Speaker 1: a part time player because they don't know I mean
Speaker 1: Dan by this time tomorrow. Would it surprise you if
Speaker 1: Kyrie just got vaccinated, Like his vaccination is going to
Speaker 1: happen without any fanfare. He's probably gonna walk into a
Speaker 1: Walgreens and just get vaccinated on a whim, like so
Speaker 1: that you know. Kyrie didn't dismiss that possibility during his
Speaker 1: interviews last night, So that's out there. Also out there
Speaker 1: is the possibility that the New York City mayor, the
Speaker 1: new mayor, Eric Adams could tweak this mandate. Now this
Speaker 1: isn't an argument about vax or anti vax Dan, but
Speaker 1: the New York City mandate is ridiculous. The fact that
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving can't play, but the three percent of other
Speaker 1: NBA players who are un vaccinated can come into Barclay's
Speaker 1: center and play is absurd. So if I'm the Nets,
Speaker 1: in addition to kind of crossing our fingers and hoping
Speaker 1: James Harden and Kevin Durant can convince Kyrie Irving to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated or Kyrie can do it on his own,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of lobbying city Hall and saying, look, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to make this vaccine mandate, that's fine.
Speaker 1: We believe in public health too, but make it fair
Speaker 1: across the board. If unvaccinated players are coming in here
Speaker 1: who presumably posed the exact same health risk as Kyrie Irving,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be allowed to play either. We're talking to
Speaker 1: Chris Mannix Sports Illustrated NBA senior writer Clay Thompson coming back.
Speaker 1: It looks like their pinpointing Sunday. His addition means what
Speaker 1: for this team this year? I mean, even if it's
Speaker 1: seventy five eighty percent of the Clay Thompson we're used to,
Speaker 1: it's enormous. And you know when I talk to people
Speaker 1: in and around Golden State, all you hear is how
Speaker 1: great he looks, and you know how patient they have
Speaker 1: been with him, kind of trying to work him back
Speaker 1: to being as close to game shape as possible. Now.
Speaker 1: The things to watch for with Clay Thompson earlier not
Speaker 1: going to be the three point shot like he has
Speaker 1: been working on that shot. You know, he's been able
Speaker 1: to do that for weeks and weeks, if not months now.
Speaker 1: Clay what made him a great all around layer or
Speaker 1: two other fast to his game. One he was able
Speaker 1: to use the threat of the three point shot to
Speaker 1: ball fake, get to the basket, pull up from mid range.
Speaker 1: Does he have that same spring on that move to
Speaker 1: the basket. That's the first one. And defensively, Clay was
Speaker 1: a high level defensive guy, you know for most of
Speaker 1: his years and the Warriors I think right now top
Speaker 1: two in the NBA and defensive efficiency. Is he that
Speaker 1: same type of guy If he's again of what he
Speaker 1: once was, I mean, they're basically getting back an All
Speaker 1: Star ish level player. If he's lost a little bit
Speaker 1: and can't get that back, at least not this season,
Speaker 1: that's something Golden State will have to adjust to. I'm
Speaker 1: federally mandated to ask you about Lebron James and the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Lebron's been playing great, but I don't think he can
Speaker 1: play great enough though your assessment of the Lakers now
Speaker 1: we're into January, it's you're hard pressed to find or
Speaker 1: to look for a pathway that sees them making a
Speaker 1: deep run in the playoffs right now. You know, the
Speaker 1: Lakers are active out there on the trademark, and I
Speaker 1: had one GM say to me two nights ago, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, why do we keep hearing about the type
Speaker 1: of players the Lakers can acquire for this Taylor Horton, Tucker,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Nunn first round draft pick, kind of poo poo
Speaker 1: platter that is being sort of floated out there as
Speaker 1: as a possibility. Yeah, Horton Tucker is an appealing prospect,
Speaker 1: But if you're looking at some of the top names
Speaker 1: that are out there, whether it's Jeremy Grant in Detroit,
Speaker 1: maybe Christian Wood down at Houston, those teams are gonna
Speaker 1: have better offers for the Lakers. I think for LA,
Speaker 1: their only hope for I guess salvation this season is
Speaker 1: if Anthony Davis comes off this injury and gets back
Speaker 1: to looking like the bubble Anthony Davis. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: that player dan in you know, over a year now.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was pretty good last year and You
Speaker 1: could certainly make the argument that if he doesn't get
Speaker 1: hurt in the first round, Lakers are in the finals
Speaker 1: last season, but he has not been the same player
Speaker 1: this year. His perimeter shooting has fallen off a cliff. Look,
Speaker 1: he's got to be there full time five, and he
Speaker 1: has got to be a highly effective full time five.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Jordan really doesn't have a lot left. Dwight Howard
Speaker 1: really doesn't have a lot left. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: we're kind of getting excited about this Lebron James as
Speaker 1: a five kind of option, but that's not gonna work
Speaker 1: long term, especially now when you go up against bigger
Speaker 1: teams in the postseason, the Lakers. Whenever Anthony Davis comes back,
Speaker 1: he has got to be a top five player in
Speaker 1: the NBA, and I'm not sure based on what I've
Speaker 1: seen this season that he has that in it. Great
Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Chris, Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: NFL on social media. Got an issue with what Hub
Speaker 1: Arkish said publicly about Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I do, Dan,
Speaker 1: and I know Hub. I've done some games on Westwood
Speaker 1: One with him. First of all, there should be no
Speaker 1: bias when you are making any of these votes. But
Speaker 1: let's be honest. There always is. That's like the first
Speaker 1: thing I learned in college is that whether it's conscious
Speaker 1: or subconscious, everybody has an inherent bias. I mean, hub
Speaker 1: Arkish just kind of said the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact certain guys that don't vote
Speaker 1: for guys for the Hall of Fame the first year
Speaker 1: because they don't like them because they were jerks, and
Speaker 1: they don't want them to get in on the first ballot.
