Speaker 1: I got Rolling Martin on his show wearing a cowboy
Speaker 1: hat to troll and ultimately excoriate me with a bunch
Speaker 1: of panelists I've.
Speaker 2: Never seen in my damn life.
Speaker 1: And I got other people reaching out trying to get
Speaker 1: at me because I have the audacity not to be
Speaker 1: celebrating a cold blooded murderer. These are the damn times
Speaker 1: that we're living in you hear me, America. Luckily your boy, Stephen,
Speaker 1: they ain't interested in running. You know what time it is.
Speaker 2: Let's go. What's up? Everybody?
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Speaker 1: politics and social media, where many of you I have
Speaker 1: taken issue with my takes on the political headlines, I
Speaker 1: want to say for the record, that's fair.
Speaker 2: I accept it, and.
Speaker 1: It often comes with being a pundit in this business.
Speaker 1: I've accepted that a long time ago. With that being said,
Speaker 1: I want to address some recent comments from my friend
Speaker 1: Roland Martin, who took issue with my thoughts this past
Speaker 1: weekend on a Justice Department's report on.
Speaker 2: The January sixth Capitol riots in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: In summary, I made the connection that Donald Trump appeared
Speaker 1: to be right to some degree when it came to
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories about the FBI's involvement on that day.
Speaker 2: At least that's how some took it.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what Roland Martin had to say Monday about
Speaker 1: my comments on his show, Roland Martin Unfiltered.
Speaker 2: Take a listen.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what the hell steven A was
Speaker 3: just talking about I know stephen A, I respect stephen A.
Speaker 3: Stephen A, you know sports on this, you know what
Speaker 3: the hell you're talking about? Like, I literally have no
Speaker 3: idea what the hell he was talking about there. How
Speaker 3: he's pissed off, and the Democrats and.
Speaker 4: Trump said stuff was rigged, and y'all.
Speaker 3: Madline is running that clip everywhere. Oh they are saying,
Speaker 3: oh see even steven the truth, the truth.
Speaker 2: They all knowing the truth.
Speaker 3: Go my pad.
Speaker 4: Associated Press Fact Focus Inspector General's January sixth report misrepresented
Speaker 4: as proof of FBI set up. The basis of what
Speaker 4: the right has been.
Speaker 2: Saying is that.
Speaker 3: January sixth was fine, it was great, it was wonderful.
Speaker 5: But the FBI, it was a setup. The FBI, they
Speaker 5: were behind the whole deal. They were were agents. Now,
Speaker 5: they were the ones who was starting stuff. That's the report.
Speaker 5: And so when stephen A is.
Speaker 3: Going on and all they they said here making Trump
Speaker 3: out to be true.
Speaker 2: No, he lied, he lied a couple of things.
Speaker 1: First off, of Roland Martin, nice touch with the cowboy hat.
Speaker 2: You should wear often. It's fitting of you. You are
Speaker 2: from Texas, after all, you're a Texans fan.
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, so it's more appropos that you
Speaker 1: put on that had even more so than I do.
Speaker 1: So good look there, but nice try ain't gonna work
Speaker 1: this way. Before I get into it any further, let
Speaker 1: me show my audience exactly what Roland Martin was replying
Speaker 1: to when he said I didn't know what the hell I.
Speaker 2: Was talking about.
Speaker 1: This is what he was responding to that had him
Speaker 1: all up in a tizzy.
Speaker 2: Take a listen. The news comes amissed a bombshell report from.
Speaker 1: The Justice Department that revealed the FBI had at least
Speaker 1: twenty six confidential informants on the ground when the capital
Speaker 1: was stormed on January sixth, twenty twenty one. The report
Speaker 1: says most of the informants engaged in illegal activity during
Speaker 1: the chaos.
Speaker 2: The Justice Department says.
Speaker 1: Only three of its twenty six informants present had been
Speaker 1: instructed to observe potential domestic terrorist suspects on the day
Speaker 1: of the riot. The rest of the twenty three appeared
Speaker 1: to have gone to the Capitol on their own a call.
Speaker 2: Upon hearing news of the report, Vice President elect JD.
Speaker 1: Vance posted the following on X quote for those keeping
Speaker 1: score at home. This was labeled a dangerous conspiracy thirty
Speaker 1: months ago end quote. Didn't hear anything about that for
Speaker 1: the election, didn't hear anything about that when the quote
Speaker 1: unquote insurrection was broached by Vice President Kamala Harris as
Speaker 1: a Democratic nominee, the belief that Donald Trump was a
Speaker 1: danger to democracy and using this as a profound, illuminating
Speaker 1: bullet point.
Speaker 2: To make that case.
Speaker 1: And now here we are yet again finding even more
Speaker 1: evidence to Donald Trump's claims when he articulated that process
Speaker 1: is rigged. My big issue is that I'm really, really
Speaker 1: sick and tired of every time I turn around finding
Speaker 1: something else that the Democrats have lied about or downplayed
Speaker 1: or missed to represented along the way. I mean, I
Speaker 1: see Republicans like Megan Kelly or Officer Tatum or a
Speaker 1: Canvas Owens, or you know, the showing Hannities of the
Speaker 1: world that you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm getting tired of. I'm getting you know what
Speaker 2: I'm getting.
Speaker 6: To the Democratic Party, you know what I'm getting really
Speaker 6: pissed off about.
Speaker 2: I'm getting really ticked off.
Speaker 6: And every time they open their mouth about something pertaining
Speaker 6: to y'all, they seem right to make the.
Speaker 1: Case that the right had a monopoly on insidious, evil tendencies,
Speaker 1: corrupt tendencies, duplicitous, hypocritical, untruthful tendencies, and every time they
Speaker 1: made those accusations, we turn around and find out that
Speaker 1: at least some of them are guilty of the same.
Speaker 1: I don't know about y'all, but I'm sick of all
Speaker 1: of it. I'm sick of all of it. Dave actually
Speaker 1: made Donald Trump look like he was right instead of them.
Speaker 1: That is what Roland Martin is responding to. That is
Speaker 1: what he is saying. He doesn't understand what the hell
Speaker 1: I'm talking about and what I'm saying when he brings
Speaker 1: that up. First of all, let me say this about
Speaker 1: Roland Martin. Not hang out buddies or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But we are friends. He's a guest on this show.
Speaker 1: Anytime I ask him to I respect his knowledge, and
Speaker 1: he is absolutely right. This is his lane, not mine.
Speaker 1: Sports is my thing. This is what he does. I
Speaker 1: get that, but I am allowed to be an expert
Speaker 1: on what the hell comes out of my mouth and
Speaker 1: what I believe I said.
Speaker 2: And that is why I clap back respectfully at my man,
Speaker 2: rolling Martin, not his panelists.
Speaker 1: Chirping and mimicking and laughing and giggling in the sideline,
Speaker 1: like anybody know who the hell they are. I ain't
Speaker 1: talking about them, that's a waste of my time. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about my brother. Rolling Martin here. When you say
Speaker 1: you don't understand or you don't know what the hell
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, and you have a panel to piggyback
Speaker 1: and parrot every syllable you uttered, well, why are you
Speaker 1: doing it?
Speaker 2: If you didn't understand what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Why am I getting attacked if you don't he don't
Speaker 1: understand what I was saying, If it's convoluted, why not
Speaker 1: ask me to come on and clarify. Why not talk
Speaker 1: to me and say what exactly is it that you're
Speaker 1: trying to say.
Speaker 2: That is not what Roland Martin did, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: What he did instead was marry my thoughts to these
Speaker 1: extreme conspiracy theories that the MAGA Wright might have put
Speaker 1: out there about the FBI having some pivotal role in
Speaker 1: what transpired on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: That's what he was doing.
