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Speaker 1: welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Charles, Charles in charge.

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Speaker 1: Bryant Man. We might need to take this one over again, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever laughed like that in my

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Speaker 1: bay Oh god, oh that's true. That's true. Well because

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Speaker 1: that's the common ground we can all reach on Scott

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Speaker 1: The Stuff you should know. Uh, Colon, not the stuff

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Speaker 1: The rock stuff you should know? Colon a a great

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Speaker 1: I always get confused when I'm in the moment. An

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Speaker 1: We don't like things to be complicated. We just like

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Speaker 1: but that has not happened in this case because we've

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Speaker 1: run into the juggernaut that is um international intellectual property rights. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, Chuck, we just laid it

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Speaker 1: the ability to. Yeah. Um, you me spent some time

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00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: in Japan in the nineties, um, and she said, like

426
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: it was just nuts what they were doing with cell phones,

427
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: especially texting, And then came back to the States and

428
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: had to waited like a couple more years before it

429
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: really caught on here, because apparently it was. The epicenter

430
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: was Europe thanks to some some engineers with what's called

431
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: the group Special Mobile, which was formed back in the

432
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: eighties to like create a euro like a europe wide

433
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: cellular network. Well, one of their engineers created SMS, so

434
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: it started to take off there. But apparently, um, it

435
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: took off in particular because of Vota Phone, which is

436
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: like a pay as you go phone service, and the

437
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: first SMS set um message ever sent was sent by

438
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: a Vota Phone engineer from what I understand, Yeah, and

439
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: I think was that the one where he sent Mary

440
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: Christmas to his boss. Yeah, he did, and his boss said,

441
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm Jewish, You're fired, right, get back to work. Yeah,

442
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: but you you mentioned the pay as you go. I

443
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: think that sort of democratized it, and that all of

444
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: a sudden you didn't need a credit check or you

445
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't have to have this recurring monthly payment drawn from

446
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: a bank accountter credit card or something. You could just

447
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: if you had some money, you could get a phone

448
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: a lot of times for free and just pay for

449
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: the calls and the text that you made, and that

450
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: that really made it spread kind of far and wide. Yeah,

451
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: and if you were a criminal, you could pay for

452
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: your phone in cash and use it until you figured

453
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: the cops had a beat on you and trash that

454
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: one and get another one. What are those called burner phones?

455
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: That's right. Um, So the sms started take off in

456
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: part because, like you said, the cell phone itself was democratized,

457
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: but also because they started adding like alpha numeric key pads,

458
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: not just numeric keypads, because initially, when you wanted to text,

459
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: you had to you had to just use a keypad,

460
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: just like remember when you had to spell out something

461
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: with a rotary phone like ABC were associated with one,

462
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: you had to do that. And so everybody's like, I'm

463
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: not texting, And in fact, at first, apparently if you

464
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: were in America, you sent about point four texts a month.

465
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: You didn't even bother to finish an entire text or

466
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: even half of a text in a single month, and

467
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: then just in a few years, five years, four years later,

468
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: it was up to something like, um, I think thirty

469
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: five texts a month, which is still pittally compared to today,

470
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: but you can see how much it took off because

471
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: they started to add those alpha numeric keypads. Yeah, I

472
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: was way way late to texting. UM. I remember when

473
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: I was working as a p a with my little

474
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: handheld Nokia, which was great because you didn't have when

475
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: I first started peeing, you had a pager and they

476
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: would paid you and you would have to stop and

477
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: find a pay phone and call the production office. You

478
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: had this no Ki, and all of a sudden I

479
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: could talk to them. But I remember them sending me

480
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: text occasionally, and I was one of those was like,

481
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take time to go, you know, hit

482
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: number one three times if I want the letters c uh.

483
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: And when the smartphones came out, I wasn't even texting

484
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: for a while, and I was a little annoyed that

485
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: people were texting, and I was like I don't want

486
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: to do that, can just call me. So I was

487
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: kind of a holdout and finally I was like, all right,

488
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: and I gave in. And now I totally see the

489
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: value in it. Sure, you don't have to talk to

490
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: anybody exactly. You could have long fights on a text. Man,

491
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: that's the worst. No, those are Those are pretty bad.

492
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: Do you remember those lamos who associated texting with with

493
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: being girly up until oh yeah, it was a thing.

