Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Jean Merriman A one a
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Speaker 1: is Lights Out with Sean Merriman. What's up, guys, We're
Speaker 1: back again on the Lights Out podcast with me Shawn Merriman.
Speaker 1: Got a great guest today, former Dallas Cowboys strong guest
Speaker 1: free safety. I didn't know down that he was moved
Speaker 1: over by Bill Parksels and have to do more things.
Speaker 1: But Roy Williams, man, um, you know, came in a
Speaker 1: two thousand to play safety there the Dallas Cowboys and
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys to watch as I was
Speaker 1: coming in and drafted in two thousand five. We're just
Speaker 1: coming downhill man of bringing the heat. I mean, this
Speaker 1: dude really really brought to wood and uh what I
Speaker 1: call the last one of the last of the dying
Speaker 1: breed where uh you got guys are just coming and
Speaker 1: play the game the way it's supposed to be played.
Speaker 1: And somehow, some way they implemented that damn horse collar
Speaker 1: rule and that was one of the guys. I believe
Speaker 1: that they might have been targeting, at least he feels
Speaker 1: that anyway. But he's doing a bunch of great stuff now.
Speaker 1: Just talking about the Dallas Cowboys now, man, and what
Speaker 1: they're putting on film and the lack of effort, um,
Speaker 1: and how the locker room is different than when he played,
Speaker 1: and how the locker room and and the team is
Speaker 1: playing now, um, and so it's not something that he's
Speaker 1: accustomed to and he's been accustomed to. And he said
Speaker 1: it's a lack of effort. I said the same thing.
Speaker 1: They're just showing a lack of effort right now and
Speaker 1: got to get it together. So again, Roy Williams, man,
Speaker 1: you still look like you can. You can come down
Speaker 1: here a little bit right now. I can come down here.
Speaker 1: That ain't ever going anywhere. Man. You know you got
Speaker 1: that you have to be able to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead, jump in the man, because I
Speaker 1: got some stuff now because I used to uh. I
Speaker 1: used to watch you a lot, man, especially when I
Speaker 1: came into the league, and you always have like these
Speaker 1: you know guys you look at no matter what position
Speaker 1: they are, but when they go off and they start
Speaker 1: cracking skulls, You're like, man, I'm gonna watch that, dude,
Speaker 1: because that's you know that anybody who guys like you
Speaker 1: who made me want to play football. Man was coming downhill. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just played the game the right way, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So well, I look at the
Speaker 1: day's game now, and people ask me all the time
Speaker 1: would I still be able to play? And I said,
Speaker 1: probably not. I don't think so. You think, how do
Speaker 1: you think you can play in the day's game? No
Speaker 1: I can't. I want that would Uh yeah, because these rules,
Speaker 1: you know you you wanted to see them too. Taking
Speaker 1: care of guys, right, you don't want to see anybody
Speaker 1: get hurt or injured. You know the hell meant the
Speaker 1: helmet stuff, great, I got it. You want to protect
Speaker 1: guys as much as possible possible. But hell man, at
Speaker 1: the same time, still it's still football. You know. You
Speaker 1: gotta let guys go out and play. Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's tough. I mean it's I actually
Speaker 1: have some troll on on Twitter talk about um. He
Speaker 1: posted an old oh seven or oh six clip Donald
Speaker 1: Nab and a horse collar them and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're a dirty player. And I decided to land to him,
Speaker 1: you know, how to let him know, like, look, first off, um,
Speaker 1: my first five or six years in the league, the
Speaker 1: horse color wasn't even a thing. And I said, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: how in the one hundred years that the football has
Speaker 1: been around, all of a sudden, the NFL wants to
Speaker 1: deem that a dirty player. And now I'm a dirty player?
Speaker 1: So what about the guys that came before me? Are
Speaker 1: they dirty players? Too? Like? Come on, like, come on, dog,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get rid of me? Do you know? You
Speaker 1: know they always need the excuse, They always need a reason. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know what I gave him? Right?
Speaker 1: But okay, So so this's the thing. I always said this.
Speaker 1: I hate when, like when when a younger player, like
Speaker 1: when I'm playing or something like that, or another guy
Speaker 1: that came in like during our area era and you
Speaker 1: have a guy to play, like in early nineties, and
Speaker 1: they will say all these guys are soft down days
Speaker 1: and this and this. I was like, dude, look the
Speaker 1: games moved on, you know, And I always looked at
Speaker 1: the old guys as haters, right, like, come on, do
Speaker 1: like the game? Okay, yeah, the game changed, but there's
Speaker 1: no need to really come and step down on the
Speaker 1: guys in today's game. But now me being retired, you know,
Speaker 1: for all these years, I'm looking to get the game now,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, that's soft. They can't call that.