Speaker 1: They don't want them to get in at all. So
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff happens a lot more than any
Speaker 1: of us realize. And I'm not going to get all
Speaker 1: up in arms about hub Arkish because, to be honest, Dan,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, he really just said what's already been
Speaker 1: going on. It already happens for years. But has Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers been detrimental to his team in any way? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he missed a game. He missed a game,
Speaker 1: and it could have been a very costly game, a
Speaker 1: very important game. They probably win that game in Kansas
Speaker 1: City against the Chiefs if Aaron Rodgers plays, I personally
Speaker 1: think that is one knock against him for the MVP.
Speaker 1: I hear a lot people say, well that Chiefs game
Speaker 1: proved how valuable he was. That Chiefs game proved that
Speaker 1: he's the MVP. Wait a minute, wait, I don't think
Speaker 1: it should help you or your case for the MVP
Speaker 1: if you miss one. There's only seventeen of them and
Speaker 1: you miss one. Thing about what that would have meant
Speaker 1: for a baseball player, a basketball player, and how your
Speaker 1: backup does when you don't play should not have an
Speaker 1: impact on MVP. Look, I'm pretty confident Dan, if Brady
Speaker 1: didn't play, that playing gap would stink up the joint?
Speaker 1: Is that what we need? Do we need Brady sit
Speaker 1: out a game and have Gabrit go out there and
Speaker 1: play bad to see how valuable Brady is. I think
Speaker 1: it's funny. Look, I think Aaron Rodgers has a great
Speaker 1: argument for being MVP. He probably is. I don't blame
Speaker 1: anybody of the votes for him. But Brady has more touchdowns,
Speaker 1: more completions, more yards. They've got one less win. He's
Speaker 1: had guys banged up too, He's had guys get hurt
Speaker 1: and not play. I just think it's funny. What happened
Speaker 1: is Brady got shut out by the Saints. Rogers hasn't
Speaker 1: had any bad games down the stretch. You know, these
Speaker 1: awards turn into like what happens the last four weeks
Speaker 1: when I'm actually paying attention, Oh, Brady got shot by
Speaker 1: It's like when he got shut out by the Saint Stand.
Speaker 1: It's like they turned the light off on the Brady MVP.
Speaker 1: Can't like just he's done. Shut it off over, Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the Jonathan Taylor well put. I was
Speaker 1: also wondering about this. That feels like, once again, this
Speaker 1: is fluid. It's like week to week. Aaron Rodgers might
Speaker 1: realize how good he has it in Green Bay because
Speaker 1: he might not like the front office. But the front
Speaker 1: office is very good at drafting players. They may not
Speaker 1: have drafted the right player with Jordan Love, but you
Speaker 1: play the Bears, the Lions, and the Vikings, you have
Speaker 1: six games against them. Why would you want to leave that?
Speaker 1: Like you want to go to Denver? Whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to. Green Bay still has offensive line,
Speaker 1: the defense is you know, one of the top five.
Speaker 1: You're getting star players back. You got Davante Adams there.
Speaker 1: What is it that he's going to that's going to
Speaker 1: be so much better than Green Bay? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of things have happened and will happen over
Speaker 1: the next few weeks. That will affect his mindset there.
