1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: I am six forty. You're listening to the John Cobel 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We're on every day from 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: one until four o'clock. After four o'clock John Cobel Show 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: on demand on the iHeart app. And if you weren't 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: here about one point thirty in the first hour of 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: the show, you'll want to hear the interview we did 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: with the pastor for Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk's family. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: He's based here in Newbury Park in Toura County, Pastor 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Rob McCoy of Godspeak Cavalry Chapel. He was with the 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Kirk family and when I spoke with him earlier in 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: the show, and that interview will be on the podcast 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: to be posted after four o'clock because he Kirk credited 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: with McCoy as convincing him to start mixing combining his 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: Christian beliefs with his political messaging, and it made his 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: following even bigger. All right, let's now get back. It 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: looks as press conference hasn't happened yet. You have that 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: story about the ammunition with the transgender ideology engraving in it, 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: but not much else new, and there's plenty of stuff 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: that the California government is doing to you, starting with 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom and the impending eight dollars a gallon gas. 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Michael Machee in just a moment. 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: He's the USC professor who alerted us to this coming up, 23 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: and now Newsom is frantically trying to He tried to 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: find a buyer for Valero, whose refinery is being shut 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: down in Benetia, and I guess nobody wanted it because 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: now he's offering them hundreds of millions of dollars to 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: keep the refinery running. Anyway, that would be our tax money. 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: And he's also suddenly really excited about new oil drilling. 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: He had shut down drilling to almost zero in the state. 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: So let's talk to Michael Machee. 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: How are you, hey, John, how are you today? First 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: before we get into this tough day, And I'd like 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: to compliment you and the KFI family for your coverage thoughtfulness. 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I'm Charlie Kirk, Thank you very much. Yeah, 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: it is it is really Uh, it's hard. It's hard 36 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: to do, but you know, people, people need to hear 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: other voices and hear people thinking and talking and going 38 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: through the whole grieving process, and so hopefully we're able 39 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: to do that. Michael, you were the first to alert 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: the world that we were headed towards eight dollars gas 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: and I know you got a lot of blowback and 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: insults and smears from the NEWSOB administration. But now it 43 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: looks like he's a convert and his actions indicate that 44 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: he seems to be in a panic. He was trying 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: to get an outside buyer for the Valero Benetia refinery. 46 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: What happened to that plan? 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: Well, you know who wants to buy a refinery in California. 48 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: You know, you have a governor whose flip flop from 49 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: demonizing the industry, alleging price galloging very vocal about refiners 50 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: ripping people off in the high gasoline prices, and so 51 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: irrespective of the enticement money of two hundred and eighty million, 52 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: which is the number that was published to have the 53 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: refinery stay operating in the state of California that was 54 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: offered to Valero, or thought about being offered to Valero 55 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: and trying to find a foreign buyer to buy the 56 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: refinery in Benicia. Who's going to enter the state under 57 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: these conditions. Even Chevron has warned quite vocally in the 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: last two weeks about the things need to change in California. 59 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: So Gavin and the gang in Sacramento are locked down 60 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: in secret meetings trying to con ure up a solution 61 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: to honestly a problem that they created. And so today, 62 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: the irrespective of what we're saying or hearing, you know, 63 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: the price of gasoline today is forty five percent higher 64 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: in California than across the nation. And since Gavin has 65 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: taken office in January of twenty nineteen, California gasoline prices 66 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: have increased by forty two percent. The state excise tax 67 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: has increased by twenty nine percent, our refinery capacity has 68 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: declined by twenty one percent, our production of oil in 69 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: state has declined by forty five percent. And our drilling permits, 70 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: which is sort of the centerpiece of the of the 71 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: new idea, they plummeted by ninety eight percent. 72 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, he got rid of ninety eight percent 73 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: of the of the drilling permits. 74 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the permits plummeted by a ninety seven point twenty 75 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: six percent over his administration. 76 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 77 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: So now the latest idea is to is to allow 78 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: for up to two thousand drilling permitits in Kerrent County. 79 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: Now most of those have already been applied for, and 80 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: you know we're sitting in litigation or suspension. But the 81 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: latest centerpiece is to allow up to two thousand new 82 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: drilling permits and Current which is great. We need that production, 83 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: there's no question about. It's terrific for Current County, terrific 84 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: for California. Most importantly, that production is needed to maintain 85 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: the pipeline, and I think we had that discussion a 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: few weeks ago. 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: Yes, without enough oil going through the pipeline, it's going 88 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: to get shut down because this is not enough oil pressure, right. 