1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Giddio and Giddia. Listener, there is a little warning because 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: there are mentions of rape and sexual abuse in this episode. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Take care. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: We just arrived in the Socalo. 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 3: It's really crowded, a lot of people walking around. 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: It's March of twenty twenty four, and I'm with my 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: colleague and co executive producer of Latino USA. Her name 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: is Penny Lei Ramidez, and right now we're at one 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: of my favorite places in the city where I was born. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: It's called El Soclo, which is the main public square 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: in Mexico. It's literally Elcason, the heart of the city. 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: El Soclon is where everything happens in Mexico City. So 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: maybe one day there's a concert by Paul McCartney or Prosalya, 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: and maybe another day, like today, you're going to see 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: dozens of police officers barricading the main buildings surrounding this plaza. 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: Today is two days before the International Women's Day March, 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: and so right before us is this large group of 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: police officers. Can I ask you a question, g Lacino, 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: what are you doing? A young police officer that I 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: walk up to is actually laying steel fences all around 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: the Soclo. He tells us that these barricades are meant 22 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: to protect the surrounding buildings. All of this in anticipation 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: of the upcoming International Women's Day march. They've got massive flyers. Okay, 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: here they're gonna put another part of the wall together. 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: Here we go. 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Now, you may be asking yourself, why are Mexican police 27 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: putting up steel barricades throughout all of downtown Mexico City 28 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: for women who are celebrating International Women's Day. And what 29 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: you will hear is that the police will say that 30 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: during this protests, some women, some radical protesters, do get 31 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: a little violet. They have been accused, for example, of 32 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,559 Speaker 1: destroying storefronts or of writing the names of their abusers 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: or rapists on the monuments as they march along the streets. 34 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: But for some women, they actually believe that the government 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: puts more money and effort into protecting buildings and storefronts 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: than into protecting women and their safety and well being. Now, 37 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: while Mexican women are getting ready to take part in 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: what will be a massive march as usual, there's something 39 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: else that's happening in the country that is completely new. 40 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: That is Mexico's presidential campaign and two women are the 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: front runners. On June second, Mexico will elect a female 42 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: president for the first time in history. 43 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 4: Mexico is having a historical process right now. I think 44 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: Mexico it's like Fara de Luz, It's a lighthouse. 45 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: We meet up with Susanna Ochoa. She's a young political activist. 46 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: She's flat about having a woman in the highest position 47 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: as the president of Mexico, but she also believes there's 48 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: got to be a lot of grassroots activism still, but 49 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: not everyone feels the same way. While we were in 50 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: the socalo, my colleague and I remember Penny Lee Amidez. 51 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: So Penni le walks up to a man who's in 52 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: a wheelchair and she asks him how he feels about 53 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: the upcoming election. 54 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 5: Are you going to vote bothar porquino porquio quando mexicosta 55 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 5: de la rigada la lagada. 56 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: So this man in the socalo says that the Mexican 57 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: economy is in a bad shape and that he's not 58 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: planning to vote. But if you see the data, actually 59 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: the Mexican economy is doing general well, so it seems 60 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: like his problem is not with the economy, Maria, but 61 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: with the candidates themselves. 62 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: What do you think about a woman running your country, 63 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: bedwindsor Bess. 64 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: He told us that he is not okay with a 65 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: woman running for president, and he wanted to say that it. 66 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: Is a shame, a shame, a shame. 67 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: And this is a paradox, Maria, because the reality is 68 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: that Mexico will elect a female president before the United States. 69 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 3: And it is true, it's not just a presidency. Right now, 70 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: we have a woman leading the Supreme Court, we have 71 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 3: a woman leading the National Institute of Elections, and half 72 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: of the Congress is female. 73 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: You know, that's right. Mexico has women in positions of power. 74 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: But at the same time, the truth is that there 75 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: is lingering sexism. There is this macho culture that is 76 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: for president, and frankly, violence against women is out of control. 