494
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: Was that a thing? Yeah, that was a thing. Now

495
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: like text yeah, so like I'm not gonna text, don't

496
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: noted girl. And then now they associate like recycling and

497
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: other like eco conscious things with with girliness, which is

498
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: super healthy for our systems. Gotcha, Okay, I know you're

499
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: talking about now. But ironically they express their disdain for

500
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: recycling via text to other dudes, so maybe they'll eventually

501
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: come along. And now they text pictures of their barbed

502
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: wire tattoo on their bicep. Are people still doing that

503
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: or is that just a throwback thing? Oh? I don't know.

504
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: I just saw a funny meme today that said you're

505
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: anti masker starter kit and it had a barbed wire tattoo,

506
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: A pair of Oakley's sitting on top of a head

507
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: a goatee, and then those big chunky white tennis shoes

508
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: that I'm not even sure who makes them, but you

509
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. I think every brand there

510
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 1: is makes them. Oh has one of those? Those are

511
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: the ones that float with this articulated feet in um

512
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: in the the what's that sound body of water off

513
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: of British Columbia. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what

514
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: you mean. Yeah. Hey, one of the best starter packs

515
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: I ever saw it was the oh my gosh, that

516
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: smells amazing, what are you cooking? Starter pack? And it

517
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: just had a picture of a garlic and a picture

518
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: of an onion? Is love that so much? Man? Is that?

519
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: Is that a meme starter pack? Yeah? Okay, I don't

520
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: know about any of that stuff. So apparently you do,

521
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: because you know, like the anti mask or starter pack thing.

522
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: I just saw it today for you. You should text

523
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: it to somebody. Yeah, so after text, we're still done

524
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: talking about text. Everybody, just buckle up because at first,

525
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: if you wanted to text somebody, like you said, you

526
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: had a hundred and sixty characters, you couldn't even text

527
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: from your phone. Your phone could get a text like

528
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: some some dumpy barthesque pager, right, but you couldn't actually

529
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: do texting even if you wanted to go to the

530
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: trouble of just using your numeric keypad. Um. So eventually

531
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: we started to leap forward. The big leap forward was

532
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: going from SMS to m M S, where all of

533
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: a sudden you could now text more than just text.

534
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: You could text pictures, you could text music, you could

535
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: text all sorts of stuff. And the person on the

536
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: other end had just been days upon weeks downloading a

537
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: single file that you sent. It would frequently get interrupted,

538
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: and it was one of the most aggravating things you

539
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: could possibly engage in. But it was like the promise

540
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: of this future where this wasn't aggravating and it was

541
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: ordinary and every day to do. Yeah. And the first

542
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: camera was the Sony ericson T sixty eight. I had

543
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: an attachable camera, which is adorable. Uh. And those I

544
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: remember seeing some of those early picks that were very

545
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: creddy and grainy, uh yeah, and small. But it's sort

546
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: of just married the idea of a camera with a phone. Um.

547
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: But I have to say, man, when I look at

548
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: those old when I see that Sony Ericsson. I long

549
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: for that thing. Oh, you can get those. They're they're

550
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: called dumb phones. And like a lot of people, as

551
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: we'll see, are are kind of making the switch over

552
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: to that just because they just want a phone that

553
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: can maybe text, maybe take a picture, and make calls. Well,

554
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: there I found one that I I might get. Uh,

555
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: there's something called the light phone. Have you seen that.

556
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: So the first version of the light phone had I

557
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: think you could make calls, and it had, um, maybe

558
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: a clock and an alarm and that's it. And the

559
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: idea was is that you use it as a companion phone,

560
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: so you still have your smartphone, but leave that thing

561
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: at home a lot of times when you go out,

562
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: take this light phone and engage with the world. Um.

563
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: And now the light Phone two is out and it

564
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: can actually text, and it has a clock and I

565
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: think minimal directions, no apps at all still, but it

566
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: does have bluetooth and a headphone jack and it's meant

567
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: to just sort of replace the smartphone for people that

568
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: are kind of done with the distraction of it. I

569
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: don't know, man, it sounds like the light phone is

570
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: is going down a slippery slope here. Yeah, I mean

571
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: I started looking at my phone. I was like, what

572
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: do I really need? Like I would want to call

573
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: text mhm and take pictures? What about email and directions

574
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: and get email? And I think I could live without

575
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: the rest? So like, what do you use for directions?

