1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephan 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Never told you a production of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Oh and we are coming back talking about dating and 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: it's glory. 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: I guess not really. So we've had a. 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Few episodes about dating and dating sites. Of course, something 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: controversial just happened and that means we have to revisit it. 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: And I feel like a majority of people who are 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: on social media are on any of the dating sites. 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: I already know what we're probably going to jump into. 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: The boy did they put themselves in a bit of trouble? 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: And what's so funny is this is going to be 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: a shorter episode because obviously we're getting real trendy jump 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: on social media controversy. But just the response and the 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: things that are happening with this company. It's very interesting 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: because we've already talked about the fact that dating sites 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: are not as popular anymore. We've been inundated with so 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 2: many types. Now they are all going to subscription base, 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: which is really annoying. Can we We're going to eventually 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: have to talk about why everything's going to subscription Yeah, 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: because they want you to pay forever like this. This 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: scheme is driving me nuts. Yeah, it doesn't make sense 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: because like I was playing a phone game Annie, I'm 24 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: going on a tangent and they have a subscription system, 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: and I was like, wait, what a phone game. I've 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: seen where you have to buy things, which I've gotten 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: myself into trouble, like quit buying. 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: Packages and like packs and stuff, right, but. 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: Now most of some of them have just been like, hey, 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: just pay twenty dollars a month and you can have 31 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: this double access. 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: It was like, what, Yeah, I've been looking at that 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: in terms of what I subscribed you to during the pandemic. Yeah, 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: because we were all isolated and we were all at 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: least for a time, I think it faded away, but 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: for a time we were all trying to We'll do 37 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: virtual video game sessions together, will do virtual watch sessions together, 38 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: and they were all subscription based. Yeah, so some of 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: them I've been looking over and I'm debating, Okay, I 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: really don't need that one anymore. This one I get, 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: I kind of but yeah, that whole. 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: Like I'm very upset anyway, that was a whole different tangent. 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, everything in the subscription systems and dating sites. 44 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: I have been doing this, like Honestly, for the longest time, 45 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: the subscription ones were rare, so match dot Com e Harmony, 46 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: and people didn't use that as much because they were 47 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: that base and you had to do like the multi 48 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: whatever tier, your gold, you're this. Well, then everybody else 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: started jumping on, including Tender, including Bumble, which is what 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: we're talking about. And though yes I still have I'm 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: talking about how which I hate the data system in 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: which they just make money monthly. They do have a 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: free service, and for a long time you were like cool, 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: geared towards women, all these things. Bumble who boasts about 55 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: its system allowing for women to have control when it 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: comes to dating and relationships and even talks about men 57 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: being able to find women who are strong, independent women 58 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: if that's their type, literally says that and some of 59 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: the things in it, and I was like, oh, who 60 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: did this press release? That's not cute, but okay, And 61 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: we have praised them because every now and again they 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: do some things like you know, banning the toxic people 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: men specifically, and those who are predators, like they oftentimes 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: would seemingly take control of that and be like, we 65 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: want to protect the women. The system of the Best 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: Friends or friends finding system, which was newer, or they 67 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: were one of the ones that popularized that the networking, 68 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: so it seemed all cool. And I was looking at 69 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: their social media because there's so many things going on 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: and there's so many confusing things on this. 71 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: But first let's. 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: Talk about their recent ad in one of their for 73 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: their business, which, by the way, their business has not 74 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: been going well. All of the lists that I've been 75 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: looking at for the top five dating sites, they have 76 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: not been included, which surprised me. I honestly thought it 77 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: would be there. The old faithful again Eharmonymatch, dot com 78 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: and even okay Cuban have been on there and with 79 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: some surprises like Zeusk made it on there. 80 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: I was like, oh okay. 81 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: Interesting her which is a queer site for women, so 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: I was like, oh cool, they made it on to 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: some list, but Bumble was nowhere to be found that 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: I could see. And yeah, they had a layoff about 85 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: around thirty percent of their staff around three hundred and 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 2: fifty people recently, as well as a net loss of 87 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: thirty two million in the last quarter of twenty twenty three. 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: They and it's gotten bad. I think he's like forty 89 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: two percent net loss in the last year, so not 90 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: doing well. They are not doing well, but they decided 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: to go down a uh kind of trendy. You know 92 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: how social media people have been praised for being sarcastic 93 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: and off the cuff edgy essentially. 