Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D Mallory and this.
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Speaker 1: What's up, my son, Lennon.
Speaker 2: How are you doing, Tamika.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, doing good, doing good.
Speaker 3: Another weeks been a It was a long week, pretty eventful.
Speaker 3: At the end of the week, we all at Until
Speaker 3: Freedom celebrated the union, the recommitment of Reverend Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Green and Miss Brayer Green.
Speaker 2: Green.
Speaker 3: Such a cool story that over four years ago when
Speaker 3: we moved to Kentucky to fight for Breonna Taylor, Stephen
Speaker 3: was really responsible for helping us bring people into the movement,
Speaker 3: for going out and finding, you know, the those people
Speaker 3: who were gems in the city of Louisville, but weren't necessarily,
Speaker 3: you know, folks that we would just walk up on
Speaker 3: the street, because there were people who you could just
Speaker 3: walk up to on the street and they were automatically activated.
Speaker 3: But Brea and some other young people were doing a
Speaker 3: great job of organizing and you know, holding activities and
Speaker 3: really just being out there fighting for Brionna, protesting and
Speaker 3: also educating the community and of course, in true Stephen
Speaker 3: Green fashion, he found the group, the organization that she
Speaker 3: was with, and you know, brought them to meet with us,
Speaker 3: and out of that came love. The two of them,
Speaker 3: you know, started dating shortly afterwards, and then next thing,
Speaker 3: you know, we looked up and they were married. And
Speaker 3: this was one year later where they have recommitted and
Speaker 3: held a big ceremony that all of us were able
Speaker 3: to attend. And then of course the parties. We you know,
Speaker 3: nobody they party like we party. We know how to party.
Speaker 3: So it was really a fabulous occasion. It's so good
Speaker 3: to know that, you know, out of unfortunately the death
Speaker 3: of Breonna Taylor, came a few really really good things.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I've had that conversation with U
Speaker 3: Tamika Palmer, Brianna's mother in the past that you know,
Speaker 3: one day she and I were just we have been
Speaker 3: having us wine and we were just talking and she
Speaker 3: was crying and just going through her emotions, which you know,
Speaker 3: unfortunately happens often, and she said, you know, I said
Speaker 3: to her, there have been some beautiful things to come
Speaker 3: from even this tragic loss of your daughter, and she
Speaker 3: was like, it has you know, those things. You know,
Speaker 3: that's some of the stuff that she reflects on when
Speaker 3: she gets sad. And so one of them is how
Speaker 3: Brea and Steven met and out of that came love,
Speaker 3: you know, the two of them fell in love and
Speaker 3: now they're married. And so their celebration, their good party afterwards.
Speaker 3: This weekend, this past weekend was really special.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful event. Shout out to Brea and Stephen.
Speaker 2: You know, I just love their energy because they have
Speaker 2: this youthfulness and they have this this professionalist that they balance.
Speaker 2: You know. You know that Stephen is an awesome preacher
Speaker 2: and and Breya is very intelligent and she does a
Speaker 2: lot of work with a lot of women's groups that
Speaker 2: she's I see her organize a lot of events. Is
Speaker 2: that well, But when it's time to party, they party,
Speaker 2: you know. So I just love the dynamic that they
Speaker 2: have and you know, I'm wishing them the best. Like
Speaker 2: you said, the parties were amazing. You know that the
Speaker 2: parties were dope, and like you said, them coming out
Speaker 2: of Brianna Taylor, Like every time I look at them
Speaker 2: like wow this. You know, I remember Stephen coming to
Speaker 2: our and be with Brea and then we were all
Speaker 2: just sitting at a table organizing and the next thing,
Speaker 2: you know, now this is his wife, you know, so
Speaker 2: Breonna Taylor's fawned and evoked, you know a lot of
Speaker 2: energy that you know, we we we want to we
Speaker 2: want to be sad because we lost her, but we
Speaker 2: have to acknowledge, you know, the things, even government officials
Speaker 2: who've been elected, and just the way the energy in
Speaker 2: Louisville shifted. They became a lot more unified and seeing
Speaker 2: people just step into their their light to say so
Speaker 2: shout out to them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was my son's birthday this past week, so the
Speaker 2: festivities rolled on with him. Yesterday we played laser tag,
Speaker 2: which was I've never done before. But they beat they
Speaker 2: beat us like crazy. Him and his friends and his brother.
Speaker 2: They they dig good at these games. You know, they
Speaker 2: sit on the games all day. So I'm running around
Speaker 2: and they just keep killing me, and I'm like, why
Speaker 2: can't I shoot nobody? You know, getting thirteen and fourteen
Speaker 2: kills and I'm getting one. So I'll never lift that down.
Speaker 2: So happy birthday, thirteenth birthday.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, awesome, happy birthday.
Speaker 3: And then I guess the big one for me is
Speaker 3: that I took my granddaughter to.
Speaker 1: Her first day in school.
Speaker 3: They you know, I call it daycare, but clearly this
Speaker 3: is not daycare anymore.
Speaker 1: This is actual school.
Speaker 3: They have books, they've got to set up, but they
Speaker 3: have they have to learn for certain points of the day.
Speaker 3: When I was little, daycare was literally you go to
Speaker 3: the babysitter. Maybe it was in a center, but for
Speaker 3: the most part, it was that somebody's out. This stuff
Speaker 3: is the technology homegirl just walked right up in there
Speaker 3: like it's not a big deal, like what's up?
Speaker 1: Where's everything at?
Speaker 3: And they have cameras where they can roll back the
Speaker 3: camera of any time of day. The cameras are in
Speaker 3: every location. When I walked up, her parents were already
Speaker 3: there with her. I walked up and they have a
Speaker 3: cold that you have to put in at the door.
Speaker 3: I mean, we literally did not have any of that
Speaker 3: stuff in the daycare back in the days, right like,
Speaker 3: we just didn't have it.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't There wasn't no cameras and their kids
Speaker 2: up to.
Speaker 1: No cameras, definitely none.
Speaker 3: Having you know, maybe they kept the door locked, but
Speaker 3: you have a code that you punch in that is
Speaker 3: it is customized for each person, so they know the
Speaker 3: time of entry in and out for everybody that's associated
Speaker 3: with a particular code. You've got one section that has
Speaker 3: all the babies and the I don't know if they
Speaker 3: call it an infirmary, that's not an infirmary. I don't know,
Speaker 3: a nursery, yep, nursery for little teeny babies. They got
Speaker 3: this class that this is very high level professional and
Speaker 3: I think the thing that's funny is that the kids
Speaker 3: were prepared, like to go and meet and talk all
Speaker 3: day and get the instructions as soon as I got
Speaker 3: there about three minutes after them, and the director was like, ah,
Speaker 3: we got it, and don't leave a pacify it because
Speaker 3: that's oldbas of today.
Speaker 1: Whoa so. But she seemed like she's gonna do fine.
Speaker 3: The only thing about Blair is that when you tell
Speaker 3: her to do something, I don't know exactly how that's
Speaker 3: gonna work out. So we have, you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: the weekend and the beginning of this week is starting
Speaker 3: out really good, but there's a lot of work to
Speaker 3: be done. We're gonna be announcing more about our Project Freedom,
Speaker 3: which will be rolling out all throughout the week, where
Speaker 3: we will be presenting to the world sort of our concept.
Speaker 1: For what we believe.
Speaker 3: The counter project of Project twenty twenty five is that
Speaker 3: is in favor of us as people who are black folks,
Speaker 3: brown folks, and also marginalizing vulnerable communities. I want to
Speaker 3: talk about something later on in terms of this idea
Speaker 3: of like when you lift black people, what happens? But
Speaker 3: I do you know, I do think or I think
Speaker 3: it was important for us to take the work that
Speaker 3: we've been doing with the people we've been working with who.
Speaker 1: Are on specific issues, you know, for us.
Speaker 3: One thing that the Women's March did teach me is
Speaker 3: about intersectional.
