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Speaker 1: He only has himself to blame for our parents not

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Speaker 1: they say, my male thirty four younger brother, Matt male

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Speaker 1: finds out that Matt cheated on her with another woman. Ooh,

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Speaker 1: Cindy be male twenty five. Ooh damn ten years almost

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Speaker 2: Ohins.

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Speaker 1: Needless to say, the marriage has been called off and

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Speaker 1: since he was still with Cindy. He said he just

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Speaker 2: Am I the A hole?

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Speaker 1: And there is an update five hours later, some relevant

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Speaker 1: OP the A hole?

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Speaker 2: You know. I think it's a really important thing to

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Speaker 2: consider that a TELDR could be could be a great

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Speaker 2: It's the scrolling because like I'll scroll and then I'll

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Speaker 2: it's the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea how how Riley does dude or

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Speaker 1: Sophia if he has the same brame as me, I

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Speaker 2: Dude, she she this is this is doing a zoom.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, talk quick quick TLDR. So Op's brother was

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Speaker 2: in a perfect relationship. Uh, then he cheated on that

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Speaker 2: Now he's with Cindy. The whole family has basically been like,

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Speaker 2: I am not going to talk to you anymore, god right,

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Speaker 2: And so the parents aren't talking to him, the other

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Speaker 2: OPI is still Opie's brother is still with Cindy, and

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Speaker 2: then oh, pe call. Opie's brother calls Op and it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Op basically hung up on her brother because it's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: You can sleep in it. This is op and their brother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so it's op, Opie's brother who cheated on

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Speaker 2: Why is why is he asking his sister for Oh always,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's like, I'm depressed and I just I

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Speaker 2: He was like, I was like, second chance at what?

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Speaker 2: Like what the second chance? At a familial? Familial sibling says?

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Speaker 1: Do they still talk to the X? I don't know

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Speaker 2: More include and and conclude him more. Sorry that that

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Speaker 2: would like if he's now like excommunicated from his family,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I actually think op is being the A hole.

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Speaker 1: So, and I just think we made actually a rule

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Speaker 1: I like, it's not like uh Op's brother stole the girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the A hole, But I think a

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Speaker 2: I zoom zoom zoom.

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Speaker 1: Would you cut your sister out if she cheated on

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Speaker 1: No for Cindy, the person he's early in a relationship with.

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Speaker 1: Sophia, Especially considering that my parents and sister probably won't

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Speaker 1: This guy sucks, sucks, He sucks so much.

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Speaker 1: He said that he had turned down requests from her

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Speaker 2: Again. Uh, yes, you should you should have I mean,

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Speaker 1: That doesn't deserve does he Just do you think that

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think he sucks so much. Like I literally

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Speaker 1: He mentioned how Cindy had been texting him asking why

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Speaker 1: things abruptly. He texted her back some pretty awful things,

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Speaker 2: Dang like that he's doing. Even when he almost does

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Speaker 1: The conversation ended with Matt requesting that I help him

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Speaker 1: She told me that her entire image of him was shattered,

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Speaker 2: He sucks so much, so much, he definitely needs therapy,

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Speaker 2: that is for sure. Yeah, I think it could. Literally

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Speaker 2: Well, let me match you with this, right, so let's

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Speaker 2: But I don't I wouldn't cut her out. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but his dad is like, yeah, I know you

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Speaker 2: I'm on board. I'm on board for that because now

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm down for that. Matt.

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Speaker 1: Matt could have a brain injury at birth. You know,

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Speaker 1: no one he's a sociopath.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's an idiot. That's idiot.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Jelly says, oh Sam would use her to his

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Speaker 1: advantage if she was murderous. The what what are you about?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, dude, the comments have been coming for

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Speaker 1: me lately.