Speaker 1: Look at this right here, Look at this report from
Speaker 1: the DOJ. It reads confusion and lack of coordination contributed
Speaker 1: to the FBI's inaccurate report to Congress that had canvas
Speaker 1: field offices after January sixth. The FBI reported to Congress
Speaker 1: that it had directed its field offices prior to January
Speaker 1: sixth to canvas their CHSS for information concerning threats and
Speaker 1: connection with the January sixth electoral certification.
Speaker 2: However, as noted, we found that.
Speaker 1: No canvassing a field offices for source information had occurred.
Speaker 2: We found that the FBI statements.
Speaker 1: The Congress were not intentionally inaccurate, and that confusion and
Speaker 1: lack of coordinator communications contributed to the inaccurate reporting.
Speaker 2: Why do I bring that up?
Speaker 1: It doesn't convict the FBI. It doesn't authenticate or validate
Speaker 1: assertions from the MAGA right that somehow the FBI was
Speaker 1: corrupt and they manipulated the proceedings to invoke or provoke
Speaker 1: violence at the US Capitol that ultimately would be blamed
Speaker 1: on Donald Trump. That's not what I was saying. What
Speaker 1: I was saying is why the hell are we hearing
Speaker 1: about this now? We took the report so damn long.
Speaker 1: How come we didn't hear about this before the election?
Speaker 1: And is it possible that the reason why we didn't
Speaker 1: hear about it before the election is because folks on
Speaker 1: the left wanted to marry January sixth, completely and totally
Speaker 1: and utterly to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Is that clear enough.
Speaker 1: That y'all got people chirping, and you said you got
Speaker 1: people chirping in your studio, Let me chirp to people
Speaker 1: in my studio, Brandon, Is that clear enough?
Speaker 2: Is that clear enough?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: I think it is. But let me go a step further.
Speaker 1: I'm a registered independent. The people aren't rolling Martin unfiltered,
Speaker 1: by the way, watch that the brother's brilliant. I got
Speaker 1: love for him, got over a million and a half subscribers.
Speaker 1: Ain't trying dissuade anybody from watching my man rolling Martin,
Speaker 1: because I'll watch them. What I'm saying is these people
Speaker 1: that were behind the scenes before they came on as
Speaker 1: your panelists. I recall one person saying I even need
Speaker 1: to know what the hell I'm talking about or admit
Speaker 1: that I'm one hundred percent mega, I got news for you.
Speaker 2: I'm neither.
Speaker 1: I don't completely know all the intricate details, nor am
Speaker 1: I mega registering in dependent who voted for Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: oh By the way they tried to sit up there
Speaker 1: and say, I didn't vote.
Speaker 2: For Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I thought y'all were about facts. I did
Speaker 1: vote for her. I had my issues, I have my reservations,
Speaker 1: but I was unapologetic about who I was voting for,
Speaker 1: and I was very transparent about it.
Speaker 2: Where's your facts?
Speaker 1: So you get to engage in innuendo express frustration, but
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: Why not every time we turn around?
Speaker 1: All I was trying to say is that something repeatedly comes.
Speaker 2: Up that gives the right fadder to say.
Speaker 1: See look what they did when President Joe Biden decided
Speaker 1: to pardon his son Hunter. He's got no problems with that,
Speaker 1: but I did have a problem with them lying about
Speaker 1: it for months, saying, we're about the rule of law,
Speaker 1: We're about the rule of law. We're about the rule
Speaker 1: of law. He said, he's knocking to pardon Hunter. It's
Speaker 1: about the rule of lord, the rule of law, and
Speaker 1: rule of law. And then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: parties them, and you hear crickets. So here come to
Speaker 1: write again. See, see they're lying. I've often joked about
Speaker 1: people like Sean Hannedy and other conservatives that I know
Speaker 1: that if you are a Republican and you shot somebody
Speaker 1: in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue in New York City,
Speaker 1: the first words that would come out of their mouth
Speaker 1: is the Democrats did it first, because their real salty position.
Speaker 2: It's not about acting like they're holier than now. It's
Speaker 2: about the.
Speaker 1: Democrats always acting like they're on a higher moral ground
Speaker 1: and they're above board. When one evidence, neuggative evidence after
Speaker 1: another always comes forth showing us they're not. That is
Speaker 1: frustrating for somebody who doesn't know all the facts, that
Speaker 1: intricate details and studies this night and day, Like Roland Martin,
Speaker 1: everybody's industry or chosen profession isn't following what's happening on
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2: And everything associated with it.
Speaker 1: People working nine to fives, taking care of families, getting
Speaker 1: stuck in traffic for two hours a day, preoccupy with
Speaker 1: an abundance of other things, relying on others to give
Speaker 1: them information, but also frustrated that everybody's got to spend
Speaker 1: That's all I was saying. I didn't take a definitive
Speaker 1: position against anybody into perpetuity. I'm simply making the point
Speaker 1: that it gets frustrating to see little nuggets of intel
Speaker 1: always leaking out, usually after the fact, incriminating one side
Speaker 1: or the other all the damn time, and Roland Lamar
Speaker 1: will come up with his and he'll spew them out
Speaker 1: for the world to know.
Speaker 2: That doesn't erase the perception and roll them on.
Speaker 1: You notice better than me, Bruh. Perceptions provoke people's attitude
Speaker 1: while they walk to the polls, even more so than
Speaker 1: the facts. It's not that the facts don't matter, but
Speaker 1: that they always seem so debatable. Ultimately, it comes back
Speaker 1: to how you feel.
Speaker 2: Am I clear enough being? Am I convoluted? Now?
Speaker 1: Fellas ladies, I'm a frustrated voter. I watched the Democrats
Speaker 1: get their ass kicked. I watched them in the aftermath
Speaker 1: of the election literally.
Speaker 2: Say well, Trump really didn't win the popular vote. I mean,
Speaker 2: he didn't get fifty percent of the vote. Who cares
Speaker 2: he wanted popular vote, He.
Speaker 1: Won the electoral college vote, he won all the swing states,
Speaker 1: he increased it practically every demographic and you got people
Speaker 1: coming on the airways, well, it really wasn't a referendum
Speaker 1: against the Democratic Party, because you know what, he didn't
Speaker 1: get fifty percent of the vote. He didn't get fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the popular vote. Really, they got the White House,
Speaker 1: the House, in the Senate. I was speaking Macro, I
Speaker 1: was just saying, hey, yet another thing that they can
Speaker 1: point to to stake some claim to how they've been
Speaker 1: victimized by the hands of the left.
Speaker 2: Are they probably lying some of the help?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, But what are the Democrats doing? The Democrats for
Speaker 1: the working class? That for the working class, they were
Speaker 1: for the working class, or the working class doesn't feel
Speaker 1: that way. Then after the election, we're hearing some Democrats
Speaker 1: go out there and they're talking about how too many
Speaker 1: people in the party are about catering.
Speaker 2: To the elite.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what they were accusing the Republicans are doing.
Speaker 1: You see how confusing it gets. Not for you rolling,
Speaker 1: You might know what about your million and a half subscribers,
Speaker 1: They know what about your boys, They know what about
Speaker 1: people that walk through the streets throughout America because you
Speaker 1: rolling around all over the damn place.
Speaker 2: They know.
Speaker 1: If they know so much rolling, why were you determined
Speaker 1: for Trump's lies not to be heard? If they know
Speaker 1: so much rolling because they listen to you, Why were
Speaker 1: you so fixated on standing right there in the audience,
Speaker 1: and whenever Trump spoke, you came on this show and
Speaker 1: you said you were gonna stand up and scream lies
Speaker 1: if they know because they listening to you and other
Speaker 1: folks who think like you and know what you know
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't have to worry about doing that because
Speaker 1: they would have consumed your message and they would know
Speaker 1: he's lying, wouldn't they You know better, and you know
Speaker 1: that most people are frustrated citizens who vote, who are
Speaker 1: mindful of the times that we're living in and want finite,
Speaker 1: definitive evidence about which side is right and which side
Speaker 1: is wrong with no convolution.
Speaker 2: In the equation.
