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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D Mallory and this.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit Boy my Son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of t M I.

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<v Speaker 2>Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and inspiration name

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<v Speaker 2>New Energy.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, my son, Lennon.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing, Tamika.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good, doing good, doing good.

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<v Speaker 3>Another weeks been a It was a long week, pretty eventful.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of the week, we all at Until

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<v Speaker 3>Freedom celebrated the union, the recommitment of Reverend Stephen A.

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<v Speaker 1>Green and Miss Brayer Green.

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<v Speaker 2>Green.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a cool story that over four years ago when

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<v Speaker 3>we moved to Kentucky to fight for Breonna Taylor, Stephen

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<v Speaker 3>was really responsible for helping us bring people into the movement,

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<v Speaker 3>for going out and finding, you know, the those people

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<v Speaker 3>who were gems in the city of Louisville, but weren't necessarily,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, folks that we would just walk up on

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<v Speaker 3>the street, because there were people who you could just

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<v Speaker 3>walk up to on the street and they were automatically activated.

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<v Speaker 3>But Brea and some other young people were doing a

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<v Speaker 3>great job of organizing and you know, holding activities and

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<v Speaker 3>really just being out there fighting for Brionna, protesting and

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<v Speaker 3>also educating the community and of course, in true Stephen

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<v Speaker 3>Green fashion, he found the group, the organization that she

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<v Speaker 3>was with, and you know, brought them to meet with us,

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<v Speaker 3>and out of that came love. The two of them,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, started dating shortly afterwards, and then next thing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we looked up and they were married. And

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<v Speaker 3>this was one year later where they have recommitted and

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<v Speaker 3>held a big ceremony that all of us were able

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<v Speaker 3>to attend. And then of course the parties. We you know,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody they party like we party. We know how to party.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was really a fabulous occasion. It's so good

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<v Speaker 3>to know that, you know, out of unfortunately the death

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<v Speaker 3>of Breonna Taylor, came a few really really good things.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's funny because I've had that conversation with U

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<v Speaker 3>Tamika Palmer, Brianna's mother in the past that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one day she and I were just we have been

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<v Speaker 3>having us wine and we were just talking and she

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<v Speaker 3>was crying and just going through her emotions, which you know,

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately happens often, and she said, you know, I said

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<v Speaker 3>to her, there have been some beautiful things to come

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<v Speaker 3>from even this tragic loss of your daughter, and she

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<v Speaker 3>was like, it has you know, those things. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's some of the stuff that she reflects on when

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<v Speaker 3>she gets sad. And so one of them is how

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<v Speaker 3>Brea and Steven met and out of that came love,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the two of them fell in love and

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<v Speaker 3>now they're married. And so their celebration, their good party afterwards.

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<v Speaker 3>This weekend, this past weekend was really special.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a beautiful event. Shout out to Brea and Stephen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I just love their energy because they have

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<v Speaker 2>this youthfulness and they have this this professionalist that they balance.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. You know that Stephen is an awesome preacher

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<v Speaker 2>and and Breya is very intelligent and she does a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of work with a lot of women's groups that

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<v Speaker 2>she's I see her organize a lot of events. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that well, But when it's time to party, they party,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I just love the dynamic that they

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<v Speaker 2>have and you know, I'm wishing them the best. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, the parties were amazing. You know that the

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<v Speaker 2>parties were dope, and like you said, them coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of Brianna Taylor, Like every time I look at them

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<v Speaker 2>like wow this. You know, I remember Stephen coming to

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<v Speaker 2>our and be with Brea and then we were all

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<v Speaker 2>just sitting at a table organizing and the next thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, now this is his wife, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>Breonna Taylor's fawned and evoked, you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>energy that you know, we we we want to we

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<v Speaker 2>want to be sad because we lost her, but we

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<v Speaker 2>have to acknowledge, you know, the things, even government officials

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<v Speaker 2>who've been elected, and just the way the energy in

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville shifted. They became a lot more unified and seeing

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<v Speaker 2>people just step into their their light to say so

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my son's birthday this past week, so the

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<v Speaker 2>festivities rolled on with him. Yesterday we played laser tag,

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<v Speaker 2>which was I've never done before. But they beat they

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<v Speaker 2>beat us like crazy. Him and his friends and his brother.

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<v Speaker 2>They they dig good at these games. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>sit on the games all day. So I'm running around

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<v Speaker 2>and they just keep killing me, and I'm like, why

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<v Speaker 2>can't I shoot nobody? You know, getting thirteen and fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>kills and I'm getting one. So I'll never lift that down.

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<v Speaker 2>So happy birthday, thirteenth birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, awesome, happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I guess the big one for me is

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<v Speaker 3>that I took my granddaughter to.

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<v Speaker 1>Her first day in school.

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<v Speaker 3>They you know, I call it daycare, but clearly this

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<v Speaker 3>is not daycare anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>This is actual school.

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<v Speaker 3>They have books, they've got to set up, but they

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<v Speaker 3>have they have to learn for certain points of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was little, daycare was literally you go to

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<v Speaker 3>the babysitter. Maybe it was in a center, but for

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<v Speaker 3>the most part, it was that somebody's out. This stuff

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<v Speaker 3>is the technology homegirl just walked right up in there

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<v Speaker 3>like it's not a big deal, like what's up?

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<v Speaker 1>Where's everything at?

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<v Speaker 3>And they have cameras where they can roll back the

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<v Speaker 3>camera of any time of day. The cameras are in

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<v Speaker 3>every location. When I walked up, her parents were already

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<v Speaker 3>there with her. I walked up and they have a

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<v Speaker 3>cold that you have to put in at the door.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we literally did not have any of that

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in the daycare back in the days, right like,

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<v Speaker 3>we just didn't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>It just wasn't There wasn't no cameras and their kids

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<v Speaker 2>up to.

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<v Speaker 1>No cameras, definitely none.

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<v Speaker 3>Having you know, maybe they kept the door locked, but

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<v Speaker 3>you have a code that you punch in that is

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<v Speaker 3>it is customized for each person, so they know the

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<v Speaker 3>time of entry in and out for everybody that's associated

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<v Speaker 3>with a particular code. You've got one section that has

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<v Speaker 3>all the babies and the I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 3>call it an infirmary, that's not an infirmary. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>a nursery, yep, nursery for little teeny babies. They got

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<v Speaker 3>this class that this is very high level professional and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the thing that's funny is that the kids

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<v Speaker 3>were prepared, like to go and meet and talk all

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<v Speaker 3>day and get the instructions as soon as I got

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<v Speaker 3>there about three minutes after them, and the director was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>we got it, and don't leave a pacify it because

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<v Speaker 3>that's oldbas of today.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa so. But she seemed like she's gonna do fine.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing about Blair is that when you tell

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<v Speaker 3>her to do something, I don't know exactly how that's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna work out. So we have, you know, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>the weekend and the beginning of this week is starting

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<v Speaker 3>out really good, but there's a lot of work to

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<v Speaker 3>be done. We're gonna be announcing more about our Project Freedom,

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<v Speaker 3>which will be rolling out all throughout the week, where

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<v Speaker 3>we will be presenting to the world sort of our concept.

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<v Speaker 1>For what we believe.

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<v Speaker 3>The counter project of Project twenty twenty five is that

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<v Speaker 3>is in favor of us as people who are black folks,

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<v Speaker 3>brown folks, and also marginalizing vulnerable communities. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about something later on in terms of this idea

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<v Speaker 3>of like when you lift black people, what happens? But

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<v Speaker 3>I do you know, I do think or I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was important for us to take the work that

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<v Speaker 3>we've been doing with the people we've been working with who.