94 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: I guess this is where they were going. 95 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: With this, because, Uh, it was kind of a clapping 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: back at women who have decided not to date. So 97 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: I guess bullying them into dating with billboards saying you 98 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: know full well a vow of celibacy. 99 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: Is not the answer. Who the are you talking to? Bumble? 100 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: Excuse me? 101 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: That statement in itself, the way is phrased, would make 102 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: me want to fight, like. 103 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: Who are you? And why are you in my space? 104 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 3: Shut the up right? Excuse me? 105 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: Oh you say I can't watch me like? That makes 106 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: me want to do it more. And then another one 107 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: that says thou shalt not give updating and become a nun, which. 108 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: Is like an offensive. There's so many things. 109 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: Offensive at this level, like why are you going after 110 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: religion in one way? Why are you using like blasphemous 111 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: speak for people who may be religious, like what the 112 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: what the hell. 113 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: What the hell? 114 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: Indeed exactly, but also that's a very dichotomy. That is not. 115 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: So if I don't want to, I guess I'll Vietnam. 116 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: That's only choice. 117 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm so like isolated in this that there's 118 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: only religion. 119 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: Religion is the only term for me. I don't know. 120 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: But of course, as I have had this visceral reaction 121 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: and you're having this reaction, responses are not are as expected. 122 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: They're not excited, they don't get this. Most of the reactions, 123 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: again were visceral, many trying to figure out whether it 124 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: was a joke and how it even gotten approved, Like 125 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: who the actually looked to see if I could find 126 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: their marketing and advertising person. I did not find those 127 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: numbers or those names, because I want to blast them, 128 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: like what were you thinking? 129 00:06:59,440 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: Was it a man? 130 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: And it has to be a man, some would tell me, 131 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: because it sounds like what a man would say when 132 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: they're rejected, you know, trying to in order to like 133 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: talk you into dating them, Like this is what it seems, 134 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: And this is of course a very heteronormative conversation the 135 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: way I am having it, But that's what it is, 136 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: almost the sexist level of like, excuse me, you want 137 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 2: to do this as pr Daily dot Com put it quote. 138 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: Social media users castigated Bumble for insinuating that people couldn't 139 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: make celibacy a personal choice. Others also read the message 140 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: as supporting patriarchal notions that insinuate women can't make their 141 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: own sexual choices, which was like the underline of like, really, 142 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: why would you? What are you trying to say? This 143 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: is not selling it. Someone was talking about this, you know, 144 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: only leads to hookup culture, which can be toxic in 145 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: itself and really is patriarchal and sexist in a lot 146 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: of ways. 147 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: The reactions have. 148 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: Been quite entertaining a lot of conversations, and we want 149 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: to read some of those off from ink dot com. 150 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: They wrote on x Twitter, for example, one you just 151 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: said they were shocked by the at Bubble ads, saying 152 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: a vow for celibacy is not the answer, and noted 153 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: that in a world fighting for respect and autonomy over 154 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: our bodies, is appalling to see a dating platform undermine 155 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: women's choices. Wasn't this app supposed to empower women to 156 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: date on their terms. Taking a different track, another user 157 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: explained to the brand that asexuality is a sexual orientation 158 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: and advised Bubble to do better. Another commentator wondered if 159 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: Bubble had quote put millions of dollars into the failed 160 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: ad campaign, and questioned, wtf is happening during these ideation meetings. 161 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: I'm not really sure. 162 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: I can't I really I can't imagine what they were 163 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: thinking with these like this is funny, this is gonna 164 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: be this is gonna be real funny. 165 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: Right, everybody's gonna love this. 166 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just feels really out of touch because I 167 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:56,119 Speaker 1: feel like, definitely in terms of the access to reprojective 168 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: rights and abortion right now, it feels out of touch. 169 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: It's all so like we've talked about this before that 170 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: I feel there's a strange thing, and they went about 171 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: even this strange thing in the worst way. But there's 172 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: a there's like a idea that is held that the 173 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: liberated feminist woman must want a lot of sex, and 174 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: so I feel like they were like leaning into that, 175 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: but as you said, they were doing it in like 176 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: the most shame. Something's wrong with you. Let's bring in religion, 177 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: which a lot of people have issues with anyway, right. 178 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: Right, I'm not really sure why they thought condescending was 179 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: the way to go. 180 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you said, it feels kind of bullying. 181 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: It's like, or what you're doing it wrong? Subscribe to 182 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: our service. 