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Speaker 1: Pushkin.

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Speaker 2: This series includes content that may not be suitable for

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Speaker 2: all listeners. Listener discretion is advised. Previously, on Valley of Shadows,

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Speaker 2: he said, look.

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Speaker 3: If you go forward with this, Deputy x Y and

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Speaker 3: Z are going to know exactly what's going on, So

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Speaker 3: you got to protect her.

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Speaker 1: What's the image on the back?

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Speaker 4: Hits that peg with porns?

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Speaker 5: She heard her a friend who she refused to name,

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Speaker 5: that Deputy Alogy was jogging near the punch Bowl when

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Speaker 5: he came across Deputy ingles meth lab and was killed.

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Speaker 5: Word on the street has been that Deputy Ingles has

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Speaker 5: been involved with drugs for a very long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's pretty pretty frightening.

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Speaker 1: This is the perfect fire, by the way, and the

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Speaker 1: perfect beer, Thank you, ma'am. We're in the Angelus National

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Speaker 1: Forest near the Devil's Punch Bowl, and this time we're

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Speaker 1: camping out here. The stars are incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's one perk of it being so

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Speaker 2: freaking dark out here.

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Speaker 1: We've pitched our tents at a campground in Big Rock Canyon.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the last places where John A. Jay

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Speaker 1: was spotted. A campground employee saw him jogging through the

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Speaker 1: campground between six and eight pm, the nightie disappeared. Yep, okay,

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Speaker 1: But the real reason I wanted to take you out

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Speaker 1: here is because this is also the location of another

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Speaker 1: noteworthy sighting.

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Speaker 2: Was Bigfoot standing no more than one hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: From my blind.

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Speaker 5: I began to shake all over.

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Speaker 1: He was boss, this is going to a sasquatch expert.

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Speaker 1: This is where Bigfoot hangs out when he's migrating from

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Speaker 1: the Pacific northwest to Mexico.

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Speaker 2: So you lured me out here. Have you set up

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Speaker 2: the tent and now we have to sleep.

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Speaker 5: Out here the Bigfoot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh my god. Okay. For decades, campers and hikers

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Speaker 1: have reported seeing a sasquatch creature in the forested areas

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Speaker 1: near the Devil's Punch Bowl, and one of the first

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Speaker 1: sightings in these parts happened on April twenty second, nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 1: It was a night much like this week. Three young

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Speaker 1: drinking beer just like we're doing. They hear some rustling

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Speaker 1: pack up all their stuff, hop in their truck, and

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Speaker 1: after He starts chasing after the truck. His huge harry

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Speaker 1: arms are just like swinging around. Big Foot chases people.

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Speaker 1: Not only does he chase people, but he's twelve feet tall,

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Speaker 1: so he probably can't run pretty fast. God okay, and

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Speaker 1: then he just disappears behind the tree line and like

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Speaker 1: down on the canyon. Stay with us. We promise we're

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Speaker 1: not jumping the shark. Ear. There's a reason we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Bigfoot. So the three guys go straight to the

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Speaker 1: La County Sheriff's station. They file a police report. But

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Speaker 1: that's not all. My friend or printed out a picture

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Speaker 1: of the three guys who saw Bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, Brian Golder, jarb Willie Romerman and Rick Engles.

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Speaker 2: Is this though, Rick Engles?

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Speaker 1: The reason we're wrapping about Bigfoot is because one of

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Speaker 1: creature was Rick Engles. He would go on to become

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Speaker 1: an La County Sheriff's deputy, basically the sheriff of Pear Blossom.

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Speaker 1: And he's the guy some informants say was running the

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Speaker 1: meth lab near the punch bowl.

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Speaker 2: Wow, he's got some major seventies vibes going here this

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Speaker 2: like rolled up plaid shirt, longish hair.

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Speaker 1: He looks like the browny Man mixed with like David Hasselhoff.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Here he's like clutching a Bigfoot cutout that looks like

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Speaker 2: it's just cobbled together from card.

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Speaker 1: And some primer pains.

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Speaker 2: It's yeh.

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Speaker 1: Since nineteen seventy three, there have been dozens of stories

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Speaker 1: of the Anelope Valley, adding to the legend of the

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Speaker 1: Majave Bigfoot Bigfoot I witnessed Deputy Rick Engles would become

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Speaker 1: something of a legend himself. Local residents say he was

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Speaker 1: an oversized presence in the punch Bowl area, an evasive

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Speaker 6: Rick Angles ran that desert count of pere Blossom and

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Speaker 6: they looked the other way. But then when it comes

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Speaker 6: a whole different ballgame.

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Speaker 1: Chris Turk says the word around town was that Deputy

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Speaker 1: Bigfoot Angles was behind John Aujay's disappearance.

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Speaker 6: Do I believe what I heard on the streets? Yes,

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Speaker 6: do I believe Angles is a dirty cop? Absolutely lutely.

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Speaker 1: These rumors make their way to homicide Detective Larry Brandenburg

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Speaker 1: and Narco Detective Darren Hager during their Auja investigations. But

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Speaker 1: how much of these stories are fact and how much

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Speaker 1: or fiction? Are they just local lore or is there

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Speaker 1: evidence to back up the claims? Are you fucking kidding me?

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Speaker 5: What the f was that?

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Speaker 1: That's the beast we're chasing down. I'm holding your hand.

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Speaker 1: What the motherfuck is that? Oh my god, I'm never

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Speaker 1: gonna sleep. I'm Betsy Shepherd, I'm Haley Fox.

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Speaker 2: And this is Valley of Shadows, episode five, the Legend

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Speaker 2: of Bigfoot Homicide Detective Larry Brandenburg, here's a deputy Rick

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Speaker 2: Angles was busting meth labs in the Antelope Valley to

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Speaker 2: take out his competition. He also hears he was involved

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Speaker 2: with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 5: People make suit upout cops all the time. If he's

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Speaker 5: busting a lot of drug dealers are going to talk

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Speaker 5: look bad. But we couldn't just ignore it. At least

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Speaker 5: I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Brandenburg finds himself in a tight spot. If he investigates

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Speaker 2: Deputy Angles as a murder suspect and he's proven innocent,

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Speaker 2: he'll catch hell from his colleagues. If the allegations against

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Speaker 2: Angles are true, then the La County Sheriff's Department.