Speaker 1: Movement building, right. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I was not familiar with that term in a movement space,
Speaker 3: although of course we know what intersection means in the
Speaker 3: concept of intersection. But learning about intersectionality and movement spaces
Speaker 3: came during the time of the Women's March, and it
Speaker 3: was really a lifesaver for me because I learned and
Speaker 3: began to understand that even though one issue is my
Speaker 3: issue and I'm super committed to it, it does not
Speaker 3: mean that I can't make space for other people's issues,
Speaker 3: And I think that helped me to expand the people
Speaker 3: who are around me and the types of folks that
Speaker 3: I work with and talk to every day. The beauty
Speaker 3: of I said our Project Freedom a few moments ago,
Speaker 3: but that's actually the website, our projectfreedom dot com. The
Speaker 3: name of it, the platform is Project Freedom, Project Freedom,
Speaker 3: and I think the beauty of Project Freedom is just that.
Speaker 1: So many different groups.
Speaker 3: We've got gun violence awareness and prevention folks who deal
Speaker 3: with policy there. We've got people who actually do mobilizing
Speaker 3: on the ground for a lot of issues, but specifically
Speaker 3: getting people to the polls and dealing with voter suppression.
Speaker 3: We've got folks that deal with anti war advocacy. We've
Speaker 3: got people who of course support Palestinian rights and looking
Speaker 3: at how to get a cease fire in gun immediately.
Speaker 3: We've got policy folks that deal with education, had we have.
Speaker 1: Folks that are in politics in general. So this is
Speaker 1: a broad, broad, broad base of folks.
Speaker 3: And now when we open this up, we're going to
Speaker 3: be bringing in the voices of so many other individuals
Speaker 3: who have their own expertise. And so if you have
Speaker 3: the time, go to our Project Freedom dot com. That's
Speaker 3: our projectfreedom dot com to learn more about how we
Speaker 3: see America, not through the lens of Project twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: where we understand the dangers, but through the lens of
Speaker 3: the people looking at legislation that's already lingering. It's already
Speaker 3: out there. We've already committed that these policies need to
Speaker 3: be passed, and we've sort of compiled them and brought
Speaker 3: them back together, freshened them up, and said, this is
Speaker 3: how we can strengthen them, and this is how we
Speaker 3: can pass them to alleviate some of the suffering, but
Speaker 3: also to help add and and generate more success and
Speaker 3: power among our community. So Ourproject Freedom dot com.
Speaker 2: We definitely need that man, because there's so much misinformation,
Speaker 2: Like there's a misinformation campaign that you know it's online
Speaker 2: that I constantly go to my page and I just
Speaker 2: laugh now because I realize that I've seen Applies write
Speaker 2: something on his page the other day that you know,
Speaker 2: we ain't fool that all these ain't black people that
Speaker 2: y'all got on here. These are some box that you'll
Speaker 2: do to send here, and we know it, and I'm
Speaker 2: just so I laugh at it now because it'd be
Speaker 2: a I put a post up that they don't like
Speaker 2: they send one hundred people at a time to try
Speaker 2: to overload it with just lies and just stupidity. So
Speaker 2: I'm really, I'm really being intentional about stopping the misinformation,
Speaker 2: about educating and getting real information and getting the facts,
Speaker 2: you know, and being able to fact check things. I
Speaker 2: went to a meeting, you know, pretty much kind of
Speaker 2: like a private meeting but not so private. But it
Speaker 2: was just a black man, couple of Hispanics just in
Speaker 2: the room about misinformation and about how do we stop
Speaker 2: the misinformation in our community, how what is the truth?
Speaker 2: And you know, and there was a lot of different views,
Speaker 2: you know, definitely talking about this election and what it
Speaker 2: means and what they what they think happened, and what
Speaker 2: they think a person did or what they know a
Speaker 2: person did, and why person should be with this person
Speaker 2: or why a person isn't with that person. So it was,
Speaker 2: it was, it was very helpful. It was a strong
Speaker 2: dialogue with a lot of strong individuals. I know, shout
Speaker 2: out to my brother James McMillan who invited me to
Speaker 2: the meeting, but it was a lot of very well
Speaker 2: known people in the community, you know, within the industry
Speaker 2: of music industry, within just different industries. So you know,
Speaker 2: I think that those are the conversations in the rooms
Speaker 2: that we need to be having at this time because
Speaker 2: the things that I read online, you know, the sound bite,
Speaker 2: the clickbait, the just anything so you can get your
Speaker 2: narrative pushed, it's just terrible, you know. And knowing that
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't do the research, don't do
Speaker 2: the work that it takes to actually get real information,
Speaker 2: you realize that people are being misinformed every day and
Speaker 2: they grabbing onto it. So I have conversations with people
Speaker 2: and they come to me and ask me, so, what
Speaker 2: about such and such and such and such did this,
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, that's not actual facts, and then
Speaker 2: I showed them there, well, but such such said this,
Speaker 2: And then I showed them and they be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I ain't even know. And it's like, damn, there's too
Speaker 2: many of us that just don't know, you know. So
Speaker 2: I really want to be disintentional about making sure that
Speaker 2: real knowledge and real information and the true you know,
Speaker 2: information that you can actual fact check and see is
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The thing about what you're saying is so important, that
Speaker 3: is so important is it also helps us to brush
Speaker 3: up on our skills making sure that we're constantly reading
Speaker 3: and finding new information. Because as I have been listening
Speaker 3: to Resi Colbert, who is an expert on a lot
Speaker 3: of political things, but she specifically has followed Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: for a while and compiled lots of facts, and she
Speaker 3: is all she's all around the Internet and around the
Speaker 3: country dispelling myths about Kamala Harris, Vice President Harris. You know,
Speaker 3: as I've been listening to her, and then I've been
Speaker 3: reading the things that you know, she's directing me to,
Speaker 3: I find other things because you know, once you become
Speaker 3: a reader, once you become someone that is interested in
Speaker 3: knowledge and information, you automatically will continue to go forward
Speaker 3: in what you're learning so that you can pick up
Speaker 3: the next point, right, so that you can pick up
Speaker 3: the nuance and the context for which something is buried.
Speaker 3: So I was looking at a clip the other day,
Speaker 3: and I know this individual. She's attacked me several times
Speaker 3: on the internet, so you know, I know her. This
Speaker 3: clip had pieces of words that Kamala Harris has said.
Speaker 2: Right, words selling that they they cut different pieces, they
Speaker 2: splice it and they put another thing and it just
Speaker 2: narrative and they.
Speaker 3: Run with that, right, and the sad part about it
Speaker 3: is that this is a person who prides herself on
Speaker 3: being realer than everybody else. She's the realist, Like you know,
Speaker 3: nobody is more real than her. Everybody else is fake.
Speaker 3: Not everybody, but there's a number of us that she
Speaker 3: claims we're fake, and yet you're you're you're actually promoting
Speaker 3: things that's not true and using little clips in order
Speaker 3: to make a point about your position on someone. When
Speaker 3: I feel like, if you do your actual research right,
Speaker 3: you can find things about anyone, even a good person,
Speaker 3: even the person that you love, even your grandmama and
Speaker 3: your mama. If you do real research, you can actually
Speaker 3: bring forth factual information that helps to prove your point
Speaker 3: about why you don't trust or believe in a particular individual.
Speaker 3: You don't have to make up lies in order to
Speaker 3: make your point. And that was one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why the whole Project twenty twenty five was sitting on me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't so much how the dangers of it, because
Speaker 3: we know that we understand. But what was really what
Speaker 3: I was really sitting with was the idea that people
Speaker 3: were trying to make it worse when it was already bad.
Speaker 3: It didn't need, you know, Project twenty twenty five does
Speaker 3: not need hyperbole. It does not need people to come
Speaker 3: up with what is what they think is possible, or
Speaker 3: what they think it means. Plus some it is very clear,
Speaker 3: and it's very clear the mindset of the individuals who
Speaker 3: developed it. And so I just think that to your point,
Speaker 3: it forces us to as leaders be much more intentional
Speaker 3: about the information that we're taking in. And it also
Speaker 3: forces me to stop posting things and not have done that.