Speaker 1: And when reports like the DOJ comes out talking about
Speaker 1: the FBI on January sixth and passing words like they
Speaker 1: weren't intentionally inaccurate, Well, why the hell had.
Speaker 2: The word intentionally?
Speaker 1: You were inaccurate or you were inaccurate?
Speaker 2: Where the hell intentional comes from.
Speaker 6: That's a perception, that's an opinion, that's not a fact.
Speaker 6: That's a report that said they weren't intentionally inaccurate.
Speaker 1: How can you prove somebody wasn't intentionally inaccurate?
Speaker 2: That is a thought. It's just me.
Speaker 1: I know, you know what you're talking about in politics,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about in sports.
Speaker 2: I just thought that as.
Speaker 1: Too common sense people we could relate to one another
Speaker 1: feeling frustrated on either side, see you all the way laughed.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I'm center. I see bullshit on both sides.
Speaker 2: I know you do too better than me.
Speaker 1: The difference is you care a lot more about one side.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about either. I just want
Speaker 1: as close to the truth as I can get to
Speaker 1: elevate my level of understanding. I am sorry Roland Martin
Speaker 1: if that was such a bad thing that would get
Speaker 1: you so riled up that not only did you have
Speaker 1: to come at me, you had.
Speaker 2: To throw on the cowboy had to do it. But
Speaker 2: I liked seeing it on you, broh. It looked good
Speaker 2: on you your panel.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. That's all I got to
Speaker 1: say about that. I hope I provided some clarity. I
Speaker 1: was just frustrated at the right having something in their
Speaker 1: mind to point to the left about again and the
Speaker 1: left seemingly slipping up and providing their ammunition because of
Speaker 1: the timing of the report coming out and whatever potential
Speaker 1: role they may or may not have played. I just
Speaker 1: thought it added fadder to a side that is already
Speaker 1: kicking the lefts behind right now, That's all I wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to be specific.
Speaker 2: I was just expressing frustration.
Speaker 1: As a conscientious observer, not the next word, like you, bro,
Speaker 1: I know my lane coming up.
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winning Travis.
Speaker 1: Hunter and his girlfriend are making headlines defending their relationship
Speaker 1: to the public.
Speaker 2: On social media.
Speaker 1: I got a few thoughts on that, but first, someone
Speaker 1: wants to get at me about my take that people
Speaker 1: celebrating the murder of the United Healthcare CEO is despicable.
Speaker 1: The one that only Torrey joins the show that snackt
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Speaker 1: charges quarterback Justin Herbert going up against the Broncos defense.
Speaker 1: More or less than two hundred and thirty one and
Speaker 1: a half passing yards easily, I'm going with more.
Speaker 2: This is Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Now, they stunk up the joint last week, okay, got
Speaker 1: the ass kicked.
Speaker 2: That was pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I don't expect that to happen two weeks in the
Speaker 1: row to Justin Herbert. I think he's gonna throw for
Speaker 1: more than two hundred and thirty one and a half yards.
Speaker 2: We're going with more on this one, all right.
Speaker 1: Next up, Broncos signal caller bow Knicks more or less
Speaker 1: than two hundred and twenty three and a half passing yards.
Speaker 2: You see the way this kid's been playing. You see
Speaker 2: the way the Denver Broncos have been playing.
Speaker 1: You see the job that Sean Payton has done, pushing
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson out the door, having a rookie and both
Speaker 1: Knicks playing the way that he's playing.
Speaker 2: You damn right, I'm going with more.
Speaker 1: Bow Knicks could play, okay, and he's showing he can play,
Speaker 1: and obviously with Sean Payton as his coach, they're gonna
Speaker 1: go a long way eventually. I believe I like bow
Speaker 1: Knicks a lot. I'm going with more on this one.
Speaker 1: Next up, we have Broncos wide out Courtland Sutton going
Speaker 1: up against the charge of secondary more or less than
Speaker 1: sixty three and a half receiving yards because bow Knicks
Speaker 1: is gonna throw the football, obviously, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: primary talking of him. I'm definitely going with more with
Speaker 1: Courtland said it on this question. And finally, Chargers receiver
Speaker 1: Quinton Johnston facing the Broncos defense more or less than
Speaker 1: foreign forty one and a half receiving yards. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: be too much to ask for Justin Herbert to get
Speaker 1: the ball to Quintin Johnston for more than forty one
Speaker 1: and a half yards.
Speaker 2: I'm going with more on this as well.
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Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, mo Bo.
Speaker 2: Nicks more, more and more and more and more poor.
Speaker 2: That's what we like to do, is prospects. Why because
Speaker 2: we're looking to put more in your pocket. Welcome back
Speaker 2: to stephen A. S Fifshow.
Speaker 1: My next guest is a veteran music and pop culture
Speaker 1: journalist who hosts the popular Torrey Show.
Speaker 2: He's back to discuss the.
Speaker 1: Case of Luigi Mangioni, the alleged killer of United Healthcare
Speaker 1: CEO Brian Thompson. We're also gonna touch on Sean Diddy
Speaker 1: Combs just the second as well.
Speaker 2: You know how that involves, whether or not that involves
Speaker 2: rapper jay Z.
Speaker 1: We'll get into all of that. The one and only
Speaker 1: Tor Ray is here with me right now. What's going on, man?
Speaker 2: How are you? How's everything?
Speaker 7: I'm good?
Speaker 8: Tell him about my show Rap Latte on YouTube. We
Speaker 8: talk about hip hop every day. We keep it real
Speaker 8: Rap Latte.
Speaker 2: I mean that's right, every day, right? Is it five
Speaker 2: days week?
Speaker 8: Well, we're gonna we're ramping up to five days week,
Speaker 8: but we're we're on like four days now. But it's it's,
Speaker 8: you know, keep business doing it out here.
Speaker 2: That's right. You deserve it, You deserve it.
Speaker 1: But but that's not what you're here to talk about today.
Speaker 1: Because I'm here thinking there's a lot of things you
Speaker 1: could have talked to me about. I couldn't believe when
Speaker 1: my staff reached out to me and said Tore wants
Speaker 1: to come back on the show, because I had the audacity,
Speaker 1: to unmitigated goal to call this good. Luigi Mangioni, I said,
Speaker 1: if that is him, he is guilty of cold blooded murder,
Speaker 1: shooting Brian Thompson, the former CEO of United Healthcare, I
Speaker 1: mean shooting him in the back, murdering him. This is
Speaker 1: not somebody that should be celebrated. And I'm hearing for
Speaker 1: that reason, Torrey wanted to come on the show.
Speaker 2: And talk to me about it. What could their possibility
Speaker 2: I talk about?
Speaker 8: I felt like you were kind of scolding us the
Speaker 8: masses for seeing value in Luigi and what he did.
Speaker 8: I felt like, not only you, but there was a
Speaker 8: lot of high level media people, Chris Cuomo, actually Banfield,
Speaker 8: Sarah Haynes in the view.
Speaker 7: I could go on and on, Gail.
Speaker 8: King, who were scolding us, saying we should not root
Speaker 8: for this person, we should not respect this person.
Speaker 7: He's, like you already, thin, old blooded murderer.
Speaker 2: He's a cold blood is he not.
Speaker 8: I think that that is accurate, But I also think
Speaker 8: that we have to We cannot have a conversation about
Speaker 8: Luigi without talking about what Brian Thompson and United health
Speaker 8: Hair kept doing and the murder's pluralle that they have
Speaker 8: been responsible for for many, many years.
Speaker 7: And I'm not even talk about the uninsured.
Speaker 8: I'm talking about the insured who they turn their back on,
Speaker 8: they betray and I also deny claims from a third
Speaker 8: of their of their claims.
Speaker 7: Right, So you're talking about.