576
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: What app? I just used the Maps app on the iPhone?

577
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: Do you I use Ways almost exclusively? Yeah, because I

578
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: almost never walk. You know, Atlanta is not a huge

579
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: walking town, so when you when you drive, Ways is

580
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: definitely the preferred app. Well, I don't never drive very far,

581
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: so Ways didn't really come. But I'm looking at all

582
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: these dumb apps and like all that stuff could wait

583
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: really for me? Oh totally their distractions. Yeah, I could

584
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: wait till I get home to check my laptop for

585
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: the most part. So I need I need a web browser, phone, text,

586
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: an email. I could probably do fine with that. It

587
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: would be nice to have Ways, but you can always

588
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: just get like a you know, yeah, but the web

589
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: browser is at all those things. That app just makes

590
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: it easier to do. No, it's true, it is true.

591
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: I guess, um, yeah, I'll give up my web browser. Okay,

592
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to. I don't have to. Late, I

593
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: already said, I was going to al right, so let's

594
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: let's get back to it. Here. Where are we? Here?

595
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Are we? All right? We're at three? G Now we're

596
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: at three Gary's I think. Yeah. So so second second

597
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: generation leapt ahead in a lot of ways, and then

598
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: third generation basically took it and kept going. And this

599
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: was the um generation that really said, oh yeah, that

600
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: that whole like texting, video and pick ers and music

601
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: and all that, that's a really good idea. How can

602
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: we improve on that. So if if the first or

603
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: if the second generation was all about um, you know,

604
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of leaping forward with these bright ideas, the third

605
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: generation was all about like perfecting them. And this is

606
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: where the first smartphones started to come in. Yeah. I

607
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: feel like this is when they were like, you know,

608
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: everyone really loves the Internet, so let's put it in

609
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: your pocket. Exactly because everybody was really super into the

610
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: Internet in the late nineties. Everybody's like, I love this,

611
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: asked Jeeves thing, he knows everything. I love Lotus notes, CC,

612
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: your whatever it is that email application. Like people were

613
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: into the Internet and like this idea of moving it

614
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: onto your phone. It just just seemed like a good

615
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: idea to everybody. Isn't it so weird that we can

616
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: already have nostalgia for early Internet? Isn't it weird that

617
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: there's entire groups of people who are now adults that

618
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: have never lived in a world without the Internet. I know, Hey,

619
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: actually hold on, I need to go get my web van.

620
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: Order order van van that's going on today. They were

621
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: just ahead of their time. Oh yeah, of course, poor guys.

622
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: So UM. One of the big things that allowed like

623
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: the third generation to move everything forward was there were

624
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: um some people working on how to get basically faster speeds.

625
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: And in the late nineties, UM there was something called

626
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: the Third Generation Partnership Project, and they created two things

627
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: that really kind of changed everything, uh, something called wide

628
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: band code division multiple access and high speed packet access.

629
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: And basically these were just ways that figured out how

630
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: to take the information that you were sending, compress it

631
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: and transfer it into smaller pieces, UM so that you

632
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: could transfer more information faster, which is the whole point

633
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: of of moving forward, generally from generation to generation figuring

634
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: out how to move more information or data at faster speeds.

635
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: Because the more you can do those two things, the

636
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: more um connected the world can be, the faster everything moves,

637
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: and that's just basically the steps that we just keep

638
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: taking with each new generation. Yeah. So three G Broaderbound

639
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: brought around a true mobile broadband network, and it really

640
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of set the stage for that first smartphone. Even

641
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: though in the mid nineties we did have the Simon

642
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: and we had p d A S and stuff like that.

