1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. Welcome back to Music Saved Me, the 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: podcast where we explore the transformative power of music in 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: people's lives. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, and today we 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: have a truly special guest whose work exemplifies how music 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: can heal, connect and give voice to those who need 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: it most. Emily Cavanaugh is a singer, songwriter and the 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: founder of A Song for You, an organization dedicated to 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: creating personalized songs for individuals facing serious illness, loss, or 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: life challenges. Now, what started as a simple idea to 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: use her musical gifts and trust me she has them 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: to comfort others has grown into a movement that's touched 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: countless lives all across the country. Emily's journey reminds us 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: that music isn't just entertainment, it's medicine. Through a Song 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: for You, she and her team of volunteer musicians craft 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: original compositions tailored to each person's story. This is so 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: fabulous creating lasting gifts that families can treasure for us. 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: And today we're going to dive into how Emily discovered 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: her calling, the stories that have changed her, and why 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: she believes everyone deserves their own song. So settle in 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: and let's discover how music saved Emily Cavanaugh and how 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: she's using it to save others. Emily, Welcome to music 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: save me. It's so great to finally meet you. 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: Great to finally meet you. I know, I feel like 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: we're old friends. 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: I know, it's weird how that can happen, and even 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: over like a TV screen. Yeah, which is well. 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: I was saying this a little bit earlier, but I 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: listened to your voice and I just find it to 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: be so comforting and healing as it is. But then 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: the material, like what you guys are covering, you know, 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: I think I probably listened to your Jelly Roll episode 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: like three times because I just found like just the 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: subject matter to be so compelling. So when you pair 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: that with your voice, it's, yeah, it's pretty amazing. 35 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Wow, what a huge compliment coming from a singer, not 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: just a songwriter, but someone who uses their voice and 37 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: heals others with it. So I've never had that happen 38 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: to me before. No, one time. Another singer I don't 39 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: know if you'll know him, Leslie west Oh from Mountain. Yeah. Yeah, 40 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: he's not with us anymore, sadly, but I met him 41 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: one day and he came up to me and he's like, 42 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: you got the best voice I've ever heard. 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: Enough, like really you do well and everything you did 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: with VH one, I mean, you know obviously, like yeah, 45 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: you've been doing some things, you know, but yeah, but 46 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: it's nice sing you're with you today. 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a love fest. All right. We're 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna have a little more of a love fest because 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: we have to pay some bills, so we're gonna do 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: that real quick right now, and when we come back, 51 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: it's all about Emily Cavanaugh. Next on Music Save Me, 52 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me? All right, welcome back to Music Save Me. 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: Emily Kavanaugh. Can you first, this is such an amazing 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: thing that you're doing. It's even bigger than I think 55 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: that you even know. But can you tell us about 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: the moment that you realized that you wanted to create 57 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: personalized songs for people just to help heal them. And 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: what was that very first song experience? Like who did 59 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: you write it for? How did it come about? 60 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: Sure? Well, you know, I have to say, I think 61 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: sometimes people are disappointed in this answer because the truth is, 62 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: probably all the best things that have happened in my 63 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: life have kind of happened by accident. So I don't 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: know that I would have set out, you know, to 65 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: do what we've ended up doing these last five years, 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: had the world not you know, essentially shut down, right 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: So in the in the pandemic, I had been working 68 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: prior to that, excuse me as a singer songwriter. So 69 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: that was everything from gigging to writing music for you know, 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: small commercials and film and television, to singing for seniors 71 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: and a senior center on the Upper West Side, to 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: kind of basically you know, gigging and touring, but being 73 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: at the intersection for a long time of music and service. 74 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: But I'd never really known kind of where that path 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: was going to take me. I just loved being on 76 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: the road, you know, I just genuinely loved like all 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: of the many people that I got to meet through 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: that work. But you know, you go back now, it's 79 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: crazy to think it's half a decade ago, but five 80 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: years ago the pandemic struck and I was on the 81 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: South Side of Chicago. I live in New York City, 82 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: but all my families in Chicago, and I was hanging 83 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: out with my mom and my dad, and honestly, like 84 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: that was the real silver lining of such a crazy 85 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: time was like all that extra time with family, you know. 86 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: But Mom and I were binging Netflix, you know, eating 87 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: all our feelings, drinking too much wine. I think I 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: watched every episode of Shit's Creek like three times. 