89 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: So if it gets shut down, then data effects the 90 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: northern California refineries and so they could lose as much 91 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: as another eighty to one hundred and twenty thousand bars 92 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: a day of gasoline production if that pipeline shuts down. 93 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: But there's more to it than that pipeline though in 94 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: Current County, because the economics of the oil global oil 95 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: industry come into play. It's the cost of production and 96 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: the break even points, right. So the reason why the 97 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: price of gasoline is down across California and throughout the 98 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: nation is really directly attributed to Trump's policies. So we've 99 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: had to drill, baby drill. We've increased production, and since 100 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: assuming office in January, crude price oils. The price of 101 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: crude oil has dropped nineteen percent under this administration. That 102 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: costs the drop in gasoline prices at the retail level 103 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: in our level. So but our differential is still forty 104 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: five percent higher than the rest of the nation. So 105 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: the point is, even though they're increasing or thinking about 106 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: increasing production in current county with these with these permits, 107 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: there's no guarantee that once you have the permit, you're 108 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: going to drill. There's no guarantee that once you have 109 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: the permit, you're going to find oil. And there's no 110 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: guarantee that once you have the oil, you're gonna have 111 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: sufficient oil that pipeline to keep it alive. And so 112 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: the state needs to look more holistically across other sources 113 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: La County, Venturer County, Santa Barbara County, you know, for 114 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: additional oil. The point is, under all in any scenario, 115 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: the cost of gasoline is going to go up. 116 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: We had an assemblyment on from the Bakersfield area the 117 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: other day and he spent fifty he has spent fifty 118 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: years in the business, and he agreed with what you 119 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: said that we're looking at, you know, eight to ten 120 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: dollars a gallon over time. Now, what about this plan 121 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: just to give Benetia hundreds of millions of dollars to 122 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: keep the refinery open, using state tax money to keep 123 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: it open. 124 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's the last number I saw that was published 125 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: was two hundred and eighty million dollars, And ostensibly that 126 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: was for to help out with maintenance and repairs and 127 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: sustainability of it. But that's really, you know, a clandescent 128 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: way of subsidizing gasoline prices in the state. But you know, 129 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: if you really think it through, if you're if you're 130 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: a refiner now and you see that the Nancier has 131 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: been offered two hundred and eighty million, I would think 132 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: other refineries are sort of lining up saying, gee, I 133 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: think I'll go out of business too. Where's my two 134 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty million, where's my five hundred million, where's 135 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: my one hundred million? 136 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: This is this is such a disastrous policy. There's really 137 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: no way out of it. You simply have to drastically 138 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: reduce the taxes and drastically reduce all the regulations. That's 139 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: the only way to fix this. 140 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: Absolutely so today if we just look at the at 141 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: the cost of legislation today, all right, the way the 142 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: way our taxes and fees work in the state, it's 143 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: about twenty seven percent of the price of gasoline at 144 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 2: the pump, and when you add the federal into it, 145 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: it's about twenty nine to thirty percent for the price 146 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: of gasoline at the pump. We have the highest state 147 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: excise tax in the country at sixty one point sixty 148 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: two point one cents a gallon. So it's you know, 149 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: it's it's a fantasy land in Sacramento as to how 150 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: they're going to go about fixing this. What is required 151 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: is a complete repeal of existing legislation and a restructuring 152 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: of the legislation to provide, you know, an economically viable 153 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: and regulatorily hospitable, hospitable environment for these refiners and producers 154 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: to operate in. 155 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: All right, Michael Michee, thank you for coming on with us. 156 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks you, John. 157 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: All right, Michael Michee from usc MARK coming up. 158 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 159 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: six forty. 160 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: We are on every day from one until fourth and 161 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: after four o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand on the 162 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: iHeart app. You know, after Charlie Kirk was assassin, Gavin 163 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: Newsom ran right to X and sent out a tweet 164 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: about how vile and disgusting. Uh, this assassination was and 165 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: this all has to stop. There is nobody on earth 166 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: who's a bigger phony than Gavin Newsom. I'm actually astonished. 167 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: I am in awe of him. I don't know how 168 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: he does it. I mean we have covered hundreds and 169 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: hundreds of phonies from all the industries and this he's 170 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: this is he is like Michael Jordan or show Hey 171 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: o Tani. I mean, nobody touches him when it comes 172 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: to the shamelessness of his hypocrisy and phoniness. He went 173 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,479 Speaker 1: on and this just just turned up today a podcast 174 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: called The Siren, and he was talking about the redistricting. 