643
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: Simon was pretty awesome. Actually it's kind of cool. But

644
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: did you look it up? Oh yeah, okay, I like

645
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: the Simon. I mean it was genuinely the first smartphone

646
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: and it was from had a touch screen for PiZZ sake, Yeah,

647
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: I had an interactive touch screen screen. But in two

648
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: thousand seven, with the launch of that first iPhone is

649
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: when that first big splash was made because of a

650
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: lot of reasons, but one of the biggest was the

651
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: introduction of the app store and apps. And I remember

652
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: the app I mean people still use their apps, but

653
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: at first I remember just all of those dumb apps

654
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: that everyone was just like, look at this super cool

655
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: app that does this really dumb thing that you'll do

656
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: once and then never do again. The laundryminder. Yeah. And now,

657
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: like my apps, I have a lot of them, but

658
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: they're all just useful interactive things like Venmo or my

659
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: Sonos app or my Delta apps, stuff like that. It's

660
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: none of them. Are I feel like that the early

661
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: apps were just kind of dumb? Yeah, for sure. But

662
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's how technology happens. Like somebody has an idea.

663
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: It's not the best idea, but it's a it's a

664
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: proof of concept. And then other people say, oh, that's

665
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: a great idea that in particular was a terrible idea,

666
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: and you need to retire. But we're gonna take your

667
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: idea and convert it into something that people actually want.

668
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: That's how it happens, you know. That's how it happened

669
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: with devices, That's how it happened with the networks. That's

670
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: how I happened with app two. Should we take another break?

671
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take another break, and we'll introduce you

672
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: to a little guy named for Gary right after this.

673
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, okay, we finally reached the present. Actually, sadly,

674
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: because we entered four g um in about two thousand nine,

675
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: we've been languishing in hell there since because we're technically

676
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: still in the four g era, and the four g

677
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: era didn't do a lot except increased speeds, and it

678
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: increased speeds a lot. But that's really basically the finding

679
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: um characteristic between four G and three G. Yeah, it

680
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: was about ten times or is about ten times as

681
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: fast as three G was. Uh. And what this brought

682
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: about kind of the big thing it brought about, aside

683
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: from just transferring pictures and stuff quicker, was you could

684
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: actually finally stream HD uh, like live sports and HD

685
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: movies and stuff like that, if you want to watch

686
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: something like that on your phone, which I never have

687
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: or want to, but a lot of people do for sure. UM.

688
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: And the big technology associated with four G is called LTE,

689
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: which stands for long Term Evolution. Didn't know UM and LTE,

690
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: at least in the U S that's the big four

691
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: G technology. But LTE basically runs on two kind of

692
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: breakthroughs in data transfer technology. Ones called orthogonal frequency division

693
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: multiplexing can get a Glavin please hey. And the other

694
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: one is called MEMO multiple input multiple output, which makes

695
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because basically what it is is

696
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: multiple antennas on your device, say your router or your

697
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: phone or whatever, and it transfers data UH from the

698
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: device and accepts data and coming to the device at

699
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the same time. It doesn't like switch back and forth.

700
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Like do you remember back in the nineties or early

701
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: two thousand's when you could watch data transfer going on?

702
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: If you had something uploading and downloading at the same time,

703
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: you could watch your computers little um a task bar,

704
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: that's not what it's called. What's the thing the bar

705
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: that kind of grows star maybe status bar? Yeah, you

706
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: could watch it flip between uploading and downloading. Well, that

707
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: all went the way of the dinosaur when Memo became

708
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: um prevalent or widespread, because you could do both at

709
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: the same time without sacrificing speed, which made your transmission

710
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: speeds a lot faster. Yeah. So Memo is the human

711
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: centipede of cell phone technologies. I forgot all about that movie,

712
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: Like I literally forgot in my head that that movie existed.

713
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: And it was a good one too. I didn't see it,

714
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: but when I saw multiple input, multiple output, that is

715
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: the very first thing I thought of somehow, huh, oh,

716
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: you should see it, for sure. I think every human

717
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: alive should see Human Centipede at least one time. Every

718
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: human over the age of eighteen. How about this, every

719
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: human that has a phone? Oh boy, so Um, technically

720
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: my daughter has a phone. I gave her my old

721
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: phone just and took everything off but the camera so

722
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: she could take pictures and stuff. Very cute. She's like,

723
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: why is this cracked and you never fixed it? Uh no,

724
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: it's not correct. It actually works pretty well. That's impressive.

725
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: Uh I've seen I honestly, I've never seen a cell

726
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: phone that is not in use anymore that doesn't have

727
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: a crack screen. Oh. Really, well, you should come over

728
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: some time and uh she'll take a picture of you. Okay,

729
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the deal. You can throw it down

730
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: and break it, right, I would be now you're normally so.