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Speaker 1: Will catch hell.

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Speaker 2: But Brandenburg needs to ensure that Angles is on the

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Speaker 5: Dirty cops are really to be afraid of because they

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Speaker 5: walk around with immunity pretty much. Imagine what the few

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Speaker 5: people that may have known about this sting. They're like, hey,

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Speaker 5: if don't fucking kill Op and Berry, what are they

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Speaker 1: So he gets to work, But I said, you know.

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Speaker 5: Rick Ingeles deserves two things. We need to clear his

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Speaker 5: name or if he's guilty, then we need to frickin,

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Speaker 5: arrest his ass and prosecute.

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Speaker 2: Brandenburg burns through shoe leather, knocking on doors, interviewing contacts

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Speaker 2: he gets from NARCO Detective Darren Hager.

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Speaker 5: Rick Ingle's name starts coming up more and more and more.

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Speaker 2: Then he interviews a woman busted for meth near the

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Speaker 2: METHI Clause and Richard Carroll, the guy who owned the

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Speaker 5: Miss said that Hinkel and Carol were good friends. In

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Speaker 5: addition to Carrol operating and meth lab honest, probably he

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Speaker 5: said Dipty Ingles would visit Hinkel while driving his black

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Speaker 2: Fearful Brandenburg starts to have doubts about a hanging out

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Speaker 2: with convicted felons or anyone with a reputation for criminal

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Speaker 2: behavior is specifically prohibited by LASD policy. But the thing is,

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Speaker 2: angles was no typical deputy. He was the resident deputy.

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Speaker 7: The idea is that you have a police officer, in

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Speaker 7: this case, deputy who is a local resident. That was

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Speaker 7: one of the requirements is they have to live within

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Speaker 2: This is Vince Burton, retired LASD sergeant and founder of

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Speaker 2: the Outlaw Pigs biker Club. Burton says the resident deputy

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Speaker 7: You're the town sheriff in the old fashioned West where

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Speaker 7: You're the guy that's the law for the area, and

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Speaker 7: you know a lot of the bad guys.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of the guys.

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Speaker 7: That are criminals and are skirting the law.

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Speaker 1: You know everybody.

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Speaker 2: And for more than twenty years, Rick Engles worked as

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Speaker 2: this pseudo town sheriff, overseeing Pear Blossom, the town of

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred near the Devil's Punch Bowl. Burton says the

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Speaker 2: resident deputy is like a community police officer, but there

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Speaker 2: are some crucial differences. The resident deputy is a one

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Speaker 2: he says, angles developed relationships with local criminals to keep

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Speaker 7: All the deputies knew that if there was a bad

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Speaker 7: guy they were looking for in that area, go talk

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Speaker 7: to Rick.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 7: Chances are he probably knew him and knew his house.

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Speaker 4: And where he lived. He just a community guy, born

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Speaker 2: Rick Engles lived in the Antelope Valley for most of

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Speaker 2: his life. He was a rodeo rider and as a

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Speaker 2: boarding horses. So it's fair to say Ingles was an

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Speaker 2: was for the La County Sheriff's Department. He earned his

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Speaker 2: stripes working patrol in the Antelope Valley and then in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, Vince Burton hired Angles for the resident

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Speaker 1: What about his resume impressed you?

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Speaker 7: The fact that he lived there, the fact that he

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Speaker 2: The department gives Angles everything he needs to be a

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Speaker 2: self contained unit, a patrol car, a police radio, and

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Speaker 2: a supervisor breathing down his neck. He's not even required

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Speaker 2: about a forty minute drive from Paar Blossom. So Angles

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Speaker 7: They would literally roll on their vest, throw on what

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Speaker 7: they call ray jackets, put on a gun belt, brabber radio,

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Speaker 7: jump in their car and go there.

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Speaker 1: But Brandenburg notices something that doesn't square with that whole

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Speaker 1: resident deputy line. If Angles is the department's local expert

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Speaker 1: and go to a guy for all things, pair blossom,

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Speaker 1: why didn't he show up at the punch Bowl when

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Speaker 1: John A j disappeared?

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Speaker 5: He never wants volunteered to help in this search.

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Speaker 1: Angle's name is noticeably absent from the LSD sign in

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Speaker 1: sheets that were collected over the six day search.

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Speaker 5: Everybody else in the Animal Valley, even guys that were

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Speaker 5: off duty, went up there and volunteered, not getting paid.

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of people were scouring the park in search of

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Speaker 1: the missing deputy, but not the one sheriff's deputy who

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Speaker 1: knew the punch Bowl like it was his backyard and

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Speaker 1: it was practically Angle's backyard.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let me get him a Barry shot of this, Matt.

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Speaker 5: Here's the punch bowl right here, and Ingles lived right here.

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Speaker 5: This is how close it was.

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Speaker 1: The park was only four miles from his house. He

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Speaker 1: hiked in the punch Bowl, knew its trails, and knew

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Speaker 1: the criminal terrain too. So one would expect Angles to

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Speaker 1: offer assistance to help the search grid or lead a

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Speaker 1: group of volunteers through the park.

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Speaker 5: This guy never showed up. He lives right by there.

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Speaker 5: That's strange to me.

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Speaker 1: I asked au Jay's old boss, retired at LESD, Captain

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Speaker 8: Angles never went to the search and never searched for

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Speaker 8: John OJ, and he knew John OJ. They knew each other.

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Speaker 8: I mean there is no doubt they knew each other,

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Speaker 1: When Brandenburg cares about Angle's absence from the search, that's

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Speaker 1: when he leans in and thinks there may be something

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Speaker 1: he calls up NARCO detective Darren Hager and asks him

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Speaker 3: With exact words, can you ask him if there's any

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Speaker 3: dirty deputies. I'm like, yeah, if you won't, So I

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Speaker 1: Brandenburg and Hagar schedule will follow up interview with Keith

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Speaker 1: to tap him for more info and see if Angles

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Speaker 5: You said that he received the information that Ingles was

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Speaker 3: And the relationship was that they had their own little

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Speaker 3: enterprise out there in Para Blossom, and it was narcotic sales,

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Speaker 1: Hagar is stunned by what he's hearing because he knows Angles.

