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Yeah, right now, Welcome 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:14.080 your Friday from dun My god, Rob, say Francis Franky 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:25.040 stand ball ladies and tell them in your p with 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.680 that we want to do inside of Studio thirty four. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.400 This is the BFFs his Frank staff for I am 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.400 Greg Sauceman are he was having? Greggy? I wish I 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.880 could say happy Monday. It's not really the happiest of 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.800 Mondays here today. Obviously we'll get into everything that happened 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.600 over the weekend. How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.280 it right, man, I'm doing it right. Didn't uh didn't 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:52.000 sleep great last night? I found whatever. It's awkward, but 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.400 I found whatever. Uh. I watched the pay per view. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.880 Before I go to bed, my mind wanders. You get amped. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.640 I always been amped up by adrenaline rushing from the Royal. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.040 The adrenaline. It's like me thinking of the possibilities of 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.040 a how it will get screwed up, what I liked, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.560 and be like, what they will do, what they should do? 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.800 And then my mind then turns to work, and then 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.240 I was like, I can't sleep. And then you wake 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.120 up a bunch of times thinking about work, and then 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.000 the next thing you know, there's the alarm. There's the alarm, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.560 six am. What is six am for you? Six thirty? 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.200 All right? Well, yeah, I did catch the end of 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:27.640 The Royal Room, but I didn't watch it in its 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.200 I watched so I had basically a lot of just 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.519 brock Lessner and Drew mcintier. I thought it was awesome. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.519 I thought the Royal was really cool. I I watched 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.680 that was amazing. Spoiler alert for those that haven't watched. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.520 UM So I had a pause it in the end 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.400 of the Daniel Bryan match because I was the fellow 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.400 of Mike for like an hour, hour, one minute to 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.600 be exact, and so I had the earpiece on my 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.800 laptop watching that that after the call, and we had 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.120 the Grammys on the big TV and that was our night. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.320 Grammys weren't so good, you know the best. You know 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.880 the best though, when I'm married to my wife because 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.239 any of these like big events that are on the 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:08.519 Sunday night, the Oscars, Grammys, uh, NFC Championship game, that 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.720 that kind of stuff. She's like, all right, So I 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.080 guess we're just like gonna make wings, right, Like, yeah, 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.079 yess we are. So we go to the supermarket. We 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.680 buy some wings and buy wings for the Grammys. Interesting, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.120 it was awesomely more so for the Royal Rumble. But 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.880 sure they fell on the same night, exactly right, That's 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.360 what I would have done WrestleMania. I'm sure we'll buy wings. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.239 So we go to supermarket, we buy wings, we toss 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.240 them in our own franks, in our own ranks, right, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.160 buy some Karason Celery, get some blue cheese. I'm married. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.000 There you go. It's awesome. It all works out. It was. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:43.400 It was awesome. Um, are you well? I mean, aside 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.880 from the obvious not great, obviously, Greg, I mean everything 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.320 that happened this weekend. I don't know if you want 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.200 to jump into it right now. Obviously, yeah. I mean, listen, 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.200 we're let's not being around the bush um to any 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.400 of this. So I'll say from my fresh back of 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.200 what what's going on? And then you could you can 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:01.360 time and we're gonna spend a lot of time talking 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.320 about Kobe Bryant. You can see behind us Kobe's two 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.840 numbers probably switching, but eight and twenty four um. And 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.480 I was watching Maryland yesterday and I saw this on 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:12.760 the air and in game line when I called in 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.320 when I was watching the Turfs and I got home 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.200 from the mall um and I put my phone to 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.440 the counter and I'm watching Maryland and they were the 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.239 normal disaster that they normally are if they're getting up fourteen. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.240 They went down to those points and I was cursing 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:29.800 and yelling and then they had like a big three ys. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.000 All right, let me up my phone and see what 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:36.000 my you know, my Maryland friends are saying. And here 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.599 was to know that you see Kobe. And my other 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.120 friend that was watching the games, did she see Kobe? Like, 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:41.840 oh yes, I turned away for a moment and like 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.279 I didn't see him at the in the Anna Maryland 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.320 game is whenever I missed I was like it was 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.560 weird that Kobe has had an Indiana Maryland game, but okay, 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.640 sure he likes basketball, big guy. And then Mike texted me, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.440 and this is truly how I found out. Mike texted 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.360 me a screenshot of in Game Live what we had 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.040 on at that time, and I was gonna. I was 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.400 going to tune in. I was gonna, you know, I 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.159 was watching Game Live after Maryland because I was exciting 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.120 to find you know, talk about it, and it said 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.280 what happened to Kobe? Kobe Bryant died, And I was like, 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.000 you just get you say it, you get goose bumps, 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.320 you say it, you get chills. And then I realized 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.600 what was going on. I couldn't believe it, and you 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.720 I felt bad because there's four minutes left in the 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.880 Maryland game. I felt bad, like reacting to that game 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.040 how I would any game where I was cheering and 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.880 yelling and screaming and booing and crying and that all 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.720 that stuff. Because somebody just died and wound up being 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:46.080 nine people just died. It was very, very sad. Now, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.800 as I said on in Game Live yesterday, I feel 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.320 bad for Kobe. Of course I feel heartbroken, but it's 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.920 it's his thirteen year old daughter, Joanna. That's just that's 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:59.760 what crushes me. Um, his wife Vanessa, his other three children, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.080 a baby that this is hard to say. We'll never 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:07.440 know who her father is. That is so so sad. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:09.800 Were there anything else in the world? And I just 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.280 put this cloud over the entire day on Sunday, And 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.760 when I was I joined the game live yesterday and 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.200 I gave my thoughts and when I contacted you, Frank 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:19.479 to do the same. We wanted all of her how 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.640 especially the ones that covered the NBA like you and 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.360 I do. Were watching NBA like you and I do, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.160 to discuss You go, I don't know what I could 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.440 do it without being emotional. I go, well, then you're 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.080 the right person to have on because hit you. Uh 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.280 it hit you very hard? Yeah it, dude. And you 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.760 know I'm not gonna try not to sound overly dramatic 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.760 about this. Obviously, this is a huge tragedy and thoughts 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.040 and prayers with all the families that are involved, not 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.040 just the Bryant family obviously, as you mentioned, Kobe and 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.120 his thirteen year old daughter involved in this tragedy. But yeah, look, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.479 the reason why I got into sports originally started playing basketball. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.120 It's my favorite sport. It was it was the first 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.240 sport that I ever played, you know, four or five 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.880 years old, right around the time that Kobe came into 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.520 the league. I mean everybody has their idols and their 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.520 favorite athletes and their favorite celebrities, and mine was Kobe. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.440 That's not just I'm not just saying that you knew 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.280 this beforehand. It's it's always been Kobe. A lot of 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.400 people look up to Derek Jeter. Again, it was this 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.000 was a time period that I was growing up in, so, uh, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.240 he was my guy. Kobe was my guy. So this 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.160 this was a tough one yesterday to to really tough 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.320 pill to swallow. Obviously, had to just like sit down 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.720 for like ten minutes. Couldn't even I didn't want to 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.840 want to go on Twitter. I had to get out 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.760 of the house, you know, go to the park actually, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.040 like went to go play basketball, like shoot around a 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.000 little bit because I didn't want to keep reading about it. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:38.600 I had to get my mind off of it do 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.440 something else. So yeah, that was you know how I 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.720 spent the majority of the day. It doesn't even it 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.360 doesn't feel real today still. Um, again, it's just an 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.440 unbelievable tragedy, and not just for Kobe again, it's the 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.640 nine people that were involved, all the families that are 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.240 involved here too. There was another child on board. I mean, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.880 they were going to his daughter's back basketball game. They 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.480 were and and he had done this countless times already 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.640 in the month of January. Everything that I've read like 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.920 he's he uses helicopters to get around um because it's frankly, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.600 it's quicker, and it's something he's done, you know, seemingly 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.320 so many times and nothing has ever happened. And obviously 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.760 what happened yesterday