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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver

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Speaker 3: All Right, here we go.

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Speaker 1: It is a Tuesday, and there is a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about.

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Speaker 3: We're live, We're in LA.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd one hour from now, because I'm doing

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Speaker 1: the rest of this week right then, Little Bay Caden,

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Speaker 1: We're coming back for six months. I'm gonna do a

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Speaker 1: Herd hierarchy one hour from now, and this is kind

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Speaker 1: of how I see the season. This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: the last big one, a Herd hierarchy before the season,

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Speaker 1: telling you who I think to the ten best teams,

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Speaker 1: A lot of them, all your faces at the top,

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Speaker 1: some really good teams who I liked and maybe don't

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Speaker 1: like as much as I thought, are out.

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Speaker 3: John Middlecoff joining us again today.

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Speaker 1: John, you and I did an exercise last night on

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Speaker 1: a podcast, and I'm going to do that again for

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Speaker 1: the television audience about the Chicago Bears. And I think

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Speaker 1: you and I agree, and we know this in life.

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Speaker 1: Your happiness is directly correlated to your expectations in.

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Speaker 3: Life, like what do you expect?

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Speaker 1: Then'll give you an Example'll start the show with this.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Denver won ten games, and people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what amazing season. The Bengals won nine, one fewer, and

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Speaker 1: people are like, we got to fire the coach. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're keeping Burrow and Jamar Chase. We got to get

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Speaker 1: rid of everybody. Lee expectations for Denver rookie quarterback Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton in a rebuild pretty low in that division with

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh Andy Reid. They won ten games. You'd have thought

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Speaker 1: they they lost a super Bowl. They got just this close.

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Speaker 1: Since he won nine, Let's get rid of everybody. Right,

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Speaker 1: Happiness is tied to expectations. So I saw a headline

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Speaker 1: this morning, Caleb Williams looks like a differnt quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's new offense. It's the preseason. Last year, the Jags,

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Speaker 1: the Titans, the Jets, and the Bears went undefeated the preseason. Okay,

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Speaker 1: settle down, So let's just let's do a hard count here.

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Speaker 1: Let's take the Bears schedule, and I'm gonna be optimistic Colin.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give Chicago a split in division. They

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Speaker 1: with the Lions, they split with the Vikings. They went

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Speaker 1: one and five against those teams last year. And they're

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Speaker 1: already a road dog. They're already a home dog in

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Speaker 1: Week one against Minnesota. They're a dog at home against Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give them a split three and three. I'm

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Speaker 1: incredibly optimistic. They just don't they don't do well in division.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give them a split. I'm also gonna give

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Speaker 1: them four more wins, hosting Dallas, hosting New Orleans, hosting

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Speaker 1: the Giants, and hosting Cleveland, no upsets. They win all

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Speaker 1: But I'm also gonna say they're gonna lose at Washington,

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Speaker 1: at Baltimore, at Philly, and at San Francisco. So now

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Speaker 1: we're at seven and seven, and again I gave them

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Speaker 1: a split in division. They're seven and seven with three

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Speaker 1: games left. I'll continue my optimism. Three games left on

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Speaker 1: the schedule. Now at Las Vegas, I'll give them a win,

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Speaker 1: that gives the Bears being incredibly optimistic. Nine and eight

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Speaker 1: don't know that about Ben Johnson. So I got nine

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Speaker 3: You just don't do that. So, yes, they beat the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Caleb Williams looked good, and yes, Matt Hasselbeck yesterday

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Speaker 4: He looked great. I mean, I think it's everything you're

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Speaker 5: It looks like a good, great start.

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Speaker 4: I would just say it's preseason football, so I'm not

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Speaker 5: This is a great start.

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Speaker 4: It was a great outing. There's been some up and

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Speaker 1: Nine and eight from positive Uncle Colin nine and eight,

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Speaker 1: I think that's realistic, maybe a bit positive. Tough division,

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Speaker 1: I saw a headline, and a lot of times headlines

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Speaker 1: writers like to get your attention. So Sports illustrated the

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Speaker 1: headline why college football is emulating the NFL. And I

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Speaker 1: know ninety percent of you college football die hards, and

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Speaker 1: My journey's not your journey. But I'll give you an opinion.

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Speaker 1: If you're offered Outback Steakhouse or Morton Steakhouse, choose the latter.