77 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: Ten women are killed every day in Mexico, making it 78 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: the fourth most dangerous country worldwide in which to be 79 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: a woman, just after South Africa, Brazil and Russia. So 80 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: to understand this paradox of how a country with such 81 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: a violent history against women is now going to elect 82 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: a woman president this hour, we're going to be reporting 83 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: from my home country and understanding everything leading up to 84 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: this historic election in Mexico from PRX and Fuduro Media. 85 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: It's Latino USA. I'm Marie no Posa and today we're 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: covering the presidential elections in Mexico. I traveled to Mexico 87 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: with my colleague Beni Lei Ramirez to unpack this true 88 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: historic moment. And before joining let you know usay, Benny 89 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: Lay worked as an investigative correspondent in Mexico, and well 90 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: she's been writing extensively on Mexican politics for more than 91 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: a decade. 92 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: Yes, Maria, and I'm happy to go with you and 93 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: to report what's going on in Mexican politics right now. 94 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 3: So in this episode, you will hear us documenting the 95 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: hope for me, it's hopeful. 96 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 4: That a lot of young women and women that are 97 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: really capable are taking apart in. 98 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: Politics, the anger, and you will be hearing from the 99 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: two female candidates themselves. 100 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: The front runner is Claudia Schenebaum. Her main opponent is 101 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: Sochil Galbez. And while we're talking Mexican politics, we're actually 102 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: going to start our reporting in New York City and 103 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to hand it over to my colleague Benny Lay, 104 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: who's going to report from their first. 105 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: It's February twenty twenty four and I'm in downtown Manhattan 106 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: entering a restaurant. It's a called Sunny Saturday, and we're 107 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: here because Socil Galvez has been having an event with 108 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: Mexicans live in New York. I'm surrounded by mostly upper 109 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: class Mexicans, like business people, like lawyers and even architects, 110 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: and they are gathering here today to meet in person 111 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: with Socil Galvez and she's the Mexican leading opposition candidate. 112 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: Many of the people here believe that social is the 113 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: hope that their country needs after six years of the 114 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: presidency of Andres Manuel Lopez Oredo and his party Morena. 115 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 6: Honestly, Morena, or the ruling party right now, is not 116 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 6: showing what real Mexic in the future can be. 117 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: I was invited to meet Sochi, who I'm a great 118 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: fan of. 119 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: I'm not happy with the current Mexican government, and that's 120 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: why I'm here. 121 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to thank her for being an inspiration. 122 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, Lopez Vrado became the first Mexican president 123 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: in this century who won the election representing a coalition 124 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: that was mainly leftist. Paris and now a woman with 125 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: indigenous fruits, who almost all the time is wearing a wepeel, 126 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: which is a traditional Mexican dress, is trying to challenge 127 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: him and his body. And this is the opposition candidate 128 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: Social ads. 129 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 5: Into Lazia. 130 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: So Pennile, Again, you're an expert on Mexican politics, so 131 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: phyllis in on what you can about sochilgai this. 132 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: Well, she's a computer engineer and also a businesswoman. And 133 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: she says Maria that when she was studying to pay 134 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: for her education, she was selling yello. 135 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: You mean cello, like the dessert jello. Yeah. 136 00:08:59,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: Yes. 137 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: But now she's been in politics for the last two decades, 138 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: and she was a mayor of one of the boroughs 139 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: of Mexico City, and she also was a senator. And 140 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: the thing is that she has this kind of unique 141 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: way of Approachian politics. 142 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's unique, it's particular, it's attention grabbing. So, 143 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: for example, in June of twenty twenty three, when Sochil 144 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Galvez was a senator, she dressed up as a dinosaur 145 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: to criticize electoral reforms proposed by Lopez o Brador Lace Nadora. 146 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: Sochil Galvez now we say dinosaur because in Mexico, when 147 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: we refer to politicians who have been around a long time, 148 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: we call them dinos saudios. And so yeah, she kind 149 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: of stood out on the Senate floor holding a sign 150 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: that read Jurassic Plan all of this while wearing a 151 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: dinosaur costume. 