Speaker 3: Definitely have done that, to stop posting things without really
Speaker 3: knowing the full context of it as well.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying if I.
Speaker 3: See a video of a man being killed or beaten
Speaker 3: by the police or something like that, or a woman
Speaker 3: or whomever, that I will not share that information and
Speaker 3: call for us to learn more, to know more, and
Speaker 3: more than likely I've already talked to somebody or I
Speaker 3: kind of know the backstory, but the clips of people's words,
Speaker 3: it has happened to me, you know, And so I'm
Speaker 3: just really really careful about that. But I think you're
Speaker 3: right that the misinformation piece is important. It's happening, and
Speaker 3: I think our Project Freedom, I'm not sure that it's
Speaker 3: so much deals with misinformation, which it does because it
Speaker 3: really kind of dispels the myth that there are no plans.
Speaker 1: That nobody has any And also.
Speaker 3: Another thing that it dispels is this idea that Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris does not support legislation that is driven towards helping
Speaker 3: majority black folks, right like the gun violence intervention and
Speaker 3: prevention work they you know, it started out with people
Speaker 3: trying to lobby for mass shootings, which are generally not
Speaker 3: They don't classify the shootings that happen in our community
Speaker 3: as mass shootings. However, now right because of the work
Speaker 3: that passed, the McBride and Erica Ford and a number
Speaker 3: of other individuals have done that, it is being.
Speaker 1: Classified that way.
Speaker 3: And there's a complete set aside in the gun violence
Speaker 3: prevention resources coming out of the federal government that is
Speaker 3: for our communities, specifically targeting our communities where violence and
Speaker 3: violent shootings happen the most. And so a lot of
Speaker 3: the legislation that is in this our in the Project
Speaker 3: Freedom Platform, it's things that the Vice President has already
Speaker 3: signed on to some of it. She's a co sponsor
Speaker 3: of other bills. She's been very supportive of reparations. People
Speaker 3: say she doesn't support reparations. That's a lie, you know.
Speaker 3: So now why it's necessary for us to bring this
Speaker 3: what they say, bump it up in your inbox, is
Speaker 3: because we need to make sure there's still a commitment
Speaker 3: and we want to we want to push her on
Speaker 3: her being able to say that I'm still committed to
Speaker 3: these things that I had not sort of changed or
Speaker 3: walked away from it because it's not politically expedient, and
Speaker 3: that I'm committed to making much of what is in
Speaker 3: these particular bills happen. At least I'm going to be
Speaker 3: a big advocate for it. So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: work to be done. I want folks to check out
Speaker 3: our project freedom dot com and you can come to
Speaker 3: TMI Underscore show and send us a note and let
Speaker 3: us know where you see some things that need to
Speaker 3: be strengthened. There may be something in your local community
Speaker 3: that we don't even know about that we should be
Speaker 3: and we should be informed so that we can look
Speaker 3: at the best ways to make it a part of
Speaker 3: the four pillars of the policy platform. So my thought
Speaker 3: of the day, speaking of misinformation, I don't know if
Speaker 3: this goes in the same bucket. But I will tell
Speaker 3: you that I'm really like, Wow, the scammer thing is
Speaker 3: like really crazy, right, you know, on the surface, when
Speaker 3: people say that somebody is a scammer or someone or
Speaker 3: people have been scamming, I'm not sure that it connects
Speaker 3: with us, right. Like sometimes I feel like when people
Speaker 3: say or talk about scammers, you kind of think about
Speaker 3: just like some free money that's just sitting there that
Speaker 3: folks are taking, or bags handbags or something, you know
Speaker 3: like that. But there are real people behind these situations
Speaker 3: and that are victims of this behavior.
Speaker 1: And I was looking.
Speaker 3: At a news article the other day where a man
Speaker 3: says that hundreds of thousands of dollars were stolen and
Speaker 3: he's a lawyer, and it was stolen from him because
Speaker 3: he believed that he was a part of some operation
Speaker 3: to catch scammers. So somebody scammed him into believing that
Speaker 3: he was helping to catch other people, and as a lawyer,
Speaker 3: still he did not know or wasn't paying attention, and
Speaker 3: therefore his money was basically taken. Then you know, there
Speaker 3: was another incident where a woman is saying that this
Speaker 3: man that she was married to, he basically married her
Speaker 3: and was draining her bank account, took all of her
Speaker 3: life savings and emptied her out and then you know,
Speaker 3: that's it. He's off on to the next thing. And
Speaker 3: I was it came to me as my thought of
Speaker 3: the day that we have to really look out for
Speaker 3: the elders and the people in our lives that we
Speaker 3: know are not as informed, and they don't have to
Speaker 3: end because I don't see. I do know when you
Speaker 3: go on cash app or whatever it tells you scamming,
Speaker 3: is that as all time high.
Speaker 1: Don't do this, that and the third.
Speaker 3: But like my parents, they don't cash app, They don't
Speaker 3: do any of that because they know that they are
Speaker 3: unaware of, you know, certain things.
Speaker 1: They know that.
Speaker 3: However, my mom got a phone call from somebody one
Speaker 3: day who was telling her like, you know, we're trying
Speaker 3: to check your your Social Security number because there's been fraud,
Speaker 3: and she's like given the person the information and it
Speaker 3: doesn't dawn on her for a while that wait a minute,
Speaker 3: I should not be having this conversation. So that just
Speaker 3: tells me that, you know, we're we're at a place
Speaker 3: where we have to do a lot of educating for ourselves.
Speaker 3: And if your family members, your parents or other people.
Speaker 3: They don't go to like a community center or somewhere
Speaker 3: every day that you know, they have these conversations. They
Speaker 3: may miss it. They may not even watch the news.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people that do not watch
Speaker 3: the news. They hate it. It's just too much for them.
Speaker 3: And so what do you do to get that information
Speaker 3: out there? And I think that as a part of
Speaker 3: the work that we do, we also need to be
Speaker 3: informing our communities about how they can lose their life saveds,
Speaker 3: they can lose their homes.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You still have people like Queen of Foua fighting for
Speaker 3: her home in Brooklyn as these people try to take
Speaker 3: her home from her. I mean, there's so many ways
Speaker 3: that people are being scammed and being you know, being
Speaker 3: being used and be and having things taken from them
Speaker 3: that belong to them. And I just I think it's
Speaker 3: just an important conversation for us to be having.
Speaker 2: I think it's a very important conversation. You know a
Speaker 2: lot of if you if you watch this movie called
Speaker 2: I Think It's to Be Something to Be and Felicia
Speaker 2: Rashad stars and she's an older lady and somebody scams her,
Speaker 2: you know, they call her and they get she she's
Speaker 2: holding like two million dollars for school. You know, she's
Speaker 2: an old retired teacher and she's holding this money, and
Speaker 2: they scam her and take all the money on her
Speaker 2: account with some telling her gift, just give us this
Speaker 2: past call, We're gonna fix your bank account, and this
Speaker 2: and that and and they scam And I see those
Speaker 2: things happening, like I've almost felt for it. Like they've
Speaker 2: called me and be like, hey, something's going wrong with
Speaker 2: your your your Chase account. Who when somebody scamming it?
Speaker 2: Is this your thing? And and you be like what?
Speaker 2: Then you call? And then I had to in the
Speaker 2: middle of it, I'm like, what the fuck am I
Speaker 2: even doing? You know what I'm saying? So and I'm
Speaker 2: a I'm more technologically savvy than you know, most of
Speaker 2: our elders, and it almost got me with it. So
Speaker 2: we have to really be intentional about that. I think
Speaker 2: as some of us that are a little younger, we
Speaker 2: need to be talking to our elder body to make
Speaker 2: sure that we listen. Nobody call you about no numbers.
Speaker 2: Don't give nobody no numbers.
