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Now, 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.120 welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:23.440 Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:28.920 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Charles, Charles in charge. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.479 Bryant Man. We might need to take this one over again, Chuck. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.120 I don't think I've ever laughed like that in my 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.120 entire life. Yeah, and you can't link me to Scott 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:44.800 bay Oh god, oh that's true. That's true. Well because 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.720 of his acting or I don't like him in real life. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.000 I'm just kidding. I know he was great as Bob 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:57.280 blab blaw. That's true. I'll give him that. Okay. Uh, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.440 that's the common ground we can all reach on Scott 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:04.760 bay blah blah blah. So this is Stuff you should Know. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:09.080 The podcast not about Scott Bayo, but about something that 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.960 I would wager there's about a nineties six percent chance 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.360 that Scott Bayo has used, uh that's right, cell phones. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.200 But before we talk about cell phones, we do want 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:27.760 to address a GE's a controversy. I hope not. Uh, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.480 you know, we got a book coming out this fall, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.680 The Stuff you should know. Uh, Colon, not the stuff 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.840 you should know. I always get this wrong. What's my problem? 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:42.240 The rock stuff you should know? Colon a a great 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.000 book about lots of great stuff. It's it's called and 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.040 you came up with the title for Pete's sake. I know, 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.360 I always get confused when I'm in the moment. 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Yeah, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.440 it's weird, it's different, but we're trying to but we 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.320 don't want to dissuade people outside the US from preordering, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.520 because pre orders are very meaningful to booksellers. And book buyers, 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.360 and it means, it means a lot to us. So 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.920 but at the same time, Chuck, we just laid it 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.960 on the line to not cheat people out of something 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:49.720 they thought they were going to get. So I feel 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.560 like we're stand up guys here. We're doing our best, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.400 so we'll try to do what we can. But in 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.520 the meantime, yeah, I mean, you're still going to get 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.560 the book even if you don't get the poster, how 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.760 about that. Yeah, and the book is really kind of 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.680 the good part. Sure the poster is cool too, but 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.720 the book is really what's going to knock your socks 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.280 right off your feet, that's right. And one day you 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.400 will even be able to read this book on your 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:18.120 mobile phone. Segue complete colon, I mean period period. So, um, 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.200 we are talking mobile phones and this is like such 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:26.520 an enormous behemoth of information. We just first of all, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.360 have to say hats off a million times to our 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.640 buddy Dave Rouse who managed to like whittle this down 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.520 into a manageable shape and still a pretty comprehensive shape 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.360 if you ask me. Yeah, I agree. Um. And he 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.560 starts off with stats, which is one of my favorite 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:46.040 things because I always wonder like, how many people have 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.840 smartphones and cell phones at this point? And of Americans 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.320 have cell phones in this day and age. I imagine 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.680 adults is and a lot of kids. But I would 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:01.080 assume this is an adult average, I would think for everybody, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:05.239 because kids have their own phones these days. Two it's nuts. Yeah, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.000 But I don't think they would factor in like three 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.400 year olds, would they? If the three year old has 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.360 a phone, why would you leave the three year old out? 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.400 You know, I'll tell you what. I got a five 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.040 year old and she can certainly use it. Yeah. Yeah, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.039 But I mean there's that whole screen time thing too 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.760 that you've got to be concerned about. Two right, Yeah, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.919 not really, I mean not all day long or anything. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.440 But we grew up on screens here, were just creditor, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.360 that's true. Let me ask you this though, Um, so, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:36.240 is is she generation Z? Or is she something brand new? Oh? 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.400 I don't even know. Huh, Well, I don't know what 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.760 gen Z is. I guess is that behind right behind millennials? No, 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.440 I don't think she would be then. I don't even 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.960 know how that stuff works. It's all fake. Well we'll 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.560 find out and report back sometime. So so one thing 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.200 I want to. I want to throw in there though, 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.680 Chuck is uh and by the way, generations are not fake. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.400 We did an episode on it. Yeah, it was a 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.839 good one too, um, and I think we conclusively established 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:07.400 that they are real. Um. But the the worldwide cell 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:14.039 phone ownership is something like sixty one point seven yeah. Yeah, 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.200 and that's just that's cell phones, though like smartphones, it's 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.840 it's less, but it's just a little less, especially considering 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.000 that smartphones have only been around a relatively short time 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.760 compared to cell phones, which, by the way, as we'll see, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:32.080 have been around since the seventies. Yeah, I think it's smartphones. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.160 And nineteen was about in the US, up from thirty 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:41.560 five uh seven, eight years previous to that. And I 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.359 think it's about forty worldwide. So a lot of people 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.560 have a phone, I think is the overall point. We're 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.480 trying to drive home here. Yeah, and we'll get into 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.039 phone addiction late in the episode. But I did see 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.839 stats that people look at their phone and check it 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.719 eighty times a day and uh touch it or I'm sorry, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.680 um yeah, touch it times a day, And the math 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.359 there works out to about thirty five touches per check, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.360 which seems about right, Okay, that makes sense. I didn't. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.240 I thought touch was like when you reach for it 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.040 and touch it. So this this is like people did 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.120 that times a day. Yeah, but then they only actually 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.680 interacted with the thirty five of those times. That's what 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.800 I thought. Now I think it's eighty times you'll pick 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.480 it up and touch it thirty five different ways, which 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.559 is I'll never mind. I'm not gonna make that joke. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:38.000 But but it's like Kama Sutra esque. Well that's where 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.760 I was headed. It wasn't really way to put it. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.560 Did I really read your mind? Well? It was sexy 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.760 in nature? Sure? Okay, sure? Well if I if I 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.960 can't read your sexiness on your mind, I don't know 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.320 what I can read about you. You know, and you're 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.400 just in one ear hole, that's true. Same same to you, buddy, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.680 left mind your left or your right. I have an 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.600 earbud in my left ear, and we don't even look 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.320 at each other when we do these. You're on my 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:06.280 left right now too? You know that? Love? Yeah, Kama 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.760 Sutra style. So I think we should dive into this history. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.200 I thought this. I frankly thought all of this was 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:17.280 super fascinating because I learned a lot of things. Uh, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.280 and a lot of it was just simple stuff that 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.040 you know. I never knew what G stood for her 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.880 LTE or a lot of this stuff. I just never 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.400 really even knew what it stood for. I know, it's 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.120 pretty awesome. So we can finally tell everybody the G 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.360 and all of like the cell phone and cellular technology 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.920 stands for Gary. I thought it was Grandma that's had 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.760 different research. It's Gary. So you have first Gary, second Gary, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.160 third Gary, UM, and so on all the way up 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.960 to five Gary, which we're about to really start to 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:55.959 get into. Five Gary started coronavirus. It did, how so well, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.760 that's one of the conspiracies about five G. Out of 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.080 all the wacky conspiracy is about five G is that 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.559 it started coronavirus and then was put in place to 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.120 keep people at home while they secretly go out and 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.959 install a bunch of five G things. That's how the 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.640 world works. It's all so the five Gary is it's 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.120 all five Gary's fault. So this Gary guy, we we 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.320 need to have a talk with him, especially because in 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:25.520 reality G stands for generation. Sorry Gary, but UM, which 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.319 makes a lot of sense, But a generation is not 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.800 just like UM it's often applied to specific technology like uh, 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.960 three G Celluh iPhone is the third generation iPhone, but 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.440 it was technically a second generation mobile phone, which gets 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.839 a little confusing. But when you're talking about mobile phone technology, um, 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.520 and you're talking about generations, a generation basically defines all 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:57.160 of the underlying technology from the network to the actual 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.320 devices that are designed to operate on that network. That 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.959 typically describes a generation when it comes to telecommunications technology. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:10.240 And they can come really fast, they can come achingly slow, 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.719 like the five G is right now, um, but they 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.320 do come eventually, and uh they seem to be worth 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.640 waiting around for because they have advanced us by leaps 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.640 and bounds as far as being able to sit around 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.360 and touch our phones thirty five different ways twenty undred 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.560 times a day. Goes. That's right, But we can go 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.960 back to zero G. If you want to talk about 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.080 the origin of a phone that was mobile, we have 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.560 to go back to the nineteen forties. And uh, you know, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.560 this sort of made me think of army phones and 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.960 like field phones, and I was like, what were those 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.200 things operating on? And you know the ones in the 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.520 tent that you see with the general are you know, wired, 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:57.240 but the ones out on the field worked on radio waves, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.000 and and my dad actually had a couple of those 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.200 when I was little that we used when we were camping. Really, yeah, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.360 it was neat that it was sort of a later model. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.120 It wasn't like a World War two thing that was 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.079 a big block with a hand set that you stick on. Uh. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.880 It was. It looked like a giant walkie talkie. Basically, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.840 I think I've seen what you're talking about, and I 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.000 mean that that kind of technology, it's just basically used 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.080 the same kind of radio wave that um, you would 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.920 use to broadcast like say a ham radio, except it 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.720 was a much more portable technology. And actually we use 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:36.360 that that technology, like analog radio wave technology for our 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:42.880 cell phones up until I think basically, um the two 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:47.640 thousands maybe, so this initial like we weren't logging around 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.000 these clunky radio phones. We weren't using radio phones that 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.960 are basically like many radio broadcasters. But we were using 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.160 the same form of technology, which is an analog radio wave. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.920 That was the whole thing. But what's set the radio 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.760 phone apart from what we later become a cell phone 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.719 is the kind of network that the radio phone interacted with, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.840 right Yeah, the first radio telephone network was in St. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.480 Louis in the mid nineteen fortiesh and that just had 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:19.319 one radio tower could handle about calls at once. UM. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.720 And they're, you know, they're routing this thing. Operators are 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:27.040 routing this thing to land lines basically or other radio phones. UM. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:28.920 But they were like, this has got to change, Like 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.559 there's if we want a mobile phone, we gotta be 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.440 able to call from anywhere. Uh. And then I think 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.559 Bell Labs was working on a project and a man 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.240 named d. H Ring believe it or not, wrote a 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.920 memo based on some uh I guess research by a 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.520 guy named an engineer there named William ray Young that said, Hey, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.000 what we need to do is build a network of 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:58.360 these towers, lay them out in a hexagonal pattern, and 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.120 they'll just hand off basically, you know, as you move around, 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.480 they will hand off the signal to the next tower. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.080 And that's that was the first sort of network created, right, 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.800 which which I mean that would make a mobile phone 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.559 actual mobile phone. You didn't have to basically stay in 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.760 just in proximity of that radio tower. You could move around, 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:24.280 you could actually be mobile. And that was what you say, Yeah, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.840 And I said, created I should say the idea was created, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.240 it was a long time before it was actually created. Yeah, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.400 because that memo, it was just a memo. It was 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.200 published internally only at Bell Labs. But um, it is, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.760 you know, definitively the the first idea for a cell 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.080 phone network. But it wasn't until like you said, a 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.200 little while later, until the sixties, that some more Bell 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.400 Lab engineers, a new generation of them, if you will, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.840 a new gary of Bell Lab engineers, were the feeling 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:59.000 that's gonna stick came along and they they said, hey, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.760 this is really good. Let's let's figure out how to 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.719 actually make this work. And so they took d. H. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.600 Ring and Willie ray Young's design and turned it into 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.240 the first like actual here's how you do it kind 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.360 of paper, um and research. And I couldn't see that 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.200 they coined the term, but they they seem to be 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.720 credited with, if not coining the term cellular, at least 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.160 describing something that would very soon become known as cellular, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:30.080 because it's not the phone that's cellular, is actually the network. Yeah, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.600 and here's the thing. If you want to well, actually 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.560 here's two things. At your next dinner party in two years, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.240 you can you can be this guy or that guy, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:45.480 and that's gender neutral of course. Uh, you can be 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.680 the guy that says, you know what, they call them 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.200 cellular networks because they were laid out in a grid, uh, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.120 this hexagonal grid that looked like cells in the human body. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.200 And people will say, that's so cool. I never knew that. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.400 Or you can be this guy who says, so technically, 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.920 it's a mobile phone communicating over a cellular network, not 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.920 a cellular phone. Right, don't be the second guy. Don't 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.120 be that guy. No. I mean, he's right, and he'll 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.160 probably get into heaven just for being right all the time, 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:21.320 but people won't like him here or there. You know. So, um, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.920 you've got a cellular network that's starting to be developed 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.880 in the sixties, and I guess words started to get 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:31.720 out because um, the the US, I guess the FCC 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:36.920 started working with Bell Labs, um, and they started to say, Okay, 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.040 we're gonna build this network. Everybody gets to making devices 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.760 that can work on this. But it turns out I 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.840 don't know if they were inspired by it, or if 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.440 it's just kind of like a side track, or this 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.200 is all going on at the same time, Like there 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.960 seems to be some sort of um ripple in the 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.960 zeitgeist at the time that everybody wanted to develop a 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:00.440 mobile phone network. And it wasn't Bell Labs in injunction 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.000 with the FCC that created the first one. The first 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.480 one wasn't in America. It was actually, as far as 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:10.600 anyone can tell, the first genuine mobile phone network was 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:15.880 UM in Finland, their audio radio Politan. I think I 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.480 just nailed because I made it sound like Buyork at 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.160 the end there. Yeah, they were the first ones, and uh, 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.720 you know, they have the advantage of being much smaller obviously, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.800 but that was the first nationwide mobile phone network in 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.960 nineteen nine, and by the late seventies, I think they 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.440 had everything covered with a hundred and forty stations and 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.480 uh thirty five thousand users in the mid eighties, which 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.440 is not too bad, which is it's nothing worth sneezing at, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.400 but it's still technically not a cellular network. It's a 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.720 radio phone network because they just had a bunch of 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.160 radio phone towers that were placed far enough apart that 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.920 you could kind of move around. It was not a 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.880 cellular network. So we do go back to the United 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.440 States now and find the first cellular network um developed 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.639 in the world as far as I could tell, but 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.320 astoundingly as that word got out that everybody need to 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:13.399 start developing devices that could work on cellular networks. Um, 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.359 they actually got the car ahead of the horse, and 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:21.240 the first cell phone actually debuted before the first cellular 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.760 network in the United States. Yeah, it seems like I've 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.000 never had a motorola, but it seems like they've always 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.960 kind of been on the forefront of things without a 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.280 lot of hoop la um, like like the razor was 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.320 a big deal, and the I think they they had 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.480 the first brick phone and bag phone. Even I didn't 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.720 know about the bag phone, but they definitely had the 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.440 brick phone. The one that Zack Morris had the Din 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.480 Attack was the very first cell phone, at the very 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.920 least ever make a cell phone call in the United States. Yeah. 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.639 That was nineteen seventy three. And this guy, Marty Cooper 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.000 had been an engineer engineer there for a long time 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.239 and big competitor with a T and T obviously, and 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.960 so this he took this two and a half pound 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.360 phone that's ten inches long. Everyone knows that great beautiful 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.680 brick phones and went out on the street corner in Manhattan, 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.520 supposedly and called Joel Ingle, which was one of those 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.400 two guys I don't think we mentioned them by name 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:23.760 who kicked off a T and T S program and 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.720 he was I guess, sort of the arch rival at 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.160 Bell Labs. And he called him up and I don't 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.119 know what he said, like, hey, sucker, what do you 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.160 think of this? Yeah, chump, want to peel yourself off 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.520 of the ground and get to work for me. Um. 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.160 And I saw there's a great Popular Science cover from 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.560 July seventy three with that Dynatech phone on it and 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.439 it said the new did you see this thing? The phone? 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.960 Or the cover? The cover? It said the new new 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.680 take Along telephones? And I just thought how funny that 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.520 would be if that's stuck, you know, and we would 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.280 be like, have you seen my take Along? I can't 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:05.760 find it anywhere? And we had the exact same kind 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.400 of cell phone, like it never evolved past the Dana tech. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:11.880 That would be even better. Uh. And by the way, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.720 another UH story in that issue was solving the mysteries 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:23.800 of the Northern lights, right are they? God? Sources say yes, so, Um, 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.639 we've got finally with the first cell phone we still 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:32.520 haven't gotten the first cellular network. Apparently Marty Cooper Um 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:37.040 possibly made a call in Manhattan connecting to a radio 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.040 tower from from Bell Labs. We're not sure, but he 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.360 still came up with the first cell phone. It wouldn't 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.720 become a genuine bona fide cell phone for a few 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.680 more years though, until and I say, because we've finally 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.359 reached the first generation of cellular networks, Chuck, we should 0:19:54.400 --> 0:20:22.480 probably take a break. All right, let's do it. M hmm, Okay, 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.920 we just leapt friends from zero G to one G. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:33.160 We're we're finally at our first Gary and he's doing great. Three. 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.000 He's showing a lot of chest hair, got a couple 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.440 of medallions. He's uh just auditioned for a new show 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.119 called The A Team. Doesn't get it, but he still 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.560 feels pretty good about the work that he put in 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.960 in the audition. I was just trying to call it 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.879 to face his name, the actor who played him, Dirk Benedict. 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.639 Oh wow, was that it? Yeah? I just see Gary 0:20:53.760 --> 0:21:00.639 like going Dirk Benedict always getting my parts. Well, they 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:05.440 looked a lot alike. Uh, they did, especially in three. Uh. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:09.200 And like you mentioned earlier, this was still on um 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:14.320 analog radio signals at this time, right, No, just not great. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.280 Oh yeah, you're right. I'm sorry, I'm right. So, yes, 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:21.680 it was analog signals. Do you say you're right? I'm right. Yeah, 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:26.080 everybody wins, Um it was it was analog signals. But 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.480 now these radio towers were all part of a genuine 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.960 cellular network. So yes, you're right, and it was analog 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.440 for sure. Yeah, which is you know, analog is great 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:39.159 in a lot of applications. If you're talking about guitar amps, uh, 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.480 to vamps and things like that, analog is great. But 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.359 uh and record players, and there's a good argument to 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.320 be made for analog technology. But if you're talking about 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.000 cell phones, uh, they can only handle a certain amount 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.720 of calls. There's no like virtually no security. You can 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.000 tap into one of those calls back then pretty easily 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.000 if you know what you're doing. But it was, you know, 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.639 it was the first attempt. It was, and from what 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.920 I saw, the sound qualities actually clear. But the problem 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:12.040 is it's clear because there's not as much loss because 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:16.920 you're not compressing anything. Right. Yeah, And so so analog 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.199 had a lot of drawbacks and it still has a 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.480 lot of drawbacks whenever it's used, UM and it. But 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.120 it would stay that way for UM quite a while actually, 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.360 I think until the early nineties. So we went from 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.359 where the first cellular network was set up by A 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.960 T and T UM into the early nineties, a good 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:42.040 decade where everybody was just using analog cell signals. And 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:50.280 finally sometime in oh, I guess about one or two UM, 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.960 the second generation came along. And this is an enormous 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:59.280 leap forward as far as telecommunications technology went. Like zero G, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.439 two one was kind of edging forward, and it was 