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Speaker 1: now your hosts. Brian brought us Jeff Cavanaugh, Kyle Yeoman,
Speaker 1: and David Hellman. Well, I'm like gum on your shoe.
Speaker 1: You can't get rid of me. Brian brought us here
Speaker 1: for the Draft show with my scouting buddy, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Kyle Yeomans are at the Senior Bowl. Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: you planned out opening the show like that, didn't you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the gum on the shoes. I might the gum on
Speaker 1: your shoe. You can't get rid of me. You try
Speaker 1: to peel me off, it gets worse, you said, at
Speaker 1: home all morning and you're like on the shoe. Ah. Man,
Speaker 1: good to have you in studio today. Man, appreciate you.
Speaker 1: We're here. We are here, and it's fun to be
Speaker 1: back as always. It's fun to be at the start.
Speaker 1: It's fun to be able to be in the studios
Speaker 1: again where we've hosted drafts here before. The Draft show
Speaker 1: is such a part of what we do every year,
Speaker 1: and Jeff and I we have our own show Monday
Speaker 1: through Friday, two to seven on one oh five three
Speaker 1: The Fan the g Bag Nation, and this is our
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk draft and we really really do appreciate that.
Speaker 1: We appreciate Derek Eagleton and the Jones family for allowing
Speaker 1: us to do this. Jeff, you know this show is
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Speaker 1: I know that's the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's right, Jeff, So it is Miller time. Okay. As
Speaker 1: we start to get into this a little bit more,
Speaker 1: I've noticed following you on Twitter and by the way,
Speaker 1: what is it, jac one oh five three? Follow that
Speaker 1: man right there? You're starting to look at some offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: aren't you. Yeah. I don't appreciate you telling people that though,
Speaker 1: because you know I hate offensive lineman. Do you hate
Speaker 1: offensive lineman more than quarterbacks? No? I hate quarterbacks the most,
Speaker 1: but offensive linemen actually have come around on it. But
Speaker 1: for so long this team didn't need them, so I
Speaker 1: would just wait till kind of the end. Yep. And
Speaker 1: then this year I'm kind of thinking, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: if I could upgrade at center or if you know,
Speaker 1: I've got a whole at left guard at the moment.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually watching offensive lineman and I'm ashamed of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And as you folks know, again, we're a full service show.
Speaker 1: You we do have a lot of Dallas Cowboys ties.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about offensive lineman, We'll talk about linebackers,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about corners. We you know, if you're a
Speaker 1: fan of another team. If you're a fan of the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, congratulations. You're a fan of Los Angeles Rams,
Speaker 1: congratulations here team your Rams guy doesn't want a draft,
Speaker 1: so you probably aren't gonna be watching our show too much, correct,
Speaker 1: But you do a good job with your homegrown guys.
Speaker 1: As far as for the Dallas Cowboys, are you watching
Speaker 1: offensive lineman because you feel like that's the direction that
Speaker 1: this team needs to address first? Or do you kind
Speaker 1: of see at twenty four this thing being wide open
Speaker 1: where it can be the best available player, which they've
Speaker 1: done the last couple of years. Oh, I think it'll
Speaker 1: be wide open. But I think that there is a
Speaker 1: chance that one of these offensive lineman is the best
Speaker 1: player available, which is the ideal part. Now, Like on
Speaker 1: my YouTube page, I've already begun mock drafts. Yeah so, um,
Speaker 1: but if you want YouTube dot com slash, Jeff con
Speaker 1: if you go, if you want way too many mock
Speaker 1: drafts to where you'll eventually hate mock drafts, that's where
Speaker 1: you want to be. But I do I think, Um,
Speaker 1: Like this morning, I did a video where I think
Speaker 1: I gave eleven names and it's spanned across a lot
Speaker 1: of different positions where I'm like, look, there are going
Speaker 1: to be You're gonna let the twenty three picks in
Speaker 1: front of you decide which one of these guys you're
Speaker 1: going to take. But I could probably give you the
Speaker 1: Cowboys pick. I just need eleven names. Yeah No, And
Speaker 1: you know what more, I'm diving into this draft, Jeff,
Speaker 1: and man, I am further along than I've been in ages.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I you know, when you get down,
Speaker 1: when you're drafting towards the bottom of the board, you
Speaker 1: have to have an aggressive approach on this. And I
Speaker 1: know you've taken aggressive approach. I'm coming after you. Now
Speaker 1: I know exactly that, But I really do feel like
Speaker 1: if you're one of those teams picking down there at
Speaker 1: say twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some good players that fall to you.
Speaker 1: I really really do. I don't think this is one
Speaker 1: of those things where you're going to look up and
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, oh damn, they know, I don't want
Speaker 1: that guy. You know, You're gonna let the teams in
Speaker 1: front of you do what they do. And when you
Speaker 1: get to twenty four, one or two of the names
Speaker 1: that we talk about wanting at twenty four is going
Speaker 1: to be staring in the face. That's what's gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think you have to keep been
Speaker 1: open mind about this thing. And I'm I'm totally on
Speaker 1: board of what they've been doing here the last couple
Speaker 1: of years with it's saying, you know, whether it's a
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb or you know, Michael Parsons, whoever, you know,
Speaker 1: they determine who that best. I think they've done a
Speaker 1: really nice job on that. But you know, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned the offensive lineman because I saw you tweet last
Speaker 1: night about Zion Johnson from Boston College. It's my guy.
Speaker 1: And I was going through the questions for Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty today and I'll just start with this. When
Speaker 1: that Roe asked, he goes, is Zion Johnson or reach
Speaker 1: at twenty four? Okay? So to me, the answer is no,
Speaker 1: he's not. Okay. It's funny because we don't do the
Speaker 1: draft three hundred and sixty five days a year, right,
Speaker 1: So like you could look at where Dane Brugler has
Speaker 1: him or somebody else or all these different simulators, and
Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, he'll always be there at twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And maybe that means I'm a stupid head. But watching
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson last night, this is Boston College Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Measurements here are six oz two six He's just under
Speaker 1: sixty three three hundred fourteen pounds. His arms are almost
Speaker 1: thirty four inches long, so he's built exactly like a guard.
Speaker 1: My theory un scouting players is and if you're out
Speaker 1: there and you enjoy watching and learning the draft is
Speaker 1: type your words your way. Don't try to sound like
Speaker 1: sure what you think you're supposed to sound like. Absolutely, So,
Speaker 1: Like when I'm watching an offensive lineman. What I want
Speaker 1: to know is can he pass protect or not? And
Speaker 1: why can he run block or not? And why yeah?
Speaker 1: And does he look lost? Right? Bam? We just handled it.
Speaker 1: Pass block, run block awareness right down. What you see.
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson at Boston College was left tackle in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: He has a left guard in twenty twenty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he allowed three hurries in three hundred and sixty four
Speaker 1: pass snaps. And the thing that jumped out at me
Speaker 1: is he is one of the best sustainers yeah that
Speaker 1: I've seen. Yea. And by that we mean word it's
Speaker 1: a run play and I'm coming off the ball and
Speaker 1: I'm locking up with this defensive tackle. Yea. And even
Speaker 1: a lot of really really good offensive lineman can't always
Speaker 1: sustain because there's a really good player trying to get
Speaker 1: rid of you, trying to get to the ball. And
Speaker 1: when Zion Johnson locks on, he's on. He's great at sustaining.
Speaker 1: He's not overwhelmingly powerful, yeah, but he's got plenty of anchor.