Speaker 1: Numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's something that we need to
Speaker 2: do because and it looks good.
Speaker 3: Like all of the stuff that they send you like,
Speaker 3: it really looks good. Sometimes I'll get stuff Amazon such
Speaker 3: and such dot com, but if you don't open it,
Speaker 3: you don't know, and it'll be like click here or
Speaker 3: do this or whatever. Your package UPS and you when
Speaker 3: you look at the addresses, the ending of it, you
Speaker 3: know that it's not official. So like these they really
Speaker 3: and and you know what's interesting is every time I
Speaker 3: send something via UPS, I started getting the scamming not
Speaker 3: ups USPS United States Post Service. Whenever I send something
Speaker 3: from them, I start getting notifications that my package is
Speaker 3: delayed because of X, Y and z. And when I
Speaker 3: look at it, I know that it's a fake account.
Speaker 3: But how they know that I've sent something? Like, for instance,
Speaker 3: I didn't send anything last week, I didn't get anything
Speaker 3: last week, But if I do this week, in a
Speaker 3: couple of days, I start getting stuff. So that means
Speaker 3: that somehow they the system knows that you have sent something.
Speaker 3: I get them for FedEx sometimes, and then they start
Speaker 3: reaching out to you with these codes. And when people say, well,
Speaker 3: you know it's a fake fake bots, I always tell
Speaker 3: people that bots are controlled by humans. There's no such
Speaker 3: thing as a box system that just operates on its own.
Speaker 3: Maybe it goes out and does the work on its
Speaker 3: own and multiplies and they could do, you know, millions,
Speaker 3: more than one person. But somebody has to figure out
Speaker 3: the coding for it, figure out what they're trying to do,
Speaker 3: figure out the scam to, you know, get the information.
Speaker 3: You sent something on USPS, you sent something FedEx. They
Speaker 3: have to be able to figure that out first so
Speaker 3: that they can tell the system what it's looking for
Speaker 3: and what they're trying to do. So no matter what,
Speaker 3: there's still somebody at the helm of, you know, at
Speaker 3: the set off end of making this stuff happen. And
Speaker 3: it's actually pretty scary. I'll never forget. I think I
Speaker 3: told the story on here before that a pastor and
Speaker 3: his wife was telling me one time that the pastor
Speaker 3: is sitting in the house.
Speaker 1: It's a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 3: He's trying to rest, and his wife is flying back
Speaker 3: and forth in the house, going back, got his shoes on.
Speaker 3: Somebody ringing the doorbell and she's flying back and forth
Speaker 3: in the house. He's thinking it's possibly a delivery or
Speaker 3: something like that, so he's not really paying attention. Plus,
Speaker 3: you know, men y'all be like these women. Who knows
Speaker 3: what she's doing? So you know whatever. So after a while,
Speaker 3: she was hustling so hard back and forth that he's
Speaker 3: stopped and she is passing him. So he's sitting there
Speaker 3: and she's not telling him what she's doing, not because
Speaker 3: she's keeping it a secret, but because the situation at
Speaker 3: the door is so serious that she's got to make
Speaker 3: it happen and then tell him about it later.
Speaker 1: So eventually he says, so what are you doing? Like
Speaker 1: who is that and what's going on?
Speaker 3: And she's like, our grandson is locked up, and I
Speaker 3: have to give this man five thousand dollars right now
Speaker 3: so that he could go and get him.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go with him.
Speaker 3: We gotta go get the money. We need to have
Speaker 3: cash to go to the ball bondsman.
Speaker 1: He's a bail.
Speaker 3: Person and he and he's like, what the hell are
Speaker 3: you talking about?
Speaker 1: What man?
Speaker 3: And she's collecting money around house and about to go
Speaker 3: to the ATM to get the rest of the cash
Speaker 3: to go to the ball bondsman. And she know, which
Speaker 3: is true, that you need cash when you go to
Speaker 3: most of these bail people. So she knew that, so
Speaker 3: that wasn't like a line, right, Like that founded right,
Speaker 3: because you do gotta have cash when you go to bailbondsmen.
Speaker 3: So the bailbondsmen is showing up telling her your grandson
Speaker 3: has been arrested and he couldn't reach you, so he
Speaker 3: sent me over here to get the money to go
Speaker 3: bail him out. And she was actually getting their money
Speaker 3: and their household together to give to this man without
Speaker 3: her husband. And these are people. They are pastor and
Speaker 3: first lady of a church. These people are smart. You know,
Speaker 3: she's a study woman, but her emotions took over her mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you, these scammers they know how to
Speaker 2: pull at the heartstrings. Man. You told us some of
Speaker 2: my kids and the grandkids. Yeah. Immediately they trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out what's going on, how we're going to
Speaker 2: do it, you know, And it has to be someone
Speaker 2: who's a little more leveled. They step back and be
Speaker 2: like whoa, whoa. You know, it's just like three card Moley.
Speaker 2: You remember what you told me, the story how you
Speaker 2: went there and they got you for your money. It
Speaker 2: got to be somebody that because every time they walk
Speaker 2: up to me, I see people getting them and then
Speaker 2: they be like, yo, you want to get it. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm from New York. Like I've been in all of them.
Speaker 2: I've been in the Brons, they say, because they know
Speaker 2: you can't run that game with me. I've been here.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I was just gone gone
Speaker 2: in seconds, and they run. They act like they lost
Speaker 2: two hundred, and they be like, yo, you can win
Speaker 2: the next two hundred. Come on, all you gotta do
Speaker 2: is put twenty dollars right here. Just put it here
Speaker 2: here here, Oh you won. They act like you won
Speaker 2: before you pick it here?
Speaker 1: You won?
Speaker 2: You like, no, no, no, here, win win bet bet the.
Speaker 1: Long, long time, long time. I didn't even know they
Speaker 1: still played that game anyway.
Speaker 2: So I just have this, you know, a question for
Speaker 2: you as an aka. You know you hear this whole
Speaker 2: Kamala's not black. Kamala's not black. She ain't black, She
Speaker 2: ain't this, this and that, and then you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people are it don't matge that she went
Speaker 2: to APCU and it don't matter that she's an ak
Speaker 2: as an ak of your knowledge, Are there non black
Speaker 2: women who are aks?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: So when you look at our charter or the documents
Speaker 3: that you see online about you know, about the sorority.
Speaker 3: It says that they do not discriminate. So what it says,
Speaker 3: and I would say they don't discriminate. But I have
Speaker 3: never in my life, not one time, have I ever
Speaker 3: met a white woman or any other type of woman,
Speaker 3: or at least someone that does not have black in
Speaker 3: them and identify with being black as a member of
Speaker 3: the Alpha Kappa Alpha or any of the Divine Nine.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they're not there. I'm sure that
Speaker 3: there's probably you know, a white person or two you know,
Speaker 3: or or some other uh a person who has identifies
Speaker 3: with a different race.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's one or two that exists in
Speaker 1: different places.
Speaker 3: But I can tell you that Kamala Harris is not
Speaker 3: one of them. First of all, it's not a comfortable
Speaker 3: space for people who are not black. If you ask me,
Speaker 3: I know I wouldn't want to be because everything about
Speaker 3: how we operate, everything about how we started, you know,
Speaker 3: with black women at Howard University starting this sorority, and
Speaker 3: in other spaces of the Divine Nine, still black folks
Speaker 3: starting these these institutions. You know, I've not ever ever
Speaker 3: experienced anything blacker. I've you know, it is a place
Speaker 3: where I bring my entire self, where the culture, uh,
Speaker 3: the identity, the the the the research that we do,
Speaker 3: the conversations we have, all of It is very very
Speaker 3: clear to me that you if you are in the
Speaker 3: sorority and you pledged and you went through the process,
Speaker 3: it is ninety nine percent likely that you identify as
Speaker 3: being black and also to go to an HBCU. And
Speaker 3: it's not like Kamala Harris is a honorary member, because
Speaker 3: see that's very different, right. I mean when you think
Speaker 3: about Alicia Keys here she is she is a woman
Speaker 3: whose mother is white, but she identifies as black. She
Speaker 3: is a black father, white mother, she identifies as black. Right,
Speaker 3: she is an honorary member of the Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority. Right,
Speaker 3: And therefore someone could say, which she's you know very
Speaker 3: much so into it. And we were just talking the
Speaker 3: other day and she's like, you know, I'm getting even
Speaker 3: more excited about being a part of this sisterhood.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: And so this is prior to Kamala Harris being announced
Speaker 3: as the nominee.
