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Speaker 4: All right, guys, welcome back EYO Houston edition. Oh man,
Speaker 4: if you notice the backdrop is different, that's because you're.
Speaker 3: On the road right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, took this one for sure. Show in the me
Speaker 4: in the great state of Texas, the beautiful city of Houston,
Speaker 4: so first and foremost shot to everybody in an We've
Speaker 4: only been here for them, like less than twenty four
Speaker 4: hours and we got shown so much love so far.
Speaker 2: I mean, as soon as we got on the plane,
Speaker 2: right they gave up their seats. Shout out to Crystal
Speaker 2: for give it up a seat.
Speaker 4: So we yeah, shot shout out to the radio station today,
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Speaker 4: It was great. So we enjoyed ourselves and we're going
Speaker 4: to come back out here. We're going to spend some
Speaker 4: more time in is Real.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we got a special, very special episode today. We
Speaker 4: have a special guest, Chris Senegal. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it man.
Speaker 5: Welcome to Houston, Senegalgue like the country, just like the country.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Africa. So, yeah, we're going to talk
Speaker 4: about a lot of different things this episode. We're going
Speaker 4: to talk about everything from gentrification, real estate, investing, day trading,
Speaker 4: a lot of different stuff. Chris is a very interesting guy.
Speaker 4: He's a renaissance man. He does a lot of different guys,
Speaker 4: a lot going on, guy, lot going on. And this
Speaker 4: is one of the things that we try to do
Speaker 4: when we travel. We try to tap in with the
Speaker 4: movers and shakers and business people that are making waves
Speaker 4: and making a name for themselves in the city. So
Speaker 4: we had to tap in with the good Brothers. So
Speaker 4: I want to get right into it. Yeah, you're an
Speaker 4: interesting guy. You told me that you went to school
Speaker 4: for to be an engineer. You're a trained engineer, civil engineer,
Speaker 4: degrees in all right, and then but you was actually
Speaker 4: day trading for a little bit. Right. We haven't really
Speaker 4: covered day trading too much. We had an episode on
Speaker 4: stocks and we talked a little bit about Wall Street,
Speaker 4: but we didn't really go into day trading. What made
Speaker 4: you go into day trading?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: So eventually that essentially that was my escape to try
Speaker 5: to get out of corporate America, you know, because I
Speaker 5: was like, I was like the good kid, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, straight a's in school, full scholarship to college,
Speaker 5: engineering job, got out there. I did it for like
Speaker 5: the first six months. I was like, man, I've been
Speaker 5: sold a dream. I hate this. That's how I felt.
Speaker 5: And so the first thing that came across my desk
Speaker 5: was stocks and trading. And I ran to a guy
Speaker 5: one day when I was at a conference for work,
Speaker 5: matter of fact, and he was about a pool all
Speaker 5: day every day with his laptop, and I was like,
Speaker 5: what is this dude doing? And so he was a
Speaker 5: brother and he was sitting out there and I was like,
Speaker 5: what are you doing. He's like, oh, I'm trading. You know.
Speaker 5: So he was watching the market what they called scalping,
Speaker 5: so basically watching for a stock to go up, knowing
Speaker 5: that it's it's it's probably going to come back down
Speaker 5: really quickly. He'll buy and make that little margin in
Speaker 5: the middle. And so basically I kind of talked to
Speaker 5: him into becoming my mentor. And so for like a
Speaker 5: full year I was like fully invested and learned how
Speaker 5: to trade outside of my work.
Speaker 2: So prior to that moment, did you have any familiarity
Speaker 2: with stocks.
Speaker 5: I had no familiarity with anything but going to school
Speaker 5: and getting the job, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 5: I had no exposure to business, entrepreneurship, investing, nothing else.
Speaker 5: This was my my I high moment, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so what do you teach you about day trading? Like,
Speaker 4: what does like day trading one on one look like
Speaker 4: for anybody that's not familiar. Day trading is when you
Speaker 4: could really day trade anything. It's when so most of
Speaker 4: the time when you invest in something, you invest in
Speaker 4: whole right. Day trading is when you're dating. You're trading
Speaker 4: in the day. So you might buy a stock at
Speaker 4: eleven o'clock in the morning and then you sell it
Speaker 4: at eleven thirty, you're selling it at one pm. You're
Speaker 4: trying to like just make quick short term profits. And
Speaker 4: you do that pretty much every day, and it's like
Speaker 4: a job where you're just like watching the computer, watching
Speaker 4: like different you know, swings in the market, and then
Speaker 4: you buy and then you sell. Right, So, what's the
Speaker 4: one on one that he taught you.
Speaker 5: And you kind of learned as far as day trading,
Speaker 5: mainly just the cycles of the day, you know, I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people that understand day trading, they're
Speaker 5: trained to look at the signals. So there's a lot
Speaker 5: of different technical indicators that people use, and there's certain
Speaker 5: like certain dips that you'll watch for. There's a certain
Speaker 5: spike in a stock or a certain cycle where it
Speaker 5: goes up and down, up and down a couple of times,
Speaker 5: and then when it breaks up what they call like
Speaker 5: a resistance barrier where it goes up higher than something,
Speaker 5: then it's time for you to get in because it's
Speaker 5: probably about to make a run and go up. And so,
Speaker 5: like you said, you know, day trading is basically just
Speaker 5: guessing what's about to happen based off of previous behaviors
Speaker 5: of generally stocks in general, what's the stress.
Speaker 3: Level of somebody that's going to be day trading?
Speaker 2: Man? I could imagine, right, Like I remember we were
Speaker 2: talking about cryptocurrency and we weren't sleeping, so I mean,
Speaker 2: we were doing that with money.
Speaker 3: That we knew we could lose. But somebody who's doing
Speaker 3: that as a career, what's the stress level?
Speaker 4: Pretty high?
Speaker 5: Mean a lot of people don't survive. I got out
Speaker 5: of it after a year, honestly. I mean it is.
Speaker 5: I would say it's about thirty percent better than gambling,
Speaker 5: sports betting, you know what I mean, because at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, it's still a person on the
Speaker 5: other end of whatever you're watching that's making decisions, and
Speaker 5: it's big institutions that are buying stocks. Is it could
Speaker 5: be individuals, but if they own enough shares of that
Speaker 5: particular stock that you're watching, they make a decision, that's
Speaker 5: what makes it spike or go down. And so you're guessing,
Speaker 5: and you're assuming that because people told you when you
Speaker 5: see this pattern and this stock, that this is going
Speaker 5: to be the result, you're assuming that that's what's going
Speaker 5: to happen this time.
Speaker 4: Again, a lot of times that's not the case. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because there's a thing called technical analysis. So when you're
Speaker 4: looking at stocks, there's fundamental analysis and the technical analysis.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So fundamental analysis when you're looking at fundamentals, so that's
Speaker 4: like you know, when people actually look at like earnings
Speaker 4: ratio and how the company is doing stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But then the technical analysis is when you're just looking
Speaker 4: at all technical stuff, right, So these are things that
Speaker 4: really has nothing to do with the how the company
Speaker 4: is doing. And there's like different indicators in charge, like
Speaker 4: the candlestick, it's charge and so like you said, and
Speaker 4: then there's like barriers and it's like okay, if it
Speaker 4: breaks out over this, then that makes it's going to
Speaker 4: go up. If it goes down under that, then it's
Speaker 4: gonna it's I tell people all the time, it's not
Speaker 4: something that you can just jump into. Now. It's very complicated,
Speaker 4: and you can get lucky, like all things in life,
Speaker 4: you can actually get lucky and make some money, but
Speaker 4: in the long haul, you can lose a lot of
Speaker 4: money because it moves very quickly, and like you said,
Speaker 4: a lot of things are just out of your control.
Speaker 4: And even with the good technical now because you can
Speaker 4: still not really because it's still kind of guessing in
Speaker 4: a sense, you're kind of just making a prediction based
Speaker 4: off of educated knowledge of what you are seeing. But
Speaker 4: even what you're seeing can be manipulated.