Speaker 1: He stays connected to the guy he's blocking so well
Speaker 1: in the run game. Flexibility, functional, but not stand out
Speaker 1: as an athlete, just really steady, really good player, very
Speaker 1: aware pass protector. Zion Johnson Boston College to me is
Speaker 1: an option at twenty four. Yeah, I totally agree with
Speaker 1: you on that. We both have talked about Kenyon Green
Speaker 1: though as from Texas, A and M that would be
Speaker 1: the ultimate if you were looking for a To me,
Speaker 1: I don't have Zion Johnson as a first round player.
Speaker 1: I put him as a cheater grade. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: him more as the second round type of a player
Speaker 1: of my own only guard right now that I have
Speaker 1: as Kenyon Green as a first round guy. And you know,
Speaker 1: and I've looked at h Kennard from Kentucky as well.
Speaker 1: I've looked at a kid named Sean Ryan from UCLA.
Speaker 1: I've looked at a kid names uh Salar Salier from
Speaker 1: Georgia US as another guy. But these are guys that
Speaker 1: are all below what I've seen from Kenyon Green. Okay,
Speaker 1: So if you if you, that kind of takes care
Speaker 1: of that though. With you know, we feel like that
Speaker 1: a Green would be the guy would be the best
Speaker 1: pick at that spot if available. I think Green would
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green, they and M guard would be a really
Speaker 1: really good pick if he makes it to twenty four
Speaker 1: night and I think Zion Johnson would be one of
Speaker 1: the names where if it's if you couldn't get one
Speaker 1: of the guys that you were like, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: would go, oh that's fine, Yeah, yeah, I'll take that
Speaker 1: left guard. Yeah and go you were you were last
Speaker 1: night too. You were watching some wide receivers and you
Speaker 1: mentioned one, and again, we're trying to keep a broad
Speaker 1: thing here because we don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys and their wide receiver room and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. You watched Chris o Lovey last night and
Speaker 1: I was always super superhesed a wide receiver from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know there's two receivers there you have
Speaker 1: to catch from Ohio State. Tell me about Chris' lobby,
Speaker 1: because I have him as the last guy for me
Speaker 1: in that in that first round. As far as the
Speaker 1: wide receivers go, I don't think I'll great a love
Speaker 1: as a first rounder. I think him as a two. Okay,
Speaker 1: I like him a lot because I love route runners, right,
Speaker 1: and I think Chris Olove is probably one of the
Speaker 1: best route runners in the country. Right. He was able
Speaker 1: to be incredibly successful as a deep threat at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that he's a burner, right, He's
Speaker 1: not physically intimidating with the ball after the catch. He's
Speaker 1: just a very smooth, polished, good receiver. So like, what
Speaker 1: is that in the NFL? Probably somebody's good number two receiver, right.
Speaker 1: I see a guy who knows how to set up
Speaker 1: defensive backs. He gets to their blind spot. He's really
Speaker 1: good at changing tempos and his routes to throw you off.
Speaker 1: Useful in the screen game, yeah, because he can kind
Speaker 1: of stop and go, but he's not going to run
Speaker 1: through tackles. Smooth, smooth, smooth. Yea great feet and ball tracking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally like I said, I think that you. I
Speaker 1: think you've got the player, Nail. I think there's some
Speaker 1: other things that I kind of like a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I like how he plays in those small areas and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, here's a guy attention to detail.
Speaker 1: He's not just getting one foot down, he's getting two
Speaker 1: feet down. You watched by Okay, we mentioned here that
Speaker 1: you and I are hosting here in studio. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Mobile, Alabama, and again I wanted to get your
Speaker 1: thoughts and those two players that you looked at and
Speaker 1: I really like what you say. Let's go to the
Speaker 1: mobile and our guy, David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: COM's on the scene. David, Good morning, sir, Good morning, buddy.
Speaker 1: Good to hear your voice hosting the Draft show like
Speaker 1: the old day. Well, I appreciate that. Okay, set the
Speaker 1: scene for us from being on the ground immobile right now.
Speaker 1: What do you expect to happen today in some of
Speaker 1: your adventures, Brian, tell me, tell me if this sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: I know you missed this. I missed this a lot, Dave,
Speaker 1: I do it. It's the first day of senior bowld practices,
Speaker 1: which obviously means we get our first look at these guys,
Speaker 1: but from my standpoint, it's also bird dog day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually I had the good fortune I've never had
Speaker 1: to work less hard to run into Will McClay in
Speaker 1: my life. He was like in the first place I
Speaker 1: went last night, and I was kind of talking to him,
Speaker 1: getting getting the lay of the land about where the
Speaker 1: cowboys are going to be, what they're going to be doing.
Speaker 1: It's it's I mean, it's always exciting, but it's even
Speaker 1: more exciting because this is the first like non COVID
Speaker 1: year at the new facility with all of the new
Speaker 1: bells and whistles that they have at South Alabama. The
Speaker 1: Senior Bowls not at Latin People's Stadium anymore. So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, even people that have done this for like
Speaker 1: decades kind of don't know what to expect with this
Speaker 1: new format. So as soon as I get off the
Speaker 1: phone with y'all, I'm going to head out there and
Speaker 1: try to find Will and Stephen, maybe see if they'll
Speaker 1: talk to me about draft stuff and Cowboys stuff, and
Speaker 1: hopefully find some time to watch some of these players. Dave,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have a great history of drafting Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: players and so this, to me, is one of those opportunities.
Speaker 1: Is it because they're seeing these guys live and with
Speaker 1: NFL coaching? Do you think there's a reason why they
Speaker 1: have this history with the Senior Bowl. I've actually we've
Speaker 1: we've talked to Will about that before. If you've listened
Speaker 1: to the show for a while, Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: the chance to see these guys go against the best.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are the best senior players. A lot
Speaker 1: of these guys are going to get drafted and without fail.
Speaker 1: We talked about this last week. The Senior Bowl has
Speaker 1: done such a good job of upping the talent level,
Speaker 1: like there's going to be some NFL studs at these practices,
Speaker 1: and particularly obviously, like you're very small schools, but even
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard comes to mind. Bill talked about him in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Will was enamored with Tony Pollard, and so
Speaker 1: obviously Memphis is a good program. But you come here
Speaker 1: to Mobile and you're going against guys from the best
Speaker 1: of the best, the Alabamas of the world, and showing
Speaker 1: what you can do. I think Will told us he
Speaker 1: told us the story about how Tony got walloped. I
Speaker 1: don't remember. I think it was a run play, I guess,
Speaker 1: and he came back and nailed the guy that hit
Speaker 1: him on the next play with the block, and like
Speaker 1: stuff like that stands out to evaluators. So yeah, they're
Speaker 1: going to be watching, and I think stuff like that
Speaker 1: matters when you have a chance to stack up and
Speaker 1: actually do football things against other good football players. I mean,
Speaker 1: the results speak for themselves. They've drafted eleven of these
Speaker 1: guys in the last four years, I think, I mean
Speaker 1: they leaned toward those guys in tiebreaker situations and Dave.
Speaker 1: You know that Brian's gonna judge you if you're out
Speaker 1: there just doing your job and trying to get stuff
Speaker 1: from Steven and will he wants you scouting the players?
Speaker 1: Is there position groups that you are most tempted to
Speaker 1: check out? My favorite it's and I really did enjoy
Speaker 1: it because I Brian's enthusiasm for the draft is contagious.
Speaker 1: But like every year, I'm out here trying to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on Stephen, trying to figure out of Jerry's here.