Speaker 1: I think the Roethlisberger send off had an impact on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, how could it not, right. I think that
Speaker 1: is something that he will factor in. I think the
Speaker 1: fact that its meaning, the meaning, the embracement of the fans,
Speaker 1: and that cal Ripken Victory lap is that that's what
Speaker 1: you mean, it'll have an impact on Rogers. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think it would be. It would be a
Speaker 1: little bit unnatural to look at that and not think
Speaker 1: I would want that, Like, I mean, I was obviously
Speaker 1: a seven year journeyman. Oh lineman, so but I watched
Speaker 1: that and been like, man, that must be awesome, Like
Speaker 1: that must be really really cool, and you know, if
Speaker 1: you leave to go to another team, you never really
Speaker 1: get that. I do think he realizes how good the
Speaker 1: team is in Green Bay. It does appear as if,
Speaker 1: you know, he just wanted to say, he just wanted
Speaker 1: to say, and when they went out and got Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb and some other things they've done there, they've given
Speaker 1: him that say, so he's kind of got what he
Speaker 1: wanted that said. Then if they lose in the playoffs, again,
Speaker 1: and it's a special teams issue or defense, maybe he'll
Speaker 1: still want to leave. What I find interesting is the
Speaker 1: Jordan Love component of it, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: always thought that this would be the offseason that the
Speaker 1: Packers trade Aaron Rodgers. But if you win the MVP
Speaker 1: again or maybe they win the Super Bowl, they can't
Speaker 1: trade him. I mean, they're not gonna want to trade him.
Speaker 1: It might be time for Jordan Love to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown situation, I said, you know what, everybody got
Speaker 1: what they deserved here that they did win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You were playing with fire. He's burnt down buildings and
Speaker 1: three other stops here and he's doing the same thing
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay. Now, I have to look at both sides.
Speaker 1: As much as I love Bruce arians I think Bruce's
Speaker 1: being disingenuous when he says he didn't know about Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown's ankle injury. The guy was limited in practice, didn't
Speaker 1: practice a couple of days, he was questionable for the game,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he checked out of that game.
Speaker 1: There was a moment where I thought Brady walking down
Speaker 1: the bench and you could see where Antonio Brown had
Speaker 1: his arms up on the bench and it looked like
Speaker 1: he had basically checked out of the game before he
Speaker 1: kind of lit the fuse here. So I don't know
Speaker 1: how this plays out. He said that he was told that,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you got to get shot up with
Speaker 1: a dangerous drug here. I don't think you spend a
Speaker 1: decade in the NFL and you don't know about torridall.
Speaker 1: But is Antonio Do you think he has a case
Speaker 1: here against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that he can get paid,
Speaker 1: get released, and maybe play with somebody else. Well, that's
Speaker 1: certainly what he's trying to do. I got a bunch
Speaker 1: of thoughts on this. Then, you know, first of all,
Speaker 1: one of his main problems is Antonio Brown has lost
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. Yeah right, I mean, there
Speaker 1: have been so many things over the last three years
Speaker 1: that even with these text messages he's sending out, even
Speaker 1: if he's one hundred percent right in this situation, I
Speaker 1: think he'll have a tough time in the court of
Speaker 1: public opinion because of a couple of different things. Number One,
Speaker 1: everything's tapping up until this point. But also, Dan, I've
Speaker 1: seen guys with bad ankles. I've seen guys with ankle
Speaker 1: sprains whatever. They're not exiting like he exited that game.
Speaker 1: They're not jumping up and down in the end zone
Speaker 1: like like if you have an ankle injury, that ankle's
Speaker 1: bothering you and you're limping on it. He didn't show
Speaker 1: any limp or anything in the end zone, which I
Speaker 1: think also hurts his cause. And here's the last name,
Speaker 1: which I think is the most important. I played for
Speaker 1: five teams. Dan. There are some guys who don't play
Speaker 1: or try not to play because of injury, but it's
Speaker 1: really more mental than physical, if that makes sense. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they have an injury, but what's preventing them from actually
Speaker 1: going out there is what they're thinking in their head
Speaker 1: about the injury as opposed to the physical malady itself.
Speaker 1: I had a guy one time. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: embarrass him, but this guy was a high pick. He
Speaker 1: would do whatever it took to try to not play
Speaker 1: in the game. I mean there were times where I
Speaker 1: can remember the head coach flipping out on the orthopedic
Speaker 1: surgeon because all of a sudden the guy didn't wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna play that day and he was supposed to be
Speaker 1: practiced that week. I remember one time we were playing it.
Speaker 1: We're playing in San Francisco and they did fireworks before
Speaker 1: the game and we're all standing there and then it's foggy.