Speaker 3: So you said, after you only did it for a year,
Speaker 3: I did it for a year. After the year, what happened.
Speaker 5: Next, Man, I fell back for a minute. I started
Speaker 5: reading more and trying to figure out, you know, what
Speaker 5: other industry I could get into just to get out
Speaker 5: of that job, And so I started reading books in
Speaker 5: real estate kept coming up. At the same point in time,
Speaker 5: I actually decided I was gonna leave that job I had,
Speaker 5: and I moved back to Houston. I was in Memphis
Speaker 5: at that point in time. Moved back to Houston, but
Speaker 5: it was during the recession two thousand and eight, so
Speaker 5: I couldn't sell my house. So after like a year
Speaker 5: paying the mortgage payment, I just decided to get a
Speaker 5: property manager up in Memphis to rent it out for me.
Speaker 5: They rented it out. They rented it up for like
Speaker 5: four hundred dollars more than what the mortgage payment was.
Speaker 5: So then that's when that light bulb kind of went
Speaker 5: off for me. It was like, wait a minute, So
Speaker 5: I'm out here trying to figure out what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 5: And meanwhile, I got this property that's out of state.
Speaker 5: I got somebody else working managing it for me every month,
Speaker 5: and I'm making four hundred dollars a month doing nothing.
Speaker 5: Blessing in disguise, blessing in this guy. Right, So that
Speaker 5: open minds up to passive income. So that's when everything
Speaker 5: shifted to real estate.
Speaker 4: Can we talk about the franchise business that you had
Speaker 4: a little bit because you had it's called super week Express, Yeah,
Speaker 4: super we So what was the So all right, super
Speaker 4: We've expressed. I'm assuming it was weaves.
Speaker 5: Hair extensions, hair section, the full service of their business.
Speaker 4: So that's a billion dollar business. Right. We talked about
Speaker 4: the hair business, but not really in depth. But what
Speaker 4: made you want to go into as a man? What
Speaker 4: made you want to go into a woman's industry? Man?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's it's a supplying demand thing, right,
Speaker 5: So as an entrepreneur, you know you got a supply
Speaker 5: a product and that if there's a demand for it
Speaker 5: and there's a spread, then you can make a profit.
Speaker 5: And that's the only reason why I looked at it. Actually,
Speaker 5: the founders of that company are actually from my hometown
Speaker 5: port Art of Texas, and they had several locations and
Speaker 5: I sat down with them and they showed me the
Speaker 5: revenue numbers and their store was doing like half a
Speaker 5: million dollars a year and I was like.
Speaker 4: Man, I had no idea the weaves. Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: a physical brick and mortar store.
Speaker 5: Brick and mortar store they had, They had a stylist there,
Speaker 5: and they it was a commission based salon, so they
Speaker 5: got a percentage of the commission, but they did all
Speaker 5: the marketing, They did all the advertising, and then they
Speaker 5: assigned clients to the customers that they came in. And
Speaker 5: they also supplied the hair. So they bought it at
Speaker 5: the wholesale price, sold it that retail.
Speaker 2: So you bought a franchise, correct, Yeah, but a franchise.
Speaker 2: What's that process like? Because I think we spoke about
Speaker 2: that in one of our early episodes about being a
Speaker 2: franchise e.
Speaker 3: What's that process like and how'd you get involved?
Speaker 5: So the whole franchise model is basically, instead of you
Speaker 5: starting a business from scratch, you are identifying somebody that
Speaker 5: already has a business that appears to be successful, and
Speaker 5: you're paying them to use their branding, to use their
Speaker 5: their business model, you know, their business plan, and in exchange,
Speaker 5: you're going to pay them up front, you know, as
Speaker 5: a as a fee to get in and then monthly
Speaker 5: they're going to take a percentage of your revenue. I mean,
Speaker 5: And so that's that's what your franchise fee is.
Speaker 4: And the thing.
Speaker 5: That most people don't realize is that the average business
Speaker 5: is only profitable within the fifteen to twenty percent margin range. Right,
Speaker 5: So then when you're a franchise e, if that franchise
Speaker 5: says their royalty is what it's called, if it's forty
Speaker 5: eight percent, that's forty eight percent of your gross So
Speaker 5: they are a top line expense. They don't wait to
Speaker 5: see if you're profitable or that. On the back end, franchises,
Speaker 5: they can be good because it takes a lot of
Speaker 5: the risk out of what you're doing, but your profitability
Speaker 5: goes down.
Speaker 4: You said, that's the trade off. Can you can you
Speaker 4: explain that when you said the average business is profitable
Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty percent in the profit mark, can you
Speaker 4: explain that like what that means to the average person?
Speaker 4: I mean, no, understand that.
Speaker 5: So the biggest issue that I see with a lot
Speaker 5: of us, a lot of the biggest thing that we
Speaker 5: have a lack of exposure to when we start businesses,
Speaker 5: we listen to what somebody clots is their revenue, right,
Speaker 5: and that's the growth. So that's every dollar you've taken in,
Speaker 5: But that doesn't include what your what your rent cost is,
Speaker 5: what your labor cost is, Yeah, what your what your
Speaker 5: what your product cost is. You know, even when you
Speaker 5: bring in money, if you're in a business that has
Speaker 5: a lot of merchandise and products, even if you have profit,
Speaker 5: usually if your business has grown, you got to take
Speaker 5: all that revenue and put it right back in the
Speaker 5: business to re up on your inventory and probably buy
Speaker 5: more inventory to keep up with your demand. So there's
Speaker 5: a lot of money you can't really pull out that pipe.
Speaker 5: Then you got like you you got taxes, you got
Speaker 5: all these expenses that come along with running a business,
Speaker 5: and then what's left is profit. So and most of
Speaker 5: the time that's fifteen to twenty percent, especially if you're
Speaker 5: brick and mortar.
Speaker 2: You said that was one of your biggest mistakes, is
Speaker 2: getting into a business based on that revenue and not
Speaker 2: their net profit.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: How did that come about? How did you realize, like
Speaker 3: this was a mistake that I made.
Speaker 5: Well this business specifically, So when we opened, we hit
Speaker 5: a home run. You know, the first year we did
Speaker 5: four hundred and fifty thousand revenue. It's like sixty percent
Speaker 5: from the retail side and forty percent from the services side,
Speaker 5: which is a hairsalon. But the expenses were so high
Speaker 5: and we had to keep so much money tied up
Speaker 5: in it that at the end of the year what
Speaker 5: was left on the table.
Speaker 4: Was about sixty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: And then I had a partner, so now you're splitting
Speaker 5: that two ways. So now for all that work, you
Speaker 5: make thirty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 4: Oh that's crazy? Can you can you just go into that.
Speaker 4: You said that your your net was six hundred thousand,
Speaker 4: four hundred and you you netted sixty.
Speaker 5: Thirty Yeah all right, yeah thirty?
Speaker 4: How did that happen? Okay?
Speaker 5: So Number one, we went we wanted to be in
Speaker 5: a prime area, so we went and got a retail
Speaker 5: space in a shopping center. We were like between a
Speaker 5: salad beauty supply and the SAMs and so that was
Speaker 5: like five grand a month right there off the top.
Speaker 5: Then since Neither he nor I were stylists or we
Speaker 5: knew how to run a salon. We had to hire
Speaker 5: a manager and we had to have an assistant. So
Speaker 5: that's seventy grand right there. And then you know the
Speaker 5: revenue for the hair extensions. You know, only about thirty
Speaker 5: thirty five percent of that is profit, So we spent
Speaker 5: two undred thousand on that. So you know that that
Speaker 5: revenue looks like it's really high, but when you look
Speaker 5: at all those fences, it gets really gets smaller. Then
Speaker 5: you got utilities, you got product you got to keep
Speaker 5: in the salon the stylists to be able to use.
Speaker 5: You got marketing and advertising, and we were spending like
Speaker 5: five grand a month to stay on the radio to
Speaker 5: keep people walking.
Speaker 3: Through the door.
