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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the new season of she Pivots. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Emily Tish Sussman. I'm so excited to be
Speaker 1: launching season two with Vice President Kamala Harris. I remember
Speaker 1: when the email hit my inbox that I'd have the
Speaker 1: chance to interview the vice president and it was the
Speaker 1: dream of a lifetime. I immediately called my team, we
Speaker 1: started plotting. We had a few obstacles. It needed to
Speaker 1: take place more than a thousand miles away in Minneapolis, Oh,
Speaker 1: and we had to interview her in just thirty six hours.
Speaker 1: We booked flights, prepared for the interview, tried to remain calm.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, this wasn't my first time interviewing powerful
Speaker 1: political women. In my previous life, my pretty pivot. I
Speaker 1: was all in on politics. I started my career working
Speaker 1: on the repeal of Donas Dontell, I worked on the
Speaker 1: Obama campaign, and I worked as a vice president in
Speaker 1: one of the top think tanks in the country. But
Speaker 1: having kids and working at all hours, it wasn't working,
Speaker 1: and eventually I had to make the choice to pivot.
Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, and to this day, I still question
Speaker 1: if leaving behind my old career was really the right move.
Speaker 1: Still I keep a toe in appearing on countless cable
Speaker 1: news shows as a political correspondent, joining us now to
Speaker 1: discuss Democratic strategist Emily titch Sussman and political dissture with
Speaker 1: you and just kind of get your reaction of what
Speaker 1: we heard handle Emily titch Susman is a democratic strategist,
Speaker 1: Joe Walsh and interviewing so many incredible women like Stacy Abrams, Speaker,
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, and the HRC. That was cool. It's been
Speaker 1: a whirlwind of ups and downs, and through it all
Speaker 1: I began to redefine my idea of success. So I
Speaker 1: started this show She Pivots as a way to bring
Speaker 1: stories of women like me who have changed career paths entirely,
Speaker 1: or explored new roads and then found their way back.
Speaker 1: It's that exact mentality that I wished we embraced more.
Speaker 1: There's always tomorrow, There's always something new, and maybe even
Speaker 1: something better than you ever could have imagined. When I
Speaker 1: was preparing for my interview with the Vice President, I
Speaker 1: realized her story is at the crux of what this
Speaker 1: show is all about. On paper, there's no question that
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has achieved success, but the real success is
Speaker 1: taking on the challenge of the pivot and occupying spaces
Speaker 1: so many people told her that she was not welcome in,
Speaker 1: she always took that next step, rising to the occasion
Speaker 1: to meet the needs of those around her. Pivoting is
Speaker 1: many things, but pushing the envelope and finding new determinants
Speaker 1: of what success means to us and been making that
Speaker 1: change is essential to this show. Welcome back to she
Speaker 1: Pivots Vice President. Kamala Harris has been in public service
Speaker 1: for several decades, ever since she started her career as
Speaker 1: a young prosecutor in San Francisco with a ninety percent
Speaker 1: conviction rate. Superstar prosecutor. Kamala Harris made history when she
Speaker 1: was elected California's first African American female district attorney. She
Speaker 1: then set her sights on statewide office and announced her
Speaker 1: run for Attorney General of California. Then in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: she announced her run for the Senate, launching her into
Speaker 1: the national spotlight. After her short success in the Senate,
Speaker 1: she announced her candidacy for president in January of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: And that's why we are here today. And that's why
Speaker 1: we are here today. I stand before you today to
Speaker 1: announce my candidacy for President of the United States. Fast
Speaker 1: forward a few months into twenty twenty. The COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: pandemic was at its peak and the country was grappling
Speaker 1: with a racial reckoning, and Joe Biden had to announce
Speaker 1: his running mate, promising to select a woman. The decision
Speaker 1: was delayed and delayed again, with reports swirling that he
Speaker 1: would choose Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer over Harris, But eventually,
Speaker 1: on August eleventh, twenty twenty, Biden announced that he had
Speaker 1: chosen Kamala Harris as his running mate. The presidential candidate
Speaker 1: Joe Biden has made his choice. NBC News is confirmed
Speaker 1: that Biden has picked California Senator Kamala Harris to be
Speaker 1: his running mate. First of all, is the answer yes?
