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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number one seven

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Speaker 1: and Tay in the show, we've got another edition of

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Speaker 1: RUT Radio in which we're getting real time from the

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Speaker 1: field reports on deer and running activity from across the

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Speaker 1: country and the tactics that you can be applying to

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Speaker 1: your own hunts right now. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast. And we were back with another

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Speaker 1: episode of radio. And as you can tell, I'm back

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Speaker 1: in my mobile recording studio, which means no studio at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm in a hotel room in Seattle, Washington at the

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Speaker 1: moment um. But Spencer thankfully is keeping things locked down

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Speaker 1: over in the Midwest still and uh, you're gonna make

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Speaker 1: sure we've got a good episode here, not me to

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Speaker 1: talk on myself and all day. Right, that's right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but you have not been haunting in a while, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that has to feel significantly different than what

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Speaker 1: the first twenty days of your November was like. Oh yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: it's been a new to take you know, I was

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Speaker 1: planning on taking some are and are here during this

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Speaker 1: time period, and then a few other things came up

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Speaker 1: that causing me take a little bit more time off

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Speaker 1: than I originally planned. But that's been good at News.

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Speaker 1: Needed to take care of some things in the real

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Speaker 1: world and kinda get myself back up and ready after that. Marison,

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Speaker 1: So I haven't heard in the last nine days, I

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Speaker 1: don't think, Um, but I'll be. I'll be starting again

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and then hitting the herd throughout the next you know,

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Speaker 1: a month or so, the final month or so the

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Speaker 1: season Michigan and Ohio. Um so, so would that be

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Speaker 1: in the case, though, Spencer, I, I'm gonna be selfishly

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Speaker 1: selfishly uh selfishly, Yeah, I'm saying the word right struggling today, Spencer. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be more interested than usual in hearing about

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Speaker 1: what everyone else is seeing, um, because I haven't been

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Speaker 1: hunting so long that I need this intel now. So

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you're new to the show

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Speaker 1: and you're listening right now and you haven't turned off

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Speaker 1: the podcast yet, since I stumble on that word so badly,

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Speaker 1: if you're still listening, the point of these RUT Radio

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Speaker 1: episodes if you're not familiar, is to get you up

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Speaker 1: to speed on what's happening across the white tail world

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Speaker 1: this week. So we check in with a handful of

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Speaker 1: hunters small across the country from different states to find

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Speaker 1: out what kind of running activity are they seeing, what

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Speaker 1: kind of dear behavior are they seeing, what kind of

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Speaker 1: tactics are working? Um, and that's our game plan for today.

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Speaker 1: Uh um, have you been? Have you been up? Spencer?

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything to contribute to this one? I

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Speaker 1: do not besides just what I've heard from our contacts

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Speaker 1: this week and those being Bomartonic from Pennsylvania in the

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Speaker 1: journal Mountain Hunting. Did we go to Illinois from bow

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Speaker 1: Hunting dot Com is Justin's oar And then in Wyoming

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Speaker 1: we talked to Mark Kaiser with North American white Tail

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Speaker 1: and then we talked to Dustin Lott in Kansas from

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Speaker 1: Rock House Motion and so there has been success though.

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Speaker 1: In this week's episode, both Justin and Dustin tagged out

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Speaker 1: on some really good deer, Dustin in particular a buck

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Speaker 1: that went over two hundred inches. So that's our our

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Speaker 1: last interview and a really fun one to hear. But

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Speaker 1: there's kind of an agreement this week among our four

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Speaker 1: what the other ones are gonna say, but they all

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Speaker 1: kind of feel that we've hit this, uh, sort of

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Speaker 1: awkward transition where the best running is behind us. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to find that midday movement. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: and they're just focused on food sources. So this is

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Speaker 1: kind of a tweener time right now. Um. You'll hear

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Speaker 1: be on a scale of one to ten. But for

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Speaker 1: the most part, a lot of guys are looking beyond

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Speaker 1: it's crazy talking about this, um and realizing that, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the strange part has been that the weather doesn't

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Speaker 1: are not forced to to get on those food plots

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Speaker 1: They can still hit some acorns and some other oddball

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of optimism. Well, I'm interested to hear

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Speaker 1: the reports, um, since I said I need that help myself,

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Speaker 1: So I think I'll stop rambling and uh and let

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Speaker 1: you take it from here. Is there anything else sponsor

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Speaker 1: we need to cover before we get to ours. I

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Speaker 1: don't think so, Mark. We're just waiting for some closure

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Speaker 1: on Holy Field, so get get that done. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do my best. I will, hopefully know here in the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days whether the story continues or not.