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<v Speaker 1>Are on specific issues, you know, for us.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing that the Women's March did teach me is

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<v Speaker 3>about intersectional.

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<v Speaker 1>Movement building, right. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not familiar with that term in a movement space,

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<v Speaker 3>although of course we know what intersection means in the

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<v Speaker 3>concept of intersection. But learning about intersectionality and movement spaces

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<v Speaker 3>came during the time of the Women's March, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was really a lifesaver for me because I learned and

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<v Speaker 3>began to understand that even though one issue is my

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<v Speaker 3>issue and I'm super committed to it, it does not

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<v Speaker 3>mean that I can't make space for other people's issues,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that helped me to expand the people

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<v Speaker 3>who are around me and the types of folks that

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<v Speaker 3>I work with and talk to every day. The beauty

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<v Speaker 3>of I said our Project Freedom a few moments ago,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's actually the website, our projectfreedom dot com. The

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<v Speaker 3>name of it, the platform is Project Freedom, Project Freedom,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think the beauty of Project Freedom is just that.

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<v Speaker 1>So many different groups.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got gun violence awareness and prevention folks who deal

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<v Speaker 3>with policy there. We've got people who actually do mobilizing

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground for a lot of issues, but specifically

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<v Speaker 3>getting people to the polls and dealing with voter suppression.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got folks that deal with anti war advocacy. We've

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<v Speaker 3>got people who of course support Palestinian rights and looking

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<v Speaker 3>at how to get a cease fire in gun immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got policy folks that deal with education, had we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks that are in politics in general. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a broad, broad, broad base of folks.

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<v Speaker 3>And now when we open this up, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be bringing in the voices of so many other individuals

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<v Speaker 3>who have their own expertise. And so if you have

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<v Speaker 3>the time, go to our Project Freedom dot com. That's

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<v Speaker 3>our projectfreedom dot com to learn more about how we

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<v Speaker 3>see America, not through the lens of Project twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 3>where we understand the dangers, but through the lens of

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<v Speaker 3>the people looking at legislation that's already lingering. It's already

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<v Speaker 3>out there. We've already committed that these policies need to

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<v Speaker 3>be passed, and we've sort of compiled them and brought

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<v Speaker 3>them back together, freshened them up, and said, this is

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<v Speaker 3>how we can strengthen them, and this is how we

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<v Speaker 3>can pass them to alleviate some of the suffering, but

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<v Speaker 3>also to help add and and generate more success and

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<v Speaker 3>power among our community. So Ourproject Freedom dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>We definitely need that man, because there's so much misinformation,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's a misinformation campaign that you know it's online

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<v Speaker 2>that I constantly go to my page and I just

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<v Speaker 2>laugh now because I realize that I've seen Applies write

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<v Speaker 2>something on his page the other day that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we ain't fool that all these ain't black people that

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<v Speaker 2>y'all got on here. These are some box that you'll

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<v Speaker 2>do to send here, and we know it, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just so I laugh at it now because it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>a I put a post up that they don't like

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<v Speaker 2>they send one hundred people at a time to try

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<v Speaker 2>to overload it with just lies and just stupidity. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really, I'm really being intentional about stopping the misinformation,

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<v Speaker 2>about educating and getting real information and getting the facts,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and being able to fact check things. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to a meeting, you know, pretty much kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a private meeting but not so private. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a black man, couple of Hispanics just in

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<v Speaker 2>the room about misinformation and about how do we stop

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<v Speaker 2>the misinformation in our community, how what is the truth?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and there was a lot of different views,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, definitely talking about this election and what it

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<v Speaker 2>means and what they what they think happened, and what

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<v Speaker 2>they think a person did or what they know a

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<v Speaker 2>person did, and why person should be with this person

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<v Speaker 2>or why a person isn't with that person. So it was,

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<v Speaker 2>it was, it was very helpful. It was a strong

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue with a lot of strong individuals. I know, shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to my brother James McMillan who invited me to

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting, but it was a lot of very well

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<v Speaker 2>known people in the community, you know, within the industry

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<v Speaker 2>of music industry, within just different industries. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that those are the conversations in the rooms

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<v Speaker 2>that we need to be having at this time because

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I read online, you know, the sound bite,

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<v Speaker 2>the clickbait, the just anything so you can get your

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<v Speaker 2>narrative pushed, it's just terrible, you know. And knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people don't do the research, don't do

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<v Speaker 2>the work that it takes to actually get real information,

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<v Speaker 2>you realize that people are being misinformed every day and

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<v Speaker 2>they grabbing onto it. So I have conversations with people

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<v Speaker 2>and they come to me and ask me, so, what

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<v Speaker 2>about such and such and such and such did this,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd be like, that's not actual facts, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I showed them there, well, but such such said this,

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<v Speaker 2>And then I showed them and they be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't even know. And it's like, damn, there's too

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<v Speaker 2>many of us that just don't know, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to be disintentional about making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>real knowledge and real information and the true you know,

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<v Speaker 2>information that you can actual fact check and see is

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<v Speaker 2>out there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing about what you're saying is so important, that

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<v Speaker 3>is so important is it also helps us to brush

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<v Speaker 3>up on our skills making sure that we're constantly reading

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<v Speaker 3>and finding new information. Because as I have been listening

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<v Speaker 3>to Resi Colbert, who is an expert on a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of political things, but she specifically has followed Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 3>for a while and compiled lots of facts, and she

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<v Speaker 3>is all she's all around the Internet and around the

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<v Speaker 3>country dispelling myths about Kamala Harris, Vice President Harris. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>as I've been listening to her, and then I've been

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<v Speaker 3>reading the things that you know, she's directing me to,

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<v Speaker 3>I find other things because you know, once you become

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<v Speaker 3>a reader, once you become someone that is interested in

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge and information, you automatically will continue to go forward

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<v Speaker 3>in what you're learning so that you can pick up

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<v Speaker 3>the next point, right, so that you can pick up

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<v Speaker 3>the nuance and the context for which something is buried.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was looking at a clip the other day,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know this individual. She's attacked me several times

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<v Speaker 3>on the internet, so you know, I know her. This

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<v Speaker 3>clip had pieces of words that Kamala Harris has said.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, words selling that they they cut different pieces, they

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<v Speaker 2>splice it and they put another thing and it just

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<v Speaker 2>narrative and they.

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<v Speaker 3>Run with that, right, and the sad part about it

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<v Speaker 3>is that this is a person who prides herself on

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<v Speaker 3>being realer than everybody else. She's the realist, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody is more real than her. Everybody else is fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Not everybody, but there's a number of us that she

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<v Speaker 3>claims we're fake, and yet you're you're you're actually promoting

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<v Speaker 3>things that's not true and using little clips in order

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<v Speaker 3>to make a point about your position on someone. When

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, if you do your actual research right,

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<v Speaker 3>you can find things about anyone, even a good person,

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<v Speaker 3>even the person that you love, even your grandmama and

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<v Speaker 3>your mama. If you do real research, you can actually

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<v Speaker 3>bring forth factual information that helps to prove your point

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<v Speaker 3>about why you don't trust or believe in a particular individual.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to make up lies in order to

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<v Speaker 3>make your point. And that was one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 3>why the whole Project twenty twenty five was sitting on me.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't so much how the dangers of it, because

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<v Speaker 3>we know that we understand. But what was really what

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<v Speaker 3>I was really sitting with was the idea that people

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<v Speaker 3>were trying to make it worse when it was already bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't need, you know, Project twenty twenty five does

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<v Speaker 3>not need hyperbole. It does not need people to come

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<v Speaker 3>up with what is what they think is possible, or

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<v Speaker 3>what they think it means. Plus some it is very clear,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's very clear the mindset of the individuals who

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<v Speaker 3>developed it. And so I just think that to your point,

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<v Speaker 3>it forces us to as leaders be much more intentional

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<v Speaker 3>about the information that we're taking in. And it also

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<v Speaker 3>forces me to stop posting things and not have done that.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely have done that, to stop posting things without really

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<v Speaker 3>knowing the full context of it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying if I.