Speaker 5: You got insurance. So it's a lot of expense that's
Speaker 5: tied to that business.
Speaker 3: And this is what this is twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4: This was two thousand and fourteen, twenty fifteen. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said that because a lot of times
Speaker 4: people don't fully understand a reason why most businesses fail,
Speaker 4: right financial issues. You don't fully understand what goes into
Speaker 4: making a business. So even if you make almost in
Speaker 4: your case, almost a half a million dollars a year,
Speaker 4: you still might be broke. You end up making thirty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. It's like you could have worked a part
Speaker 4: time job really and now, but that business is probably
Speaker 4: taking like ten hours a day for you to actually run,
Speaker 4: maybe even.
Speaker 5: More exactly right, And we were open seven days a week,
Speaker 5: so there was no days off, you know. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: even though you have a manager, and manager still looks
Speaker 5: to the owner and make final decisions on things, so you're.
Speaker 4: On call all the time.
Speaker 5: You know, I tell people a lot of times what
Speaker 5: you said is exactly right. You may leave the comfort
Speaker 5: of a job to start a business not really realize
Speaker 5: that you just created another job for yourself with less benefits,
Speaker 5: with nothing to fall back on.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: So it's got to be the right decision. You got
Speaker 5: to really understand the business you're getting into.
Speaker 4: Now, that's a fact. So what what would your suggestion
Speaker 4: be as far as an entrepreneur, an inspiring entrepreneur that
Speaker 4: is going out there, would you say that, you know,
Speaker 4: looking at expenses is just as important as looking at
Speaker 4: what they could potentially make.
Speaker 5: Much more important, much more important, much more important. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you know, and I highly advocate getting a mentor
Speaker 5: somebody that's doing it, and you know, because it's hardly
Speaker 5: a business, you're gonna find where somebody else isn't already
Speaker 5: running a business like it. And I encourage people to
Speaker 5: try to find somebody in a different market that's doing
Speaker 5: the same thing so that they're more open and willing
Speaker 5: to talk to you about the ins and outs, the
Speaker 5: nasty part that people don't talk about, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, because they won't feel like they're creating a competition.
Speaker 5: But a lot of times, a lot of them just
Speaker 5: want to vent and they want to talk about, you know,
Speaker 5: the real issues, and they don't want to confide in
Speaker 5: their friends and their immediate circle because everybody looks up
Speaker 5: but then puts them on a pedestal for having this business.
Speaker 5: But so it kind of gives you an opportunity to
Speaker 5: be a sounding board and really learn the business.
Speaker 4: And also experience is always the best nature as well.
Speaker 4: I mean, no matter how much you're still gonna have
Speaker 4: to make mistakes and learn your own. Yeah, but like
Speaker 4: you said, you kind of curve the learning curve a
Speaker 4: lot if you actually have a mentor or you're working
Speaker 4: under somebody.
Speaker 2: For it's not about what you what you make, it's
Speaker 2: about what you keeping.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, yeah, And your school kind of conditions us
Speaker 5: to try to learn how to get it right on
Speaker 5: our own. First, don't cheat, don't copy off for somebody.
Speaker 5: But when you get in the world of business, your
Speaker 5: best bet is to copy the.
Speaker 4: Right cat Toad's that's a good you know, that's a
Speaker 4: good point.
Speaker 3: That was excellent.
Speaker 4: That's actually a really good point. Never really thought about
Speaker 4: it like that.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, and that's something I teach too, like
Speaker 5: because I mean, so many people in corporate America that
Speaker 5: are trying to get out and I just tell them,
Speaker 5: Number one, you got to retrain the way you think
Speaker 5: about everything because school now only school teach you not
Speaker 5: to cheat. School teaches you that if you're wrong more
Speaker 5: than ten percent of the time, you are not the best.
Speaker 5: All A students got to be writing ninety percent of
Speaker 5: time or more consistently to stay to stay up up.
Speaker 4: On that pedestal.
Speaker 5: Whereas you got a lot of people that were seeing
Speaker 5: these students failed, they comfortable feeling twenty thirty percent of
Speaker 5: the time all the time, and at the end they
Speaker 5: got the same diploma you got.
Speaker 4: You know, Jack mad said something interesting. If anybody that
Speaker 4: doesn't know who that is, that's the head of Ali Baba.
Speaker 4: He's one of the richest people in the world. And
Speaker 4: he said, he told he tells his son that you
Speaker 4: don't have to be an A student. It's okay to
Speaker 4: be a C student because those are the only people
Speaker 4: that have enough time to be well rounded and to
Speaker 4: experience a lot of different things. Because if you've the
Speaker 4: theory is that a lot of times it's like doctors, right,
Speaker 4: a lot of times they don't know anything about a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff because they focus so much on medicine
Speaker 4: and passing all the tests. They don't know how to
Speaker 4: write a check. Right. So what you're saying actually makes
Speaker 4: a lot of sense. And it is an issue with
Speaker 4: the school system because even if you look at a
Speaker 4: sport like baseball, you bat three hundred, you got four
Speaker 4: hundred every right, that's less than fifty percent. You expect
Speaker 4: somebody to do eighty ninety percent. Yeah, it's not realistic. Right,
Speaker 4: in the real world, make mistakes, especially if you're going
Speaker 4: to be broad range and have knowledge on a lot
Speaker 4: of different things. It's hard to just truly master five
Speaker 4: different subjects.
Speaker 2: That's one of those questions we used to ask ourselves, right,
Speaker 2: it was like, should we know a lot about a
Speaker 2: few things? I know a little about a lot of things, right,
Speaker 2: because that makes you more well rounded when you're versed
Speaker 2: in a lot of things. Right, Like I don't have
Speaker 2: a background in business, but I'm willing to learn in
Speaker 2: these areas.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I might not know medicine, but I'll research on it,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So we got to keep
Speaker 2: ourselves well around it. That's why I always stressed, like,
Speaker 2: education doesn't stop in school, right, Right, it goes beyond
Speaker 2: the four walls of the or the building of school.
Speaker 2: It goes in the living environment, it goes in the home,
Speaker 2: it goes in the communities.
Speaker 3: It's all over, it surrounds.
Speaker 4: Us, all right. So all right, so that was that
Speaker 4: was actually really good information as far as for anybody
Speaker 4: that's looking to get in the business and business owner.
Speaker 4: But now we're going to go into some more stuff.
Speaker 4: You're going to glose thing. We're also going to go
Speaker 4: into your career as an engineer. I think that that's
Speaker 4: interesting something I.
Speaker 3: Think we've touched on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we haven't really spoke about that, but all right,
Speaker 4: So We're going to that in the next segment. All right,
Speaker 4: So now we want to talk about all right, so
Speaker 4: you're you're an engineer my train and you you worked
Speaker 4: for the railroad company, right right? Can you explain that,
Speaker 4: like what you actually did, because that what you did
Speaker 4: that for twelve years? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I started while I was in college, like working
Speaker 5: for in part time. But what I did was so
Speaker 5: design rail terminals. I mean it's pretty it was pretty
Speaker 5: simple as far as the engineering because you're not building
Speaker 5: buildings and everything. But it was just a lot of
Speaker 5: work that was needed to like when after a derailment,
Speaker 5: you know, realigning the track, making sure that the trains
Speaker 5: can run because they they running a high velocity on
Speaker 5: these two little bitty rails and you got hundreds of
Speaker 5: thousands of tons moving at sixty seventy miles an hour,
Speaker 5: so you had to make sure that everything was designed,
Speaker 5: the curvature was right and all.
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff. And where were you doing this at?
Speaker 5: So I started off working for ce In Railroad. So
Speaker 5: I was covering between Chicago and ben Ruge, Louisiana.
Speaker 2: Wow, because we seen in you know, the past few months,
Speaker 2: these railroad systems the subway stys, especially in the New
Speaker 2: York where we're from, that are completely outdated. They're running
Speaker 2: on systems that are from like nineteen ten, right, and
Speaker 2: we're like, how is this even possible?