731
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: The big advantage of lt E four g l T

732
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: T lt E, of course is capacity, and that is

733
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 1: basically how many, um, how many calls you can serve

734
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: at the same time. And that's a big problem, you know,

735
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: depending on where you are. I remember, even um in

736
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: recent trips in the past couple of years to New

737
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: York and l A, thinking, why do you people even

738
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: have smartphones? Because none of you can use them? It's

739
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: so lame. How slow it is. DCS is pretty bad too, Actually,

740
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: it's just really really slow because there's so many people

741
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: all trying to use data, and I mean on a

742
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: transmission frequency, like there's only so much bandwidth and if

743
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: you you know, out in des Moines doesn't matter, Um,

744
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: nothing matters in des Moines, really, but there's so few

745
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: people who are trying to use it comparatively speaking that

746
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can have relatively good transmission rates. In

747
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: New York they have a huge network, but there's so

748
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: many people trying to use the network it once, it

749
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: just drags the whole thing down, and everybody's Internet is

750
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: really slow for now, for now, because I would suspect

751
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: if it's not already going on, um, New York will

752
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: be among the first cities that are ushered into the

753
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: true bona fide age of five G. Yeah, so that

754
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: the one big thing are actually two things that five

755
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: G is gonna help with. We mentioned capacity. Uh, the

756
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: other thing that four G improved upon that five gary's

757
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: is really going to improve upon is lower latency. And

758
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: latency is that delay when data is bouncing back and

759
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: forth across the network and you want to you want

760
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: to low latency. And four G l T E LTE

761
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: has a latency about forty milliseconds real time is fifty milliseconds,

762
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: and that's what they're hoping that those five garys can accomplish. Right.

763
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: And so the big deal with five G is that

764
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: it uses a completely different range of the spectrum, the

765
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: broadband spectrum, right, So it uses between the thirty and

766
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: three hundred giga hurts range um, and it's called the

767
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: millimeter portion of the spectrum because the wave links between

768
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: those ranges are about one millimeter to ten millimeters, So

769
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: that's why they call it the millimeter wave portion of

770
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: the spectrum. And because there's so much bandwidth between thirty

771
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: and three hundred giga hurts um, you can have a

772
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: channel that takes up something like eight hundred megahurts, right,

773
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: that's a huge enormous channel. And because you have a

774
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: huge enormous channel and you have a bunch of them,

775
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: what that now allows is that huge that big next

776
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: step forward of the same progression, which is transferring a

777
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: whole bunch of information at really high speeds. Again, that's

778
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: the progress of all telecommunications these days. That's where we're going.

779
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: And so this five G change over to the millimeter

780
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: wave spectrum is um is going to allow that. So

781
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: we'll be going from what did you say like tyty

782
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: millisecond latency to something like um less than one second

783
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: for latency, which is that's it's like happening in real time. Basically,

784
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: it's reality UM as if you were standing there watching

785
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: something a foot away, it might actually even be faster

786
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, So I guess the idea there is

787
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: is you can you can send someone a a song

788
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: and it you send it and they get it and

789
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: it's done. Sure. Sure, if you really want to set

790
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: your sights low, Yes, that is what it would do.

791
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: It just sounded like a grandpa. I don't know what

792
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: happened there. You can send a picture of your light

793
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: phone to your neighbor and they'll get it immediately. The

794
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: bad part, or that gets the drawback about those signals

795
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: is they don't travel that far. They travel about eight

796
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: hundred feet. So the idea with five G is uh

797
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: is will have these big cell towers, but then there

798
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: will also be thousands of little tiny while they're not tiny,

799
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: but small low power transmitters um kind of all over

800
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: the place, buildings on rooftops. I guess they'll climb pine

801
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: trees and and nail them in those. But I think

802
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: also remember our episode on the Internet of Things. How

803
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: it's like all made up of sensors and transmitters and

804
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: just stuff that's aboard everything. I think that those will

805
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: also double as transmitters too, So it's kind of like

806
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: you know those mesh networks that you can put together

807
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: with your home router. I got one of those, okay,

808
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: So I think it's basically that, but on like a

809
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: national or global scale, where because of all these different

810
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: sensors and interconnected wireless transmitters, we like everything will have that,

811
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: which means everything will be connected, which means we'll be