183 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: Let's do this. I got you. 184 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: But like, it's funny because a couple of other posts 185 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: like if you go onto any of their social media 186 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: bumble social media, people are angry in writing things. In 187 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 2: one of the comments, it makes a great point when 188 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: they say, run an ad campaign telling men how to 189 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: write better bios, take better photos, how to actually hold 190 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: a conversation and string basic sentence together and not randomly 191 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: bring up sex in the middle of a normal conversation. 192 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: Then men will have more success on your app. This 193 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 2: isn't women's problems to fix. Yeah, again, she's not wrong. Yeah, 194 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: I don't know the numbers though that probably we probably 195 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: could look and see how many men do subscribe to Bumble, 196 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: and there are may be more men than women at 197 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: this point, and that might be the problem. But yeah, 198 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: if you don't, if you really want men to be 199 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: enticing for women or people to be enticing for women 200 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: as in general, but this very head normative idea, then 201 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: you might want to teach how to do this right. 202 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is a really a good point 203 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: because it is placing it and That's always been the 204 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: thing with bumble right is you know, women take the 205 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: first move, which has its pluses and minuses, but this 206 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: is like really putting it on. There's no. 207 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: Right weirdly too, So this happened, and then two days 208 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: ago we're going to talk about their apology. On their site, 209 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: they had a like they're having a crossover promotion with 210 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: several of the influencers that's wearing a shirt that says 211 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: exhausted with like you know the old school paintings, you know, 212 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: how they become memes of a woman like lounging and 213 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: in these people who are influencers who have been working 214 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: with mumbled to cross promote, but exhausted and tired and single, 215 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: Like I feel like they're telling you what's wrong, exhausted 216 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: and tired of dating and single? Like I feel like, yeah, 217 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: you're doing the like, how are you doing both of the. 218 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 219 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: I think you understand what they're trying to say, right, 220 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: and you're trying to put okay what Yeah. 221 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 3: So it's very like. 222 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: They're they're advertising is oh thoroughly confusing. As in fact, 223 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: they've been trying to do these new things recently and 224 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: it hasn't been successful Another article written in today dot 225 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: Com writes a sense removed video ad posted to x 226 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: Twitter on April thirtieth was also part of the campaign. 227 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: In it, a woman joins an all female religious group, 228 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: but later it becomes infatuated by a shirtless man shrimming 229 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: the hedges. That night, another woman gives her a phone 230 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: with a bumble loading. The first woman then leaves the group. 231 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: In the text reads, we've changed so you don't have to. 232 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: What are you doing? Bumble? That's so bizarre, Like. 233 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: We're gonna help change your mind. Like it's such a 234 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: weird trope. 235 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like here's this. 236 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: With this whole religious group thing. 237 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: Hot shirtless man give up what I must assume might 238 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: be a pretty serious decision. You may be a nun. 239 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: You don't just become a nun. There can be drama 240 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: behind it, for sure, but you don't just become a nun. 241 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: And this article goes on. Many critics of the ads 242 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: have said they minimize the variety of reasons people, especially women, 243 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: may choose to be celibate. And again, this also brought 244 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: out the whole four B movement, which we have talked 245 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: about repeatedly. It has grown, y'all like people are actually 246 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 2: taking this seriously to the fact that men are getting mad. 247 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 2: Men from the US Western culture are getting mad at 248 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: this whole ideal and saying things like you're gonna be 249 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: alone and sad, and we've already talked about how funny 250 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: that is, and you're like, I don't think you understand 251 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: what makes us sad. Being alone isn't necessarily yet you 252 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: can't be don't get me wrong, but that's not necessarily 253 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: the whole reason about what's. 254 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: Going on today. 255 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: Dot com decided to add some more Bumble needs to 256 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: back off and stop trying to shame women into coming 257 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: back into the apps run as targeted at men, telling 258 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: them to be normal once again. You can date whilst 259 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: being celibate, So it makes no sense anyway. You're enforcing 260 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: a male entitlement to our bodies, which I think is interesting. 261 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: And then they say, Bumble doing a campaign attempting to 262 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: shame celibacy accidence is an unserious way to tell the 263 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: public y'all are nervous. It's also a very offensive way 264 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: to tell your female customers that you're profiting off of 265 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: their legs. 266 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: Being open blunt to the point. 