Speaker 1: You know, there's other reporters that cover the Cowboys that
Speaker 1: are trying to get those guys. So you've always got
Speaker 1: to be mindful. And Brian and Dane are just sitting
Speaker 1: next to each other just like could not care less
Speaker 1: about that. They're like, oh, look at the hip on
Speaker 1: this corner out of Ohio's great, and I'm just like, yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. And as soon as Steven's done talking to
Speaker 1: the media, I'll be right there with you. But I
Speaker 1: will get yelled at if I don't pay attention to this.
Speaker 1: So That's what I'm in for today. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: I said, especially, I would like to think so the
Speaker 1: first practice starts at eleven thirty and the second one,
Speaker 1: I think starts at two thirty something like that. I
Speaker 1: would like to think I'll be free to watch the
Speaker 1: second practice. Um, I mean, it's always easy to it's
Speaker 1: always easy to watch wide receivers in situations like this,
Speaker 1: it's just very easy to stand out. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try my best to have my have my eyes on
Speaker 1: the lineman just because both both lines feel like areas
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would want to focus on, and it
Speaker 1: seems like there's some good talent here, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to have an eye ou No, And you're absolutely right, Dave.
Speaker 1: And again yeah Daney, and I only looked down at
Speaker 1: you just a little bit, not all the time. We
Speaker 1: just just a little bit. But uh yeah, you mentioned
Speaker 1: that the two sets the line. It's the offensive line
Speaker 1: with guys, you know, with Penny and uh you know,
Speaker 1: and we mentioned Zion Johnson and Kennard and guys like
Speaker 1: that from the offensive side. But then you look at
Speaker 1: the defensive side with Jamay Johnson from Florida State, Camp
Speaker 1: Thomas from South San Diego State, Locan Hall from Houston,
Speaker 1: h Mathis from Alabama. It seems like that these one
Speaker 1: on one drills. If you're gonna focus on something like
Speaker 1: some of this one on one, nine on seven, that's
Speaker 1: how you picked up. You know, you picked up with
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and guys like that in those and those
Speaker 1: one on one drills and stuff. Did you I heard
Speaker 1: y'all talking about Zion when I was waiting for y'all
Speaker 1: to patch me in. Did y'all see the measurements yesterday?
Speaker 1: Did y'all see Trevor Pennings measurements? I've seen Trevor Penning live,
Speaker 1: so I'd imagine it was tall, somewhat heavy and long arms.
Speaker 1: My man has a eighty four inch wingspan. Who's got
Speaker 1: thirty four in six eight arms? Yeah? Well yeah, And
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what, And there's actually some this
Speaker 1: will be some good tape for him because he's men
Speaker 1: among boys at Northern Iowa. Now when he plays against
Speaker 1: Iowa State, there's a little bit a step up in
Speaker 1: weight class for him. But I'm interested in what you
Speaker 1: think about him as as a tackle a prospect as well.
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, it's funny. Could you can sit
Speaker 1: here as a as a cowboy fan and be like,
Speaker 1: why are we talking about a guy from Northern Iowa.
Speaker 1: Like Cowboys aren't They're not going to draft that guy,
Speaker 1: which I would be tempted to agree with you. But again,
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl could be a great equalizer here. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the type of guy that stands to make
Speaker 1: a lot of money if he can come out here
Speaker 1: and you know, shove around some some FBS Power five
Speaker 1: type of guys. So that's what makes this stuff really fun.
Speaker 1: I definitely I want to have a close eye on him, um,
Speaker 1: just to again this is I've already seen him mocked
Speaker 1: as a guy in the Cowboys range of the first round,
Speaker 1: and a good week here could totally solidify that. Dave,
Speaker 1: what do you make about the whole thing with picket
Speaker 1: in the hands and all that stuff? Is that are
Speaker 1: we just making too much about something about nothing? Really?
Speaker 1: This old thing? So if I so he's double jointed
Speaker 1: and that affects the measurement, Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And the thumbs all jump jammed out there forward and
Speaker 1: he puts it closer to the pinky, And how you've
Speaker 1: got a hand that's going to measure at three and
Speaker 1: a quarter inches. Yeah, he's gonna I mean, look, every
Speaker 1: we do this every year, Like every year we freak
Speaker 1: out about something that seems so silly. But all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is like, isn't it a thing that Jared Goff
Speaker 1: kind of struggles when it's went like wet and rainy
Speaker 1: and snowy, Like that is a thing, right, I don't
Speaker 1: know David Joe Burrow has tiny hands, so about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Jeff Jeff defended Golf at the at the Combine.
Speaker 1: If you remember Dave, he stooped at the podium, and
Speaker 1: every time Golf said something, He's like, yeah, tell him,
Speaker 1: tell him, tell him there. Man. He didn't know how
Speaker 1: many hype man hair receptions he had and I told him,
Speaker 1: help him. Hype man over hype man over here at
Speaker 1: the Combine. I think it was. I think it was
Speaker 1: former Chief's offensive tackle Mitchell Schwartz is a really good
Speaker 1: Twitter follow if you don't follow him. He was he
Speaker 1: I think he said it perfectly yesterday. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that stuff matters, but just go watch his tape and
Speaker 1: see how it affects his play. Like the measurement doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Just watch him play. Ye, see if it affects him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've leaned towards that I mean, yeah, Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow does not have big hands and it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to affect him. But and I know we bring this
Speaker 1: up a lot, but i'll'll keep doing it. Brian, we
Speaker 1: talked about this the other day, Like, the most amazing
Speaker 1: thing we've ever seen is that Aaron Rodgers didn't drop
Speaker 1: that ball when Jeffie sacked him in the playoffs. Fire,
Speaker 1: That is amazing. You're right about that minimum not holding
Speaker 1: onto that ball with small hand, dude, I mean not
Speaker 1: at all, not at all saying it doesn't completely not matter, right,
Speaker 1: just like everything during draft season, it kind of David,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, man. Good hunting
Speaker 1: out there. Keep an eye on Jerry Stephen and net crew,
Speaker 1: but then make sure you're watching like Rutger and McBride
Speaker 1: the tight ends too, that they're in the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: as well. All right, do that for me. I'm I'm excited, fellas.
Speaker 1: Next time we talk, I'm gonna have so many notes
Speaker 1: on so many guys. Well, appreciate that again, good David,
Speaker 1: and take care of yourself, right, thank guys. All right,
Speaker 1: that's David Hellman of Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We'll go
Speaker 1: to our first break and we'll come back with some
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Speaker 1: Let's go to some Twitter on the twenty. Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty, Hey, hey, this is where we take your
Speaker 1: questions about out the draft for the panel. Jeffrey and
Speaker 1: I'll do our very best to handle those questions. They say,
Speaker 1: good ones today, We've got a couple of them. Jeff
Speaker 1: got a couple of them. Dan Rodgers wants to know
Speaker 1: Dean at twenty four. He would love but is there
Speaker 1: a second round linebacker? And he mentioned Clark from LSU.
Speaker 1: Have you looked at any linebackers or anything like I
Speaker 1: have seen Devin Lloyd, Nakobe Dean, and Channing Tindall. So no,
Speaker 1: I cannot help you with second round linebackers yet, and
Speaker 1: unlike some people in our industry, yeah, I will not
Speaker 1: lie to your face and say I've watched seven thousand guys.