Speaker 1: So she was already on the phone.
Speaker 3: We were just kicking it about like what did you
Speaker 3: do to speak, and I was like, oh, I was
Speaker 3: around some sororities. She's like, you know what, I've been
Speaker 3: talking to some of my sisters, some of the people
Speaker 3: on her line, and she's like, you know, I'm even
Speaker 3: more excited, like we're talking about doing some really good
Speaker 3: things together. But again, she's honorary. Jada Pinkett Smith is
Speaker 3: an honorary member, so you can look at people like
Speaker 3: them and say, well, they're honorary and so maybe you
Speaker 3: know they don't identify ads much with the culture.
Speaker 1: They have to kind of learn it.
Speaker 3: No, she pledged, right, So Kamala Harris pledged she was
Speaker 3: on a line, and I think for a lot of
Speaker 3: people who don't understand, I promise you that there is
Speaker 3: almost no member of the Divine Nine, even if they
Speaker 3: do not like Kamala Harris, they don't support her, they
Speaker 3: have issues with her.
Speaker 1: I promise you you will not find one.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, you'll find some French person because of
Speaker 3: course we never like to speak in absolutes, but it
Speaker 3: will be very hard to find someone who will say
Speaker 3: that after she pledged to get into Alpha Kappa Alpha,
Speaker 3: that she is she doesn't consider herself to be black
Speaker 3: that's impossible. But you know what the big thing is
Speaker 3: and the reason and my answer to why I know
Speaker 3: that she considers herself black and has always done so,
Speaker 3: is because I've met her a lot of people who
Speaker 3: are talking, people who have so much to say about
Speaker 3: what she believes in and how she is and who
Speaker 3: she is. They have no idea about anything. They don't
Speaker 3: know her, they've never seen her. They don't they have
Speaker 3: no idea. In fact, they have. There are tapes, there's recordings,
Speaker 3: because I have received the number of them from people
Speaker 3: who are like, why do they keep saying that she
Speaker 3: doesn't identify as being black? When she said this, and
Speaker 3: she said that, and she went to HBTU and she's
Speaker 3: an Alpha Kappa ALTFHA and she's done all these things
Speaker 3: and it's funny, it's like you gotta do all that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, of course she identifies with her Indian heritage,
Speaker 3: of course she does.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't understand why people see
Speaker 2: that as something wrong. Like you, if you are a
Speaker 2: multi racial individual, if you have Indian heritage and you
Speaker 2: have Jamaican heritage, why would you just ignore the heritage
Speaker 2: that is your part of your culture? Like why would
Speaker 2: you not say that? And if in spaces and when
Speaker 2: they talk about, you know, being an Indian and you're
Speaker 2: the first Indian in that space, why would you not
Speaker 2: gravitate to that and say, yes, I'm the first person
Speaker 2: of Indian descent to reach that space.
Speaker 3: And that's a question, like, I don't know because I
Speaker 3: haven't heard it, but I would love to hear where
Speaker 3: she said she's Indian.
Speaker 2: Well, she said that I'm of Indian in descent. She was,
Speaker 2: she was she was taking into an Indian group and
Speaker 2: she said, I'm proud to be one of the first
Speaker 2: people of Indian descent to reach this this plateau. And
Speaker 2: I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think
Speaker 2: that means that you're denying that you're black, that you
Speaker 2: don't want to be black, that you don't gravitate to
Speaker 2: being black. She was talking to the girl, the Indian girl,
Speaker 2: Mindy and on her show, The Cooking Show, and Indy
Speaker 2: Mindy is an Indian girl, and she was talking about how, yes,
Speaker 2: you look like a lot of people and my mother's
Speaker 2: my mother's sisters and all these things. Yeah, and she's
Speaker 2: talking about the recipes and mother ughsed and she was
Speaker 2: talking about things that happened a part of her Indian
Speaker 2: culture and she identified with And I don't think it's
Speaker 2: anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1: You know, when you.
Speaker 2: Are multicultural, multi racial individuals, is nothing wrong with embracing
Speaker 2: both parts of yourself. But when you live yourself, when
Speaker 2: you live your life like a black woman every day,
Speaker 2: you know, people can't take that away from you. And
Speaker 2: people want you to to be what they want you
Speaker 2: to be. And I think it's so unfortunate that that
Speaker 2: people like her constantly have to prove her blackness. You know,
Speaker 2: I went back to the interview that she did on
Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club five years ago, you know, when she
Speaker 2: was doing the you know, when she was on the
Speaker 2: presidential campaign, and she was just talking about that and
Speaker 2: Charlemagne was asking her. She's like, I don't care what
Speaker 2: people think, Like you think, I've heard it all before,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. At this point, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to prove my blackness to somebody. I've been black,
Speaker 2: i am black, and I'm a die black, and that's
Speaker 2: just what it is. And whether somebody likes it or not,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, you know. So it's it's just I
Speaker 2: was asking that question because I keep hearing, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: you can be this and that, and I just I've
Speaker 2: never seen any members.
Speaker 1: They might be there. Like I said, I'm just trying to.
Speaker 2: Say I have never I have never heard of the divide.
Speaker 3: I'm saying the culture, the culture again is very strong.
Speaker 1: In fact, you know what, I did meet.
Speaker 3: A white guy not long ago who was in I
Speaker 3: think he was a Kappa. I believe I might be
Speaker 3: wrong about that. Don't come for me Kappus, but I
Speaker 3: think he was. And you know, and he was blended
Speaker 3: with the group. And I saw him doing you know,
Speaker 3: their stepping and whatever, and I was like, okay, that
Speaker 3: was for me. It was like, oh, like, it's not
Speaker 3: It wasn't a natural thought, it wasn't a natural feeling.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, okay, I'm not upset about it,
Speaker 3: but it's not the norm. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: like you said, the fact that she has to prove
Speaker 3: that she's black, you know, she's not the She is
Speaker 3: not the only person who has had to go through this,
Speaker 3: because when I think about young kids in schools, right
Speaker 3: that meanness that exists where just some miserable people who
Speaker 3: are very mean. That happens a lot right where a
Speaker 3: kid comes to school and they're too light for some people,
Speaker 3: so they're not black enough. They're too dark for other people,
Speaker 3: so they don't fit into the light skin club. And
Speaker 3: it's like a constant thing where they're feeling like they
Speaker 3: don't really belong anywhere. But I think she reaffirmed for us,
Speaker 3: for herself, more so for her felt than for us,
Speaker 3: her blackness by attending an HBTU. She could have gone
Speaker 3: anywhere that she wanted to go, right, but she attended
Speaker 3: an HBTU. And then she sought out a sorority. That
Speaker 3: is a sorority that well yet well exemplifies a good word.
Speaker 1: But I want to say something else.
Speaker 3: She sought out a sorority that exhausts black excellence.
Speaker 1: Like that is what it's all.
Speaker 3: About, is lifting us up as women and displaying to
Speaker 3: the world that we're all different size of shapes. We
Speaker 3: come from political backgrounds, economic backgrounds, you know, activist black backgrounds.
Speaker 3: We come from business, we come from education, We come
Speaker 3: from so many different places. But these are beautiful, prestigious
Speaker 3: women and particularly black women.
Speaker 1: And so and again I'm say this and I'm done.
Speaker 3: I know Kamla Harris, I just I just I you know,
Speaker 3: there are people who are like I met with her
Speaker 3: and she said this, and I said that, and you know,
Speaker 3: whatever interactions she's had with certain individuals, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I've actually been in space with this woman.