Speaker 5: Yeah, technology has not changed and they just they do
Speaker 5: the minimum maintenance to keep it up. So I was
Speaker 5: on like the freight side, so it wasn't any passenger rail.
Speaker 5: So a lot of it's behind the scenes, you know
Speaker 5: that they didn't get a lot of exposure unless that's
Speaker 5: a big derail me somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So merchandise and product is moving through your.
Speaker 5: Life right exactly, And like eighty percent of anything that
Speaker 5: moves somewhere in the United States, if it comes in
Speaker 5: on a cargo ship from China somewhere, it moves by
Speaker 5: rail at some point in time. It only moves by
Speaker 5: truck when it gets closer to its destination.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think people realize how big of a business
Speaker 4: trains are because the vast majority of the country probably don't.
Speaker 4: They don't ride trains like we're kind because we're from
Speaker 4: New York, so we're used to riding trains, subways and trains,
Speaker 4: it's pretty normal. But most of America they don't really
Speaker 4: ride trains like that anymore. So people might not fully
Speaker 4: understand that trains is a big business. And even if
Speaker 4: you don't ride it, like you said, a lot of
Speaker 4: cargo rides and trains.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And what people don't realize is that the railroad
Speaker 5: is basically what helped build the West. Like when everybody
Speaker 5: went from the East coast to West coast, everything was
Speaker 5: moving by a rail. There was small trains, great expansion, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: the great expansion. Yeah, everything was done by rail And
Speaker 5: people always wondered why the railroads in the hood that
Speaker 5: wasn't always the hood. That's what the first area that
Speaker 5: was settled in every small town because you had to
Speaker 5: bring everything in by a rail to set up, you know,
Speaker 5: the infrastructure, to build a city hall, to build small buildings.
Speaker 4: Everything came in by rail.
Speaker 2: So one of your job, not titles, but responsibilities is
Speaker 2: designed Are you designing the actual tracks?
Speaker 3: Like what what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Designing the actual tracks? You are? Yeah? Oh well,
Speaker 4: I mean that's what I did. Now.
Speaker 5: I did that for the first four years I worked
Speaker 5: for the railroad. But like I said, I wanted to
Speaker 5: get out of engineering. So and once I started getting
Speaker 5: into reading the real estate and entrepreneurship stuff. I realized
Speaker 5: I needed to learn more about business, so I kind
Speaker 5: of took that opportunity while I had the corporate blanket
Speaker 5: over me to try to get into other departments. So
Speaker 5: I went into operation. So I ran freight terminals.
Speaker 4: For like four years.
Speaker 5: And that was crazy experience because I'm like twenty four
Speaker 5: to twenty five guys that's forty fifty making twice as
Speaker 5: much money as me. Another union guys make over one
Speaker 5: hundred grand a year. I was making like fifty sixty.
Speaker 5: So I learned a lot about managing people in that role.
Speaker 5: Then I got out of that and I got into
Speaker 5: the marketing and sales side, and I was lucky enough
Speaker 5: to get into industrial products, which is chemicals and oil
Speaker 5: and gas stuff. So I'm sitting in rooms with all
Speaker 5: these decision makers at Exxon, Chevron, pill Up sixty six,
Speaker 5: these type companies, and yeah, man, it's just open mye's
Speaker 5: to a whole different world. They speak a different language.
Speaker 5: You learn a lot more about the economy and infrastructure
Speaker 5: of everything.
Speaker 4: But what's one of the things you learned when you
Speaker 4: was working on that side of the fence.
Speaker 5: Man, I just learned how money really works. And how
Speaker 5: people really make decisions because energy runs the country, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like without without coal, without oil,
Speaker 5: without gasoline, everything shuts down. And so they know that
Speaker 5: they basically have monopoly on everything, you know, and the
Speaker 5: profit margins are crazy.
Speaker 4: That in the world, what's the profit margins are.
Speaker 5: Three hundred percent on a lot of stuff?
Speaker 4: Wow, like gas and oil and stuff. Yeah, so let
Speaker 4: me ask you this. Then a lot of people are
Speaker 4: saying that we should move away from that, going to
Speaker 4: solar energy, wind energy, electric energy. You're you're an engineer
Speaker 4: and you worked in the space. Hey, is that realistic?
Speaker 4: And what's your thoughts on that, like as long term?
Speaker 4: Can we continue the way we're going now or do
Speaker 4: we have to make a change.
Speaker 5: I mean eventually there there will have to be a
Speaker 5: change because there's a limited amount of fossil fuels out there,
Speaker 5: so we're gonna have to find other energy sources that
Speaker 5: we can use that are renewable. So it's definitely feasible,
Speaker 5: it's definitely plausible, and like wind, sunlight, water, that stuff's
Speaker 5: not gonna go away, so we're gonna have that. But
Speaker 5: you just have these big institutions that are making so
Speaker 5: much money off of the fossil fuel based energy sector
Speaker 5: that they're not going to just give up their position.
Speaker 5: And they do a lot of lobbying in Washington. That's
Speaker 5: I was about to say, that's something that we don't
Speaker 5: really understand. But their lobbying is powerful. That's why all
Speaker 5: the legislation really happens. I don't care who you vote for,
Speaker 5: is somebody with money in the back, behind the scenes
Speaker 5: in Washington taking them out to dinner, wining and dinam
Speaker 5: and that's when the real decisions are made.
Speaker 3: You got to make sure they keep their money.
Speaker 4: I remember when Hillary Clinton was running for president versus Trump.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, so they were saying, I think Chase
Speaker 4: Chase put like ten million into Hillary's campaign, but they
Speaker 4: put nine million in the Trumps campaign. No matter who won,
Speaker 4: they won, it doesn't matter. I mean, that's what people
Speaker 4: don't fully understand either. It's like you're playing a political
Speaker 4: game based off of emotion, but these people are playing
Speaker 4: a political game based off a strategy. It's two different things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're playing chess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna give money to Republicans, Democrats, and independence
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, they need what
Speaker 4: they need done and money talks.
Speaker 2: And whoever, whoever's the decision maker, either red or blue,
Speaker 2: is gonna help them.
Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, so you started a business the erail commerce.
Speaker 4: Can you talk about that?
Speaker 5: So basically something else I like to teach entrepreneurs, especially
Speaker 5: the ones that's coming out of corporate world. Everybody feels
Speaker 5: like I got to create something new, Like I got
Speaker 5: to get into an industry that I see everybody else doing. Right,
Speaker 5: But what I realized is like, man, if this company
Speaker 5: is paying me one hundred grand a year to do
Speaker 5: this job, there has to be a smaller business out
Speaker 5: there somewhere that needs these same services, need the same
Speaker 5: skill set, and I can just go out and provide
Speaker 5: the service for them, and instead of being their employee,
Speaker 5: I become their consultant. So that's what Erael commerces. I
Speaker 5: took all that experience I had, all those connections I
Speaker 5: had with the railroad, all these oil and gas companies,
Speaker 5: and I found all these smaller companies that need or
Speaker 5: want to get a contract with an Exxon. Because Exon
Speaker 5: has over ten thousand rail cars, Everyone of those cars
Speaker 5: has to be maintained, has to be repainted, has to
Speaker 5: be cleaned, that has to be maintenance done to them.
Speaker 5: They have to storm when they're not using they got
Speaker 5: to park them somewhere. So what I do is I
Speaker 5: help all those companies that provide those services get in
Speaker 5: the door with exon, get the contract, and then they
Speaker 5: perform all the work and I just get commissions off
Speaker 5: of the deals.
Speaker 4: So you get like the relationship, man, I am.
Speaker 5: I'm basically broker, basically broker in and I have everything
Speaker 5: set up with with my clients to where whatever contract
Speaker 5: that helped them get I get paid.
Speaker 3: But so email is not the only.
Speaker 2: Form of consultation that you're providing, right, Don't you have
Speaker 2: a few other consultation things that you do well.