Speaker 1: It was Candlestick. There's a little bit of fog there.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we're about to go out there
Speaker 1: Dan for the first series and the same guy is like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: my eyes, the fireworks got in my eyes. Like I
Speaker 1: can't play. I'm not I swear to God. And the
Speaker 1: trainers gave mishelmet, they lift, they helped him off the
Speaker 1: bench and they're like, you're fine, go out there. You're fine,
Speaker 1: Like they like pushed him out there, like he did
Speaker 1: not want to. I mean, we were all we were laughing,
Speaker 1: but that that was him. So I think how we
Speaker 1: can balance Aran side and Antonio brown Side is that
Speaker 1: he did have an ankle issue. By the way, everybody
Speaker 1: playing at this point in the season has an issue.
Speaker 1: Everybody has at least one thing bothering them. I can
Speaker 1: assure you otherwise, what have you been doing the whole time?
Speaker 1: And I think arians thought it was Antonio brown mentally
Speaker 1: not going back out there as opposed to because of
Speaker 1: the ankle. And I think with Antonio Brown's history. I
Speaker 1: can totally understand why arians felt that way. Talking to
Speaker 1: Ross Tucker, the host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast,
Speaker 1: he is going to take part in the National championship
Speaker 1: game between Montana State and North Dakota State. I love
Speaker 1: that and that will be noon on Saturday on Westwood One.
Speaker 1: He's got the Chargers Raiders game on Sunday night, also
Speaker 1: on Westwood One. Paulie, how many times did Ron Stucker
Speaker 1: play in San Francisco? Well, you'd think a lot with
Speaker 1: the long career. I got you his one road game
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, Ross in two thousand and four with
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. I was on the team for Washington
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two when we played out there
Speaker 1: as well, But I don't think I think that was
Speaker 1: the first game of my career. I was inactive. However,
Speaker 1: you don't know whether or not that was the firework
Speaker 1: game or not. So the okay, can we guess the
Speaker 1: player who didn't want to play because he had smoke
Speaker 1: in his eyes? Um, look, you could probably google it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if that story has
Speaker 1: ever been told, but it was. It was hilarious. Paulie,
Speaker 1: can you guess is the I team on this? The player?
Speaker 1: Is it a good player, a really good player, or
Speaker 1: a role He was a high pick? Ross said he
Speaker 1: was a high draft pick. There's names like Takeo Spikes.
Speaker 1: Don't know. It's a wide receiver. Oh a wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Is that? I didn't say it was a didn't know? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not Eric Molt. You guys are so good at this.
Speaker 1: You guys always try to get I don't look, I
Speaker 1: don't want to embarrass the guy. He hasn't played for
Speaker 1: a while. He was a nice guy. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: really into video games. I'm sure he's got a great life. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to embarrass him any further.
Speaker 1: I probably talked about him on other shows before. What
Speaker 1: what has what does playing video games have to do
Speaker 1: with this? He's a good guy, plays video games. Um,
Speaker 1: he was more in tense about playing video games in
Speaker 1: the players lounge that he was on the field. And
Speaker 1: that is a fact. Okay, he got more animated playing
Speaker 1: Halo in the players lounge than he ever did on
Speaker 1: the field. Ever. Oh that's so good. I like how
Speaker 1: you don't want to embarrass the guy talk about him,
Speaker 1: but now you keep adding more layers to this, Paulie.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Lee Evans, was it. I'm not saying. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying. I'm not saying because it just by the way,
Speaker 1: it's better. It's like the whole Franco Harris immaculate reception. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not quite the same, Not not quite. But it'll make
Speaker 1: the story go on longer, and you guys will spend
Speaker 1: more time trying to figure out who it is if
Speaker 1: I don't tell you who it is, all right, Charger's
Speaker 1: Raiders final game of the regular season, and that will
Speaker 1: come down to what in this game. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it'll come down to the last drive. And I gotta
Speaker 1: be honestly, I kind of give the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubt there to the Raiders. Yeah, the Raiders have one.
Speaker 1: I gotta check my notes. They've won two or three
Speaker 1: overtime games this year. Derek Carr has been very clutch
Speaker 1: in those moments late in games. We saw that again
Speaker 1: against the Colts on Sunday. Herbert has had an unbelievable year,
Speaker 1: you know, setting franchise records with touchdown passes. But I
Speaker 1: guess I kind of feel like, even though Herbert's more talented,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like Derek Carr is more clutch,
Speaker 1: or least he has been this year. If it comes
Speaker 1: down to a you know, whoever has the ball lasts,
Speaker 1: I think it will. I think the Raiders. I'm actually
Speaker 1: surprised that they are underdogs at home in this game.
Speaker 1: You've been on the Derek Carr bandwagon though for a while.