812
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: living amongst one big mesh, which means just walking into

813
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: your kitchen will give you COVID nineteen. That's right, And

814
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: I think in about thirty five cities right now they

815
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: have the high band five G as opposed to the

816
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: low band five G, which I think the low band

817
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: is just sort of working off those four G LTE

818
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: tours and the five the high band will be this

819
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: this meshed network I guess, right where where everything is

820
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: connected and because of that incredibly low latency where things

821
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: just are communicating back and forth just faster than you

822
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: can even describe it. Um, we'll have things like that

823
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: genuinely connected Internet of things where everything is constantly monitoring

824
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: everything else in the background, and our our world is

825
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: perfect basically, which actually it sounds funny, but the Internet

826
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: of things is going to be the thing that lays

827
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: the groundwork for an intelligent AI that can run that

828
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: Internet of things for us in the background, and that

829
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: can control things like the weather where the amperature of

830
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: the beach, the water at the ocean, like just stuff

831
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: that we can't even begin to conceive of. That will

832
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: lay the groundwork for that. On the shorter term, we're

833
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna have things like smart roads where your car is

834
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: communicating with other cars so that you just aren't going

835
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: to get in an accident because that low latency and

836
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: ubiquitous connectivity means that that a car will never come

837
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: in contact with another car because they're communicating with one

838
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: another constantly while you're sitting there reading the paper traveling

839
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: in your car. That's a that's good, that will happen

840
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: very soon. That's probably a ten or fifteen year off thing.

841
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: Or you'll just be sitting at home going, oh my god,

842
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Chuck just sent me a song. Oh wait, he sent

843
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: me another song. He sent me another song. Yeah, Or

844
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: augmented reality. There'll be another one. Remember we did an

845
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: episode on that. Yeah, and I was very skeptical and

846
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: always have been about a R and VR kind of

847
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: overtaking the world. Uh. And there's an argument to be

848
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: made that it hasn't yet because something like five G

849
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: wasn't around and those data speeds weren't where they needed

850
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Speaker 1: to be. But I'm still skeptical for the reasons I

851
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Speaker 1: outlined to previously. I think we talked about that in

852
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Speaker 1: the actual episode two, but we did. So you you

853
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Speaker 1: mentioned about about um people being addicted to smartphones, and

854
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, that's a common concern. I think

855
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: Nicholas car back in two thousand nine a really great

856
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: Atlantic article. If you've never read it, go read it now.

857
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: It's called a Google making is dumb leg article and

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00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: that so that article he basically says, like, um, I

859
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: can't remember if we did an episode on it or not,

860
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: but basically he says, you know, we we have changed

861
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: our brains the way we absorb information. It's much more shallow,

862
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: it's much less deep. So yeah, maybe it is making

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00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: a stupid That kind of taps into this idea that

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00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: we've become addicted to our cell phones. Um, not so

865
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: much that they're making a stupid but that they've actually

866
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: kind of rewired our brains in a way so that

867
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: we rely on them to essentially get happiness from that.

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00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: We get it hits of dopamine from things like getting

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00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: a text from somebody that we're hoping for, or hearing

870
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: that we got an Instagram like basically everything you can

871
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: get a push notification for. It's set up so that

872
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: it maximizes whatever hit of dopamine it might release in

873
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: your brain. And just on that very basic level, answers

874
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: the question whether we're addicted to our cell phones or not,

875
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: And the answer is absolutely yes. It's actually designed that way. Yeah.

876
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: And I don't have any push notification set and I

877
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: never I wasn't trying to make some stand against it.

878
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: I just it never occurred to me that I would

879
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: want to know when someone made a comment on an

880
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: Instagram post or whatever people get notifications for, like I'll

881
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: I'll see that stuff when I go to those apps,

882
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: and it's fine, and I get my dopamine reward that way. Um.

883
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: I just I mean, my cell phone just doesn't make

884
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: any noise unless someone's calling me. Or texting me. Um.

885
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: And in fact, I think people should hear what my

886
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: text is. Can you text me real quick? Sure? What's

887
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: your number? Jerk? And I'll just hold it up and

888
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: here's my text tone. Okay, all right, here it comes next. Man.

