1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: Michael Very show is on the air. 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: I have received over the years a number of emails 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: from parents who are struggling with a child, and some 5 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 3: of them we've talked to on the air. Who is 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 3: in a term that I didn't know. I'm fifty three 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: years old. When I was in school, this term didn't exist. 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: That is, they are struggling with the child who is 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: in transition or considering transition, or they've just learned that 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 3: the counselor at school is telling little Tommy that he 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: can be a girl, or a little Susie that she 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: can be a boy, and they don't know what to do. 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: And you know, it's one of those things that if 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: you don't have a kid going through this, you might 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: make an offhanded joke and you know, it's it's funny, 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: or it's you know, you don't you don't invest a 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: lot of emotion, but when your child is going through anything, 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: you you don't want to separate from your child. You 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: don't want to disconnect from your child. You don't want 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: to be estranged from your child. You want to be 21 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: the best parent you can, and sometimes that's tough. Love 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 3: rub some dirt in it. And sometimes that's understanding, sometimes 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: that's listening. And I'm not a real touchy feeling guy, 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: but I'm probably a little more touchy feeling now that 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: I'm older, and I understand, Hey, you can't be the 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: dad and mom that says we'll have nothing to do 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: with you anymore, or you leave your kid to a 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: system and an industry that, in my opinion, is very dangerous. 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: So with all that in mind, I had a listener 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: send me a book entitled A Practical Guide to Gender Distress. 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: And look, I know what some of you are thinking. 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about boys trying to be 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: girls and girls trying. I don't either, but the reality 34 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: is it's happening. And I have my reasons as to 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: why I think it's happening. I think some people are 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: being encouraged. I think there's some peer pressure. I think 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: there's a lot to that. But I wanted to have 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: the author of this book on to talk about this 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: because this particular parent had read this book and found 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: it useful in dealing with her child, and she's not 41 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: authorized me to say her name or any other details, 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: and so I won't. You can find this individual at 43 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: The Truthfultherapist dot com. Her name is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: The book is a practical guide to gender distress. Pamela, 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: why don't we start with how you came to this issue? 46 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Correct dot org? 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: Hello, I'm sorry it does say dot com I have 48 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: to protect my own I have to protect myself. 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: Here and it's showing as truthful f U L L? 50 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: Should it only be one L? 51 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm not sure where you're seeing that my dot org? 52 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: You know what, you may have a pr I'm not 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: sure how Jim Mudd found you, of my creative director, 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: but he cut and pasted this and it had dot 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: com and it had. 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: Truthful with two eels. 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: But anyway, so, yes, the Truthfultherapist dot org. 58 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: How did you come to this issue? 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Hi? I'm an interesting unicorn because I'm a licensed clinical 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: social worker with over twenty years of mental health experience. 61 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: I work with teens and families in school, in clinics, 62 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: and hospitals all of this time, and I am one 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: of the very few with all of this experience that 64 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: has been outspoken on this topic. And the reason I've 65 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: become outspoken about this is I actually had to take 66 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: a hiatus due to a health issue back in twenty seventeen, 67 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: and I came back to my job in twenty twenty 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: one and things had radically shifted at that point. That's 69 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: when this trend really grew while I was on disability. 70 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: So when I came back, it was extremely shocking to me. 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: And I describe myself sort of like a rip band therapist, 72 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: like Rip Van Wrinkle, because I was sort of asleep, 73 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: not aware of what was happening in my profession. Things 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: radically changed. I came back and I couldn't believe my eyes. 75 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: And I saw many kids at the program I newly 76 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: was working at identifying as trands that would never have 77 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: done that before. 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 3: And so walk me through how that brings you to today, 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 3: because it's a bit of an atypical, atypical practice. 80 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: Very atypical. I've had quite the journey, honestly. So I 81 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: had this disability. I still can't work a full time job, 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: so I have a lot less to lose. I think 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: that has a lot to do with it. There are 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: other people out there that agree with me, but because 85 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: cancel culture is so intense, they're afraid to speak up 86 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: and they're self censoring However, since I can't work full time, 87 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: I have less to lose, so I've decided to be 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: more outspoken. Also, that job I was just just talking 89 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: about it was a healthcare worker job. I was in 90 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: California and there was a COVID vaccine mandate for healthcare workers. 