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<v Speaker 3>See a video of a man being killed or beaten

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<v Speaker 3>by the police or something like that, or a woman

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<v Speaker 3>or whomever, that I will not share that information and

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<v Speaker 3>call for us to learn more, to know more, and

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<v Speaker 3>more than likely I've already talked to somebody or I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of know the backstory, but the clips of people's words,

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<v Speaker 3>it has happened to me, you know, And so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just really really careful about that. But I think you're

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<v Speaker 3>right that the misinformation piece is important. It's happening, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think our Project Freedom, I'm not sure that it's

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<v Speaker 3>so much deals with misinformation, which it does because it

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<v Speaker 3>really kind of dispels the myth that there are no plans.

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<v Speaker 1>That nobody has any And also.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that it dispels is this idea that Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>Harris does not support legislation that is driven towards helping

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<v Speaker 3>majority black folks, right like the gun violence intervention and

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<v Speaker 3>prevention work they you know, it started out with people

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<v Speaker 3>trying to lobby for mass shootings, which are generally not

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<v Speaker 3>They don't classify the shootings that happen in our community

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<v Speaker 3>as mass shootings. However, now right because of the work

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<v Speaker 3>that passed, the McBride and Erica Ford and a number

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<v Speaker 3>of other individuals have done that, it is being.

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<v Speaker 1>Classified that way.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a complete set aside in the gun violence

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<v Speaker 3>prevention resources coming out of the federal government that is

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<v Speaker 3>for our communities, specifically targeting our communities where violence and

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<v Speaker 3>violent shootings happen the most. And so a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the legislation that is in this our in the Project

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<v Speaker 3>Freedom Platform, it's things that the Vice President has already

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<v Speaker 3>signed on to some of it. She's a co sponsor

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<v Speaker 3>of other bills. She's been very supportive of reparations. People

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<v Speaker 3>say she doesn't support reparations. That's a lie, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So now why it's necessary for us to bring this

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<v Speaker 3>what they say, bump it up in your inbox, is

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<v Speaker 3>because we need to make sure there's still a commitment

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<v Speaker 3>and we want to we want to push her on

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<v Speaker 3>her being able to say that I'm still committed to

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<v Speaker 3>these things that I had not sort of changed or

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<v Speaker 3>walked away from it because it's not politically expedient, and

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm committed to making much of what is in

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<v Speaker 3>these particular bills happen. At least I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a big advocate for it. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>work to be done. I want folks to check out

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<v Speaker 3>our project freedom dot com and you can come to

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<v Speaker 3>TMI Underscore show and send us a note and let

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<v Speaker 3>us know where you see some things that need to

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<v Speaker 3>be strengthened. There may be something in your local community

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't even know about that we should be

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<v Speaker 3>and we should be informed so that we can look

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<v Speaker 3>at the best ways to make it a part of

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<v Speaker 3>the four pillars of the policy platform. So my thought

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<v Speaker 3>of the day, speaking of misinformation, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>this goes in the same bucket. But I will tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that I'm really like, Wow, the scammer thing is

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<v Speaker 3>like really crazy, right, you know, on the surface, when

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<v Speaker 3>people say that somebody is a scammer or someone or

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<v Speaker 3>people have been scamming, I'm not sure that it connects

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<v Speaker 3>with us, right. Like sometimes I feel like when people

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<v Speaker 3>say or talk about scammers, you kind of think about

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<v Speaker 3>just like some free money that's just sitting there that

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<v Speaker 3>folks are taking, or bags handbags or something, you know

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<v Speaker 3>like that. But there are real people behind these situations

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<v Speaker 3>and that are victims of this behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was looking.

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<v Speaker 3>At a news article the other day where a man

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<v Speaker 3>says that hundreds of thousands of dollars were stolen and

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<v Speaker 3>he's a lawyer, and it was stolen from him because

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<v Speaker 3>he believed that he was a part of some operation

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<v Speaker 3>to catch scammers. So somebody scammed him into believing that

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<v Speaker 3>he was helping to catch other people, and as a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 3>still he did not know or wasn't paying attention, and

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<v Speaker 3>therefore his money was basically taken. Then you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>was another incident where a woman is saying that this

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<v Speaker 3>man that she was married to, he basically married her

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<v Speaker 3>and was draining her bank account, took all of her

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<v Speaker 3>life savings and emptied her out and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it. He's off on to the next thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was it came to me as my thought of

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<v Speaker 3>the day that we have to really look out for

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<v Speaker 3>the elders and the people in our lives that we

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<v Speaker 3>know are not as informed, and they don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>end because I don't see. I do know when you

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<v Speaker 3>go on cash app or whatever it tells you scamming,

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<v Speaker 3>is that as all time high.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do this, that and the third.

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<v Speaker 3>But like my parents, they don't cash app, They don't

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<v Speaker 3>do any of that because they know that they are

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<v Speaker 3>unaware of, you know, certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>They know that.

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<v Speaker 3>However, my mom got a phone call from somebody one

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<v Speaker 3>day who was telling her like, you know, we're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to check your your Social Security number because there's been fraud,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's like given the person the information and it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't dawn on her for a while that wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>I should not be having this conversation. So that just

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<v Speaker 3>tells me that, you know, we're we're at a place

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<v Speaker 3>where we have to do a lot of educating for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>And if your family members, your parents or other people.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't go to like a community center or somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>every day that you know, they have these conversations. They

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<v Speaker 3>may miss it. They may not even watch the news.

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<v Speaker 3>I know a lot of people that do not watch

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<v Speaker 3>the news. They hate it. It's just too much for them.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what do you do to get that information

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<v Speaker 3>out there? And I think that as a part of

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<v Speaker 3>the work that we do, we also need to be

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<v Speaker 3>informing our communities about how they can lose their life saveds,

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<v Speaker 3>they can lose their homes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>You still have people like Queen of Foua fighting for

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<v Speaker 3>her home in Brooklyn as these people try to take

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<v Speaker 3>her home from her. I mean, there's so many ways

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<v Speaker 3>that people are being scammed and being you know, being

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<v Speaker 3>being used and be and having things taken from them

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<v Speaker 3>that belong to them. And I just I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>just an important conversation for us to be having.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a very important conversation. You know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of if you if you watch this movie called

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<v Speaker 2>I Think It's to Be Something to Be and Felicia

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<v Speaker 2>Rashad stars and she's an older lady and somebody scams her,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they call her and they get she she's

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<v Speaker 2>holding like two million dollars for school. You know, she's

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<v Speaker 2>an old retired teacher and she's holding this money, and

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<v Speaker 2>they scam her and take all the money on her

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<v Speaker 2>account with some telling her gift, just give us this

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<v Speaker 2>past call, We're gonna fix your bank account, and this

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<v Speaker 2>and that and and they scam And I see those

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<v Speaker 2>things happening, like I've almost felt for it. Like they've

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<v Speaker 2>called me and be like, hey, something's going wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>your your your Chase account. Who when somebody scamming it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this your thing? And and you be like what?

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<v Speaker 2>Then you call? And then I had to in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of it, I'm like, what the fuck am I

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<v Speaker 2>even doing? You know what I'm saying? So and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a I'm more technologically savvy than you know, most of

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<v Speaker 2>our elders, and it almost got me with it. So

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<v Speaker 2>we have to really be intentional about that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>as some of us that are a little younger, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to be talking to our elder body to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we listen. Nobody call you about no numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't give nobody no numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I think that's something that we need to

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<v Speaker 2>do because and it looks good.