Speaker 8: People who are getting who need life saving help, and
Speaker 8: United health Care is not there for them, saying like, well,
Speaker 8: you know that person has cancer. We don't give them help,
Speaker 8: They're gonna die and then we won't have to pay
Speaker 8: their bills. This is a large part of how they
Speaker 8: make their money. So we cannot have any conversation about
Speaker 8: Luigi unless we're also talking about the thousands and thousands
Speaker 8: of deaths that Brian and United Healthcare are on the
Speaker 8: hook for. So now, from that perspective, things are a
Speaker 8: lot different. Right, It's not just one person committed cold
Speaker 8: blooded murder, which he did. He laid, he laid in
Speaker 8: wait for him, he decided to kill. And be clear,
Speaker 8: I mean it's a political murder, right, He's trying to
Speaker 8: make a political statement about this company harmful.
Speaker 7: Come on to our American.
Speaker 2: Got to be Are you gonna really say that? Listen? Listen.
Speaker 2: First of all, let me say this. I saw D. L.
Speaker 1: Hughley on social media talking about this, and I took
Speaker 1: it and I reposted it because I wanted everybody to
Speaker 1: see what he had to say.
Speaker 2: Under no circumstances.
Speaker 1: Am I absolving any healthcare CEO who has engaged.
Speaker 2: In such practices?
Speaker 1: Of they all have, which they That's that's where I
Speaker 1: was going with this. They all have because we live
Speaker 1: in a capitalistic society and people trying to get as
Speaker 1: much money as they can, so they're trying to get
Speaker 1: as much as your money and give you the least
Speaker 1: in return. We lament that with every practically every business
Speaker 1: right now. I think that's I don't think anybody. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody.
Speaker 7: Would a different.
Speaker 8: But it's different when Coca Cola is watering down the
Speaker 8: Coca Cola a little bit to give you ninety five
Speaker 8: percent Coca Cola instead of one hundred, versus a healthcare
Speaker 8: company say we're going to deny your claims so that
Speaker 8: we can make more money.
Speaker 2: I talked, I totally, but listen to what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: But my point to you is this, this was some
Speaker 1: middle class dude or or well to do who wasn't
Speaker 1: from who wasn't some impoveraged dude, some member of a
Speaker 1: disadvantized community.
Speaker 9: Matter.
Speaker 1: Here, My point here my point, and then I'll give
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to respond. My point is he wasn't
Speaker 1: that dude. So when he's speaking to such things, we
Speaker 1: don't know how much.
Speaker 2: How close he is to a situation like this. How
Speaker 2: does this hit him home.
Speaker 1: I'm saying there are some people out there who just
Speaker 1: want to murder and find any excuse that they could
Speaker 1: get away with Torrey to do it.
Speaker 2: That's the point that.
Speaker 8: A mad do you do you do you think that
Speaker 8: white people had no place during slavery to be abolitionists
Speaker 8: even though they were not slaves?
Speaker 7: Of course not.
Speaker 8: Do you think that men don't have a place to
Speaker 8: argue for women to have the right to choose what
Speaker 8: they do with their bodies.
Speaker 7: Of course you.
Speaker 8: Don't have to be you don't have to be specifically
Speaker 8: within the group to fight for the political rights of that.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that to say that, I'm saying.
Speaker 8: You Uiji came from money, so he can't have no
Speaker 8: We have no idea what he went through. His back
Speaker 8: surgery and his back issues were clearly a very deep
Speaker 8: part of his identity. He had a photograph of his
Speaker 8: X ray of his back on his Instagram page. Right right,
Speaker 8: that's one of his bio photographs. So that is clearly
Speaker 8: a huge part of his identity and how he sees himself.
Speaker 8: He went through an insane personal situation that we don't
Speaker 8: even know the depths of with his back and his
Speaker 8: back surgery and clearly dealing with insurance companies as part
Speaker 8: of this. This is a class warfare issue, but it's
Speaker 8: not the rich against the poor. It's the people against
Speaker 8: the corporations that damage our lives.
Speaker 7: And even though even though.
Speaker 8: He has money, he still is dealing with a situation
Speaker 8: from the healthcare people that he's so enraged that he
Speaker 8: does something. Most of us look at that and say,
Speaker 8: I wouldn't have done it, but I understand, and that's
Speaker 8: the core of the issue. He is but a player
Speaker 8: in this. When you see the country respond and supportively
Speaker 8: to what he did, what we have to say is
Speaker 8: not you shouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 7: But why does everyone agree with what he did?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 7: Time out?
Speaker 2: Time out?
Speaker 1: First of all, forty one percent, ain't everybody that's number one?
Speaker 2: Number two?
Speaker 8: No, that's forty one. Now, that's forty one percent of
Speaker 8: under thirty thirty. Okay, that's forty one percent.
Speaker 1: You're right, forty one tremendous agreement totally set total seventeen
Speaker 1: percent forty one percent under the age of thirty thirty
Speaker 1: to thirty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeard that wipply for twenty not seventeen.
Speaker 7: It's not seventeen. I'll tell you that right now. In
Speaker 7: the real world, it's not seventeen percent.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what they put out there. That's what they
Speaker 1: put out there. But I got it. Just for the
Speaker 1: purposes of this discussion, we'll go with that for the moment.
Speaker 1: All I'm trying to say to you is this, I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with your preverments.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm for.
Speaker 1: That, But in the same breath, what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: considering the time, in the visit of times that we
Speaker 1: live in, you don't think it's dangerous for people to
Speaker 1: be out there applauding somebody being murdered. Now, I understand
Speaker 1: that you're saying that they're not necessarily applauding. That is
Speaker 1: the system taking advantage of the little guy, your health
Speaker 1: insurance agency, your corporate America, and you're abusing the American citizen.
Speaker 2: I got that part. Shit, I'm one of them. My
Speaker 2: point to you.
Speaker 1: Is this, I still can't sit up there when I
Speaker 1: see a man get shot in the back, gunned down
Speaker 1: and gunned down in the streets, shot in the back, murdered,
Speaker 1: wife's a widower, children, no longer a father.
Speaker 2: And think that that's a course for celebration.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is there not something to be concerned about
Speaker 1: that in our society?
Speaker 8: I think that you are not yet understanding the moral
Speaker 8: stakes that were actually seeing. Let's say you saw somebody
Speaker 8: murder a serial killer. Would you say, oh my god,
Speaker 8: he was a son and a father. No, no, you'd say,
Speaker 8: thank god, somebody took.
Speaker 7: Him off the earth.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 8: There is no serial killer that you could name who
Speaker 8: is responsible for more deaths than United Healthcare. So now
Speaker 8: Luigi took it on himself to bring pain to the
Speaker 8: head of United Healthcare because he saw them as serial killers.
Speaker 8: And if you see them as legalized serial killers they
Speaker 8: are allowed to betray their customers to make a buck, well,
Speaker 8: then the moral stakes are completely different. He didn't just
Speaker 8: murder a person walking down the street. He murdered the
Speaker 8: tip of the spear to send a message to the
Speaker 8: entire industry.
Speaker 2: And so you're okay with that.
Speaker 1: What if the mindset is that's just the first one.
Speaker 1: What about the people that had, you know, posts out
Speaker 1: there with the faces and names of other healthcare CEOs
Speaker 1: and they had Brian Thompson's face on there with an
Speaker 1: X over it, like one down and these others to go?
Speaker 2: Is that okay?
Speaker 8: What's not okay is for the conversation to become about
Speaker 8: the rage that we have towards CEOs as if that
Speaker 8: is the central part of the conversation. The central part
Speaker 8: of the conversation is how the healthcare industry is allowed
Speaker 8: to betray its customers and allow them to die and
Speaker 8: be in pain and be sick so that they can
Speaker 8: make a buck. We need far greater regulation on the
Speaker 8: health health care system. That is the core issue in
Speaker 8: this conversation, and if we miss that, then we miss
Speaker 8: an opportunity to make change in an incredibly important industry
Speaker 8: in our country.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, let me say this, I completely
Speaker 1: agree with you. That's an issue that we shouldn't miss.
Speaker 2: I'm not arguing with that.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the danger that exists from the
Speaker 1: other side. Because listen, healthcare is one issue.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of.