267 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was kind of like. 268 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: Y'all don't need all that. 269 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: No, you really really don't. As you said, and we've 270 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: discussed before, there is a lot of dating apps are 271 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: hemorrhaging there game crisis, but there are reasons for that 272 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: that we've talked about that are well known, and it 273 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: is a lot of like predatory male behavior or just 274 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: like a waste of your time. You go through so 275 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: many profiles and you're like, okay, this guy this no good, 276 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: no good, no good. So yeah, this does feel like 277 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: it's leaning back on very patriarchal ideas of women. Your 278 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: time is running out. You want the man, right, like, 279 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be abstinent what that would be. You 280 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: don't want to be a frud You've got to get 281 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: them in so right, not addressing the real issues, right, yeah, right. 282 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: That's I think that again, that's a big point of 283 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: what they're saying, what many of the critics are saying. 284 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: Of course, realizing that they may have made a mistake, 285 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: but they they did make an official apology and this 286 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: is what they wrote on their on their different social 287 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: media posts to our beloved Bumble community, we made a mistake. 288 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: Our ads referencing celibacy would attempt to lean into a 289 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: community frustrated by modern dating, and then, instead of bringing 290 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: joy in humor, we unintentionally did the opposite. Some of 291 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: the perspectives we heard were from those who shared that 292 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: celibacy is the only answer when reproductive rights are continuously 293 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: restricted from others for whom celibacy is a choice one 294 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: that we respect, and from the asexual community, for whom 295 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: celibacy can have a particular meaning and importance which should 296 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: not be diminished. We are also aware that for many, 297 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: celibacy may be brought on by harm or trauma. For years, 298 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: Bumble has passionately stood up for women and marginalized communities 299 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: and their right to fully exercise personal choice. 300 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 3: We didn't live up. 301 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: To these values with this campaign, and we apologize for 302 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: the harm it costs. So here's what we're doing. We're 303 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: removing these ads from our global marketing campaign. Bumble will 304 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: be making a donation to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, 305 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: among other organizations, as a part of our ongoing efforts 306 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: to support the work being done around the world to 307 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: support women, marginalized communities, and those impact by abuse. We 308 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: will also be offering these partners this billboard space to 309 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: display an ad of their choice for the duration of 310 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: our reserved billboard time. Please keep speaking up and telling 311 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: us how we can be better. We care about you 312 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: and it will always be here for you with love 313 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: and sincere appreciation. 314 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 3: Bumble. 315 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: So they're trying to come through with fixing things. I 316 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: guess that's the way we can say. Of course, the reaction. 317 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 3: Not so forgiving. 318 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: One of the responses were but they are still not 319 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: getting it. It's not only about reproductive rites or asexuality. 320 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: For many women across the country, is because dating straight 321 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: men has become just not at all worth the time 322 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: and effort it takes because men are not held to 323 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: a higher standard regarding empathy, emotional intelligence, maturity or communication. 324 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 2: We are exhausted, which is one of the shirts they 325 00:17:55,119 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: have on there, and being celibate is easy then dealing 326 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: with a dumpster fire that is trying to date as 327 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: a straight woman, to be honest, regardless of age. This 328 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: ad campaign was in such poor taste, especially because they're 329 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: supposed to be advocating for women and not exploiting them 330 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: to the lower standards from the atrocious hookup culture. 331 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: Do better, Bumble. So they were not happy. 332 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: So many of them were like you know the celibacy 333 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: community isn't pressed. We didn't ask for your allyship. You 334 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: dressed these ladies as nuns to insinuate that celibate women 335 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: are recluse and limited. 336 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: We aren't. 337 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: We are actually happy over here. Really, I really appreciated 338 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 2: that one. Another one wrote, only sorry because you were 339 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: losing customers and they are losing customers. And then another 340 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: one wrote, you didn't lean into a community. You leaned 341 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: into the feelings of men. You had no regard for women. 342 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: You made it a woman's problem to fix the lack 343 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: of sex men are having. How about addressing why women 344 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: are not interested in having a relationship with men. Maybe 345 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: you tell the men to fix themselves instead of the 346 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: mean to give in do better. 347 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 3: I think that's that's pretty powerful statement. 348 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, well that's exactly what happened. And whether 349 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: or not they thought it was funny or who thought 350 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: it was that was right on point. You made it 351 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: a woman's problem to fix the lack of sex men 352 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: are having, which is something that is continually being said 353 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: and it is a big proponent of rape culture. On 354 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: top of control, like this ownership that men have over 355 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: women and that they are owed sex. 356 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: Yes, which we've also discussed a lot before. That is 357 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: extremely detrimental, especially when you're younger and you're trying to 358 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: figure out things that you like and wants, and then 359 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: this pressure, this pressure comes in to do like if, oh, 360 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: if I don't have sex with him, he'll leave right, 361 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: He'll find