1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Hunger. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of two and soon to be three, 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: and a practicing physician. We are two working parents who 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: love our careers and our families. Welcome to best of 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: both worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: This is Laura. We are doing a special mini sode 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: this week. As Sarah just coined the phrase, we are 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: in a slightly different arrangement as we're recording this. Normally 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: record them on the days that Sarah is off from work. 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: But she has been away from her job for the 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: past week almost I think, because of Hurricane Irma, and 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: so she has had the experience of evacuating from Miami 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Beach trying to find a safe place to be with 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: her two small children. So we're gonna do this episode 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: mostly about that experience. So Sarah, we're all glad to 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: hear that you are safe and your house is safe too, right, 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: our house has seems to have survived. We haven't been 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: back yet, but the reports are in that nothing major 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: appears to have been smashed or you know, knocked over. 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: We did have an enormous palm tree in the front yard, 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: which was always something that was like bothered us, like 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: what if that were to fall in the house, And 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: it did fall, thankfully, it fell like across the street 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: and didn't hit anything, which I is like, we're super 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: super thrilled because that was very, very lucky. But the 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: house largely appears unscathed and we did not have flooding, 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: which is awesome. Yeah, that is wonderful. That is such 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: a blessing because I know you've been very concerned about 33 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: that for the past week. Did you talk us through 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: what happened with the ordered evacuation and how you made 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: your decision to leave? Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: I just have to say this whole thing was so 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: much less straightforward than I expected it to be. So 38 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: we've only been in Miami, miamib specifically for four years now, 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: four years and one month to be exact, and this 40 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: is the first time we had anything close to this. 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: But I had always told Josh, who is my husband 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: for those who are just joining us now, that if 43 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: we got a big hurricane, I wanted out of there, 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: and he was totally fine with that. You know, there 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: are some people who may take pride in kind of 46 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: experiencing it or writing it out, but he was cool 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: with that, especially with our young kids. So when it 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: happened that we started to see Irma's show up on 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: the NHC National Hurricane Center website, I got worried. Probably 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I think it was a weekend prior, so it was like, 51 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: not this weekend, but a week ago. I started mentioning it. 52 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: We had some family event where I was like, hey, 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: it looks like that might hit us, and everyone's like, ah, 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: too early. Whatever. And the week went on and it 55 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: became very clear that IRMA was actually headed and at 56 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: that point it looked like directly towards the southeastern tip 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: of Florida, which is where Miami Beach is, and that 58 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: it was enormous. So we kind of started thinking that 59 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: we were gonna need to get out in some fashion. 60 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: I guess with a hurricane, the thing is you don't 61 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: know exactly where it's going to go, and we didn't 62 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: have a great plan or a clear obvious place, like 63 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have mainland family with a big, dirty house. 64 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: We don't have people like, you know, halfway up the 65 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: state with the generator. So all of a sudden it 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: was like, wait a second, we have to outrun this thing. 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: We don't actually know where it's headed, and we have 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: no obvious destination. So that was much, i don't know, 69 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: less straightforward than I imagined it to be, rather than 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: just like, oh, you have a flight to Philly, because 71 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: the truth is, by the time everyone is thinking about 72 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: getting a flight to anywhere, it's kind of too late. 73 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: I had actually started researching it like insanely on Tuesday, 74 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: I think. Now the storm really didn't hit until that 75 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: following Sunday, but by Tuesday Wednesday, we knew it was 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: sort of headed there, and it was. It was. It 77 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: was like, by Wednesday morning, gone, no flights anywhere, especially 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: if you wanted four of them, which is what we 79 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: would have needed, what you would have needed, and so 80 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: you decided to drive out. But that's not simple either. 