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Speaker 1: these cases. I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: we want him back on the street as a perpetrator.

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Speaker 1: But at least if it's consistent with how all other

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Speaker 1: of the prisoners are treated, that's a little bit different

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Speaker 1: than if it's an exception for him. I'm not really

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Speaker 1: buying into that. Alexis to as Chuck the timeline. The

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Speaker 1: timeline tell me what led up to him ending up

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Speaker 1: in a federal pen. So for this case, he was

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Speaker 1: sexy with, Oh no, you don't have to limit it

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Speaker 1: to this case. So starting when he was an elected official,

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Speaker 1: when he was a congressman, he sent a picture out

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Speaker 1: to his entire Twitter followers. That's two thousand eleven, a

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Speaker 1: sex picture posted to his entire Twitter page. He then

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Speaker 1: lied about it, He said he didn't do it. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember watching him screaming at CNN reporter Dana Bash

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Speaker 1: saying that that she was being irrational because she was

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Speaker 1: asking him these questions. He was an elected official. People

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Speaker 1: were trying to get an answer about this, and he

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Speaker 1: was screaming at the reporter when he was one guilty

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Speaker 1: and he had done it. He said his account was hacked.

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Speaker 1: He didn't know what was going on, right, Okay, that

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Speaker 1: was And then in June two thousand eleven, he admits

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Speaker 1: to doing it. And then whoa what? In May of

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Speaker 1: the year and a half later, he's campaigning for mayor

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Speaker 1: of New York City and he's actually doing well in

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Speaker 1: the polls. Then what happens? Then he gets caught sexting

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Speaker 1: with a woman named Sydney Leathers. She comes forward and

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Speaker 1: says they have been I actually spoke with her. I

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Speaker 1: think I did the first interview with her, and she

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Speaker 1: told me how she had was surprised that it was him.

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Speaker 1: She didn't know it was him in the beginning and

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Speaker 1: they were just having dirty conversations. Then she realized who

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Speaker 1: it was, including explicit photos. This is why his wife,

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Speaker 1: Huma Aberdeen, whom let me just say it's a very

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Speaker 1: forgiving person, is running around carrying Hillary Clinton's pocketbook. Okay,

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Speaker 1: she's right there with Clinton during all the lead up

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Speaker 1: to the presidential election. Okay, this is her husband. He's

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Speaker 1: at home and some of the photos have his little boy,

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Speaker 1: his baby in the bed with him. His sexting go ahead,

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Speaker 1: so then he moves on. He gets embarrassed on the

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Speaker 1: mayor during the mayoral election. Whoma even gives a speech

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Speaker 1: on his behalf. She has never publicly other than maybe

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Speaker 1: a very flattering Vogue interview, which was all done very

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Speaker 1: much in cooperation with her. She actually gave a speech

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Speaker 1: supporting her husband during his campaign. Comes out and says,

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Speaker 1: we are working on this. It's over. It wasn't over,

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Speaker 1: and he loses the election. Election night, Sydney Leather shows

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Speaker 1: up at his election party, the woman that he's been

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Speaker 1: sexting with, to try to see him. He has to

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Speaker 1: sneak out of the election party, runs through at McDonald's

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Speaker 1: and runs into a car waiting for him. Huma doesn't

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Speaker 1: go with him, she doesn't vote with him. You don't

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Speaker 1: see her anywhere. Completely humiliated, and yes, she is still

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Speaker 1: working for Hillary Clinton. So then he tries to wait.

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Speaker 1: Now September two thirteen, he loses the mayoral primary to

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Speaker 1: de Blasio. All right, two thousand and sixteen, more explicit

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Speaker 1: photos go public, this one has his child in it.