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Speaker 1: And then, Uh, I've got a serious plans for the

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Speaker 1: next months to get after so to be continued. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next week. Mark, thanks bunch. Before

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Speaker 1: some quick decision making resulted in a big buck. So

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you about a fun, little fun hunt I had.

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Speaker 1: There was November two thousand fifteen. Got a call late

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Speaker 1: and I bought a ticket two days later to go

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Speaker 1: check this lease out that came available within thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: of being on the ground. I was, I called him back.

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Speaker 1: I said absolutely, I'll take it, so fast forward real

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Speaker 1: quick today. Two weeks later, I ended up buying a

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Speaker 1: bunch of sets. We got up there hunk four sets.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks later it was beginning of November. Uh, second

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Speaker 1: the wind were wrong. But it was the third sighting

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Speaker 1: we had a big front coming in that afternoon. Decided

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Speaker 1: be beautiful, high pressure clear in the morning, got in

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Speaker 1: was dead. So it just goes to show you to

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Speaker 1: being aggressive looking at your map and your terrain can

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Speaker 1: the line. First out of Pennsylvania is Bowl Martonic, you,

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Speaker 1: field editor with the journal Mountain Hunting now Bow in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: What would you say the bucket activities been lately on

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. The buck activity is actually ramped

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Speaker 1: up to about a seven UM with us. A little

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Speaker 1: but if you were still hunting, how would you handle

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Speaker 1: the recent gun season opening? To be honest, I would

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is well known for a lot of hunters entering

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Speaker 1: the woods, especially these first couple of days in weekends,

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Speaker 1: and they seem to really hold tight and into the

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Speaker 1: thick cover at that time. Now, are you still running

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Speaker 1: on those? Yeah? Yeah, I am still running trail cameras.

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Speaker 1: I just just pulled them out of the woods this

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Speaker 1: weekend prior to gun season opening. But I'm seeing a

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Speaker 1: lot of scrape activity that seemed to open back up.

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Speaker 1: These grapes kind of closed down through the first couple

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Speaker 1: and I'm box cruising hitting those scrapes in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the day recently. Well, that's that's pretty cool to

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Speaker 1: see some midday movement. But how about are you seeing

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Speaker 1: how do those change this time of year as we

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Speaker 1: And then some of the areas, a few some of

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Speaker 1: the are feeding on brows. Do you have any strong

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Speaker 1: or moon phases this time of the year. I still

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Speaker 1: think weather front side. I am a big proponent of

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Speaker 1: the weather front, and my cameras have shown it just

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Speaker 1: in the last I mean the last three years. I've

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Speaker 1: been just logging all the data with big weather front.

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Speaker 1: It really correlates with the with the daylight movement. And

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Speaker 1: this November has been pretty good for Pennsylvania, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's because we've had a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: so that's been very helpful. Well, you talked about how

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Speaker 1: you hunt the big woods of Pennsylvania, but I know

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Speaker 1: you have some contexts that are more involved with some

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Speaker 1: beginning of December. Yeah, well, some of the urban areas here,

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Speaker 1: a lot of them they don't allow um gun hunting

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Speaker 1: some rattling over the weekend and use my grunt call.

430
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not using it so much as a traction

431
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: to bring deer running into me. But what I was

432
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 1: doing is we were hunting some real thick cover and

433
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: when deer would pass through shooting lanes, if they were close,

434
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: I could grun at them just to get him to pause.

435
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: And if they're further out there, say two hundred three

436
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: four yards, I would rattle again just enough to make

437
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: them stop so we could get an evaluation field, judge them,

438
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: and when they stopped, if the green light was given,

439
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: we could get a shot off. So the calling is

440
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: kind of waning again, It's not quite as good as

441
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: it was obviously in the three run you know, late October,

442
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks in November, but you can

443
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 1: still utilize it as a as a great strategy to

444
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Speaker 1: get a shot off. And if you never know and

445
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: they bring a deer just coming in out of curiosity, well,

446
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: what are some of your favorite tactics using these next

447
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: couple of weeks As we approach that secondary rut. Right now,

448
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: hunters have to be ready for the big shutdown. These

449
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: older deer are just about there. If not, they're already