152 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 3: And of course something like this will grab the attention 153 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: of the media. 154 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: So it worked for her. 155 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: But what even worked better is when she publicly took 156 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: on President Lopes. 157 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that because Sochil Galvez arrives at 158 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the National Palace of Mexico. She's banging on the door 159 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: after riding up on her bicycle. What Sochi says is 160 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: that she wanted to set the record straight about an 161 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: accusation that the president had made about her, and that 162 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: she expected the president to open the door for her, 163 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: but he refused, and this brought her well a lot 164 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: of kind of performative attention. 165 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it became a viral hit and from 166 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: that moment the popularity of social among the opposition in 167 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: Mexico grew like crazy. 168 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 7: A politician who seemed to come from nowhere to secure 169 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 7: the kindi deacy of a coalition of parties for the 170 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 7: country's presidential elections. She Sochito Gallez, the plane speaking part 171 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 7: Indigenous senator who started off as a street vendor and 172 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 7: now runs two tech companies. 173 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: And just a few months after being chosen as the 174 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: opposition candidate, Souchil Galvez is on a plane heading to 175 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: New York City and her first stop is in the 176 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: Bronx at the Hunts Point Vegetable Market. And it was 177 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: at the market where she met up with some Mexican 178 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: voters who live in New York. 179 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: And then she took a bike and she went to 180 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: the New York Times to meet with reporters. 181 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: So Sochil Galvez seems to really like riding her bike 182 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: too important places. 183 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: It definitely gets hurt some attention. 184 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: So after the New York Times, she toured New York 185 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 3: for six days, and then she went off to Washington, 186 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: d C. And she met with congressional committees and more 187 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: members of the media. And all of this is an 188 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: effort to court Mexican voters that are living in the 189 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: United States and this voters matter Mania. Right now, we 190 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 3: have over one hundred and fifty thousand Mexican voters registered 191 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 3: to vote from the United States, and this number. It 192 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: is important because just in two thousand and six, Felipe 193 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: Galleron won the presidency of Mexico with a super tight 194 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 3: margin of two hundred and forty three thousand votes. 195 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: You know what, Pennilay, that was a nail binding election 196 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. And it's because of that 197 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: election that presidential candidates in Mexico understand full well that 198 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: every single vote counts, even if it's from people living 199 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: outside of Mexico. Now, the thing about Sochil Galvez Pennilay, 200 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: is that she's got this pretty interesting, maybe strange coalition 201 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: that is backing her. It's certainly the thing that made 202 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: my eyes pop when I first heard about her candidacy. 203 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 3: It is a coalige and that I will never thought 204 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: I will see in my life. 205 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: And since Penny, you've been covering Mexico for half of 206 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: your career as a journalist, why don't you give us 207 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: a quick rundown of Mexican politics as fast as you 208 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: can for our listeners. 209 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, So this is a story. Most of 210 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: the twentieth century, Mexico was ruled by a party called 211 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:28,359 Speaker 3: Partido Revolutionari Institutional or the PRE and for seven decades 212 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: they run the country on a nationalist platform. Then in 213 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: the year two thousand, the right wing party Partido National 214 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: ORPAN won the presidency, and this is the moment that 215 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: Mexicans called the transition to democracy. 216 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: La cons politica de lososunidos Mexicanos. 217 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: But the corruption was rampant, both in the PRE and 218 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: in the PAN. 219 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: So in twenty fourteen another party was founded, and it's 220 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: called Movimiento re National or MORENA. And who do you 221 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: think founded this third party, Maria. 222 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a big guess and say it 223 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: is the current president. His name is Andres Manuel Lopez. 224 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 6: Obradoral I patriot Camentel Cargo, the Presidente Republica cal. 225 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: Pueblo mea con ferido. 