Speaker 5: I mean, in general, I just try to help entrepreneurs
Speaker 5: get started, you know, because I mean I was so
Speaker 5: lost when I was trying to get out out of
Speaker 5: the work world. I was like, man, nobody was really
Speaker 5: here to guide me and teach me. So I use
Speaker 5: my social media platform and you know, I use that
Speaker 5: network and that audience as as my way to give back,
Speaker 5: you know. So anybody that has helped wants helped with
Speaker 5: it getting started entrepreneurship. I try to teach them the
Speaker 5: basis the kind of stuff is we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I get them as far as I can, and then
Speaker 5: I try to network with someone that's actually in their
Speaker 5: field and try to get them to get under that person.
Speaker 2: So you're providing the mentorship by consulting. Right, Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 4: Consulting is something that we also haven't spoken about yet
Speaker 4: in this podcast, but it's extremely important and it's a
Speaker 4: very profitable business as well. Consultants. You have consultants in
Speaker 4: school industry, you have consultants in political industry, have consultants
Speaker 4: and all kinds of stuff. Right, can you explain the
Speaker 4: importance a lot of times, especially for small business owners.
Speaker 4: This is the problem with small business owners us compare
Speaker 4: the business big business. They have a small way of thinking.
Speaker 4: They dot understand the power of consulting. They don't understand
Speaker 4: the power of marketing. They don't understand. They just want
Speaker 4: to just do the work. It's like running on the tread,
Speaker 4: but you can only get so far. Right, when you
Speaker 4: get enough wind behind you, know, you can start to fly.
Speaker 4: So when you're talking about the power of consulting, like
Speaker 4: what can somebody get value out of a hiring the
Speaker 4: right consultant?
Speaker 5: So there's only two ways you're gonna learn. You either
Speaker 5: gonna bump your head and you're gonna lose time and money,
Speaker 5: or you're gonna pay for the knowledge period. There's no
Speaker 5: other way you're gonna learn. Right, So you hire a consultant.
Speaker 5: A consultant as someone that's an expert in that field
Speaker 5: that's already got experience doing what you're trying to do.
Speaker 5: Or they can help you with a particular area of
Speaker 5: the business that you can't fulfill.
Speaker 4: Like if you have a great product.
Speaker 5: But you don't know how to get it in front
Speaker 5: of enough people, you need a marketing consultant to come
Speaker 5: in and help you get it in front of the
Speaker 5: right people. And so it's basically a way for you
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Speaker 5: At a whole department to your business without actually having
Speaker 5: a hire un employee, it's a consultant.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: That consultant can neither be somebody that's paid by the hour,
Speaker 5: or it could be somebody that I always recommend you
Speaker 5: get performance based consultants, which means they work off a commission.
Speaker 4: So if they don't.
Speaker 5: Produce for you, they don't make any money, right, so
Speaker 5: that that gives them a vested reason to get in
Speaker 5: there and work hard and get something done. And on
Speaker 5: the flip side of that that, like you said, that's
Speaker 5: a very lucrative business too, because it's a business where
Speaker 5: it doesn't require you have to invest a lot. You
Speaker 5: can work from home and be a consultant and people
Speaker 5: actually paying you just for the knowledge that you already have.
Speaker 5: You know, so you can take that corporate experience you could. Man,
Speaker 5: you could have been flipping burgers and McDonald's for five years,
Speaker 5: but guess what skill set you got. You know what
Speaker 5: it takes to onboard a new employees. So you can
Speaker 5: go to other small restaurants and say here's the McDonald's model.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna teach you how to run a McDonald's model
Speaker 5: for your restaurant.
Speaker 3: And that's something that anybody can do. Like, as you're
Speaker 3: saying it.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of like, especially in the education field, and
Speaker 2: especially in the restaurant field as well. It's like people
Speaker 2: always try to figure out how can they make passive income, right,
Speaker 2: and they don't realize that they have a skill set already.
Speaker 2: They're just overlooking it, right, They're not maximizing their potential.
Speaker 4: Well, this is one of the things you talk about
Speaker 4: multiple streams of income. That is that the average millionaire
Speaker 4: has seven streams of income. That doesn't mean they has
Speaker 4: seven jobs or even seven businesses. Is that they're maximizing
Speaker 4: their skills maybe one or two businesses. So, as you said,
Speaker 4: you can be a teacher, right, but you're an expert
Speaker 4: in that field. If you're a really good teacher, Now
Speaker 4: you can be a consultant to school districts, right, curriculum
Speaker 4: things of that nature. Right, And that's something that anybody
Speaker 4: can do. As choice said, even if you're still an employee,
Speaker 4: you can be an entrepreneur and create your own consulting business.
Speaker 2: And the amount of time it doesn't require as much right,
Speaker 2: right to say these are my hours.
Speaker 3: You dictate the hours, and you dictate the fees, and a.
Speaker 5: Lot of times you're helping different customers and clients with
Speaker 5: the same problem exactly, so you already know it like
Speaker 5: in and out.
Speaker 4: You know your business. How did you market yourself to
Speaker 4: your customers or clients?
Speaker 5: How do you man The most powerful tool I use
Speaker 5: is linked in okay, And what I liked about LinkedIn
Speaker 5: is because when when you put yourself on there as
Speaker 5: a business owner, you give yourself whatever title you want.
Speaker 5: You know, so I gave my it's just it's me
Speaker 5: and one partner, but my title is executive VP. So
Speaker 5: that puts you in a whole different arena. They look
Speaker 5: at you like, it's all perception. It's all perceptions. So
Speaker 5: then when I go to when I see a company
Speaker 5: that I'm trying to get a connection with and I
Speaker 5: go to the CEO and request to connect with them,
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, it's another executive that wants connect you.
Speaker 3: We got an execut that wants to meet you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's all it is is positioning, and it's it's
Speaker 5: all about you know what you post. I post. I
Speaker 5: repost a lot of Wall Street Journal type articles that
Speaker 5: are related to the industry. Any type of insight that
Speaker 5: I get from anybody else that's in the industry, I'll
Speaker 5: make a post about that. So then you kind of
Speaker 5: position yourself as a subject matter expert. So then a
Speaker 5: lot what happens is eventually enough people watching your posts
Speaker 5: to where when they have a problem, they come to
Speaker 5: you instead of you having to go out and ask
Speaker 5: for business. And another great thing I like about LinkedIn
Speaker 5: is because you can type in any job title you want.
Speaker 5: So I'm in a supply chain, right, I type in
Speaker 5: director of supply chain. LinkedIn is gonna give me a
Speaker 5: list of people with that title. So all I do
Speaker 5: is go connect, connect connect, connect, connect, connect, you know,
Speaker 5: and then that builds your audience because people go to
Speaker 5: check you out to see who is this that's asking.
Speaker 4: The link with me?
Speaker 5: And then like my network on LinkedIn is like seventeen thousand,
Speaker 5: it's all industrial products, supply chain people from all these
Speaker 5: big companies.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of that's LinkedIn. You got to accept
Speaker 4: every single person.
Speaker 5: Right yeah, well yeah, the person has the person has
Speaker 5: to approve the connection.
Speaker 4: But if your page.
Speaker 5: Is set up to where it looks like, oh, this
Speaker 5: is somebody that I might want to my network, then
Speaker 5: you're good. And that's the whole purpose of you know,
Speaker 5: making sure that you set yourself up right on there with.
Speaker 4: The right titles, you send and you send Uh was
Speaker 4: it in mail? Right? They send you in mail? So
Speaker 4: you could both.
Speaker 5: I guess something both. Yeah. I met with a guy
Speaker 5: matter of fact, he flew in from Arkansas last week
Speaker 5: because he's working with a private development group that does
Speaker 5: industrial development and they're looking for new locations to build
Speaker 5: new rail terminals. And that's part of my job when
Speaker 5: I working in railroad, so that's part of my consulting too.
Speaker 5: So he literally reached out to me because he had
Speaker 5: been seeing me make these posts on LinkedIn about railroad
Speaker 5: development and railroad terminals. So he just got literally fluent
Speaker 5: for the day just for that meeting.