Speaker 1: Haven't you so impressed by him this year? You know,
Speaker 1: not only Dan, the way he's kept that team afloat
Speaker 1: after the Grooden thing and the Henry Ruggs thing and
Speaker 1: are Net. You know, this team could have collapsed so
Speaker 1: many times and it felt like Derek Carr has willed
Speaker 1: them to this point. But if you remember after the
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs terrible, terrible accident. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys talked about it, but to hear Derek Carr say,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna love Henry Ruggs right now because
Speaker 1: somebody needs to after he obviously did a horrible hard
Speaker 1: I'm just really impressed by Derek Carr as a human being.
Speaker 1: I never even met him. I saw him before the
Speaker 1: Cowboys game. I didn't say anything to him. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever even met him. I'm very impressed from
Speaker 1: Afar by the way he carries himself. Yeah, but what
Speaker 1: is it? What's he missing that he kind of gets
Speaker 1: lumped in the Kirk Cousins category. Yeah, it's funny because
Speaker 1: I think he's a top ten quarterback. I think he's
Speaker 1: eight nine or ten. I think when you are a
Speaker 1: guy that number one doesn't have any wow physical traits.
Speaker 1: So it's not Josh Allen or Herbert's arm or Stafford's arm.
Speaker 1: There's that many wow physical traits and has not had
Speaker 1: postseason success. That is the double whammy that when you
Speaker 1: have those two things that you're always going to have
Speaker 1: your group of people that say he sucks. Man like
Speaker 1: Kirk causeses, he sucks. Derek Carr, he sucks. Unless you
Speaker 1: do things that wow them or you have playoff success,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be Now. Listen, there's twenty teams in the
Speaker 1: NFL that would take Derek car as their quarterback. There's
Speaker 1: fifteen that would take Kirk Cousins. But yet those guys
Speaker 1: still get a lot of the ire from fans because
Speaker 1: of exactly what I just mentioned. Great to talk to you,
Speaker 1: safe travels, Ross as always, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: Oh my eyes. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick
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Speaker 1: you're sure you want to be part of this, Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it. I like listening to it, and it's
Speaker 1: all accurate. And you know what I think I heard
Speaker 1: that Hubbarkish isn't voting for Edon Rodgers FRIM VP because
Speaker 1: he can't get the Roger. Oh, he can't get the Rodgers. No,
Speaker 1: you get the Rogers. Wrath is what you get. And
Speaker 1: you've and you've felt that before with Aaron Rodgers, not
Speaker 1: like hub Arkish did yesterday. It's always nice when it
Speaker 1: happens to someone other than you. What did you think of? What? Okay,
Speaker 1: what did you have a problem with with hub Arkish? Well,
Speaker 1: I have a problem with completely twisted and warped reasoning
Speaker 1: for not voting for Aaron Rodgers for MVP. It's about
Speaker 1: what you do on the field from week one to
Speaker 1: week eighteen, not what you did in the offseason, not
Speaker 1: what you said in the preseason, not whether or not
Speaker 1: you were vaccinated, not whether or not you lied about
Speaker 1: being vaccinated. And I said at the time that he
Speaker 1: missed that key game against the Chiefs and they lost.
Speaker 1: If this costs them the number one seed in the NFC,
Speaker 1: it will cost him the MVP. If the Bucks are
Speaker 1: the one seed, Tom Brady's going to be the MVP.
Speaker 1: But the Packers nailed down the one seed. Rogers numbers
Speaker 1: were phenomenal. There's no way he's not the MVP, and
Speaker 1: with holding the vote for any other reason is wrong
Speaker 1: and hub Arcis shouldn't have one of the votes. I've
Speaker 1: asked the AP is he's still going to have one
Speaker 1: of the votes because they haven't cast a ballot yet,
Speaker 1: they should strip it away from him. And all he's
Speaker 1: apologized for dan is saying it out loud. He hasn't
Speaker 1: apologized for having improper motivation. So he was flat out wrong.
Speaker 1: And it was refreshing to see so many people set
Speaker 1: aside whatever concerns they may have about Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: point out that Hubbarkish was wrong to believe what he
Speaker 1: believes as he plans to cast his ballot. It's been
Speaker 1: an interesting season for Aaron Rodgers because there seems in
Speaker 1: the offseason it feels like there's been this roller coaster
Speaker 1: ride of Hey, we support him, we don't support him,
Speaker 1: he lied to is deceived us man, he's playing great too,
Speaker 1: you know, the Packers are screwing him up. Whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's just been this unbelievable ride. But
Speaker 1: I come back to the same bottom line. Mike if
Speaker 1: you play in that division, you have Davante Adams and
Speaker 1: you have an organization that is a really good organization
Speaker 1: with draft picks except for Jordan Love. Why would you leave?