someone else. So even if I don't want it, 362 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. This actually stirred up a 363 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: memory for me too. I uh once was with two 364 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: dudes that one of them I later found out like, 365 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: had a big crush on me. I didn't know this 366 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: at the time, but he said he was celibate, and 367 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I just was like, yeah, okay, And that guy we 368 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: were with was like, oh, that's cool, and he asked me. 369 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I've had sex, and he's like, oh. 370 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: But I feel like if I'd said I was celibate, 371 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: he would have also. But with the guy, he just 372 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: was like, oh cool. But for me, as a woman, 373 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: he felt like, oh oh no. He felt very ready 374 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: to weigh in on that situation because he had had 375 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: sex for sure, but not me. Not cool. 376 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: Oh, I think you're cool. Thanks. 377 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: It's just weird that we put that on women. It's 378 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: like it comes the have you had sex in you're slut, 379 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: But if you haven't had sex, well you're. 380 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 3: None, right and you must be miserable. 381 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: All right, and you're unhappy quote unquote, which is again 382 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: such an odd statement, Like there's so many we've gotten 383 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 2: so far, like you have said, from women be liberated 384 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: to if you're not liberated, then you are stunted and 385 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: oppressed and unhappy. 386 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: Right, And it's really unfortunate because I think that if 387 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: you want to have consensual sex, totally support you shouldn't 388 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: be judged for it. Should be should be able to 389 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: use an app and feel safe. That would be great. 390 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: If you don't want to that should also be okay. 391 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: But I feel like we've really reduced it into an 392 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: either or that is not healthy. 393 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: Right. 394 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: You could be a liberated woman who's like I actually 395 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: not into sex. 396 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: That's fine, that's good, that's your choice. That's the conversation. 397 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: And it's kind of to this level of it's such 398 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: a weird level of like feminists and anti feminists, like 399 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: it's being used as both. 400 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I've had a lot of I've had a 401 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts about this lately. I want to come 402 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: back and do this even though it's going to make 403 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: me really mad. But I've seen that happen a lot 404 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: recently in politics, where usually white women, conservative white women 405 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: are using feminist terminology now that they once never would 406 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: have but now they're using it and be like, oh, 407 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: you won't let me speak because I'm a woman, and 408 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, the rules are it's not. 409 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 3: Your term to speak, that's the rule. 410 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: So I do think there's something that's happening that's a 411 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: flattening of what femine and intersexual feminism is right, and 412 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: it's concerning me, and honestly it is. 413 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: I think there's the bigger conversation is that we we 414 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: need to remember. I think we're so caught up in 415 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: fighting about feminism. M that's the best perspective is like 416 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: intersectionality is different. Like I wish we could we came 417 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: in the episode talking about how feminism was a bad 418 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: word and it's just now being misconstrued, not feminism in 419 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: its theory and what it is, but like. 420 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 3: Of who is using it and why? Yes, and I did. 421 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to look it up because again that conversation 422 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: is like why are you telling women that they need 423 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: to have sex, that you're not going to be able 424 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: to do this type of thing. Interestingly, in twenty twenty three, 425 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: the gender ratio goes male to female three to one. 426 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: There's only thirty four point seven users that are female 427 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: or that are women for Bumble as of twenty twenty three. 428 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 2: So this is not the way. Why would you You've 429 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: lost so many of your main people, why would. 430 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: You do this, right, especially because they've gone away from 431 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: this now. But it was, Yes, women had to reach 432 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: out first. 433 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 2: I think they they still do technically, unless maybe they 434 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: have like the premium. 435 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: I think pretty recently. Oh really, they've gone away from it, 436 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: and it could be because of those numbers. 437 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: That might be why. Yeah, because I don't know what 438 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: the like. 439 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: Maybe it is a different tier. I'm not sure, but 440 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty sure they've gone away from women have 441 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: to make the first move, which was their whole thing. 442 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: And it would make sense if me like a third 443 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: of their users are women. 444 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: Right, right, So looks like they have different Bumble boosts 445 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: versus premium, and that's significant if you want to get 446 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: the premium for your for life, which is really sad. 447 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: Hey maybe you just want to date maybe, Okay, that's right. 448 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: So I'm sorry. 449 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but if you're trying to get in here 450 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: for relationship relationships and that's that, I'm sorry. But it's 451 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty nine to ninety nine for lifetime 452 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: subscription for Mumble Premium, which apparently allows you see who's 453 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: already liked you, advanced filters for your feed, It gives 454 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: you incognito mode, and travel mode lets you change locations. Wait, 455 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: they don't let you do that now. 456 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 3: I used to be able to. 457 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: I don't know. 458 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: Oh man, I used to be able to ten years ago. 459 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: It's been a minute. 