91 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: I chose not to get the COVID vaccine, and that's 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: when I decided that I was called to speaking to 93 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: these problems within my profession. 94 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: And how did I have to interrupt? Because I don't 95 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: like labels, but I am an anti vaxxer. I think 96 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 3: my brother died from taking the vaccine. He was only 97 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: fifty four years old. As a police officer. There is 98 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 3: now a case against astrasenica from police officers that is 99 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: being handicapped as a pretty good case because apparently officers 100 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: were being given the astrosenica shot. I don't know why, 101 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: but I don't like mandates under any circumstances. Tell me 102 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 3: a little bit so I understand your mindset of why 103 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: you were opposed to that and how that played out. 104 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, at the time, I wasn't really against any of it. 105 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: My personal reasons were I had severe chronic pain for 106 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: several years and At that point, I had finally recovered 107 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: enough to be functional to work part time at a job. 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: Before that, I could barely tie my shoes. I had 109 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: this nerve pain condition that was extremely severe, and the 110 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: doctors didn't believe me. I went through an odyssey. I finally, 111 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: ever overcame all of that, and that's when this vaccine 112 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: mandate came through. I also had just recovered from COVID 113 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: and took that you know, horse pace, that horse medicine, 114 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: and I recovered just fine. And I didn't need it. 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: I knew that natural immunity was robust and I didn't 116 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: need it. So I did not want to take it, 117 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: and I did not trust the healthcare system after everything 118 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: I had been through. 119 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: And so you were fired. 120 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Yes, i'd say I was let go. I just didn't 121 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: get more shifts. I was no longer able to work 122 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: for them, and I was not able to get an exemption. 123 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: There were the state of California would not allow doctors 124 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: to do a medical exemption. Check the box for medical exemption, 125 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: not religious exemption. And my reasons were not religious. My 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: reasons were medical. 127 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: Interesting. That's very interesting. 128 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to ask you to hold right there, 129 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: because I want to get into this. 130 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: Line in your biography. 131 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid 132 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: therapists who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children 133 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: and folks, let me tell you something. We're going to 134 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: begin this conversation in the next segment, but I want 135 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: to be very clear with you as parents, and that 136 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: you train your children of this. Do not let someone 137 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: stick something in your kid's but mouth, ear, or arm 138 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: that you don't know what it is. Do not hesitate 139 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: to say not on this visit. We're going to do 140 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: some research and come back because you have agency, you 141 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: have control over your own body. Do not simply trust 142 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: when they're the experts. It doesn't work that way. All right, 143 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: We're gonna talk to Pamela Garfield Yaker Jaeger The Truthfultherapist 144 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: dot org. A practical guide to gender distress for your kids, 145 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: and your grandkids and your sister's kids. Man Michael Berry, 146 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: The System of Modern Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. 147 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: Our website is The Truthfultherapist dot org. It says Pamela's 148 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: mission is to educate parents on how to avoid therapists 149 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children. She's 150 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: the author of the book A Practical Guide to Gender Distress. 151 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: She has a licensed therapist as well. So, Pamela, let's 152 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: start talking about what parents need to know if they 153 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: sense well, actually, let me take a step back. What 154 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: are some signs for parents that maybe your kid is 155 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: starting to try out for Mavian rows. You know, your 156 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: kid's not sure what they are. What are some early signs. 157 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so one of the earliest signs is Internet youth. 158 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: If your child is spending a lot of time online 159 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: and becoming more withdrawn from you and your family and 160 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: things that your family value. Those are some indicators that 161 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: your child might be withdrawing from what your family values 162 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: and might be reaching towards a group of people that 163 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: perhaps are teaching them values that go against what you believe. 164 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: But do you notice in children any sorts of behavioral 165 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: changes when you sense that they're going through. 