Speaker 1: So I now putting myself in the same situation as
Speaker 1: as one of the older guys, I'm like, damn, did
Speaker 1: I did I just get over real quick? Or what happened? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's um watching today's game. I mean, they just
Speaker 1: have to conform to the new rules. I get that.
Speaker 1: But what I was I grew up on was Steve Attwater,
Speaker 1: Ronnie a Lot, you know what I mean, Darren Woodson,
Speaker 1: John Lynch. Those are the guys I got to watch,
Speaker 1: and Ronnie was leading with this form. What was I doing?
Speaker 1: Leading with my form? I mean I was doing everything
Speaker 1: that I watched the guys before me do. And so nowadays,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you think about it, if you
Speaker 1: see a hard hit in the league, now, the first
Speaker 1: thing a defender does he looks up and look to
Speaker 1: the side, you know, to the left or right, wherever
Speaker 1: he is at, or where the reference at to see
Speaker 1: if you got a fifteen ye a plenty. That's not football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's not football. I want I say the same thing,
Speaker 1: and people don't understand that you got a split second, right,
Speaker 1: so you're seeing a guy there. You see nobody catch
Speaker 1: the ball or run or whatever it is, and you
Speaker 1: gotta split second to make a decision. And and what's
Speaker 1: going on in my head is I want this guy
Speaker 1: on the ground by any means necessary. If I got
Speaker 1: to run through you, if I you know, gott to
Speaker 1: hit you with certain parts of my head, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I want this guy and you you want to punish him.
Speaker 1: And I want to make the the distinction between trying
Speaker 1: to hurt somebody and then letting them know that you're there.
Speaker 1: You're not trying to go out and intentionally, you know,
Speaker 1: hurt anybody because they got families and they got a career.
Speaker 1: But if it's fair game, man, I'm ship I'm getting
Speaker 1: you on the ground by any means necessary, period, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's the way. That's the way I played the game.
Speaker 1: It's by any means necessary. I'm mean, I let my
Speaker 1: teammates snow. You can't even get it. I'm sorry, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I had friendly fire a ton of times.
Speaker 1: It wasn't intentionally, but I mean I hit Darren Was
Speaker 1: and I head Terence Snoon when I had Keith Davis,
Speaker 1: Anthony Henry, Aaron Glenn. I mean, I had a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of guys on accident, but they were they were close.
Speaker 1: I got the other guy too, But you were just hey,
Speaker 1: you hit by some friendly fires. I was just I
Speaker 1: was just a boy to say a friendly fire. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But when you crossed, when you go in between those
Speaker 1: white lines, it is on. There ain't no I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no prisoners. I mean you're out for I was.
Speaker 1: I was out. I come to speak for myself. I
Speaker 1: was out for blood. So I came in. I was
Speaker 1: drafted an oh five and she I don't know if
Speaker 1: you knew this or not, but you know I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be drafted by you guys when you were
Speaker 1: when you're playing. So yeah, So what happened was right
Speaker 1: before the draft, and you guys got that. You didn't
Speaker 1: make a wrong pick. You got to Marcus Ware. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get I mean, it wasn't like they made a mistake. Well,
Speaker 1: so when I came there doing the dreft before the half,
Speaker 1: they brought in like their top ten or fifteen guys
Speaker 1: that they were looking at in the first round. So
Speaker 1: they flew us all out to Dallas and I was
Speaker 1: there on my visit and we're all in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You got all the guys. You end up going somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. So I'm down there just everybody else.
Speaker 1: But they're showing us the locker room, showing us the facility.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I saw on there, I
Speaker 1: saw who's the Larry Island. So we came in and
Speaker 1: you guys working out one day, and then we was
Speaker 1: in the gym. I looted you not I saw Larry
Speaker 1: to throw full plates and they I didn't see him
Speaker 1: warm up, and he cranked that thing out for like
Speaker 1: four or five and like at least ten and fifteen times,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't I couldn't believe my eyes. I said,
Speaker 1: Holy ship, this this is what this is what I
Speaker 1: have to face when I get up here. This is wild.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how strong he was. So we go
Speaker 1: through the gym and while watching all the guys workout,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing everybody up close for the first time. So
Speaker 1: we walked through the locker room and next thing I know,
Speaker 1: somebody came and grabbed me from downstairs and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: um Parcels and Jerry Jones, they want to see you upstairs.
Speaker 1: So the first thing, you know, you think that when
Speaker 1: something happens, I said, okay, what did I do wrong? Right?