Speaker 3: I have talked to her. I've been in space with
Speaker 3: her more than one time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I have been at fundraises where you know, we raised
Speaker 3: money for her in the past. I have sat in
Speaker 3: rooms she is black, period, that's it. So if there's
Speaker 3: a culture for black people that I know that I
Speaker 3: have right the vernacular the way that I just present.
Speaker 3: And I've been in rooms where it was mixed company.
Speaker 3: It's not like I was in only rooms that were
Speaker 3: black spaces with Vice President Harris. I've been in rooms
Speaker 3: where it was you know, about issues that there were
Speaker 3: more than just black people that were interest groups in
Speaker 3: that area. And she always represented a black woman to me.
Speaker 3: And I've heard her say out of her mouth that
Speaker 3: as a black woman, I understand, And that's been in
Speaker 3: contentious conversation sometimes when she's like, listen, as a black woman,
Speaker 3: I understand what you all are saying. I'm working through
Speaker 3: XYZ or whatever her perspective. Maybe, So I just you know,
Speaker 3: I just think it's whack. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: to your point earlier, there's a lot of work. I decided,
Speaker 3: my son, I'm not fighting anybody. You can fight, that's
Speaker 3: what you like to do. You are a person who
Speaker 3: knows how to debate and fight and go at it.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. So that's it.
Speaker 3: If you with us, and you need access to the ballots,
Speaker 3: so you need to get there.
Speaker 1: You need your voting, the voting roles, not to have.
Speaker 3: Purged your name, or you need you know, whatever, you
Speaker 3: need to be able to do what you have to
Speaker 3: do because you want to see a greater future for us.
Speaker 3: And then you want to be a part of a
Speaker 3: movement that fights, whether it's Kamala Harris or whoever the
Speaker 3: hell it is. Afterwards, I'm open. I'm there to organize you.
Speaker 3: If you need information, the correct information, I'm there. But
Speaker 3: if you think that I'm fin to travel this country
Speaker 3: or go out talking to people trying to force them
Speaker 3: and convince them, not doing it. Sorry, not even my
Speaker 3: own family.
Speaker 2: I'm just like I tell you, I've taken on the
Speaker 2: project of stopping misinformation. It is a thing for me.
Speaker 2: I've watched us suffer from it. I watched people come
Speaker 2: online and say shit about us and say shit about
Speaker 2: people we knew, and there's nobody to combat those lives
Speaker 2: with facts, and nobody does it. And he just let
Speaker 2: it go, and he just let it go, and then
Speaker 2: it becomes it becomes facts to people. So every day
Speaker 2: I still hear dumb shit. So I've taken on it
Speaker 2: like I'm just not gonna let you sit in my
Speaker 2: face and say shit that I know that's not true.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, hey, that's not true. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say it's not true.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I mean, I might do that, but I'm
Speaker 3: just I wasn't even so much talking about that. I
Speaker 3: just know how when we go out and we knock
Speaker 3: on doors and we organize people, you guys sometimes will
Speaker 3: get into heated arguments with folks and be you know,
Speaker 3: really going back and forth. I'm just I don't have it.
Speaker 3: I don't have it. I'm being honest, like, I don't
Speaker 3: have it anymore. We've been in this movement for different timespans.
Speaker 3: I've been doing this for almost thirty years. I've lost
Speaker 3: a lot of friends, people that I love because our
Speaker 3: political ideology did not align and I just decided that
Speaker 3: I'm just not gonna do much of that. Even the
Speaker 3: ones that I watch promote Trump and say they be
Speaker 3: spreading misinformation themselves. I might say one or two lines,
Speaker 3: but when they write back to me trying to engage me,
Speaker 3: I don't even do it because I'm just not Like.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna make sure that I place a comment
Speaker 3: here that lets people know that if you want real information,
Speaker 3: you should go checks on.
Speaker 1: So that's it. So I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, it makes sense. I just I
Speaker 2: take a different position. You know. I'm just gonna always
Speaker 2: speak truth about because it's so much misinformation that you know.
Speaker 2: Every now and then I'm gonna post something. It's gonna
Speaker 2: rough with feathers. But I don't care what you think
Speaker 2: about what I think. I say that all the time.
Speaker 2: Your opinion of my opinion is your business. I really
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck. If you can take my opinion
Speaker 2: and show that my opinion is a lie or it
Speaker 2: lacks factual and then then this could be a conversation
Speaker 2: with the fact that you just don't agree with what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, or you have a different position. You need
Speaker 2: to put that shit on your page, because I don't
Speaker 2: care whether you agree. Like people get mad at me
Speaker 2: for saying I'm voting for black people because they black.
Speaker 2: I don't need no other reason. You might need another reason.
Speaker 2: You might feel like, oh, oh, that's not small. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's not small for you. It's smart for me because
Speaker 2: I've watched white people do things for white people just
Speaker 2: because they white. The whole time I've been in America.
Speaker 2: I watch white privilege in white you know, nepotism and
Speaker 2: all of that shit. I watched that happen throughout my life.
Speaker 2: So to make me feel bad for wanting to see
Speaker 2: black people succeed and getting positions of power and utilize
Speaker 2: a little bit of voice and vote and whatever I
Speaker 2: have to do, So you can't make me feel bad
Speaker 2: for that. There's nobody, there's nothing that anybody in the
Speaker 2: world can say that make me feel like I'm bad
Speaker 2: or wrong. So that's why.
Speaker 3: But I would say that, and I told you this,
Speaker 3: that not all black people need to be governing our communities, right,
Speaker 3: And so if you have an opportunity to choose between
Speaker 3: a white person that actually is committed, that's doing good work,
Speaker 3: that's in the movement, that wants to see police reform
Speaker 3: that would not let offices just punch and knocked down,
Speaker 3: you know people. And then there's a black person that's
Speaker 3: all for stopping frisk.
Speaker 2: And doin't Tim Scott, if it ain't Candice Owens, it
Speaker 2: ain't Daniel Cameron, if it ain't that the people, because
Speaker 2: I still.
Speaker 3: Don't still I mean, I hear you, But again, it
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be as severe as a Tim Scott
Speaker 3: and all of these people. There are folks that we
Speaker 3: see every day in our communities that are black people
Speaker 3: that are not worth the the the I was getting
Speaker 3: ready to say something crazy, but they're not worth the
Speaker 3: dirt they walk on.
Speaker 1: They're just not right.
Speaker 3: And then there are some white people that are super
Speaker 3: committed to the work. It's like if Julian Hoffenberg, who
Speaker 3: was a white woman that we were work very closely with,
Speaker 3: if she was running for office against and I won't
Speaker 3: say names because people will get upset, but another black
Speaker 3: person in our community, I'm definitely gonna choose her. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to just choose the black person just because
Speaker 3: they're black. So I think there has to be context
Speaker 3: surrounding that because I would not I want to vote
Speaker 3: for who I think is going to actually make the
Speaker 3: best change in the best situation for my community.
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, and that makes sense in
Speaker 2: the context of what you're saying, right, But what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say is, if it's Julian Hoffenberg, right, and
Speaker 2: it's other black people within this community right that I
Speaker 2: know that do the same work as Julian Hoffenberg. As
Speaker 2: much as I know love Julian Hoffenberg, I understand that
Speaker 2: the dynamics of this community, Julian Hoffenberg doesn't understand it
Speaker 2: the same way that most of the black women that
Speaker 2: I know that would actually be running for office do.
Speaker 2: I know that she loves black people. I know she
Speaker 2: kids with black people, but the dynamics and growing up
Speaker 2: in this community, dealing with the poverty and shit that
Speaker 2: had to go on this community, I know that that's
Speaker 2: not her reality.
Speaker 1: So I hate that.