89 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: That's so ever, and. 90 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: I just remember watching at the same time the stories 91 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: of patients on the television who were not going to 92 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: go home, you know, people who were separated from their families, 93 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: who were isolated. It was happening the world over, but 94 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: it was also happening big time in the city that 95 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: I live in, New York, and so I do remember 96 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: feeling pretty helpless, being honest for a moment. I don't 97 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: know if any of us knew what to do, but 98 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: I remember waking up one day and thinking, okay, you 99 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: can't just keep drinking wine, and so I started cold 100 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: calling hospices and hospitals and seeing did anybody need a song, 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: you know, just out of the sheer belief and again 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: kind of accidental hope that maybe somebody would take me 103 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: up on it, and if they didn't, that was okay too. 104 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 2: But as a singer and a songwriter with a background 105 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: in social work, you can imagine I didn't have much 106 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: of a skill set for that time, so this was 107 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: really all I thought I could do. And initially the 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: response was kind like people were very very sweet about it, 109 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: but I could tell there was a little bit of 110 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: like that, you know, you just kind of know what 111 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: someone's maybe thinking. And I sort of sensed that they 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: were like, we need like ppe, like we need. 113 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: Weed masks, not songs. 114 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: I it ye, songs from like this obscure songwriter in 115 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: New York. But cool, right, Yeah, But within about three 116 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: months time, I would say, almost everybody called back, like 117 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: every chaplain, every social worker, every nurse, every volunteer coordinator. 118 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: You know, hey, we need a song for a nurse 119 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: that's in isolation. We need a song for that's not 120 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: going to go home, you know. We need a song 121 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: for a couple in hospice that have been together for 122 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: it turned it, you know, for fifty years, but they're 123 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: so confused right now, like they don't know what to 124 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: do and their families can't get to them. And so 125 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: what started off is this idea of just maybe sending 126 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: a song kind of grew into what would end up 127 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: being most of my work for the last five years. 128 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Wow, that is incredible, but your background and social work. 129 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean, was that sort of the impetus to make 130 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: you just the first time pick up the phone, because 131 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: anyone can do that, and no matter what your background, 132 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't mean that anyone could write a song and 133 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: do what you do, but to help, just to reach 134 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: out and help, and it's amazing that you just decided 135 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: to all. 136 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: You know, I feel thank you, But I have to 137 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: say I feel like I can't take credit for most 138 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: of the things I've done in my life in terms 139 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: of like that impetus or like that heart is totally 140 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: my mom, you know, like that's just like she instilled 141 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: all of that in us since we were like little 142 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: little kids, you know. And the ability to sing like 143 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: that was my grandma. The ability to drink too much 144 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: was her too. So I mean I heard it a 145 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: lot of different traits in my life. But you know, 146 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: my dad, my family, like I grew up in a 147 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: place where music was community, you know, like so we 148 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: all gathered together. There's fifty seven first cousins, you know that. 149 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: I'll go my mom is from seven, my dad is 150 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: from eight, and like we would pile into a pizza 151 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: parlor like to they. 152 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: Probably could close it down because then no more pizza. 153 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,239 Speaker 1: Sorry was big. 154 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: Enough to host everybody, right, So, like we were together 155 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: so much, and that's when like people got up and 156 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: they told stories, people got up and they told jokes, 157 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: people got up and they sang, you know. And so 158 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: for me, like music from a very early age was 159 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: just like such a huge part of celebration and community 160 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: and it just brought so much joy. And so I 161 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: think that when I went on to pursue it professionally, 162 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: it was almost like just sort of always chasing that joy, 163 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: like trying to find that community again in my later life. 164 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, well, well you found it. A song for 165 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you is is quite remarkable, and I love how you 166 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: give credit to your mom and your grandma and it's 167 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: just it's such a lovely legacy and it continues. Can 168 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: you walk us through a little bit of your creative process, 169 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: Like how do you take someone's life story, regardless of 170 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: what it is, I mean, it could be extremely emotional, 171 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: especially how do you transform that into a song that 172 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: captures their essence? What's that magic that happens in that translation? 