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Speaker 1: They'd cross paths in the Analog Valley, were friendly, had

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Speaker 3: The deputy in question I always thought was a hardcore

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Speaker 1: But then when Hager scans through angles track record, a

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Speaker 1: pattern emerges. Over the course of his career, Angles busted

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Speaker 1: upwards of twenty meth labs, but there were plenty that

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Speaker 1: he didn't bust.

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Speaker 3: Certain major players were never touched by Deputy Ingles. They

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Speaker 3: were big dealers. So why were certain people constantly getting

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Speaker 3: arrested by Ingles? But this other group, nothing ever happened

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Speaker 3: to him that raised a red.

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Speaker 5: Flag to me.

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Speaker 1: One of the untouchables was Tom Hinkle. Hager thinks that's

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Speaker 1: pretty suspicious because Hinkel's place was a whirlwind of meth

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Speaker 1: activity and it was just two miles from Deputy Angle's house.

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Speaker 3: It's like, are you kidding me? You can't smell this?

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Speaker 3: Why wasn't this ever taken down?

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Speaker 1: And then Hager remembers a peculiar encounter he once witnessed

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Speaker 1: Hager was still a working patrol. There'd been a bombing

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Speaker 1: in Pair Blossom that left a woman dead and her

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Speaker 1: the site directly to Hinkle's house. Angles and Hager were

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Speaker 1: both dispatched to the scene. Hager says that as they

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Speaker 3: Can I go, that's awfully odd. We got a homicide

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Speaker 3: followed the tire track straight to this guy's house. And

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Speaker 3: Ingles goes, I know this guy go up there. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: you're the boss, this is your area.

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Speaker 1: Hagger didn't think too much of it at the time,

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Speaker 1: but given the rumors he's hearing about Angles, he sees

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Speaker 1: it in a new light and wonders is Angles protecting Hinkle.

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Speaker 1: He only knows a one lab that Angles busted that

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Speaker 1: was linked to Hinkle, and that was the one on

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Speaker 1: Rick Carroll's property near the punch Bowl. But Angles didn't

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Speaker 1: really take down the lab. The operation was organized by

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Speaker 1: the California Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement.

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Speaker 3: The lab was empty, it was gone.

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Speaker 1: Hager suspects Angles knew about the raid in advance and

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Speaker 1: helped clear out the product beforehand.

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Speaker 8: It's easy to police somebody you don't know, but it's

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Speaker 8: hard to police somebody that you grew up with, especially

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Speaker 8: if they're doing something wrong.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bauer thinks that corruption is all but inevitable when

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Speaker 1: a resident deputy is policing his friends and neighbors.

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Speaker 8: Say, Resident Deputy programs creates a little chief of police

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Speaker 8: in an area, and that person has no supervision.

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Speaker 1: And the line between law enforcement and law breakers becomes blurred,

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Speaker 1: like the photographic evidence of Bigfoot.

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Speaker 8: In other words, it's not safe, not because of criminals,

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Speaker 8: it's not safe because of law enforcement, and there's nothing

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Speaker 8: worse than that.

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Speaker 2: A couple months into his investigation, Brandenburg is working at

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Speaker 2: his desk when the phone rings. It's from the Sheriff's

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Speaker 2: department in Cerrn County, just north of La County, and

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Speaker 2: they're calling about an inmate they have in custody. This

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Speaker 2: guy who will call Roger has told them he has

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Speaker 2: information about the missing deputy.

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Speaker 5: And so we drive up Turn County Jail that day

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Speaker 5: to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: Roger is supposed to be sent back to La to

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Speaker 2: face some outstanding warrants, but he's terrified to cross back

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Speaker 2: over county lines.

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Speaker 5: Bigston. I can't go to La County Jail. I can't

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Speaker 5: go there. They're gonna kill me. They know I know

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Speaker 5: this stuff.

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Speaker 2: The witness is due to be transferred to La County Jail,

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Speaker 2: which is run by the La County Sheriff's Department, which

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Speaker 2: he's terrified of because of what he knows about auj.

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Speaker 5: We can guarantee your safety in our jail, yes, but

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Speaker 5: aside from now, we haven't promised to nont deals don't have.

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Speaker 8: To be there.

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Speaker 1: Roger starts telling the detectives what he knows.

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Speaker 4: I know that Tom if with Bob with meth labs.

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Speaker 4: They catch that through our go get it from.

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Speaker 9: All the time.

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Speaker 2: And he tells Brandenburg what happened when he went to

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Speaker 2: buy myth from Tom Hinkle back in June of nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety eight, around the time AUJ disappeared.

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Speaker 9: I went to go purchase some methaphetamine for a friend.

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Speaker 2: Roger admits that he's a longtime meth user, but on

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Speaker 2: this particular occasion, he says he was just buying drugs

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Speaker 2: to resell to some friends. He was in his early

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Speaker 2: twenties at the time, and this side hustle was a

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Speaker 2: way to make some party money.

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Speaker 4: I was just charge a little bit more so I

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Speaker 4: can have extra money for like cigarettes, video games, I read,

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Speaker 4: and go out to eat. And at the time I

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Speaker 4: was at Tom Nichol's house. Par was poll numb to

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Speaker 4: his drive and Tom.

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Speaker 9: Hickl told me to go sit in the other room.

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Speaker 4: When I went to the other room, I've heard how

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Speaker 4: the dawing Ingles, Tom said, and ingleses, how's the doing,

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Speaker 4: old man?

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Speaker 9: And I don't know anybody named Ingles. I never heard

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Speaker 9: that name before.

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Speaker 4: All this way, I remember it from a little house

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Speaker 4: of the Prairie Ingles.

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Speaker 2: Roger says he's never heard the name Ingles before except

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Speaker 2: from Little House on the Prairie, which was written by

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Speaker 2: Laura Ingalls Wilder.

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Speaker 9: Now at that point, did you know who this Ingles

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Speaker 9: guy is? No? I just thought he was a crooked

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Speaker 9: or somebody there to make purchase off.