Speaker 1: The first thing to go through my head, Okay, what
Speaker 1: what did I do wrong? Because everybody else downstairs they
Speaker 1: said they want to see you up in the office.
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, cool. He walked me upstairs and
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and Bill Parcels and sitting in there in
Speaker 1: the office and we get to talk and they said, look,
Speaker 1: we got the leventh pick of the draft. Now we
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna be there at the leven. We
Speaker 1: think you would be somewhere in the top five, top eight.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, cool. When they said if if
Speaker 1: you're there by the eleventh pick, we're gonna draft you.
Speaker 1: And I was sitting there like, oh, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't think that they were gonna tell me the way
Speaker 1: they did. They said, no, no no, if you're there by
Speaker 1: eleven pick, we're gonna draft you. I'll never forget. Bill Parcels.
Speaker 1: The first thing he said to me, he said, Shanan,
Speaker 1: when you get here, I'm gonna work the hell out
Speaker 1: of your ass. And so I'm thinking in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty years old, man, I'm like, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to come here and plank damn Bill ourselves, because you
Speaker 1: know I heard, you know, you heard about him how
Speaker 1: you was and everybody else back in the day and
Speaker 1: he coach Lawrence Tailor and something, a lot of great players,
Speaker 1: and you would just hear how he went at everybody.
Speaker 1: And I got my first dost of Bill Parcels in
Speaker 1: that office. He said, yeah, when we drafted you, as
Speaker 1: soon as you get here, we're gonna work your dog
Speaker 1: pits out of you. And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my, so you played, I mean
Speaker 1: you played for how was he man like? It was?
Speaker 1: I love Coach Parcels, man Um. I didn't like the
Speaker 1: fact of when he came in he literally just came
Speaker 1: up to him as like, you're not gonna be a
Speaker 1: one dimensional of safety. You're gonna have to play cover two,
Speaker 1: which I can do that. I didn't like to do
Speaker 1: that because I like to pop my paths. I like
Speaker 1: to get in there and get messy with the big guys. Um.
Speaker 1: But I I mean I did that, and I mean
Speaker 1: I was one of I would say I was one
Speaker 1: of his guys. I truly was. I was his style
Speaker 1: of play guy that he liked hard knows, Um brought
Speaker 1: the wood, you know, didn't have any quit any of that.
Speaker 1: I was his guy. I was one of his guys.
Speaker 1: I um. And he used to always have these little
Speaker 1: sayings like one he would say, he would say to
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, so he would say, you're like, uh football
Speaker 1: and high weeds, you're lost our thieve would have. He
Speaker 1: would have all these little sayings, man. And he used
Speaker 1: to always tell me it was me only a few people, me,
Speaker 1: Larry Allen and like Darren Woodson, and he's always come
Speaker 1: up to us and just whisper. I got one good
Speaker 1: fight left in me. Don't make me use it on you.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that was coaching back to Larry Allen.
Speaker 1: That was Larry's warm up without it out. I experienced
Speaker 1: the same thing that you experience. He'll throw three or
Speaker 1: four plates on there. Boom boom, bump, bump bump. Done.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And um, but that was
Speaker 1: just Larry. Larry was. He was a different animal. And um.
Speaker 1: It was one time we were practiced. I was blitzing
Speaker 1: him Larry's left. I was coming from the right, he was,
Speaker 1: I was coming on his left. He literally should you not?
Speaker 1: He All he did was he was back in the
Speaker 1: stats and how they was like this, and I swear
Speaker 1: to god, I flew about five yards sideways in the air. Now,
Speaker 1: Larry was so so damn strong, it's crazy. It was.
Speaker 1: It was next level. And that's so I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was either two thousand five or two and six
Speaker 1: or two thousand and seven. I believe you guys had
Speaker 1: at least five or six plus Pro bowlers on that
Speaker 1: on that team was one of one of the years.
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of saying, what's what's going on there now?
Speaker 1: And I understand it the way it looks to me,
Speaker 1: what what the Cowboys is that they're not playing for
Speaker 1: the coach like or the coaching staff or whatever that is.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've been on teams where you know,
Speaker 1: he got Lorenz O'Neill, Ladany and Thomas and Philip rivers Um,
Speaker 1: Nick Harward Christ all these guys that Jamal Williams. If
Speaker 1: you wasn't doing what you're supposed to do, the players
Speaker 1: kind of controlled the locker room. So how how was
Speaker 1: it when you guys were playing if something was going
Speaker 1: on right now with the team, Because that that didn't
Speaker 1: happen when you were there. If something like that was
Speaker 1: going on right now, what would that locker room be
Speaker 1: like the locker room? I mean, you you don't let
Speaker 1: family business outside the locker room. That's football, one on one,
Speaker 1: that's code, you know what I mean. You just don't.