450
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: they realized that most of the doughs have been bred

451
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: the younger bucks or what you're seeing moving. So what

452
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: you want to do for strategy out is locate food

453
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: these dear body wise down about on their body masks,

454
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: so to get ready for the big storms coming, you know,

455
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: the winter storms. Whether you're in the Midwest where you'll

456
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: get high high winds and rain and snow mixed together

457
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: up north where you get a lot of snow like Ryan,

458
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: They've got to get some nutrition back in their body

459
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: to start building up some body fat. Look for food,

460
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: and then the other thing you want to be on

461
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: the lookout is for good refuge. Now when you uh

462
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: find these two areas sanctuary and food together. You're gonna

463
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: find not only the bucks fighting out close by rating

464
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: the refrigerator, but these doughs are going in there, and

465
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: in about two weeks, some of these doughs that weren't bred,

466
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: some of the younger doughs, maybe some that just got missed,

467
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: they'll come back into estrus and you'll see a flurry

468
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: of activity. I've seen some running activity around the tenth, twelve,

469
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: thirteenth of December that rivals anything in mid November, so

470
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: you need to be ready for that. Albeit it could

471
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: be a very brief window, it might be the window

472
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: you need to fill a tag yet, especially if you're

473
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: archery hunting in one of these northern states yet or

474
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: maybe have a late season muzzleloader tag in hand. Uh Now,

475
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: now in Wyoming here are seasons are shutting down. They're

476
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: all shutting down on November thirty, so it's gonna be

477
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: a little hard to go hunting for tier after that.

478
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: But Nebraska is you know, has December muzzleloading the entire season.

479
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: South Dakota next door to me has archery hunting going on.

480
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: So there's there are options out there where you can

481
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: take advantage of this food sanctuary situation. Going forward. Then

482
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Speaker 1: this next week or so, what do you think that

483
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: bucket activt is going to look like on the scale

484
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: of one to ten in Wyoming? I think, uh, for

485
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: the last few days of the white kail season here

486
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, it's gonna trickle off to a three or

487
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: four within the next five to six days, for sure.

488
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely the running activity is going to go down.

489
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: And then again, what you're gonna focus on his food? Now,

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00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: Wyoming deer and western white tails tend to act a

491
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: little differently than their Eastern cousins or Midwestern cousins. They

492
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: will move around in the daylight hours, but it'll be

493
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: a little more cautious and they'll be a little more reserved.

494
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: So you'll still see deer up and on their feet,

495
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: but again, it won't be running around running. They're going

496
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: to be moving casually to food sources in a very

497
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: careful and cautious manner. All right, Mark, that's great, Intel,

498
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Speaker 1: and thanks for joining me this week. Thanks thanks a

499
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: lot for having me on alright and joining me on

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Speaker 1: the line. Next in Kansas partner with rock House Motion

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00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: is Dustin Lutton. Now, Dustin in Kansas, what would you

502
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: say the buck activity has been lately on a scale

503
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: of one to ten. I would say lately the buck

504
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: activity has probably been, you know, around a seven. I

505
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: think we're at the tail end of the rut here

506
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: there catching those last dose. They're getting off of lockdown

507
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: and starting to look again. And if they're not looking again,

508
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, starting to hit food sources

509
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: get that energy back. So I would say it's at

510
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: a seven h slowing down. It'll probably drop and then

511
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: go back up here in about a week or two. Well,

512
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: dost sound scale of one to tend the buck you

513
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: just killed was a ten. Why don't you tell us

514
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: a little bit about that U two plus inches? I believe, Yeah.

515
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna gross around him and net round

516
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: two oh four is what we came up with. So

517
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: he's he's an incredible deer man, a dream for sure.

518
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: So and in that buck, I would say, I mean

519
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: he was probably on the recovery stage of the rut. Um.

520
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: I hadn't had pictures of him for about twenty two days,

521
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: I believe, is what my cameras had told me. And

522
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 1: I think he ruts in a different area and he

523
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: was coming back. Um, you know for food, and I

524
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: got pictures of him the night before I shot him,

525
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: and h was able to sneak between his bedding area

526
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: and the food source and catch him on his way back. Um.

527
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just locked at I couldn't believe it happened.

528
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I thought for sure he was, you know, possibly dead,

529
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: being gone that long. Um, But it worked out great

530
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: and he came back to his home range. So yeah, well, Dustin,

531
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: looks like a couple of your buddies have had some

532
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: great success here recently. Two with some other you know giants.