Speaker 1: Things that we can look at in the system that
Speaker 1: exists within the United States, where regulations need to be
Speaker 1: altered to some degree, things need to be addressed. The
Speaker 1: system continuously takes advantage of the American citizen, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. There's an abundance of things that we can
Speaker 1: look at. But I answer to it, if it's going
Speaker 1: to be violence, and that's okay, what kind of society
Speaker 1: is Let's say that. Does it say that we have
Speaker 1: waiting down the pipe for us?
Speaker 8: What we're not saying that we live in a civilized
Speaker 8: or a peaceful American society?
Speaker 7: Right? We are a wash and guns and violence.
Speaker 8: We just add a female school shooter like we're breaking
Speaker 8: new grounds. We have DEI and school shooting now, like
Speaker 8: we have school shooters that are constant.
Speaker 7: We have all kinds of violence.
Speaker 8: Don't get me even started on state sponsored violence, the
Speaker 8: police and the military and the sort of things that
Speaker 8: we're allowed. I mean, we are constantly dealing with things
Speaker 8: in a violent way. So we are not a peaceful
Speaker 8: or civilized society by any stretch. Obviously, I do not
Speaker 8: think that everybody should handle their disagreement with the healthcare
Speaker 8: industry in this way. But this conversation cannot evolve into
Speaker 8: that young man should not have killed somebody. Obviously he
Speaker 8: should not have killed somebody. But even more important, the
Speaker 8: healthcare industry must be rained in and the way that
Speaker 8: it is allowed to behave legally in a completely immoral way.
Speaker 7: That is the core of this conversation.
Speaker 2: Completely immoral way.
Speaker 1: So, in other words, in the society that we're living
Speaker 1: in right now, when you're trying to listen, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, and the way you broke it down, I
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 2: There's no disagreement here.
Speaker 1: I'm just making the argument that could be an issue.
Speaker 2: No matter where you turn to.
Speaker 1: You're isolating the issue of health care, because obviously that's.
Speaker 2: A very profound thing. One's health.
Speaker 1: Obviously, your livelihood, your quality of life, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: It's all affected by your health. I don't give a
Speaker 1: damn how much money you have. If your health ain't good,
Speaker 1: you ain't good. You can't enjoy the fruits of your labor.
Speaker 1: I understand that part. But other people with that mindset
Speaker 1: it might translate to anything far removed from health care.
Speaker 1: Just because they feel like they're getting taken advantage of
Speaker 1: by the system, that may be a cause for them
Speaker 1: to engage in such heinous acts, and we can't ignore
Speaker 1: that either.
Speaker 8: Don't focus in this conversation. Don't just focus on Luigi
Speaker 8: did X. Oh my god, what does that mean to society? Okay,
Speaker 8: there is a reason why he engaged in that, And
Speaker 8: when you see millions of people across the country celebrating
Speaker 8: somebody for bringing pain like that to the healthcare industry,
Speaker 8: you have to say, why is it that so many
Speaker 8: people agree with his action and are cheering on his action.
Speaker 8: That's where I am, That's what That's what I am
Speaker 8: motivated by. Why are people feeling that way? Rather than
Speaker 8: telling them they shouldn't feel that way. I think media
Speaker 8: has a responsibility to report the truth and to speak
Speaker 8: truth to power. And when we are reporting the truth,
Speaker 8: we have to say, why are all these people so
Speaker 8: happy that this happened. We cannot say you guys should
Speaker 8: not feel that way. And like when you we wag
Speaker 8: our finger at the people and say you should not
Speaker 8: feel that way, we are completely missing what is really
Speaker 8: going on.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're missing what's going on. I get
Speaker 1: your point, and I think it's valid. I just think
Speaker 1: that you're pointing people like myself. Gail King and others
Speaker 1: will pointing to the celebration or to you know, the
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, the celebration, that kind of vibe that
Speaker 1: was out there when a person was murdered. And I
Speaker 1: think that ultimately that's the scary part, because it provides
Speaker 1: justification for such a heinous act. I get what you're saying,
Speaker 1: though you're not wrong. I'm not trying to say that
Speaker 1: you're wrong, and you are right. As media members, we
Speaker 1: do need to look into why people feel in that way.
Speaker 1: That is just as important as what happened. But I
Speaker 1: also think that we can't minimize the word celebration in
Speaker 1: terms of how it came across in the eyes of
Speaker 1: some people that were disseminating that kind of message to
Speaker 1: the masters.
Speaker 2: I'm happy it happened.
Speaker 1: I don't care that this guy was murdered. This is
Speaker 1: what United Healthcare CEO was doing. And guess what if
Speaker 1: it happens to somebody else, good That was the attitude,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's good for our society, bro,
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 8: I mean, there is an anti corporate mood in the
Speaker 8: country for a reason, because our country is shaped by
Speaker 8: what the wealthy and what the corporations want. There's a
Speaker 8: very low correlation between what the mass want and what
Speaker 8: d C does, and a very high correlation because what
Speaker 8: corporations want and what right, what the court?
Speaker 7: What? What? What d C does. People are angry about that.
Speaker 8: People are angry about this massive wealth gap that we have.
Speaker 8: People are completely missing the point when they say, Brian
Speaker 8: Tubson came from humble background, which he did, public school, Iowa,
Speaker 8: farmer father. But he became part of the extreme wealth class.
Speaker 8: And did he remember that he came from a working
Speaker 8: class or a lower middle class background.
Speaker 7: When he became extremely wealthy.
Speaker 8: Did he did he think about that when people had
Speaker 8: claims and couldn't pay them and he and couldn't pay
Speaker 8: for their health care and he refused their claims, did
Speaker 8: he think about that?
Speaker 7: I mean, he's not.
Speaker 8: The New York Times tried to call him a working
Speaker 8: class hero. He is a working class trader, Like we
Speaker 8: need to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I don't recall anybody calling him a working class hero.
Speaker 1: That's news to me.
Speaker 7: I missed Steve for the New York Times.
Speaker 2: I missed that one.
Speaker 7: Brett Stevens, Brett Stevens your time, all.
Speaker 1: Right, that's one individual of the New York Times. Everybody's
Speaker 1: got their opinion. I get that part, Torrey.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Man, I can't listen. I can't argue
Speaker 2: your point.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, especially me being in the media along
Speaker 1: with the rest of us. You are absolutely right that
Speaker 1: there should be a spotlight placed on the dissent that
Speaker 1: people feel, to discuss that people feel as to why
Speaker 1: this stuff happened, getting to the biggest issue about really
Speaker 1: really being against corporate America and what it's done to
Speaker 1: the American citizens, particularly with the new administration coming in
Speaker 1: the office of what people are anticipating may happen for those,
Speaker 1: you know, for the wealthy amongst us.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, there's no doubt about that. So I
Speaker 2: can't knock it.
Speaker 1: I was just saying, look, you're out in the streets.
Speaker 1: You know a dude got murdered. Now, that ain't a
Speaker 1: reason to celebrate. That's all I was trying to say.
Speaker 1: But I got your point. I got your point. And
Speaker 1: I've been in a situation as you have where most
Speaker 1: of our life we find a situation where corporate America
Speaker 1: hasn't been there for us at all. We didn't go
Speaker 1: out and shoot anybody that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. I get your point. You're not wrong,
Speaker 2: You're not wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, we don't go out there and shoot
Speaker 1: somebody in the back and gun them down.
Speaker 2: That's not I.
Speaker 8: Don't you know, I don't know. I don't know where
Speaker 8: you got in the back. I haven't seen the full footage.
Speaker 8: I don't think it was in the back.
Speaker 7: I don't know why. I don't know why we keep
Speaker 7: going back to the well. I guess I guess that
Speaker 7: where he was when he got shot.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm only assuming that because I saw him
Speaker 1: point in the gun and then while a guy was
Speaker 1: walking and his back was turned, and I saw a
Speaker 1: report that said.