889
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: Did you hear that was that? Um? Dirk Benedict, No,

890
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: that was me. That's pretty great going text man, but

891
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: great man, Yeah, that's what I hear when a text

892
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: comes through. Uh, and I hear ring, ring, ring ring,

893
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: it's you saying ring ring, yes, in a in a

894
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: British accent. I've got to figure that out because I

895
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: have I have my ring tone on like the regular one,

896
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: and I usually I just have my ringer off all

897
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: the time because I don't like sounds coming from myself

898
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: and um, but when it is on, it's like jacked

899
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: all the way up because I forget to turn it

900
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: down and say I'm mowing the lawn or something like that.

901
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: And you may you may like jumped out of her

902
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: skin yesterday and finally was like, okay, I'm I'm actually

903
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: trembling here. Can we please come up with another ring

904
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: tone for you? So we went over and came up

905
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: with a much more peaceful one. Um, it's just a

906
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: normal ring tone, but it's like, you know, very tranquil.

907
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: It's not like that ringing sound, so it should be

908
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: all good. Now I'm happy to report everybody. Yeah, I've

909
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: got text, man, I've got ring ring And then the

910
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: only other custom when I have is for Emily. Um,

911
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: I just got her to record her yelling baby, so

912
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: whenever a text or a call comes in from her,

913
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: I know it's her. Very nice and so's a ing tones.

914
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Those are great ring tones, Chuck. But just to kind

915
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: of put a button, as they say in Silicon Valley

916
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: on the dopamine hit from your brain at that end

917
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: of itself is an entirely different podcast. I promise, I

918
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: vow we will take up some date because it's definitely interesting.

919
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: It's worth looking into in depth. But in meantime, just

920
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: look up say Tristan Harris and some of the articles

921
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: that were written on him in the last couple of

922
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: years when he was making the news cycle, and it

923
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: will be a pretty good entree into that subject. If

924
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: it floats your boat and you're wondering why you can't

925
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: stop looking at your phone even if you want to. Yeah,

926
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, that's mobile phones. Everybody take it

927
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: or leave it. It was free, so just take it

928
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: and stop complaining. I said, stop complaining. It's time for

929
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: listener mail, which also is free. I'm gonna call this

930
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: UH stalking us, but not really. Hey, guys, been listening

931
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: to a couple of years, and it randomly happened upon

932
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: UH your show one particularly boring day at work, and

933
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: I was hooked. Your funny, charming way of explaining sometimes

934
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: quote boring topics got me through a rough time in

935
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: my personal life and work much happier now with both.

936
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: Although my new job, I don't have as much time

937
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: to listen. I just want to say thanks for being

938
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: those familiar faces during a crappy time. But I was

939
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: listening to the insidious abuse of stalking and I had

940
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: to giggle myself. As I listen to you guys every day,

941
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: I feel as if I know you quite well and

942
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: couldn't help but stock you both on social media. Chuck

943
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: Welcome to Instagram. Thank you Chuck the podcaster on Instagram.

944
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope you don't think I'm a creep,

945
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: but it's nice to see a glimpse into your personal lives.

946
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: I think That's what Instagram is all about, right there,

947
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: for look into my personal life, creeps a little peek.

948
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to your book coming out in November.

949
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: Although slightly pissed I can't get the pre order post

950
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: in the UK yet. I think we just addressed that

951
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: Nat head of this episode, she's drunk, slightly drunk that

952
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: she can't get it. Uh, and can I ask once

953
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: a pandemic is over, you guys come back to England.

954
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: I'd love to take my dad and sister to see

955
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: you guys live. Yes, absolutely, you can see us probably

956
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: four or five years from now, and she says, cheers, Nat.

957
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: Ps keep those pet picks coming on Instagram. Nice Nat,

958
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Um. We definitely will do that. What

959
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: are you at, Chuck the podcaster at Instagram? Chuck the podcaster,

960
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm at josh Um Clark. So you can find us both.

961
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: You can find our pets, you can find a little

962
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: peek into our lives. I'm enjoying it. That too is

963
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: free as as well. Uh and again much appreciated. NAT

964
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: will definitely be over there in the UK again someday

965
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: and Uh. In the meantime, if you want to get

966
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: in touch with us, like Nat did. You can send

967
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: us an email, wrap it up spanking on the bottom,

968
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: and send it off to Stuff podcast at iHeart radio

969
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production of

970
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,719
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