81 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: I mean, for people are like, well, why don't you 82 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: just get in your car and leave? I mean everyone 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: was on the roads. I mean we saw the photos 84 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: of the back bumper to bumper traffic coming out of Miami, 85 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: and then there wasn't any fuel either, right, I mean, 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: that was another that was who would have even like 87 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: that would never have crossed my mind. But the fuel 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: issue actually made the traffic issue so much more harrying 89 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: and terrifying, because you know, you know how far a 90 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: tank of gas would normally get you, but you don't 91 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: know how far a tank of gas is going to 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: get you if you're barely moving, and if you're barely 93 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: moving and everyone else is going in the same direction. 94 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: And really the problem with Florida is that there's really 95 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: only one way out. You can't like scatter in all 96 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: different directions unless you have a boat. You've got to 97 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: go north. There's a little bit of variation, but everyone's 98 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: going the same way. And when we started to see 99 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: the gas stations were half out of service, and then 100 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: there began to be this frenzy where every station had 101 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: like extremely long lines. That was terrifying. I mean I 102 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: literally made us stop every every hundred miles, like our 103 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: tank would go from four hundred to three hundred, and 104 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: I'd be like, if there's anything we can get gased 105 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: now we should do it, and we all agreed and 106 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: we did it good. Yeah. Yeah, well that's smart, I mean, 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: and we don't understand that as Americans because we're accustomed 108 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: to there being a service station, you know, every five minutes, 109 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: and no one would ever be out of fuel. That's 110 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: not something you'd ever experience. But if we have listeners 111 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: who've traveled, you know, in the developing world, I mean, 112 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: there are parts of Africa, for instance, where you have 113 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: to fuel at every station because if you don't, you 114 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: won't get to the next one. And that's just something 115 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: we don't appreciate as Americans until we come to a 116 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: situation where stuff breaks down like this and so, and 117 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: you were also trying to figure out as you are leaving, 118 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: you were changing your plans as well. Yes, we did, 119 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: I say. One thing we did right was we kept 120 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: it very flexible and we created a lot of options 121 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: for ourselves. So we booked a hotel in Okalla, which 122 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: is halfway kind of, It's like about an hour and 123 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: a half or so north of It's between Orlando and Gainesville, basically, 124 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: so two thirds of the way off the state, I 125 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: would say, And but we knew that, you know, we'd 126 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: like to just be able to have stayed there. But 127 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: when this we also kind of thought, well, if the 128 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: storm is going to head up toward there, because that 129 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: was one definite possibility that we would need other options. 130 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: My sister lives in Carrie, North Carolina, so to the 131 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: east and the northeast, and then we decided, you know what, 132 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: let's book a refundable hotel in Birmingham, so that if 133 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: this storm is going northeast, we can go to the 134 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: west instead. But that ended up kind of backfiring because 135 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: the storm was headed to North Carolina. At one point 136 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: we drove all the way to Birmingham. We woke up 137 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: the next morning and they were like, never mind, storm's 138 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: coming here, which the cone was over Birmingham exactly so, 139 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: which wouldn't have been that big of a deal. And 140 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't that we were so afraid that that Birmingham 141 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: was going to get a terrible hurricane. We were in 142 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: a pretty secure hotel. We knew it would be a 143 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: tropical storm, but we felt like that would make it 144 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: incredibly slow and difficult to get back if we were 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: trying to get back in the same direction that the 146 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: hurricane is going forward. This has been a pretty epic 147 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: travel though. I mean, just so our listeners understand, I mean, 148 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: it's not over. It's not over. They got to get back. 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: But you guys left at what eight thirty on Wednesday night? 150 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday night, got in its three thirty AMA into Okalla, 151 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and that should have taken like four and a half hours. 152 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: It took seven. Then from o'calla to Birmingham, we like 153 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: we left the next day at around one pm and 154 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: got there at like one am. That was Thursday. We 155 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: did stay in o'calla for the full day on Friday, 156 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: and again Birmingham. Yes, in Birmingham, thank you, which was great. 