Speaker 7: No, I don't, but I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 7: think that that batters.
Speaker 8: As far as the relationship to the healthcare industry and
Speaker 8: the way that all these people feel, I've never seen
Speaker 8: in my life such a stark divide between the way
Speaker 8: the media class is discussing something and the way the
Speaker 8: people feel. And we saw such a stark divide that
Speaker 8: I felt I had to speak about it on social media,
Speaker 8: And you know, with folks like you to be like
Speaker 8: you know, y'all. Y'all, y'all need to understand because when
Speaker 8: it was Maga, when Maga rose up, media said we
Speaker 8: need to understand who these people are, right, we also
Speaker 8: wagged our finger at them, but we went to their
Speaker 8: coffee shops to try to figure out who they are.
Speaker 8: And right now, as millions of people are cheering Luigi on,
Speaker 8: we need to go into their coffee shops and figure
Speaker 8: out who they are, why they feel that way.
Speaker 1: So let the audience know where you're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about this further, because I know you ain't gonna get
Speaker 1: off this subject.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know you can catch me on rapt
Speaker 7: on YouTube. I'm on my TikTok toret show.
Speaker 8: We're gonna talk about on my podcast to Ray show,
Speaker 8: and you know I'll be back here with Steven A.
Speaker 7: Smith next week.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man, Thanks a lot, Bro, thanks a lot,
Speaker 1: so much, Thanks brother.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the education. Thanks a lot.
Speaker 7: All right, man, thank you.
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Speaker 1: This is who Ryan Clark is He's an incredible asset
Speaker 1: to the ESPN family. He's a personal friend of mine,
Speaker 1: brother got love for him, and he was on First
Speaker 1: Take last week really going at Aaron Rodgers, even called
Speaker 1: them a fraud and just clapped at him big time
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Speaker 1: particularly in his less than illustrious time with the New
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Speaker 1: so Aaron Rodgers been balling, throwing for six hundred and
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Speaker 1: the last couple of games. Nevertheless, when he spoke and
Speaker 1: said what he said, Aaron Rodgers, who's a weekly guest
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Speaker 2: Had this to say about Ryan Clark.
Speaker 1: Quote, say whatever the expletive you want about me, I
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Speaker 2: Just get it out there. That was Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: If you know anything about my man, Ryan Clark, he
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Speaker 1: that quote from Aaron Rodgers that Ryan Clark would have
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Speaker 2: He is Ryan Clark responding to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 10: My name is Ryan Clark. Played thirteen years in the NFL,
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Speaker 10: co host, owner and partner of an Emmy nominated podcast
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Speaker 10: and I've talked to people that have been in the
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Speaker 2: I have the stories, I have all the.
Speaker 10: Things that they said that informed my opinion of who
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Speaker 10: we want to talk about that above the stink of
Speaker 10: your film. I've never heard it one more time after
Speaker 10: your incident. And the only reason we spoke about it
Speaker 10: then was because based on your vaccination status, it was
Speaker 10: going to determine how long you were out. And also,
Speaker 10: people didn't care that you weren't vaccinated. They cared that
Speaker 10: you were slimy about it. They cared that you were
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Speaker 10: air of arrogance when answering the questions about it. And
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Speaker 2: Last year team was without you. Now, I get it.
Speaker 10: You get on the show and you talk about my
Speaker 10: broch and you curse and all this tough talk.
Speaker 2: I just need you to know.
Speaker 10: So none of that scared me. I'm gonna do my
Speaker 10: job the way I'm supposed to do it. I feel
Speaker 10: no way about not being able to talk about what
Speaker 10: the film says because of what my career was. And
Speaker 10: if you continue to be arrogant or smug or hypocritical
Speaker 10: and it pertains to my job, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 10: And I want to remind you again, I'm Ryan Clark,
Speaker 10: thirteen years, Emmy winner, host of an Emmy nominated podcast,
Speaker 10: and speaking of that jealousy and guest stuff The Rock,
Speaker 10: Kevin Hart, Mike Tomlin, Davante Adams, Joe Burrow, Shaq just
Speaker 10: to name a few. No money, just relationships, conversations and respect.
Speaker 10: So what I tried to give you and We'll keep
Speaker 10: it that way as long as you want it like that.
Speaker 10: Appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Riveting words by my brother, Ryan Clark. I will doubt
Speaker 1: that by one second. A couple of things appeal from
Speaker 1: all of this.
Speaker 2: Number one.
Speaker 1: In the past, on many occasions, I've been accused of
Speaker 1: having a man.
Speaker 2: Crush on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I believe it's a talent at his best in his
Speaker 1: prime in Roote four l.
Speaker 2: A MVP Honors.
Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen in
Speaker 1: our lives.
Speaker 2: He's still that way.
Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers up until Pat I'm sorry Pat
Speaker 1: McPhee Patrick Mahomes came along. I think that Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: up until Patrick Mahomes came along, was the greatest talent
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position I'd ever seen with my two eyes.
Speaker 2: So there's nothing I think to.
Speaker 1: Debate about the greatness of Amon Rodgers and the fact
Speaker 1: that he's destined for the Hall of Fame, because when
Speaker 1: you have his resume, it is what it is. But
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark, his words cannot be diluted or minimized because
Speaker 1: what he pointed out was accurate. Amaron Rodgers QBRS twenty
Speaker 1: one the New York Jets are four in ten up
Speaker 1: until four a couple of weeks ago. Aaron Rodgers looks
Speaker 1: horrid as a quarterback for the New York Jets. It's
Speaker 1: been years since he's thrown for over three hundred yards
Speaker 1: in the game, and the precipitous.
Speaker 2: Drop off has been alarming over the last.
Speaker 1: Two weeks six hundred and twenty eight passing yards, four touchdowns,
Speaker 1: no picks. Over the last seven games thirteen touchdowns just
Speaker 1: won an exception of passer rating of one hundred point four.
Speaker 2: Very impressive.
Speaker 1: But the reality is that Aaron Rodgers looked as like
Speaker 1: a shell of himself, and one has no doubt that
Speaker 1: that must hurt him to hear from anybody and what
Speaker 1: I like about this conversation? And I say, like, because
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by it. See, this isn't Aaron Rodgers clapping
Speaker 1: at a reporter. This is Aaron Rodgers going at a
Speaker 1: former contemporary, a member of the club, a member to
Speaker 1: click you member, you're a National Football League player, you're
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion, you apply, you qualify. So Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers can'd come at Ryan Clark the way he would
Speaker 1: come at say somebody like me who's never played football,
Speaker 1: or a pluthoro of other pundits and commentators out there
Speaker 1: who have never played the game or any professional sport
Speaker 1: for that matter.
Speaker 2: That is not Ryan Clark. That is not Ryan Clark.
Speaker 2: And so when you.
Speaker 1: Tried to come at him that way, that was mistake
Speaker 1: number one. Mistake number two. You brought up the vac
Speaker 1: status because evidently Aaron Rodgers feels that anybody who took
Speaker 1: the vaccine, their opinions are the be dismissed because there's
Speaker 1: so much that we've learned about the whole COVID vaccine
Speaker 1: and everything that transpired during that time that conspiracy theorists
Speaker 1: at the time that Amon Rodgers to Kyrie Irvings and
Speaker 1: others ended up looking a lot better later on, and
Speaker 1: in fairness, a lot better than the rest of us,
Speaker 1: myself included.
Speaker 2: Here's the flip side. Ryan Clark pointed out, it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that you took the vaccine or that you didn't
Speaker 1: take the vaccine.
Speaker 2: Is that he used the word slimy. I'm saying you
Speaker 2: were lying. You said you were immunized.
Speaker 1: You gave the impression that you were vaccinated, and you
Speaker 1: didn't man up in state No I didn't take the vaccine.
Speaker 1: And guess what, as an NFL player, Amon Rodgers didn't
Speaker 1: have to take the vaccine, you would have still been
Speaker 1: allowed to play. So there was no reason to give
Speaker 1: the impression that you were vaccinated when in fact you weren't.