173 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: Sure? I mean it's so hard to pick like my 174 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: favorite from the last five years, but I guess what 175 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: I would say is there are two that have stuck 176 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: with me just because I think that they like sort 177 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: of speak to the mission. One is, there was a 178 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: woman out west in California, and she really wanted to 179 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: marry her sweetheart, like her longtime partner or boyfriend, you know, 180 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: on Valentine's Day, Like that had been her dream. But 181 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: obviously she was in hospice, and so there was a 182 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: chance that like she wasn't going to make Valentine's Day 183 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: and there wasn't going to be a wedding, and you know, 184 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: but we thought, well, there's got to be a way 185 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: we can, at least, if for nothing else, write this song, 186 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: you know. And so sometimes like they're born so naturally, 187 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: like if people send us a lot, like they I'll 188 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: get like a novel. Sometimes sometimes I get one word. 189 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: It's like okay, wells, but you know this, this particular 190 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: person had sent a lot about the love that she 191 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: had experienced, and so we ended up writing a song 192 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: when that was not only her story with her partner, 193 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: but it ended up being the song that they did 194 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: in fact dance to, like under a willow tree on 195 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: Valentine's Day out in California, and she passed very shortly after, 196 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: but like she got to dance to a song that 197 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: like I almost sort of feel she wrote, you know, 198 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: wrote like she sent to me. And so some of 199 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: them just sort of happen. I feel like it's like 200 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: you're like a sponge for someone's story. Yeah, and some 201 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: take a little bit more, a little bit more work. 202 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: More finesse. How I mean, that's that's a lot to 203 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: take in, especially if they're I mean emotionally, how do 204 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: you prepare yourself to deal with some of these stories 205 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: because they're really tough? 206 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: Well, I do you think? I remember you talking to 207 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: Jelly Roll about how like, you know, he's such an 208 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: EmPATH and he kind of just like soaks it all up. 209 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 2: And I definitely have experienced a lot of that. Like 210 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: I'll I dream sometimes about these songs or these these 211 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: patients or you know, I it's hard to not you know, 212 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: internalize a lot of it. But I also have an 213 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: incredible community around me. You know, I'm so close to 214 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: my family and my brother and sisters, and my mom 215 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: and dad and my best buddies and a lot of 216 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: them are actually now a part of the of the charity. 217 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: Not my my brothers and sisters, but you know, we 218 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: have other songwriters now that have joined us, and so 219 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: it's really nice to be able to say, like, hey, 220 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 2: you know, what did you think about writing this one thing, 221 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 2: and like we can kind of like bounce it off 222 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: of each other and talk about it, because yeah, it's 223 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: I have to say, for somebody who is like perpetually 224 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: probably annoyingly cheerful, it's been a very hummice to me too. 225 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 226 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: I was about to say, I feel like I feel 227 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: like you get that. 228 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: It's a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing and 229 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: a curse, because I feel sometimes, you know, if it's 230 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: if you have a hard time finding that joy in 231 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: your own life, it's really hard to be around people 232 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: who can't help but be joyful even when they're not joyful, 233 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: because it's just a mechanism that you can't control within yourself. 234 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this has forced me to kind of tap 235 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: into heavier parts, you know, like to like definitely more 236 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: like soulful parts and kind of like just sitting with 237 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: a story and just observing and listening and like not really, 238 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: I have to be honest, like this is a bit 239 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: of an aside, but even as a songwriter, like I 240 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: don't really write love songs so much anymore, Like I 241 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: don't really write from my experience as much after this 242 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: because I find myself being like so in tune with 243 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: other people's stories. So that's been sort of interesting journey. 244 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: What's been the most emotionally since we're talking about it, 245 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: powerful response that you've received from someone after like sitting 246 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: there hearing your song? I mean, are you sometimes able 247 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: to be in the room or on zoom or somehow 248 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: with them when they hear it the first time, because 249 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: I would want to. It would be like giving someone 250 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: you know something so special. 