Speaker 1: You don't air out family business regardless of what the
Speaker 1: situation is. That's just the way I was brought up.
Speaker 1: Today's age, and what's going on now with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is I mean, there is I think the coach has
Speaker 1: lost the locker room and they're I mean, they're at
Speaker 1: a disarray. It's like, nope, it's basically players versus coaches
Speaker 1: the way I'm feeling, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: there their players rebelling regardless of the outcome of the
Speaker 1: games and how they how they're looking. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: couldn't step on the field and look like that. I'm
Speaker 1: even if we're getting beat, I'm gonna be rough housing
Speaker 1: all boy to those double zeros in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is, but what they're doing
Speaker 1: right now in the football field is I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a disgrace to them, It's a disgrace to the organization
Speaker 1: and it's a disgrace to um, to the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: I don't know what needs to happen. I don't know
Speaker 1: if the coaches need to be relieved or some of
Speaker 1: the players need to be relieved, but somebody needs to
Speaker 1: drop that hammer and let it be know like this
Speaker 1: is unacceptable. I mean every NFL team in any given Sunday,
Speaker 1: like we all know, can it can win, but they
Speaker 1: can't win the way the Cowboys have been losing, like
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very sad to watch them no effort,
Speaker 1: Like how do you how do you suit up on
Speaker 1: the NFL team and not have zero effort? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, at what point somebody just get
Speaker 1: a fifteen year opporunity just the social aggressive to get
Speaker 1: get get everybody fired up, no doubt, and and and
Speaker 1: I and I said the same thing. And I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember that when we started off one in three
Speaker 1: and on uh in the two thousand and I believe
Speaker 1: it was two thousand and seven, one just one in three,
Speaker 1: I mean, Philip Rivers, we we kicked all the coaches
Speaker 1: out the meeting room and we got after it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got guys mother after each other point, you know,
Speaker 1: we got after each other and not to me, all
Speaker 1: the great teams, and we finished up thirteen I believe
Speaker 1: thirteen and three that year. But to me, that's what
Speaker 1: the great teams do. Like the players always ran the
Speaker 1: locker room. Like we had coaches that everybody didn't agree
Speaker 1: with or didn't like it as much or whatever. But
Speaker 1: as you said, like that film is still on. So
Speaker 1: whatever you put on film, whether you're gonna be playing
Speaker 1: for the team or not, like that next team looking
Speaker 1: at you, dogging it on the play, not running the
Speaker 1: sideline the sideline or quitting or getting blocked and being
Speaker 1: okay with it. And what piss me off the most
Speaker 1: is when Andy Dalton got hit right when that late hit.
Speaker 1: For me, if somebody was to hit Philip Rivers, then
Speaker 1: it would have been a fight. I would have got
Speaker 1: to I would gotta fight that we got ejected. Something's
Speaker 1: gonna happen with that very next play. If he wasn't ejected,
Speaker 1: we were coming after him, period, because we wouldn't. We
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let that slide exactly without a doubt. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised the office alignment and run over there and
Speaker 1: jump on top of dude. Like I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: if that sorry Doak is out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Now he's quarterback one, you have to do everything to
Speaker 1: protect him, you know, regardless of how this season is going,
Speaker 1: how the game is going. That forget quarterback one. That's
Speaker 1: your brother, you know what I mean. That's family. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't care if I didn't get along with somebody,
Speaker 1: but that's my guy, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: ain't anchor. I mean just because I pick on him,
Speaker 1: I don't like him, that doesn't mean you can mess
Speaker 1: with him like and that's not there, Like the the togetherness,
Speaker 1: the familiness, the brotherhood, I mean that to me, it's
Speaker 1: out the window, like I mean, nobody got I mean,
Speaker 1: we find it's like those fighting words like we even
Speaker 1: lights out, let's go, it was on, it was on it.
Speaker 1: But that that to me, that told me a lot
Speaker 1: on where the team was and how they felt about
Speaker 1: each other. Because either we're getting not as kicked out
Speaker 1: there you hit the quarterback late and you that kind
Speaker 1: of hit man where you can change somebody's career type
Speaker 1: of type of deal. That game is not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to zoom like we it's gonna people get injected,
Speaker 1: people getting fined, and we're all gonna be happy about it.