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Speaker 1: Then the Daily Mail does a feature long story short

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Speaker 1: the FBI, the NYPD open an investigation springing from the

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Speaker 1: Daily Mail story. Then Aberdeen files for divorce. That's two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, and here we are right. I mean, did

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Speaker 1: I miss something that he played guilty? He played guilty

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Speaker 1: uh in an federal obscenity charge in teen sexting, and

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Speaker 1: he has to register as a sex offender. And now

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Speaker 1: he's gonna walk out early. I mean, Vincent Hill, if

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Speaker 1: this guy were not a New York representative, or he

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Speaker 1: was a minority, or he was dirt poor, I guarantee

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Speaker 1: you he would not be getting out early, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Nancy more importantly, actually used the word predator. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take it one step further. He's a frequent pedophile. He

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Speaker 1: knew this girl was fifteen. He knew exactly what he

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Speaker 1: was doing. He's a pedophile, and pedophiles need to be

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Speaker 1: locked up. He didn't accidentally send this picture that I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just like saying I accidentally took the picture with

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Speaker 1: my phone. He knew exactly what he was doing of

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Speaker 1: my penis. I accidentally took a picture of my penis.

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Speaker 1: That happened, Vincent, you're the only guy on the battle.

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Speaker 1: How do you accidentally take a picture of your penis.

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Speaker 1: Somebody tell me, I will say this. I've had people

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Speaker 1: women ask me for those types of pictures, and I

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would tell people that if I

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Speaker 1: were you. It's true because people ask for those and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no way, because that is my brand and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to end up behind bars in a

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Speaker 1: few years. I'm very proud of you, Vincent, for turning

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Speaker 1: down that accidental penis photo. But I gotta ask. I'm

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Speaker 1: dying to get to you, but I've got to just

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Speaker 1: bring up one last thing to Dr Bethany. Does the

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Speaker 1: name Carlos Danger ring a bell? That was his screen name.

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Speaker 1: He chose the name Carlos Danger. I mean that should

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Speaker 1: be a felowy in itself ouch in terms of him

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Speaker 1: getting out to he is so compulsive. This is what

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about. I don't think he'll be able to stop.

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Speaker 1: I do treat um sex addicts in my practice, and

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Speaker 1: there is a certain subgroup that is so compulsive UM.

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Speaker 1: What I often say is that they want to keep

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Speaker 1: themselves in a sensory bath. Whether they have this constant erection.

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Speaker 1: They're constantly looking at pornography, They're constantly pushing the envelope,

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Speaker 1: and they don't know how to live any other way.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what all this good behavior is

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Speaker 1: behind bars because it doesn't stack up to how I

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Speaker 1: know these perpetrators operate in the world. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, a sensory bath. But Ashley Wilcott,

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Speaker 1: I know this. Somebody sends pictures like that and texts

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Speaker 1: like that to my daughter or son. You know what,

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Speaker 1: they better watch out because I'm coming after them. Guns

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Speaker 1: a blazing me too, a dent Katie bar the doors.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that really bothers me about this is

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Speaker 1: the victim that you just played tape of regrets right,

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Speaker 1: every things changed. Everybody at school knows it was her.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I really hate is you need and

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Speaker 1: want and pray that your children, God forbid, they get

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Speaker 1: a picture like this, tell you so you can handle

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Speaker 1: it and make sure that person pays for it. And

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Speaker 1: and here this victim saying, Wow, the consequences are too

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Speaker 1: great for me. I wish that I hadn't done it

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Speaker 1: almost That's what makes me sad. We've got to encourage

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Speaker 1: kids to come forward because it's it should never happen.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends Inside edition with the

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Speaker 1: Twin Girl. Do you think the disgraced former Congressman Anthony

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Speaker 1: Weiner broke down and sobbed as he was sentenced to

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Speaker 1: twenty one months in federal prison. Weener fled guilty to

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Speaker 1: sexting with this fifteen year old high school girl. He

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Speaker 1: sent her obscene messages on social media, along with photos

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Speaker 1: showing him bare chested and even a photo holding his son,

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Speaker 1: Jordan's And in this Inside Edition exclusive, the victim isn't

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Speaker 1: pulling any punches. How would you describe his behavior? A.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a very, very sick person that needs held.