Speaker 2: So listen, So listen what I'm saying. So if those
Speaker 2: are if the choices come between those black women, I
Speaker 2: love Jews and I want her to but I understand
Speaker 2: the dynamics of what's going on, and I also understand
Speaker 2: the dynamics of America and understand that nine times out
Speaker 2: of ten, the average white person that sees Jews is
Speaker 2: gonna vote for her just because she's white. And that's
Speaker 2: just the reality that we're dealing with in America. So
Speaker 2: I understand that in these situations, the black person is
Speaker 2: always gonna come from behind. It's always starting at a
Speaker 2: little place, don't even matter what the qualifications they have.
Speaker 2: So these are realities that I'm dealing with. So when
Speaker 2: I'm talking about I'm voting for everybody black if it's
Speaker 2: a ticket, especially in that set, especially if it's some
Speaker 2: seventy year old white man, eighty ye old white man.
Speaker 2: There's no way that I'm ever voting for an eighty
Speaker 2: year old white man over anybody black. Again, that's just
Speaker 2: never gonna happen in the history of I'm talking me.
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, but I say I think
Speaker 3: that we know as leaders, we have to be very
Speaker 3: careful with how we present information, and so what I
Speaker 3: hear you saying makes sense. But that's why we're always
Speaker 3: discussing the use of the word everybody right, because everybody black.
Speaker 1: Does not deserve your vote.
Speaker 3: Everybody of anything is not good for our people. I
Speaker 3: think that the better thing to say is I'm looking
Speaker 3: for the best black person in.
Speaker 1: Every situation that I can agree with.
Speaker 3: But to say that we're just voting for everybody black,
Speaker 3: knowing that there are people who could be more qualified
Speaker 3: from other communities, that does not make sense because, like
Speaker 3: I said, even people in our community don't deserve our
Speaker 3: vote the way that some people from outside the community may.
Speaker 1: They just don't.
Speaker 2: How many times has somebody that deserved our vote that
Speaker 2: was black didn't win to somebody that didn't deserve it
Speaker 2: there was white house. Does that happen?
Speaker 1: Weis? Has somebody got.
Speaker 2: Somebody who deserved our vote that was black, that was qualified,
Speaker 2: that was way more qualified than the white person, didn't
Speaker 2: get voted in right and lost just because the white
Speaker 2: people said, I'm voting for the white person.
Speaker 3: How many time happens often?
Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to say, So, what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is you playing by rule that nobody else
Speaker 2: is playing by, and that's why we keep losing because
Speaker 2: you having this you know, I'm I'm I'm sitting here
Speaker 2: and I'm going to vote for the most qualifier, and.
Speaker 1: That shit is cool.
Speaker 2: The thing is this, if we have two candidates, right,
Speaker 2: and they both they both good candidates, or both of
Speaker 2: them are bad candidates. I'm going with the black bad
Speaker 2: if I have to choose. If I have to choose,
Speaker 2: I'm going if they both got some shit, I'm going
Speaker 2: with the white person, I mean, the black person. If
Speaker 2: they both good candidates. The thing that's gonna push me
Speaker 2: to the next level with where I draw the line
Speaker 2: is Okay, that's the black person. I'm going with the
Speaker 2: black person. So that's what I'm trying to say. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna vote for anybody that I think is just
Speaker 2: gonna hurt me, right, But I know, I know in
Speaker 2: most of these instances when there's a black candidate that
Speaker 2: I've seen, the white candidate hasn't been better than them.
Speaker 2: They just haven't been bet at them and they've lost
Speaker 2: ninety percent of their time. So at what point do
Speaker 2: we start.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3: I think you're right that white people they have more
Speaker 3: resources to run longer, better races, and sometimes the black
Speaker 3: person is sitting right there and they are actual they
Speaker 3: are an actual benefit to the community, and they don't even.
Speaker 1: Get the type of screen time that they deserve.
Speaker 3: Case in point would be Cornell West right, like he
Speaker 3: deserves much more screen time, should be in debate, should
Speaker 3: be on it, It should have been in a primary candidate,
Speaker 3: And certainly I respect that I understand what all I'm
Speaker 3: saying is I would think about the best way to
Speaker 3: message what you're saying in a way that helps the
Speaker 3: person who really does not understand, because what you never
Speaker 3: want to do is just because you know, people listen to.
Speaker 1: Snippets, they listen to a little bit of information.
Speaker 3: They hear you saying you voting for everybody black, You don't,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to you. You with everybody black, which
Speaker 3: I've seen you write it and I've heard you say it,
Speaker 3: And then they become a demise to their own community
Speaker 3: by just siding with black people all the time and
Speaker 3: not realizing that sometimes that black person is being paid
Speaker 3: by operatives they're doing with them running in.
Speaker 1: The race, they actually are not for the community.
Speaker 3: And you might have a white progressive candidate who really
Speaker 3: is trying to do the right thing and we should
Speaker 3: be looking at them, but they got from you that
Speaker 3: they just should vote from black for black people. So
Speaker 3: I think that that messaging has to be tweaked in
Speaker 3: a way where it comes across better to people who
Speaker 3: are not as politically inclined and don't understand the nuances
Speaker 3: of what you're saying, you know. So that's that's the
Speaker 3: only thing that I would suggest going.
Speaker 2: To hear you. And I think when I distinguish between
Speaker 2: the candice on types and then you can and they
Speaker 2: don't always.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something that I said the other
Speaker 3: day when we were talking, people were online talking about
Speaker 3: Waka Flaka, and they were like, well, you know all
Speaker 3: this information out here, he could just read the information,
Speaker 3: like you know, don't tell me that he doesn't know
Speaker 3: because he can read. A lot of times people do
Speaker 3: not even know how to understand what they read. They
Speaker 3: don't know like they they don't know when they read
Speaker 3: it because I get stuff and I read it, and
Speaker 3: I be going to other people Linda or you or
Speaker 3: somebody else like what does this mean?
Speaker 1: Like I think I understand.
Speaker 3: It, but I'm a little confused, right, Some people don't
Speaker 3: have folks around like that.
Speaker 1: And I think in ten, leadership is.
Speaker 3: Being able to bite size, as you used to tell me,
Speaker 3: because remember I would be concerned and well, I don't
Speaker 3: speak as well as these people. I don't want to
Speaker 3: go into certain spaces and you would say no, the
Speaker 3: way that you are able to break down information for
Speaker 3: the person that doesn't that doesn't they ain't read nothing,
Speaker 3: they don't know these words, they haven't been exposed in
Speaker 3: these ways. That is very important. So I'm saying all
Speaker 3: of that to say to you that you I'm trying you.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that I understand what's in your head. But
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that as a listener to you, someone
Speaker 3: who your leadership matters to me, it needs a little
Speaker 3: bit of tweaking so that it comes across better for
Speaker 3: a person like me or somebody who has even less
Speaker 3: information than I have, because it gives the impression that
Speaker 3: we should be willing to support bad black people too,
Speaker 3: And I don't think that that is a good But.
Speaker 2: That's never been my my point because when i'm when
Speaker 2: I I distinguish between the bad black people. Right. So
Speaker 2: if if if that's what you got, I don't know
Speaker 2: how you got that, but cool, I'll do a lot better.
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going to say, if it's not these
Speaker 2: type of individual black people, then I'm voting with the
Speaker 2: black people. So I'm I'm a clarify I'm what you
Speaker 2: to understand. If it's not the Uncle Tom's the people
Speaker 2: that we know that stepping in fetching the the the
Speaker 2: c double O O N s those, it's not them.
Speaker 2: I'm with the black people because I understand the dynamics.
Speaker 2: I understand that for all of these years, everybody has
Speaker 2: been with them when they when they do demographics, when
Speaker 2: they go and do the voting polls in certain places,
Speaker 2: they automatically by race, they give it to the to
Speaker 2: the white people. They say, okay, this is this is
Speaker 2: populated by majority whites on this they you.
Speaker 3: Mean the actual systems like the machine where they with
Speaker 3: them in which community.