251 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: No, it's a great question. We have so many incredible 252 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: like hospices and hospitals that we write for, but I'd 253 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: say the one we're writing for probably the most the 254 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: last few years is a place out west called Hospice 255 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: of the Valley. And a big shout out to Lisa. 256 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: She's our social worker extraordinaire and so she's amazing. You 257 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: would love her and she basically started this early days 258 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: of the pen pandemic where she would take the lyrics 259 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: so we always would send. Obviously, we were born in 260 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: a time where we couldn't be in the same room 261 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: with people, so we'd be sending MP three's, and we've 262 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: we've maintained that even beyond, like I'd love to be live, 263 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: but it just didn't happen that way, and so we're 264 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: kind of just following that, you know, so we send 265 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: the MP three. Sometimes an artist will send a video 266 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: shout out. Sophie B. Hawkins sent one. I think Sarah 267 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: macglaughlin might have said, like people have sent them and 268 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: that's been incredible. But always it's the MP three and 269 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: then the lyric is paired with it. So what Lisa 270 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: started doing was printing and framing these lyrics and so 271 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: they would be bedside, you know, next to the patient 272 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: so they could hear their song and then they could 273 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: have it framed. And so I've had a few people 274 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 2: say like, you know, oh, we had to move patients 275 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: so and so from this room to this room. You know, 276 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: there's like not a maybe a ton of time left, 277 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: but like they're much more comfortable, Like we found them 278 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: a much better place. But they kept asking for that frame, 279 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: like they kept asking for that song, you know, like 280 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: they wanted to read their lyrics and so that was 281 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: like so moving when I would hear those stories, or 282 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: even just hear Lisa's account of like being there in 283 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: the room with a patient when she got to hear 284 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: the song, or you know, hearing from families after the fact. 285 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: Sometimes we don't know the families, like we just know 286 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: them through their stories and through these amazing first responders, 287 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: but hearing from a family occasionally, like hey, it's been 288 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: a year, but we still play this song. I just 289 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: the idea that like somebody's legacy can be kept alive 290 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: in like such a small way, but in this very 291 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: tangible way, has been pretty powerful. Yeah, we'll be. 292 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: Right back with more of the Music Saved Me podcast. 293 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast. 294 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: Music in and of itself, obviously is powerful, And I'm curious, 295 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: you know your relationship with music now after doing this, 296 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: has it changed now that you understand how much more 297 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: it can he in ways that maybe you didn't think 298 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: of before. Is it any different now? And also, what 299 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: do you think it is? Is it listening to lyrics 300 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: about themselves? Is it listening to lyrics that someone else wrote, 301 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: even if it was a song that wasn't about them? 302 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: Is it the rhythm? Is it the the the chord 303 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: progressions like what is it do you think that makes 304 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: it so healing? 305 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: There's like so many good questions in that Sorry, no, 306 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: I mean that is like I want to like my 307 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: ADHD is like going a million no, so I can 308 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: speak to like what what I hope is powerful for 309 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: them is just this idea that like kind of the 310 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: same as when it was born, Like this idea that 311 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: you know, I come from a culture, you know, big 312 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: Irish family where we celebrate life, you know, and so 313 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: obviously as painful and as hard as this time can be, 314 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: when somebody's about to pass or passing, like we find 315 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: a way to make sure that they know like how 316 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: much we loved all of these things about them, you know. 317 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: And so I think what I've tried to do here 318 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: and again in a tiny way is find a way 319 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: to say like thank you, you know, like thank you 320 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: for this amazing gift, Like thank you for this thing 321 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: that you shared, thank you for this sharing, you know, 322 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: wanting to dance under an oak tree on your wedding. 323 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: Like I think that when people can hear themselves in 324 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: a song, you know' hear their story in a song, 325 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: it's just sort of a powerful way to like witness 326 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: that very story, and so my hope and and maybe 327 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: this is like I'm being idealistic, but my hope would 328 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: be that like that would be for me if that happened, 329 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: that would be such a peaceful way to leave the world, 330 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: you know, knowing that like there was some kind of 331 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: way that I had like moved somebody, you know. Yes, 332 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: as far as like what they hear or like what 333 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: sticks with them? I always always feel like we should 334 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: almost have like a classification, like you know how there's 335 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: like you know, you're a Leo, You're a Gemini, You're 336 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: a whatever, Myers Briggs, you know. I always I feel 337 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: like people should almost be grouped by like what do 338 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: you hear first? Right, Like you like, do you hear 339 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: the beat? Like you know, do you want to move? 340 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: Like what what is it? That kind of like grabs 341 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 2: you because I have so many friends who are like, 342 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: oh my god, I just heard that new song and 343 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: like and then you're like, god, isn't it powerful? Like 344 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: all those words? Can you believe that was about whatever? 345 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, I didn't even hear the word. 346 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: No, I was just I was just grooving to the melody. 