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<v Speaker 3>Like all of the stuff that they send you like,

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<v Speaker 3>it really looks good. Sometimes I'll get stuff Amazon such

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<v Speaker 3>and such dot com, but if you don't open it,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know, and it'll be like click here or

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<v Speaker 3>do this or whatever. Your package UPS and you when

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<v Speaker 3>you look at the addresses, the ending of it, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that it's not official. So like these they really

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<v Speaker 3>and and you know what's interesting is every time I

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<v Speaker 3>send something via UPS, I started getting the scamming not

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 3>ups USPS United States Post Service. Whenever I send something

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<v Speaker 3>from them, I start getting notifications that my package is

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<v Speaker 3>delayed because of X, Y and z. And when I

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<v Speaker 3>look at it, I know that it's a fake account.

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<v Speaker 3>But how they know that I've sent something? Like, for instance,

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 3>I didn't send anything last week, I didn't get anything

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 3>last week, But if I do this week, in a

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 3>couple of days, I start getting stuff. So that means

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 3>that somehow they the system knows that you have sent something.

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I get them for FedEx sometimes, and then they start

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 3>reaching out to you with these codes. And when people say, well,

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 3>you know it's a fake fake bots, I always tell

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 3>people that bots are controlled by humans. There's no such

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 3>thing as a box system that just operates on its own.

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.360
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it goes out and does the work on its

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 3>own and multiplies and they could do, you know, millions,

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 3>more than one person. But somebody has to figure out

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 3>the coding for it, figure out what they're trying to do,

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 3>figure out the scam to, you know, get the information.

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 3>You sent something on USPS, you sent something FedEx. They

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 3>have to be able to figure that out first so

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 3>that they can tell the system what it's looking for

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 3>and what they're trying to do. So no matter what,

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 3>there's still somebody at the helm of, you know, at

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 3>the set off end of making this stuff happen. And

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 3>it's actually pretty scary. I'll never forget. I think I

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 3>told the story on here before that a pastor and

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 3>his wife was telling me one time that the pastor

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 3>is sitting in the house.

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>It's a Sunday afternoon.

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 3>He's trying to rest, and his wife is flying back

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 3>and forth in the house, going back, got his shoes on.

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Somebody ringing the doorbell and she's flying back and forth

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 3>in the house. He's thinking it's possibly a delivery or

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 3>something like that, so he's not really paying attention. Plus,

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, men y'all be like these women. Who knows

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 3>what she's doing? So you know whatever. So after a while,

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>she was hustling so hard back and forth that he's

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>stopped and she is passing him. So he's sitting there

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 3>and she's not telling him what she's doing, not because

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 3>she's keeping it a secret, but because the situation at

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the door is so serious that she's got to make

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 3>it happen and then tell him about it later.

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.199
<v Speaker 1>So eventually he says, so what are you doing? Like

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>who is that and what's going on?

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, our grandson is locked up, and I

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 3>have to give this man five thousand dollars right now

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>so that he could go and get him.

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna go with him.

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 3>We gotta go get the money. We need to have

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 3>cash to go to the ball bondsman.

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>He's a bail.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Person and he and he's like, what the hell are

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 3>you talking about?

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>What man?

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>And she's collecting money around house and about to go

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 3>to the ATM to get the rest of the cash

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 3>to go to the ball bondsman. And she know, which

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>is true, that you need cash when you go to

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 3>most of these bail people. So she knew that, so

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 3>that wasn't like a line, right, Like that founded right,

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 3>because you do gotta have cash when you go to bailbondsmen.

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 3>So the bailbondsmen is showing up telling her your grandson

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 3>has been arrested and he couldn't reach you, so he

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 3>sent me over here to get the money to go

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 3>bail him out. And she was actually getting their money

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 3>and their household together to give to this man without

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 3>her husband. And these are people. They are pastor and

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 3>first lady of a church. These people are smart. You know,

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 3>she's a study woman, but her emotions took over her mind.

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm telling you, these scammers they know how to

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>pull at the heartstrings. Man. You told us some of

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 2>my kids and the grandkids. Yeah. Immediately they trying to

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>figure it out what's going on, how we're going to

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 2>do it, you know, And it has to be someone

0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>who's a little more leveled. They step back and be

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>like whoa, whoa. You know, it's just like three card Moley.

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>You remember what you told me, the story how you

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>went there and they got you for your money. It

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>got to be somebody that because every time they walk

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>up to me, I see people getting them and then

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>they be like, yo, you want to get it. I'm like, bro,

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm from New York. Like I've been in all of them.

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I've been in the Brons, they say, because they know

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>you can't run that game with me. I've been here.

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. I was just gone gone

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>in seconds, and they run. They act like they lost

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>two hundred, and they be like, yo, you can win

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the next two hundred. Come on, all you gotta do

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 2>is put twenty dollars right here. Just put it here

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>here here, Oh you won. They act like you won

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 2>before you pick it here?

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>You won?

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>You like, no, no, no, here, win win bet bet the.

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Long, long time, long time. I didn't even know they

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>still played that game anyway.

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 2>So I just have this, you know, a question for

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 2>you as an aka. You know you hear this whole

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Kamala's not black. Kamala's not black. She ain't black, She

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>ain't this, this and that, and then you know a

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of people are it don't matge that she went

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 2>to APCU and it don't matter that she's an ak

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>as an ak of your knowledge, Are there non black

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>women who are aks?

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not.

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 3>So when you look at our charter or the documents

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 3>that you see online about you know, about the sorority.

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 3>It says that they do not discriminate. So what it says,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 3>and I would say they don't discriminate. But I have

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 3>never in my life, not one time, have I ever

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 3>met a white woman or any other type of woman,

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 3>or at least someone that does not have black in

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 3>them and identify with being black as a member of

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 3>the Alpha Kappa Alpha or any of the Divine Nine.

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that they're not there. I'm sure that

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 3>there's probably you know, a white person or two you know,

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 3>or or some other uh a person who has identifies

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 3>with a different race.

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that there's one or two that exists in

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>different places.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>But I can tell you that Kamala Harris is not

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 3>one of them. First of all, it's not a comfortable

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 3>space for people who are not black. If you ask me,

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I know I wouldn't want to be because everything about

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 3>how we operate, everything about how we started, you know,

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 3>with black women at Howard University starting this sorority, and

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 3>in other spaces of the Divine Nine, still black folks

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 3>starting these these institutions. You know, I've not ever ever

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 3>experienced anything blacker. I've you know, it is a place

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 3>where I bring my entire self, where the culture, uh,

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 3>the identity, the the the the research that we do,

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 3>the conversations we have, all of It is very very

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 3>clear to me that you if you are in the

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 3>sorority and you pledged and you went through the process,

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 3>it is ninety nine percent likely that you identify as

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 3>being black and also to go to an HBCU. And

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 3>it's not like Kamala Harris is a honorary member, because

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 3>see that's very different, right. I mean when you think

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:38.719
<v Speaker 3>about Alicia Keys here she is she is a woman

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 3>whose mother is white, but she identifies as black. She

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 3>is a black father, white mother, she identifies as black. Right,

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 3>she is an honorary member of the Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority. Right,

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:58.719
<v Speaker 3>And therefore someone could say, which she's you know very

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 3>much so into it. And we were just talking the

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 3>other day and she's like, you know, I'm getting even

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 3>more excited about being a part of this sisterhood.

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 3>And so this is prior to Kamala Harris being announced

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 3>as the nominee.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 1>So she was already on the phone.