Speaker 3: You are using your resources efficiently.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times people don't realize that they're
Speaker 2: just on LinkedIn, or they're just on Facebook just to
Speaker 2: put pictures up, not networking, and not realizing how powerful
Speaker 2: a tool they have at their fingertips.
Speaker 4: Well, LinkedIn is only for networking. But I got to
Speaker 4: get a better I go actually got to do a
Speaker 4: better job on LinkedIn because I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: don't feel too comfortable with it. I feel like it's
Speaker 4: some kind of boring.
Speaker 5: It is boring, but it's like Facebook, but it's for
Speaker 5: business only.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's powerful, Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 5: I mean you can you would be surprised that people
Speaker 5: that don't have a lot of LinkedIn followers that are
Speaker 5: like powerful people like I mean like producers, executive producers
Speaker 5: at these big stations. They may have five hundred, one
Speaker 5: thousand connections and you go requested and it's approved the
Speaker 5: next day, you know. But it's like it's like it's
Speaker 5: like a backdoor to get the connection that usually you
Speaker 5: have to call a corporate headquarters and talk to administrative
Speaker 5: person and ask the schedule time to meet this person
Speaker 5: you just got LinkedIn and find them.
Speaker 3: So when you need it's like getting you past all those.
Speaker 5: Stings exactly, like all the gatekeepers. Yeah, you pass all
Speaker 5: the gatekeepers if.
Speaker 3: The person's on LinkedIn.
Speaker 4: If they're on that, but every everybody's on LinkedIn, and
Speaker 4: LinkedIn is one is the most powerful search thing too,
Speaker 4: because like so when you search somebody's name on Google,
Speaker 4: the first thing that comes up is LinkedIn. That's like
Speaker 4: the first thing. It's like it's like your online resume
Speaker 4: pretty much, it is. And so I don't know how
Speaker 4: they how they work that with the algorithm, but they
Speaker 4: always are on the top of your thing. So you
Speaker 4: kind of have to have a LinkedIn page if you're
Speaker 4: doing anything in business. It's like almost mandatory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, agree, I gotta upject man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so that was good in for so
Speaker 4: now in the last time we want going to real estate,
Speaker 4: we're going to talk as sting real estate.
Speaker 3: That's things going on.
Speaker 4: That's so yeah for sure. All right, so in the
Speaker 4: last time, we're gonna talk about real estate, right, So, okay,
Speaker 4: what made you go into real estate first and foremost?
Speaker 5: Like I said, I kind of fell into it with
Speaker 5: the court, with the with the corporate job and leaving.
Speaker 5: And I had bought a house at the first gig
Speaker 5: and when I moved back to Houston, I couldn't sell it,
Speaker 5: so I had to get.
Speaker 4: A property manager.
Speaker 5: Property manager rented out. I was making like four hundred
Speaker 5: bucks a month and I wasn't working at all for it.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is this seems like something lucrative.
Speaker 5: And you know, the more you research real estate, it's
Speaker 5: like eighty percent of the first time millionaires I made
Speaker 5: in real estate.
Speaker 2: But this is at a relatively young age, right, like
Speaker 2: your first property was at twenty two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty two, that's pretty young. Yeah, twenty man, So
Speaker 5: that was that was kind of a blessing. Through having
Speaker 5: worked with the railroad while I was in school, I
Speaker 5: had enough tenure with them to actually qualify for a
Speaker 5: moving package. So when you work with a corporate company,
Speaker 5: when they move you, they either give you a stipend
Speaker 5: or they give you like a down.
Speaker 4: Payment towards the house.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: And so they gave me the down payment and instead
Speaker 5: of meeting apartment and pocketing the money, just.
Speaker 4: Had to get a house.
Speaker 3: But you could have took the stipend, I could have
Speaker 3: took the sype. He took the long term place.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you're not an engineered by mistake.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. So all right, so then how did that
Speaker 4: transition to you doing what you're now as far as
Speaker 4: you're developing?
Speaker 5: So okay, So when I moved to Houston, I decided
Speaker 5: I wanted to go really hard on the in the
Speaker 5: real estate game. And so one of my my line brothers,
Speaker 5: my frat brother, worked for home vestors that we buy
Speaker 5: ugly houses people, and he was their property manager in
Speaker 5: the hood. And so I kind of told him what
Speaker 5: I wanted to do, and so he ended up plugging
Speaker 5: me with one of the contractors that Home Vestors using.
Speaker 5: This guy was flipping twenty thirty houses a month for them,
Speaker 5: doing actual rehab work. And so he kind of became
Speaker 5: my mentor and we would pick houses, I would flip them.
Speaker 5: Of course he would make money off of the rehabs,
Speaker 5: and so that's how I kind of got into the
Speaker 5: real estate game.
Speaker 4: In two thousand and nine.
Speaker 5: I would sell some of them, I kept some of
Speaker 5: them for rentals, and I was doing that for about
Speaker 5: five years, but then I got tired.
Speaker 4: Of having rental property.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know everybody says that's supposed to be
Speaker 5: supposed to buy the home of living and have rental property,
Speaker 5: but man on the rentals sucks.
Speaker 3: The downfalls.
Speaker 5: Okay, so a lot of people, it's a good profit
Speaker 5: margin on a rental properties three or four hundred bucks
Speaker 5: a month, right, but you have one month, say like
Speaker 5: a tenant moves out, and then it takes you a
Speaker 5: month to find another tenant's And if your mortgage payment
Speaker 5: is twelve hundred dollars, that's literally three months of your
Speaker 5: profit gone.
Speaker 4: If you got to make a repair that repairs.
Speaker 5: One thousand dollars. That's another two and a half months
Speaker 5: of profit gone, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 5: for me, it was like and then you have this debt.
Speaker 5: I was own like one hundred, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: on each house, and so now you got debt and
Speaker 5: you got these small profit margins, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I can see how long term I can continue to
Speaker 5: do this and make money slowly, But dealing with tenants, tennants,
Speaker 5: tearance stuff, fuck, you know, it just wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't something that I enjoyed doing.
Speaker 3: What type of properties were you looking for? Was it
Speaker 3: single family homes or yeah family or yeah property.
Speaker 5: Yeah, at that point in time, I didn't qualify for
Speaker 5: anything like extravagance. So I was just buying a little
Speaker 5: single family homes and I'm saying, there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 5: You know, everybody can make money in any industry. But
Speaker 5: for me, it's just like, I want to do something bigger,
Speaker 5: and so I guess I continued to flip. I started realizing,
Speaker 5: you know, this narrative about gentrification happens over and over
Speaker 5: and over, and I was like, man, I.
Speaker 4: Know a few of us that are flipping.
Speaker 5: I don't know anybody that's really trying to get into
Speaker 5: the development game, and you know, kind of change the
Speaker 5: narrative so we have some control over that. So twenty thirteen,
Speaker 5: that's when I decided to kind of get off into that.
Speaker 3: So would you buying land in twenty thirteen? Was that
Speaker 3: the next step?
Speaker 5: I didn't know what I was going to buy. I
Speaker 5: just knew what I was gonna do is stop flipping
Speaker 5: and try to figure it out. Okay, So I just
Speaker 5: started talking about it, and man, it came full circle.
Speaker 5: That same my same line brother that helped me get
Speaker 5: into the game. He had an old tenant reach out
Speaker 5: to him that used to be in one of the
Speaker 5: properties and say, hey, I'm over here in Fifth War
Speaker 5: and the landlord over here isn't taking care of the property.
Speaker 5: I think he's on drugs. And so you know what
Speaker 5: he heard was opportunity. So he reached out to me
Speaker 5: and he's like, man, I think we got opportunity to
Speaker 5: go pick up a few houses over here. So I
Speaker 5: went to go meet with the guy. Ended up being
Speaker 5: a whole block, got a grocery store on it. Okay,
Speaker 5: true story. At the time, this was in the hood.
Speaker 5: It wasn't worth nothing. It was probably worth three hundred thousand.
