WEBVTT - Draft Show: Early Word 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:04.360 The following. Here is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:12.600 Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. This is 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.680 the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.319 for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:28.319 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Friscope. And 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:34.360 now your hosts. Brian brought us Jeff Cavanaugh, Kyle Yeoman, 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:42.040 and David Hellman. Well, I'm like gum on your shoe. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.040 You can't get rid of me. Brian brought us here 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.440 for the Draft show with my scouting buddy, Jeff Kavanaugh, 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.279 David Hellman, and Kyle Yeomans are at the Senior Bowl. Jeffrey, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.120 you planned out opening the show like that, didn't you. Yeah, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:00:59.920 the gum on the shoes. I might the gum on 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.960 your shoe. You can't get rid of me. You try 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.319 to peel me off, it gets worse, you said, at 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.600 home all morning and you're like on the shoe. Ah. Man, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.240 good to have you in studio today. Man, appreciate you. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.680 We're here. We are here, and it's fun to be 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.440 back as always. It's fun to be at the start. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.160 It's fun to be able to be in the studios 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.520 again where we've hosted drafts here before. The Draft show 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.319 is such a part of what we do every year, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.480 and Jeff and I we have our own show Monday 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.240 through Friday, two to seven on one oh five three 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.440 The Fan the g Bag Nation, and this is our 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.360 opportunity to talk draft and we really really do appreciate that. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.080 We appreciate Derek Eagleton and the Jones family for allowing 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.560 us to do this. Jeff, you know this show is 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:52.080 sponsored by somebody though, Sponsorpy our good friends at Miller Light. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.680 That's the Miller Light. That's your one of your favorite beers. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.640 I know that's the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.200 That's right, Jeff, So it is Miller time. Okay. As 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.520 we start to get into this a little bit more, 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.800 I've noticed following you on Twitter and by the way, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.480 what is it, jac one oh five three? Follow that 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.280 man right there? You're starting to look at some offensive lineman, 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.560 aren't you. Yeah. I don't appreciate you telling people that though, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.480 because you know I hate offensive lineman. Do you hate 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.200 offensive lineman more than quarterbacks? No? I hate quarterbacks the most, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.480 but offensive linemen actually have come around on it. But 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.920 for so long this team didn't need them, so I 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.160 would just wait till kind of the end. Yep. And 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.240 then this year I'm kind of thinking, hey, you know, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.160 if I could upgrade at center or if you know, 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.160 I've got a whole at left guard at the moment. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.799 So I'm actually watching offensive lineman and I'm ashamed of it. Yeah. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.680 And as you folks know, again, we're a full service show. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.280 You we do have a lot of Dallas Cowboys ties. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.760 But we'll talk about offensive lineman, We'll talk about linebackers, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.880 we'll talk about corners. We you know, if you're a 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.440 fan of another team. If you're a fan of the 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.960 Cincinnati Bengals, congratulations. You're a fan of Los Angeles Rams, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.320 congratulations here team your Rams guy doesn't want a draft, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.400 so you probably aren't gonna be watching our show too much, correct, 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.560 But you do a good job with your homegrown guys. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.239 As far as for the Dallas Cowboys, are you watching 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.040 offensive lineman because you feel like that's the direction that 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.400 this team needs to address first? Or do you kind 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.160 of see at twenty four this thing being wide open 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.480 where it can be the best available player, which they've 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.360 done the last couple of years. Oh, I think it'll 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.040 be wide open. But I think that there is a 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.839 chance that one of these offensive lineman is the best 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.359 player available, which is the ideal part. Now, Like on 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.440 my YouTube page, I've already begun mock drafts. Yeah so, um, 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.640 but if you want YouTube dot com slash, Jeff con 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.560 if you go, if you want way too many mock 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.360 drafts to where you'll eventually hate mock drafts, that's where 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.600 you want to be. But I do I think, Um, 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.280 Like this morning, I did a video where I think 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.240 I gave eleven names and it's spanned across a lot 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.680 of different positions where I'm like, look, there are going 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.680 to be You're gonna let the twenty three picks in 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.720 front of you decide which one of these guys you're 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.760 going to take. But I could probably give you the 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.040 Cowboys pick. I just need eleven names. Yeah No, And 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.040 you know what more, I'm diving into this draft, Jeff, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.440 and man, I am further along than I've been in ages. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.039 You know, I just I you know, when you get down, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.760 when you're drafting towards the bottom of the board, you 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.960 have to have an aggressive approach on this. And I 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.160 know you've taken aggressive approach. I'm coming after you. Now 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.520 I know exactly that, But I really do feel like 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.240 if you're one of those teams picking down there at 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.120 say twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, I 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.240 think there's gonna be some good players that fall to you. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.520 I really really do. I don't think this is one 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.719 of those things where you're going to look up and 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.200 you're gonna go, oh damn, they know, I don't want 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.160 that guy. You know, You're gonna let the teams in 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.719 front of you do what they do. And when you 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.159 get to twenty four, one or two of the names 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.039 that we talk about wanting at twenty four is going 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.240 to be staring in the face. That's what's gonna happen. Yeah, 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.240 Like I said, I think you have to keep been 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.400 open mind about this thing. And I'm I'm totally on 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.520 board of what they've been doing here the last couple 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.320 of years with it's saying, you know, whether it's a 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.279 Ceedee Lamb or you know, Michael Parsons, whoever, you know, 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.360 they determine who that best. I think they've done a 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.719 really nice job on that. But you know, and I 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.640 mentioned the offensive lineman because I saw you tweet last 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.159 night about Zion Johnson from Boston College. It's my guy. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.640 And I was going through the questions for Twitter on 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.599 the twenty today and I'll just start with this. When 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.800 that Roe asked, he goes, is Zion Johnson or reach 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:34.479 at twenty four? Okay? So to me, the answer is no, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:40.599 he's not. Okay. It's funny because we don't do the 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.800 draft three hundred and sixty five days a year, right, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.640 So like you could look at where Dane Brugler has 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.880 him or somebody else or all these different simulators, and 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.640 I feel like, yes, he'll always be there at twenty four. Yeah, 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.440 And maybe that means I'm a stupid head. But watching 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.400 Zion Johnson last night, this is Boston College Senior Bowl. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.640 Measurements here are six oz two six He's just under 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.479 sixty three three hundred fourteen pounds. His arms are almost 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.920 thirty four inches long, so he's built exactly like a guard. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.560 My theory un scouting players is and if you're out 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.560 there and you enjoy watching and learning the draft is 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.080 type your words your way. Don't try to sound like 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.200 sure what you think you're supposed to sound like. Absolutely, So, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.160 Like when I'm watching an offensive lineman. What I want 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.840 to know is can he pass protect or not? And 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.920 why can he run block or not? And why yeah? 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.839 And does he look lost? Right? Bam? We just handled it. 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.919 Pass block, run block awareness right down. What you see. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:43.119 Zion Johnson at Boston College was left tackle in twenty twenty. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.000 He has a left guard in twenty twenty one. Yeah, 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.880 he allowed three hurries in three hundred and sixty four 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.960 pass snaps. And the thing that jumped out at me 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.919 is he is one of the best sustainers yeah that 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:02.880 I've seen. Yea. And by that we mean word it's 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.479 a run play and I'm coming off the ball and 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.480 I'm locking up with this defensive tackle. Yea. And even 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.920 a lot of really really good offensive lineman can't always 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.040 sustain because there's a really good player trying to get 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.360 rid of you, trying to get to the ball. And 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.800 when Zion Johnson locks on, he's on. He's great at sustaining. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.600 He's not overwhelmingly powerful, yeah, but he's got plenty of anchor. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.960 He stays connected to the guy he's blocking so well 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.560 in the run game. Flexibility, functional, but not stand out 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.040 as an athlete, just really steady, really good player, very 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.800 aware pass protector. Zion Johnson Boston College to me is 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.280 an option at twenty four. Yeah, I totally agree with 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.880 you on that. We both have talked about Kenyon Green 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.200 though as from Texas, A and M that would be 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.160 the ultimate if you were looking for a To me, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.240 I don't have Zion Johnson as a first round player. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.800 I put him as a cheater grade. Yeah. I had 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.600 him more as the second round type of a player 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.280 of my own only guard right now that I have 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.960 as Kenyon Green as a first round guy. And you know, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.280 and I've looked at h Kennard from Kentucky as well. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.840 I've looked at a kid named Sean Ryan from UCLA. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.800 I've looked at a kid names uh Salar Salier from 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:19.200 Georgia US as another guy. But these are guys that 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.800 are all below what I've seen from Kenyon Green. Okay, 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.840 So if you if you, that kind of takes care 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.920 of that though. With you know, we feel like that 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.280 a Green would be the guy would be the best 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.320 pick at that spot if available. I think Green would 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.600 Kenyan Green, they and M guard would be a really 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.280 really good pick if he makes it to twenty four 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.880 night and I think Zion Johnson would be one of 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.800 the names where if it's if you couldn't get one 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.120 of the guys that you were like, yeah, yeah, you 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.000 would go, oh that's fine, Yeah, yeah, I'll take that 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.080 left guard. Yeah and go you were you were last 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.520 night too. You were watching some wide receivers and you 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.880 mentioned one, and again, we're trying to keep a broad 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.520 thing here because we don't know what's going to happen 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.080 with the Cowboys and their wide receiver room and stuff 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.120 like that. You watched Chris o Lovey last night and 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.040 I was always super superhesed a wide receiver from Ohio State. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.080 I mean, you know there's two receivers there you have 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.400 to catch from Ohio State. Tell me about Chris' lobby, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.800 because I have him as the last guy for me 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.800 in that in that first round. As far as the 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:25.000 wide receivers go, I don't think I'll great a love 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.960 as a first rounder. I think him as a two. Okay, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.800 I like him a lot because I love route runners, right, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.439 and I think Chris Olove is probably one of the 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.920 best route runners in the country. Right. He was able 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.160 to be incredibly successful as a deep threat at Ohio State. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.840 But I don't know that he's a burner, right, He's 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.720 not physically intimidating with the ball after the catch. He's 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:52.000 just a very smooth, polished, good receiver. So like, what 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.520 is that in the NFL? Probably somebody's good number two receiver, right. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.760 I see a guy who knows how to set up 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.480 defensive backs. He gets to their blind spot. He's really 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.360 good at changing tempos and his routes to throw you off. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.880 Useful in the screen game, yeah, because he can kind 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.880 of stop and go, but he's not going to run 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:16.360 through tackles. Smooth, smooth, smooth. Yea great feet and ball tracking. Yeah, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.400 I totally like I said, I think that you. I 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.240 think you've got the player, Nail. I think there's some 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.520 other things that I kind of like a little bit better. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.920 I like how he plays in those small areas and 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.440 stuff like that. You know, here's a guy attention to detail. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.960 He's not just getting one foot down, he's getting two 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.800 feet down. You watched by Okay, we mentioned here that 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.600 you and I are hosting here in studio. Let's go 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.400 to Mobile, Alabama, and again I wanted to get your 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.240 thoughts and those two players that you looked at and 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:42.800 I really like what you say. Let's go to the 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.760 mobile and our guy, David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.800 COM's on the scene. David, Good morning, sir, Good morning, buddy. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.520 Good to hear your voice hosting the Draft show like 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.640 the old day. Well, I appreciate that. Okay, set the 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:03.040 scene for us from being on the ground immobile right now. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.480 What do you expect to happen today in some of 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:11.160 your adventures, Brian, tell me, tell me if this sounds familiar. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.760 I know you missed this. I missed this a lot, Dave, 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.679 I do it. It's the first day of senior bowld practices, 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.320 which obviously means we get our first look at these guys, 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:25.400 but from my standpoint, it's also bird dog day. Yeah. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.080 I actually I had the good fortune I've never had 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.400 to work less hard to run into Will McClay in 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.760 my life. He was like in the first place I 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.040 went last night, and I was kind of talking to him, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:38.960 getting getting the lay of the land about where the 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.800 cowboys are going to be, what they're going to be doing. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.280 It's it's I mean, it's always exciting, but it's even 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.720 more exciting because this is the first like non COVID 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.040 year at the new facility with all of the new 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.280 bells and whistles that they have at South Alabama. The 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.600 Senior Bowls not at Latin People's Stadium anymore. So I think, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.320 you know, even people that have done this for like 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.079 decades kind of don't know what to expect with this 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.120 new format. So as soon as I get off the 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:06.680 phone with y'all, I'm going to head out there and 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.360 try to find Will and Stephen, maybe see if they'll 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.520 talk to me about draft stuff and Cowboys stuff, and 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.960 hopefully find some time to watch some of these players. Dave, 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.760 the Cowboys have a great history of drafting Senior Bowl 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.679 players and so this, to me, is one of those opportunities. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.920 Is it because they're seeing these guys live and with 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.679 NFL coaching? Do you think there's a reason why they 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:35.160 have this history with the Senior Bowl. I've actually we've 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.480 we've talked to Will about that before. If you've listened 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.280 to the show for a while, Yeah, I think it's 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.800 the chance to see these guys go against the best. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.520 I mean, these are the best senior players. A lot 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.160 of these guys are going to get drafted and without fail. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.200 We talked about this last week. The Senior Bowl has 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.000 done such a good job of upping the talent level, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.960 like there's going to be some NFL studs at these practices, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:05.240 and particularly obviously, like you're very small schools, but even 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.559 Tony Pollard comes to mind. Bill talked about him in 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.960 twenty nineteen. Will was enamored with Tony Pollard, and so 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.040 obviously Memphis is a good program. But you come here 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.280 to Mobile and you're going against guys from the best 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.559 of the best, the Alabamas of the world, and showing 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.960 what you can do. I think Will told us he 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.400 told us the story about how Tony got walloped. I 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.320 don't remember. I think it was a run play, I guess, 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.120 and he came back and nailed the guy that hit 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:35.599 him on the next play with the block, and like 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.200 stuff like that stands out to evaluators. So yeah, they're 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.120 going to be watching, and I think stuff like that 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.560 matters when you have a chance to stack up and 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.079 actually do football things against other good football players. I mean, 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.000 the results speak for themselves. They've drafted eleven of these 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.439 guys in the last four years, I think, I mean 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.360 they leaned toward those guys in tiebreaker situations and Dave. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.480 You know that Brian's gonna judge you if you're out 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.160 there just doing your job and trying to get stuff 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.680 from Steven and will he wants you scouting the players? 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:10.200 Is there position groups that you are most tempted to 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.920 check out? My favorite it's and I really did enjoy 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.360 it because I Brian's enthusiasm for the draft is contagious. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.040 But like every year, I'm out here trying to keep 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.920 an eye on Stephen, trying to figure out of Jerry's here. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.080 You know, there's other reporters that cover the Cowboys that 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.040 are trying to get those guys. So you've always got 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.360 to be mindful. And Brian and Dane are just sitting 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.440 next to each other just like could not care less 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.120 about that. They're like, oh, look at the hip on 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.720 this corner out of Ohio's great, and I'm just like, yeah, guys, 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.400 that's awesome. And as soon as Steven's done talking to 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.680 the media, I'll be right there with you. But I 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.840 will get yelled at if I don't pay attention to this. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.360 So That's what I'm in for today. But yeah, like 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.240 I said, especially, I would like to think so the 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.000 first practice starts at eleven thirty and the second one, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.600 I think starts at two thirty something like that. I 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.520 would like to think I'll be free to watch the 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.680 second practice. Um, I mean, it's always easy to it's 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.920 always easy to watch wide receivers in situations like this, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.400 it's just very easy to stand out. But I'm gonna 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.720 try my best to have my have my eyes on 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.080 the lineman just because both both lines feel like areas 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:22.880 that the Cowboys would want to focus on, and it 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.960 seems like there's some good talent here, So I'm gonna 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.160 try to have an eye ou No, And you're absolutely right, Dave. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.560 And again yeah Daney, and I only looked down at 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.800 you just a little bit, not all the time. We 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.880 just just a little bit. But uh yeah, you mentioned 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.600 that the two sets the line. It's the offensive line 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.720 with guys, you know, with Penny and uh you know, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.720 and we mentioned Zion Johnson and Kennard and guys like 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.440 that from the offensive side. But then you look at 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.960 the defensive side with Jamay Johnson from Florida State, Camp 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:57.560 Thomas from South San Diego State, Locan Hall from Houston, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.640 h Mathis from Alabama. It seems like that these one 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.320 on one drills. If you're gonna focus on something like 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.800 some of this one on one, nine on seven, that's 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.960 how you picked up. You know, you picked up with 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.840 Zach Martin and guys like that in those and those 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.920 one on one drills and stuff. Did you I heard 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.280 y'all talking about Zion when I was waiting for y'all 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.480 to patch me in. Did y'all see the measurements yesterday? 