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Speaker 1: The first one's fine, the second one's excellent. Folks, college

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Speaker 1: Ohio State threw a gutter against Michigan and yet made

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Speaker 1: the playoff. That is a good thing. Go look, I'm

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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma schedule because college football always had a big

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Speaker 1: game problem. If you're driving, I'll read it to you.

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Speaker 1: If you're driving around listening, Oklahoma this year plays Michigan, Auburn, Texas, Ole,

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Speaker 1: Miss Tennessee, Bama, and LSU. That is seven must watch games.

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Speaker 1: I covered it for years, great rivalry. But I get

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Speaker 1: at Penn State at Iowa, then two traditional rivals.

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Speaker 1: Five must watch Oregon games before the playoff. Root for content.

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Speaker 1: If offered multiple steakhouses, take the best one. College football

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Speaker 1: has always had a big game problem. If you go

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Speaker 1: look at Nick Saban's dynasty and.

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Speaker 1: But after about year three he refused to play a

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Speaker 1: Saban complained, Alabama students aren't going to the games.

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Speaker 1: Games aren't sold out because students aren't dopes and they

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Speaker 3: They're not going to the ugly ones. Kids have lives.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to do in college campus mingle, socialize, drink, party.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to watch BAM and Mercer. So college football.

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Speaker 1: Look at these schedules now they're in. In fact, I've

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Speaker 3: There's too many land mines.

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Speaker 1: They're so if it's all about winning the Natty, but

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Speaker 1: it's not as punitive. Ohio State can lose at Oregon,

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Speaker 3: The quality of games, quality.

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Speaker 1: Of content in college football is insane. Just go look

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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma schedule, Texas, Oregon, Washington, LSU. I know, I

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Speaker 3: Cam Newton years. It doesn't mean that much.

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Speaker 1: Yes, college football may even expand it to twenty playoff teams.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's because of what I do for a living.

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Speaker 1: I root for interesting, I root for better content if

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Speaker 1: local rivalry. I grew up in Washington State, right like

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Speaker 1: I was a Husky fan. I don't need to see

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Speaker 1: Now I get Washington Penn State, plus I get I

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Speaker 1: new fun stuff. But when I read that Sports Illustrated headline, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna emulate the NFL. Thank god, college football's taking

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Speaker 1: throw some gutters. Now you're gonna have bad games cause

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Speaker 1: LSU and you're gonna get blown out and it'll be okay,

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Speaker 1: it'll be fine. Go ask Ohio State lost as a

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Speaker 1: If you're good, it's all that matters, and it didn't

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Speaker 1: you play any difficult road game? All that stuff's done,

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Speaker 1: it's over.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to look and feel a little bit more

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Speaker 1: like the NFL. If you're paying players, it's time all right.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, by the way, was an eight seed. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for reminding me. An eight seed. That's why the NFL

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Speaker 1: playoffs are fun. You just never quite know who's gonna win.

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Speaker 1: You had a feeling it'd be Brady, your Mahomes never

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Speaker 3: I have Detroit at number ten.

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Speaker 1: Listen, they didn't just add players, They added elite players.

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Speaker 1: was fast. I didn't think they'd do that. What would

434
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Speaker 1: that be?

435
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think one, he doesn't care what you think, Colin.

436
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Speaker 5: He didn't care what I think.

437
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 10: He knows what he wants and he was able to

438
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Speaker 10: create exactly what he wanted. One of the things the

439
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 10: big narratives in Colorado was well, we should keep Russell

440
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 10: Wilson because you can't afford that cap hit, Like you'll

441
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Speaker 10: never be able to build a football team. Sean Payton

442
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 10: is not care He's like, that's not the direction of

443
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 10: this franchise. That's not where I want to go. We

444
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 10: can't win with that guy playing quarterback. And I don't

445
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Speaker 10: care if we incur a huge, huge cap hit. We're

446
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 10: going to get the right guys in this franchise. I've

447
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 10: talked to Shawn during training camp. I've talked to Greg Penner,

448
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 10: the owner, and the difference between last year and this

449
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 10: year was last year we hoped we could win this year.

450
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Speaker 5: We know we can win. And one of the big

451
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Speaker 5: moves we made.