Speaker 5: The whole block. Everything was kind of run down. But
Speaker 5: it's in the area where you tell somebody I'm about
Speaker 5: to go spend three hundred thousand, They're like, man, are
Speaker 5: you crazy? It's the hood, nothing but drugs and prostitution
Speaker 5: over there. You're gonna waste your money, you know. So
Speaker 5: what I ended up doing to talk him in doing
Speaker 5: the deal, I offered him four hundred thousand for it.
Speaker 5: So but of course I didn't have the cash to
Speaker 5: pay four hundred thousand. So he actually had inherited the
Speaker 5: property from his dad. His dad was like a real
Speaker 5: estate taccoon had like twenty six blocks over there, twenty
Speaker 5: six blocks, twenty six blocks. Who twenty six blocks, and
Speaker 5: this block happened to be the one that they gave
Speaker 5: this this kid, and he was like the horrible kid,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He watched it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So so this was the one he had,
Speaker 5: and he still wasn't taking.
Speaker 4: Care of it.
Speaker 5: So I offered him owner finance scenario where it's like,
Speaker 5: I give you ten percent now with the finance. So
Speaker 5: that's when the instead of you instead of going to
Speaker 5: the bank, the owner that actually doesn't have any debt
Speaker 5: on the property will let you make payments over time
Speaker 5: to buy the property from them. So I gave him
Speaker 5: ten percent of what we agreed to the four hundred thousands,
Speaker 5: so forty thousand dollars which came from me selling one
Speaker 5: of my rental properties. And then that allowed me now
Speaker 5: to control that whole block of property and it had
Speaker 5: the grocery store on it and then had the houses,
Speaker 5: but everything was really run down. So instead of fixing
Speaker 5: it up, what I decided to do was do parole
Speaker 5: housing for felons because it's really hard for him to
Speaker 5: find anywhere to live. So I would rent them out
Speaker 5: a single room in each one of the houses, charging
Speaker 5: three to fifty out.
Speaker 4: There was something that they could afford because the type
Speaker 4: of jobs they could.
Speaker 5: Get, you know, they didn't have much income, or they
Speaker 5: like a halfway house pretty much like a halfway house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they call them sr row houses. And then so
Speaker 4: the state pays you that right.
Speaker 5: Sometimes sometimes if it depends on what program they're in,
Speaker 5: they get some type of housing assistance, but most of
Speaker 5: the time, no, they had to go get a job.
Speaker 5: So that's what made it really good because you talk
Speaker 5: about a low risk tenant, you got somebody that's happy
Speaker 5: to be out of prison. They was in prison for
Speaker 5: non violent offense. I didn't do violent people. They had
Speaker 5: to keep a job and they had to keep somewhere
Speaker 5: to stay, and ninety nine percent of the places wouldn't
Speaker 5: even allow them to live there. So they were like
Speaker 5: they were like built in good higher revenue for me,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean as collectively in each house.
Speaker 5: Whereas I could have rented that whole house for five
Speaker 5: hundred dollars to a regular family, now I'm making eleven
Speaker 5: twelve hundred dollars off that the same house, you know,
Speaker 5: with this program, and because you were renting the rooms,
Speaker 5: them individual rooms, and most of them had trades, so
Speaker 5: they were like carpenters, electricians, plumbers. They all earned their
Speaker 5: trades in prison. So anything went wrong, I just dropped
Speaker 5: off with.
Speaker 3: The wind is built in and they were just happy.
Speaker 4: To have somewhere to live, you know. So yeah, so
Speaker 4: that worked out. That was a win win man.
Speaker 5: And then that was twenty thirteen, fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 4: I did that.
Speaker 5: In twenty sixteen, redevelopment kind of started in the area
Speaker 5: that I was in Something else that I always watched too,
Speaker 5: even when I was flipping, is what the city's plans were.
Speaker 5: And you can go to the planning Department's website and
Speaker 5: it'll tell you what they're planning to do five years,
Speaker 5: ten years down the road. And that's a lot of
Speaker 5: the game that we don't pay attention to, but you know,
Speaker 5: the other group's pay attention.
Speaker 4: Where can you find that information that Usually you.
Speaker 5: Can just google it, like Planning and Development Department or
Speaker 5: Urban Planning for whatever city you're in, and it'll pull
Speaker 5: up on that website. You know, it's usually a dot
Speaker 5: gov type website, and they'll have all their information. A
Speaker 5: lot of us talked about the city council meetings, so
Speaker 5: you can look up city council meeting minutes and they'll
Speaker 5: tell you about anything big, any developer that's proposed to
Speaker 5: do something in certain area.
Speaker 4: All that has to be public publicly announced.
Speaker 5: So but what I noticed about Houston was like everything
Speaker 5: was going to counterclockwise around downtown. And the fifth one
Speaker 5: neighbor that I was buying it was the last quadrant.
Speaker 5: So I knew eventually it was gonna come. I just
Speaker 5: didn'n't win, you know, And so yeah, So that's how
Speaker 5: I got into it, and twenty sixteen is another guy
Speaker 5: started building. So then I figured it was time for
Speaker 5: me to try to figure out how to get it done.
Speaker 4: So what is your all, right, So what's your philosophy
Speaker 4: on gentrification? What's what's your how do you feel about that?
Speaker 5: So gentrification has a very negative connotation in our community
Speaker 5: because we are never the ones revitalizing that neighborhood. And
Speaker 5: what happens is the people that are revitalizing or looking
Speaker 5: out for themselves or their own groups. It's not that
Speaker 5: they don't care about us, is that they have their
Speaker 5: own personal agendas that that that they're moving forward.
Speaker 4: And so we can.
Speaker 5: Either continue to watch it happen or we can participate, right,
Speaker 5: and we can participate in the way that we kind
Speaker 5: of control the narrative of what's being built, who it's
Speaker 5: being built for, and what happens to the surrounded.
Speaker 4: Community that we're building in. Right.
Speaker 5: So my goal with my project is, you know, most
Speaker 5: of the time when you hear about black builders in
Speaker 5: black neighborhoods, it's low income stuff. And I feel like
Speaker 5: that's great, Like we do need to look out for
Speaker 5: the low income people, but we got to attract the
Speaker 5: people that were successful to the people that made it
Speaker 5: out those neighborhoods, to back to those neighborhoods because we
Speaker 5: need that income, we need that demographic if we ever
Speaker 5: want a grocery store to come back. We can't sit
Speaker 5: and depend on the government to do that. And right now,
Speaker 5: what happens is the people that are successful, they go
Speaker 5: and buy houses in the suburbs.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: It's not because they don't want to move back, it's.
Speaker 4: Because they have no options.
Speaker 5: So my focus is, well, let me start building some
Speaker 5: market rate stuff, not low income houses and stuff, but
Speaker 5: try to attract these working professionals back to the neighborhoods
Speaker 5: with a high quality product that they know they're gonna
Speaker 5: pay the same price they're paying in the suburbs and
Speaker 5: in the city. Your value is going to appreciate a
Speaker 5: whole lot more, especially when that neighborhood starts to revitalize.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what you've done with you know,
Speaker 2: the land that you bought in twenty thirteen, right, which
Speaker 2: is the most recent development that you worked on, fourteen fourteen, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Fourteen units individual house townhouses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to talk about that, how that came about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's the same property that I bought with
Speaker 5: the grocery store and everything. So twenty sixteen I decided
Speaker 5: to just tear everything down. When I saw there's another
Speaker 5: developer that was building houses deep in the neighborhood and
Speaker 5: he was selling them for two fifty before they were complete.
Speaker 4: He wasn't even listing them on MLS.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, so that tells me that there's a mindset,
Speaker 5: there's enough people out there are willing to save one
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars because everything else inside the city loop
Speaker 5: was like entire sixteen Loop was two three fifty or
Speaker 5: more so, but people would rather save that money and
Speaker 5: live in a neighborhood that was still pretty rough. So
Speaker 5: I was like, well, if he can do this deep
Speaker 5: in the neighborhood, I'm right on the feeder to the highway,
Speaker 5: you know, I got a view of downtown. I should
Speaker 5: be able to do something with my property too. And
Speaker 5: so that's when I decided I'm gonna move forward with
Speaker 5: this initiative to try to build these townhouses. And it
Speaker 5: took a lot of work. It took me building the
Speaker 5: right teams. I had no idea what I was doing
Speaker 5: goes back to what you're talking about earlier with the consultant.