Speaker 1: The answer is absolutely, And I am ready to work.
Speaker 1: I am ready to do this with you, for you.
Speaker 1: The Biden Harris ticket one in November twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris was inaugurated as the first female black Asian
Speaker 1: American Vice president in United States history on January twentieth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. We did it, Joe, You're going to
Speaker 1: be the next President of the United Dave. Is a
Speaker 1: historic moment of verse to administer the oath to our
Speaker 1: first African American, our first Asian American, and our first
Speaker 1: woman vice president, Kamala Harris. It is my great privilege I,
Speaker 1: Kamala Davy Harris, do solemnly swear by Kamala Davy Harris
Speaker 1: issmly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution
Speaker 1: of the United States. Threw every up and down. She
Speaker 1: stepped into each role knowing that she could impart change
Speaker 1: and have a real lasting impact on people. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to understand the catalyst that set her up on
Speaker 1: that path to the White House. She started by telling
Speaker 1: us a story about how one of her high school
Speaker 1: friends inspired her into the work. Was there a moment
Speaker 1: in your life that you thought, Yes, this is the
Speaker 1: thing that is going to change my perspective, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it. One of my best friends in
Speaker 1: high school, while we were in high school, I learned
Speaker 1: that she was being molested and I immediately said to her, well,
Speaker 1: you have to come live with us. And I called
Speaker 1: my mother and I was like, Mommy, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she has to come live with us. And so she did,
Speaker 1: and I learned what it was and just one the
Speaker 1: horrendous nature of what was happening in terms of the
Speaker 1: act itself, but also the effect and which is you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many layers to it, but the powerlessness that
Speaker 1: also is a part of it, that that one is
Speaker 1: rendered to feel as though they are powerless in many ways.
Speaker 1: That was one of the reasons I became a prospers,
Speaker 1: which is was born out of a feeling that you know,
Speaker 1: you have to right certain wrongs and address certain injustices
Speaker 1: and protect people who are vulnerable and deserve the autonomy
Speaker 1: of their bodies and their life. Vice President Harris has
Speaker 1: never backed down from a fight, something she said she
Speaker 1: learned from her mother. My mother had two goals in
Speaker 1: her life to raise her two daughters and to end
Speaker 1: breast cancer. So she was a breast cancer researcher, and
Speaker 1: you know, one of the few women as a scientist,
Speaker 1: and the few women of color. And my mother was
Speaker 1: always fighting for the right for women to have dignity
Speaker 1: in the healthcare system. But she really she saw so
Speaker 1: much that was about the disparity in terms of the
Speaker 1: treatment of women, taking them seriously, giving them dignity through
Speaker 1: the process. So from my earlier stages of growth and development,
Speaker 1: I was aware of this issue and cared about it.
Speaker 1: And then you know, through my career as a prosecutor,
Speaker 1: the vast amount of my work and priority was on
Speaker 1: crimes against women and children and so and then the
Speaker 1: Dobbs decision came down. The Supreme Court has reached a
Speaker 1: decision on the landmark Roe v. Wade case. The ruling
Speaker 1: is on a case called Dobbs versus Jackson Women's Health Organization.
Speaker 1: It's Mississippi and hyperbole suggests a very solemn moment. Today,
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of the United States expressly took away
Speaker 1: a constitution right from the American people that had already recognized.
Speaker 1: They didn't limit it, they simply took it away. And
Speaker 1: I was actually traveling out of side of DC, and
Speaker 1: as as soon as it came down, I actually called
Speaker 1: my husband and I just I was in an absolute
Speaker 1: you know, I knew it was going to come because
Speaker 1: of the leaked decision, but it was still unimaginable that
Speaker 1: it actually happened. You know that the highest court in
Speaker 1: our land, the United States Supreme Court, took a constitutional
Speaker 1: right that had been recognized from the people of America,
Speaker 1: from the women of America. So much about the progress
Speaker 1: of our nation when we have tracked it has been
Speaker 1: measured by the expansion of rights, and now we are
Speaker 1: saying an intentional restriction of rights. What is that saying
Speaker 1: about the trajectory and the direction of our country. There's
Speaker 1: so much at stake with this seemingly one issue that
Speaker 1: actually is chock full of issues that should concern us.