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 3>We were just kicking it about like what did you

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 3>do to speak, and I was like, oh, I was

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 3>around some sororities. She's like, you know what, I've been

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 3>talking to some of my sisters, some of the people

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.240
<v Speaker 3>on her line, and she's like, you know, I'm even

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>more excited, like we're talking about doing some really good

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 3>things together. But again, she's honorary. Jada Pinkett Smith is

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 3>an honorary member, so you can look at people like

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 3>them and say, well, they're honorary and so maybe you

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 3>know they don't identify ads much with the culture.

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>They have to kind of learn it.

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 3>No, she pledged, right, So Kamala Harris pledged she was

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>on a line, and I think for a lot of

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 3>people who don't understand, I promise you that there is

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 3>almost no member of the Divine Nine, even if they

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 3>do not like Kamala Harris, they don't support her, they

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 3>have issues with her.

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I promise you you will not find one.

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you know, you'll find some French person because of

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 3>course we never like to speak in absolutes, but it

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 3>will be very hard to find someone who will say

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 3>that after she pledged to get into Alpha Kappa Alpha,

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 3>that she is she doesn't consider herself to be black

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 3>that's impossible. But you know what the big thing is

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 3>and the reason and my answer to why I know

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 3>that she considers herself black and has always done so,

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 3>is because I've met her a lot of people who

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 3>are talking, people who have so much to say about

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 3>what she believes in and how she is and who

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 3>she is. They have no idea about anything. They don't

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 3>know her, they've never seen her. They don't they have

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 3>no idea. In fact, they have. There are tapes, there's recordings,

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 3>because I have received the number of them from people

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 3>who are like, why do they keep saying that she

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 3>doesn't identify as being black? When she said this, and

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 3>she said that, and she went to HBTU and she's

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 3>an Alpha Kappa ALTFHA and she's done all these things

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 3>and it's funny, it's like you gotta do all that.

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, of course she identifies with her Indian heritage,

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 3>of course she does.

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to. I don't understand why people see

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>that as something wrong. Like you, if you are a

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>multi racial individual, if you have Indian heritage and you

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 2>have Jamaican heritage, why would you just ignore the heritage

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 2>that is your part of your culture? Like why would

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>you not say that? And if in spaces and when

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.479
<v Speaker 2>they talk about, you know, being an Indian and you're

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>the first Indian in that space, why would you not

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.919
<v Speaker 2>gravitate to that and say, yes, I'm the first person

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>of Indian descent to reach that space.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 3>And that's a question, like, I don't know because I

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 3>haven't heard it, but I would love to hear where

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 3>she said she's Indian.

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, she said that I'm of Indian in descent. She was,

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 2>she was she was taking into an Indian group and

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 2>she said, I'm proud to be one of the first

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>people of Indian descent to reach this this plateau. And

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 2>that means that you're denying that you're black, that you

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be black, that you don't gravitate to

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>being black. She was talking to the girl, the Indian girl,

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Mindy and on her show, The Cooking Show, and Indy

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Mindy is an Indian girl, and she was talking about how, yes,

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 2>you look like a lot of people and my mother's

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 2>my mother's sisters and all these things. Yeah, and she's

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about the recipes and mother ughsed and she was

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.720
<v Speaker 2>talking about things that happened a part of her Indian

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 2>culture and she identified with And I don't think it's

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>anything wrong with that.

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you.

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Are multicultural, multi racial individuals, is nothing wrong with embracing

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 2>both parts of yourself. But when you live yourself, when

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 2>you live your life like a black woman every day,

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, people can't take that away from you. And

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>people want you to to be what they want you

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>to be. And I think it's so unfortunate that that

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 2>people like her constantly have to prove her blackness. You know,

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I went back to the interview that she did on

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the Breakfast Club five years ago, you know, when she

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 2>was doing the you know, when she was on the

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>presidential campaign, and she was just talking about that and

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Charlemagne was asking her. She's like, I don't care what

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>people think, Like you think, I've heard it all before,

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know. At this point, I'm not

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to prove my blackness to somebody. I've been black,

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 2>i am black, and I'm a die black, and that's

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.839
<v Speaker 2>just what it is. And whether somebody likes it or not,

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter, you know. So it's it's just I

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 2>was asking that question because I keep hearing, oh, you know,

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 2>you can be this and that, and I just I've

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 2>never seen any members.

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>They might be there. Like I said, I'm just trying to.

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Say I have never I have never heard of the divide.

0:38:55.840 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying the culture, the culture again is very strong.

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>In fact, you know what, I did meet.

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 3>A white guy not long ago who was in I

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 3>think he was a Kappa. I believe I might be

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 3>wrong about that. Don't come for me Kappus, but I

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.760
<v Speaker 3>think he was. And you know, and he was blended

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 3>with the group. And I saw him doing you know,

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 3>their stepping and whatever, and I was like, okay, that

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 3>was for me. It was like, oh, like, it's not

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.760
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't a natural thought, it wasn't a natural feeling.

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 3>It was like, oh, okay, I'm not upset about it,

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:38.799
<v Speaker 3>but it's not the norm. And I think, you know,

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 3>like you said, the fact that she has to prove

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 3>that she's black, you know, she's not the She is

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:52.240
<v Speaker 3>not the only person who has had to go through this,

0:39:53.239 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 3>because when I think about young kids in schools, right

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 3>that meanness that exists where just some miserable people who

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 3>are very mean. That happens a lot right where a

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.280
<v Speaker 3>kid comes to school and they're too light for some people,

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 3>so they're not black enough. They're too dark for other people,

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 3>so they don't fit into the light skin club. And

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like a constant thing where they're feeling like they

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 3>don't really belong anywhere. But I think she reaffirmed for us,

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 3>for herself, more so for her felt than for us,

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 3>her blackness by attending an HBTU. She could have gone

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 3>anywhere that she wanted to go, right, but she attended

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 3>an HBTU. And then she sought out a sorority. That

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:57.240
<v Speaker 3>is a sorority that well yet well exemplifies a good word.

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>But I want to say something else.

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 3>She sought out a sorority that exhausts black excellence.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Like that is what it's all.

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 3>About, is lifting us up as women and displaying to

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 3>the world that we're all different size of shapes. We

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 3>come from political backgrounds, economic backgrounds, you know, activist black backgrounds.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 3>We come from business, we come from education, We come

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 3>from so many different places. But these are beautiful, prestigious

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 3>women and particularly black women.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>And so and again I'm say this and I'm done.

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 3>I know Kamla Harris, I just I just I you know,

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 3>there are people who are like I met with her

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 3>and she said this, and I said that, and you know,

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.720
<v Speaker 3>whatever interactions she's had with certain individuals, that's cool.

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I've actually been in space with this woman.

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.279
<v Speaker 3>I have talked to her. I've been in space with

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 3>her more than one time.

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 3>I have been at fundraises where you know, we raised

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.759
<v Speaker 3>money for her in the past. I have sat in

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:04.479
<v Speaker 3>rooms she is black, period, that's it. So if there's

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 3>a culture for black people that I know that I

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 3>have right the vernacular the way that I just present.

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.760
<v Speaker 3>And I've been in rooms where it was mixed company.

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 3>It's not like I was in only rooms that were

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 3>black spaces with Vice President Harris. I've been in rooms

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 3>where it was you know, about issues that there were

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 3>more than just black people that were interest groups in

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 3>that area. And she always represented a black woman to me.

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 3>And I've heard her say out of her mouth that

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 3>as a black woman, I understand, And that's been in

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 3>contentious conversation sometimes when she's like, listen, as a black woman,

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.720
<v Speaker 3>I understand what you all are saying. I'm working through

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 3>XYZ or whatever her perspective. Maybe, So I just you know,

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 3>I just think it's whack. But at the same time,

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 3>to your point earlier, there's a lot of work. I decided,

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 3>my son, I'm not fighting anybody. You can fight, that's

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 3>what you like to do. You are a person who

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 3>knows how to debate and fight and go at it.