226 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: And his platform has been really anti PRE and anti PAN. 227 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: But now time has passed and Morena has been also 228 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: dealing with its own corruption scandals. It's also true that 229 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: despite all of this, in just a decade, Morena rose 230 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: from being a street focused social movement to becoming this 231 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: huge ruling party that has been winning the presidency, winning 232 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: most of the governorships, and also representing more more than 233 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: half the Congress. 234 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: That's true any lay it really was quite a rise 235 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: for Morena to come from the streets all the way 236 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,239 Speaker 1: to the presidential palace. So we have these two candidates, 237 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: the two women, but there's also a third candidate. He's 238 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: a man. His name is Jorge Alberts Minus, and he 239 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: really wasn't getting much attention at all until he released 240 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: a song that went virals. 241 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a song called Presidente Minus, and now 242 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: he has millions of views on YouTube and on TikTok. 243 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: But let's get back to Sochi Galvez, who is the 244 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: main opponent here, and let's talk a little bit more 245 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: about that strange coalition of the pretty and the fun. 246 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: Dear listener, you may be saying, what does that really mean? 247 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: It would essentially mean as if the Democrats and the 248 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: Republican parties would run on a joint ticket. That's how 249 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: strange this coalition is. 250 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: So we decided to go straight to the source and 251 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: ask social directly. 252 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: And that's coming up after the break. Stay with us, 253 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: don't go by us. Hey, welcome back. It's let you know, USA. 254 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm Maria no Josa and I'm with my colleague Benny Leiramidez. 255 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: Today we're covering the Mexican presidential elections, which are historic 256 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: because in twenty twenty four, Mexico, a country of more 257 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: than one hundred and twenty million people and one of 258 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: the top commercial partners for the United States, will be 259 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: electing its first ever woman president, Danny lay. 260 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: Yes Maria So so far, we met up with supporters 261 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: for the opposition candidate Sochi Galvez in a restaurant in Manhattan, 262 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: and now we'll be talking to the candidate herself. 263 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: In fact, we got a chance to do a full 264 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: sit down interview with her in a midtown Manhattan studio 265 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: late one evening in March. She came in surrounded by 266 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: her campaign staff, which to me was a little surprising 267 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: because it was all men except for one woman who 268 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: was carrying her clothes. Now, Sochi was very approachable when 269 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: we all first arrived, so right off the bat we 270 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: asked her what she would do differently as the leader 271 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: of this interesting coalition. So so chill, to be honest 272 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: with you, I said, wait a second, so ChIL is running, 273 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: but the pree is supporting her, the band is supporting her, 274 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: And I had a little bit of a of a 275 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: brain explosion. I was like, what have I seen? You're 276 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: no respons So she told us that she is not 277 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: the one who is responsible for the corruption that is 278 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: brought on by these parties in the past. Then she 279 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: doubled down and she said that if there was corruption 280 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: in this coalition, that she would punish this person, even 281 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: if it's within her own group. Then I asked, sochil 282 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: Galbez about what this particular historic election means. Did you 283 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: imagine that a Mexico could exist where a woman could 284 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: be running for president in your lifetime? No, mi ma, 285 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: She says she never imagined that women could be in 286 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: such positions of power in Mexico, as they were always 287 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: subjugated to the domestic sphere, making tortillas, bringing in the firewood. 288 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: So I asked her how she defined herself, and she 289 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: says that she considers herself a woman of the center left. 290 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: And how do you define feminism? 291 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 8: So you sentiva in totlus temas enuestra be the personal, and. 292 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: She said that she believes in equality for all women 293 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: in terms of political, economic, and reproductive rights. And to 294 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: emphasize why this matters to her, she told us she 295 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: suffered violence as a child. 296 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 8: Ire brutalmentrio lento. 297 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: This story has become a part of Sochil Galvez's some speech. 298 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: Her father, she says, was a violent man who terrorized 299 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: her as a child. One time, she tells us in 300 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: the interview, he pointed a shotgun at her mother and 301 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: threatened her. She says that they escaped, but that this 302 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: experience marked her. And then I asked her what she 303 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: thinks the solution might be for this kind of gender 304 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: based violence in Mexico. Ins what so she said to 305 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: us was that women in Mexico need a support system 306 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: in cases of violence, and that men need to know 307 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: that if they commit violence against women, they will be prosecuted. 