it was just you know, it takes 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.920 not just the sports world by storm, Greg, it takes 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.240 the entire world by storm. Everyone acknowledges it. It's the 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.720 impact that he had not only on basketball, but athletes 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.600 all around the world. You know, Naymar scores a goal 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.840 and he's throwing up the two four and you're hearing 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.120 chance break out at the at the Pro Bowl yesterday, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.880 and you know, teams taking the second violation to start 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.240 off NBA games yesterday, which in my opinion, I understand 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:41.520 that there's a lot of sponsors, is a lot of 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.760 money involved, but I don't think that basketball players are 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.400 playing basketball yesterday in the NBA. That's just personally my opinion. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.200 And we could talk about talk about this more after 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:56.719 the break. I mean his legacy as talent um, what 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.480 he did on the court. Talk more about when we 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.439 get back more of your bff's life legacy, Kobe Bryant. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:14.360 Look about it next time. 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Tailor Order dot Com where millionaires are made. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.480 Here on the bff S, Greg Susman and Frank Stampard 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:57.439 talking about the life uh of Kobe Bryant, And this 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.959 was a tough one for everybody because Kobe was Kobe 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.079 was not just an NBA player, He was a a 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:12.400 mega story superstar. He was the man for our entire 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:17.520 childhood for so many people, our age, that includes celebrities, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.280 that includes all athletes, that includes just fans. I mean, 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:22.839 he was the guy and he said as you mentioned, 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.040 like you looked up to he was your guy, and 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:32.000 you know, him perishing like that was unspeakable in all honesty, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.439 And I will say this, I wanted to want to 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.440 get this one off my chest for a while. Kobe 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.599 Bryant is a fantastic basketball player, unbelievable, basketbayer, one of 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.520 the top last basketball players of all time. He's one 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:52.160 of the top competitors of all time. But I don't 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.120 know Kobe Bryant the man. I don't know Kobe Bryant 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.439 the guy. And you see the statements from people like 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:01.200 Derek Jeter and Michael Jordan's say how how how much 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.120 he cared for his daughters and his wife and everything 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:09.000 You've seen, like he is a fantastic father coaching his 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.719 daughter in basketball, wanting her to go to Yukon, and 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:18.160 it's out the world ablaze playing basketball. But I do 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.760 find it hard in all honesty, Franks who forget Whobie's 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.800 past and transgressions. That is a part of him, that 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.920 is a part of his legacy, And even on a 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.920 day like today and the Daily yesterday, I don't think 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.520 it's fair for that to be forgotten either. I don't 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.120 think that you could just look at somebody and take 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.200 one side of the coin and not at least acknowledge 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.160 that the other part existed. And I don't think a 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.640 lot of people are just sweeping that under the rug. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.040 It's just hard to bring that up in in this 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.840 time of tragedy, right, Like, I don't think people are 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.080 forgetting anything that Kobe Bryant has done. And I thought 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.840 that Gabe kind of laid us out nicely earlier on today, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.439 on the morning after, he said by all accounts, he 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.320 was pushing for women's basketball and trying to help his daughter, 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.600 you know, potentially carry on the Kobe Bryant legacy, right 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.640 And I saw an awesome clip from Jimmy Kimmel where, 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.720 you know, Jimmy Kimmel asked him, Uh, well, you don't 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:11.920 have a you don't have a son, you don't have 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.920 someone to carry on your legacy. And he's like, yeah, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.680 people ask me that all the time when my daughter 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.760 is around and she just looks at them and says, no, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.960 that's me, Like, I'm going to carry on the legacy 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.280 like she wanted to play basketball and maybe even professionally 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.920 one day in the w n b A. But perhaps, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.800 you know, everything that Kobe has done in the past 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.599 couple of years in terms of, you know, trying to 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.439 to push women's basketball and be around with his family, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.120 it doesn't look it doesn't make it doesn't take away 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.520 anything that he's ever done, obviously, And I see what 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.480 you're saying in that regard, Greg, And you know, I'm 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.240 not gonna I don't think anyone is just gonna sweep 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.000 down under the rug and