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.680 mostly about the creation of the cell phone and then 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.600 figuring out how cell phone network would work. Two G 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.159 was like, Okay, let's see what we can do with 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:17.800 this puppy, and and taking a a dumpy loser short 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:23.000 order cook and turning him into um to what Dirk, 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:28.800 what's his name, Benedict? Yes, hey, I don't want to 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.440 insult any short order cooks out there. No, No, it's 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.000 you know who I was describing as Barth from you 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.440 can't do that on television. I thought you were gonna 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:42.760 say the guy from Alice Victor back was not dumpy 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:48.240 my friend. Uh So to G what they did was 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:52.080 they digitized everything, and they squeezed all that stuff down 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.360 and all of a sudden, apparently could fit about ten 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.119 and this is a rough estimate, but about ten digital 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.680 phone calls into that same band with as the one 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.119 analog call. And this was a big leap forward. And 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.560 this was in Europe is where things got started and 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.800 um and also where text messaging got started. I didn't 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:16.520 know what SMS stood for until yesterday. I had no idea. 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.120 I never see I just never tried to figure this out. 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.280 I never thought about any of this stuff. I yeah, 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.919 it didn't really matter enough to me to stop and 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.560 think about either. I have too much to do. Stands 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.840 for I want you to know. I think you should 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:35.560 all right. It stands for short Message service because the 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.920 first text could only be a hundred and sixty characters. 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:42.960 And this was, like I said, rolled out in Britain. 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.080 And when I think back to my uh my first 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.639 European trip in that is when I first saw a 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:55.240 widespread cell phone use. Yeah, it was in England and 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:56.800 I was like, what is going on here there? Like 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.240 it wasn't ubiquitous, but a lot of people were using 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.120 cell phones in the mid nineties. Yeah, and using them 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.920 to text too, right, I guess, I mean they were. 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.600 I didn't really you know, I couldn't. I didn't even 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.600 know what texting was at the time, but they had 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.560 the ability to. Yeah. Um, you me spent some time 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.440 in Japan in the nineties, um, and she said, like 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.080 it was just nuts what they were doing with cell phones, 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.960 especially texting, And then came back to the States and 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:25.720 had to waited like a couple more years before it 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.760 really caught on here, because apparently it was. The epicenter 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.040 was Europe thanks to some some engineers with what's called 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:35.040 the group Special Mobile, which was formed back in the 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.320 eighties to like create a euro like a europe wide 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.359 cellular network. Well, one of their engineers created SMS, so 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:46.160 it started to take off there. But apparently, um, it 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.840 took off in particular because of Vota Phone, which is 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.679 like a pay as you go phone service, and the 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:57.120 first SMS set um message ever sent was sent by 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.520 a Vota Phone engineer from what I understand, Yeah, and 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.360 I think was that the one where he sent Mary 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.640 Christmas to his boss. Yeah, he did, and his boss said, 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:11.760 I'm Jewish, You're fired, right, get back to work. Yeah, 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:13.320 but you you mentioned the pay as you go. I 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.359 think that sort of democratized it, and that all of 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.280 a sudden you didn't need a credit check or you 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.000 didn't have to have this recurring monthly payment drawn from 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.840 a bank accountter credit card or something. You could just 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.240 if you had some money, you could get a phone 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.879 a lot of times for free and just pay for 0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:33.119 the calls and the text that you made, and that 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.280 that really made it spread kind of far and wide. Yeah, 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.119 and if you were a criminal, you could pay for 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.680 your phone in cash and use it until you figured 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:42.600 the cops had a beat on you and trash that 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:46.080 one and get another one. What are those called burner phones? 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:50.520 That's right. Um, So the sms started take off in 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:54.600 part because, like you said, the cell phone itself was democratized, 0:26:54.880 --> 0:27:00.399 but also because they started adding like alpha numeric key pads, 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:04.439 not just numeric keypads, because initially, when you wanted to text, 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.600 you had to you had to just use a keypad, 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.800 just like remember when you had to spell out something 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.480 with a rotary phone like ABC were associated with one, 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.160 you had to do that. And so everybody's like, I'm 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:20.919 not texting, And in fact, at first, apparently if you 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.840 were in America, you sent about point four texts a month. 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.480 You didn't even bother to finish an entire text or 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.639 even half of a text in a single month, and 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.560 then just in a few years, five years, four years later, 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.200 it was up to something like, um, I think thirty 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:41.200 five texts a month, which is still pittally compared to today, 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.720 but you can see how much it took off because 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.160 they started to add those alpha numeric keypads. Yeah, I 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:52.040 was way way late to texting. UM. I remember when 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.000 I was working as a p a with my little 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:58.720 handheld Nokia, which was great because you didn't have when 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.320 I first started peeing, you had a pager and they 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:02.960 would paid you and you would have to stop and 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.680 find a pay phone and call the production office. You 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:07.080 had this no Ki, and all of a sudden I 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.280 could talk to them. But I remember them sending me 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.639 text occasionally, and I was one of those was like, 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.840 I'm not gonna take time to go, you know, hit 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.960 number one three times if I want the letters c uh. 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.720 And when the smartphones came out, I wasn't even texting 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.959 for a while, and I was a little annoyed that 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.720 people were texting, and I was like I don't want 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.280 to do that, can just call me. So I was 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.199 kind of a holdout and finally I was like, all right, 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.680 and I gave in. And now I totally see the 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:36.879 value in it. Sure, you don't have to talk to 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:42.480 anybody exactly. You could have long fights on a text. Man, 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:46.160 that's the worst. No, those are Those are pretty bad. 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.840 Do you remember those lamos who associated texting with with 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.720 being girly up until oh yeah, it was a thing. 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:55.880 Was that a thing? Yeah, that was a thing. Now 0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:00.240 like text yeah, so like I'm not gonna text, don't 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:03.800 noted girl. And then now they associate like recycling and 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:07.320 other like eco conscious things with with girliness, which is 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:11.040 super healthy for our systems. Gotcha, Okay, I know you're 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.000 talking about now. But ironically they express their disdain for 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:19.000 recycling via text to other dudes, so maybe they'll eventually 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.880 come along. And now they text pictures of their barbed 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:26.400 wire tattoo on their bicep. Are people still doing that 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.120 or is that just a throwback thing? Oh? I don't know. 