308 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: Then we moved on to another topic which actually matters 309 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: to Mexican voters in the US. Here's my colleague, Pennilet, So. 310 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 8: What are your thoughts regarding immigration Mexico, Comette reverro Guando Ceta. 311 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: She said, Mexico made a big mistake when it agreed 312 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: to the Remaining Mexico Program. 313 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: Now, remember, Remain in Mexico was a policy implemented by 314 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It required migrants seeking asylum to remain in 315 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: Mexico as they awaited their court dates in the United States, 316 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: which had never happened before. 317 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: So Basically, what she is proposing is that Mexico continues 318 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: with the program as long as the United States gives money. 319 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: So that Mexico, and I'm going to emphasize this because 320 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: it's a direct. 321 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: Port from her treats immigrants with the dignity that they do. 322 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: Now, that's an interesting choice of words. So then I 323 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: asked her what she would plan to do instead, So, 324 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: what is your fresh new approach towards the issue of immigration, 325 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: Pomena Mundi. Now, she did not really answer the question, 326 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: but she did say to us that we needed to 327 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: understand that immigration is a worldwide problem and therefore the solution, 328 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: she said, was to sit and talk. 329 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 8: Since Semossa Marino is the place. 330 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: She replied that if we don't sit and have a dialogue, 331 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: young people will keep dying on both sides of the border. 332 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: For over an hour, we spoke about Mexican politics, and 333 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: we questioned her plans for the government if she was 334 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: to come to power. 335 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: Then, in the middle of it all, kind of out 336 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: of nowhere, the so ChIL Galvez threw some serious shade 337 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: at her opponent, Claudia shame bomb yok Okay Clauda. She 338 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: so ChIL Galvez told us that her rival would never 339 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: give us a chance to do an interview like the 340 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: one she did with us. Well, obviously we wanted to 341 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: get that interview with Claudia shame bomb, and we wanted 342 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: to talk with other Mexican voters on the ground witnessing 343 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: this historic ellection. 344 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: So we got on a plane and we traveled to 345 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 3: Mexico City. 346 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: So we are beginning our first day of reporting on 347 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: the ground in Mexico City. I barabarrier. We're stuck in traffic. 348 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: This wall is pretty intense. I'm like pretty hot, it's 349 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: very hot. 350 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: Actually, we were on our way to a market in Istapalapa, 351 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: and this is one of the poor and biggest towns 352 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: of Mexico City. The population here is over one point 353 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: eight million. 354 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: We had heard that Sochi Galvez was having an event here. 355 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: We are now coming upon the part of the market 356 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: and there are people gathered. They are all Soachi supporters. 357 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: I see a man carrying a flag of the bun 358 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: the Bartido, a national. 359 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 2: We approach a fifty year old woman. She is a 360 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 2: street vendor. 361 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: She is selling to status and she says that she's 362 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 3: a strong Galvez supporter. 363 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: So what in particular, do you like about Sochisona. 364 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 3: She says that she likes Galvez because she is humble. 365 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: And then as we're walking away, another woman in the 366 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: market started literally yelling a political slogan at us, all 367 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: of this in support of Claudia. Shamebam again. She's the 368 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: candidate coming from the ruling party of Morina. So no 369 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: no starko claudialloies so no. 370 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: No estarco Claudiao. 371 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, we approached her to find out more, because who 372 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: yells at reporters just like that? Why did you start 373 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: screaming for Claudia? Just as we walked by Mostrado, she 374 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: tells us that she believes that Claudia is the one 375 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: who has shown true solidarity with the people. Now you 376 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: might be wondering, dear listener, who exactly is Claudia Shanbaum. 377 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: She represents the party in power, but she is a 378 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: candidate all on her own. So Penny tell us a 379 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: little bit more about Claudia Shanbaum. 