Speaker 1: I'm up to about thirty and I'm getting three or
Speaker 1: four done a night. Okay, so I can't help you. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: Well I'll talk about Clark then from LSU. And you know,
Speaker 1: to me because he mentioned Clark, and this is a
Speaker 1: guy that's a physical player, I think he'd actually be
Speaker 1: a great fit. He's six three, he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty five pounds. This is a sideline to side line
Speaker 1: player if you're into that stuff. The Cowboys seem like
Speaker 1: they're wanting to draft some bigger linebackers. So Clark, Damon
Speaker 1: Clark from LSU would be a guy that I would
Speaker 1: look at. I don't see him used much in pass coverage,
Speaker 1: but what he is like, he is a downhill player.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of violence to his game. I have
Speaker 1: this guy in the second round as a because I
Speaker 1: like the way and I'm not just saying because an
Speaker 1: LSU guy. But you don't see this guy get caught
Speaker 1: up in trash and bodies and a large guy. He
Speaker 1: moves so well, so easily. He was a leader on
Speaker 1: the defense that really needed one. LSU didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of things that they really can hang their hat on.
Speaker 1: But this, this guy, I could see all this physicality
Speaker 1: that he plays with carrying over to the NFL. I'll
Speaker 1: also throw you another name of a guy, Chad Mama
Speaker 1: ying Wyoming. Yeah, and and with Chad, this is another
Speaker 1: one of those guys. He's sick two, he's two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty six pounds. I have him more of a
Speaker 1: third round guy, but this is a relentless guy. Just
Speaker 1: when you think this guy might be out of the play,
Speaker 1: he finds a way to make a play. He has
Speaker 1: a nose for the ball. He's not gonna wow you
Speaker 1: with this athletic ability, and there's but there's some sneakiness
Speaker 1: to his game as an outstanding wrap up tackler, super
Speaker 1: productive for the Wyoming Cowboys, disruptive as a blitzer. I
Speaker 1: know you always talk about guys Jeff that can really
Speaker 1: really rush cover. He can, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He could read his keys really well and gets the
Speaker 1: ball really quickly. So kind of like a couple of
Speaker 1: guys to keep an eye on there if Dean. In fact,
Speaker 1: we all agree that Dean would be Uh, what did
Speaker 1: you you said you watched Lloyd from Utah? What did
Speaker 1: you do? What did you do? You you like? I
Speaker 1: prefer Dean. Prefer Dean. Okay, I like them both. I
Speaker 1: think they're both going to be picked in the first
Speaker 1: round and I both deserving of that. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: I think that Nikobe Dean is a super charge ed
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton. Yeah, and we loved Nick Bolton last year, right,
Speaker 1: and it makes a bunch of plays for Kansas City.
Speaker 1: So it's a guy who's not real big, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's super smart. He process as fast as hell, he
Speaker 1: puts teammates in the right spot. And then, in Dean's case,
Speaker 1: he's also an incredible athlete who blitz is really well.
Speaker 1: I love Nikobe Dean. I like Devin Lloyd. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the bigger guy. He also had a bunch of backfield production.
Speaker 1: He could cover tight ends for you. I think Devin
Speaker 1: Lloyd is probably the better cover linebacker and Dean is
Speaker 1: probably the better attacking linebacker. Yeah, okay, I you know what.
Speaker 1: I I love them both, and I think you've got
Speaker 1: I think you've got Lloyd, right, I think if you
Speaker 1: were going for the bigger guy man, I was watching again,
Speaker 1: I was watching. I was watching the offensive tackle at
Speaker 1: Georgia last night, and uh no, I was watching who
Speaker 1: was it? It was? I was watching somebody, but it
Speaker 1: was George. I was watching, watching Brian. I was trying
Speaker 1: to think of who I was a sawyer, Yeah, I was,
Speaker 1: but I was watching. Something came up on George's defense.
Speaker 1: Dean like made every single tackle. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I kept seeing
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was watching something and that was like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my favorite thing about na Kobe Dean is he makes
Speaker 1: every single tackle. Yeah, and usually he has to run
Speaker 1: around a teammate to do it because he reacts so
Speaker 1: much quicker and then just in his way, so he
Speaker 1: has to go around another I think I was watching
Speaker 1: somebody at Michigan and it it just showed up. But okay,
Speaker 1: Johnny Condrad, I think I said that right, Johnny khan
Speaker 1: Rand He asked with Dan Quinn, stay in, is Dan
Speaker 1: going to influence a defensive pick in the first round
Speaker 1: or you think this thing is going to go BPA
Speaker 1: at either position? The wild card there is that dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's not the only one with a big voice, right right.
Speaker 1: All the coaches in this organization tend to have a
Speaker 1: big voice. So like, I don't think dan Quinn is
Speaker 1: going to be in the room strong arm in it
Speaker 1: and say no, my guy. But will dan Quinn have
Speaker 1: an influence on what they think of players and what
Speaker 1: they're looking for in their players. Absolutely so. I think
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about defensive backs with dan Quinn here,
Speaker 1: think about length, think about probably not small guys, probably
Speaker 1: long arms. When you're thinking about linebackers and dan Quinn's here,
Speaker 1: think about flying, think about rallying, think about forty times.
Speaker 1: I think dan Quinn wants guys who are long in
Speaker 1: the secondary and fast underneath. So he'll have influence in
Speaker 1: that way if you're trying to figure out who the
Speaker 1: Cowboys may be targeting length in the secondary, speed underneath.
Speaker 1: Is there a side of you that with dan that
Speaker 1: and you talk about with the with the way you
Speaker 1: just said things, and we just had a tweet ask
Speaker 1: us about Jordan Davis, the tackle. I know we mentioned him.
Speaker 1: Are you are you interested in taking a two down
Speaker 1: player at twenty four or? I mean, because to me
Speaker 1: and and we have another question about Somebody asked me
Speaker 1: about Trade Davis on Twitter. Asked me about Matthis from Alabama,
Speaker 1: and to me, Matthis is more of a guy that
Speaker 1: would play I think every down as opposed to just
Speaker 1: Davis being a two down player. Do you think he
Speaker 1: would be? Yeah, this is going to be an interesting
Speaker 1: defensive tackle class because I think so many teams and
Speaker 1: if I had a team, I would prioritize the ever
Speaker 1: living stuff out of finding interior guys who can pressure
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And in this class, I don't really have
Speaker 1: one that I love in the first round, like de
Speaker 1: Marvin Leeale at Texas A and m has the physical
Speaker 1: traits to do it, but I haven't seen him consistently
Speaker 1: do it. Jordan Davis is three hundred and sixty pounds
Speaker 1: and he is what he is. He's a mountain. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna move. I think there is a lot of
Speaker 1: value and being able to stop the run with fewer
Speaker 1: numbers and drop a bunch of dudes into coverage. We're
Speaker 1: seeing that a lot in the NFL. Yeah, and Jordan
Speaker 1: Davis could be a big part of that for a
Speaker 1: team if he has picked in the first round. Understand it,
Speaker 1: but I think I would prioritize pass rush so much
Speaker 1: that if you don't add to my team in either
Speaker 1: pass rush or coverage, it would be hard for me
Speaker 1: to get excited about the first round pick. So let's
Speaker 1: say the Cowboys picked Jordan Davis. My official stance would
Speaker 1: be probably would have gone a different direction there. Now,
Speaker 1: once we get that out of the way, are you
Speaker 1: excited that Jordan Davis is on your team? Absolutely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I would probably rather pick somebody who affects passing down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And this is why you know,
Speaker 1: Phildarian think math is from Alabama. Have you a chance
Speaker 1: to see him at all? Or I watched him before
Speaker 1: the title game, so I have a very little idea. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Well to me, okay, here's a guy that's six hundred
Speaker 1: sixty four three twenty and really super stout at the
Speaker 1: point of attack, and much like Davis, you know, hard
Speaker 1: guy to move and stuff like that. But I see
Speaker 1: that initial quick move, that surge. It's him into the
Speaker 1: blocker quickly you could disengage. He's powerful. I just see
Speaker 1: a better pass rusher. And maybe that's where if you're saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Davis is a he's gonna push the pocket and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be disrupted that way. Great. I kind of see
Speaker 1: matthis as a guy that's big, can play the run,
Speaker 1: can push the pocket, but also can disengage and get
Speaker 1: get to another spot. Is what. So if you were
Speaker 1: if you were telling me that I could have my
Speaker 1: choice between one or the other, I think I would
Speaker 1: take Matthis over Davis in this case, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I would just wait till the second round and see
Speaker 1: what's there. Yeah, I agree with because I'm throwing the
Speaker 1: name Davante Wyatt, Jordan Davis's teammate. Yeah, he's what three
Speaker 1: ten and twelve pounds, incredible get off just not the
Speaker 1: down end down out, you know, dominating the point and
Speaker 1: getting a ton of pressures, but he shows you some
Speaker 1: of the things that you want from a pass rusher. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like that to me, the
Speaker 1: second round is more so for that position than maybe
Speaker 1: the first round. I would trade number twenty four and
Speaker 1: my second round pick if you promised me that a
Speaker 1: year from now I can have Georgia's sophomore defensive tackle
Speaker 1: Jawen Carter. You're learning of eight years of doing this
Speaker 1: number eighty eight at Georgia. It's gonna be a top
Speaker 1: ten pick next year. He is a monster at detail.