452
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Speaker 10: Even if it was a popular player, we got read

453
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Speaker 10: of popular players that work the right guys, Guys that

454
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Speaker 10: want to be here, Guys that want to contribute, Guys

455
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Speaker 10: that want to work hard, Guys that want to sacrifice

456
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Speaker 10: for one another. That's how we're building this roster. And

457
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Speaker 10: when you start looking at this roster top to bottom,

458
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Speaker 10: and I've been at both scrimmage you know, I've been

459
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Speaker 10: at the scrimmages, a scrimmage San Francisco. I wasn't out

460
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Speaker 10: in San Francisco, but I was at the team scrimmage

461
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Speaker 10: between eras. The difference between the Broncos second and third

462
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Speaker 10: teamers in Arizona second third teamers, you can see the

463
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Speaker 10: level of commitment they have made and the level of

464
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Speaker 10: talent that they have in their backup players.

465
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Speaker 5: So you can have an injury.

466
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Speaker 10: Or two along that you know, along that football team,

467
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 10: and they're still going to be able to perform because

468
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Speaker 10: they've got a very very deep football team.

469
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Speaker 1: Well, one of the I've been saying this for years

470
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Speaker 1: is offensive coaches are better rebuilding O lines. PFF has

471
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Speaker 1: their on line as second best in the league. Dan

472
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Speaker 1: Campbell's an offensive coach. He's got a great o line.

473
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Speaker 1: Sean McVay has rebooted his offensive line multiple times. Andy

474
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Speaker 1: Reid this will be his third rebuild. They're interesting because

475
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Speaker 1: the two Super Bowls, Kansas City's got waxed in. They

476
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Speaker 1: couldn't protect Mahomes. They went and got Josh Simmons. He

477
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: was an Ohio State kid. Injuries. You tell me like,

478
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Speaker 1: if he's not good again, it's Denver and their pass rush.

479
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: Kansas City's in trouble. What do you make I think

480
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Speaker 1: this is a really you know, end of the first round.

481
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Speaker 1: Mark is no man's land in the draft. Nobody wants

482
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Speaker 1: to be there, got first round price, it's a second

483
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Speaker 1: round player. What do you make of Josh Simmons, the

484
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Speaker 1: buck guye now a chief at left tackle?

485
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Speaker 3: Is it a problem or not?

486
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Speaker 5: He was my favorite player coming out in the draft.

487
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Speaker 3: Wow.

488
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Speaker 5: I studied him.

489
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Speaker 10: I studied him and that dude dispensed justice.

490
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Speaker 5: You talk about he you talk about.

491
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Speaker 10: Hands you like, I just was like, this was tie

492
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Speaker 10: on the door, knob, howdy, don't come in here. I'm

493
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 10: watching Josh Simmons film like it was that good. And

494
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Speaker 10: then he tours Pattel Attendon. I think it was around

495
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 10: Week nine or whatever. I think the Kansas City Chiefs

496
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 10: possibly got the steel of the draft. I think that

497
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 10: guy's a top ten player that they got at thirty one.

498
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Speaker 5: He is that good athletically.

499
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Speaker 10: Gifted, but beyond that man, And one of the things

500
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 10: you realize when you study film come out of college

501
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 10: is most of these guys don't have nuance, especially the

502
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 10: play offensive line and the game.

503
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 5: It's just different. The college game is different.

504
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 10: Most guys don't know how to use their hands, and

505
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 10: most guys ultimately don't have great technique because they don't

506
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 10: need it. And I watched him. I thought it physically

507
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 10: he was dominant. I thought he struck guys with his hands,

508
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 10: which don't happen very often. And his feet, man, it

509
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 10: was like a symphony watching his feet move. When I

510
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 10: think of offensive line playing, I always had this kind

511
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 10: of symphony in my own head. What I want on

512
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 10: my feet to sound like, right, I'm coming off the ball,

513
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 10: it's nineteen handoff.

514
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: I want to get my second step down.

515
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Speaker 10: My feet sounded like That's what they sounded like, right,

516
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 10: And I want to have that in my head. Or

517
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 10: if it's a passt what my feet should sound like

518
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 10: on a wide three technique or a four eye technique

519
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 10: versus a three technique or a two technique, Like I

520
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 10: want to know exactly what that's sounds like in my head.

521
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 10: And when I watch this guy play, he's got that

522
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 10: kind of footwork as a college player, most college players don't.