460 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: I have ever dated anyone off that one though. I 461 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: never could make the move. 462 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Honestly, I would have a tough time making the move. 463 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: Which is a lot of people have talked about that too, 464 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: that are like, you know, it's a great idea, but 465 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: sometimes it's just doesn't work that way, Like if people 466 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: are too shy, girls don't know how to start, like 467 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: all of those things. 468 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: Well again, also, if the dating online dating community is 469 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: so toxic, then yeah, I'm nervous it's going to be 470 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: somebody who's going to send me a ticic. I mean, 471 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: right immediately, I think I never had that. I can't 472 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: I think I just have that face. Don't pull me. 473 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: It's a face a lot in this episode. But yeah, 474 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: like it's it's I'm actually surprised. I thought it would 475 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 2: be the other way around, or at least even but man, 476 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: three to. 477 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 3: One, that's significant. 478 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you run these ads like you need to. 479 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: I don't think you understand. Why are you doing the 480 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: push and pull thing? Who do you have on your 481 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: advertising team? 482 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 3: Is it the dudes at the hookup dudes? Because this 483 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 3: is bad? Like? What really? What were you thinking? 484 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, knowing this now, I think they're thinking, as 485 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: some of the other users pointed out, they're losing a 486 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: lot of money, They're losing a lot of users. Maybe 487 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: we'll go back to things that's tried and true, patriarchal 488 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: methods that people have used before. But try to dress 489 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: it up as some weird, weird empowerment message that it's 490 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: definitely not. 491 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 3: There's so many things, there's so many things that I 492 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: have questions about. But yes, I think. 493 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: At least they are giving that space to other I 494 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what space they have used 495 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: it for. I haven't looked that far into it. Outside 496 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: the controversy and their apology which was given two days ago, 497 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: or today's May sixteenth, twenty twenty four. So I guess 498 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: like May fourteenth is when they decided, oh yeah, we 499 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: sicked up. 500 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: Here we go. 501 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: As I'm looking at their social media posts in general, 502 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 2: like nothing, nothing is a standout outside of yeah, the 503 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: fact that they had no they have several influencers having 504 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: that exhausted T shirt on. 505 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 506 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, because like this one influencer, she 507 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 2: wrote in her caption Exhausted Girl Summer at Bumble wake 508 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: Up Call. Maybe it's telling them to wake up and 509 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: stop being exhausted. It doesn't play doesn't sound good, It 510 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: doesn't play into what I think. 511 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: No, that does not sound good. 512 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: Single, fabulous and exhausted from the dating scene wake up call. 513 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: If you're single and fabulous and exhausted, then. 514 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: Why do you want to put yourself from the dating scene. 515 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: Sounds like you're good. It sounds like you're great. You 516 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: look good. 517 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: And the shirt this influencer looks great. I think her 518 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: name is Tessa. She looks amazing. But yeah, like it, 519 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: I'm baffled in the slip that they have. I'm not 520 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: really sure Again, they did not think this through again, 521 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: I have not seen maybe these posts were up up 522 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: on social media. I think they were only billboards from 523 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,239 Speaker 2: what I gathered, they just ended up spreading wide and 524 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: far did not go well. They forgot that social media 525 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: was a thing and going viral is not necessarily great. 526 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it. 527 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: Makes me sad to see something that was women empowering 528 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: at the beginning owned by a woman who went through 529 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: her own stuff at Tinder, did her own thing, was 530 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: making money doing her little thing, and then it comes 531 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: to this and being like, yeah, you're just like every 532 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: corporation that we've seen. You want our money, you want 533 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: women to build you up and hold you up, but 534 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: when it comes to caring for the women, you do 535 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: minimally and then just crash and burn. 536 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: So it seems, yeah, it's a very status quo type 537 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: of add because I've been thinking about this too, about 538 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: gender dads, and like we've moved on from these, haven't. 539 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: We can't, we we don't need to do this anymore, 540 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: but people are still doing it because it worked once 541 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: upon a time, but now we're yeah, things are going 542 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: viral and we're having opinions about it and it's not 543 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: working like it used to uh and still companies. If 544 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: I feel like they rely on it, they rely on 545 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: that structure, that kind of patriarchy. 