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.880 I just saw a funny meme today that said you're 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.920 anti masker starter kit and it had a barbed wire tattoo, 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.640 A pair of Oakley's sitting on top of a head 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:46.360 a goatee, and then those big chunky white tennis shoes 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:48.360 that I'm not even sure who makes them, but you 0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.240 know what I'm talking about. I think every brand there 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.239 is makes them. Oh has one of those? Those are 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.640 the ones that float with this articulated feet in um 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.720 in the the what's that sound body of water off 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.880 of British Columbia. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.440 you mean. Yeah. Hey, one of the best starter packs 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.480 I ever saw it was the oh my gosh, that 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.480 smells amazing, what are you cooking? Starter pack? And it 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.440 just had a picture of a garlic and a picture 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:21.840 of an onion? Is love that so much? Man? Is that? 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.880 Is that a meme starter pack? Yeah? Okay, I don't 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.920 know about any of that stuff. So apparently you do, 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.480 because you know, like the anti mask or starter pack thing. 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:33.320 I just saw it today for you. You should text 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:38.520 it to somebody. Yeah, so after text, we're still done 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.680 talking about text. Everybody, just buckle up because at first, 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:43.280 if you wanted to text somebody, like you said, you 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.960 had a hundred and sixty characters, you couldn't even text 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.120 from your phone. Your phone could get a text like 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:54.800 some some dumpy barthesque pager, right, but you couldn't actually 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.840 do texting even if you wanted to go to the 0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:00.880 trouble of just using your numeric keypad. Um. So eventually 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.600 we started to leap forward. The big leap forward was 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.400 going from SMS to m M S, where all of 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.240 a sudden you could now text more than just text. 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.920 You could text pictures, you could text music, you could 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.560 text all sorts of stuff. And the person on the 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:20.720 other end had just been days upon weeks downloading a 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.760 single file that you sent. It would frequently get interrupted, 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.200 and it was one of the most aggravating things you 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.640 could possibly engage in. But it was like the promise 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.480 of this future where this wasn't aggravating and it was 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.440 ordinary and every day to do. Yeah. And the first 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:42.640 camera was the Sony ericson T sixty eight. I had 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:46.960 an attachable camera, which is adorable. Uh. And those I 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:50.480 remember seeing some of those early picks that were very 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:55.120 creddy and grainy, uh yeah, and small. But it's sort 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.280 of just married the idea of a camera with a phone. Um. 0:31:58.320 --> 0:31:59.680 But I have to say, man, when I look at 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.720 those old when I see that Sony Ericsson. I long 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.360 for that thing. Oh, you can get those. They're they're 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.920 called dumb phones. And like a lot of people, as 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.400 we'll see, are are kind of making the switch over 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.560 to that just because they just want a phone that 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:19.000 can maybe text, maybe take a picture, and make calls. Well, 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.520 there I found one that I I might get. Uh, 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.440 there's something called the light phone. Have you seen that. 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.160 So the first version of the light phone had I 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:35.240 think you could make calls, and it had, um, maybe 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:39.680 a clock and an alarm and that's it. And the 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.280 idea was is that you use it as a companion phone, 0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.880 so you still have your smartphone, but leave that thing 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.520 at home a lot of times when you go out, 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.320 take this light phone and engage with the world. Um. 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.240 And now the light Phone two is out and it 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.760 can actually text, and it has a clock and I 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:03.920 think minimal directions, no apps at all still, but it 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.000 does have bluetooth and a headphone jack and it's meant 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.400 to just sort of replace the smartphone for people that 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.720 are kind of done with the distraction of it. I 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.240 don't know, man, it sounds like the light phone is 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:19.160 is going down a slippery slope here. Yeah, I mean 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.040 I started looking at my phone. I was like, what 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.200 do I really need? Like I would want to call 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:30.920 text mhm and take pictures? What about email and directions 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.320 and get email? And I think I could live without 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:38.240 the rest? So like, what do you use for directions? 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.760 What app? I just used the Maps app on the iPhone? 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.520 Do you I use Ways almost exclusively? Yeah, because I 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.360 almost never walk. You know, Atlanta is not a huge 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.200 walking town, so when you when you drive, Ways is 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.680 definitely the preferred app. Well, I don't never drive very far, 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.640 so Ways didn't really come. But I'm looking at all 0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:02.440 these dumb apps and like all that stuff could wait 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:06.320 really for me? Oh totally their distractions. Yeah, I could 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.640 wait till I get home to check my laptop for 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:13.760 the most part. So I need I need a web browser, phone, text, 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.640 an email. I could probably do fine with that. It 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:19.440 would be nice to have Ways, but you can always 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.480 just get like a you know, yeah, but the web 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:25.200 browser is at all those things. That app just makes 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.120 it easier to do. No, it's true, it is true. 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.760 I guess, um, yeah, I'll give up my web browser. Okay, 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.200 you don't have to. I don't have to. Late, I 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.560 already said, I was going to al right, so let's 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.879 let's get back to it. Here. Where are we? Here? 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.120 Are we? All right? We're at three? G Now we're 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:46.440 at three Gary's I think. Yeah. So so second second 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.600 generation leapt ahead in a lot of ways, and then 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.839 third generation basically took it and kept going. And this 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.799 was the um generation that really said, oh yeah, that 0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:01.040 that whole like texting, video and pick ers and music 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:02.600 and all that, that's a really good idea. How can 0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.520 we improve on that. So if if the first or 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.960 if the second generation was all about um, you know, 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.600 kind of leaping forward with these bright ideas, the third 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.759 generation was all about like perfecting them. And this is 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.920 where the first smartphones started to come in. Yeah. I 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.920 feel like this is when they were like, you know, 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.560 everyone really loves the Internet, so let's put it in 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:28.320 your pocket. Exactly because everybody was really super into the 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.839 Internet in the late nineties. Everybody's like, I love this, 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:37.240 asked Jeeves thing, he knows everything. I love Lotus notes, CC, 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:42.040 your whatever it is that email application. Like people were 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.920 into the Internet and like this idea of moving it 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:46.919 onto your phone. It just just seemed like a good 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.560 idea to everybody. Isn't it so weird that we can 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:53.480 already have nostalgia for early Internet? Isn't it weird that 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:57.520 there's entire groups of people who are now adults that 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.440 have never lived in a world without the Internet. I know, Hey, 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.279 actually hold on, I need to go get my web van. 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:09.279 Order order van van that's going on today. They were 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.320 just ahead of their time. Oh yeah, of course, poor guys. 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.000 So UM. One of the big things that allowed like 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.320 the third generation to move everything forward was there were 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:24.759 um some people working on how to get basically faster speeds. 