Speaker 2: Know why, because they understand that these white people is
Speaker 2: gonna vote with that white man.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I guess, I guess I hear what
Speaker 3: you're saying. And I do know that you're right that
Speaker 3: voter suppression that there is uh uh a. It is
Speaker 3: a thing that the voting poles are often not situated
Speaker 3: in the best place for black folks to get access
Speaker 3: to it, or will have like one polling location which
Speaker 3: you know it's like longer lines. And you know, when
Speaker 3: you go to the white folks in neighborhoods it's much.
Speaker 1: Easier to vote to vote.
Speaker 3: They make it much, you know, much more convenient for them.
Speaker 3: So I'm not disagreeing with you about that, but I
Speaker 3: don't know that. I mean, I guess white people majority
Speaker 3: vote with their own kind.
Speaker 1: I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: But we've seen in history where white people have crossed
Speaker 3: over Barack Obamas in New York City for Eric Adams.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's a recent case. There's been times
Speaker 1: you can name two in history since we've been There's
Speaker 1: been more. There's been more because.
Speaker 3: I think about when I think about the Congressional Black Caucus, right,
Speaker 3: there are a number of Congressional Black Caucus members who
Speaker 3: their district is not black only.
Speaker 1: It might be a lot of black, but it's not
Speaker 1: only black.
Speaker 3: Just think about Hawking Jeffreys, Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: black people in Brooklyn that voted for him, but there's
Speaker 3: a lot of white people there as well, and specifically
Speaker 3: the Jewish population is it's significant, hence the reason why
Speaker 3: he has such an allegiance to his Zionist friends.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: And so I'm saying that across the country, we can
Speaker 3: find examples of black elected officials that their districts are
Speaker 3: not most mainly black, which is which can be problematic
Speaker 3: sometimes because depending upon the other group of people, which
Speaker 3: is generally white folks that has helped to elect them,
Speaker 3: then their politics start, you know, wobbling, and they're not
Speaker 3: one hundred percent solid on our issues.
Speaker 1: So I agree, But I'm just saying that's that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You can put that on one hand to me because
Speaker 2: I'm just telling about like, I'm not saying it because
Speaker 2: there's no absolutes. There are one or two occasions where
Speaker 2: that that happens, right, But I'm just talking about of
Speaker 2: the of the five hundred elections that we've had for city,
Speaker 2: five hundred thousands, you can name five or six.
Speaker 1: So this one no, because in New we gotta go this.
Speaker 3: We can, we can, we should, actually, we should actually
Speaker 3: come back with hard numbers information. And the reason why
Speaker 3: I think that we should be able to do that
Speaker 3: is because New York City, just in New York City alone,
Speaker 3: and it's in a number of other cities across the country,
Speaker 3: the line up of elected officials, like basically the leadership
Speaker 3: in New York is black folks, right, They are black
Speaker 3: people who are and with gentrifications.
Speaker 2: If you look, if you look at where the black
Speaker 2: people are. They are in the black areas, they're not.
Speaker 1: But with that, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: In New York, that's not really the case because Natasha
Speaker 3: Williams needed enough of a lot of white people as
Speaker 3: well as Black people to get her.
Speaker 2: She has heavy But I'm trying to tell she has
Speaker 2: a heavy black that that is one of the strongest
Speaker 2: black communities in where.
Speaker 1: She is at is I get it.
Speaker 3: But but what I often find what I often find,
Speaker 3: and I you know, again, there are other people who
Speaker 3: are they they're posters, so they know this information and detail.
Speaker 3: What I often find is that yes, there will be
Speaker 3: some black people, a lot of black people that will
Speaker 3: help to get somebody over the finish line. But then
Speaker 3: there are other interest groups and a lot of times
Speaker 3: other people white folks and Asian and Indian and whoever else,
Speaker 3: they don't vote at all right in those elections, and
Speaker 3: so the margins are very small. So I but I
Speaker 3: am saying that I know that there are many places
Speaker 3: across the country with black people, especially mayors definitely need
Speaker 3: more than black people in most big cities in order
Speaker 3: to win.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we should definitely.
Speaker 2: I love that look at all of those big cities,
Speaker 2: they have a big black population. So what happens is
Speaker 2: they make their population come out because and if you
Speaker 2: look at the votes that they have is mainly black people.
Speaker 2: It's not that there's no black official. They got more
Speaker 2: white votes than they got black votes. That ain't happen.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say none. Again, I don't like to speak
Speaker 3: in I don't like to speak.
Speaker 2: About will in the bed. It probably didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like to speak in absolutes because there
Speaker 3: are some black politicians that act like white people and that's.
Speaker 1: How they got accepting. But I'm just saying they.
Speaker 2: Might have more white people.
Speaker 3: Vore to feel not black people too. He has black
Speaker 3: people too. But to say that none, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But anyway, like I said, they're there are posters who
Speaker 3: know the facts. Clear, it's not what we think is
Speaker 3: not like.
Speaker 2: Because I'm talking about Republicans and Democrats, I've actually been
Speaker 2: studying the polls. You're saying, I've been studying saying like
Speaker 2: we have five Republicans, right, But.
Speaker 3: Okay, but maus, you couldn't sit here and tell me
Speaker 3: the exact numbers of who voted because you don't write,
Speaker 3: so we don't know. We don't know, And I think
Speaker 3: that the purpose of our show is to educate people,
Speaker 3: as we said factually, so because you you believe this,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that I totally disagree with you.
Speaker 3: I just think that there's more to it. And so
Speaker 3: I think that the best thing to do is to
Speaker 3: invite somebody who knows actual numbers and states and can
Speaker 3: do like real serio research about this before coming on
Speaker 3: the show, so they can talk about.
Speaker 1: How do people vote?
Speaker 3: Right, you talked about wanting to do a show on
Speaker 3: identity politics. I think that's a real good topic to
Speaker 3: figure out, like what is the mindset and how do
Speaker 3: people vote? And like where are some hard numbers, because
Speaker 3: it's just it's better than what you're saying is more
Speaker 3: than likely the case. But I think it's important to
Speaker 3: highlight that some places are not and where are those
Speaker 3: places so we can know what type of people are they,
Speaker 3: Like what type of community were they in?
Speaker 1: Are they in Middle America?
Speaker 3: Are they in just New York and like progressive more
Speaker 3: liberal cities in states looking.
Speaker 1: Through that's.
Speaker 2: More progressive black cities. So it's not like it's a
Speaker 2: hard thing to figure out. I'm I'm not saying some
Speaker 2: shit that you got to guess when you look at Chicago,
Speaker 2: you look in New York, you look at LA, you
Speaker 2: look at the black man's and you look at the
Speaker 2: population in those cities, this.
Speaker 1: LA doesn't have a black man. I don't think. No,
Speaker 1: who's a.
Speaker 2: Black man, lady, black man? They just got her.
Speaker 3: I was maybe okay because I know there was a
Speaker 3: white man there we just talk about.
Speaker 1: But there are so many different municipalities in LA.
Speaker 2: So listen, we didn't get to my I don't get
Speaker 2: it this week. We'll get to it next week, you
Speaker 2: know me and to me a god into a debate,
Speaker 2: which is good and healthy because you know, we're all
Speaker 2: trying to sharpen still sharp and still So we'll get
Speaker 2: to my I don't get it next week. But I
Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed this episode. Very informative. I want you
Speaker 2: to do research. You know. These elections are very very important,
Speaker 2: you know, and when you make your decision, make your
Speaker 2: decision based on the things that you value. Don't let
Speaker 2: anybody else tell you what you should value, what you
Speaker 2: shouldn't value. As somebody who's making their own decisions and
Speaker 2: their own votes. So go out, make sure that you vote,
Speaker 2: make sure that you're engaged, make sure that you're not
Speaker 2: getting fake news and listening into fake clips and listening
Speaker 2: to sound bites. Make sure that you're getting real information.
Speaker 2: And with that said, I'm not gonna always be right
Speaker 2: to me, it's not gonna always be wrong, but we
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