Speaker 1: You being seen as a stand up guy that called
Speaker 1: it like you saw it and was honest and forthcoming.
Speaker 2: Then it come.
Speaker 1: Across like that when it came to the whole vaccination issue.
Speaker 1: That's what Ryan Clark was pointing to, and he's right
Speaker 1: about that. When it gets to the credentials of Ryan Clarke,
Speaker 1: let me say this, Ryan Clark is a contributor to
Speaker 1: First Tape. Ryan Clark is one of the most brilliant
Speaker 1: football analysts we have in the business today. His ethics,
Speaker 1: his professionalism, his core nucleus of his soul.
Speaker 2: Is not to be questioned.
Speaker 1: Now me, those broaches that he's got on his blaze
Speaker 1: is the big ARC.
Speaker 2: I don't think you need that bro Everybody know who
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: See when you large RC, you don't need the RC. Yes,
Speaker 1: we know who the hell you are. That's just my
Speaker 1: personal opinion, but that's his style. He doesn't believe he's
Speaker 1: better addressed than me. I disagree, but that's a different
Speaker 1: subject for another day. In all seriousness, the point is
Speaker 1: the brother has high integrity, high integrity, he's very principled
Speaker 1: and he ain't backing up from anybody. And so when
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wants to come at him, you can't come
Speaker 1: at him for his credentials as a football player other
Speaker 1: than he wasn't you. You can't come at him fitstal
Speaker 1: integrity or professionalism as somebody in the media, because he's
Speaker 1: pointed out the great work that he's been doing, and
Speaker 1: he's right on.
Speaker 2: Off fronts.
Speaker 1: When he talks about what he hears in those locker rooms, Well,
Speaker 1: y'all are the ones that tell the media we don't know.
Speaker 2: Y'all are the ones that know, Well, he's one of
Speaker 2: the y'all's.
Speaker 1: Which means that people in locker rooms have told them
Speaker 1: those things that he ultimately has disseminated and conveyed about you,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and.
Speaker 2: That is inescapable.
Speaker 1: And the last part about his relationships, that was not
Speaker 1: a shot at Pat McAfee, nor should it be. Plenty
Speaker 1: of shows have had and will have guests that they pay.
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee has done it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure something I'll do in the future for people
Speaker 1: I paid guests before. You understand, not that I'm talking
Speaker 1: about anybody that would.
Speaker 2: Come on weekly or whatever.
Speaker 1: Sure I would, okay, along with many, many, many others
Speaker 1: who would do that. There are paid appearances in our
Speaker 1: business all the time. That was not a shot at
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee. It was a shot at Aaron Rodgers. It
Speaker 1: was Ryan Clark saying, you got to be paid to
Speaker 1: go on with your boy. Other people didn't charge me.
Speaker 1: That's not talking about Pat McFee. That's talking about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: So I think it's something that needed to be said.
Speaker 1: In the end, it comes back to what I've said
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers many times. My man, ball and win,
Speaker 1: because the reality is you haven't won as great as
Speaker 1: you are. You ever won a Super bos in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: You haven't been to the Super Bowls since twenty ten,
Speaker 1: and now your career is going in the wrong direction
Speaker 1: based on wins and losses. They want you doll it back,
Speaker 1: roll it back to next year with you and Devonte Adams.
Speaker 2: Here all next season and beyond. Do something about it.
Speaker 1: Bro, show us what you got left going after Ryan
Speaker 1: Clark that ain't gonna do much for you. That ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do much for you. Ryan Clark and I have
Speaker 1: gone at each other.
Speaker 2: In the past.
Speaker 1: You don't have a platform every day like I do.
Speaker 1: You don't want to go at Ryan Clark. That is
Speaker 1: not a winnable situation for you, Amon Rogers. In fact,
Speaker 1: it's almost as bad of a situation as it has
Speaker 1: been you going out on the field Sundays in the
Speaker 1: Jets uniform. You might want to think about that. Just
Speaker 1: friendly words of advice. That's all I want to say
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I want to get into a story I've seen percolating
Speaker 1: in the headlines and social media, and that's about Heisman
Speaker 1: Trophy winning Travis Hunter and it's fiance Leonna Leney. For
Speaker 1: some reason, these two young people feel the need to
Speaker 1: hit the social media airwaves to defend their relationship in
Speaker 1: front of the world.
Speaker 2: I really don't get this.
Speaker 1: Leanna went to TikTok when they TikTok to explain why
Speaker 1: she didn't stand when Travis was announced as the Heisman
Speaker 1: Trophy winner.
Speaker 2: Take a look at this.
Speaker 9: When his name was called, I instantly was gonna If
Speaker 9: you watch the video, you can see me like but
Speaker 9: his mom didn't get up, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 9: maybe I don't get up, Maybe I just sit here
Speaker 9: with her.
Speaker 11: So you sat there and then and then y'all said
Speaker 11: coach Pum had to tell me to get a No,
Speaker 11: heat didn't. He said go get him, go get your
Speaker 11: man like and once I stood up. But he didn't
Speaker 11: have to do that because I was gonna do that anyway.
Speaker 11: As soon as I seen Travis get up, then I
Speaker 11: thought it was appropriate to stand up, greet him, congratulate him.
Speaker 11: But then there was a camera right in front of
Speaker 11: Coach Prime, and I knew they were gonna film that moment.
Speaker 11: And because of how people are online, I was like,
Speaker 11: I don't want to be in that shot, so I'm
Speaker 11: gonna sit down. So I try to sit down so
Speaker 11: I'm not in the camera while I'm crying. People are
Speaker 11: gonna go, oh, why she's why is she crying? Like
Speaker 11: you know, stuff like that, And so I got out
Speaker 11: of the camera purposefully so they can have their moment.
Speaker 11: That's all it was. No one told me to stand up,
Speaker 11: No one had to tell me to celebrate with him.
Speaker 11: I was just sitting there crying. I wanted to take
Speaker 11: it in myself.
Speaker 9: Too.
Speaker 11: I was super excited for him, but I wanted the
Speaker 11: moment to be about him and his family.
Speaker 2: What are you doing, Leanna? What are you doing? Well?
Speaker 2: I go any further on this subject, let me fully explain.
Speaker 1: She also went on to explain our actions following Colorado's
Speaker 1: last home game, where fans wondered why she didn't seem
Speaker 1: to give him a hug, and then she explained the
Speaker 1: fans why she didn't respond to Travis when he first
Speaker 1: tried to holler via a DM.
Speaker 2: As for Travis, he also.
Speaker 1: Went to social media on Monday to defend his fiance, adding.
Speaker 2: More fuel to this fire.
Speaker 1: Hunter, who swept all of the major college football awards,
Speaker 1: including the Heisman, appeared on the streaming platform Twitch that
Speaker 1: same day as Leanna. He told fans she's been crying
Speaker 1: herself to sleep over comments made by internet users.
Speaker 2: What are y'all doing?
Speaker 1: First of all, Leanna, you are his lady, You are
Speaker 1: his fiance, You are about to be his wife. Why
Speaker 1: are you explaining to the world, Why how much you
Speaker 1: care about him?
Speaker 2: Does he know that's all that matters?
Speaker 1: You are on camera, your voice cracking, tears feeling like
Speaker 1: seeming like they're on the verge of streaming down your
Speaker 1: face completely upset over these assertions pervaded all over social media.
Speaker 1: You think that's gonna shut people up. All it's going
Speaker 1: to do is invite them to talk about you more.
Speaker 1: Why because you find.
Speaker 2: People soft squat and soft spot and you squeeze.
Speaker 1: That's the cruel world we're living in. You gotta be
Speaker 1: stronger than that. You gotta have alligator skin. You're a
Speaker 1: young lady, a beautiful young lady who one with surmise,
Speaker 1: completely loves some men and is looking forward to spending
Speaker 1: the rest of your life with them. Congratulations. But it's
Speaker 1: about him, not about what other people think about you.
