WEBVTT - Nate Burleson: Megatron vs. Moss, CBS Mornings swag, the Nate B. freestyle 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.880 Hey, what's up. This is Nate Big. I want to 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.400 give a quick shout out to Peanut enrollment at the 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:10.920 NFL Players and the Second Acts podcast. So here's what happened. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.800 We had a super dope episode and y'all should check 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.680 out all of the episodes. They have credible guests telling 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.800 incredible stories, doing big things. But at the end of 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.079 the episode, they were like, yo, we want you to freestyle, 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:24.720 and I was tired. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.520 I wasn't on my game. I didn't feel right when 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:29.040 I left. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:29.360 You know. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.360 I actually went on and couldn't sleep. I'm like, man, 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.839 you can't really leave them with that. You got to 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:35.720 redeem itself. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:36.959 So here we are. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.880 It's a little something for y'all. And you can see 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.120 New York as the backdrop right, but I'm from Seattle. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.280 I feel right at home when it rains. The two 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.280 six is synonymous with my name. I'll take the space 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:55.160 needle straight to the Vans. There's something in a way 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.600 that city make me feel. A word to Kurt Cobain, 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.920 rest in peace to a legend. I want to find 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.880 Nirvana on Earth before I get to Heaven. That's no desire, 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.000 no sense of self, feeling rich without money, see that's 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.280 a sense of wealth. Once had low cash down. My 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.240 digits is up. But if you can't trust me, you 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.360 can't trust us. We dead mice, Peanut and Roman. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.480 It's a mustard. This is something you ain't see the 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.319 fora But I'm not mc gusto. Yeah. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.920 See this is hip hop back, bigger than black and 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:29.240 slaps like Chris Rocker. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:31.160 Yeah. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:36.959 We don't make music. We make movies. Kids smoking every 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:42.240 single track, just like Poopy did for real, something like 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:52.360 the Second Acts. I'm Peanut telling me and this is 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.960 the NFL players Second Acts podcast, and with me as always, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.240 this is my older uncle Roman Harper right here, what's 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:00.480 up with it? Up with him? 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:00.600 All? 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:02.800 I'm good? I see that is the type of intro 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.640 I'm used to getting, right when he just says my 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.520 government name. I'm like, I don't know what to do next. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.919 All right, anyways, I do know what to do next, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.600 and that is ask all of our followers, our watchers, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.000 to make sure continue to hit subscribe, hit like give 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.360 us a five star rating. I'm telling you, not asking 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.960 give us the five star rating. Anywhere you pick up 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:25.120 your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcast or iHeartRadio, please give 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:26.840 us a look or listen, Tell a friend to tell 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.360 a friend, to tell a friend. P Nutt, who's our 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.440 guest today. An oldie, but a goodie. This is someone 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.160 that we're trying to be like, you know, on the 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.560 on the national level, he's at there. Doctor two thousand 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.160 and three draft class stuff for this A third round 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.480 two thousand and three draft class. Played eleven years and 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.640 since leaving the game, he has become a media mogul. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.440 He is one of the hope excuse me. He is 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.960 one of the co hosts from the CBS Morning show. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.440 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome in Nate Borlson. What's up, y'all? 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.720 What's up? I appreciate that. Thank y'all for having me in. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.359 Before we get started, I was want to say, I've 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.200 always admired what you guys did on the field, but 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:08.960 what you guys have done and your second act has 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.160 been incredible and it's a beautiful thing to see, man. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.359 So this is an honor. You know. When I got 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:14.920 word that y'all wanted to have me on, I was 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.400 pumped about it. And you even got the voice, don't 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.240 he like? I feel like when I didn't really recognize 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.120 your voice, but it's. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.960 Like, well, you know, I really want to thank y'all 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:23.920 for tuning in. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.639 You remember, I'll been working on it, Donny Simpson, meaning 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.480 that was one of my inspirations. I see it. Okay, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.520 it's coming. It's coming in the little things that really 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.240 get people excited. As Nate has progressed in his career 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.080 and his life, he's like, bro, I don't even care 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:45.560 about you getting all the love and some of the 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.360 catches and stuff. It's like, man, did you feel that story? 