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Speaker 2: Though Brandenburg keeps rewinding Roger in his story, betting claims

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Speaker 2: asking him to explain further.

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Speaker 9: But you sure there was another party? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Because I heard his voice, Because I heard like they

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Speaker 4: already must have known each other because with how.

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Speaker 9: We're going, they shook hands.

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Speaker 5: How do you know they should kids?

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Speaker 4: Because by the slap and it was like the hide

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Speaker 4: five and all that. How they did their head not

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Speaker 4: a traditional handshake. Now was like, yeah, did you hear

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Speaker 4: any other noises? I heard, like Tom boor Tom David,

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Speaker 4: like they were he was the police coast.

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Speaker 5: So you think you're in a police skin?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom four and Tom David are police call signs

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Speaker 2: for traffick units. Brandenburg says specific details like that are

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Speaker 2: ones you look for in witness testimony.

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Speaker 5: Who're thinking this kid don't know what that shiit me?

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Speaker 5: He ain't making that up. I don't think it just

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Speaker 2: And these details match the testimony of the woman who

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Speaker 2: told Brandenburg that Deputy Angles would visit Hinkle in his

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Speaker 2: muffled and distant, but he still catches fragments of what

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Speaker 2: they say.

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Speaker 4: Ingle said he took care of his loose hands and

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Speaker 4: on that, and thanks for the bag of lie that

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Speaker 4: draft from.

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Speaker 2: Tom Hinkle, Rogers's Deputy Angles thanked Hinkle for the bag

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Speaker 2: of lie.

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Speaker 4: And I know lies used for pie composure because we

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Speaker 4: did that, Tom Horse.

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Speaker 2: All that lie is a corrosive chemical that speeds up decomposition.

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Speaker 4: I heard about the riverbed with the Joshua tree, and

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Speaker 4: they say that nobody's going to ever find it.

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Speaker 9: What they did, they loo the lie and all that.

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Speaker 2: At first, Roger thought this whole interaction was just odd.

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Speaker 4: Ingle's asked if there's anybody else there in the house

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Speaker 4: with built.

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Speaker 9: And he goes no.

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Speaker 2: Hinkle lies and says, no one else is there.

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Speaker 4: But I was in the room, and that's when I

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Speaker 4: I got a friend here.

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Speaker 1: So Roger begins to think he's heard something he shouldn't have.

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Speaker 1: And then about a week later, when he's watching TV,

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Speaker 1: he sees a news story about an LA Sheriff's deputy

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Speaker 1: that's gone missing in the Devil's punch Bowl. And that's

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Speaker 1: when the real panic sets in because Roger realizes he

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Speaker 1: might witness to something he wants no pardon. He goes

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Speaker 1: to his mom's house to fill her in. He tells

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Speaker 1: a stepdad and a roommate, and even writes about it

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Speaker 1: in his journal, the.

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Speaker 4: Black journal that says diary on it the really looks

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Speaker 4: like a girl's diary as a gut it from my mama.

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Speaker 1: Roger tries to forget about the whole thing, but then

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Speaker 1: about a year later, he's arrested on a minor drug charge.

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Speaker 1: He gets out a few days later and finds a

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Speaker 4: Then when I got out, I've seen a death threat

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Speaker 4: on my doorstep.

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Speaker 9: Describe this depth threat as you call it, and said

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Speaker 9: your rat, You're going to be count like this like

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Speaker 9: a rat. And there's a dead.

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Speaker 4: Rat on my step with the knight threat with about

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Speaker 4: four inched old kinder bubnight.

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Speaker 1: Roger says he has no idea who left the threat,

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Speaker 1: but he assumes it has something to do with what

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Speaker 1: he overheard at Tom Hankle's house, and it scares the

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Speaker 1: shit out of him.

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Speaker 4: I took it as serious as I. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to die something that alcohol know about. Okay, that's some

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Speaker 4: fifty pieces I heard. So what did you do?

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Speaker 9: Then? I packed my ship and I left. I took

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Speaker 9: off by the What about? Even told my mom I

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Speaker 9: hitchhiked all had paintings field.

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Speaker 1: And that's it. Roger says he's telling Brandenburg everything he remembers.

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Speaker 9: I just want to be honest. I just want to

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Speaker 9: get the dance.

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Speaker 4: I just want to basically go home being for my mom.

439
00:25:43,011 --> 00:25:46,171
Speaker 9: Okay, that's going to include the interview going on.

440
00:25:46,371 --> 00:25:54,971
Speaker 1: Taking Roger picked up some damning keywords like lie, taking

441
00:25:55,011 --> 00:25:59,491
Speaker 1: care of loose sends no one will ever know, and

442
00:25:59,651 --> 00:26:00,651
Speaker 1: the angles.

443
00:26:04,451 --> 00:26:06,971
Speaker 2: Let's say it was angles. Can you think of any

444
00:26:07,051 --> 00:26:09,251
Speaker 2: legitimate reason for this interaction?

445
00:26:10,091 --> 00:26:12,691
Speaker 5: No, not with a guy like that. I mean, that

446
00:26:12,811 --> 00:26:18,171
Speaker 5: guy's a documented dope dealer, meth cooker, and he makes bombs. No,

447
00:26:18,451 --> 00:26:20,850
Speaker 5: I can't imagine why a deputy sheriff would be at

448
00:26:20,851 --> 00:26:22,571
Speaker 5: his house unless he's there to arrest him.

449
00:26:23,931 --> 00:26:27,971
Speaker 1: Brandenburg talks to homicide Captain Frank Merriman fills him in

450
00:26:28,011 --> 00:26:31,531
Speaker 1: on his investigation, but Merriman blows him off.

451
00:26:32,371 --> 00:26:35,411
Speaker 5: Well, that's tweet your talk. Tweet your talk. Like you

452
00:26:35,451 --> 00:26:37,771
Speaker 5: guys are crazy. They're not to do this shit, Okay,

453
00:26:37,891 --> 00:26:38,610
Speaker 5: all right, all right.

454
00:26:38,651 --> 00:26:43,411
Speaker 1: Frank Merriman says it's just a rumor cooked up by

455
00:26:43,491 --> 00:26:48,371
Speaker 1: meth users. But for Brandenburg, drug use and reliability aren't

456
00:26:48,411 --> 00:26:49,610
Speaker 1: necessarily at odds.