166 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: And what causes this? 167 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: I mean, my theory is kids that don't belong and 168 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: sometimes they're looking for a way to belong, and this 169 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: is sort of almost like a gang. You know, other 170 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: kids are often encouraging them to do this. 171 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: That is your serio is correct. That is one of 172 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: the main reasons. Basically, what these gender ideologs are doing. 173 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: They are taking vulnerable kids and they are recruiting them, 174 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: and I see them as exploiting the vulnerable. So it's 175 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: different for each child in each family. There's so many 176 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: different circumstances. In my book, I go through many different 177 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: scenarios of how and when a child could be recruited. 178 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: To decide or believe it, their trends, some behaviors you 179 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: asked that you can just look at. Do they suddenly 180 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: change their dress to be more androgynous or different or 181 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, pink hair, you know, if they start changing 182 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: their looks. A lot of times parents look at that 183 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: and say, well, I'm just going to let them express themselves. 184 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: And honestly, it's a tricky thing how to enforce changing 185 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: or their dress. But it's good to be aware of 186 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: it and not to ignore it, and to really be 187 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: present with your child and recognize there's probably something. 188 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Going on, you know. 189 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: Pamela Garfield Yeger is our guest a Practical Guide to 190 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: Gender Distress. 191 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: I would say that's also good advice for kids who. 192 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: Are beginning to experiment with alcohol, kids who are beginning 193 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: to experiment with sexual activity, kids who are beginning to 194 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: experiment with self harm. 195 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: I mean you. 196 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: Identify problems and can help a child cope better when 197 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 3: you are as you said present. I don't often use 198 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: therapists speak, but there is something to be said for you. 199 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: If you're spending your time with your kid, if you're 200 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 3: running to the grocery store, put your kid in the 201 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: grocery store with you. Don't assume once that kid can 202 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: drive and has a phone, that living under your roof 203 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 3: is enough. You've got to interact. You've got to get 204 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: inside their head. You've got to know what's going on. 205 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: Are there things that you begin to prepare parents how 206 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: to address these issues, How to begin that conversation with 207 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: a child, What sorts of things are off limits, and 208 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: what sorts of things are musts in dealing with this 209 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: early on. 210 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually have a whole chapter about pronouns, because 211 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: one of the first ways they indoctrinate the children is 212 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: to have them share pronouns or even just observe their 213 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: friends use these pronouns. So I have a chapter about 214 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: how pronouns are hard. I think even conservatives often don't 215 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: recognize that using the pronouns is not innocent, and to 216 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: teach them to speak out against it, just to say no, no, 217 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: thank you. This is causing fighting. I don't want to lie, 218 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: So even little kids can. You can have that conversation 219 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: with a little kid and help ground them in truth, 220 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: help them understand that they are a boy and they're 221 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: a girl. I mean, that's the best way is to 222 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: start young. And just if you're religious, of course, tell 223 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: them this is how God made you. And help them 224 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: feel proud of the body that they were born in. 225 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: Because they're being taught in school and in the movies 226 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: and the government and everywhere that they are born wrong, 227 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: that their bodies are like a vessel, that they can 228 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: do whatever they want, almost like a form of transhumanism. 229 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: Little kids are being taught this. So parents need to 230 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: get ahead of that and teach their children that they 231 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: are their bodies and the way they were born is 232 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: just right, and that you love them the way they are. 233 00:12:58,679 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: Interesting. 234 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: I think was this idea you talked about transhumanism? I 235 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: think there is an idea in a lot of secular 236 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: humanistic liberal and they each bring their own approach to this, 237 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: and it is the idea that everything is Okay, we'll 238 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: just hug it out and everything. It's a sort of 239 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: relativism of you know, your truth is your truth, and 240 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: your feelings are your feelings and whatever they are, no 241 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: matter what. 242 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: If you're feeling. 243 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: But people don't realize if your kids said I'm going 244 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 3: to rob a bank. 245 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 2: You wouldn't go. Well, that's how you feel. Here's a pistol. 246 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: I think kids have to be molded and guided and 247 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 3: interacted with and coached and parented and loved and engaged 248 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: and disciplined and challenged. And that sounds like what you're 249 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: telling parents to do. When parents call you as a therapist, 250 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: where are they usually in that process? 