Speaker 2: With him.
Speaker 1: You got to learn that when you invite people in
Speaker 1: your relationships, you' ultimately gonna invite them into your marriage.
Speaker 1: You really really want that, you don't want that. That's
Speaker 1: number one. The big issue I have is with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: She's crying herself to sleep.
Speaker 1: What in God's name would make you think that that's
Speaker 1: a good thing to tell the world.
Speaker 2: Why would you do that?
Speaker 1: You think they're gonna feel sorry for you, think they're
Speaker 1: gonna have compassion. You don't see these trolls out here, bruh,
Speaker 1: you are an All world player and they gonna.
Speaker 2: Find something to criticize you about. Just wait for it.
Speaker 2: It's coming. If it hasn't already, give it time.
Speaker 1: I tell you a few minutes. The people talking about
Speaker 1: how she looks. I think she looks beautiful. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you do too. I'm quite sure there's other people that
Speaker 1: say in otherwise. They don't mean it.
Speaker 2: It's to get at you.
Speaker 1: You could do better. Why you got to be with her?
Speaker 1: Why can't you be with somebody else?
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. They gonna do all of that. What
Speaker 2: you're doing, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Don't give in it that you're about to go into
Speaker 1: the National Football League.
Speaker 2: That's what you're about to do. You're about to get paid.
Speaker 1: In my eyes, this would be your most selfish time.
Speaker 1: You need to think about the people that you're involving
Speaker 1: in your life, how close net they are. Do they
Speaker 1: keep things internal? They gonna go on social media and
Speaker 1: express themselves.
Speaker 2: You don't need that. You ain't got time for that nonsense.
Speaker 1: Try and get your paper, Try to build your career.
Speaker 1: Try to be in the National Football League.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be coming home after a hard
Speaker 2: day's work. There's a National.
Speaker 1: Football League player worried about what somebody got to say
Speaker 1: about you or your girl, your fiance.
Speaker 2: You can't respond to that. You just want the Heisman
Speaker 2: and you on X talking about.
Speaker 1: How or or twitch or or whatever hell else you
Speaker 1: were on talking about how she had to cry herself
Speaker 1: to sleep.
Speaker 2: What in this world has told you? People are gonna say.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're so cruel, we shouldn't have done that to her.
Speaker 2: We're sorry. They ain't gonna do that. They ain't gonna
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good, decent people in this world, Travis,
Speaker 1: But the ones who are the loudest, the ones who
Speaker 1: are the most conspicuous, who illuminate the most dang't shit.
Speaker 2: They wait for you to fall, Bruh. They don't give
Speaker 2: a damn about you.
Speaker 1: And in their eyes, your girl is your weak spot
Speaker 1: because she showed her vulnerabilities.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. Take it from your.
Speaker 1: Boy, stephen Na, cause you know I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 1: First of all, I think she's beautiful. I think y'all
Speaker 1: a beautiful couple. I wish you nothing but the best. Secondly,
Speaker 1: you got prime talk to your coach. That brother knows.
Speaker 1: They came after him too, and look at how he shined.
Speaker 2: Follow his lead.
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, let me tell you something, bro,
Speaker 1: Listen to Cat Williams.
Speaker 2: You got fifty haters, mad MANA shou to be happy.
Speaker 1: You don't have a hundred two hundred five hundred alligator skin.
Speaker 2: Brah, develop more of it.
Speaker 1: Let it roll right off your chest because in most instances,
Speaker 1: people in this world are wishing they were you.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do what you did.
Speaker 1: She don't have to do what she did being on
Speaker 1: social media, holding back tears, voice cracking and all of that. No,
Speaker 1: that showed the world they could get to you.
Speaker 2: You don't do that. You don't do that.
Speaker 1: Now, let's get to some tweets before I get on
Speaker 1: out of here for the day, because I want to
Speaker 1: see what kind of tweets y'all gonna send my way, right,
Speaker 1: because I know y'all like to do that with me,
Speaker 1: so I'm happy to help all right. At EBSC ninety three,
Speaker 1: Edwin Bach writes who would win in a game of
Speaker 1: one on one? Prime T Mac or Prime k D.
Speaker 1: Give me reasons KD easy? T Mac was a monster.
Speaker 1: T Mac is my brother. That brother was special, special talent.
Speaker 1: He never had a pure offensive game like Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant from three from the mid range.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, easy money. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I mean he's money sniper. This is who
Speaker 2: this brother is.
Speaker 1: T Matt could give you twenty eight to thirty a
Speaker 1: night anytime he wanted to, and he could make jump
Speaker 1: shots and three's, but he wasn't a natural shooter. The
Speaker 1: brother could shoot, but he wasn't a natural bona fide marksman.
Speaker 1: He can get to the hole of a dunkin on
Speaker 1: your face, he could sit up there and finish at
Speaker 1: the basket. He could do these things, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: the offensive juggernaut that Kevin Durant is. This smooth operator. No,
Speaker 1: you easily. I mean, this is an easy.
Speaker 2: Choice right here. KD all day, every day, no question
Speaker 2: about it. Let's go to the next tweet.
Speaker 1: Please let me get it at Zillow Gone Wild Rights.
Speaker 2: Where'd you live here? Stephen Ay? Now? Look at this.
Speaker 1: This Colorado home embodies the spirit of we aren't here
Speaker 1: for a long time, just a good time. Only one
Speaker 1: point six million in Grand Junction, Colorado. It looks pretty fly.
Speaker 1: Would I live here, Well, what's the problem with this?
Speaker 1: I mean, hold on, Hell no, I didn't see all
Speaker 1: of this around it. Hell with all of this, don't
Speaker 1: show me the inside of that The inside of that
Speaker 1: house looks nice, but it's a hot.
Speaker 2: Tub with a stripper pole. I got that part all right.
Speaker 2: I don't need a strip of poles.
Speaker 1: See, I once had the experience I have to confess
Speaker 1: to y'all as many years ago.
Speaker 2: Long timber go, long time, long, long, long, long time ago.
Speaker 1: Burnie math voice. I was at a strip club and
Speaker 1: this stripper was on a pole. And what happened was
Speaker 1: she tried to hang upside down and fell all the
Speaker 1: way down, bust her ass. Blood was all over the place.
Speaker 1: They had to shut the club down and get it
Speaker 1: to the hospital. She ended up being fine, but it
Speaker 1: was very embarrassing and very very painful. That's one of
Speaker 1: the last times I was ever at the strip club.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna tell you where, but it happened many
Speaker 1: years ago, many many years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't want to eat the strip a pole.
Speaker 2: You got the hot tub.
Speaker 1: But here's the issue. Look at the outsides here, look
Speaker 1: at this, here, look at this, here, look at this here.
Speaker 1: What the hell is this neighborhood matters? Neighborhood matters talk
Speaker 1: about lowering the value of one's home, that would be that. Okay, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not living there for the inside reasons with the
Speaker 1: strip pole and the outside reasons with the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: You understand. All I got to say about that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Is I hope you can reckon them ride and I'll
Speaker 1: leave it at that. Next up, what you got at
Speaker 1: Nate BG twenty two Underscore Rights. Who wins if they
Speaker 1: were in Super Smash Brothers? A chill guy, A family guy,
Speaker 1: Bill Nyder, science guy Super Smash Brothers. I'm gonna lean
Speaker 1: on the word smash and go with the biggest figure,
Speaker 1: the family God.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at the biggest figure here, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: associate it with the word smash and that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with the family God. But no, the other
Speaker 1: damn reason other than that.
Speaker 2: I don't think I need another reason other than that.
Speaker 2: That's just me.
Speaker 1: I gotta get on out of here. I hope you
Speaker 1: all enjoyed the show. Be at you next time. All right,
Speaker 1: that's hip for this edition.
Speaker 2: Of the step and a Smith, so I'm signing off
Speaker 2: peace and love everybody. We'll talk