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing it. So that's it.

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 3>If you with us, and you need access to the ballots,

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:16.359
<v Speaker 3>so you need to get there.

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 1>You need your voting, the voting roles, not to have.

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Purged your name, or you need you know, whatever, you

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 3>need to be able to do what you have to

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 3>do because you want to see a greater future for us.

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 3>And then you want to be a part of a

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 3>movement that fights, whether it's Kamala Harris or whoever the

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 3>hell it is. Afterwards, I'm open. I'm there to organize you.

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 3>If you need information, the correct information, I'm there. But

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 3>if you think that I'm fin to travel this country

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 3>or go out talking to people trying to force them

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 3>and convince them, not doing it. Sorry, not even my

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 3>own family.

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like I tell you, I've taken on the

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>project of stopping misinformation. It is a thing for me.

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I've watched us suffer from it. I watched people come

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 2>online and say shit about us and say shit about

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>people we knew, and there's nobody to combat those lives

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 2>with facts, and nobody does it. And he just let

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 2>it go, and he just let it go, and then

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 2>it becomes it becomes facts to people. So every day

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I still hear dumb shit. So I've taken on it

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:25.799
<v Speaker 2>like I'm just not gonna let you sit in my

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>face and say shit that I know that's not true.

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say, hey, that's not true. You know,

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna say it's not true.

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I mean, I might do that, but I'm

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 3>just I wasn't even so much talking about that. I

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 3>just know how when we go out and we knock

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.919
<v Speaker 3>on doors and we organize people, you guys sometimes will

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 3>get into heated arguments with folks and be you know,

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.319
<v Speaker 3>really going back and forth. I'm just I don't have it.

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't have it. I'm being honest, like, I don't

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 3>have it anymore. We've been in this movement for different timespans.

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.919
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing this for almost thirty years. I've lost

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of friends, people that I love because our

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 3>political ideology did not align and I just decided that

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm just not gonna do much of that. Even the

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 3>ones that I watch promote Trump and say they be

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 3>spreading misinformation themselves. I might say one or two lines,

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 3>but when they write back to me trying to engage me,

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't even do it because I'm just not Like.

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:24.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna make sure that I place a comment

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 3>here that lets people know that if you want real information,

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 3>you should go checks on.

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's it. So I'm gonna do.

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get it, it makes sense. I just I

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.000
<v Speaker 2>take a different position. You know. I'm just gonna always

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 2>speak truth about because it's so much misinformation that you know.

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Every now and then I'm gonna post something. It's gonna

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:44.879
<v Speaker 2>rough with feathers. But I don't care what you think

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>about what I think. I say that all the time.

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Your opinion of my opinion is your business. I really

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>don't give a fuck. If you can take my opinion

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 2>and show that my opinion is a lie or it

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.760
<v Speaker 2>lacks factual and then then this could be a conversation

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 2>with the fact that you just don't agree with what

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, or you have a different position. You need

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 2>to put that shit on your page, because I don't

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 2>care whether you agree. Like people get mad at me

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 2>for saying I'm voting for black people because they black.

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't need no other reason. You might need another reason.

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>You might feel like, oh, oh, that's not small. Okay,

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 2>that's not small for you. It's smart for me because

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I've watched white people do things for white people just

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>because they white. The whole time I've been in America.

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I watch white privilege in white you know, nepotism and

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 2>all of that shit. I watched that happen throughout my life.

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>So to make me feel bad for wanting to see

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>black people succeed and getting positions of power and utilize

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of voice and vote and whatever I

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 2>have to do, So you can't make me feel bad

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 2>for that. There's nobody, there's nothing that anybody in the

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 2>world can say that make me feel like I'm bad

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 2>or wrong. So that's why.

0:46:57.440 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 3>But I would say that, and I told you this,

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 3>that not all black people need to be governing our communities, right,

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 3>And so if you have an opportunity to choose between

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 3>a white person that actually is committed, that's doing good work,

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 3>that's in the movement, that wants to see police reform

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 3>that would not let offices just punch and knocked down,

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 3>you know people. And then there's a black person that's

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:22.319
<v Speaker 3>all for stopping frisk.

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 2>And doin't Tim Scott, if it ain't Candice Owens, it

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 2>ain't Daniel Cameron, if it ain't that the people, because

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I still.

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Don't still I mean, I hear you, But again, it

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to be as severe as a Tim Scott

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 3>and all of these people. There are folks that we

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 3>see every day in our communities that are black people

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 3>that are not worth the the the I was getting

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:50.400
<v Speaker 3>ready to say something crazy, but they're not worth the

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 3>dirt they walk on.

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 1>They're just not right.

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 3>And then there are some white people that are super

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.759
<v Speaker 3>committed to the work. It's like if Julian Hoffenberg, who

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 3>was a white woman that we were work very closely with,

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 3>if she was running for office against and I won't

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 3>say names because people will get upset, but another black

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 3>person in our community, I'm definitely gonna choose her. I'm

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 3>not going to just choose the black person just because

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 3>they're black. So I think there has to be context

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:21.240
<v Speaker 3>surrounding that because I would not I want to vote

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 3>for who I think is going to actually make the

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:27.400
<v Speaker 3>best change in the best situation for my community.

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I hear what you're saying, and that makes sense in

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 2>the context of what you're saying, right, But what I'm

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 2>trying to say is, if it's Julian Hoffenberg, right, and

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:40.400
<v Speaker 2>it's other black people within this community right that I

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 2>know that do the same work as Julian Hoffenberg. As

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 2>much as I know love Julian Hoffenberg, I understand that

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 2>the dynamics of this community, Julian Hoffenberg doesn't understand it

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the same way that most of the black women that

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I know that would actually be running for office do.

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I know that she loves black people. I know she

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 2>kids with black people, but the dynamics and growing up

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 2>in this community, dealing with the poverty and shit that

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.879
<v Speaker 2>had to go on this community, I know that that's

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 2>not her reality.

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 1>So I hate that.

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.479
<v Speaker 2>So listen, So listen what I'm saying. So if those

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>are if the choices come between those black women, I

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 2>love Jews and I want her to but I understand

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>the dynamics of what's going on, and I also understand

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 2>the dynamics of America and understand that nine times out

0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 2>of ten, the average white person that sees Jews is

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 2>gonna vote for her just because she's white. And that's

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 2>just the reality that we're dealing with in America. So

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I understand that in these situations, the black person is

0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 2>always gonna come from behind. It's always starting at a

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 2>little place, don't even matter what the qualifications they have.

0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:39.799
<v Speaker 2>So these are realities that I'm dealing with. So when

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about I'm voting for everybody black if it's

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 2>a ticket, especially in that set, especially if it's some

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>seventy year old white man, eighty ye old white man.

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 2>There's no way that I'm ever voting for an eighty

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.920
<v Speaker 2>year old white man over anybody black. Again, that's just

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>never gonna happen in the history of I'm talking me.

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 3>I get what you're saying, but I say I think

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 3>that we know as leaders, we have to be very

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:08.640
<v Speaker 3>careful with how we present information, and so what I

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:12.320
<v Speaker 3>hear you saying makes sense. But that's why we're always

0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 3>discussing the use of the word everybody right, because everybody black.

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Does not deserve your vote.

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:23.719
<v Speaker 3>Everybody of anything is not good for our people. I

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 3>think that the better thing to say is I'm looking

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 3>for the best black person in.

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<v Speaker 1>Every situation that I can agree with.

0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 3>But to say that we're just voting for everybody black,

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 3>knowing that there are people who could be more qualified

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:42.759
<v Speaker 3>from other communities, that does not make sense because, like

0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 3>I said, even people in our community don't deserve our

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 3>vote the way that some people from outside the community may.