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.040 And in the late nineties, UM there was something called 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:31.880 the Third Generation Partnership Project, and they created two things 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.440 that really kind of changed everything, uh, something called wide 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:39.280 band code division multiple access and high speed packet access. 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.120 And basically these were just ways that figured out how 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.839 to take the information that you were sending, compress it 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:50.160 and transfer it into smaller pieces, UM so that you 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:54.279 could transfer more information faster, which is the whole point 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:58.840 of of moving forward, generally from generation to generation figuring 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:04.239 out how to move more information or data at faster speeds. 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.799 Because the more you can do those two things, the 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:11.560 more um connected the world can be, the faster everything moves, 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.399 and that's just basically the steps that we just keep 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:18.680 taking with each new generation. Yeah. So three G Broaderbound 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.799 brought around a true mobile broadband network, and it really 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.200 kind of set the stage for that first smartphone. Even 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.760 though in the mid nineties we did have the Simon 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:30.600 and we had p d A S and stuff like that. 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.480 Simon was pretty awesome. Actually it's kind of cool. But 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.680 did you look it up? Oh yeah, okay, I like 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.480 the Simon. I mean it was genuinely the first smartphone 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:43.680 and it was from had a touch screen for PiZZ sake, Yeah, 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:48.920 I had an interactive touch screen screen. But in two 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.239 thousand seven, with the launch of that first iPhone is 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:56.040 when that first big splash was made because of a 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:57.840 lot of reasons, but one of the biggest was the 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:02.800 introduction of the app store and apps. And I remember 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.239 the app I mean people still use their apps, but 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.640 at first I remember just all of those dumb apps 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.720 that everyone was just like, look at this super cool 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:14.000 app that does this really dumb thing that you'll do 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:18.520 once and then never do again. The laundryminder. Yeah. And now, 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.080 like my apps, I have a lot of them, but 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:27.680 they're all just useful interactive things like Venmo or my 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.640 Sonos app or my Delta apps, stuff like that. It's 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.160 none of them. Are I feel like that the early 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.560 apps were just kind of dumb? Yeah, for sure. But 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.360 I mean that's how technology happens. Like somebody has an idea. 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.840 It's not the best idea, but it's a it's a 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.560 proof of concept. And then other people say, oh, that's 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.000 a great idea that in particular was a terrible idea, 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.520 and you need to retire. But we're gonna take your 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:54.440 idea and convert it into something that people actually want. 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:56.840 That's how it happens, you know. That's how it happened 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.000 with devices, That's how it happened with the networks. That's 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.360 how I happened with app two. Should we take another break? 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.719 All right, we'll take another break, and we'll introduce you 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.920 to a little guy named for Gary right after this. 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:38.640 Mm hmm, okay, we finally reached the present. Actually, sadly, 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:43.839 because we entered four g um in about two thousand nine, 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:49.680 we've been languishing in hell there since because we're technically 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.200 still in the four g era, and the four g 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:56.319 era didn't do a lot except increased speeds, and it 0:39:56.400 --> 0:40:00.560 increased speeds a lot. But that's really basically the finding 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:05.520 um characteristic between four G and three G. Yeah, it 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.359 was about ten times or is about ten times as 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.919 fast as three G was. Uh. And what this brought 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.000 about kind of the big thing it brought about, aside 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:17.440 from just transferring pictures and stuff quicker, was you could 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:22.560 actually finally stream HD uh, like live sports and HD 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.040 movies and stuff like that, if you want to watch 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.319 something like that on your phone, which I never have 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.560 or want to, but a lot of people do for sure. UM. 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.680 And the big technology associated with four G is called LTE, 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:41.080 which stands for long Term Evolution. Didn't know UM and LTE, 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.520 at least in the U S that's the big four 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:48.520 G technology. But LTE basically runs on two kind of 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:54.160 breakthroughs in data transfer technology. Ones called orthogonal frequency division 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:59.280 multiplexing can get a Glavin please hey. And the other 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:03.759 one is called MEMO multiple input multiple output, which makes 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.319 a lot of sense because basically what it is is 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.960 multiple antennas on your device, say your router or your 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:14.640 phone or whatever, and it transfers data UH from the 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.080 device and accepts data and coming to the device at 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.120 the same time. It doesn't like switch back and forth. 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.120 Like do you remember back in the nineties or early 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.080 two thousand's when you could watch data transfer going on? 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.239 If you had something uploading and downloading at the same time, 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.680 you could watch your computers little um a task bar, 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.839 that's not what it's called. What's the thing the bar 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.360 that kind of grows star maybe status bar? Yeah, you 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:43.840 could watch it flip between uploading and downloading. Well, that 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.280 all went the way of the dinosaur when Memo became 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:50.839 um prevalent or widespread, because you could do both at 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.319 the same time without sacrificing speed, which made your transmission 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:58.040 speeds a lot faster. Yeah. So Memo is the human 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:02.239 centipede of cell phone technologies. I forgot all about that movie, 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.600 Like I literally forgot in my head that that movie existed. 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.839 And it was a good one too. I didn't see it, 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.360 but when I saw multiple input, multiple output, that is 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:13.040 the very first thing I thought of somehow, huh, oh, 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.280 you should see it, for sure. I think every human 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.680 alive should see Human Centipede at least one time. Every 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.560 human over the age of eighteen. How about this, every 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:28.840 human that has a phone? Oh boy, so Um, technically 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.120 my daughter has a phone. I gave her my old 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:33.560 phone just and took everything off but the camera so 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.799 she could take pictures and stuff. Very cute. She's like, 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.719 why is this cracked and you never fixed it? Uh no, 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.120 it's not correct. It actually works pretty well. That's impressive. 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.879 Uh I've seen I honestly, I've never seen a cell 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.799 phone that is not in use anymore that doesn't have 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.640 a crack screen. Oh. Really, well, you should come over 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.440 some time and uh she'll take a picture of you. Okay, 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.560 I think that's the deal. You can throw it down 0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:01.880 and break it, right, I would be now you're normally so. 