347 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, So so I never really know what patients here. 348 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: It's it's a great Yeah, it's a great question. But 349 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 2: maybe it's something we should actually ask us, like a 350 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: follow up to the families that could to hear them. 351 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it would be interesting to know what 352 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: touches the most. But I've always wondered that in general, 353 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: in music, what is it for you? What exactly is it? Yeah? 354 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: For me, well interesting. When I was a kid, it 355 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: was all about the harmonies, the the instruments, the crescendos, 356 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: the choruses, all you know, the voices, the sound. It 357 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: wasn't the word, except if I was like breaking up 358 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: with a boyfriend and I turned on Magic one O 359 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: sixty seven and they played Chicago's like hold Me Now 360 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: hard for me to say, I'm sorry sticks. But other 361 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: than that, it was always about that, Yes, And now 362 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: that I'm older, it's all about the words. I mean, 363 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: the melody is there, of course, and I love things 364 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: with string sections and stuff in them. You know, the 365 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: more layers the better for me. But the words definitely 366 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: mean more now and now I look back on some 367 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: of those songs I loved and I realized, Wow, I 368 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: didn't even realize the sentiment behind these things, you know, 369 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: that was. 370 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: About, you know, or what that person was going through. 371 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: Like that's another fascinating you never just one more story 372 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: real quick about oh please, Yeah. I like to call 373 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: her my other co writer. But there was this beautiful 374 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: probably fifteen at the time, fourteen year old girl that 375 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: reached out to us in the pandemic and she was like, 376 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: you know, hey, I have this this story I want 377 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: to share and I would love to see if somebody 378 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: would write a song. Right, So she was one of 379 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: the ones I'm talking about that like sent the novel 380 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: and it was all about her, her dad and how 381 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: you know, they'd have a really very very tight relationship now, 382 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: but kind of growing up it was a little bit bumpy. 383 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: There was a divorce, there was all this stuff, and 384 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: she she didn't always know how to relate to him. 385 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: They didn't always you know, see eye to eye, but 386 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: both God and music like they shared, you know, so 387 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: like that was sort of what kept them together. And 388 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: she tells me just these beautiful accounts. I mean, like 389 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: he was you know, he served for the Air Force, 390 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: or he did this, or he did that, or like 391 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: he loved this. But the biggest thing she could remember 392 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: was we shared a sense of music, like we loved 393 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 2: the same bands, and like the more that she knew that, 394 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: the closer she felt to him. So anyways, she ends 395 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: up sending me her story. I'm so touched by it 396 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: to this day. It's probably one of my favorite ones 397 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: that ever came in. I wrote the song in like 398 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: an hour, Like it was so quick because I feel 399 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: like Kayla that was her name, like almost wrote it 400 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: with me, Like she gave me so much and I 401 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: could just see and picture her dad, you know, so 402 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: fast forward to he ended up passing away shortly after 403 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: he was about he was about my age. I think 404 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: at the time he was like thirty six. The sentiment 405 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: like what she was able to share and then what 406 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 2: this song was able to do. She's still in touch 407 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: with us to this day, and we actually just recorded 408 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: I hope she doesn't hear this because it's surprise for her, 409 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: but for Christmas, we just recorded the song and it 410 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: ended up being called Singing Your Name, And the idea 411 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: is like, even after you're gone, I'll go on singing 412 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: your name, you know, And so that's actually going to 413 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: be the song for our charity based on this story 414 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: told to us through Kayla about her Dad Luke and 415 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: produced by my buddy Scott Gerard of Little Feet and 416 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: like recorded by these just amazing musicians and all thanks 417 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: to you know, just someone reaching out and saying, Hey, 418 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: I have a story about somebody that I that I love. 419 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I have goosebumps. That's so exciting. You 420 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: have to record that when you tell her a big 421 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: deal that it will send her to this Yes, please 422 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: do I have a couple more questions for you? What 423 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: a lovely story and what an amazing thing that you 424 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: get to do that you created yourself. I just think 425 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: it's just it still makes What do you think music 426 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: can do in that other forms of comfort and therapy cannot? 