Speaker 1: You've learned something that I learned way way back in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two when I first started watching, like Florida
Speaker 1: State in Miami play and you're supposed to be watching
Speaker 1: a defensive end from Florida State, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're watching a defensive tackle that's a freshman
Speaker 1: or a sophomore. Yeah, and you're like, you made all
Speaker 1: the plays. I used to go, Hey, I go, hey,
Speaker 1: U Dorsey, who's that guy? Oh, don't worry about him.
Speaker 1: He's only a sophomore. Yeah, I'm like, worry about him
Speaker 1: next year. Oh yeah, So that was always the way
Speaker 1: it was. Okay, Cowboy Chuck, He asked, is it too
Speaker 1: early to really to address the left tackle spot for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? I feel like people have been asking this
Speaker 1: question for at least the last two years. It's so
Speaker 1: hard because are you getting to the point where it
Speaker 1: would make sense too? Yeah, But if the guy that
Speaker 1: you pick to do it can't start for you at
Speaker 1: say left guard, then if Tyrn's here unhealthy, your first
Speaker 1: round pick is gonna watch football. Yeah, And not just
Speaker 1: this year. He would watch football forever and until Tyrant
Speaker 1: has hurt or gone. So, like, I understand that you
Speaker 1: want to solidify that and a lot of people want
Speaker 1: to know what's next. And you know, Tyran's generally speaking
Speaker 1: gonna miss some games. But if you're invested in a
Speaker 1: first round pick, you better be able to play guard
Speaker 1: because otherwise, if Tyran plays seventeen, you're going to have
Speaker 1: your first round pick watch seventeen games. Yeah, I man,
Speaker 1: I think last year was my year of trying to
Speaker 1: get a guy that could play guard and then if
Speaker 1: I had to move him to tackle, but I knew
Speaker 1: I would potentially have like a a Pro Bowl type
Speaker 1: guard until my tackle was ready. Kenyon Green maybe he
Speaker 1: played left tackle, right tackle, left guard, right guard. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch a left tackle game of his, but I'm
Speaker 1: watched him play guard, and I watched him play right tackle,
Speaker 1: and the dude can play. Do you feel like that
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green is a guy that he's a guard, he's
Speaker 1: a card, he's a guard, he has a guard. I
Speaker 1: can play with him a tackle and get by. He's
Speaker 1: a guards, an NFL guard. That's what I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: Is it more important to have the guard as it
Speaker 1: is to have the tackle right today, yes, today, because
Speaker 1: you want to win the Super Bowl next year. That's
Speaker 1: your goal, right right right, And for every Cowboy fans
Speaker 1: like they're not gonna win or whatever, your goal is
Speaker 1: to go in and left guard is where currently you
Speaker 1: have nothing unless you're moving somebody right now, there's nothing
Speaker 1: there McGovern. That's kind of what's there. You need a
Speaker 1: left guard, left tackle. You would like a guy to
Speaker 1: make you feel better for in case a guy misses games.
Speaker 1: Left guard, you need a guy. Yeah, would you rather
Speaker 1: how about this one? Would you rather have the center
Speaker 1: Linda Bomb or have a guy that could play guard
Speaker 1: end tackle? I like Tyler linder Bomb way too much.
Speaker 1: So my answer is Linderbomb. I think he's Jason Kelsey. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play in a bunch of Pro Bowls. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be an All Pro U. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, I think Tyler Linderbaum is a stud,
Speaker 1: stud stud. Is he better than any tackle that you
Speaker 1: could pick or any uh? Is that so valuable? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That I think right. If you had to say what
Speaker 1: order would you pick offensive linemen in this draft, I'd
Speaker 1: probably go Evan Neil I, Linder bamb and then either
Speaker 1: Charles Cross yeah, Penning, Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of
Speaker 1: I think I think he got I mean, I I
Speaker 1: like Cross the best out of that. And then you know,
Speaker 1: Quan Wu. I think that's the one that I think
Speaker 1: that's the one. He might be the first one taken.
Speaker 1: When it's all moves humans like you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: be able to do, right, that is the most powerful dude. Ye,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. You're just still now, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: But we know the cowboys, I kind of feel going
Speaker 1: to the top. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if you have
Speaker 1: to dress the offensive line, I think there's some options there. Okay,
Speaker 1: Matt Corner wants to know. And I don't think you've
Speaker 1: looked at any tight ends, right yo, sir, I do
Speaker 1: not believe him. Okay, Matt Corner, he asked me. Then
Speaker 1: I picked the question. He has sawn Ohio State one
Speaker 1: catch a ball. When I was watching the receivers last night,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Rucker is the guy's name is the tight end
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like though that he was
Speaker 1: asking if Rucker was a third or second or third
Speaker 1: round guy. I kind of have him more in them
Speaker 1: in that third round range. But do you think that
Speaker 1: there's a group of tight I do? I do, I do.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you a guy that you
Speaker 1: need to keep an eye on. There's a kid named
Speaker 1: Kadeton out of Washington, and he was banged up a
Speaker 1: little bit this season and he got the COVID and
Speaker 1: he missed a couple of games that way. But when
Speaker 1: you watch him play, this is a super productive weapon.
Speaker 1: And then this kid can actually block, and so I'm
Speaker 1: kind of interested tight end. No, No, this kid can
Speaker 1: actually block. But this guy's a weapon. And they line
Speaker 1: him up all over the place and he'll run routes
Speaker 1: from all these spots and he'll stick his nose in there.