251 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, oftentimes I actually talk to parents with adult children, 252 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: usually who are in their early twenties. So that's difficult 253 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: because oftentimes the young adult is no longer living with 254 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: the family, But I still give a lot of the 255 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: similar advice, and the advice I give is figuring out 256 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: how to connect with that with that person and I'm 257 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: no longer a child, how to connect with that young 258 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: person and to remain in contact with them because what 259 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: they're basically being, what's basically happening to them is they've 260 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: been recruited into occult like mentality, and the transactivists have 261 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: taught them that their families are the enemy. If they 262 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: have questions, or if they believe in truth or they 263 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: believe in reality, that they're the enemy. So your job 264 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: as a parent is to let them know that no 265 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: matter what, you love them, and maybe in fact figure 266 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: out what might be the underlying issues. Because as as 267 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: you excuse me, as you said earlier, this has a 268 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: lot of parallels to alcoholism or eating disorders or other 269 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: ways people manifest issues. This is sort of the new 270 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: way of cutting, the new way of self harm. So 271 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: there's always something underneath, and your goal, is someone who 272 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: loves them and cares about them, is to help them 273 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: address those issues. 274 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: When you say parents are calling you parents of adult children, 275 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: are these children by this time? Typically when I say child, 276 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: I mean the next generation. Some people don't like me 277 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: to as word children about somebody that might be thirty. 278 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: I don't mean they're a little kid. I mean, yeah, 279 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: I am still the child of my parents. I'm one 280 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: of their children and I'm fifty three. When you say 281 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: that they are they trying to figure out how to 282 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: relate to adult children who've left the home and maybe 283 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: that's that's. 284 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: Where we are. 285 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes they've left the home. Sometimes they're still in 286 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: the home where they're about to leave the home. So 287 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: they're grasping to maintain that relationship. So they're calling me 288 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: to figure out what to do. And I got to 289 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: be honest at that phase. It's not easy, but there 290 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: is there is still hope. 291 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: I have a story with a friend of mine. Nobody 292 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: listening knows him, so don't worry that you might figure 293 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: out who it is. But what they're going and the 294 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: torment to his wife over a boy that's transitioning to 295 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: a girl is is. I mean, it's very stressful in 296 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: their marriage, it's very stressful on their home, and they 297 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: are not equipped to deal with this and they've tried 298 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: every approach and this adult child in mid twenties is 299 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: just being cruel and tormenting, particularly his mother, and it's 300 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: awful to see. 301 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: Hold with us. 302 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 3: Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. Our website is the 303 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: Truthfultherapist dot org. The book is a practical Guide to 304 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: gender distress. 305 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: And I have almost went to law school of Mars. 306 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: The Michael Barry shown The Politicoltherapist dot Org. The line 307 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: that caught my attention. Pamela's mission is to educate parents 308 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: on how to avoid therapists who lacks skills or try 309 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: to indoctrinate their children. We're talking about boys that want 310 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: to be girls and girls that want to be boys, 311 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: and what parents should do. But I will tell you 312 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: everything she said so far are, in my opinion, the 313 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: same thing you should do for a kid who is 314 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: beginning to develop bad behaviors, self harming behaviors with regard 315 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: to drugs and violence, and any number of other social 316 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: disorders that all of them some of the same things. Parent, 317 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: your kid go into the weeds. Don't be afraid. Engage, 318 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: no matter how awkward it gets. Engage. 319 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: You know. 320 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: One of the things I've seen, Pamela with kids who 321 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: go through these phases and by the time they're thirty, 322 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 3: thirty five to forty they come. 323 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: Out of it. It's like a plane that looks like 324 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: it's crashing. They get it back in the air again. 325 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: It is that the kids will say when the parent says, well, 326 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: you told us you don't wantus talk to you anymore, 327 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: so we didn't, and the kids will say, you weren't 328 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: supposed to do that. The kids expected the parents to 329 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: love them so much they defy them. 330 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yeah, yes, And Transactive is weaponize 331 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: that too. I want parents to recognize that that sometimes 332 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: that level of tough love is being weaponized. They'll say, oh, 333 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: that means that you're abandoning your child and that you 334 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: don't love your child, when what you're doing is you're 335 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: trying to show your love by that tough love. But 336 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: in this case it really backfires because what will happen 337 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: is your child will go into the hands of what 338 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: you would call their glitter family, which are really cult 339 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: members and cult leaders that will lead them down the 340 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: path of permanent sterilization, destroying their bodies, doing very dangerous behaviors, 341 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: and engaging with people that do not have the best 342 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: interest for your child. 