533
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: What have those haunts been like for them? Were they

534
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: also focused on bucks that were recovering from their rut? Yeah,

535
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: those bucks were both shot here in the last two weeks.

536
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: They were actually both on lockdown with those the first

537
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: one being Scott Whites, which is an incredible non typical diaries.

538
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: Two in another you know buck of a lifetime, and

539
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: he was able to sneak into his tree stand. Buck

540
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: was bedded with the dough fifty yards from his tree stand. Um,

541
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: and he's able to sneak in and about an hour

542
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: later the buck came in following the dough as she

543
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: she came into a food source and so that buck

544
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: was on lockdown. UM. Another buddy, Kyle Martin with Monsio Properties,

545
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: he was out checking cameras midday and uh as, I

546
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: think it's about lunchtime when he texts me that he

547
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: had shot the buck and that buck was bedded along

548
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: a river bank with the dough on lockdown and he

549
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: was able to sneak within forty yards on the ground

550
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: and get a shot at that buck. So, UM, I

551
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: think the lockdown phase, you know where they're they're bed

552
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: with the doughs all day, is probably on the tail

553
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: end with the mature dos um and they're going to

554
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: be hitting food sources hard and then hearing about a week,

555
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: I think it'll pick up where they're looking for the

556
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: young does coming into estros again. What are your thoughts

557
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: on signmaking right now? Are you seeing any deers still

558
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: using rubs and scrapes rubs, I haven't seen any of

559
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: that lately. Um, scrapes, Um, they were dead here for

560
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: about three weeks on my cameras and I'm just starting

561
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: to get bucks checking those again, starting to see some

562
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: dose using again. So I think scrapes are a good

563
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: way to keep track of your DearS. Still with trail cameras. Um,

564
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: as they're looking for those final doughs. What doeston you

565
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: referenced a recovery phase here for the deer that are

566
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: winding down from the ruts. What are you some of

567
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: your favorite tactics then? Um, hunting similar to how you

568
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: killed this other big book. Just focusing on food. Yeah,

569
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: focusing on food. I think, you know, green green food

570
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: plot sources that really haven't been good most November. Um.

571
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: The plot that my buck was going on the night

572
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: before I shot him was actually a turn up and

573
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: oates plot. Um. You know, so he's going back and

574
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: getting that protein, trying to build up. So I think

575
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: food sources are really a good way here now for

576
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: a little while, and uh honestly I was preparing to

577
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, hunt this buck late December. Um, you know,

578
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: so really focusing on food sources. As we know get

579
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: into the colder weather here. Now, how do you think

580
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: weather fronts changed things at this point? Um? With the

581
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: best hunting days behind us, Say we get a cold

582
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: front or a week of warmer weather, what do you

583
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: think that does to the buck movement? Yeah? I think

584
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's still still the end of the rut.

585
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: So you never know what's going to happen. Um, you know,

586
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: warm weather, it's still worth getting in the tree. But um,

587
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: your best times are are definitely gonna be when you

588
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: get the cold fronts coming in. Uh, snow would be ideal,

589
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: even though it's really warm here in Kansas. I think

590
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: if we get a cold front, Um, rifle season starts

591
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: here on Wednesday. If they get a you know, cold

592
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: front during that season, UM, there probably a lot of

593
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of good bucks going down going forward. Then

594
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: in this next week or so, what do you think

595
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: that buck activity is going to be the skill of

596
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: one to tend in Kansas? I would say in the

597
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: next week here, you're you're looking at probably a six

598
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: or seven as far as the rout activity goes. Um,

599
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: and then winding down after that. All right, Dustin, Well,

600
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: congrats again on the amazing buck and thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and that concludes this week's episode

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Speaker 1: of Wired Hunt's Radio. We'd like to thank all of

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Speaker 1: We'd also like to thank those who contribute to the

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Speaker 1: podcast with their great reports. If you'd like more info

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Speaker 1: on the bucks that Justin and Dustin just killed this

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Speaker 1: week with Justin, you can check out both Hunter Die

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Speaker 1: With Dustin, you can check out his instagram Dustin Underscore

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: rock House, where you'll see some amazing imagery of that

611
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: awesome buck. Good luck to everyone who still is a

612
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: tag in their pocket and I hope that December treats

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Speaker 1: you well. Or to distaf