Speaker 1: To let it be known that it's not going down
Speaker 1: like this. But when you when guys out there and
Speaker 1: you're okay, Like I look at the sidelines out there,
Speaker 1: and I see nobody yelling at each other. I see
Speaker 1: nobody getting at each other's faces like nothing. And on
Speaker 1: top of that, as you said before, you got you
Speaker 1: got guys that are airing out. Um you know, family business,
Speaker 1: locker room business, to reporters that we all know that's
Speaker 1: no no. And one thing that I always try to
Speaker 1: tell players that if you're talking to report or somebody
Speaker 1: on the side, you gotta understand they have a more
Speaker 1: of allegiance with the ownership and the front office. So
Speaker 1: you think that that's gonna be a one on one conversation,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go back up and tell who it is
Speaker 1: without a doubt, even when they tell even when they
Speaker 1: tell you they're not, even when they tell you that
Speaker 1: they're not going to go up and the way, oh
Speaker 1: it's between us, it's never between us. They got that
Speaker 1: allegiance to that general manager, to that owner, and they
Speaker 1: will literally do everything they can to find out which player.
Speaker 1: It was then the leak in leak in the business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they should be going up. I mean that's just
Speaker 1: how I fail. I mean, it's just writers writers right
Speaker 1: and wrong is wrong, and that they were all way
Speaker 1: in the wrong. I don't care what happens. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you get cut. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You still don't talk about things that you have. I mean,
Speaker 1: there should be some type of confidentiality within your brotherhood,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, for instance, there was
Speaker 1: a play like in seven are Sex of seven? Thing
Speaker 1: was a seven that I get blamed for, and I
Speaker 1: take the blame and I would never mention the guy's
Speaker 1: name whose fault it really was, Like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: took all the blame. Like, I mean, from that day on,
Speaker 1: I was deemed a person that couldn't cover. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do this and it wasn't even wrong. Man. I was
Speaker 1: in switch coverage and I had to tight end over
Speaker 1: ten yards and they which the team did, I mean
Speaker 1: they literally ran the tight end twelve yards right right
Speaker 1: by me, and so I had to take them, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And so I got blamed for
Speaker 1: um the deep ball. I mean, they came back, and
Speaker 1: it was Washington resting as they came back and beat
Speaker 1: a Santana Moss went over the top and I had
Speaker 1: Chris Cooley and I get blamed for it. And I
Speaker 1: don't even I don't even mention my teammate's name that
Speaker 1: that had him, you know what I mean. It's like, now,
Speaker 1: I take it, I eat it. I mean whatever, as
Speaker 1: long as you guys know that that wasn't my responsibility.
Speaker 1: But I'll take it. And I still don't even talk
Speaker 1: about my teammate that whose man it really was. I
Speaker 1: don't even say his name. It's I mean, that's just cold,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that's what But that's
Speaker 1: what not only good teammates do, but good teams do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like nobody, nobody is gonna
Speaker 1: come out the first thing if we lose something like that,
Speaker 1: the first thing I would come out and say, look,
Speaker 1: I need to get to the quarterback. You know, the
Speaker 1: quarterback had too much time. It's not that all the
Speaker 1: blitcher was this. And you know, I've seen a couple
Speaker 1: of guys came out of the locker room on the
Speaker 1: defense side of the ball for the Cowboys and they
Speaker 1: he basically said the uh that the defense too complex, right,
Speaker 1: that they need to like dumb down the defense, which
Speaker 1: he probably what he probably was right. I mean one
Speaker 1: he probably was writing what he said, that they need
Speaker 1: to let guys go out and play football. And I
Speaker 1: had um, I had Wayne phillips On just a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and wait, you know, ways, my guy, man,
Speaker 1: I love Way before. I still say, look, way put
Speaker 1: me in so many great positions to go out and
Speaker 1: make plays. But I knew the first time that the
Speaker 1: quarterback had too much time or somebody had too many
Speaker 1: passing yards on us. I was like, look man, we
Speaker 1: gotta get to the We gotta get to the quarterback
Speaker 1: or I gotta get to the quarterback. And that's what
Speaker 1: good teams do, not throwing guys under the bus. Man.
Speaker 1: This is I don't think I've ever seen, especially from
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys, man, And just the defenses you guys had,
Speaker 1: and I still talk to the markets we're here and
Speaker 1: there too. And the type of teams you guys had
Speaker 1: from like oh two onto I think it was like
Speaker 1: two thousand eight or nine or something like that, where
Speaker 1: you got just stacked, had a touch, had a ton
Speaker 1: of talent. And I've never seen anybody on that on
Speaker 1: that team that you guys had put what's being what's
Speaker 1: being put on film right now, what's going on right
Speaker 1: now is just atrocious. It is. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: difficult to watch. I mean, it's at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, even if the defense is complex, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the rules of the defense is
Speaker 1: tackled the ball carrier and there is no excuse for
Speaker 1: effort when it comes to being a complex defense or not.