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.640 The big advantage of lt E four g l T 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:11.000 T lt E, of course is capacity, and that is 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:14.959 basically how many, um, how many calls you can serve 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.759 at the same time. And that's a big problem, you know, 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:21.640 depending on where you are. I remember, even um in 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:23.880 recent trips in the past couple of years to New 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.040 York and l A, thinking, why do you people even 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:30.439 have smartphones? Because none of you can use them? It's 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:34.680 so lame. How slow it is. DCS is pretty bad too, Actually, 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.520 it's just really really slow because there's so many people 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.480 all trying to use data, and I mean on a 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:47.120 transmission frequency, like there's only so much bandwidth and if 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.760 you you know, out in des Moines doesn't matter, Um, 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:54.400 nothing matters in des Moines, really, but there's so few 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.759 people who are trying to use it comparatively speaking that 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.640 you know, you can have relatively good transmission rates. In 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.800 New York they have a huge network, but there's so 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:05.759 many people trying to use the network it once, it 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.440 just drags the whole thing down, and everybody's Internet is 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:12.920 really slow for now, for now, because I would suspect 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.319 if it's not already going on, um, New York will 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.839 be among the first cities that are ushered into the 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:24.080 true bona fide age of five G. Yeah, so that 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.959 the one big thing are actually two things that five 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:30.160 G is gonna help with. We mentioned capacity. Uh, the 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.040 other thing that four G improved upon that five gary's 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.400 is really going to improve upon is lower latency. And 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.839 latency is that delay when data is bouncing back and 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.520 forth across the network and you want to you want 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:46.320 to low latency. And four G l T E LTE 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:51.960 has a latency about forty milliseconds real time is fifty milliseconds, 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:56.160 and that's what they're hoping that those five garys can accomplish. Right. 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.680 And so the big deal with five G is that 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:03.920 it uses a completely different range of the spectrum, the 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.480 broadband spectrum, right, So it uses between the thirty and 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.640 three hundred giga hurts range um, and it's called the 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:14.960 millimeter portion of the spectrum because the wave links between 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:19.359 those ranges are about one millimeter to ten millimeters, So 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:21.640 that's why they call it the millimeter wave portion of 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:27.520 the spectrum. And because there's so much bandwidth between thirty 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:31.239 and three hundred giga hurts um, you can have a 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:35.239 channel that takes up something like eight hundred megahurts, right, 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:39.120 that's a huge enormous channel. And because you have a 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.799 huge enormous channel and you have a bunch of them, 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.000 what that now allows is that huge that big next 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:50.280 step forward of the same progression, which is transferring a 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:55.239 whole bunch of information at really high speeds. Again, that's 0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:58.640 the progress of all telecommunications these days. That's where we're going. 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.240 And so this five G change over to the millimeter 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.279 wave spectrum is um is going to allow that. So 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.440 we'll be going from what did you say like tyty 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:16.240 millisecond latency to something like um less than one second 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:21.640 for latency, which is that's it's like happening in real time. Basically, 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:25.080 it's reality UM as if you were standing there watching 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:28.080 something a foot away, it might actually even be faster 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.600 than that. Yeah, So I guess the idea there is 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.920 is you can you can send someone a a song 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.319 and it you send it and they get it and 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:43.279 it's done. Sure. Sure, if you really want to set 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.960 your sights low, Yes, that is what it would do. 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.799 It just sounded like a grandpa. I don't know what 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:53.120 happened there. You can send a picture of your light 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:58.440 phone to your neighbor and they'll get it immediately. The 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.759 bad part, or that gets the drawback about those signals 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.239 is they don't travel that far. They travel about eight 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:07.920 hundred feet. So the idea with five G is uh 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.480 is will have these big cell towers, but then there 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:14.360 will also be thousands of little tiny while they're not tiny, 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:19.040 but small low power transmitters um kind of all over 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:23.239 the place, buildings on rooftops. I guess they'll climb pine 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:26.160 trees and and nail them in those. But I think 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.080 also remember our episode on the Internet of Things. How 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.520 it's like all made up of sensors and transmitters and 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:35.160 just stuff that's aboard everything. I think that those will 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.960 also double as transmitters too, So it's kind of like 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.800 you know those mesh networks that you can put together 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.720 with your home router. I got one of those, okay, 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.200 So I think it's basically that, but on like a 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:50.280 national or global scale, where because of all these different 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:55.440 sensors and interconnected wireless transmitters, we like everything will have that, 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.759 which means everything will be connected, which means we'll be 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.480 living amongst one big mesh, which means just walking into 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:06.960 your kitchen will give you COVID nineteen. That's right, And 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.239 I think in about thirty five cities right now they 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:13.360 have the high band five G as opposed to the 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.600 low band five G, which I think the low band 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.040 is just sort of working off those four G LTE 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.320 tours and the five the high band will be this 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:26.279 this meshed network I guess, right where where everything is 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:29.600 connected and because of that incredibly low latency where things 0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:33.799 just are communicating back and forth just faster than you 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:37.120 can even describe it. Um, we'll have things like that 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:41.160 genuinely connected Internet of things where everything is constantly monitoring 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.759 everything else in the background, and our our world is 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:47.960 perfect basically, which actually it sounds funny, but the Internet 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:49.719 of things is going to be the thing that lays 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:54.640 the groundwork for an intelligent AI that can run that 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:57.160 Internet of things for us in the background, and that 0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:00.520 can control things like the weather where the amperature of 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.720 the beach, the water at the ocean, like just stuff 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.040 that we can't even begin to conceive of. That will 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:09.000 lay the groundwork for that. On the shorter term, we're 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.960 gonna have things like smart roads where your car is 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.839 communicating with other cars so that you just aren't going 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.839 to get in an accident because that low latency and 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:22.600 ubiquitous connectivity means that that a car will never come 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:25.080 in contact with another car because they're communicating with one 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:28.719 another constantly while you're sitting there reading the paper traveling 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.640 in your car. That's a that's good, that will happen 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.359 very soon. That's probably a ten or fifteen year off thing. 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.759 Or you'll just be sitting at home going, oh my god, 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:40.560 Chuck just sent me a song. Oh wait, he sent 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:44.279 me another song. He sent me another song. Yeah, Or 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.799 augmented reality. There'll be another one. Remember we did an 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:50.040 episode on that. Yeah, and I was very skeptical and 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:53.120 always have been about a R and VR kind of 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:56.160 overtaking the world. Uh. And there's an argument to be 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:59.200 made that it hasn't yet because something like five G 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.240 wasn't around and those data speeds weren't where they needed 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.520 to be. But I'm still skeptical for the reasons I 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.160 outlined to previously. I think we talked about that in 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.719 the actual episode two, but we did. So you you 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:15.120 mentioned about about um people being addicted to smartphones, and 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.319 that's like, you know, that's a common concern. I think 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:21.480 Nicholas car back in two thousand nine a really great 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:24.239 Atlantic article. If you've never read it, go read it now. 