523
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Speaker 5: I loved him.

524
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Speaker 10: I mean I absolutely loved him. And if that dude's healthy,

525
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 10: I'm telling you what they got the steal of the draft.

526
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: So you know this with John Elway, he had a

527
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: very good coach in Dan Reeves, but it was a

528
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: better coach than Mike Shanahan. And a lot of it

529
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: was just fit. Nobody doubted that Dan Reeves could coach.

530
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of it's fit in personality. You talked

531
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: about Sean Payton, Russell Wilson personality style don't fit. I've argued,

532
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: and you see this sometimes where the artist marries the

533
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: accountant and it works, you.

534
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Speaker 3: Know, like, and sometimes it doesn't.

535
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Speaker 1: And I look at Ben Johnson, who I think is

536
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: more a little bit more like Kyle Shanahan. Run my

537
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: Dan play, Run my play. And then there's Caleb Williams,

538
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: who I think has a little Brett Farv, which is

539
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: sometimes in chaos, he's better. But you can't live that

540
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: way in the NFL. And I've said this, I don't

541
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Speaker 1: think it's a perfect marriage, but I do think it

542
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: can work if Caleb sort of engulfs the offense. I

543
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: mean we've heard it practice bad days, good days, getting better,

544
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: but not every I mean Dan Reeves and Elway both great,

545
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Speaker 1: it didn't really fit. What do you make of Ben

546
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: Johnson and Caleb Williams. I think it's an imperfect marriage,

547
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: but I do think it could work.

548
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you, Colin.

549
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Speaker 10: I think one of the big things coming out of

550
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 10: college when I studied Caleb Williams is I thought there

551
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 10: was too much improvisation. I thought there was too much

552
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 10: playing off schedule. And I think you saw that last year.

553
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 10: I've said this many times, taking sacks in the quarterback

554
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 10: driven statistic, he took sixty eight sacks last year.

555
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: That's a lot on the quarterback.

556
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 10: Most sacks really become play caller and quarterback more than

557
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 10: they become offensive line. The first thing, and I've talked

558
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 10: to Ben Johnson this offseason, the first thing that Ben

559
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 10: Jonson and did was, Hey, let's reassess what we're doing

560
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 10: up front. Let's go out and get ourselves some offensive

561
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 10: linement that can play. I think that's big, But then

562
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 10: it becomes play calling. And one of the things you

563
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 10: don't see or you don't hear a lot we when

564
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 10: we talk about Ben Johnson is the way he's committed

565
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 10: to run the football. I'm doing a game Detroit game

566
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Speaker 10: a year ago and I'm thinking, man, this guy like

567
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 10: he has got to be the number one like play

568
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 10: caller in football from the standpoint of second, long, and

569
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 10: third and long run plays. And sure enough, he's right

570
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 10: there in the top two or three in football. What

571
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 10: he does is he's going to run the ball, create

572
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 10: his play action, take some stress and pressure off the quarterback.

573
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Speaker 10: The thing that Caleb Williams needs to learn is he

574
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 10: needs to learn what I call the seventy thirty rule.

575
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 10: Seventy percent of the time you need to run the play.

576
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 10: We need to be on schedule. When things do break down,

577
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 10: then you have to be able to improvise and make

578
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 10: a play thirty percent of the time it does break down,

579
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 10: then go make a play for us. But if you

580
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 10: live and this is to Meyler Kyler Kyler's problem in

581
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 10: Arizona Kyler Murray's problem in Arizona is you want to

582
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 10: play on a fifty to fifty kind of schedule fifty

583
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 10: percent of the time. I want to be free will

584
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 10: and it make big plays because it's really it looks

585
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 10: good and I'm excited and it gives me energy. But ultimately,

586
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 10: for an offense, you may make two or three big plays,

587
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 10: but what you're gonna do is you're going to fall

588
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 10: to disaster three or four times and you end up

589
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 10: not winning the game but losing it based on that stuff.

590
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 10: So for me, run the play, improvise when only necessary,

591
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 10: and I think the run game, the trick plays, all

592
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 10: the things that Ben Johnson does that creates excitement and

593
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 10: fluidity in your offense. I believe that's where he's great.

594
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Speaker 10: So I think he'll get that buy in from Caleb Williams.