343 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 3: And in your experience, do you think those people. I 344 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: remember this was probably fifteen years ago. 345 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: There was an. 346 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: Article written based on an undercover investigation and they had 347 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: discovered that NAMBLA, which is these grown men who are 348 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: pediass and pedophiles and they want to diddle little boys. 349 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: And at the NAMBLA convention, they were helping them figure 350 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: out careers where they could be around little boys, and 351 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: they were encouraging them to be librarians because you would 352 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: have the little boy in the library at the school, 353 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: you would be a position of authority. Nobody comes around 354 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: the library, you would have them to yourself. And I thought, 355 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: this is really really sick. But that means that there 356 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 3: were people who became male librarians for this sole purpose. 357 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: Do you think that these counselors at the schools, do 358 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: you think they went in with malintention or they got 359 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 3: caught up in the woke web. 360 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: I think most have good intentions. I think most are misguided. 361 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: I think that this whole rainbow path has paved a 362 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: way for those predators to be there. Like you just described, 363 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: But most counselors, they're what they're really doing, and here's 364 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: more therapy speak. They're acting out their own issues onto children. 365 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: They're trying to put their rescue fantasies onto your child. 366 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: So there's probably a part of them that's been harmed 367 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: that wasn't accepted, perhaps bullied, or maybe they weren't accepted 368 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: by their own parents, so they project that onto your 369 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: child and believe that that same thing is happening to 370 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: your child, and they do what they think is right, 371 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: But it's a completely different situation. It's not themselves, it's 372 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: not what they needed. It's your kid who has the 373 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: loving family. So I think that's more of what's happening. 374 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: Plus it's coming from top down. We and myself included, 375 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: and I've gone against it, have been trained to do this, 376 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: to tear the child away from their parents, to believe 377 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: the child over the parents, to immediately affirm a child's 378 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: gen under identity and keep that a secret. That's in 379 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: the training. So people who trust experts and trust the 380 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: people they're elders within their profession and our naives will 381 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: go along with it, and their empathy is being weaponized. 382 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: I read this about you. 383 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: Pamela has experience working in schools in New York City, 384 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: San Francisco, and in Silicon Valley, California. She's been a 385 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 3: clinical supervisor for over ten years, overseeing therapists working in 386 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 3: school based programs and in mental health settings. She has 387 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and teens 388 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: who are severely mentally ill. Where are most therapists. 389 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: Getting it wrong? 390 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 3: Do they have bad intentions or are they simply employing 391 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: techniques that they believe are right, but you argue are not. 392 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: Well. The profession has really changed since I came up 393 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: the ranks. I'm not going to say it was ever 394 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: per but there was some sort of gatekeeping where if 395 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: you were projecting your own issues, if you hadn't worked 396 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: out your own stuff, you had a supervisor or the 397 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: agencies that were doing the hiring woid screen those people out. 398 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Whereas now that's being rewarded, and that's also what's being 399 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: taught in the graduate schools. There's also a huge emphasis 400 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: on social justice culture and victim mentality, both for the 401 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: therapists and also to project that onto the clients. So 402 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: if you have a client that's a part of some 403 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: kind of minority group, and of course it's LGBT two 404 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 1: plus group is now the big one, they'll look at 405 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: their client as a victim that needs to be protected, 406 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: as opposed to looking at the full picture, and that 407 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: clouds their perspective, and they're being taught that. If you 408 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: look at all the social media of the graduate schools 409 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: of the Association's National Association of Social Workers, which I 410 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: was once a part of years ago, I would no 411 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: longer touch them. They have terrible social justice messages on 412 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: their social media. That's very anti therapeutic, So that's where 413 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: it's coming from. But so that's why the little old 414 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: Me is trying to speak to people to let them 415 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: know what is appropriate therapy. 