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:52.280
<v Speaker 1>They just don't.

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 2>How many times has somebody that deserved our vote that

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>was black didn't win to somebody that didn't deserve it

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.839
<v Speaker 2>there was white house. Does that happen?

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Weis? Has somebody got.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody who deserved our vote that was black, that was qualified,

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that was way more qualified than the white person, didn't

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:17.359
<v Speaker 2>get voted in right and lost just because the white

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 2>people said, I'm voting for the white person.

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 3>How many time happens often?

0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:24.799
<v Speaker 2>So what I'm trying to say, So, what I'm trying

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to say is you playing by rule that nobody else

0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:31.720
<v Speaker 2>is playing by, and that's why we keep losing because

0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 2>you having this you know, I'm I'm I'm sitting here

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to vote for the most qualifier, and.

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:37.280
<v Speaker 1>That shit is cool.

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 2>The thing is this, if we have two candidates, right,

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and they both they both good candidates, or both of

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:48.120
<v Speaker 2>them are bad candidates. I'm going with the black bad

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:50.800
<v Speaker 2>if I have to choose. If I have to choose,

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm going if they both got some shit, I'm going

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.799
<v Speaker 2>with the white person, I mean, the black person. If

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 2>they both good candidates. The thing that's gonna push me

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:00.919
<v Speaker 2>to the next level with where I draw the line

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 2>is Okay, that's the black person. I'm going with the

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:05.439
<v Speaker 2>black person. So that's what I'm trying to say. I'm

0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>not gonna vote for anybody that I think is just

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:10.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna hurt me, right, But I know, I know in

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:13.479
<v Speaker 2>most of these instances when there's a black candidate that

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I've seen, the white candidate hasn't been better than them.

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:19.840
<v Speaker 2>They just haven't been bet at them and they've lost

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of their time. So at what point do

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 2>we start.

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that.

0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 3>I think you're right that white people they have more

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 3>resources to run longer, better races, and sometimes the black

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 3>person is sitting right there and they are actual they

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 3>are an actual benefit to the community, and they don't even.

0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Get the type of screen time that they deserve.

0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 3>Case in point would be Cornell West right, like he

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 3>deserves much more screen time, should be in debate, should

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 3>be on it, It should have been in a primary candidate,

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 3>And certainly I respect that I understand what all I'm

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:05.480
<v Speaker 3>saying is I would think about the best way to

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 3>message what you're saying in a way that helps the

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:13.120
<v Speaker 3>person who really does not understand, because what you never

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.319
<v Speaker 3>want to do is just because you know, people listen to.

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Snippets, they listen to a little bit of information.

0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 3>They hear you saying you voting for everybody black, You don't,

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter to you. You with everybody black, which

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.960
<v Speaker 3>I've seen you write it and I've heard you say it,

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:31.040
<v Speaker 3>And then they become a demise to their own community

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:34.799
<v Speaker 3>by just siding with black people all the time and

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.400
<v Speaker 3>not realizing that sometimes that black person is being paid

0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 3>by operatives they're doing with them running in.

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:44.080
<v Speaker 1>The race, they actually are not for the community.

0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 3>And you might have a white progressive candidate who really

0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 3>is trying to do the right thing and we should

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 3>be looking at them, but they got from you that

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 3>they just should vote from black for black people. So

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.759
<v Speaker 3>I think that that messaging has to be tweaked in

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.640
<v Speaker 3>a way where it comes across better to people who

0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:05.919
<v Speaker 3>are not as politically inclined and don't understand the nuances

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 3>of what you're saying, you know. So that's that's the

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 3>only thing that I would suggest going.

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.240
<v Speaker 2>To hear you. And I think when I distinguish between

0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 2>the candice on types and then you can and they

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 2>don't always.

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:18.879
<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you something that I said the other

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.840
<v Speaker 3>day when we were talking, people were online talking about

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Waka Flaka, and they were like, well, you know all

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.440
<v Speaker 3>this information out here, he could just read the information,

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:32.520
<v Speaker 3>like you know, don't tell me that he doesn't know

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 3>because he can read. A lot of times people do

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 3>not even know how to understand what they read. They

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:43.319
<v Speaker 3>don't know like they they don't know when they read

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 3>it because I get stuff and I read it, and

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 3>I be going to other people Linda or you or

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.879
<v Speaker 3>somebody else like what does this mean?

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I think I understand.

0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 3>It, but I'm a little confused, right, Some people don't

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 3>have folks around like that.

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.399
<v Speaker 1>And I think in ten, leadership is.

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Being able to bite size, as you used to tell me,

0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:08.080
<v Speaker 3>because remember I would be concerned and well, I don't

0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 3>speak as well as these people. I don't want to

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 3>go into certain spaces and you would say no, the

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.880
<v Speaker 3>way that you are able to break down information for

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:20.480
<v Speaker 3>the person that doesn't that doesn't they ain't read nothing,

0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 3>they don't know these words, they haven't been exposed in

0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 3>these ways. That is very important. So I'm saying all

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 3>of that to say to you that you I'm trying you.

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:33.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that I understand what's in your head. But

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you that as a listener to you, someone

0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 3>who your leadership matters to me, it needs a little

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 3>bit of tweaking so that it comes across better for

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.320
<v Speaker 3>a person like me or somebody who has even less

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 3>information than I have, because it gives the impression that

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:54.520
<v Speaker 3>we should be willing to support bad black people too,

0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 3>And I don't think that that is a good But.

0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 2>That's never been my my point because when i'm when

0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I I distinguish between the bad black people. Right. So

0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 2>if if if that's what you got, I don't know

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 2>how you got that, but cool, I'll do a lot better.

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm going I'm going to say, if it's not these

0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 2>type of individual black people, then I'm voting with the

0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:19.200
<v Speaker 2>black people. So I'm I'm a clarify I'm what you

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to understand. If it's not the Uncle Tom's the people

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 2>that we know that stepping in fetching the the the

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 2>c double O O N s those, it's not them.

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm with the black people because I understand the dynamics.

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I understand that for all of these years, everybody has

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.080
<v Speaker 2>been with them when they when they do demographics, when

0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 2>they go and do the voting polls in certain places,

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:48.319
<v Speaker 2>they automatically by race, they give it to the to

0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the white people. They say, okay, this is this is

0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 2>populated by majority whites on this they you.

0:56:55.239 --> 0:57:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Mean the actual systems like the machine where they with

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:02.520
<v Speaker 3>them in which community.

0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Know why, because they understand that these white people is

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna vote with that white man.

0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:10.279
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, I guess, I guess I hear what

0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 3>you're saying. And I do know that you're right that

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 3>voter suppression that there is uh uh a. It is

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 3>a thing that the voting poles are often not situated

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 3>in the best place for black folks to get access

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 3>to it, or will have like one polling location which

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.920
<v Speaker 3>you know it's like longer lines. And you know, when

0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 3>you go to the white folks in neighborhoods it's much.

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Easier to vote to vote.

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 3>They make it much, you know, much more convenient for them.

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.120
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not disagreeing with you about that, but I

0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 3>don't know that. I mean, I guess white people majority

0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 3>vote with their own kind.

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's true.

0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 3>But we've seen in history where white people have crossed

0:57:55.240 --> 0:58:01.880
<v Speaker 3>over Barack Obamas in New York City for Eric Adams.

0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and that's a recent case. There's been times

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you can name two in history since we've been There's

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.440
<v Speaker 1>been more. There's been more because.

0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I think about when I think about the Congressional Black Caucus, right,

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 3>there are a number of Congressional Black Caucus members who

0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.240
<v Speaker 3>their district is not black only.