546 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: You've got to. 547 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: Pay for it women or else right, you'll never get 548 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: a man. Oh dear, oh no threatened me with a 549 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: good time. 550 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: J I would be interested to know if the usage 551 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: has actually gone down, because the numbers that I'm seeing 552 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: are not showing that necessarily, but it's consistently showing that. 553 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: It's mainly more men than women, and. 554 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: As in fact, a Pew research article talking about it 555 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: said women who have used online dating platforms in the 556 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: past year twenty twenty four are more likely to feel 557 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: overwhelmed by the number of messages they get, while men 558 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: are more likely to feel insecure about a lack of message. 559 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: So I feel like, I feel like for anybody who 560 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: is trying to think of what to do, like if 561 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: they're trying to make money and looking like at apps 562 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: and sites, they need to put these in consideration, Like 563 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: they need to think about how this is vetted. And 564 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: I think there are some that we have seen that 565 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: have done better with that, but then they've changed because 566 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: they weren't getting enough influx. And again, none of these 567 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: are sponsors obviously. 568 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: Not speaking very highly of. 569 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: Them, so but none of them are really sponsors. But 570 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: I know that coffee meets bagel. Their intention was only 571 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: giving you a FeMn at a time. Maybe that has changed, 572 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: and then I feel like hinged with something similar where 573 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: you're supposed to know at least someone that they know, 574 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: and that has changed too. I think cans become a 575 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: little more popular since they first started, but I know, 576 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: like the original intents were different, so I feel like 577 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if they just weren't making enough, or 578 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: they're trying to catch up to Tender, which was always 579 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: been a part of the hookup culture, so they have 580 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: their own thing again, but it's mainly men. 581 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like so many companies. It makes 582 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: me sad because I'm like, what you started out as 583 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: I liked, and then capitalism really got the clause in 584 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: and you became moved away from that. But it is 585 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: ultimately an issue of rape culture and dating culture, and 586 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: it's isolating and sad because I feel like people do 587 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: want to get together, but reasonably women don't feel safe 588 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: and men then feel and secure hurt. They're not getting 589 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: any right messages or nothing compared to what women are getting. 590 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: But that's that's how it is. So your billboard is 591 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: not gonna help, all right, we don't try to change 592 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: right situation. 593 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, coming back to the Pew research, it says 594 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: younger women who have used dating sites or apps stand 595 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: out for experiencing unwanted behaviors on these platforms. It goes 596 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: on to say a majority of women under fifty who 597 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: have used dating sites or apps, fifty six percent say 598 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: they have been sent explicit sexually explicit messages or images 599 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: they didn't ask for, and about four in ten have 600 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: had someone continue to contact them after they said they 601 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: were not interested. That was about forty three percent of them, 602 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: or have been called an offensive name that's thirty seven 603 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: percent of them, and roughly one intent of this group, 604 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: eleven percent have received threats of physical harm. But yeah, 605 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: so you see, like one in ten have received threats 606 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: of physical harm. Are you kidding me? 607 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's unreasonable to expect anything from an 608 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: online dating encounter in the beginning stages other than let's see, 609 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: if maybe I'm interested, right, I don't think that should 610 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: like any rejection from that if it's politely like, hey, 611 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm not interested, that should not be a threat of violence. 612 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: It should not be like I'm going to send you 613 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 1: a dick pic anyway. It should not be like that's 614 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: how relationships work. You don't just like. 615 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: You do. 616 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 3: You have a little bit of a back and forth. 617 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: First, right, right, I mean if she asks you, if 618 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 2: they ask you for it, sure go for it. Is 619 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: cold consent, right, you do you? But outside of that, 620 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: what And that Pew research paper was actually twenty twenty three, 621 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: so it's a year old, so who knows, because like again, 622 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 2: I haven't seen much since then. I don't see much 623 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: since then. I'm sure our new one will come out 624 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: if it hasn't already, and I. 625 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 3: Just had seen it. 626 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 2: But the fact that that at least half the women 627 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: like half like under fifty, which is the majority of 628 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 2: people like. It's gotten more popular for fifty and over, 629 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: but for a chunk of the people and users, they're 630 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: under fifty typically, And to have to deal with that 631 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: constantly and then have this kind of ad that really 632 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: shames women for say they don't want to have sex. 633 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: Excuse me, yeah, absolutely, especially when the exhausted part is 634 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: part of their campaign. 