Speaker 1: My girls are and four, and I think about them.
Speaker 1: They were my thought when the Dobs decision came out,
Speaker 1: and I think about the fact that they're growing up
Speaker 1: with fewer rights than what I had with fewer rights
Speaker 1: than their grandmother had. What connects you to bring you
Speaker 1: into this fight? Well, like you, our twenty three year
Speaker 1: old daughter will have fewer rights than my eighty one
Speaker 1: year old mother in law, and they're both acutely aware
Speaker 1: of it. I understand why it is important when we
Speaker 1: are looking at this issue because you see where the
Speaker 1: state has laws that can protect individual rights. We would
Speaker 1: want and hope as patriotic Americans that the person who
Speaker 1: has the power to enforce those rights and protect those
Speaker 1: rights will value and appreciate their responsibility. In states where
Speaker 1: they're criminalizing healthcare providers, don't doctors, nurses. Health care providers
Speaker 1: are being criminalized with laws that are being proposed and
Speaker 1: passed that would literally put a healthcare provider in jail.
Speaker 1: On this issue, what is going on? So who is
Speaker 1: in Congress to your point of federal, state, and local
Speaker 1: really matters. We have to look at it in terms
Speaker 1: of what are we doing to and so this is
Speaker 1: part of how we've been addressing it, is to ddress
Speaker 1: it in terms of really deconstructing the issue. We have
Speaker 1: to recognize how much is at stake for everyone in
Speaker 1: our country. I read the decision including Clarence Thomas's words,
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas said the quiet part out loud. He literally said,
Speaker 1: this opens up the next steps, which are to re examine,
Speaker 1: which means question, which means attack as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: the right to contraception and the right to marry the
Speaker 1: person you love. So let's bring everybody together though, because
Speaker 1: we are picking up there was a movement that started
Speaker 1: that culminated in Roe v. Wade, like you were saying,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about and we can talk
Speaker 1: about our family members, our mothers, grandmothers. It is now
Speaker 1: our responsibility, all of us to pick that movement up
Speaker 1: and to take it to the next step. This rally
Speaker 1: in Denver, Loverbody, this one in Louisville, just a few
Speaker 1: of many demonstrations happening across the US, with more planned
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Abortion whites, some with very personal reasons
Speaker 1: for showing up. And I know that there's will effect
Speaker 1: work in class black women and people more than anybody else.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned what's at stake. There's so much
Speaker 1: at stake. We've talked about a lot of it here
Speaker 1: and a lot of the issues that are coming up,
Speaker 1: like it's not it's we're seeing them in a lot
Speaker 1: of the same places. So what are you seeing from
Speaker 1: your perspective? As Vice President, I have now met either
Speaker 1: directly in person or by phone with one hundred world leaders.
Speaker 1: My staff has been counting presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings.
Speaker 1: And the thing about those meetings is that when we
Speaker 1: walk in those rooms representing the United States of America,
Speaker 1: we walk in those rooms chin up, shoulders back with
Speaker 1: a certain level of authority to talk about the significance
Speaker 1: of democracy, the importance of rule of law, the importance
Speaker 1: of human rights, freedom of the press. But what comes
Speaker 1: with that is also the fact that everyone here will
Speaker 1: understand and know, which is we then hold ourselves out
Speaker 1: to be a role model. The thing about being a
Speaker 1: role model people watch what you do to see if
Speaker 1: it matches what you say. So thinking then about the
Speaker 1: issue of this moment of our discussion, which is what
Speaker 1: the courts just did and dabs. One of my great
Speaker 1: fears is that autocrats around the world can then look
Speaker 1: at their people and say, you want to talk about
Speaker 1: these rights, you want to talk about your United States
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Speaker 1: Some show me how that when I was preparing for
Speaker 1: this interview, it was clear to me that the Vice
Speaker 1: President wanted to stay focused on the issues. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: explore a different side to her. And although she was
Speaker 1: focused on taking action and resolving issues, she was in
Speaker 1: fact relatable. I remember the specific moment when she talked
Speaker 1: about the Venn diagrams. So among the many things that
Speaker 1: I like, I love vendiagrams. You know the three circles.