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.360 Did you feel the passion in my voice right exactly 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:56.880 what he's looking for, scratch. I appreciate it. I like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.920 no worries, man, but yeah, man, you've been you've been 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.960 killing on CBS Warning Show. I like it representing us, well, 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.680 thank you, you're doing your thing. I like you straight hand, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:10.240 like you give athletes us a platform to say that. Yo, man, 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.040 we not just athletes. Like I don't just have to 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.000 I don't just have to talk about sports. I don't 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.080 just have to be a coach or an analyst. Like 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.440 I can come in, I can do radio, I can 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.080 do TV, I can do like legit news. I can 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.680 interview the president. I can interview politicians, hip hop's artists, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.520 athletes like I can do it all, you know what 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.919 I'm saying, And I'm just I'm proud of I really 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.880 like what you've done. You started out a good morning 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.440 football and your progression and the work ethic that you 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.559 put in and like you, legit you, you like legit 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.640 media like you you doing the damn thing. And I 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.200 just say, man, I applause you. It's it's amazing to see. Yeah, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:50.279 I sincerely received that, man. And like I said, you 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.479 guys have also, you know, kind of recreated the blueprint. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.800 I feel like we all we all have this one 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.080 big blueprint, and we're all making our marks on it, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.560 you know, individually. You know. Straight Hand of course, is 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.920 one of the people that they look at and they say, 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.720 all right, he going from a super Bowl champion, Hall 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.000 of Famer into media, into news and now hosting everything 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.479 from reality shows to game shows. Now there's this blueprint 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.120 out there. But what I love about this new landscape 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.320 in the new NFL player is that we're all grabbing 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.760 that same blueprint, making our marks, saying, here's an avenue 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.760 for you as a player. You can go into podcasts, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.159 and you can go into law enforcement. You can go 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.360 into coaching if you want, but you can also going 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.920 in the fashion, media, music, finance. You can do whatever 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.719 you want, you know. I think the greatest live sports 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.760 has ever told us as athletes is all you need 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.680 to do is care about this. Yeah, And I don't 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.120 know where we picked it up from. Maybe it was 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.560 just indoctrinated as a young age at a young age, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.400 but like we got to the NFL, and if you 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.080 would have talked to us our rookie year, our second 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.719 year about what we would do for the team, I 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.600 think about ninety nine percent of us say I run 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.359 through brick wall and mean it, like I die for 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.440 these colors, this logo on my helmet, this emblem and 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.719 these team colors. This is everything that matters to me. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.480 And for the most part, that helped us do our 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.960 jobs at the level it did, but it also blinded 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.400 us to the next chapter and what we were also 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.520 going to have to face, which was figuring out who 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.400 we are after we take the helmet off. And I 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.320 think us and many others like us are just representations 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.720 that being an athlete was just a small part of 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.359 our lives. It wasn't necessarily who we were, and the 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.800 sooner guys can figure that out, which is why I 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.520 love this new generation of athletes. It's like, you'll be 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.560 better off once retirement comes. It actually makes a lot 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.520 of the coaches and people that work with these players 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.760 more uncomfortable because they're not used to it. They're used 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.840 to just guys doing what you tell them. And now 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.280 they're like, man, you know, they understand they have value. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.200 They understand that they're not just football players, and you know, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.159 they they have their own face, they have their and 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.479 they want to know what their you know, the media 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.160 responsibilities and who they want to be off of the 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.520 field is where their brand their brand, and so all 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.480 these things are happening and I just think it's really cool. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.720 I heard you talking to this guy about on Cairo radio. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.480 Seems like yeah, it seems like you guys really hit 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.240 it off, Like yeah, yeah, I can tell, I can tell. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.680 Like you guys open up, shared a lot of stories 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.200 and just you talking about your whole journey of like man, 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.480 you know the confidence that came with as you got 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.680 more and more of this and doing more and more 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.560 of the TV that it allows you all of a sudden, 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.800 now you're relaxing and you're you're really getting into these 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.920 things more. At what point in time did that really 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.640 start to happen for you. I'm in this space right 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.480 now that I work with it on the day. That's 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.320 my normal job, and so I'm trying to do more 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.720 personality TV. I want to be able to be able 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.160 to make that switch and show like I have more 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.320 just football knowledge and to have way more rain yep, 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.440 like you guys are just holding me down from this right, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.040 like I can talk way more about other things. I 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:06.920 actually enjoyed that way more, of course, you know what 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.040 I mean. I'm just football. I mean that's just a 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.600 small chapter. That's right, That's right, so many more to do. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.720 How do you get to that? And at what point 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.240 in time did you all of a sudden start to 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.320 get way more comfortably Like, dude, I can totally expand 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.800 and do this. Yeah, that's such a good question. The 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.000 first time I was actually on TV was the year 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.680 I got drafted, which was two thousand and three. I 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.120 went to the NFL network, and you know, I got 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.560 a little bit of a buzz from it, and I 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.280 got to be honest, it was more self serving. I'm 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.360 a wide receiver, you know what. Divas. I like to 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.200 hear myself talk, and I like to look at myself 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.320 on TV. He's no surprise to you. I don't even 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:41.440 need to glasses, you know what I. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:44.800 Mean. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:49.320 I'm almost forty two. I'm behind, but but you know 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.400 so I say that because every off season I would 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.000 do either local or national TV or radio. I would 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.680 go do the NFL network hits. They were never paying me. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.000 I would do stuff back home. So it's almost like 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.319 I was sharpening the tools while I was playing. And 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.880 then I went to the broadcast boot camp and that's 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.840 when I realized that I wanted to do this as 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.800 a career. And it was funny because I had a 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.040 little bit of a when you was still playing. Yeah, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.520 I was like year nine to ten, and they basically 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:20.760 gave me a pat on the back, say, hey man, 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.520 you're talented. You got you got some some foundational pieces 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.720 that could allow you to be good at this if 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.839 you choose to. But I remember struggling when we did 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.040 the exercise of calling a game like it just it 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.400 was so foreign to me to have somebody in there 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.320 to kind of like tee me up. It was like 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.320 the alley oup, and I just kept missing the dunk. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.840 You know, it's like, all right, first and ten bend 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.000 Roethlisberger drops back and the past is completed and need 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:46.880 to wait for me to jump in. And I just 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.800 didn't know how to do that dance. So once I 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.600 left the broadcast boot camp, as much as I felt 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.240 good about certain areas of being on TV, I just 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.160 kept thinking about where I struggled. I guess that's the 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.320 athlete in you know. We focused on on the details 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.120 of something we're not doing well at and that made 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.000 me feel like a rookie again. And that's what I 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.199 think that element encouraged me the most. When I retire, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.120 I'm gonna work on this craft. I gotta I gotta 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.800 be good at it. And at that time, I had 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.720 a partnership with a clothing line, Bangs and Baker. I 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:25.120 had an Italian restaurant in Seattle. I had a couple 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.960 other small things going on from a creative standpoint. So 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.800 I had all these things that I didn't know. I 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.160 didn't know what I wanted to do, so I had 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.040 to pick something. It was either go into TV or 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.920 try my hand of all these other things. And I thought, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:42.880 if I go on to TV and I'm good at TV. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.199 It's gonna make these other things easier. So let's get 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.599 into TV. And that's when I signed on to the 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.520 NFL Network and from there I was the busiest guy 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.640 like there was. There wasn't nothing that they couldn't call 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.880 me for. It was live TV, tape, TV pregame, halftime, postgame, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.520 digital content, getting reps. So all it was was getting 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.120 as many reps as I could. And also, you know, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.680 I wanted to prove that I was just as good 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.360 as some of these guys that were there. I didn't. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.520 I didn't have the gold jacket or the ring, so 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.160 you know, I needed to work twice as hard. And 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.439 I felt like, remember when we first got in the 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.120 league and the OG's be like, hey, look slow down, man, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:26.360 shut up. Yeah, yeah, that's the Booker got me with that. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.480 What do you feel real bad? Like I'm practicing. I'm 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:36.480 just I'm doing I'm working. And that's how I felt 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.120 the ogs at the NFL Network, where it was kind 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.880 of like yo, rook, slow down, bro, like you're not 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.920 getting paid anymore, so why are you doing stuff that 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.480 that you're not getting paid to do? And I didn't 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.040 have an answer. All I knew is if I got 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.840 as much reps as I could at all of these 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:57.320 different aspects of TV, eventually I'll start to find my rhythm. 