175 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: You know, Texas is going to redraw the district, so 176 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: California has to fight back and redraw theirs. And here's 177 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: what he said. 178 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 4: Nothing conservative about this, by definition, nothing conservative about that. 179 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 5: This is radical. 180 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: Rigging of a midterm election, Radical rigging of an election destroying, 181 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: vandalizing this democracy, the rule of law. 182 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 5: So I'm sorry. I know some people's sensibilities. 183 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 4: I respect and appreciate that, but right now, with all 184 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: due respect, we're walking down a damn different path. 185 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 5: We're fighting fire with fire, and we going to punch 186 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 5: these sons in the mouth. 187 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: There we go, punch these sons of bleeps in the mouth. 188 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: A call to violence from Gavin Newsom over redrawing congressional districts, 189 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: and then he stands up and decries the violence and politics. 190 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: That was pretty aggressive. That was from August twentieth. I 191 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: don't want to defame the guy and make him look 192 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: more ridiculous than he already is. 193 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 5: I want to punch these sons in the mouth. 194 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, Yeah, mister tough guy. And believe me, 195 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: all those Texas politicians they're really afraid of you. They 196 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: that the last thing they want is Gavin Newsom punching them. 197 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 5: I want to punch these sons of in the mouth. 198 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: You imagine the pain from a Gavin Newso punch. 199 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 5: I want to punch these sons in the mouth. 200 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he is just such a clown. Please please 201 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: run for president. Please be two years of just golden material. 202 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, there's some strange stories 203 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: connected to the Charlie Kirk assassination. We're gonna talk about 204 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: out the mystery man with a beard and the retired 205 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: banker who was whose reputation was completely destroyed. He was 206 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: living quietly in Canada when millions of people on the 207 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Internet decided that he killed Charlie Kirk. Tell you about 208 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: it we come back. 209 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI Am 210 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: six forty. 211 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: We are on every day from one until four o'clock. 212 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Last call out here for the moist line eight seven 213 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: seven moist eighty six eight seven seven moisteady six. Or 214 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: you use a talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. Tomorrow 215 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna play it twice in the three o'clock hour. 216 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: And certainly there's been plenty of terrible things going on 217 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: this week that you can carry on about. We went 218 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: driving in today. I thought we were going to have 219 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: a lot new to talk about with the Charlie Kirk assassination, 220 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: because they were going to have a press conference. They 221 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: said there's been rapid developments in the case that Cash Betel, 222 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: the director of the FBI was flying in from Washington 223 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: and it was supposed to be a three forty five. 224 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: Well now it's three thirty seven and they haven't come 225 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: out to say anything. They are looking for a guy. 226 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: You might have seen his photo online, a tall, thin, 227 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: young guy with a wrap around sunglasses, a baseball cap, 228 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: a black T shirt with an American flag and a 229 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: bald eagle as part of the logo on the front 230 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: of it. And they have found his sniper's nest they 231 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: call it up on the roof of that building about 232 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: two hundred yards away. They found his rifle tossed in 233 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: the in the woods, along with other evidence. They have 234 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: a they have footprints, they have an arm print. They're 235 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: looking for DNA, and they have cartridges, unspent cartridges that 236 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: were in the rifle that had engravings on it, much 237 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: like Luigi Menngeone had engravings in the bullets that he 238 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: shot at that healthcare executive in New York City. Remember 239 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: it was it was the title of a book that 240 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: somebody had written about the ways the insurance companies screw 241 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: over their their customers and was denied defend in something else, 242 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: and that was engraved on on the cartridge or the bullets, Well, 243 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: same thing here. All they're doing is saying it describes 244 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: transgender ideology and anti fascist ideology. So you could bet 245 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: what the impetus for this was. And it was right 246 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: at the moment that Charlie Kirk was engaging about transgenderism 247 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: with an audience member. And I don't just me. Maybe 248 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm being conspirational, but I just think there was a 249 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: connection between that question at that moment and the bullet 250 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: that came at Charlie Kirk. And so I'll be honest, 251 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: I was aware of Charlie Kirk, but I never really 252 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: followed him very much. I didn't know. I knew he 253 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: was a great organizer of young voters. I knew Elon 254 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: Musk had contributed a lot of money during the Trump 255 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: campaign to Charlie Kirk's organization Turning Point for get out 256 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: the vote effort, which worked brilliantly, because I remember that 257 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: the Trump the Trump reelection campaign got a lot of 258 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: criticism that they weren't using traditional channels to get out 259 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: the vote, but they were experimenting with Charlie Kirk's organization, 260 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: but Musk paid for it, and they got a tremendous 261 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: increase in young voters through his organization. It's all that 262 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: I knew, but I never really spent any time listening 263 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: to him. I know we had a radio show in town, 264 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: obviously a very popular podcast. I want to play a 265 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: clip that was sent to me. I played it earlier 266 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: in the show, and I want to pair it with 267 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: a second clip, and maybe this will explain what happened. 