380 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: So Shanbaum was born to a secular Jewish family in 381 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 3: Mexico City. 382 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: She is a scientist. 383 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: Actually it's interesting because she's a scientist, but she was 384 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: a political activist and this started decades ago when she 385 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: was a university student. 386 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: I'm from as beginnings. 387 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: She went on and she became the Secretary of the 388 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: Environment of Mexico City, and all this happened in the 389 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 3: early two thousands when Lopez o Rador was the city 390 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: major and since then their political careers have been united. 391 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Then in twenty eighteen, Claudia becomes the mayor of Mexico City, 392 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: which is huge, it's one of the largest cities in 393 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: the world. And at the same time Andres Manuel Lopez 394 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: o Rador becomes the president. So yes, their political careers 395 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: are connected. They have a close relationship. 396 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 9: Yer Mumino well, she the center Andre Man's douin Mosam. 397 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: The opposition likes to say that Claudia Schambaum got this 398 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: coveted position because of her loyalty to Lopez Obrador, and 399 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: she says that claim is misogynistic. 400 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 5: Or do you want to start and applica. 401 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: What is true is that to this day Lopez of 402 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 3: Rador still has a high approval rating and now his 403 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: followers are supporting Claudia as well. 404 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: And we got a sense of this when we met 405 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: with this guy. 406 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 6: San Andres re Travez, San Manuel to Pueblo. 407 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: His name is Armando Monterre and he's selling well Lopez 408 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: of Rador stuff just a few steps from the National 409 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: Palace where the president. 410 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 2: Tell us, why you. 411 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 3: Have an entire stand with amlos souvenirs and now Claudia souvenirs. 412 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 6: Because people ask for it. I mean, we started with 413 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 6: a few things and then people come saying why don't 414 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 6: you do like keyholders and other things like like magnets 415 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 6: and stuff pants or spends. 416 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: So what's going on with Claudia? And shamebam. 417 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 6: She's so popular right now because we expect her to 418 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 6: be the Mexico president, and for what we're seeing around here, 419 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 6: people loves her too. 420 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: What about you? The people loves me too. We left 421 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: El Sookalo and continued on our tour of Mexico City, 422 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: which by the way, included our search to get the 423 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: interview with Claudia Shanebaum because for months we've been sending emails, 424 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: making calls and we haven't gotten a lot of response. 425 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: And then we learned that Claudia was hosting a rally 426 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 3: in a small town in the outskirts of Mexico City. 427 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: The name of this place is Tulti Land. 428 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: So of course, we woke up super early, we changed 429 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 3: our entire agenda for the day and we went there. 430 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: We are in front of the Palazio Municipal and we 431 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 3: are waiting for the moment when Claudia Shameebaue arrives. 432 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 2: We were told that. 433 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: Between seven thousand and eight thousand people are going to 434 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: be gathering today here. 435 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: This was a presidential campaign rally, like so many that 436 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: I've covered in the United States. So we found a 437 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: supporter who, like many of these folks, had traveled quite 438 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: a bit to get to this rally. Why did you 439 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: want to come with your nephews today, Imania? She said 440 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: that she plans to support Claudia Shamebaum because she believes 441 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: that she's the best candidate for the presidency. And then 442 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: we asked another supporter who was there, and she responded 443 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: by saying, it's not just Claudia that she's voting for, 444 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: but she wants to vote for the entire party of Morena. 445 00:28:52,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: And after almost two hours of waiting, Claudia finally arrived. 446 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: I was expecting her to make something of a bigger 447 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: grand entrance, but she kind of walked slowly through the 448 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: center of the crowd, waving and shaking hands and hugging 449 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: people and taking selfies, and then she walked up to 450 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: the stage. 451 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: In her speech, she said that this is a time 452 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: for women. But then she started talking about Lopez o 453 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: Rador and his government accomplishments, and she said that she 454 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: will continue implementing his policies. 