Speaker 1: You gotta do, you know what, go to the balls
Speaker 1: to talk of the ball caring, regardless of the yardists
Speaker 1: that they get, are a negative play that you you make.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter at the end of this excess
Speaker 1: and nose tap of the ball care instead of you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that it's coaching making a too complex.
Speaker 1: How about you reaching between your legs see if you
Speaker 1: feel anything, and if you do, you need to man up.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the way, that's just the way
Speaker 1: I was brought up. I had Mike Zimmer, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I had I had, I had um.
Speaker 1: I had broken pieces of a nose from a punter's
Speaker 1: nose in my knee and it was hurting like crazy.
Speaker 1: And you know what Mike Zimmer said, He said, you're
Speaker 1: all right. He was like, you're fucking right, You all right,
Speaker 1: get your ass back in the game. Broken knee, brad,
Speaker 1: broken pieces of card lage from a punter's knee in
Speaker 1: my knee, and even still put me back out on
Speaker 1: the field. I mean, that's just where it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: I did. I mean to tell my coach, no, shoot
Speaker 1: man up, you got to. But but see that's why,
Speaker 1: and that's the way I knew about it. You put
Speaker 1: fingers back in place, you dislocate your shoulder, you go
Speaker 1: on the sylin, buy the towel, put that thing back
Speaker 1: in place, you run back on the field. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the mentality we had. And I'm trying to stay
Speaker 1: away from being the old guy now. Like you guys
Speaker 1: aw that. You don't want to do that. But it's like, man,
Speaker 1: you got these guys with big contracts, you know, and
Speaker 1: I love to see guys get paid with the Marcus
Speaker 1: Long has got that contract. I was, I was, I
Speaker 1: don't even know him that well or whatever. Being a
Speaker 1: former defensive player. You see somebody scored that big, You're
Speaker 1: like Yo, that's that's that's outstanding. You love to see
Speaker 1: guys get paid. But then you see I'm going out
Speaker 1: there and and go several weeks without getting sacked. You're like, yo, listen,
Speaker 1: You're go earn that money, dog, you know, because you
Speaker 1: you know you're messing enough for other people. You know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna stop paying guys if you disappear. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna call that back if you don't, if you don't produce.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all four guys getting paid. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful thing. Um, it's a long
Speaker 1: time coming. Um, but your play, honestly, your pay has
Speaker 1: your play has to back it up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And your effort has to back it up.
Speaker 1: And your leadership has to back it up. And those
Speaker 1: three things have not been displayed through the organization thus
Speaker 1: far every game that they played. I mean, that hasn't.
Speaker 1: They have no leadership, They have no heart, they have
Speaker 1: no desire, they have they have nothing. Right now, they're
Speaker 1: just guys out there on the football field running around
Speaker 1: with their heads carf. That's just how do they fix
Speaker 1: up what? You're like? What do they you get rid of? Coaches?
Speaker 1: At that point you start getting rid of guys like
Speaker 1: what would need to happen? I honestly don't know how
Speaker 1: you fix the number one problem starting off with and
Speaker 1: that's hard. How do you how do you fix how
Speaker 1: do you fix hard? How do you fix effort? Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I said the code it's way
Speaker 1: past the coaches. I mean, it's the locker room was
Speaker 1: lost because at the end of day, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: And they may have these conversations, but even if they
Speaker 1: have these conversations, their play in the film that they
Speaker 1: um they leave for the next opponent. They see no effort,
Speaker 1: they see no heart there. I mean, it's like, you
Speaker 1: know when you see an offensive linement that gives you
Speaker 1: some tips that you know you can you know, um
Speaker 1: take advantage of you looking at your chops. Every team
Speaker 1: right now on offense are licking their chops to play
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because they know that's an easy buck fifty Russian,
Speaker 1: that's a that's that's three bills passing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. They are looking their chops. It's like at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have two men up
Speaker 1: and play. I'm not I'm not being old school or anything.
Speaker 1: It's It's about pride at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: It's like the start that's on the side of your helmet,
Speaker 1: whatever team it is, are the name played on the
Speaker 1: back of your on your jersey, that should mean something
Speaker 1: like my when I played, my biggest thing was do
Speaker 1: not get embarrassed in national televised ev because I know
Speaker 1: my boy's gonna climb me and I do not want
Speaker 1: to let my family down. That was it. And I
Speaker 1: wanted to knock somebody out and laugh with Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: about it. That was my rules myself. Was simple. It
Speaker 1: was so simple. And they don't. They don't have that fire,
Speaker 1: like I don't understand why they don't have that fire, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: I played nine years. That nine years went by so fast, Like,
Speaker 1: do not take these years for granted, because you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to give them back. So you have
Speaker 1: to make the most of every opportunity, and every with
Speaker 1: every game that they played, they're letting opportunities slip away.