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.880 And and I'm still finding it, but you know, I 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.040 for like, at least I found my voice. Yeah, and 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.680 so so look, I want this is gonna be the 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.000 toughest question to ask, all right, And so Peanut got 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.240 me so excited. I wanted to hit you with this first. Right, 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.320 Who's the best receiver? Calvin? Better receiver? Calvin Johnson or 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.880 Randy Moss? You played with both, all right, Randy was 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.720 a different time in Minnesota when you remember Calvin you 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.640 had young, you were older, and you got Calvin. So 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.680 which one was the best receiver you ever played against? 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.880 You ever played with? I would have to go with 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.040 Randy Moss. You know a couple of reasons. One longevity 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.040 by his side, all right, even at an older age 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.000 when people thought he was washed. He went to New 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.240 England and he got killed. Busy killed twenty two touchdowns, todown 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.959 something wild. He was the most naturally gifted athlete I've 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.079 ever seen. I mean, he could play baseball. I think 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.120 he could have ran in the Olympics. He was a 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:00.720 really good Hooper beast, and he would show up and 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.440 not even really have to warm up in his prime, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.480 Like Randy didn't even warm up. I'm talking about not 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.040 that practice a game. I remember, you know, warming up 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.360 next to him, and I'm like, like Jim Carrey and 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.199 Cable guy, I'm doing all kinds of stretch, you know 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.480 what I'm saying. And Randy's over there just moving his 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.840 feet up and down. And the coach was like, hey, Randy, 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.319 you gotta warm up. He's just sitting there like whatever, 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.560 and he's like, Randy, come on, let's go. We've got 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.520 a game in a little bit. And he just so 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.480 casually looked at her. He's like, hey, you ever seen 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.360 a cheetah stretch before a hunts? And it was like 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.840 one of them like abnormally profound questions that we didn't 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.680 have to answer for. And I'm like and we're all like, yeah, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.000 you're right. The cheetah nuvers, it just goes, it gets 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.920 the food, and we all kind of looked looked at Randy, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.760 looked at the coach. Coach turned around, walked away, and 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.120 Randy had another big day on the field. So Randy 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.160 was naturally gifted. I will say this though Calvin was 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.679 a freak, but he also worked his ass off. Calvin 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.520 was six four sixty five two thirty. Sometimes he gets 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.840 it to a round two forty and he still was 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.839 a four to three guy jumping a forty five inch 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.080 vertical crazy, but he would show up every day and 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.120 work like he was a free agent. Like Calvin, when 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.679 we could do conditioning, he wouldn't just like lead us 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.040 by step or two. He would beat us by as 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.760 much as his athleticism was supposed to beat us by. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.160 And I always like, I admired that about him, and 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.840 I feel like if Calvin would have played as long 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.000 as Randy, this would be a different conversation. But you know, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.520 you can't you can't knock Randy's numbers. And then on 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.560 top of that, just like his his intimidation factor. I 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:44.160 remember being in the slot and there was a there 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.160 was a dB in front of him, there was a 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:53.360 safety behind the dB, and then the safety from the 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.480 other side of the field was rolling over the top. 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.040 So he basically had to beat three levels of defense 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.000 in one play, and short Donta Colepepper dropped back with 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.120 max protection and let that thing rip touch down back 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.560 in the end zone like, and I just remember being 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.040 there were moments where I was just in ah. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:10.520 Like. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.800 I remember another time DV is given everybody fits and 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.960 Randy goes up there and I saw the whites of 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.240 the dv's eyes. His toes is all the way up 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:27.320 because he's ready to get out of there. And then Randy, 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.200 the dB backs up right, so he's acting like he's 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:31.720 gonna press him, and then he backs up to about 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.120 eight yards and as soon as he snaps the ball, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.040 Randy's off the line SCREAMAG goes like this, Now, mind you, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:40.760 he had a hitch, so he could have ran the 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.280 hitch right, but he's like this, DB's off at eight backpedaling, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.880 which means probably like at fifteen. Yeah, and Randy in 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.840 his head is thinking, I'm still gonna run past you. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.120 So he comes off the line of screamings and just 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.240 hot hand, hot hands, and then boom, touchdown. So Randy 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.760 was just a different type of beast man. And look, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.600 that's what all my former teammate Darren Sharp is like, 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.840 Look like nobody would call Randy Moss one on one 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.040 in his prime, like you had to have another safety 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.800 or it was like you had no chance, and that 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.520 was a whole defense that was out there, you understand. Yeah, 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.080 I think for me though, I think I had successful Randon. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:21.720 You played both. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:22.760 Yeah, I had. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.520 Successful Randy because the coach used to always say, man, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.760 you gotta guard the man, not his reputation. And I 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.560 really I really took that the heart, like, yo, he 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:32.360 is Randy Moss. 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:33.040 He is that dude. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.040 But yeah, I can't be I can't be afraid of 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.520 you the man, like your reputation. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.000 You're this, but like I'm a dog too. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.640 And you also play it to your strengths, your length, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:48.440 like you're length. Even if you knew you weren't trying 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.440 to get your hands on him, you knew if you 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.040 just did the street fighter like Dawson just like reached out, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.120 you knew that would just like it would cause a 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:57.920 little bit of hesitation if you get Randy that has 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.320 didn't line scrimmage, not saying you got to has to 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.960 beat him, you got a chance to stay with him. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.359 But yeah, you know, I've always admired those battles, man. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.679 You know, It's just it's hard though when you look 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.080 at those two guys because they're just so different, Like 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.160 Calvin was physical. I will say this though you stack 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.879 up their highlights together, you're gonna see impressive catchers. You're 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.760 gonna see them go up over the top of guys 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.280 double coverage, even triple coverage. You're gonna see good route running. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.840 But I think the separation will be that Calvin was 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.920 by far a better blocker. Like Calvin was a beast 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:31.680 in the run game. I remember me being in the 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.800 slot and having a bubble route and Calvi's on the outside. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.920 I got it to the line scrimmage and in my head, 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.160 I'm like, I'm already thinking about my damn I'm gonna 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.600 do because Calvin's about to run this dude into the tunnel. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.640 And I knew it, and I knew I was about 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.360 thirty yards away from the end zone. I wasn't even 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.840 worried about Calvin's man. He got up on that dB, 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.480 put them hands on them, drove them to the sideline. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.560 I just ran right inside because I trusted Calvin that much. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.639 He never gave up on the play. What was it 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.040 like when you because you use this acronym for her, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:04.720 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, his everlasting Yeah. Football with football, 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.399 after being involved with it for eleven years, having to 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:12.240 walk away, you've had some tragedy things happen throughout your career. Yeah, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.720 move from a couple of places you had an ACL injury. 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.760 Talk about so that journey when you finally said, all right, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.280 it's time to move on. Yeah. I feel like we 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.399 all fall in love with this sport at different places 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.080 in our lives. You know. I started playing when I 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.680 was a kid in Pop Warner football, and then in 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.520 high school is like puppy love. And then it's like 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.840 we got engaged in college and then the league was like, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.160 oh damn, I'm married to this job. Put a ring 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.280 on it, you know. And there were some good times. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:39.440 You know. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.560 The reason I described it like this tourd love affairs, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.880 because you know, the good times are the contracts, the touchdowns, 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.359 the winds, you know what I mean, The traveling city 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.760 to city and playing villain on the road, you know, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.320 all of that. Like it's like it's like it's like 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.520 good sex and the merits, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.440 The vacations are fire, and vacations are good. Vacation love 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.080 is great, right exactly exactly. That's that's what the good 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.480 times in the NFL were like. But then there's the 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.800 injuries there's the contract negotiations when they tell you you're 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.639 not what you usual. Yeah, the devaluing and which it 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.639 plays such a role on our mental health, but we 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.760 don't know it at the time, because all of a sudden, 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.080 you go from when we were young telling us what 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.439 the greatest thing since sliced bread too, when we're older 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.159 that you just ain't got it anymore and this is 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.119 why we're going to pay you crumbs. And and I 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.439 think like all of that. The bad times, it's like 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.600 sleeping in separate beds, or arguing with your boo or 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.040 you know, just just not being on the same page. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.320