457
00:26:50,531 --> 00:26:52,771
Speaker 5: When you talk to somebody, you're watching them. You're watching

458
00:26:52,811 --> 00:26:55,211
Speaker 5: their eyes, you're watching their body language, you're watching how

459
00:26:55,251 --> 00:26:59,571
Speaker 5: they move and everything. So we kind of found him.

460
00:26:59,891 --> 00:27:01,971
Speaker 5: This kid might be credible. He was scared. He was

461
00:27:02,011 --> 00:27:02,891
Speaker 5: scared to death.

462
00:27:04,451 --> 00:27:09,931
Speaker 1: Brandenburg ultimately believes Roger because his motivation for come forward

463
00:27:09,971 --> 00:27:13,131
Speaker 1: seemed legit. He was so afraid to go to jail

464
00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:15,211
Speaker 1: in La County. He was in tears.

465
00:27:16,051 --> 00:27:17,771
Speaker 5: I can't go there, I can't go there. I say, okay,

466
00:27:17,971 --> 00:27:19,331
Speaker 5: we'll hide you in the shriff station.

467
00:27:20,651 --> 00:27:22,131
Speaker 1: Was there anybody specific that.

468
00:27:22,131 --> 00:27:25,611
Speaker 5: He was scared of, Oh, Hinkel, he was scared of death.

469
00:27:25,771 --> 00:27:28,451
Speaker 5: Tom Hinkle and his associates.

470
00:27:31,011 --> 00:27:35,331
Speaker 1: Roger's story is no smoking gun, But then NARCO detective

471
00:27:35,411 --> 00:27:39,051
Speaker 1: Darren Hager talks to an informant with an eerily similar account.

472
00:27:40,051 --> 00:27:43,211
Speaker 1: He interviews a close associate of Tom Hinkle and says

473
00:27:43,251 --> 00:27:47,171
Speaker 1: the witness completely shuts down, puts his head down on

474
00:27:47,171 --> 00:27:50,331
Speaker 1: the table, and refuses to share what he knows about angles.

475
00:27:51,771 --> 00:27:54,971
Speaker 1: He tells Hager that he's scared because, quote, who are

476
00:27:55,011 --> 00:27:57,931
Speaker 1: people going to believe a cop or me if something

477
00:27:58,011 --> 00:28:00,651
Speaker 1: was to happen. I'm not going to talk about him

478
00:28:00,691 --> 00:28:29,691
Speaker 1: and end up dead. So looking at all of these

479
00:28:29,691 --> 00:28:33,011
Speaker 1: informant statements, you have different people saying different things, but

480
00:28:33,051 --> 00:28:37,731
Speaker 1: they're not contradictory statements, not mutually exclusive now, so there's

481
00:28:37,771 --> 00:28:40,171
Speaker 1: a world in which they fit together like puzzle pieces.

482
00:28:41,491 --> 00:28:44,371
Speaker 2: Betsy and I are sitting at her kitchen table, surrounded

483
00:28:44,371 --> 00:28:48,411
Speaker 2: by stacks of documents from the AUJKSE file. We're taking

484
00:28:48,451 --> 00:28:51,051
Speaker 2: stock of what we've learned so far and trying to

485
00:28:51,051 --> 00:28:53,211
Speaker 2: work the info into a coherent theory.

486
00:28:54,651 --> 00:28:57,811
Speaker 1: We have the two informants who come forward say that

487
00:28:57,851 --> 00:29:01,171
Speaker 1: they were buying drugs from meth dealer Tom Hankle, who

488
00:29:01,251 --> 00:29:03,771
Speaker 1: told them that deputy was jogging in the Devil's punch

489
00:29:03,851 --> 00:29:07,091
Speaker 1: bowl stumbled on something he shouldn't have and was taken

490
00:29:07,171 --> 00:29:09,251
Speaker 1: care of, and he does the finger.

491
00:29:09,011 --> 00:29:13,091
Speaker 2: Gunge yes, And then of course we have the huge

492
00:29:13,171 --> 00:29:16,091
Speaker 2: discovery that there is in fact a meth last there

493
00:29:16,171 --> 00:29:19,091
Speaker 2: is a methlas right near the punch bowl, and it

494
00:29:19,131 --> 00:29:23,571
Speaker 2: happens to be right along the route that Auj ran.

495
00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:28,371
Speaker 2: What are the chance I mean? And a resident who

496
00:29:28,411 --> 00:29:33,611
Speaker 2: lives nearby said they heard a gunshot around sunset the

497
00:29:33,731 --> 00:29:38,771
Speaker 2: night Auj disappeared, which is a lot of things lining up.

498
00:29:40,251 --> 00:29:42,771
Speaker 2: A new layer of the story gets added when an

499
00:29:42,811 --> 00:29:46,131
Speaker 2: informant says he saw Auj approaching two bikers in the

500
00:29:46,171 --> 00:29:48,531
Speaker 2: punch bowl just before he disappeared.

501
00:29:50,211 --> 00:29:54,131
Speaker 1: Then an informant comes forward says that a biker named

502
00:29:54,251 --> 00:29:58,411
Speaker 1: Big Rick told her that he was in the punch

503
00:29:58,491 --> 00:30:02,811
Speaker 1: bowl making a Fedron deal when a deputy approached him,

504
00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:07,011
Speaker 1: and so he shot and killed him, which is wild

505
00:30:07,051 --> 00:30:10,411
Speaker 1: to hear, okay, basically a confession. But there was a

506
00:30:10,571 --> 00:30:14,451
Speaker 1: third man. The third man involved in Auja's disappearance. According

507
00:30:14,491 --> 00:30:17,531
Speaker 1: to some informants, there's a woman who's tied in with

508
00:30:17,611 --> 00:30:21,771
Speaker 1: these bikers. She says that she ever heard the biker's talking.

509
00:30:22,091 --> 00:30:25,051
Speaker 1: They said that Ajay was murdered because he stumbled on

510
00:30:25,451 --> 00:30:29,491
Speaker 1: Deputy Angles, meth lab names him. Yeah, if that was

511
00:30:29,571 --> 00:30:32,451
Speaker 1: just a one off, we could dismiss that as hearsay.