157 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: By the way, I love Birmingham now, it's awesome. I 158 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: want to go back. And then we kind of woke 159 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: up a bit of a panic yesterday morning, Sunday morning, 160 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: when it became clear that might be a hard way 161 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: to get out, and drove the I think it took 162 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: us eleven hours to get to carry which is just 163 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: outside of Raleigh. So now you're with family though, right, Yes, 164 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: we've been with my sister, which has been really really 165 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: fun and kind of like a bonus trip. That's my 166 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: silver lining. Although it's so hard to view it as 167 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: a vacation. I mean, you're on someone. It's like if 168 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: you knew you were like, Oh, we're going to go 169 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: to Birmingham and then to visit my sister and we're 170 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: going to be off from work for a week. I 171 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: mean that sounds cool, But it does he sound that bad? 172 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: View it that way when you're in it art least, 173 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: I can't. Maybe Josh kept trying to. He's like, you're 174 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: not in the moment, Like why are you checking your 175 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: phone so much? And I'm like, oh, well, because I'm 176 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: just not in the moment. You're right. I don't think 177 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to get back in the moment. I mean 178 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I was back to him for being able to do that, 179 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: But every time my phone would buzz, I'd be like, 180 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: someone hurt. What's going on? What's happening at home? Because 181 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: the truth is, like, you know, there was so much uncertainty, 182 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: and thankfully it seems like friends and family are okay. 183 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: There are definitely a lot of friends and family with 184 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: pretty major damage, like one of Josh's relatives had his 185 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: car completely smashed, like by a tree, other kind of 186 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: stuff like that, But lives are unscathed, and that's the 187 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: most important. That good, yeah, exactly, But but it's even 188 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: harrowing to think about though, as you're thinking about your 189 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: house and thinking, well, you know, what would three feet 190 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,359 Speaker 1: of water do in my house? I mean, what would it? 191 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: It would flood you know, kids' artwork that you'd never 192 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: get back in photos and things like that. And by 193 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: the time you know to leave, you don't necessarily have 194 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: time to get all of that into a safer location. 195 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: So we did. I threw like our most important files 196 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: up into a really high shelf, and I did bring 197 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: with us like our very you know, they tell you 198 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: to bring your Social Security card and all that kind 199 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: of stuff. So I brought a little plastic bag and 200 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: shove that in our luggage. So we have that with us. 201 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: And actually, for some reason, I wasn't as concerned about like, well, 202 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I guess I was concerned about this stuff. It was 203 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: more just like our lives, that we're going to be 204 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: the same kind of a thing if our house had 205 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: gotten ruined and we'd be somewhere else for a long time. 206 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: And you know, the potential financial damages because even for 207 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: people with insurance, there are some very large deductibles when 208 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: you live where we live, yeah, when you live close 209 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: to the water. Yes, And just so people know, Sara, 210 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Sarah's still not home and she's recording sort of impromptu. 211 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: We've pieced this together on the road here as we're 212 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: wondering if our sound quality is not as good as 213 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: it might normally be, that we're still still patching stuff 214 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: to gather here. But how have your kids taken it? 215 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even imagine trying to like entertain 216 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: two small children in a hotel room for many days 217 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: and while you're concerned about what's going on with the 218 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: house and with family members. So how did you manage 219 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: the kids during all this time? That has definitely been 220 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: a challenge. I think one thing that we've done right 221 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: is that almost every day that we're not spending the 222 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: day driving, we tried to tire them out outside, even 223 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: if that's just a local playground, and just let them 224 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: run and you know, make it seem like we're on 225 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: a trip and on a normal day. I think they 226 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: have definitely picked up on our stress level. You know, 227 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: we keep framing them, oh, this is a fun journey. 228 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: To make sure our family stays safe and everybody back 229 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: home is in really safe houses and that's why they 230 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: were able to stay. Because the truth is, we do 231 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of family that stayed more locally because 232 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: they had a more logical place to go, Like on 233 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: mainland in Florida. We just didn't really have that, and 234 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: all of our immediate family happened to be in that 235 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: evacuation zone, so, you know, so we were worried about family, 236 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: and I think our kids did pick up on that, 237 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: but we kind of emphasized that everyone went to logical 238 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: and safe places, and we showed them, you know, pictures 239 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: of everybody out hanging out in their own storms and 240 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: tried to keep it as light as possible so that 241 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: because I didn't want them to have horrible, you know 242 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: flashbacks of that time we whisked them away and we're 243 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: terribly scared, but I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. There have 244 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: been some tense moments, especially like if they're not cooperating 245 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: and we're really stressed at some moment, like you know, 246 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: looking for a gas for example, and they're talking or 247 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: demanding the iPad, et cetera. It hasn't been completely easy, 248 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, getting some outdoor time every day that we 249 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: can and making this as much of an adventure as possible. 