Speaker 1: Why would Aaron Rodgers leave? You're absolutely right, And that's
Speaker 1: something Sims and I have been kicking around on PFT
Speaker 1: Live in the mornings, the idea that he runs that division.
Speaker 1: It's the worst division in football. But for the presence
Speaker 1: of the Packers. Where do you go? Where else do
Speaker 1: you go in the NFL? Where you slip right in
Speaker 1: and you have a great team around you that can dominate,
Speaker 1: you know, the Broncos of the team he's been linked to. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: have fun with the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, have fun
Speaker 1: with the Chargers and Justin Herbert, have fun in the AFC,
Speaker 1: which has plenty of other great teams. You are in
Speaker 1: a great spot to keep winning with Tom Brady was
Speaker 1: an obrain and the Patriot's talent was declining. He had
Speaker 1: a perfect opportunity in Tampa Bay where they had a
Speaker 1: good team. All they needed was a quarterback and it
Speaker 1: worked out. So I think Rogers should stay where he is,
Speaker 1: and Frankly, Dan, I think that from Roger's perspective, it
Speaker 1: all comes down to the next move the Packers make fun. Actually,
Speaker 1: do they come to him and say, you know, we're
Speaker 1: paying you thirty three and a half million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: That's the same Jared Goff is making. We know what
Speaker 1: the market is. You don't even need to ask for
Speaker 1: a raise. They should come to him and put him
Speaker 1: somewhere between forty and forty five million a year with
Speaker 1: a full guarantee for two or three years invalidate the
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. Pick a trade Jordan Love, or keep until
Speaker 1: the end of his contract. Either way, Rogers is your guy.
Speaker 1: That's what the Packers need to do next. And I
Speaker 1: think if they do that, I think Rogers would be
Speaker 1: very inclined to stay. There's a report that just came
Speaker 1: out Seaton. Do you have that from Mary Kay Cabot,
Speaker 1: who covers the Cleveland Browns Cleveland Plain Dealer, has to
Speaker 1: do with Baker Mayfield. Do you have the exact language
Speaker 1: on that, Seaton? You know, I don't have the exact
Speaker 1: language in front of me, but you basically said that
Speaker 1: unless there were reassurance is given to him for next season,
Speaker 1: that he would ask to be traded trade him, trade him,
Speaker 1: bye bye. That's it. I got no problem with it,
Speaker 1: And I had a feeling it was going this way.
Speaker 1: They need to do soul searching about who their quarterback is.
Speaker 1: And part of the other equation is he may one out.
Speaker 1: And I've had a feeling all along it was going
Speaker 1: to come to this. So no, Baker, you haven't been
Speaker 1: good enough to make demands. Tom Brady can make demands.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers can make demands. Russell Wilson can make demands. Baker,
Speaker 1: you haven't done enough to make demands. If this is
Speaker 1: the way it's going to be, they're better off moving
Speaker 1: on from it. And you start to look at you know,
Speaker 1: when you have these musical chairs with these quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the off season. Let's say Rogers stays, so Denver's in
Speaker 1: the market, Cleveland to be in the market. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the Dolphins are still in the market. I
Speaker 1: guess they will be. You can throw Carolina in there.
Speaker 1: There's a Washington football team. There's only so many quality
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who are going to be available. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if any of these draft picks are a draft
Speaker 1: me now when I play right away, how do you
Speaker 1: see this scenario playing out in the off season. Well,
Speaker 1: the first step is what happens with the coaches, because
Speaker 1: I think that has a huge influence on decisions that
Speaker 1: are made about quarterbacks and quarterbacks making decisions about where
Speaker 1: they want to go. Starting with Russell Wilson, if Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll stays as the head coach of the Seahawks, he's
Speaker 1: more likely to want to move on. If they move
Speaker 1: on from Carroll and they hire a guy that Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson looks at and says, well, this guy's going to
Speaker 1: rejuvenate in my career and help me get to the
Speaker 1: three super Bowls that he openly said last week he
Speaker 1: aspires to win. I mean, unless he's going to play
Speaker 1: until he's eighty, he better find himself in a spot
Speaker 1: where he's more likely to win super Bowls sooner rather
Speaker 1: than later. So the coaching carousel is going to drive it.