427 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: And what is your dream for the future for a 428 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: song for you? 429 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think music sometimes speaks to things that we 430 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: don't always have the words for. Like I think that 431 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: it you know, like these heavier things that are really 432 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 2: hard to process. Like I think if you can process 433 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: them in a song like one, you're really lucky if 434 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: you have that, if that's sort of your outlets as 435 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: a musician. But two, you're really lucky if that's how 436 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 2: you process things. Because I think it, I think it 437 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: can it's almost like a moment in time, like it 438 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 2: captures this really special thing, but then it can live forever, 439 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: like well beyond any of us, you know. I also 440 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: think on a more fun note, like it's the great 441 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: like Joiner, like it just joins everybody, Like I mean, 442 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: you can be a Democrat, you can be a Republican, 443 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: you can live in you know, the Middle East, you 444 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: can live here, you can and and and yet we 445 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: can all be like bopping along to the same song 446 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: like I I've always found that so fascinating, and so 447 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: I think that that is probably its greatest gift, is 448 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: like I don't know many other mediums, Like I love 449 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: to dance. I can't really dance, but I'm obsessed to dance. 450 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: Dancing. Ye I'm not. 451 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: Quite that bad, but like I'm the first dance more 452 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: like I just last to leave. I love it. But 453 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: like I have that gift, you know. But I feel 454 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 2: like people are moving together and it's really special. Or 455 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: I love to go see my friends do comedy, like 456 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 2: that's an incredible But I don't know anything like a 457 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: song to be able to like link people so quickly. 458 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: And I even think about you know, my own like 459 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: my own dad, right so my my my mom was 460 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: the teacher. You know, my sister's a teacher. My grham 461 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: was the singer. But my dad is this great lover 462 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: of music. I always call him like a secret singer 463 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: because like I'll come home and he's got like Patsy 464 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: Klein records playing, or he's got like or or he'll 465 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: have the voice on, you know, and I'm like, I've 466 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: never seen the boys, dad, And every week he's like, 467 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: who's gonna win, who's predicted to what their story is? 468 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: Like he's amazing, like he just and and I think 469 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: my brothers too, Like I it's really interesting how sometimes 470 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: you don't even there's so many ways that were so different, 471 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: but then like these things that join us, like as 472 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: a family, we share a sense of humor. I think 473 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: we also share a sense of like the role that 474 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: music has played in our lives. 475 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what you just said so beautifully 476 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: is and I'm going to reverse it. We all have 477 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: more in common than we don't. Yeah, that's so much. 478 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: We are more. 479 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: Alike than we know that we realize, and we look 480 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: at it as differences. But I would say that we're 481 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: probably more alike than we even know. 482 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: I wish that was my answer. 483 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: That's really had your answer was perfect, but it said 484 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: that in the opposite way. So and that's and it 485 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: is true. I mean things that we all love together, 486 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: that we can all have a talk about and we 487 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: can all communicate about from different angles. That's totally separate 488 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: from things that separate us. 489 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: And in a time like right now, when I feel 490 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: like we are probably more divided than ever, which sometimes 491 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: like the idealist in me gets a little bummed out about. 492 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: To be honest, I do think like music is still 493 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: like you're all at a concert, dance into the same song, 494 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: doesn't matter how you voted, so true, like maybe remember 495 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: that you know it's true. 496 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: And Emily, how can people find Emily Cavanaugh if they 497 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: need a song? 498 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: Okay, so how do they find you? Great question? So 499 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: we are we go buy a song for you? We 500 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: always will because that's how we were born, and we 501 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 2: were named after the Donny Hathaway song and like such 502 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: a special story to how right amazing, But we've also 503 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 2: elevated or tried to like grow. You know now that 504 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: we're our own official charity. So our chair is called 505 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: Song for You Foundation, And recently we were told that 506 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 2: we should probably operate by songfo You dot org because 507 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: there's another we didn't know this, but there's actually a 508 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: for profit we're nonprofit. There's a for profit company that 509 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: sends like clowns and face painters in and they're called 510 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: a Song for You. So we're being very Emily. 511 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: Is not going to show up in full clown makeup. 512 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: No, I don't want to disappoint you, but I can't clown. 513 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: No clowning around. This is serious business, all right. 514 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: So we'll always sort of go by a Song for 515 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: You music Initiative, but Song for You Foundation, so you 516 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: can find us a Song for You dot org. And 517 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: if you just want to hear some of my music 518 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: as a singer songwriter, yes, silly Cavanaugh and that's you know, 519 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: on Spotify or iTunes or just Emily Kavanaugh music. 