512
00:30:32,891 --> 00:30:36,971
Speaker 1: But multiple informants come forward say that Angles is a

513
00:30:37,011 --> 00:30:40,371
Speaker 1: dirty cop and that he's involved in meth labs with

514
00:30:40,651 --> 00:30:41,331
Speaker 1: Tom Hankle.

515
00:30:41,571 --> 00:30:46,971
Speaker 2: Mm hm. But the part that really gets me is

516
00:30:47,051 --> 00:30:51,531
Speaker 2: Roger's testimony about the conversation he overheard between Deputy Angles

517
00:30:51,651 --> 00:30:55,811
Speaker 2: and Tom Hankle. They're talking about using lie to get

518
00:30:55,931 --> 00:30:59,731
Speaker 2: rid of something so quote no one will ever find it,

519
00:31:00,171 --> 00:31:03,931
Speaker 2: and they're talking about taking care of their loose ends.

520
00:31:04,491 --> 00:31:07,371
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what could they be talking about. Unless

521
00:31:07,411 --> 00:31:10,571
Speaker 1: Angles had a horse that died and the force's name

522
00:31:10,731 --> 00:31:13,731
Speaker 1: was loose Ends, what would they be using.

523
00:31:13,531 --> 00:31:14,091
Speaker 9: That live for.

524
00:31:14,731 --> 00:31:19,291
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems like a stretch. It's a lot of

525
00:31:19,331 --> 00:31:23,051
Speaker 2: circumstantial evidence, but the pieces can be arranged into a

526
00:31:23,131 --> 00:31:24,611
Speaker 2: solid story.

527
00:31:25,491 --> 00:31:29,651
Speaker 1: Hankel is running meth labs. He has a silent partner

528
00:31:30,091 --> 00:31:34,851
Speaker 1: in Deputy Rick Angles. According to some informants, they're working

529
00:31:35,131 --> 00:31:40,491
Speaker 1: with outlaw bikers, specifically Big Rick, who's delivering the supplies

530
00:31:40,571 --> 00:31:41,491
Speaker 1: for their meth lab.

531
00:31:41,931 --> 00:31:42,691
Speaker 2: Big Rick is.

532
00:31:42,611 --> 00:31:46,771
Speaker 1: Out there making and a pedn drop off. When Aujay

533
00:31:46,931 --> 00:31:51,291
Speaker 1: happens to be running through the area, Big Rick kills

534
00:31:51,371 --> 00:31:53,171
Speaker 1: him to prevent the meth.

535
00:31:53,011 --> 00:31:56,611
Speaker 2: Operation from being exposed. Yeah, I mean, this is not

536
00:31:56,851 --> 00:32:03,571
Speaker 2: a super complex criminal conspiracy. It don't make sense. We

537
00:32:03,651 --> 00:32:07,011
Speaker 2: ask Brandenburg and Hager about the picture that's taking shape

538
00:32:07,011 --> 00:32:10,851
Speaker 2: in our minds, and they confirm that was their working

539
00:32:10,891 --> 00:32:14,851
Speaker 2: theory of what happened. But the detectives add another wrinkle.

540
00:32:15,651 --> 00:32:18,691
Speaker 2: They consider a scenario in which Auj was returning to

541
00:32:18,731 --> 00:32:22,131
Speaker 2: his truck when he spotted an LASD patrol car park

542
00:32:22,171 --> 00:32:26,491
Speaker 2: nearby or maybe a uniform deputy, and headed over to

543
00:32:26,531 --> 00:32:27,691
Speaker 2: see if he needed help.

544
00:32:29,371 --> 00:32:35,211
Speaker 3: Auj went to help Rick Ingles with these bikers. Thinking

545
00:32:35,251 --> 00:32:38,531
Speaker 3: that Rick was confronting these bikers on his own, Auj

546
00:32:38,691 --> 00:32:42,531
Speaker 3: went to back him up and found out Ingles was

547
00:32:42,571 --> 00:32:44,131
Speaker 3: on the other side.

548
00:32:44,931 --> 00:32:48,131
Speaker 5: And no shit. Now they're like, what do we do

549
00:32:48,171 --> 00:32:52,331
Speaker 5: with this cop. We can't let him go because we're

550
00:32:52,371 --> 00:32:55,771
Speaker 5: all going to prison and I'm gonna lose my job,

551
00:32:55,851 --> 00:32:57,211
Speaker 5: my career, my light leader.

552
00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:03,251
Speaker 3: And they had no other option but to get rid

553
00:33:03,331 --> 00:33:07,611
Speaker 3: of Auj, or else the whole organization would have been

554
00:33:07,691 --> 00:33:08,211
Speaker 3: taken down.

555
00:33:10,571 --> 00:33:11,171
Speaker 5: Sorry, John.

556
00:33:15,131 --> 00:33:18,571
Speaker 2: This fits with an overarching rumor about Auj that he

557
00:33:18,691 --> 00:33:20,891
Speaker 2: was trying to be a hero when he was taken out.

558
00:33:21,971 --> 00:33:24,531
Speaker 2: But again, this is just a theory until they find

559
00:33:24,531 --> 00:33:28,011
Speaker 2: a way to prove it. So Hagar and Brandenburg level

560
00:33:28,131 --> 00:33:31,851
Speaker 2: up their investigation into Angles to finally figure out if

561
00:33:31,851 --> 00:33:36,371
Speaker 2: this bigfoot was real or just folklore. As part of

562
00:33:36,411 --> 00:33:40,211
Speaker 2: Operation Silent Thunder, Hagar and the DEA get permission to

563
00:33:40,251 --> 00:33:43,211
Speaker 2: review phone logs of various players in the meth world,

564
00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:48,451
Speaker 2: including suspects in the AUJ case. These logs don't record

565
00:33:48,491 --> 00:33:50,731
Speaker 2: what is said on the phone, but keep track of

566
00:33:50,731 --> 00:33:51,691
Speaker 2: the numbers dialed.