Speaker 1: I love vendiagrams. I just like, just throw it into
Speaker 1: a Venn diagraph. I will tell you everything you need
Speaker 1: to know about any issue, especially where there is you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to understand the intersection and the connections, right,
Speaker 1: So I asked my team to prepare a ven diagram
Speaker 1: for me and the challenge I gave them is tell
Speaker 1: me from which states we are seeing an attack on
Speaker 1: women's reproductive health, from which states are we seeing an
Speaker 1: attack on voting rights, and from which states are we
Speaker 1: seeing an attack on LGBTQ rights. The three circles of
Speaker 1: the ven diagram showed a significant overlap of the states
Speaker 1: where all three restrictions of rights were happening, and this
Speaker 1: moment also became somewhat of a viral sensation. What that
Speaker 1: also tells us is there is an incredible opportunity for
Speaker 1: coalition building, right for bringing in all the folks that
Speaker 1: have been fighting for reproductive health rights and maternal health rights,
Speaker 1: all the folks who've been fighting for voting rights, all
Speaker 1: the folks who've been fighting who successfully fought for marriage
Speaker 1: and now we still have a lot of work to
Speaker 1: do in terms of trans rights and everything else, but
Speaker 1: bring everybody together. At what point did you think I
Speaker 1: can make a bigger impact in a bigger stage When
Speaker 1: I ran for DA one of the reasons I ran
Speaker 1: was because the incumbent hadn't and there should have been
Speaker 1: a whole division set up to deal with child sexual assault.
Speaker 1: There needed to be greater attention being given to the
Speaker 1: issue of Domestic Violence. Vice President. Harris was born as
Speaker 1: the daughter of an interracial couple in the sixties. Her mother,
Speaker 1: who was an accomplished breast cancer researcher, had met her
Speaker 1: father through the civil rights movement, so basically action was
Speaker 1: in her blood. So it was kind of the same idea,
Speaker 1: which is, okay, well, I'll do it right, and I
Speaker 1: mentor a lot of people because when I ran, there
Speaker 1: had never been a woman. This is San Francisco, California,
Speaker 1: with all of the reputation it has, there'd never been
Speaker 1: a woman. There had never been a person of color.
Speaker 1: When I was elected DA of San Francisco, I was
Speaker 1: the first black woman to ever have been elected any
Speaker 1: DA of anywhere in the state of California. Thirty eight
Speaker 1: year old Kamala Harris came out of nowhere and was
Speaker 1: swept into office of San Francisco's District Attorney. And as
Speaker 1: she did, she made history. She was the first woman
Speaker 1: ever to be the city's top prosecutor, and she is
Speaker 1: the first African American in such a job ever in
Speaker 1: the state of California. Most important things don't come easy,
Speaker 1: So it's not going to be a cake wak. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, and so you can
Speaker 1: imagine when I decided to run and I took on
Speaker 1: an incumbent, the number of people that said to me, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're not ready for you. It's not your time. It's
Speaker 1: going to be hard work for bride. And I didn't listen.