416 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: You are a voice in the wilderness, Pamela. As I 417 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: told you, I had this listener who read your book 418 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: and sent it to me or so sorry, sent me 419 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 3: a screenshot of it and said, read this and explained why. 420 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: And I can't give any more. 421 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 3: Details than that because it was a very personal story 422 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: about her family, and I said, I'll do you one better. 423 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: I'll put her on the air and reading your website, 424 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: The Truthfultheapist dot org. I am grateful there is someone 425 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: out there like you doing what you're doing. More with 426 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: Pamela Garfield Diager. The book is a Practical Guide to 427 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: gender Distress. The website is the Truthful Therapist dot org. 428 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: Stay tuned with. 429 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: LaToya kidsrill if I love meets a Michael Berry, that's good, 430 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: Fire on Fine Praise Jesus. Truthful Therapist dot org is 431 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: the website. The book is a practical Guide to gender Distress. 432 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: The author and licensed therapist is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. She 433 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: has been a clinical supervisor for over a decade, overseeing 434 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: therapists in school based programs and in mental health settings. 435 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: She's worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and 436 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: teens who are severely mentally ill. And we're talking about 437 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 3: kids who want to transition or beginning that conversation, and 438 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: particularly resources and tools for parents, because you don't want 439 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: to lose your kid, and part of this is a 440 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: cult that steals your kid from it. And I would 441 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: have called that conspiracy, crazy stuff before I saw it happen. 442 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: I'll give you an example, Pamela, and I'm sure you've 443 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 3: seen this a thousand times. So my buddy's wife, my 444 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 3: buddy's wife, their daughter, their son, very heavy set, socially awkward, 445 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: didn't fit in in college, couldn't find a career, kind 446 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: of kind of a wastrel, as we would to call it, 447 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: not you know, not really sure what to do in life. 448 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: And then at some point starts kind of kind of 449 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 3: tinkering with this the way kids used to tinker with 450 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: with drugs or alcohol or crime or credit card fraud 451 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: or whatever else. And then he he decides he's a girl, 452 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: and he moves a few states away and he's playing 453 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: his birth father against his birth mother. My buddy's married 454 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: to the birth mother, and he gets the birth father 455 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: to pay his rent one month and then mom, and 456 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: he withholds his connection to them if they. 457 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: Don't pay their bills. 458 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: And then he creates these fights with his mother, which 459 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: is causing my friend who's married to her a lot 460 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: of distress because it upsets her. The mother flies out 461 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: to where he is on the East coast and goes 462 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 3: there to meet with him and hug him and get 463 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: this resolved, and bangs on the door and he's inside, 464 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: and she bangs on the door for hours and he 465 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: won't open the door, and she lays sits down back 466 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 3: against the door like a movie scene, bawling until finally 467 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: she realizes, after hours and hours of this, she has 468 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 3: to go back to the airport and get back on 469 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 3: the plane and come home, crying the whole time. This 470 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 3: is her child, and just the cruelty. And I'm hearing 471 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 3: this story and seeing this play out again and again. 472 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 3: It's like these rioters at the hamas writers. It says, 473 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: if there is a playbook for what to do, and 474 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: this is very it angers me. Your thoughts on this situation. 475 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: Well, it just sounds heartbreaking. You feel like a scene 476 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: in the movie. There's a scene in that movie with 477 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio, the Basketball Diaries. It sounds just like that 478 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: because the mom had to set a limit because of 479 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: his substance abuse. There are very much parallels to this. Yeah, 480 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's deep for me to just magically say 481 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: what would be the right advice for this family. I 482 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: honestly couldn't do that without getting to know them. But 483 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: clearly this boy young man is acting out things that 484 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: he needs to resolve. And the difference between this and 485 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: all those other issues that you mentioned is that the institutions, 486 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: the professionals are reinforcing it. He's getting his hormones, probably 487 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: for free, from planned parenthood. If not, he's getting it 488 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: from an actual medical doctor, from his insurance if he 489 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: has insurance. So normally you never have a doctor that say, well, 490 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: here is your cocaine, have at it. Well here, Now 491 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: we have institutions that are giving these hormones to the 492 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: young adults, and so it's just heartbreaking. So that's why 493 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: we need to sound conspiracy theory. And I think even 494 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: if I heard myself talking just five years ago, I 495 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: would say I was crazy right now, but that is 496 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: what's going on. So people need to be aware that 497 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: there is some kind of agenda out there to destroy families, 498 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: and unfortunately this family is a victim of that. It's heartbreaking. 