Speaker 1: It is hard to get to the playoffs. It is
Speaker 1: not an easy thing. And their play I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just like they do not care. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you fix that. I truly don't. And the it's not
Speaker 1: gonna help from a coach's perspective, because the coaches haven't
Speaker 1: done anything, um thus far. That proves to me that
Speaker 1: they're even uh, the relationships even salageable, you know. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's crazy. Yeah, no, it is crazy.
Speaker 1: So what else you got going on? Man? Because I
Speaker 1: know you got to you got the security company, right, Um,
Speaker 1: so you tell tell me a little bit about it.
Speaker 1: So um back so everyone. So, when I was playing
Speaker 1: in Dallas, I always wonder why guys moved back to
Speaker 1: their college towns. And there was an opportunity for me
Speaker 1: to go to Columbus, Ohio. And I've seen Eddie George
Speaker 1: at restaurants here, at real estate, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, when I'm done playing, I'm gonna move
Speaker 1: back to Oklahoma. I don't know what's gonna happen, but
Speaker 1: something's gonna happen, you know. And So after I played
Speaker 1: my Tears in Cincinnati, I moved back to Dallas, and
Speaker 1: I just I just felt like it was a dark
Speaker 1: cloud over Dallas, just the way how that whole thing ended.
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta go. So I left, packed
Speaker 1: my staff, moved down to Oklahoma, and um, I was
Speaker 1: doing some silar reporting at U wasn't really for me
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to have to go back over
Speaker 1: from study, learned people's names, and I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to do it. I just couldn't do it. Um and
Speaker 1: then um um. I was talking to my cousin one
Speaker 1: day and I told him, but I think I want
Speaker 1: to get some investment properties. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: he needs to me one of my clients. And so
Speaker 1: I met Bill at one of his properties and we
Speaker 1: were talking, and um, one thing led to another. He
Speaker 1: asked me what I wanted to do, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I want to get some investment properties. Are
Speaker 1: I want to be in business. I want to be
Speaker 1: my own boss and asking what you know he was
Speaker 1: doing and he's like, well, I own a security company before.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about getting back into the security business. And
Speaker 1: literally God put it in my heart to say to speak,
Speaker 1: and I spoke and I said, um, what do you
Speaker 1: want another partner? And he was telling me about, you know,
Speaker 1: his following out with his partner, and I told him
Speaker 1: a little bit about my back story as far as
Speaker 1: having some fallouts with some dudes back in Dallas. We
Speaker 1: met about six or seven different times and we started
Speaker 1: our company. And we founded our company two thousand and twelve.
Speaker 1: Around that time, we probably had about twenty employees. We
Speaker 1: were operating about three states, and now today we're in
Speaker 1: twenty five states and have over two thousand employees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's big man. So so how can people look it up? Well,
Speaker 1: how do you guys getting you know, the bulky of
Speaker 1: business like referrals or what's what's going on? It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty much word of mouth because it's actual physical guards.
Speaker 1: Like so at a office building, are the stadium, are
Speaker 1: anywhere you see security guards. UM, that's pretty much the iner.
Speaker 1: And we don't. We stay away from like seven elevens
Speaker 1: and high risk areas where liabilities high, so like nightclubs,
Speaker 1: seven elevens, just liquor stores, anything that UM has high
Speaker 1: risk and liability, we try to stay away from that. So,
Speaker 1: UM we we do a lot UM across the different
Speaker 1: state somewhere. We actually have government contracts as well. UM
Speaker 1: so we worked for the government. UM also UM but
Speaker 1: UM Global Security Corporation dot com is the website, UM so,
Speaker 1: I mean that's how you can easily end I'm on
Speaker 1: LinkedIn and all the other social media stuff. So um,
Speaker 1: I'm easily accessible for sure. That's dope, man. I always
Speaker 1: try to tell guys um, because it's not easy. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you had it, but my first two years,
Speaker 1: even I went straight into the broadcasting thing, I was
Speaker 1: still sent back like it didn't feel right, you know
Speaker 1: what I like. I don't know whether like mentally I
Speaker 1: couldn't move past the game right away, or like I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. Maybe I felt like, you
Speaker 1: see guys out there, you're sitting on the couch, like
Speaker 1: I can go do that right now, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you're watching guys you know you can still play. But
Speaker 1: I wasn't really comfortable, man, until about two years of
Speaker 1: being done. You know, even when I was behind the
Speaker 1: booth and some days I didn't want to watch football,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want to turn the TV on, I
Speaker 1: still had to talk about it. So I watched just
Speaker 1: enough and knew, as you said before, the guy's name
Speaker 1: so you know, so got me to play. I'd go
Speaker 1: and talk about it the next day. But I just
Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable because those first two years, that transition.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was for you, man, but
Speaker 1: for me it was it was a little bit difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well for me, it was honestly, the way I played
Speaker 1: was I mean, I really didn't watch much football because
Speaker 1: I just love to play the game. And I didn't
Speaker 1: really watch much film. I mean not film, but like
Speaker 1: actual games. I'm studying my film. But as far as
Speaker 1: watching games, that just that wasn't me. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to play football and that fun. That that was literally it.