Speaker 5: I had to find the right team, the right I
Speaker 5: had to find a builder that had enough experience that
Speaker 5: was willing to kind of lend his knowledge and time
Speaker 5: to me. Of course for a fee, you know, I
Speaker 5: had to pay him to be my consultant basically teach
Speaker 5: me how to do the first project.
Speaker 4: But that's what I did. So what's your what's your
Speaker 4: your plans now as far as how many projects are
Speaker 4: you are you working on? Like what's your what's your
Speaker 4: vision look like for the next five years?
Speaker 5: Next five years, I want to finish this project, which
Speaker 5: you're probably finished next year, and I want to continue
Speaker 5: to build the same model in the same neighborhood. I
Speaker 5: kind of want to make this like a real world
Speaker 5: example that can be duplicated in other cities, like we
Speaker 5: can go in, we can buy the land. And I
Speaker 5: didn't mentioned my entire team is from the community too,
Speaker 5: so like my my builders, my real estate brokers, my
Speaker 5: insurance brokers, everybody, the contractors as.
Speaker 4: Well contractors as well. Yeah, yeah, I'm working with a
Speaker 4: black builders.
Speaker 5: So and it's not just anybody's people that got good reputations,
Speaker 5: but we kind of always silo ourselves and.
Speaker 4: We never really collectively work together on stuff.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and the goal and the most important part
Speaker 5: of all of this, whether you're flipping another industry a
Speaker 5: lot of people and it's whole selling or building new construction,
Speaker 5: is ensuring that you put the.
Speaker 4: Product in front of the right end buyer.
Speaker 5: Because if you're flipping, you call yourself buying a block,
Speaker 5: but if you're not watching who you're selling to on
Speaker 5: the back end, you're still gentrifying the neighborhood. So my
Speaker 5: goal is really to educate us on, like I said,
Speaker 5: the working professional on why it's better for you to
Speaker 5: buy over here. So I'm building the first three now,
Speaker 5: got contracts on two of them. Both of them are young,
Speaker 5: young black professionals, basically all in gas professionals. The townhouses, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I got a dentist, a black dennist from Dallas that's looking.
Speaker 4: At buying one, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's all about making sure that we create that
Speaker 5: model because right now, that gentrification narrative is the only
Speaker 5: thing that that's real and for our people, we do
Speaker 5: better when we see examples of something that's actually working.
Speaker 5: And so when this is complete. I want to make
Speaker 5: sure that this model is as much exposed as possible.
Speaker 5: It's not about me making all the money. I want
Speaker 5: people in other cities to do the same thing, you know,
Speaker 5: to say it's possible, we really can't do this.
Speaker 4: And this is the example. How do you evaluate like
Speaker 4: what area you want to I know, you say you
Speaker 4: look at it like the city plans, but do you
Speaker 4: have like a set formula. It's just kind of like
Speaker 4: you just know the area and you just kind of
Speaker 4: have a good feeling because you can't buy in some
Speaker 4: bad neighborhoods and they don't get better, right, So it's like,
Speaker 4: I mean, how do you know like this is this
Speaker 4: is probably going to get better.
Speaker 5: It's all about your network because you got to be
Speaker 5: talking to people in the industry.
Speaker 4: So a lot.
Speaker 5: Of the realtors that I work with they work with builders,
Speaker 5: and you know, you gotta have a network of commercial
Speaker 5: realtors around you too, because they know where the commercial
Speaker 5: developers are looking at, what areas are looking at. So
Speaker 5: it's a lot of it's word of mouth in addition
Speaker 5: to what you see on the city plans, you know,
Speaker 5: But yeah, you gotta have your foot in the door.
Speaker 5: You got to be on the inside, understanding where they're moving,
Speaker 5: and you just kind of ride that wave along with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few years ago you had one of the
Speaker 2: most horrific hurricanes in United States history. What impact have
Speaker 2: you seen since then on the real estate in Houston, Man?
Speaker 5: You know, for it was a period of time where
Speaker 5: the houses in the areas that did not get flooded,
Speaker 5: the values went up tremendously or they were getting bought
Speaker 5: up really really quickly. I didn't see too much of
Speaker 5: a negative impact. The only thing that I did see
Speaker 5: is a shift in ownership where the people that didn't
Speaker 5: have the proper flood insurance who lost their homes.
Speaker 4: Had to become renters for a while. Right.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, the investors who had the
Speaker 5: cash on the table were able to pick up a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of properties for a lot less than what
Speaker 5: the values were. Anything under like two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 5: was still selling as it was rehabbed, but anything above
Speaker 5: that two hundred thousand dollars mark, a lot of it
Speaker 5: sat on the market, a lot of it's still here now.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of out of town investors that
Speaker 5: bought that thought that they could buy these flood houses
Speaker 5: and flip them and sell them really quickly, but the
Speaker 5: people in those price points were not comfortable, you know,
Speaker 5: setting up their homestead.
Speaker 4: Again in an area just flooded like that. So, so
Speaker 4: what is what's your outlook for for for Houston for
Speaker 4: anybody that's interested in and maybe coming in and investing.
Speaker 4: Optimistic for the city, Very optimistic man Houston.
Speaker 5: On the next census, they're gonna announce that Houston is
Speaker 5: now larger than Chicago, So it's gonna be the number three,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: The third largest city.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Houston was least hit by the recession because
Speaker 5: we didn't have the big inflation and home.
Speaker 4: Prices that other markets had.
Speaker 5: When you look at like international investment as far as
Speaker 5: real estate in the United States, Houston is number one,
Speaker 5: whether it's coming from China, Australia, Nigeria, anywhere. Basically they
Speaker 5: invest here because if you're looking at the three or
Speaker 5: four biggest cities, the real estate is still cheaper here,
Speaker 5: like I said, and the economy was not hurt as
Speaker 5: much as the other big markets by the recession, So
Speaker 5: it's the safest bet. Not only that, but you got
Speaker 5: more people moving to Texas every year, and like I said,
Speaker 5: Houston is rapidly growing, so that the real estate outlook
Speaker 5: is strong for this market. I mean, that's two things
Speaker 5: that I believe are kind of the way of the
Speaker 5: future for investments, either tech or it's real estate, because
Speaker 5: no matter how as technology will advance and replace people
Speaker 5: in jobs, but people always have to have a place
Speaker 5: to live, it's never gonna change.
Speaker 4: And I think it's the biggest city land wise, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a lot more room for it to
Speaker 4: be developed. It is.
Speaker 5: It is, And what it is is like as it's
Speaker 5: spreading out and it's consuming all the smaller towns around
Speaker 5: it and they're all merging into one big municipality.
Speaker 2: You think part of that that population increase is due
Speaker 2: to the influx of people who were misplaced after Hurricane.
Speaker 5: Katrina or I mean, we saw a wave of that,
Speaker 5: but I mean a lot of it. No, it's just
Speaker 5: business is just it's just it's attractive. You know, you
Speaker 5: got a lot of people that move from high high
Speaker 5: real estate markets like California.
Speaker 4: They sell their house out here and you know.
Speaker 5: It could be a regular, regular eighteen hundred square foot
Speaker 5: house in California. They sell it for one point two million.
Speaker 5: Come out here and buy a mansion. You know, so
Speaker 5: a lot of people transition down here because just the
Speaker 5: cost of living is cheaper.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sure, so thank you man, thank you, thank you
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Speaker 5: My Instagram is underscore I N V S t R,
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Speaker 5: use my platform to kind of do everything we're talking
Speaker 5: about now, just educate people on entrepreneurship, real estate investing,
Speaker 5: and you know, how to change understanding money and how
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Speaker 4: You know, that's a point, that point, Troy.
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