499 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 3: It is heartbreaking, and there's such good people. And you 500 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: know what bothers me most is if this woman did 501 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: not love her son, this would be easier. It's as 502 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: if the love you have for your child is being 503 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: turned on you, and it's tragic. And my worst fear 504 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: is this child now adult, is manchild who wants to 505 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: be a woman take his own life, which as you know, 506 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: is a very common ending to this story. And then 507 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: the mother has to live with that the rest of 508 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: her life, and the guilt and the regret and all 509 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: of that. 510 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: I mean, this is awful, yes, And. 511 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: That's being weaponized. The suicide lie has been weaponized. As 512 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: you probably know, and many of your listeners might already 513 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: know that. Therapists and teachers and slogans across everywhere tell 514 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: you that if you don't affirm the person who's identifying 515 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: as trans that they will kill themselves. So it's your 516 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: fault if you don't go along with their lie. However, 517 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: there's no proof of that. And the truth is people 518 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: who tend to fall into this transgender lie already have 519 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: mental health issues, just like this young man you're describing. 520 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: He sounds like he has something a failure to launch, 521 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: perhaps he's on the autistic spectrum. Sounds like there's some 522 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: family turmoil, and so there's other reasons that are not 523 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: being addressed. And he believes, in his mind, because he's 524 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: been lied to, that if he becomes a woman, that 525 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: will solve all of his problems. And we know that 526 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: that's not the case, and he's still going to have problems. 527 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: In fact, he's just going to compound them. And now 528 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a connection with the people that truly 529 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: love him, which actually makes it worse. 530 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: So what do you encourage them to do? Are people 531 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: similarly situated. 532 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the mom is doing everything she can. 533 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean, once they've gotten into that phase where they're 534 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: truly not talking to you, there isn't a whole lot 535 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: she can do with her son other than give him 536 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: the message that she loves him in all different ways. 537 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: And it sounds like that's what she's doing. I recommend 538 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: for her to reach out to some parent groups of 539 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: their other parents that are going through a similar thing. 540 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: They exchange ideas and they can get support from each other. 541 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: There's a substack called pit Parents Parents with Inconvenient Truths 542 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: about trans and there's some very heart wrenching essay with 543 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: parents of similar stories. I bet she would connect with 544 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: a lot of parents that have written in those substacks. 545 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: There is an organization called Our Duty. I think it's 546 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: our Duty dot com or maybe dot us. I'm not 547 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: sure if I have the URL correct, but they are 548 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: called Our Duty. I know there's a US location and 549 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: a Canadian location, so you can look those up. All 550 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: of these things that are actually listed in the back 551 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: of my book so finding resources. There's also an agency 552 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: called Genspect that has some parent groups. So there are 553 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: several agencies that are putting together parent groups support for 554 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: parents that are going through this. So if they don't 555 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: hold that guilt on their own and they recognize it's 556 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: not all their fault and then perhaps they can work 557 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: on whatever, perhaps the things that are in the family 558 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: that could be strengthened so that the person that is 559 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: going through the trends can come back to a healthier system. 560 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: But it's of course it's not simple. 561 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: Well, our time is. You are a wonderful resource. 562 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: Folks can go to the Truthfultherapist dot org and there 563 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: is a contact me button, you can email there, you 564 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 3: can buy the book there, there are resources there, there's 565 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: a video to watch there about gender transformation and our transition. 566 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: And all this sort of stuff. 567 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: Ninety nine percent of our audience will not need your services, 568 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: but for that one percent, we might just make a difference, 569 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: and that is the goal. Pamela Garfield Jaeger a voice 570 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: in the wilderness of sanity and care and reasonableness. 571 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: I am grateful for. 572 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 3: You, and I appreciate you taking the time to do this, 573 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: and you're welcome. 574 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: Hast with you. Thank you, and good night.