Speaker 1: And with all of the people that I mentor, I
Speaker 1: say them. I just had a group of students actually
Speaker 1: yesterday that I was talking with and I said, look,
Speaker 1: don't you ever hear no unless And then they were
Speaker 1: a little younger, so I said, unless it comes from
Speaker 1: your parents, but don't ever hear no that it can't
Speaker 1: be done or no one like you did it. And
Speaker 1: then I have this thing I say, you know, look
Speaker 1: I eat no for breakfast. I have to admit one
Speaker 1: of the many reasons I left my career in politics
Speaker 1: was due to burnout. Not only were the hours unsustainable,
Speaker 1: but the emotional weight felt heavy. It's something I know
Speaker 1: that many of us experienced after twenty twenty, so I
Speaker 1: wondered how she kept going through it all. The first
Speaker 1: political thing I ever did was I was in college
Speaker 1: during the March for Women's Lives and I went down.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go down with my mother and
Speaker 1: my grandmother. And as I was on the way down,
Speaker 1: we went to go pick up my grandmother and my
Speaker 1: grand so we are literally passing it along, and my
Speaker 1: grandmother said, oh, I've marched enough. It's your turn, right,
Speaker 1: So you know. But there's also there's a quote that
Speaker 1: all I paraphrase all the time, and I will do
Speaker 1: that here from Kreta Scott King who famously said the
Speaker 1: fight for civil rights, which is again, it's the fight
Speaker 1: for justice and equality, freedom. The fight for civil rights
Speaker 1: must be fought in one with each generation. And I
Speaker 1: think there are two points to that. One is it
Speaker 1: is the nature of it all that whatever gains we make,
Speaker 1: they will not be permanent. So the second point then
Speaker 1: is therefore understanding it is the nature of it all,
Speaker 1: do not be overwhelmed, do not be tired, Do not
Speaker 1: throw up your hands when it's time to roll up
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Speaker 1: hat here and ask you how you must be exhausted,
Speaker 1: Like how do you keep going? Do you have like
Speaker 1: a routine here? Like, what do you do. I work
Speaker 1: out every morning, all right, no matter how much sleep
Speaker 1: I get, I just have to. It's for me. It's mind,
Speaker 1: body and spirit and just But it's not I mean,
Speaker 1: just half an hour on the elliptical usually that's when
Speaker 1: I catch the morning news. I love to cook when
Speaker 1: I have the opportunity and the time to cook, it's
Speaker 1: just so therapeutic. And you know, you got to work
Speaker 1: stuff out. You just chop, chop, chop, chop chop. Who
Speaker 1: are you envisioning on that shopping board. As we began
Speaker 1: to wrap our interview, it was important to bring in hope.
Speaker 1: Well gives me hope? Is our willingness to fight for
Speaker 1: this country that we love. That gives me hope. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you why there is so much
Speaker 1: about this issue again, all of the layers to this issue.
Speaker 1: That the fact that this is about as much as anything,
Speaker 1: our democracy and the state of our democracy. And I
Speaker 1: think that I think of democracy as being there are
Speaker 1: like two sides to it. There's a duality to it.
Speaker 1: On the one hand, when the principles upon which our
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Speaker 1: it is extraordinarily strong and the power it gives the people.
Speaker 1: The duality is that, on the other hand, it is
Speaker 1: extremely fragile, this democracy. It is only as strong as
Speaker 1: our willingness to fight for it. What gives me hope
Speaker 1: is I know we are prepared to fight for it.
Speaker 1: That gives me hope. We're not gonna let it go,
Speaker 1: Madam Vice President, Madam Lieutenant Governor. This has been i'd say,
Speaker 1: my favorite live episode of she pivots. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: and thank you for having us. Thank you all, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Vice President Harris continues to work every day on behalf
Speaker 1: of the American people. She's made problems solving the through
Speaker 1: line of her career, pivoting her spotlight back to the
Speaker 1: issues that matter to Americans over and over. From her
Speaker 1: work advocating for women for the LGBTQ plus community, reducing
Speaker 1: black maternal mortality, gun violence, prevention, healthcare, and more. She's
Speaker 1: always led with action, and as she treads fearlessly into
Speaker 1: the unknown, she leaves behind a legacy that will lead
Speaker 1: to a better future for people like my daughters. I
Speaker 1: think this tweet by at Katie Rogers sums it up perfectly.
Speaker 1: Quote Kamala Harris continues to make room for herself, sometimes literally,
Speaker 1: The administration ordered a new desk chair to fit her
Speaker 1: because no one thought about a five to two woman
Speaker 1: holding the VP role. It was a true honor to
Speaker 1: interview the Vice President for the season premiere of She Pivots.
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