250 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: I guess those have been our two main stays. And 251 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: how are you feeling? Because ianimes our listeners recall you 252 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: are six almost seven months pregnant. Seven han, Yeah, we're 253 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: coming up on seven. I'm doing pretty well. The bathroom stops, 254 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think how the bathroom stops work on 255 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: this clinically dehydrated I keep. I mean, if I end 256 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: up without a DVT, it really means I was never 257 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: meant to have a DVT. And no, I've been pretty good. 258 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm starting to have some weird like tendon stuff, which 259 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: I think is pregnancy related, and I think it's related 260 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: to driving, because if you have your arm bench for 261 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: a long time, so annoying stuff you never even really 262 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: think about. But otherwise, I'm just thankful the babies inside me, because, 263 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: let me tell you, that's at a million times easier 264 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: than taking this journey. I don't know what we would 265 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: have done if we'd had a brand new newborn. One 266 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: of my friends actually did just have a baby, and 267 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: she's a Miami Beach resident. Thankfully, her parents live Inland 268 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: and she was able to stay with them. But I 269 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: was just trying to put myself in her shoes, and 270 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: it was like, just that would be so hard because 271 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: how would you feed them? And ugh, diapers. I mean 272 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: that's something people don't think about. Also in terms of 273 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: natural disasters, is having a ready supply of diapers available. Yes, 274 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: and that is huge. I found a couple places are 275 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: donating diapers for like Hurricane Harvey relief. For instance, there's 276 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people who got flooded out of their 277 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: homes in Houston still living in shelters, and so that's 278 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: something if you're looking to donate, that's something a lot 279 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: of people don't. That's a great idea because that's doable 280 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: and such a necessity, such a necessity, and you know, 281 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: something that makes it'd be hard enough to be in 282 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: a shelter, for instance, with a baby, and then also 283 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: to be feel like you're low on diapers or formula 284 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: or something like that just added stress. It'd be amazing. 285 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: So what's the plan now? I mean, how are you 286 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: sort of taking your time getting back or is the 287 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: hospital opening again? They don't want to get back my office. 288 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: So I'm in a weird situation because I was supposed 289 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: to attend a work conference, like a pediatric endochronology conference, 290 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: this Wednesday, so like in two days in d C, 291 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: so I actually don't have the only days. So I 292 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: missed my patient day on Friday and I missed today, 293 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: and our office was closed both of those days. I 294 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: think our office is still going to be closed tomorrow. 295 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: So for me the patient care part, I'm not really 296 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: under that much pressure to get back because I wasn't 297 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: booked with patients for the rest of the week anyway, 298 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: so I was supposed to go to a conference. However, 299 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I would kind of still like to go to the 300 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: conference if possible. Miami seems to be picking back the pieces. 301 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: I've heard that there's power at least in some areas 302 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: of our neighborhood. So what I would really really love 303 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: it is if we could get back tomorrow so that 304 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: I could potentially still go to my conference on Wednesday. However, 305 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm learning to be very flexible with this, and if 306 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: that can't happen, that is also completely fine. And that's 307 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: tough for a planner, isn't it Just to know that 308 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: you can't know exactly. It's very tough. Now, if I 309 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: had been on call or had clinical duties, I think 310 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: my plans would have been different. We probably would have 311 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: either stayed with another faculty member that I know that 312 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: lives right near the hospital in Hollywood in a non 313 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: evacuation zone, or I might have tried to proposition the 314 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: hospital to see if they would just let me stay 315 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: with my family in a patient room, because that way, hey, 316 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: I can be there and be of help and my 317 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: family's safe. So that was sort of in the back 318 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: of my mind. I was thinking if I had been 319 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: on call, that's maybe how I would have handled things differently. 320 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: But thankfully I was not in the hot seat for 321 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: this one. So if you have any advice that you've 322 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: learned coming out of this, for anyone that winds up 323 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: in a situation like this, anything you've learned that you 324 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: wish you knew at the beginning of it, Oh my goodness. 