Speaker 1: Like I talked about, he's a fit position blocker. He
Speaker 1: gets movement with his feet and the way he does it,
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like he was better in line
Speaker 1: than on the wing. When he was on the move.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was as good a blocker when
Speaker 1: they asked him to do the come inside, do a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. When he had to go face up
Speaker 1: and hit somebody in the you know, block him head up,
Speaker 1: he was. He was good. He's tough after catch, he
Speaker 1: catches the ball in his hands. I didn't see the
Speaker 1: one time where he missed the ball. I'm watching Michigan,
Speaker 1: watching UCLA. He's not missing the ball. This guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's flexible in the way he plays. So keep an
Speaker 1: eye on if this team. Kay dot and I'll talk
Speaker 1: about Jeremy Rucker, the gentleman. You saw it from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I think by the way that I think that Jalen Widemeyer,
Speaker 1: the Texas A and M tight end, is the first
Speaker 1: tight end in the draft, and then you've got all
Speaker 1: these other guys underneath. But the thing with Rucker that
Speaker 1: I saw is another confident hands catcher. But he's not
Speaker 1: really fleet of foot, you know. I kind of thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, he gets old. You ever write the word lumbering.
Speaker 1: I never wrote that down. I wrote would not call
Speaker 1: him fleet of foot, but I did say he managed
Speaker 1: to get open. I thought he was a good finisher
Speaker 1: when the ball was near him, efficient run after catch,
Speaker 1: but you know, nothing for nothing that would make me
Speaker 1: feel like It's kind of like the guys you're watching
Speaker 1: now for the Cowboys. You know, when you watch them play,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, they catch the ball, they get up
Speaker 1: the field, but not the most fleet of foot, not
Speaker 1: the most fleet of foot at all. So but I think,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Jeff, I think there's I
Speaker 1: think there's four or five tight ends that I've seen
Speaker 1: already that if you're a Dallas Cowboy fan and you're interested,
Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, we're gonna Tray McBride's. Another guy mentioned
Speaker 1: him to Hellman, that's a Colorado State guy. Those guys
Speaker 1: can just come in and compete with Jarwin and McEwen
Speaker 1: and go. They might be even, they might even beat
Speaker 1: like if you're talking like third and fourth round guys
Speaker 1: with what you did with Schultz. Guys are the same
Speaker 1: thing to me, and maybe a little bit Schultz while
Speaker 1: to get going though you know it, Schultz wasn't too
Speaker 1: happy with me because I reminded people that it took
Speaker 1: him time to get going. Yeah you know, I mean
Speaker 1: it took him what three years to be a productive
Speaker 1: NFL tight end. So you're you're you're do you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys just don't even need to Okay, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. I hate tight ends, Brian. I would
Speaker 1: just play another receiver. But right now, like you have
Speaker 1: Jarwin under contract, and I think Jarwin and Schultz and
Speaker 1: whoever else, like Spider Man meme, they're just time you
Speaker 1: you're me. Yeah, if if you just just keep Jarwin
Speaker 1: unless you need to save money and lose him too,
Speaker 1: but just Jarwin's your tight end. Bringing another guy if
Speaker 1: they like mckewan, great, and and see what happens if
Speaker 1: you want to use a mid round okay, t end
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had another question then, and I didn't
Speaker 1: pull it because it was a quarterback question. Fourth round
Speaker 1: tight end, fourth round quarterback, because you're tight end, because
Speaker 1: I think, and you know, this team kind of bucks
Speaker 1: this trend. And Tom Brady just retired as a sixth
Speaker 1: round pick. But for the most part, I need to
Speaker 1: go back and get those notes. By the way, for
Speaker 1: the most part, if you're drafting a fourth round quarterback,
Speaker 1: you're lighting a pick on fire. They're you know, the
Speaker 1: potential payoff, I guess to teams is kind of worth it.
Speaker 1: But what dak undrafted Romo Tom Brady in the sixth
Speaker 1: Outside of that, they know or to pick quarterbacks. Quarterbacks
Speaker 1: get picked in the first round or back in the
Speaker 1: day if they were small or something, maybe in the
Speaker 1: second I think fourth round you might find an NFL
Speaker 1: starter at tight end, the odds of finding a starting
Speaker 1: quarterback or I guess what would your goal be to
Speaker 1: see if you can find a back up. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, what happens. That's so I was just kind
Speaker 1: of thinking, yeah, I don't hate that. I guess it's
Speaker 1: such a big lottery ticket if you know, if you
Speaker 1: don't if you don't like tight ends. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you were a general manager of a team and
Speaker 1: you're not a big fan of take in a third
Speaker 1: or fourth round tight end, I'm trying to gauge, would
Speaker 1: you take a quarterback at that spot instead of taking
Speaker 1: a tight end that you think it's like, ah, I
Speaker 1: might hit on this tight end. Yeah, I wouldn't hate it,
Speaker 1: because I mean, even you know, fourth round, your odds
Speaker 1: of hitting on anything or probably below fifty percent quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be way lower, but the potential payoff is
Speaker 1: way higher. So we're just doing gambling, playing gambling odds.
Speaker 1: When you look at your board right now, of the
Speaker 1: players you've you've looked at so far, let me get it.
Speaker 1: And I know you really like the center. I know
Speaker 1: you like green I know you have some guys. Is
Speaker 1: there somebody that we're we haven't been talking about that
Speaker 1: You're like, listen, man, this guy might not be a
Speaker 1: first round guy, but I would hit him in the
Speaker 1: second if if you could get it. That kind of guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those guys like your favorite player that's not
Speaker 1: a first round player, or if you just looked at
Speaker 1: all first round players. No, I've looked at guys that
Speaker 1: aren't first round players, but then the ones who aren't
Speaker 1: first round players kind of jump out. I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: I don't think you could get him with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: second round pick. Hell, maybe he does sneak into the
Speaker 1: first round. I really like Jiquon Brisker, the Penn State safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it depends what happens at safety, right, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: think about like I thought Taylor Rapp was a good prospect.
Speaker 1: I thought one Thornhill was a good prospect, and they
Speaker 1: go like in the fifties and sixties, If that happened
Speaker 1: to Jaquon Brisker at Penn State, I'm in. I just
Speaker 1: think he's such a steady, good player that's versatile, physical,
Speaker 1: can cover all those different things. I like him. Daxton Hill,
Speaker 1: the Michigan safety is probably going earlier than that. So
Speaker 1: would you take him in twenty four? You could one
Speaker 1: of my last resorts. Yeah, yeah, is he if you
Speaker 1: get wiped out guy? Yeah, he and I would probably
Speaker 1: take Zion Johnson. Yes, I wiped out guy ahead of
Speaker 1: Daxton Hill. Yeah, but I think those are the sort
Speaker 1: of Michigan safety, right Daxton Hill, Yeah, Michigan safety. And
Speaker 1: he's interesting because, first of all, he can fly. And
Speaker 1: if the team runs three wide receivers are more he
Speaker 1: plays the nickel. If they run two, he plays safety.
Speaker 1: So you get versatility you gotta do. They can fly,
Speaker 1: that's not afraid to be physical, that can cover. Daxton
Speaker 1: Hill is a good player. When I first saw Daxton Hill,
Speaker 1: I thought he was Dallas's pick at twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I first watched him, and that's when, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was really early in my evaluation. But I think
Speaker 1: you got him. Name. Is there anybody else that you're
Speaker 1: kind of you kind of really like that maybe that
Speaker 1: you could get because you did a good job with
Speaker 1: the Deebo Samuels and getting guys early on radars, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna end up loving a bunch of wide receivers. I'm sure,
Speaker 1: and I bet second and third round is a place
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys will be interested. So I'll find them
Speaker 1: right now. I've just watched Olave and Garrett Wilson Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I've watched Jamison Williams and John Metchi at Alabama. What
Speaker 1: about MITCHI Where where does he fit? So I would
Speaker 1: be getting ready for the title game? Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I watched a little bit of him. But I like
Speaker 1: John Metchi. I think the guys who have a nice
Speaker 1: ability to sort of chop their feet, make good breaks,
Speaker 1: run nice routes. He's got some moves after the catch.