595
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 10: They'll eliminate some of those sack issues that really were

596
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 10: a lot of Caleb Williams' problems, not just the offensive line.

597
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Speaker 1: Finally, you played for Washington for several years. I don't

598
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: love the Terry McLaurin situation at all because I think

599
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Terry's such a pro You've done their games before. He's

600
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: such a productive, grown up adult pro and a position

601
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: sometimes where you get big personality. I think they could

602
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: be as good as last year, but not make the

603
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: NFC Championship because the NFC is better. Well, what is

604
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Speaker 1: your kind of forecast for the Commanders that have suddenly

605
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: become a really fun team to watch.

606
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're a really good team. Obviously, Jaydon Daniels is incredible.

607
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 10: Dan Quinn has done a phenomenal job out there of

608
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 10: re establishing the culture there that that was when I

609
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 10: played there.

610
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Speaker 5: For Joe Gibbs.

611
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 10: It was a crown jewel and they went through you know,

612
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 10: they went through years in the desert obviously, and they're

613
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 10: back now. Terry McLaurin is one of those guys that

614
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 10: you mentioned. Great guy in the community, just a great,

615
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 10: great teammate who is unbelievably productive. And when I travel

616
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 10: around the league, and I've done a bunch of Washington games,

617
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 10: when you talk to coordinators around the league, they'll tell you, Hey,

618
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 10: our number one threat is McLaurin.

619
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Speaker 5: Like that dude, just that dude is. It doesn't matter

620
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Speaker 5: who the quarterback is.

621
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Speaker 10: That dude is set for eleven hundred and twelve hundred

622
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 10: yards and a bunch of touchdowns. He just he just

623
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 10: a difference maker on the offensive side of the ball.

624
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Speaker 10: So I believe they're going to get that deal done.

625
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 10: He belongs in Washington. He is one of those guys

626
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Speaker 10: to me that he has gone through that that dry

627
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 10: desert storm, if you will. He's one of the guys

628
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 10: that you want to see have some success with the

629
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Speaker 10: team that drafted him, and he's got that opportunity now.

630
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Speaker 10: I hope they find common ground to pay him because

631
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Speaker 10: he belongs to me as a Washington commander.

632
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Speaker 1: By the way, you're packing up and leaving New York,

633
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: what was your favorite little place when you lived in

634
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Speaker 1: New York and your wife was there? What was your

635
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: favorite place? Because I I when when I spend time

636
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: New York, I would always stay within like a six

637
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: block area, and I'd find my places. Where was your

638
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: place in New York? If I said, hey, Mark, let's

639
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: go to lunch, where would it be in New York? Oh?

640
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Speaker 5: Right down the street. I don't even know what the

641
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 5: name of the restaurant is. I just know where it's at.

642
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: It's right like literally down the block.

643
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 10: A little bowl and a's place that we absolutely love.

644
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 10: I know that I know Sombon in Ada or you

645
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 10: know the waitress and the hostess, and they are awesome

646
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 10: and we always sit in their section and we go

647
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 10: there probably three times a week, and they're so gracious

648
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 10: and so kind and the food is absolutely like I said,

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Speaker 10: hole in the wall, absolutely phenomenal.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know about you call them. But I'm

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Speaker 5: this way with movies.

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Speaker 10: If like, if I watch a movie that I like,

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Speaker 10: you know, my wife will go, let's find a movie,

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Speaker 10: and she goes, You've seen this six times.

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Speaker 5: I go, I know I'm not going to be disappointed.

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Speaker 5: I love this movie, right, and if.

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Speaker 10: I fall asleep, Like, if I fall asleep, I can

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Speaker 10: wake up, you know, twenty minutes later you go, oh,

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Speaker 10: this is a great part. Let's get dialed in, right,

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Speaker 10: and it drives They're crazy. But I'm the same way

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Speaker 10: when it comes to restaurants. If I go to a

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Speaker 10: place and I order a meal and I love that meal,

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Speaker 10: I'll never order anything else off the menu.

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Speaker 5: I won't go, let me see what else is on

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Speaker 5: the media.

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Speaker 10: I go, no, I love the bolon as saying that's

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Speaker 10: what I'm having, bowling as I'm having.

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Speaker 1: Again yeah, now, we talked about that earlier today. Mark Schlareth,

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Speaker 1: As always, buddy, it's great seeing you check it in

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Speaker 1: with you