Speaker 1: And you know we're seeing this every year now, Dan,
Speaker 1: I think because teams have become willing to let the
Speaker 1: bird in the hand go the quarterback who's just good enough. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's fine, we have a guy who's just good enough,
Speaker 1: but we can do better, and we're gonna try to
Speaker 1: do better, and you see a greater willingness from teams
Speaker 1: to say we're willing to part with the guy we
Speaker 1: have in the hopes of finding someone better. The Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers will the epitome of that right now. They desperately
Speaker 1: want a franchise quarter back. They threw out Teddy Bridgewater,
Speaker 1: They're gonna throw out Sam Donald, They're gonna throw out
Speaker 1: Cam Newton and then keep looking for better. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of teams feel that way. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just wonder if you could see a scenario where Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson leaves goes to Cleveland. Yes, absolutely, because absolutely, And
Speaker 1: I think they have a style that is reminiscent of
Speaker 1: what Russ had when they had the Legion of Boom,
Speaker 1: where you had a good running game, but you could
Speaker 1: let him cook. Now, as we like to say, maybe
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield ends up in New Orleans. Chris Simms brought
Speaker 1: that up the other day, you know, Deshaun Watson, Denver, Miami, Carolina.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but you know it feels like that,
Speaker 1: you know, when you start to look at somebody's going
Speaker 1: to get left out and and it you know, is
Speaker 1: it Denver? Do I want to go into the AFC West.
Speaker 1: Uh you know what I as we just you know,
Speaker 1: pointed out Carolina. Are they going to get it right
Speaker 1: this time? Dude? The Dolphins upgrade from to have they
Speaker 1: seen enough of to A good or bad? So? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's always fascinating, you know, the reality show
Speaker 1: that is the NFL. I think I got to move
Speaker 1: on from TOA. And I know that we're very careful
Speaker 1: about activating two and on. They are very loud, they're
Speaker 1: very vocal, and they're very loyal. But just watch some
Speaker 1: of the lowlights from the week seventeen game against the Titans,
Speaker 1: including the brucie from the longest yard moment where his
Speaker 1: arm goes this way, the ball goes that way. He's
Speaker 1: good enough. That's the thing. Are you tolerating good enough?
Speaker 1: Or do you want great? And it's clear that Stephen Ross,
Speaker 1: the owner of the team, wants great and they've seen
Speaker 1: enough from TA to come to that conclusion. Dan, one
Speaker 1: team you didn't mention that I think is going to
Speaker 1: be fascinating. When it comes to these dynamics of offseason quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: the Steelers, what are they going to do because it
Speaker 1: can't be Mason Rudolph and Dwayne Haskins is buried on
Speaker 1: the depth chart. He hasn't done enough to supplant Mason Rudolf.
Speaker 1: So it tells me they're going to be looking somewhere
Speaker 1: for someone to step in. And that's an attractive landing
Speaker 1: spot for an established veteran quarterback because they got the defense,
Speaker 1: they got the coaching. Remember the googly eyes between Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Mike tom when they played. You know, if
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is looking for green or grass. Not that
Speaker 1: it's very green in Pittsburgh this time of year, but boy,
Speaker 1: that's a spot where he should at least be wondering.
Speaker 1: How would it go for me if I could land there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater probably end up there. Was treated as breaking
Speaker 1: news yesterday and a w FAA in Dallas. You know
Speaker 1: that now we have another site in case the super
Speaker 1: Bowl can't be played in Los Angeles? And I thought,
Speaker 1: is this breaking news? Are they saying the Super Bowls
Speaker 1: not in Los Angeles? This is standard procedure, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Mike Well, I think the trigger was the postponement of
Speaker 1: the Grammys on January thirty one in LA. That's what
Speaker 1: got people started to connect dots and say what are
Speaker 1: the contingent season? Since then, someone from the La County
Speaker 1: governmental structures come out and said the super Bowl is
Speaker 1: happening here. So you know, there's a thought that this
Speaker 1: is all going to peek and begin to subside. Not
Speaker 1: that anybody cares. That's the other side. If anybody cared,
Speaker 1: it would be different. We're at the point where we're
Speaker 1: pasted it or over. Whether that's right or wrong, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. That's where we are. I'd be stunned at
Speaker 1: this point if the super Bowl gets moved, and if
Speaker 1: it does, it's not something they can wait until a
Speaker 1: week before the game. It's a fairly urgent the situation,
Speaker 1: especially for the folks at NBC who are broadcasting the games.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, where is our operation going to be?