Speaker 1: It's a tough runner. Uh, we'll see. I think John
Speaker 1: Metchi's probably a second or third rounder. And as I
Speaker 1: get through these wide receivers, I'll put them in order
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find one. We'll have a pizza party guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there'll be a pizza party wide receiver. Do you see
Speaker 1: the depth at wide receiver that you've seen in the
Speaker 1: past or you just kind of like, I don't know
Speaker 1: about all. I don't know yet. Guys, right, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: top guys are injured. You got and like I've watched
Speaker 1: four guys, three of them are probably gonna be top
Speaker 1: fifty picks right, plus the Arkansas guys gonna be a
Speaker 1: top fifty pick. So like it seems like I'm not
Speaker 1: blown away by the top of the draft. Like Jameson
Speaker 1: Williams is a good player, Garrett Wilson is a good player.
Speaker 1: I don't know that either one is ever going to
Speaker 1: be an NFL number one. I know they're gonna help.
Speaker 1: I know they're gonna help a football team. But I'm
Speaker 1: not blown away at the top. But I feel like
Speaker 1: there might be a whole bunch of really good receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna tell you a guy that
Speaker 1: I'm kind of falling in love with. And he happens
Speaker 1: to be a defensive end. And you know this is
Speaker 1: you know when you start to George Karloftis I love Carloft? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is that him? I know, I think it's probably too earlier.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on this. Germaine Johnson at a Florida State.
Speaker 1: I watched him last night. What do you think. I
Speaker 1: think that he's got a really good defensive end body,
Speaker 1: like what two sixty six four or whatever? Yeah, right now?
Speaker 1: And he um he's so hand dependent, but he's good
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, like whether it's run game or pass Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't see a bunch of like snatch offensive linemen
Speaker 1: to throw him right, I see a lot of yeah,
Speaker 1: fight right, beat him right, go. Yeah. And that's his
Speaker 1: outside pass rush. That's his to get free in the
Speaker 1: run game. It's kind of Peter Powder Beach hands go
Speaker 1: you got him. I'm glad you watched him. I really am,
Speaker 1: because I think you described it perfect with the way
Speaker 1: that the hands and stuff like that. But you mentioned
Speaker 1: karloftis if he's there at twenty fools pinball just pop, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's per due. I mean these defensive ends, I think
Speaker 1: there's some really some good ones. I like what I
Speaker 1: like what I've seen with with these defensive ends so far. Okay,
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the Draft Show. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us here along with Jeff and all um. Jeff, did
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Speaker 1: going hard, let's go to Mobile, Alabama. Call Omens joins
Speaker 1: the program. Kyle, Welcome to the Draft Show again. How
Speaker 1: are things in Mobile for you? You know it's great,
Speaker 1: but it's just not the same without you guys here.
Speaker 1: I wish you guys were a part of this, just
Speaker 1: as as I know you guys would love to be
Speaker 1: out here as well. Well. You know the thing about
Speaker 1: an in studio guy, Jeff. Jeff doesn't. Jeff doesn't like
Speaker 1: the conditions sometimes because Jeff will under dress for you know,
Speaker 1: like the event. So I think when I went to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, I slept on Machoda's floor. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm good with I'm good with being in studio and
Speaker 1: going home. You know that's fine. Well, here's here's the
Speaker 1: thing that you would love right now is and you
Speaker 1: guys know as well as anybody, braving the elements is
Speaker 1: usually a part of the Senior Bowl. We just arrived
Speaker 1: to the stadium. There's barely any wind, it's partly cloudy,
Speaker 1: and it's sixty five degrees. So oh yeah, oh no,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll have some good days there at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Good days, okay, as long as the rain stays off
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, yeah, no, you're right about that.
Speaker 1: The rains day way rain for sure, all right, Kyle.
Speaker 1: We talked to Hellman earlier. He had a kind of
Speaker 1: a plan for like watching Jerry, and I think you
Speaker 1: guys are probably going to let him handle that. You're
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on the players, particular position, Is there
Speaker 1: a particular player, Is there somebody you're trying to kind
Speaker 1: of get an idea of like, Okay, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: eyes on him and see if size matches what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing on tape. Yeah, it kind of goes back. And
Speaker 1: I heard Hellman's call early on, and when you guys
Speaker 1: were mentioning Trevor Pinning and some of those those measurement deals,
Speaker 1: that was kind of where I was headed as well.
Speaker 1: But I would say offensive defensive line is certainly going
Speaker 1: to be the focal point because just kind of how
Speaker 1: we talked about last week in our preview of everything,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be really the biggest mindset I think for
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans as they want to improve, they want to
Speaker 1: get more physical in the trenches, whether it's stopping the
Speaker 1: run or blocking for the run on offense. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm gonna have my eyes today. And
Speaker 1: it was also funny you guys were talking about Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard and kind of going back to his senior bowld
Speaker 1: days and how he stuck out to Will McClay and such.
Speaker 1: I just have a gut feeling, and I know Jeff
Speaker 1: is gonna love this. I have a gut feeling that
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a wide receiver prospect that starts to
Speaker 1: catch eyes of Cowboys fans throughout the week, and that
Speaker 1: we kind of look at as, oh, maybe this guy
Speaker 1: out of Memphis, Calvin austin the third or a Khalil
Speaker 1: Shakier out of Boise State and Alec Pierce out of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: like just random guy is gonna come up in these
Speaker 1: one on ones against these these top level dbs and
Speaker 1: then it's gonna show out and actually really rise up
Speaker 1: draft board. So I know, I kind of pushed away
Speaker 1: the possibility a couple of weeks ago in our first
Speaker 1: draft show of drafting wide receiver early on. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's still a first round conversation, but second and
Speaker 1: third round wide receivers I think are going to be
Speaker 1: a hot commodity, and I think a couple of those
Speaker 1: are here in Mobile. Nobody ever still let me have fun,
Speaker 1: Like all I want to do. I just want to
Speaker 1: pick a receiver every year, and this year everybody's contracts
Speaker 1: are up, so we might pick two of them. We're
Speaker 1: going to find a pizza party. Guy, do you have
Speaker 1: anybody like you mentioned the measurements and all that yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I saw it going up and down the timeline
Speaker 1: and people being like, oh, my goodness, look at these
Speaker 1: physical specimens. Is there anything about that that sort of
Speaker 1: jumped out at you jumped off the page, you went, Oh,
Speaker 1: probably need to see that guy. I mean, other than
Speaker 1: the Kinney Pickett story, because I was even on the
Speaker 1: fan last night with the nosebleed seats some of your
Speaker 1: toe workers and they asked me that same question. And
Speaker 1: I hadn't even seen the measurements of Kenny Pickett and
Speaker 1: the double joint at thumb and that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: at that point, so that one definitely sticks out. Nothing
Speaker 1: else really was there from me that really kind was
Speaker 1: on the table as a hell man, that's something that
Speaker 1: I need to kind of look at. I'm more of
Speaker 1: just looking at the football and looking at the tape
Speaker 1: and guys on the field this week and how they
Speaker 1: kind of match up against really good competition and scouting them,
Speaker 1: and then kind of going back and looking at the
Speaker 1: measurements because I kind of combined the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: then of course the combine later on as those of
Speaker 1: official measurements back and forth. So I really am I'm
Speaker 1: excited to just kind of get out of here finally
Speaker 1: back boots on the ground again for the first time
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty and get to see a lot of
Speaker 1: these prospects go one on one. Kyle, some of the
Speaker 1: fan base wants you to find him a quarterback down there,
Speaker 1: So is that what you're up to. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna find the Cowboys a quarterback, but there
Speaker 1: are a couple of good ones down here. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, this isn't a strong quarterback
Speaker 1: class we've been used to. It's really not. I like
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett as kind of the top guy in that category,
Speaker 1: and maybe a guy who could go in the middle
Speaker 1: of the first round, but you're not going to see
Speaker 1: a run on quarterbacks until maybe the end of the
Speaker 1: first end of the second I mentioned this on the
Speaker 1: radio last night as well. But Malik willis out of
Speaker 1: how to liftee. I got to see him live. I
Speaker 1: called a game of his or you're in the regular season.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have an offensive line, yeah, or at least
Speaker 1: he didn't at Liberty. But he has a strong arm,
Speaker 1: he has mobility, he has decision making. Sometimes sometimes he
Speaker 1: kind of pressed the issue because of the lack of
Speaker 1: an offensive line and the lack of time to throw.