0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:29.720
<v Speaker 1>It might be a lot of black, but it's not

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:30.280
<v Speaker 1>only black.

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 3>Just think about Hawking Jeffreys, Like, there's a lot of

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.120
<v Speaker 3>black people in Brooklyn that voted for him, but there's

0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 3>a lot of white people there as well, and specifically

0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:42.280
<v Speaker 3>the Jewish population is it's significant, hence the reason why

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 3>he has such an allegiance to his Zionist friends.

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm saying that across the country, we can

0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 3>find examples of black elected officials that their districts are

0:58:56.280 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 3>not most mainly black, which is which can be problematic

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 3>sometimes because depending upon the other group of people, which

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 3>is generally white folks that has helped to elect them,

0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:13.920
<v Speaker 3>then their politics start, you know, wobbling, and they're not

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent solid on our issues.

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.120
<v Speaker 1>So I agree, But I'm just saying that's that's the thing.

0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:21.760
<v Speaker 2>You can put that on one hand to me because

0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:24.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling about like, I'm not saying it because

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.760
<v Speaker 2>there's no absolutes. There are one or two occasions where

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>that that happens, right, But I'm just talking about of

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the of the five hundred elections that we've had for city,

0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:37.600
<v Speaker 2>five hundred thousands, you can name five or six.

0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So this one no, because in New we gotta go this.

0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 3>We can, we can, we should, actually, we should actually

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 3>come back with hard numbers information. And the reason why

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.120
<v Speaker 3>I think that we should be able to do that

0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 3>is because New York City, just in New York City alone,

0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:59.400
<v Speaker 3>and it's in a number of other cities across the country,

0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:04.640
<v Speaker 3>the line up of elected officials, like basically the leadership

1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:07.440
<v Speaker 3>in New York is black folks, right, They are black

1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:10.200
<v Speaker 3>people who are and with gentrifications.

1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:11.959
<v Speaker 2>If you look, if you look at where the black

1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:13.960
<v Speaker 2>people are. They are in the black areas, they're not.

1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.480
<v Speaker 1>But with that, but that's what I'm saying.

1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:19.560
<v Speaker 3>In New York, that's not really the case because Natasha

1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Williams needed enough of a lot of white people as

1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:23.760
<v Speaker 3>well as Black people to get her.

1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:26.800
<v Speaker 2>She has heavy But I'm trying to tell she has

1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a heavy black that that is one of the strongest

1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:30.640
<v Speaker 2>black communities in where.

1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:32.120
<v Speaker 1>She is at is I get it.

1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:35.560
<v Speaker 3>But but what I often find what I often find,

1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:38.400
<v Speaker 3>and I you know, again, there are other people who

1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:42.560
<v Speaker 3>are they they're posters, so they know this information and detail.

1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:45.240
<v Speaker 3>What I often find is that yes, there will be

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.480
<v Speaker 3>some black people, a lot of black people that will

1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:50.600
<v Speaker 3>help to get somebody over the finish line. But then

1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.560
<v Speaker 3>there are other interest groups and a lot of times

1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:57.680
<v Speaker 3>other people white folks and Asian and Indian and whoever else,

1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:00.400
<v Speaker 3>they don't vote at all right in those elections, and

1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.680
<v Speaker 3>so the margins are very small. So I but I

1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:06.160
<v Speaker 3>am saying that I know that there are many places

1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:11.320
<v Speaker 3>across the country with black people, especially mayors definitely need

1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:15.080
<v Speaker 3>more than black people in most big cities in order

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:15.439
<v Speaker 3>to win.

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:17.240
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, we should definitely.

1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I love that look at all of those big cities,

1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:22.240
<v Speaker 2>they have a big black population. So what happens is

1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:26.040
<v Speaker 2>they make their population come out because and if you

1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.400
<v Speaker 2>look at the votes that they have is mainly black people.

1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:33.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not that there's no black official. They got more

1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.240
<v Speaker 2>white votes than they got black votes. That ain't happen.

1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:41.680
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't say none. Again, I don't like to speak

1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:43.720
<v Speaker 3>in I don't like to speak.

1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:45.720
<v Speaker 2>About will in the bed. It probably didn't happen.

1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't like to speak in absolutes because there

1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:53.680
<v Speaker 3>are some black politicians that act like white people and that's.

1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:57.800
<v Speaker 1>How they got accepting. But I'm just saying they.

1:01:57.840 --> 1:01:59.439
<v Speaker 2>Might have more white people.

1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Vore to feel not black people too. He has black

1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:05.360
<v Speaker 3>people too. But to say that none, I don't know.

1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:12.680
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, like I said, they're there are posters who

1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:16.200
<v Speaker 3>know the facts. Clear, it's not what we think is

1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:16.760
<v Speaker 3>not like.

1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm talking about Republicans and Democrats, I've actually been

1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:27.240
<v Speaker 2>studying the polls. You're saying, I've been studying saying like

1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:30.200
<v Speaker 2>we have five Republicans, right, But.

1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Okay, but maus, you couldn't sit here and tell me

1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:38.479
<v Speaker 3>the exact numbers of who voted because you don't write,

1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:40.600
<v Speaker 3>so we don't know. We don't know, And I think

1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:43.200
<v Speaker 3>that the purpose of our show is to educate people,

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<v Speaker 3>as we said factually, so because you you believe this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm not saying that I totally disagree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think that there's more to it. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the best thing to do is to

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<v Speaker 3>invite somebody who knows actual numbers and states and can

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<v Speaker 3>do like real serio research about this before coming on

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<v Speaker 3>the show, so they can talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>How do people vote?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you talked about wanting to do a show on

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<v Speaker 3>identity politics. I think that's a real good topic to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out, like what is the mindset and how do

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<v Speaker 3>people vote? And like where are some hard numbers, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it's better than what you're saying is more

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<v Speaker 3>than likely the case. But I think it's important to

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<v Speaker 3>highlight that some places are not and where are those

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<v Speaker 3>places so we can know what type of people are they,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what type of community were they in?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they in Middle America?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they in just New York and like progressive more

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<v Speaker 3>liberal cities in states looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Through that's.

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<v Speaker 2>More progressive black cities. So it's not like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>hard thing to figure out. I'm I'm not saying some

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<v Speaker 2>shit that you got to guess when you look at Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>you look in New York, you look at LA, you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the black man's and you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>population in those cities, this.

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<v Speaker 1>LA doesn't have a black man. I don't think. No,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Black man, lady, black man? They just got her.

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<v Speaker 3>I was maybe okay because I know there was a

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<v Speaker 3>white man there we just talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are so many different municipalities in LA.

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<v Speaker 2>So listen, we didn't get to my I don't get

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<v Speaker 2>it this week. We'll get to it next week, you

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<v Speaker 2>know me and to me a god into a debate,

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<v Speaker 2>which is good and healthy because you know, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>trying to sharpen still sharp and still So we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to my I don't get it next week. But I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you enjoyed this episode. Very informative. I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to do research. You know. These elections are very very important,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and when you make your decision, make your

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<v Speaker 2>decision based on the things that you value. Don't let

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else tell you what you should value, what you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't value. As somebody who's making their own decisions and

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<v Speaker 2>their own votes. So go out, make sure that you vote,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that you're engaged, make sure that you're not

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<v Speaker 2>getting fake news and listening into fake clips and listening

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<v Speaker 2>to sound bites. Make sure that you're getting real information.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that said, I'm not gonna always be right

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<v Speaker 2>to me, it's not gonna always be wrong, but we

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<v Speaker 2>both always and I mean always, be authentic. So that

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<v Speaker 2>check out the video version of TMO.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single Wednesday on Iwoman dot tv.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how