Speaker 1: And round of six or seven when they implemented the
Speaker 1: horse collar tackle, I mean that honestly sucked the life
Speaker 1: out of me for football. Um. I felt that, Um,
Speaker 1: they were literally targeting me, and I just felt I
Speaker 1: just didn't it wasn't fun for me anymore. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like having a pit bull and you have that
Speaker 1: we were a dog signed on the door and a
Speaker 1: burglar tries to come in and the dog attacks him,
Speaker 1: doesn't doing his job, and then you recommend the dog.
Speaker 1: I mean that's how I felt. It's like, Dude, I
Speaker 1: came into this league. I was here to knock people
Speaker 1: out and then all of a sudden, now you guys
Speaker 1: want to penalize me for what you guys brought me
Speaker 1: here to do. Like I mean, it just it just
Speaker 1: wasn't fun anymore. So, you know, my my last two
Speaker 1: years and Cincinnati, I mean it was it was blessed
Speaker 1: to get two more years, but this wasn't fun for
Speaker 1: me anymore. So when I retired, I was done, Like
Speaker 1: I was done done. I didn't watch. I mean I
Speaker 1: had literally probably last year was the first year I
Speaker 1: really started just watching and just seeing schemes and see
Speaker 1: how they're you know, attacking people. But um, but now
Speaker 1: I was done, like I was so done. I mean
Speaker 1: it's football is and this honestly, to this day football
Speaker 1: is really not even enjoyable to me to watch because
Speaker 1: it's not my solid football. I mean it's it's it's
Speaker 1: more of a fluff fluff NFL than what I was
Speaker 1: brought up on. What do I tell you, man, the
Speaker 1: game The game missed guys like you and me coming
Speaker 1: up and being drafted No. Five. Um, and I think
Speaker 1: you came into oh one, oh two, right one or
Speaker 1: two years oh too? Yeah, and uh, just seeing you
Speaker 1: and just one of the guys I enjoyed watching, man,
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you for coming on. And I gotta
Speaker 1: get out there, man, one of these days. I've been
Speaker 1: out there a couple of days and a couple of
Speaker 1: friends of mine have there in the casino business. They
Speaker 1: got that big casino out there, so I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta make my way out there sometime soon. Come on.
Speaker 1: Most definitely, I appreciate the love and respect my brother, uh,
Speaker 1: mutual respect for you as well. I mean, I, um,
Speaker 1: but you are dude, you are more than welcome to
Speaker 1: come out here to Oklahoma. Um. I got a lot
Speaker 1: of land out this way, and I mean we will
Speaker 1: do a lot of honey. Okay, let's do it. We'll go.
Speaker 1: We'll go hard hunting with the dogs and nothing but nins,
Speaker 1: no guns. I'm with it. I'm with it. I'm with it,
Speaker 1: all right, my man. They appreciate you again, dude, thank you. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got it. Thanks guys for listening. Then another podcast
Speaker 1: on the Lights Out podcast with me Sean Merriman. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that was great man to have Roy Williams on.
Speaker 1: He literally was one of the last of the dying
Speaker 1: breed of guys who came in before they started to
Speaker 1: implement a lot of the new rules in the NFL.
Speaker 1: As I always say, I don't want to be one
Speaker 1: of the old guys and say, oh, you know, the
Speaker 1: game is soft. Now the game is different. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily call it soft for the game that's different. Guys
Speaker 1: like him, guys like me, could not play in today's game,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. He has a ton
Speaker 1: of great stuff going on. Has his security company Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He's also offered me to come out there. I've never
Speaker 1: been hunting before, so uh, maybe my first hunting trip
Speaker 1: will be with Roy Williams, one of my favorite players
Speaker 1: to watch. Again, Thank you guys for listening. I appreciate
Speaker 1: all the reviews. Keep checking us out and uh leaving
Speaker 1: us leaving us comments and reviews. Man, we're getting some
Speaker 1: great feedback in We're gonna turn this thing up again
Speaker 1: next week. Thanks again, m HM