635 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 3: Seemingly no women are saying they're exhausted. But you want 636 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 3: to add this to their you want to lame and guilt? Okay, cool, cool, cool. 637 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: Turn it on them like they're not trying hard enough 638 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: or something. It is on you that you're exhausted, actually, and. 639 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 3: You should do this more right, whether you want to 640 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 3: what's cowarts? What? 641 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I had not heard about this until you 642 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: brought it to my attention, but it is quite a. 643 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: It's a buzz around my my FYP and I was like, 644 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: this is this is not real? I really thought it 645 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: was a joke at first. It's like, that's not true. 646 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 3: That's nice. 647 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: I had to make sure because it was around April. 648 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 2: I was, I guess this this is still like an 649 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: older April fool one. 650 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: What's happening? Yeah? 651 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: And then just the last bit, I did see a 652 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: see in an article where it says Tender downloads are falling, 653 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 2: but the dating app era isn't over yet, so they 654 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: are falling. They apparently fell by at least eight percent 655 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 2: from last year to just below ten million users, so 656 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: they're declining. Like we kind of knew that was going 657 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 2: to happen. We kind of knew it was happening. The 658 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 2: peak times were twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen, it looks like, 659 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: which is an interesting time so on I guess I 660 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: was on it then I was one of those. Twenty 661 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 2: twenty had that increase as well. Not surprising, but yeah, 662 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: it is pretty significantly lower, definitely the lowest it's been 663 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 2: since twenty fourteen. 664 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talked about that a little bit in 665 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: the recent ISH episode we did about what's going on 666 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: with online dating, and in that episode we a lot 667 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: of people, especially younger people, cited exhaustion, like just being 668 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: tired with it. But you mentioned that there's been a 669 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: growth in matchmaking, and after you said that, I started 670 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: to see that in a long places. So I do 671 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: want to come back and look at that. 672 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's fascinating. Like again, I've realized different 673 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: cultures still use matchmaking and have used it for a 674 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: long time. I know South Korea actually does. It is 675 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 2: a big industry and I didn't know this un till later. 676 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 2: I thought that was a K drama thing. But I 677 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 2: mean again, I think that there's this conversation of like 678 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 2: matching in the socioeconomic status wise, so they have this 679 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 2: level of matching. Again, I feel like that's so outdated 680 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 2: but I'm not rich, and no one tried to set 681 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: me up with a rich person, So maybe that's why 682 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 2: I didn't know about it. Personal experience does not apply here. 683 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: Right, Right, That's why I'm interested in it because I've 684 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: only heard about it in usually rich circles, right, But 685 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: I did see it come up in a lot of 686 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: articles that we're talking about. People are tired of online dating. 687 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: They're turning to matchmakers. So I would love if any 688 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: listeners is willing to share stories. Yeah, I would love 689 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: to know more about it, because I mean, that's truly. 690 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: The sad thing about a lot of this is I 691 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: have so many friends who want to find that person, right, 692 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: and they're doing they're doing the thing. And for a 693 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: lot of people, online dating is very convenient, but it 694 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: comes with this risk. It comes like all dating does. 695 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: But it to me, like hearing those numbers and hearing 696 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: some of the stories my friends have told me, I 697 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: just hate that it comes with this risk. 698 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 3: Right. 699 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: But you're just trying to find like happiness and someone 700 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: to have companionship with in one and ten you might 701 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: get threatened with violence, that's right. 702 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 2: That's that's a fifty to fifty chance that you're going 703 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 2: to get dick pic. Yeah, that's actually harassed and that 704 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 2: you're going to be stopped like this. These are not 705 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 2: good numbers. 706 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: No, And it makes me so mad when like usually 707 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: men get mad and they're like women won't they never 708 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: come out and day it won't do this? Why here 709 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: you go? 710 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 3: You're the prime example. Again. I still go back to 711 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 3: that one. 712 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: Dude. 713 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 2: It was like, I know, girl, like you don't date 714 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: me as is like opener and I was like what correct, well, 715 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 2: all right, definitely not kind of define, not kind of 716 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 2: respond black black block, right, I don't know why you're threatening. 717 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 3: Me, like it's gonna be like, oh, he's so attractive. 718 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 2: I love when they're automatically mad at me for existing. 719 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 3: Right. I didn't solicit solicit this, none of this. I 720 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 3: didn't say hey to you, I cruise by. I don't know. 721 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean once again, like with said normal interaction, you 722 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: would at least like hey, right, it's it's upsetting and baffling. 723 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 2: That's upsetting, yes, and it's worse when companies don't recognize 724 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 2: that this can be upsetting. 725 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 726 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: It's very limited, a very limited view that was on 727 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: display with this advertising campaign, and it was not a 728 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: good one. 729 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 3: Nope, this was not this was not this was nice? 730 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 3: Was hard? Not it? 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