268 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: Don't know for sure, but I have a feeling based 269 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: on that engraving on the bullet that we're in the 270 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: ballpark here, So let's play. Let's play the clip. This 271 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: is a transgender man. Well, I mean he's a biological man. 272 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: He's dressed in a pink dress with white frilly lace. 273 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: He's got beard, stubble, oversized, dark rim, glasses, a bit chunky, 274 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: and his voice you'll hear first challenging Charlie Kirk on 275 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: Kirk's transgender opinions. 276 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 6: You're part of the problem, I think with the hatred 277 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 6: on trans people. 278 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: It's really not that deep. Like, if someone wants to 279 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: dress up however they want, that's totally fine. 280 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 6: Okay, so I think I'm not I'm not preventing you 281 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 6: from dressing Yeah. Yeah, However, let me ask you a 282 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 6: question I will blush this out. So let's pretend you 283 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 6: say you are a woman. Yeah, I know you are 284 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 6: a man, but I refuse to call you a woman. Okay, 285 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 6: who's the hateful one? I would say you are? I 286 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 6: mean you're going to me and shame me, not a 287 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 6: second man, I'm the hateful one. It's really just like 288 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 6: it is never common courtesy to lie. You do not 289 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 6: become a thing just because you say it. 290 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: You are the thing. 291 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 6: And guess what, nobody in the history of the species 292 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 6: that was born xx or born x y and transition 293 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 6: is able to change their chromosomes. Every one of your 294 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 6: cells is coded either xx or x y. But then 295 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 6: it is an insult to women everywhere in this audience 296 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 6: and across the country. That's saying that you could just 297 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 6: have wear makeup and dress like a woman, undergo surgery, 298 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 6: that you magically become a woman. And it is the 299 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 6: abolition of women and is the abolition of reality. And 300 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 6: we see great, unjust human suffering because of it. 301 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: And he's right, XX means you're and x Y means 302 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: your man. That's biology. And no matter how you dress up, 303 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: and you know, listen to what he said closely, because 304 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want, you can call yourself 305 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: whatever you want, but don't expect me to go along 306 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: with it, because at the root of this is your 307 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: biological chromosomal makeup, and it is what it is. Of course, 308 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: this guy was insisting this was hatred, and who else 309 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: thought that well. An MSNBC political analyst Matthew Dowd went 310 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: on live television yesterday and said, this. 311 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: Talk to me about the environment in which a shooting 312 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: like this happens. 313 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, and again, emphasize what you just emphasize. We don't 314 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 7: know any of the details of this that we don't 315 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 7: know if this was a supporter or shooting their gun 316 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 7: off in celebration or so, we have no idea about this. 317 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 7: But following up what was just said, he's been one 318 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 7: of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this 319 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 7: who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate 320 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 7: speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I 321 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 7: always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, 322 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 7: which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's 323 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 7: the environment we're in that people just you can't stop 324 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 7: with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then 325 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 7: saying these awful words and. 326 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 5: Not expect awful actions to take place. 327 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 7: And that's the unfortunate environment we're in. 328 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: So it was Charlie Kirk's fault. He got assassinated because 329 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: he engaged in hate speech. And the hate speech I 330 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: guess an example would have been that guy in the 331 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: pink dress, and Kirk was just pointing out It's like, 332 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: well you could wear the dress, no one's going to 333 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: stop you, but that doesn't change your chromosomes. Now that's 334 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: not hate speech, that's biology, it's the truth. But here 335 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: you have an MSNBC analyst and Matthew Dad's been in 336 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: politics for years. I think he's been dating Maria Shriver 337 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: for years, and he goes on TV and said, well, 338 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: awful words, awful actions are gonna take place. Fortunately, and 339 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: I was really surprised by this. MSNBC actually fired the guy, which, boy, 340 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: when you get fired by MSNBC management, that is nearly 341 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: impossible to do. What Charlie Kirk was fighting for was 342 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: free speech. He can say that even if he's wrong, 343 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: even if you disagree, have a conversation, hash it out. 344 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: Maybe he changes your mind, maybe you change his, Maybe 345 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: nobody changes their mind. Maybe you both walk away pissed off. 346 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: But he's allowed to say that, and you're allowed to 347 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: have a reaction. And what Matthew Dowd said was saying, well, 348 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna say that, Hey, you're gonna get a bullet 349 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: in the neck and you die. Okay, I guess that 350 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: is that the rules. Now. It's been getting there for 351 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: the last ten years or so. People have been fired, ostracized, shamed, 352 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: just pilloried over something they said or wrote, which used 353 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: to be legal in this country until the progressive movement 354 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: took over and a lot of it's online and online 355 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: behavior is really crazy. Listen to this. Here's a seventy 356 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: seven year old man named Michael Mallinson. He's minding his 357 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: own business in Canada, two thousand miles away from where 358 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: the shooting happened. He got a frantic call from his daughter. 