455 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: Now, dear listener, we are not going to get into 456 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: all of the particularities of trying to lock down an 457 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: interview with a presidential candidate. But what we did do 458 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: is make the decision to go to this event, and 459 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: that did lead us to getting a yes. We were 460 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: told that we would get five minutes with the candidate 461 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: after her speech, and well, because Claudia Schenbaum spent four 462 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: years living in Berkeley, California when she was working on 463 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: her PhD, she agreed to speak with us in English. 464 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: It's very emotional to think that there will be a 465 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: Mexican woman running the presidency. You know, I'm talking to 466 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: one of the most powerful Mexican women in the country. 467 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: What's going on for you? What's in your heart? 468 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 9: It's responsibility. I know I represent the Mexican women. I 469 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 9: know I represent my ancestors and my daughter, my granddaughters. 470 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: What is your message to Latino Mexican voters in the 471 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: United States about this election in your candidacy, We're. 472 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 9: Going to fight for them for their rights, and we're 473 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 9: going to fight for the families in Mexico. We want 474 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 9: welfare for all the Mexicans. 475 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: Now, you have said a few days ago that Biden 476 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: and Trump should stop stop talking about the Mexican elections. 477 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: Why you said that and what's your plan regarding immigration? 478 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 9: The best way to reduce migration is to invest in 479 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 9: the countries where people have to live and want to 480 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 9: go to the US. Either if Biden wins or Trump wins. 481 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 9: There are a lot of problems in the US, and 482 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 9: it's better that their campaign not use Mexico as the problem. 483 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 9: We are not the problem. We're part of the solution. 484 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: What's going to be unique about your government. 485 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 9: Well, you know, I'm a scientist, so I'm going to 486 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 9: put a lot of effort in science and development. We're 487 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 9: going to go for women rights, and we're going to 488 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 9: continue bringing education, a good health system for the people, housing, 489 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 9: and what I call the rights for the Mexican people. 490 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: Interestingly, while we were prepping for this interview, I found 491 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: out that when Claudia was mayor. She organized a boxing 492 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: class in the middle of the Sokalo as a kind 493 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: of Guiness World Records competition, and well, I'm a dedicated boxer, 494 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: So I asked her about this at the very end 495 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: of our interview. 496 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 5: Are you a boxer? 497 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm a fighter, and I would call that a touchet. 498 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 3: Well, now we have the two female candidates on the record, 499 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: but this election is not just about them. 500 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: So when we come back to your listener, we're going 501 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: to hit the streets of Mexico City. We're going to 502 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: cover the International Women's Day protest, and we're going to 503 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: hear from women voters about this historic presidential election in Mexico. 504 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: Stay with us. Yes, Hey, we're back and we're covering 505 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: the historic Mexican presidential elections where a woman will be 506 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: president this year. And we've spoken now to both candidates, 507 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: Claudia Schambaum and Sochil Galvez, and I'm reporting this story 508 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: on the ground with my colleague Beni le Ramidez, so 509 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: Benny Ley. Mexico is known as being a country that 510 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: is machista, but it does raise a question, right, which is, 511 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: how does a country get to a point where it 512 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: has two female candidates running for president. I mean, how 513 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: does it happen? 514 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: So it took a lot of years, Maria. 515 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 3: Since twenty fourteen, so a decade ago, Mexico has been 516 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 3: approven several bills around gender party. 517 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 6: The same SIE devotes head project to Cretopulic as a 518 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 6: reformer Premier Articul. 519 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 3: It was actually female legislators who have been pushing for 520 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 3: an amendment to the Constitution, and this amendment demanded that 521 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 3: women occupy at least fifty percent of all nominations for office. 522 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 3: And after years, the Congress finally approved it and it 523 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: became law in twenty nineteen. 524 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: Mexico is one of only six in the world to 525 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: have achieved gender parity in Congress. So, you know, right now, 526 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: in the United States, we like to think that there's equality, 527 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: but even though we have a record number of women 528 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 1: in the US Congress, it's only twenty eight percent percent 529 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: of seats that are held by women. So Mexico is 530 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: actually way ahead of the game compared to the US 531 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: when it comes to gender parity in politics. 