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:28.480 It's called a Google making is dumb leg article and 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:32.120 that so that article he basically says, like, um, I 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.040 can't remember if we did an episode on it or not, 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.880 but basically he says, you know, we we have changed 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:41.200 our brains the way we absorb information. It's much more shallow, 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.479 it's much less deep. So yeah, maybe it is making 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.480 a stupid That kind of taps into this idea that 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.239 we've become addicted to our cell phones. Um, not so 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:52.000 much that they're making a stupid but that they've actually 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.920 kind of rewired our brains in a way so that 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:59.600 we rely on them to essentially get happiness from that. 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.640 We get it hits of dopamine from things like getting 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:05.720 a text from somebody that we're hoping for, or hearing 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.120 that we got an Instagram like basically everything you can 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:11.600 get a push notification for. It's set up so that 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:16.040 it maximizes whatever hit of dopamine it might release in 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:20.320 your brain. And just on that very basic level, answers 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:23.080 the question whether we're addicted to our cell phones or not, 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:28.720 And the answer is absolutely yes. It's actually designed that way. Yeah. 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.520 And I don't have any push notification set and I 0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:35.120 never I wasn't trying to make some stand against it. 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:38.080 I just it never occurred to me that I would 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.600 want to know when someone made a comment on an 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:45.760 Instagram post or whatever people get notifications for, like I'll 0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:47.720 I'll see that stuff when I go to those apps, 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:52.480 and it's fine, and I get my dopamine reward that way. Um. 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:54.920 I just I mean, my cell phone just doesn't make 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:59.160 any noise unless someone's calling me. Or texting me. Um. 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:02.360 And in fact, I think people should hear what my 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:06.759 text is. Can you text me real quick? Sure? What's 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:10.560 your number? Jerk? And I'll just hold it up and 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:21.400 here's my text tone. Okay, all right, here it comes next. Man. 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:27.920 Did you hear that was that? Um? Dirk Benedict, No, 0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:32.080 that was me. That's pretty great going text man, but 0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.000 great man, Yeah, that's what I hear when a text 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:39.200 comes through. Uh, and I hear ring, ring, ring ring, 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:42.960 it's you saying ring ring, yes, in a in a 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.120 British accent. I've got to figure that out because I 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.759 have I have my ring tone on like the regular one, 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:51.120 and I usually I just have my ringer off all 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.080 the time because I don't like sounds coming from myself 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:57.400 and um, but when it is on, it's like jacked 0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.719 all the way up because I forget to turn it 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.560 down and say I'm mowing the lawn or something like that. 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.319 And you may you may like jumped out of her 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.560 skin yesterday and finally was like, okay, I'm I'm actually 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:11.080 trembling here. Can we please come up with another ring 0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:13.160 tone for you? So we went over and came up 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:16.120 with a much more peaceful one. Um, it's just a 0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:19.000 normal ring tone, but it's like, you know, very tranquil. 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:21.120 It's not like that ringing sound, so it should be 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:24.120 all good. Now I'm happy to report everybody. Yeah, I've 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:26.400 got text, man, I've got ring ring And then the 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:30.720 only other custom when I have is for Emily. Um, 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:34.879 I just got her to record her yelling baby, so 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:37.719 whenever a text or a call comes in from her, 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:41.359 I know it's her. Very nice and so's a ing tones. 0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:44.000 Those are great ring tones, Chuck. But just to kind 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:47.280 of put a button, as they say in Silicon Valley 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:51.160 on the dopamine hit from your brain at that end 0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.800 of itself is an entirely different podcast. I promise, I 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.680 vow we will take up some date because it's definitely interesting. 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:00.920 It's worth looking into in depth. But in meantime, just 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.720 look up say Tristan Harris and some of the articles 0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:05.320 that were written on him in the last couple of 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:07.480 years when he was making the news cycle, and it 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:09.920 will be a pretty good entree into that subject. If 0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:12.279 it floats your boat and you're wondering why you can't 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:15.439 stop looking at your phone even if you want to. Yeah, 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:18.440 And in the meantime, that's mobile phones. Everybody take it 0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.920 or leave it. It was free, so just take it 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:25.040 and stop complaining. I said, stop complaining. It's time for 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:30.680 listener mail, which also is free. I'm gonna call this 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:35.800 UH stalking us, but not really. Hey, guys, been listening 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.000 to a couple of years, and it randomly happened upon 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.680 UH your show one particularly boring day at work, and 0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:44.480 I was hooked. Your funny, charming way of explaining sometimes 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:47.600 quote boring topics got me through a rough time in 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:50.919 my personal life and work much happier now with both. 0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:53.080 Although my new job, I don't have as much time 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:55.080 to listen. I just want to say thanks for being 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:58.000 those familiar faces during a crappy time. But I was 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.719 listening to the insidious abuse of stalking and I had 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.080 to giggle myself. As I listen to you guys every day, 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:05.360 I feel as if I know you quite well and 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:08.600 couldn't help but stock you both on social media. Chuck 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:12.840 Welcome to Instagram. Thank you Chuck the podcaster on Instagram. 0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:14.919 I hope, I hope you don't think I'm a creep, 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.120 but it's nice to see a glimpse into your personal lives. 0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:20.799 I think That's what Instagram is all about, right there, 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.080 for look into my personal life, creeps a little peek. 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.360 I'm looking forward to your book coming out in November. 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:31.040 Although slightly pissed I can't get the pre order post 0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:33.759 in the UK yet. I think we just addressed that 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:39.800 Nat head of this episode, she's drunk, slightly drunk that 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.319 she can't get it. Uh, and can I ask once 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.280 a pandemic is over, you guys come back to England. 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:46.359 I'd love to take my dad and sister to see 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.560 you guys live. Yes, absolutely, you can see us probably 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:54.480 four or five years from now, and she says, cheers, Nat. 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:59.239 Ps keep those pet picks coming on Instagram. Nice Nat, 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:02.120 thanks a lot, Um. We definitely will do that. What 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.600 are you at, Chuck the podcaster at Instagram? Chuck the podcaster, 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:09.200 I'm at josh Um Clark. So you can find us both. 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:11.239 You can find our pets, you can find a little 0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:14.360 peek into our lives. I'm enjoying it. That too is 0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:18.839 free as as well. Uh and again much appreciated. NAT 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.400 will definitely be over there in the UK again someday 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:23.719 and Uh. In the meantime, if you want to get 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:25.759 in touch with us, like Nat did. You can send 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.240 us an email, wrap it up spanking on the bottom, 0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:31.560 and send it off to Stuff podcast at iHeart radio 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:36.960 dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production of 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.719 iHeart Radios. How Stuff works from More podcasts for my 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.440 heart Radio is at the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.240 or where every you listen to your favorite shows.