359 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: There were thousands of social media posts identifying Michael Mallinson 360 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: as the sniper who murdered Charlie Kirk. It was fake 361 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: news that started on a fake news site which claimed 362 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: that Mallinson was the man seen being detained, the guy 363 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: who turned out to be you know, that old guy 364 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: who was not a suspect. But they arrested him. Briefly, 365 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: will somebody on the internet this is a prank or 366 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: insanity or what decided that? Well, that guy was Michael Mallinson. 367 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: I guess maybe he looked like the guy they had 368 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: on his knees. And he was called a far left extremist, 369 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: pure evil. One post said he was a Democrat. These 370 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: posts were viewed more than three million times. The information 371 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: came from a fake x account and it got shared 372 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: by millions. Everybody wanted to id the killer. He got 373 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: messages on Facebook rating him as a savage. He called 374 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: the local police. What are they gonna do? He can't 375 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: wipe himself off the internet? Stupid, stupid world. Social media 376 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: has been one of the most imaging inventions that mankind 377 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: has ever created. Got more coming up. 378 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI six. 379 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: The podcast will be posted after four o'clock. One thing 380 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: you ought to listen to if you have a chance, 381 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: the first hour at one. So halfway through the first 382 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: hour we had we had Tucker. I'm sorry. Charlie Kirk's 383 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: pastor Rob McCoy on Rob McCoy was in Arizona with 384 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: the Kirk family and McCoy has his church here locally, 385 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: it's the Godspeak Cavalry Chapel, the Godspeak Calvary Chapel in 386 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: Newbury Park. And he convinced Charlie Kirk a few years 387 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: ago to blend in his Christian beliefs with the political 388 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: message he for young people around the country. And Kirk 389 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: did and became even more popular. And Rob McCoy came 390 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: on with us to talk about his feelings and he 391 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: was with the family, and he also talked about how 392 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: Kirk dealt with a lot of death threats. Every day, 393 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: he got hundreds of death threats. 394 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: What. 395 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: The left wing progressives were frightened of. I probably his influence, 396 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: probably that he was getting young people to see there 397 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: was another way to look at the world, not just 398 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: through a progressive lens, with all the pathologies that brings. 399 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: Progressivism has done so much damage to the city, to 400 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: the state, to the country, to everything. It's just, you know, 401 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: short of the bubonic plague, it has really done a 402 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: lot of damage to society. And I guess there's a 403 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: lot of young people having grown up locked down with 404 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: with COVID and spending their lives staring at internet screens. 405 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: The man especially being bullied into silence because they were 406 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: considered what were they considered misogynists, homophobes, toxic masculinity. That 407 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: charge was thrown at them. And I know, having three young, 408 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: three boys now in their twenties and their friends, what 409 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: guys have been going through at high school and college. 410 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: There's been a tremendous amount of venom coming out of 411 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: teachers and professors and administrators. And I think a lot 412 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: of that Generation X, Generation X gen Z is really 413 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: fed up and sick of it. And they were attracted 414 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: to Charlie Kirk's message that there's other ways to look 415 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: at the world because progressivism is insane. It's really sick 416 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: and twisted. And so he's had a tremendous growth and 417 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: popularity and that's what terrified these people, and that's why 418 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: he was killed. I mean, I guess you know, when 419 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: you get hundreds of death threats, you know one of 420 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: them is going to come through. And hopefully we'll find 421 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: out maybe tonight if they have a lead on who 422 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: the guy is. But I tell you what this transgender insanity. 423 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: You had that shooting last week at the church in 424 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: Minnesota where he had an angry transgender guy who shot 425 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: up dozens of kids at the church, and people started 426 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: saying things about these transgender killers. In fact, that was 427 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: the subject that Kirk was discussing the moment he was hit. 428 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: And now you have on the cartridge this transgender engraving 429 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: some kind of phrase. More coming up. Conway is next, 430 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: and we'll see you tomorrow one o'clock. Deborah Mark is Oh, 431 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: she's in her car driving home. And Brigitta di Castino 432 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: in for Michael Krozer live in the KFI twenty four 433 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: hour newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to The John Cobalt 434 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: Show podcast. You can always hear the show live on 435 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: KFI Am six forty from one to four pm every 436 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: Monday through Friday, and of course, anytime on demand on 437 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app.