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Speaker 1: You know, again, this is not about Clinton, This is

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Speaker 1: not about Trump. This is not about politics only to

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Speaker 1: the extent that I firmly believe if he had not

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Speaker 1: been a New York State representative, he would still be

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Speaker 1: behind bars and would not have gotten preferential treatment. But

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Speaker 1: the bombshell is former New York Rep. Anthony Weiner will

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Speaker 1: be released early from a federal prison. So to you,

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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, what does that tell all the sex

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Speaker 1: victims out there? It tells them that their pain does

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Speaker 1: not matter. It tells them that men are at a

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Speaker 1: more elevated status than women, and that women are not

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Speaker 1: regarded in our society, and it discourages them from coming forward.

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Speaker 1: Another thing I don't understand is how someone that has

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Speaker 1: so much going for them. I mean, he was a

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Speaker 1: superstar uh in the Democratic Party. He had won several

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Speaker 1: terms in the U. S. House of Representative by huge margins.

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Speaker 1: But then he got outed for messages via Twitter and

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Speaker 1: it seems like he could have done anything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was married to a chief the chief aid to

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. He was planning to run from mayor of

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Speaker 1: New York City, I mean, Dr bethany how can you

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Speaker 1: risk all that? I mean, I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: speed to run a red light? Uh? And and somehow

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Speaker 1: about on my record to have to tell the twins

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Speaker 1: about well, the risk taking is part of the perversion.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the thrill I think is getting away

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Speaker 1: with things behind other people's back. Also, Dancy, this is

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Speaker 1: what a personality disorder looks like. A personality disorder is

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Speaker 1: when a person has psychological traits that are maladaptive for

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Speaker 1: relating to other people, but these traits persist over time

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Speaker 1: despite negative can sequences. Negative consequences are coming to him

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Speaker 1: again and again, but there is lack of a learning curve,

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Speaker 1: which is why I'm very concerned that he's being released early.

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Speaker 1: And one final thing is he doesn't seem to really

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Speaker 1: care about the impact of his behaviors on the people

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Speaker 1: around him. He did that documentary, he put cameras in

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Speaker 1: his house, He sex to a fifteen year old. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine if he was in public office, what kinds

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Speaker 1: of decisions he might make on all of our behalf?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's frightening to think about. Is everybody sitting down,

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Speaker 1: Alexis Vincent? Actually Dr Bethany's sitting there. You better lay

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Speaker 1: down for this one. Is it true as a two

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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen report true that whom Aberdeen and Anthony Wayner

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Speaker 1: have withdrawn their divorce petition? Alexis, please tell me this

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Speaker 1: is not true. I believe it is true. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: let me understand this. She is going to stick with

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Speaker 1: her sexoholic husband, and she has for all these year.

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Speaker 1: This is this is ten years now at this point,

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Speaker 1: through multiple embarrassments, she is sticking with her. Now. I've

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Speaker 1: also heard they're trying to settle the divorce out of court.

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Speaker 1: Could that be a possibility. What does that mean, Ashley Wilcot.

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Speaker 1: That could be that they're trying to settle out of court.

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Speaker 1: But there's no reason you have to actually dismiss your

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Speaker 1: petition in order to do that and have a resolution.

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Speaker 1: I fear she's dismissed this, this lawsuit for divorce because

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Speaker 1: she's changed her mind. Maybe they're trying to keep the

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Speaker 1: details of their split secret by mediating it out of court.

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Speaker 1: But I think she's right. You don't have to totally

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Speaker 1: withdraw your divorce petition in order to do that. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll just see what these two crazy kids decide to do.

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Speaker 1: But what I know now is that if you're rich

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Speaker 1: and powerful, you get less time in jail. I don't

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Speaker 1: like it. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, goodbye friend,