Speaker 1: Is it going to be in California's going to be
Speaker 1: in Texas or somewhere else? Okay? Is there anything that
Speaker 1: could happen where we would need contingency plans that the
Speaker 1: super Bowl would move to Dallas unless that there's some
Speaker 1: new variant that is even more transmissible but far more
Speaker 1: problematic from the symptoms it causes and the serious illnesses
Speaker 1: it creates. It would take something like that, but we're
Speaker 1: talking about five weeks away. I think that the current
Speaker 1: belief is the omicron variant is going to begin to
Speaker 1: dip and the clouds are going to part at least
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and we'll be able to get
Speaker 1: this done. But but who knows. But they do. But Dan,
Speaker 1: you're right, they have contensity plans every year just in
Speaker 1: case something would come up that would keep a game
Speaker 1: from moving forward. If you were Antonio Brown's agent and
Speaker 1: you being a lawyer, so let's factor that in as well,
Speaker 1: what would be your course of action? Well, my first
Speaker 1: guy would be to fire Antonio Brown, frankly, because he's
Speaker 1: clearly not following the advice that they're giving him. Because
Speaker 1: I'm sure they said to him, stay off social media.
Speaker 1: Let's let's have no outbursts, Let's lay low here and
Speaker 1: see how this plays out. Look, Dan, I can't figure
Speaker 1: this out for the life for me, because if the
Speaker 1: story from Antonio Brown's camp is his ankle is sufficiently
Speaker 1: injured that he needs surgery and he's done for the season,
Speaker 1: why won't the Buccaneers just release him? And why is
Speaker 1: Brown's camp complaining about And the hashtag is cut and caged.
Speaker 1: They're cutting him, but they haven't cut him. They're keeping
Speaker 1: in a cage. Well, it's not like I can go
Speaker 1: anywhere else in play because he's got an ankle injury
Speaker 1: that needs surgery that knocks him out for the season.
Speaker 1: I think the Buccaneers haven't released him because there's that
Speaker 1: sliver of fear that somebody's gonna have to explain to
Speaker 1: Tom Brady why it was that Antonio Brown had ten
Speaker 1: catches for one hundred and fifty two yards and two
Speaker 1: touchdowns in the game that knocked the Buccaneers out of
Speaker 1: the playoffs up to an including super Bowl fifty six,
Speaker 1: if he would land with the Chiefs, which I think
Speaker 1: would be the first team I would watch as a
Speaker 1: potential destination. So that's where the logic falls apart. If
Speaker 1: he can't play due to the ankle, why would the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers just cut him. We're at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: It just cut him, cut him, and if wherever he lands,
Speaker 1: he lands, especially if he can't play. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what to believe. I think everyone's at the fault.
Speaker 1: I think it's a huge mess. It's great for business,
Speaker 1: but it's not great for the Buccaneers or for Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want to have anything to do with
Speaker 1: it as an agent, as a lawyer, as anyone. It's
Speaker 1: too big of a mess. Right now, let me leave
Speaker 1: you with this, And this is a curveball. Why isn't
Speaker 1: Dan Reeves in the Pro Football Hall of Fame? Well,
Speaker 1: he will be, and I'll tell you. I'll tell you why. Now.
Speaker 1: In the past, there was too much competition with players
Speaker 1: for coaches to get in as frequently as they should
Speaker 1: get in. They've created this separate track now that makes
Speaker 1: it easier for coaches to get in. And we're going
Speaker 1: to see the backlog of coaches who should have gotten in,
Speaker 1: starting with Tom Flores most recently, guys who will get
Speaker 1: in who should have been in all along. And you're
Speaker 1: going to clear out that backlog of coaches who should
Speaker 1: have been in. But I think the problem is and
Speaker 1: it makes it remarkable when a guy like Tony Dungee
Speaker 1: does it, when you emerge as one of the finalists
Speaker 1: and one of the ultimate recipients of the Bronze Bust.
Speaker 1: When you're competing with quarterbacks, running backs, lineman players, it's
Speaker 1: harder to compete with players they've made it easier, so
Speaker 1: Reeves will get in. Yeah. I look at the resume
Speaker 1: as a player, as an assistant coach, as a head coach,
Speaker 1: and yes he did lose those Super Bowls, but man,
Speaker 1: I think Tom Brady is the only guy who's been
Speaker 1: to more Super Bowls than Dan Reeves, if that sounds right.
Speaker 1: And the challenge is how do you category rise Dan
Speaker 1: Reeves because they always like to have a category, and
Speaker 1: sometimes the things you do beyond that category help you
Speaker 1: get in. It helped John Madden get in, It helped
Speaker 1: Dick lebau get in his time as a coach, helped
Speaker 1: him get in as a player. But I don't like
Speaker 1: the categorization. It should be your full contribution to football,
Speaker 1: and Dan Reeves did more than enough that he should
Speaker 1: get in, and he will get in. He will get
Speaker 1: in because of the way they've tweaked the rules. Within
Speaker 1: the next I don't know, three, four or five years,
Speaker 1: he'll be in. Good. Great to talk to you again, Mike,
Speaker 1: Thank you all right. Dan. Next Mike Florial, Pro Football
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