520 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: Awesome. All right. My last question for you is, Emily Cavanaugh, 521 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: did music save you? 522 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: I knew you were going to ask this, which is 523 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: why I have a whole roll of toilet paper. 524 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: So okay, and we're laughing, okay, all right. 525 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: Because I was like, this is going to be your 526 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: Oprah moment. It did? I would say, when I think 527 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: about the things that make my life up. It's first 528 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: my family. It's then my friends, and many of my 529 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: friends are like my family now right, and then it 530 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: is music. Whiskey somewhere in the mix, but it's definitely music. 531 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: Now we're off the wine. 532 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 2: It is only like one o'clock in New York. But 533 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: I would say in my own experience, so these last 534 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: five years, when my health changed, and I know, you know, 535 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: Buzz had shared some of that with you, I stopped 536 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: walking for a while, lived through a very crazy time 537 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: in the pandemic, you know, that was mainly due to 538 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: long COVID, and then was recently diagnosed with a blood disorder, 539 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: and kind of have been, you know, going through various 540 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 2: have an amazing team of doctors and amazing people in 541 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: my corner, but have definitely had to sort of feel 542 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: the shifts of what happens when something happens out of 543 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: the blue, LI like that, and all the while, you know, 544 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: looking after my mama, who herself was diagnosed with leukemia 545 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: last year. So I think that when things get heavy, 546 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: like when things are light, I always know where to 547 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: go because I have all these amazing people and like 548 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: these incredible places, and I think when things get heavy 549 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: or hard, or they surprise you, or they come at 550 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: you like life can do as you get a little older. 551 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: Though I'm foreverage twenty nine, I turned to music. I 552 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: do hope that, and I always say in some small way, 553 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: because I'm not doing anything that's going to change the world, 554 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: but in some small way, I hope that the ways 555 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: that I've been saved and been able to feel such 556 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: joy through this very medium I can bring to other people. 557 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: That's a beautiful sentiment. And I'm going to tell you that, 558 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, an act of kindness, Yeah, whatever it is, 559 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: in any myriad ways, is it does change the world. 560 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, but you know what you're doing does 561 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: change the world. So thank you for that. And I'm 562 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: sorry that you've had some heavy stuff come down on you. 563 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: And the fact that you're willing to share that with 564 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: people who now understand that they're not alone is it's 565 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: invaluable and I can't thank you enough for doing that. 566 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know that we. 567 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: Have our mutual friend in buzz Yeah, yeah, no, I 568 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: love taking a Walk podcast, which ironically I joked like 569 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: I couldn't walk for a while. But I'm so glad 570 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: that we took the walk after the fact, I am, yes, podcast, 571 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: but no, I have to tell you, like, one thing 572 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: that's been amazing is the perspective, you know, being in 573 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: and out of the hospital. And I'm okay, now you know, 574 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: I've got it kind of sorted and I will live 575 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: with this the rest of my life. But I'm like, 576 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: I know what to do to take care of it. 577 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: So but at the time, when we still weren't sure 578 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: what was going on, I have I have to tell 579 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: you it was wild to be in and out of 580 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: the hospital, writing for people in and out of the hospital, 581 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: and the perspective that it gave me, like was immense. 582 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: Like I really I used to say, like, you know, 583 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: every day is a gift, and we all say that, 584 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: you know, and I believed it, but it was a 585 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: bit of a latitude. But like now it's just like 586 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: I feel that in my bones, like every day is 587 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: a gift. 588 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: Yes it is. Isn't that interesting? As we get older, 589 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: those little sayings we always say, we don't really realize 590 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: how they are, what they really mean until they affect us. 591 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've never met more I think than it 592 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: does now. 593 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure does. Well. Love to Mum and the 594 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: whole giant Cavanaugh Irish family. I have been. I've been 595 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: to many Irish wakes, so I do know how much 596 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: you celebrate life and it's an amazing thing. And you 597 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: always you're very funny, so you always kind of keep 598 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: that humor even though life can throw your curve balls 599 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: when you least expect it. And yeah, you're at it right, 600 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: Yeah you do. 601 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: So lovely to meet you and thank you for taking 602 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: the time. 603 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Likewise, Emily Kavanaugh, thank you for being 604 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: on music Save Me and I can't wait to catch 605 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: up with you again very soon to hear all the 606 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: amazing things that you're doing that's changing the world with 607 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: your music. Thank you. 608 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: Thanks Lynn,