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:29.240 Did y'all see Trevor Pennings measurements? I've seen Trevor Penning live, 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:33.560 so I'd imagine it was tall, somewhat heavy and long arms. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.520 My man has a eighty four inch wingspan. Who's got 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.360 thirty four in six eight arms? Yeah? Well yeah, And 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.000 but I'll tell you what, And there's actually some this 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.840 will be some good tape for him because he's men 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.280 among boys at Northern Iowa. Now when he plays against 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.840 Iowa State, there's a little bit a step up in 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.720 weight class for him. But I'm interested in what you 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.600 think about him as as a tackle a prospect as well. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.280 And that's I mean, it's funny. Could you can sit 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.720 here as a as a cowboy fan and be like, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.639 why are we talking about a guy from Northern Iowa. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.880 Like Cowboys aren't They're not going to draft that guy, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.200 which I would be tempted to agree with you. But again, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.040 the Senior Bowl could be a great equalizer here. I mean, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.040 this is the type of guy that stands to make 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.240 a lot of money if he can come out here 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:28.359 and you know, shove around some some FBS Power five 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.320 type of guys. So that's what makes this stuff really fun. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.080 I definitely I want to have a close eye on him, um, 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.920 just to again this is I've already seen him mocked 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.080 as a guy in the Cowboys range of the first round, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.520 and a good week here could totally solidify that. Dave, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.679 what do you make about the whole thing with picket 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.040 in the hands and all that stuff? Is that are 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.119 we just making too much about something about nothing? Really? 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.120 This old thing? So if I so he's double jointed 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.960 and that affects the measurement, Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah? 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.560 And the thumbs all jump jammed out there forward and 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.680 he puts it closer to the pinky, And how you've 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.359 got a hand that's going to measure at three and 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.320 a quarter inches. Yeah, he's gonna I mean, look, every 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.760 we do this every year, Like every year we freak 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.480 out about something that seems so silly. But all I'm 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.080 saying is like, isn't it a thing that Jared Goff 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.800 kind of struggles when it's went like wet and rainy 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.600 and snowy, Like that is a thing, right, I don't 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:32.080 know David Joe Burrow has tiny hands, so about that. Yeah, 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.200 I mean Jeff Jeff defended Golf at the at the Combine. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.639 If you remember Dave, he stooped at the podium, and 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.400 every time Golf said something, He's like, yeah, tell him, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.800 tell him, tell him there. Man. He didn't know how 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.760 many hype man hair receptions he had and I told him, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.719 help him. Hype man over hype man over here at 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.639 the Combine. I think it was. I think it was 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.480 former Chief's offensive tackle Mitchell Schwartz is a really good 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.879 Twitter follow if you don't follow him. He was he 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.159 I think he said it perfectly yesterday. He was like, yeah, 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.000 that stuff matters, but just go watch his tape and 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.240 see how it affects his play. Like the measurement doesn't matter. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.960 Just watch him play. Ye, see if it affects him. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.360 And yeah, I've leaned towards that I mean, yeah, Joe 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.960 Burrow does not have big hands and it doesn't seem 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.119 to affect him. But and I know we bring this 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.840 up a lot, but i'll'll keep doing it. Brian, we 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.440 talked about this the other day, Like, the most amazing 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.879 thing we've ever seen is that Aaron Rodgers didn't drop 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.280 that ball when Jeffie sacked him in the playoffs. Fire, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.040 That is amazing. You're right about that minimum not holding 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.160 onto that ball with small hand, dude, I mean not 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.160 at all, not at all saying it doesn't completely not matter, right, 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.760 just like everything during draft season, it kind of David, 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.040 Thank you so much for your time, man. Good hunting 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.320 out there. Keep an eye on Jerry Stephen and net crew, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.400 but then make sure you're watching like Rutger and McBride 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.480 the tight ends too, that they're in the Senior Bowl 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.200 as well. All right, do that for me. I'm I'm excited, fellas. 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.480 Next time we talk, I'm gonna have so many notes 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.440 on so many guys. Well, appreciate that again, good David, 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.680 and take care of yourself, right, thank guys. 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