325 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: I think the things that I would say. I've learned 326 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: that it's very hard to say one step ahead of 327 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: the crowd. So if you have a gut instinct that 328 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: you want to fly out of there and it kind 329 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: of seems early, you have to do it. Because I 330 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: actually I really did. I had like tickets to Philadelphia 331 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: in my cart for I think Thursday morning on like 332 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: I think I said Tuesday and they were still available 333 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: then and then by the time Wednesday ruled around like 334 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: there was no chance. So you have to know that 335 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be wanting to 336 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: do the same thing, and you sort of have to 337 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: be a couple steps ahead if you want to do 338 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: things like books something that runs out. And the other 339 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: thing is I guess to just embrace the sort of 340 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: like not knowingness of it all, Like you really have 341 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: to be flexible. Those cones are not set in stone 342 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: by any way, shape or form. You don't know if 343 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: something's gonna hit you when I think it's not, or 344 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, the other way around. I guess we're really 345 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: lucky that Miami didn't get a direct hit when we 346 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: thought they were. You know, you have to always consider 347 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: that it could go the other way too. So I 348 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: guess I just learned how much uncertainty is part of 349 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: the evacuation and hurricane life. And I really hope that 350 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't have to practice it again anytime. So let's 351 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: hope that's it for many years to come. Well, we're 352 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: gonna do This is gonna be a short episode, So Sarah, 353 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: have you got a love of the week for us? 354 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to jinx myself with my love of 355 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: the week, but our car has been okay. The two 356 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: heroes really of the past five days, Well, my husband 357 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: gets a shout out. He's a huge hero. Actually, he's 358 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: done a lot, like pretty much everything physical because I'm 359 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: just at this twenty eight weeks pregnant state and there 360 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: has been narry a complaint. I mean, it's been amazing. 361 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: But we'll use you know, we're gonna use tangible items. 362 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: So the two things I would them. He's our love 363 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: of the week too. But our stroller, our double Bob. 364 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: I actually was like, we don't need to bring that. 365 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: Come on then, but you know, when you have two 366 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: kids that fall asleep in the middle of the night 367 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: you need to bring them to the hotel room, or 368 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: if you need to cart a bunch of luggage a 369 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: million different times. That thing is just it's just a house. 370 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: It's the best thing ever. So our stroller and also 371 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: my car should get a really huge shout out. I'm 372 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: thinking it in advance because it's driven a lot of 373 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: hours and hasn't done anything bad, and I'm going to 374 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: cross my fingers that that trend also continues. Is this 375 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: the Prius. This is the six year old Prius. Yeah, 376 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: well it didn't even need that much gas, right, That 377 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: was like you had that in your corner. The thing 378 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: about the Prius is it doesn't need that much gas, 379 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: but it also doesn't hold that much gas. It has 380 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: a normal range, but it doesn't have like an extra 381 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: special awesome range. I wish it did. Yeah, that it'd 382 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: be in better sit, better shape. Well, there should be 383 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: gas tomorrow. Hopefully as your start we will see it's 384 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: actually configure. I'll be able to update on the next 385 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: week episode. Yeah, exactly. Well, my love of the week 386 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: is social media, which we've complained about in other episodes, 387 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: but it is due to that that I've been able 388 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: to stay in touch with people who have been in 389 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: the evacuation zones, who've been you know, posting about their whereabouts. 390 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: And it would be annoying to call everyone to tell 391 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: them where they were, and so a lot of people 392 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: I would have been just wondering what's going on, And 393 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: yet they can post and then you can say, okay, good, 394 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: that person's safe. This person's safe. It has been amazing 395 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: to have access to that. It's funny to think that, 396 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, even twenty years ago we didn't have that, 397 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: and so yes, the Internet takes away many things, but 398 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: it has some wonderful aspects to it as well. So 399 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: I think that's my love of the week. But anyway, 400 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: thank you all so much for tuning in. This has 401 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: been a very short, special mini episode of Best of 402 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: Both Worlds talking about Sarah's evacuation from Hurricane Irma. We 403 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: will be back next week with our usual topics. Thanks 404 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: for tuning in, Thanks for listening. 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