just forgive Kobe for that, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.679 because you know that's not how it should be, you 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.160 know obviously, Um, you know, people make mistakes, but it 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.160 still doesn't make it right. So I see what you're 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:56.640 saying in that regard. But but for me, again, like 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.319 it's harder for me because so much of how I 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.480 looked at Kobe was because of the athlete, right, because 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.079 of what we saw in the court and and the 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.680 competitiveness and the fire and the way that he played 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.559 and never back down attitude and always wanted the ball 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.840 and crunch time and willing to take on any assignment, 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:18.360 guard any player, take any shot, uh, shooting threes, mid range, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.559 driving to the rack. I mean, that's just so much 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.280 of what I remember, you know, trying to emulate that 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.319 on a basketball court. You know, a little ten year old, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.960 little white Frank trying to like beat Kobe on the court. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.720 Like you know, it's just that's who I looked up 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.880 to the player. I hear what you're saying. Um, it's 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.719 it's hard for me to to separate the two in 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.960 this moment, obviously because I helped him so so near 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:43.960 and dear, like I have his book, I've read his book, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.559 The MoMA Mentality. Um, I hear what you're saying. But 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.560 but overall, it's still a tough day. Like no matter 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.000 how you want to look at it, like it's it's 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.080 it's a tough it's just all around, no matter how 0:13:56.120 --> 0:14:00.360 you want to look at it, it's just tough situation. Yeah, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.319 I listen, of course, it's a very very sad situation. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.280 How much Kobe means to a lot of people like yourself, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:11.520 And you know, I don't, for whatever reason, I don't 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.079 get attached like that too. Celebrities like I harging back 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.200 how you felt yesterday, Frank to when when Mac Miller 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.760 died and you told you and Florio both like this 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.320 is a really tough day and I didn't get it, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.360 you know, and not honestly right, Like I don't have 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:29.120 that relationship with anybody. You can tell me a God forbid. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.480 Whatever the athlete growing up that I grew up with 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.160 was was Derek jet and Eli Manning, right, and God 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.200 forbid didn't happen to them, Like I don't have that attack. 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:41.000 Oh my god, Derrek Jeter. But that's not me. And 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.680 I think I'm in the minority in that, because there's 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.760 a lot more people that can pinpoint what their favorite 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.760 athlete or superhero or celebrity or whoever they look up 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.600 to outside of their personal family, of course, means to them. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.560 My wife Judy, it's like if said told me somebody 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.640 yesterday that she would lose it, right, because that something 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.080 much they meant to that person had. So I understand 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.720 that side of it, even though even if I personally can't, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:14.280 I can't get there. What Kobe meant for basketball was 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.600 so so grand um he was born and bred to 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.880 do this generational player. He was a generation, and it 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.160 was m J, it was Kobe, and then it was Lebron. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.880 I mean, he was the bridge between the two. He 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.400 was the late nineties, the early two days, kind of 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.080 was the face of basketball during that time. Crazy. We 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.080 never got the Lebron Kobe final, Yeah, and we should 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.400 have got it, and we were robbed of it the 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.840 year that the Orlando Magic made it over the Cleveland Cabs, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.600 and I remember rooting for that at the time, like 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.200 everybody was. Everybody wants Kobe versus Lebron. I mean, it's 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.200 it's the passing of the torch almost right, and no 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.080 one knows how it would have played out. Obviously, Lebron 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:54.960 didn't have the best supporting cast at the time. That's 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.920 why he didn't end up not making the finals, and 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.200 it would have been tremendous to see that. But you're right, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.480 I mean, we never got it. We never we never 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.120 knew we had we got. We had some nice one 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.240 on one matchups between the two. I remember a game, 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:12.360 don't Maybe it was five years ago. It was Kobe 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.640 hits a game winner against Miami six five, maybe even 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.760 longer than that, yet it was when Lebron was on 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.200 the heat. It was like that Big Three. It was 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.680 just a huge game, was nationally televised game and Kobe 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.720 hits the game winner, and it was like it was 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.720 the twilight of Kobe's career, you know, it was you know, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.360 early to mid thirties at that point, and it was 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.760 just it was awesome to see like he still got 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.960 it right against Lebron, who we knew. We saw like 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.280 Lebron his blossoming into the best player in the NBA. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.560 So that was really cool to watch and then tearing 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.320 his achilles and coming back from that at the age 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.680 that he did in his mid thirties. Yeah, there's no 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.840 one else like I mean from a from a basketball perspective, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.440 it's you know, you hear him go down in arguments 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.760 all the time, right m J or Kobe and you know, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.680 I was one of the greatest players of all time. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.800 It's you know, you can't really have that conversation without 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.320 Kobe Bryant being part of it. And look, he was. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.639 He was a different animal, man like, the way that 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.680 he operated on the court. It was just killer instinct. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.560 And Gabe mentioned it to like, people didn't like him. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.600 I get it, man like in his younger age, even 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.920 two I think, really, I don't think he really started 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.040 to figure it out until like after he retired, like 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:21.680 he started to see more of the human side of 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.840 Kobe Bryant. I agree with that. He was like he 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.080 was almost like a savage beasts on the court, and 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.080 like just even the way that he would interact, like 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.359 with his teammates, he didn't have friends. I mean he 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.120 would throw guys under the bus. I mean he's playing, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.280 he's dropping eighty one, He's got some mushed Parker in 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.320 his line up, He's got Chris mim and his starting lineup. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.959 He didn't have anybody at that time. It was Kobe 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.200 and that was it. He was alone, and I think 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.880 that that's how he felt for a majority of his career, 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.720 even playing along someone like Hall of Famer in Shack, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.600 I mean they didn't get along. I mean you you 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.879 know all the words each of them said about each other. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.719 I think that you do someone very special to get 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.800 along with. Kobe Bryant um ruined Dwight Howard's psyche, that's 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.080 for sure. And we know that the down inturn that 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.400 he took people like rought our tests now relationships, it's 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.720 almost the complete opposite of what you see in the 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.800 NBA today where everyone's friends, right Lebron helping guys up, right, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.400 And not to say that that's wrong, it's just different friends. Yeah, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.720 like it's different. But we didn't want like aside from okay, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.639 there was trade rumors. Kobe wanted out. He didn't want 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.280 to play alongside Shack. He wanted to prove that he 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.959 was a guy. It was just a different mentality, right, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.400 Like you throw on the term momba mentality, but that's 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.520 really how he played, right. It was me versus the world. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.040 That was it. He didn't want to play with he 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.119 didn't want friends, he didn't want superstars to join him. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.280 That's not how he wanted to play. It was he 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.040 was just different man. And it's just completely opposite of 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.600 the way the game is played now. You know. It's 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.520 these guys are a lot more friendly, and they work 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.399 out together and they trained together, and it's it's just 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.200 completely different than the way the game was played. And 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.920 here it all the time the nineties where everyone's clothes 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.680 lining each other. And you know, people didn't like Jordan either, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.040 And I think, you know, Kobe really tried to model 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.640 his game a lot after Kobe, I mean after Michael Jordan, 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.679 and there are highlights where you'll see like they literally 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.960 had the same exact moves side by side. So yeah, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:14.000 it's uh, it's tough man, the player, the competitor, the 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:15.639 man that he was, the man that looked like he 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.560 was turning into it's and and we'll never be able 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.240 to see that, you know again, forty one years old 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.359 and lost in all of this is is thirteen year 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.480 old daughter and the fact that her teammate was on 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.080 that and the baseball coach, and there were other people, 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.080 you know, a guy speaking out that lost his wife 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.159 and he has three kids and now they're all alone. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.080 Like it really is tragic, man, extremely extremely tragic. We'll 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:44.080 talk more with the competitor of Kobe Bryant. 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