Speaker 1: I want to see him go up behind a five
Speaker 1: man front of a stud offensive line and really see
Speaker 1: what he can do in some of these team drills
Speaker 1: throughout the week. I think he, along with Sam Howe,
Speaker 1: the quarterback out of North Carolina, if they have a
Speaker 1: good week, they could potentially move into that first round
Speaker 1: conversation with a Picket and maybe a Matt Corral and
Speaker 1: guys like that, because I think that quarterback spot in
Speaker 1: that position group is just so wide open right now.
Speaker 1: Do you think the thing with Willis's I mean the
Speaker 1: measurements a lot of these quarterbacks were under six one.
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother scouts anymore, doesn't. I mean we're in
Speaker 1: a day and age where you could be five nine,
Speaker 1: five ten whatever, they'll still get drafted right at high,
Speaker 1: high level. Yeah, it kind of goes back to that
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray conversation that we've always had, and I
Speaker 1: know we've had for the last couple of years. Is
Speaker 1: it kind of opened the door and said, hey, there's
Speaker 1: there's a chance for shorter quarterbacks to still have success.
Speaker 1: That that old mindset is kind of gone out the window.
Speaker 1: But even even then, I still think there is a
Speaker 1: legitimate worry with that kind of thing because you have
Speaker 1: to make adjustments. The Cardinals had to make adjustments whenever
Speaker 1: they drafted Kyler Murray with their offensive front, they had
Speaker 1: to find a way to make him successful. So there's
Speaker 1: a couple of dominoes that need to fall in. Yet
Speaker 1: Willis is right on that threshold of kind of being
Speaker 1: a little bit undersized but also still a strong arm
Speaker 1: and a talented player at the same time, So I
Speaker 1: don't know if there will be a big mindset with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, even Sam Howell was just barely over Aylo too,
Speaker 1: so he was barely over that six foot realm as well.
Speaker 1: So you've got a couple of smaller quarterbacks, so it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they stand up against some
Speaker 1: of those those taller guys that have gone in years past,
Speaker 1: because they just don't have that this year. Kyle, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for hanging out with us. Good hunting at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and you guys enjoy it and we'll
Speaker 1: see when you get back to first Goo. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks guys, look forward to Senil next week. All right,
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's he was on our show on the Draft
Speaker 1: Show from Immobile. It's so we talk about quarterbacks. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady retiring today as we broadcast here. Yeah, you want
Speaker 1: to hear my two favorite tweets on the subject, Go ahead,
Speaker 1: This is from Fox twenty nine and Philly. Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: known for dropping a pass in Super Bowl fifty two
Speaker 1: and failing to shake Nick Fole's hand, has announced his
Speaker 1: retirement from the NFL. There you go, And there was
Speaker 1: another one in New York that did the same bit,
Speaker 1: only even better. Tom Brady, who lost two Super Bowls
Speaker 1: to the Giants during his legendary twenty two year NFL career,
Speaker 1: retires those of those two media outlets that was that's
Speaker 1: crazy local TV people in Philly and the Giants. What
Speaker 1: are we to come? Okay, just take shots on the way.
Speaker 1: Take yourself back if you were in And I know
Speaker 1: the story about how Tom Brady got drafted, and it
Speaker 1: was it was he looked like me with his shirt off.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, you know, tom Brady, not physically impressed.
Speaker 1: I need to go back and get all my draft
Speaker 1: notes now about him from the days of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But I remember, I remember the story about there was
Speaker 1: Scott Peeley was the running the draft for the Patriots
Speaker 1: at the time, and he goes in and he tells
Speaker 1: Dick raybin the quarterback coach. He said, hey, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: about to draft you a guy here in the sixth round.
Speaker 1: You know who do you have an idea of anybody
Speaker 1: you want? You know, somebody to work with. And Dick
Speaker 1: Raybine at the time goes, there's this kid at Michigan
Speaker 1: named Brady, and he goes, if you want, if you
Speaker 1: really want to draft me somebody I'd love to work with,
Speaker 1: please pick Tom Brady, and so so guy Scott Pioli.
Speaker 1: Scott Pioli then went and said, okay, we'll hand that
Speaker 1: card in and higo pick one ninety nine. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: gets picked in the sixth round, but it was Dick Raybine,
Speaker 1: who's the coach, and he passed away after Brady's second
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I believe he passed away, but he was
Speaker 1: the guy. And you talk about how fate changes in
Speaker 1: a draft, or how things change in a draft to
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden like hey, we're here, we're
Speaker 1: looking for trades. Who do you want? Yeah, And that
Speaker 1: just goes to show you too. Just don't throw away
Speaker 1: a pick, No, you know, don't just throw away a
Speaker 1: pick while you want more darts. Yeah, just don't you know,
Speaker 1: take us sometimes sometimes an organization. Absolutely, it does. It does.
Speaker 1: Just think about Scott Pioli saying, Okay, we'll take your
Speaker 1: guy and and and you look at now and you know,
Speaker 1: twenty some odd years later you see what you have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the commissioner saying one of the greatest career blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. You know all that stuff. So it just
Speaker 1: shows you the draft. If you're sitting there in the
Speaker 1: first round, the sixth round of the seventh round, again,
Speaker 1: it might matter a lot. Don't throw away picks. It
Speaker 1: might matter. Don't throw away picks. Jeffrey, thanks for joining
Speaker 1: missus today. As I appreciate yep, as we as we
Speaker 1: say goodbye here, uh Thursday, we'll have to see about
Speaker 1: our show because again hellman Kyle traveling. If you're following
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Speaker 1: might get really really cold, it might get really really nasty.
Speaker 1: We'll see what if, in fact we can get to
Speaker 1: the facility in order to have a show. But kind
Speaker 1: of to get a tractor at that'd be great. I'd
Speaker 1: love a ride anything to talk about the draft, but
Speaker 1: figured but kind of keep an eye on, keep an
Speaker 1: eye on what's going on. We'll make announcements about the
Speaker 1: show and all that stuff like that. So as we
Speaker 1: leave here today, I want to thank Chris Beam, our
Speaker 1: executive producer. I want to thank William Boykin's upstairs for
Speaker 1: getting us on the air of the way he does too.
Speaker 1: I especially want to thank Derek Eagleton for allowing us
Speaker 1: to do this every week. And then I also want
Speaker 1: to thank ed K. Hill for his idea about the
Speaker 1: Draft show so long ago. So for all my colleagues,
Speaker 1: all my friends, it's Brian Brouns. Thanks for hanging out
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