567
00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:55,131
Speaker 3: As soon as the numbers dialed, it'll document the date

568
00:33:55,171 --> 00:33:57,611
Speaker 3: and time, and then it tells you the duration of

569
00:33:57,651 --> 00:33:59,651
Speaker 3: the call and the time that had ended. And they

570
00:33:59,651 --> 00:34:02,091
Speaker 3: would tell you incoming or outgoing to whichever target phone

571
00:34:02,171 --> 00:34:05,371
Speaker 3: number that you're looking at. And it showed a connection

572
00:34:05,531 --> 00:34:10,011
Speaker 3: of Angles calling people with a criminal record that we're

573
00:34:10,051 --> 00:34:12,891
Speaker 3: involved in the dove Borden vice versa.

574
00:34:14,611 --> 00:34:17,291
Speaker 2: The logs show a web of connections in real time,

575
00:34:17,971 --> 00:34:22,330
Speaker 2: revealing who's calling who as Operation Silent Thunders being carried out.

576
00:34:23,531 --> 00:34:27,411
Speaker 2: They also reveal a more complex system of messaging that

577
00:34:27,531 --> 00:34:31,011
Speaker 2: was intended to conceal certain relationships by using a go between.

578
00:34:31,931 --> 00:34:36,251
Speaker 2: For example, Angles wouldn't phone hinkled directly. Hager says he

579
00:34:36,251 --> 00:34:39,491
Speaker 2: would phone a certain someone and then that person would

580
00:34:39,491 --> 00:34:43,890
Speaker 2: immediately call Hinkle. Hagar and the task force were also

581
00:34:44,011 --> 00:34:46,651
Speaker 2: able to get a hold of Angles and Hinkle's phone

582
00:34:46,691 --> 00:34:50,251
Speaker 2: records from back in nineteen ninety eight, and those logs

583
00:34:50,291 --> 00:34:52,411
Speaker 2: show that over the course of a few days after

584
00:34:52,451 --> 00:34:56,171
Speaker 2: Aujy went missing, both Hinkle and Angles page the same

585
00:34:56,291 --> 00:35:02,730
Speaker 2: number multiple times. Remember this is the nineties. Pagers were

586
00:35:02,731 --> 00:35:05,651
Speaker 2: how you got someone to call you back asap, So

587
00:35:05,691 --> 00:35:08,211
Speaker 2: why would a cop and a drug dealer be urgently

588
00:35:08,251 --> 00:35:11,291
Speaker 2: trying to talk to the same person in the immediate

589
00:35:11,331 --> 00:35:17,651
Speaker 2: aftermath of Auj's disappearance. The detectives don't know who this

590
00:35:17,771 --> 00:35:21,210
Speaker 2: pager belonged to, so they have a lot of circumstantial

591
00:35:21,211 --> 00:35:24,850
Speaker 2: evidence tying Hinkel and Angles together, but they still need

592
00:35:24,971 --> 00:35:26,971
Speaker 2: hard evidence a crime was committed.

593
00:35:27,851 --> 00:35:30,371
Speaker 5: So I put the search warrant together to put a

594
00:35:30,411 --> 00:35:34,411
Speaker 5: tracking device on his county vehicle, his phone records, we'll

595
00:35:34,451 --> 00:35:37,491
Speaker 5: sell phone, home phone, and his financial records.

596
00:35:39,131 --> 00:35:43,011
Speaker 1: Angles isn't the only one named in Brandenburg's affidavit. Tom

597
00:35:43,051 --> 00:35:45,611
Speaker 1: Hinkle or Jack Carroll and some of their associates are

598
00:35:45,611 --> 00:35:48,931
Speaker 1: also targets. But Angles is the main suspect.

599
00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:52,691
Speaker 5: Deputy Ingles is assigned as the little Rock resident.

600
00:35:52,731 --> 00:35:56,690
Speaker 1: Deputy Brandenburg is reading from his search warrant affidavit.

601
00:35:57,291 --> 00:36:00,890
Speaker 5: You're affing believes at Deputy Ingles, another unidentified individual's murdered

602
00:36:00,891 --> 00:36:03,811
Speaker 5: Deputy audj to prevent him from arresting them or exposing

603
00:36:03,811 --> 00:36:06,931
Speaker 5: their criminal activity. You got to write that kind of

604
00:36:06,971 --> 00:36:10,011
Speaker 5: strong so the judge gets it. Every They may not

605
00:36:10,051 --> 00:36:13,331
Speaker 5: come out to fruition, but you're allowed to make those

606
00:36:13,451 --> 00:36:16,571
Speaker 5: kind of opinions based on what you have.

607
00:36:18,211 --> 00:36:21,131
Speaker 1: Then Brandenburg takes the affidavit to someone at the District

608
00:36:21,131 --> 00:36:22,931
Speaker 1: Attorney's office to give it a look.

609
00:36:23,811 --> 00:36:25,971
Speaker 5: I had him review it, da friend of mine. He's

610
00:36:26,011 --> 00:36:26,851
Speaker 5: a solid warrant to me.

611
00:36:28,291 --> 00:36:31,730
Speaker 1: Now, all Brandenburg needs to make the warrant official is

612
00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:34,451
Speaker 1: a signature from a judge at a sign off from

613
00:36:34,451 --> 00:36:35,691
Speaker 1: his captain, Frank Merriman.

614
00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:43,571
Speaker 5: Frank he went immediately went ballistic and he started yelling

615
00:36:43,611 --> 00:36:45,210
Speaker 5: at me. He took the warrant put in his jawer.

616
00:36:46,291 --> 00:36:49,051
Speaker 5: I said, well, judge signs just warrant, Frank, we have

617
00:36:49,091 --> 00:36:50,491
Speaker 5: to serve it. He goes, yeah, you're right, but you

618
00:36:50,571 --> 00:36:52,851
Speaker 5: ain't taken it to a judge deputy, I'm ordered you

619
00:36:52,931 --> 00:36:54,850
Speaker 5: not to, and he goes, If you do, you won't

620
00:36:54,851 --> 00:36:55,571
Speaker 5: work here anymore.

621
00:36:57,211 --> 00:37:00,051
Speaker 1: About a month later, Brandenburg gets a knock on his door.

622
00:37:00,931 --> 00:37:05,651
Speaker 1: It's two detectives from LSD's homicide Bureau, and it's.

623
00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:08,331
Speaker 5: Jo Holmes and Brian Steinwan, who I've known him for

624
00:37:08,691 --> 00:37:11,931
Speaker 5: many years, gains with him. We're all good friends. And

625
00:37:12,051 --> 00:37:13,690
Speaker 5: they said, hey, Larry, we're ordered to go out here

626
00:37:13,691 --> 00:37:17,691
Speaker 5: and get everything and got in the case. No hard feelings,

627
00:37:17,691 --> 00:37:20,051
Speaker 5: but they ordered us about it. Okay, here's the shit

628
00:37:20,291 --> 00:37:20,690
Speaker 5: take it.

629
00:37:21,091 --> 00:37:22,131
Speaker 1: How did that make you feel?

630
00:37:22,451 --> 00:37:22,651
Speaker 9: Oh?

631
00:37:22,691 --> 00:37:25,211
Speaker 5: I was pissed. Yeah, I was pissed because it basically

632
00:37:25,811 --> 00:37:31,131
Speaker 5: they're telling me I'm either stupid, crazy or incompetent, and

633
00:37:31,211 --> 00:37:34,171
Speaker 5: they're taking the case from me, which makes you pretty bad.

634
00:37:35,811 --> 00:37:39,091
Speaker 1: Even now, Brianderberg doesn't understand why he was taken off

635
00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:43,251
Speaker 1: the AJ case. If it wasn't a homicide, wouldn't the

636
00:37:43,291 --> 00:37:45,971
Speaker 1: department want proof that Angles didn't do any of the

637
00:37:46,011 --> 00:37:50,171
Speaker 1: things witnesses and informants accused him of. The Only thing

638
00:37:50,171 --> 00:37:52,891
Speaker 1: Brandonburg can figure is that the department was scared of

639
00:37:52,971 --> 00:37:56,411
Speaker 1: what he might find. Because Brandenburg says that when push

640
00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:59,971
Speaker 1: comes to shove the top rass acts more like politicians

641
00:38:00,011 --> 00:38:04,491
Speaker 1: than law enforcement, defending the department's image at all costs.

642
00:38:06,051 --> 00:38:08,810
Speaker 5: I do know that when these guys get promoted high up,

643
00:38:09,091 --> 00:38:12,011
Speaker 5: pass the rank of captain, even they get up their commander,

644
00:38:12,251 --> 00:38:18,251
Speaker 5: chief assistant sheriff level, it's a cutthroat world. I was

645
00:38:18,291 --> 00:38:21,171
Speaker 5: shut down, like you you you ain't, don't do nothing

646
00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:22,931
Speaker 5: on anymore. You better not. Just if you do, you'll

647
00:38:22,971 --> 00:38:25,531
Speaker 5: be in trouble. So it's like, oh, I'm done. You

648
00:38:25,571 --> 00:38:26,371
Speaker 5: know I'm done.

649
00:38:29,171 --> 00:38:32,331
Speaker 1: Then one day, while sitting at his desk, Rihnaburg over

650
00:38:32,371 --> 00:38:35,851
Speaker 1: here is a conversation between his replacement on the AJ case,

651
00:38:36,091 --> 00:38:41,371
Speaker 1: Detective Joe Holmes, and their boss, Frank Merriman, who appeared

652
00:38:41,371 --> 00:38:43,690
Speaker 1: to be giving home some sort of instruction.

653
00:38:44,691 --> 00:38:47,531
Speaker 5: It's to say, you got to take care of me

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Speaker 5: on this, Joe, do the right thing. And he pad

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Speaker 5: him on the back and put this thing to bed.

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Speaker 5: And Joe response was like, you know, I'll do the

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Speaker 5: right thing. I just took that as Joe going me know,

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Speaker 5: and Joe Holmes, who I respected, didn't really like Joe

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Speaker 5: will do what's right. They took it from me. Joe

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Speaker 5: Holmes gonna go out there and if there's something funny here,

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Speaker 5: he's going to find out. He's going to pursue it.

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Speaker 1: But soon this interpretation of their exchange would seem a

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Speaker 1: little too generous. According to Brandenburg, I.

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Speaker 5: Would like to say that there was nothing to fare.

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Speaker 5: He's just there on Frank's part or Joe's when that

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Speaker 5: conversation took place. I really won't believe that how it

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Speaker 5: ended up the waiting up, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: When Frank Merriman is later questioned about what happened, he

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Speaker 1: admits to spiking Brandonburg search warrant, the one that would

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Speaker 1: have given the detective a green light to dive deep

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Speaker 1: on Rick Angles to finally get to the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the deputy bigfoot legend. Merriman says he made this decision

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Speaker 1: as a type of interagency courtesy, that he was deferring

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Speaker 1: to the FEDS to Operation Silent Thunder because he didn't

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Speaker 1: want to kick up any dust that would interfere with

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Speaker 1: their narcotics investigation. But Brandenburg doesn't buy it.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, it baffles me to this day. A was baffled

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Speaker 5: by it. Then the DEA agents were beside themselves, what

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Speaker 5: the fuck's wrong with your Department. What was wrong these people?

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Speaker 1: Narcotics Detective Darren Hager doesn't buy it either.

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Speaker 3: A homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if

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Speaker 3: this guy's guilty or innocent?

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Speaker 5: Don't do it? Who does that?

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Speaker 3: Why stop it? I mean, what would it hurt? The

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Speaker 3: only thing I would hurt is if he's guilty. And

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Speaker 3: if he's guilty, they sure don't want to find out

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Speaker 3: that he's guilty.

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Speaker 1: But there's an investigation that the Homicide Bureau and Captain

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Speaker 1: Frank Merriman can't stop. Operation Silent Thunder. Detective Darren Hager

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Speaker 1: keeps pushing the case forward, and he's got the full

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Speaker 1: weight of the DEA behind him and federal wiretops.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's heard of the code of silence. It does exist.

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Speaker 3: It's not written down everywhere, no one could ever prove it.

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Speaker 3: But this case right here just shows one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: that there is a code of science.

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