532 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: And in Mexico, this law applies to the all three 533 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 3: branches of government, so the municipal, the state, and the federal. 534 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: And when I think about politics in Mexico as a kid, 535 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: the notion of women having parody and being in power, 536 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean it was like a pipe dream. 537 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 3: Yes, But more women elected and in public service doesn't 538 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 3: mean that life is easier for women in general. Violence 539 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 3: is still very high against women in Mexico. 540 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 7: A crime for justice at the funeral for Lustra queer 541 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 7: padilla and life was brought to a brutal end when 542 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 7: a killers Downstown with petrol and center on fire. 543 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: As a society, we reached our lowest point. 544 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 4: This crime went under the radar because of all of 545 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 4: the violence were surrounded by. 546 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 3: That's the thing, maney, Yeah, that more women holding positions 547 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 3: of power. Actually, gender based violence is on the rise 548 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 3: in Mexico. 549 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, national survey data has revealed that seventy 550 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: percent of women in Mexico have experienced some form of 551 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: violence in their lifetimes and that for forty percent of women, 552 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: that violence comes from a partner. 553 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 3: So how is it that in the same country where 554 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 3: women are systematically of use, we end up having two 555 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 3: female presidential candidates. 556 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: And in order to understand this pretty profound paradox, we 557 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: spoke with the Dicia Bonifas, who is getting ready to 558 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: attend the International Women's Day March. 559 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 5: Inton says cibo ya la marcha ado sannos. 560 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: Monifaz is a Mexican lawyer, one of the top experts 561 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: on gender equality in all of Latin America. So we 562 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: asked her about the fact that Mexico is going to 563 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: have a female president before the United States. 564 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 5: Sinos moestre Mexico yego only. 565 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: Bil Mexico is at a level Latisia said that is 566 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: comparable to Argentina, Brazil, or Chile, all of which have 567 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: had female presidents. And then she said there must be 568 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: something going on in the US that in this upcoming 569 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: election you have a rematch between two old men, both 570 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: with very polarizing policies. 571 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 3: And then she told us that there is an international 572 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 3: Bill of Rights for women that protects them against all 573 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 3: forms of discrimination. One hundred and eighty nine countries have 574 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 3: signed it so far, and the United States is not 575 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 3: one of them. 576 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry to say that I'm not surprised by that. 577 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 3: So yeah, on paper, Mexico might seem more advanced than 578 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 3: the United States, but as I said before today, there 579 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 3: are still huge unresolved issues for Mexican women. 580 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 2: Remember this, About ten women are killed every day in Mexico. 581 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 3: Sometimes it is because of the violence related to drugs 582 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 3: or to human trafficking, but most of the times it 583 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 3: is a domestic issue, so women are killed by their 584 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 3: intimate partners or by the relatives and impunity for judicial cases. 585 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: It is still at over ninety five percent. 586 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 5: Nomos logrado at the Reserve Como el Mexico. 587 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 3: So, according to Leticia, Mexico is well positioned in terms 588 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: of political representation, but terrible in terms of violence against women. 589 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: And that's why we decided to attend the International Women's 590 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: Day March as part of our street coverage. So we 591 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: got to the march around three o'clock, almost two hours 592 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: after it had started. It was packed with thousands and 593 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: thousands of women. In twenty sixteen, there were six thousand 594 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: people marching. This year it was over one hundred and 595 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: eighty thousand. 596 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 3: And we saw women walking, dancing, holding signs, chanting, and 597 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 3: also jumping. 598 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so this was in fact one of my favorite 599 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: chants in the march. And the women are saying, if 600 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: you don't jump, you're a macho. So of course everybody 601 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: starts jumping. I mean even me, so all around me 602 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: women are wearing purple and green, which are the colors 603 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: that signified justice, dignity, feminism, and support for the legalization 604 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: of abortion. I have to say, we saw young women, 605 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: older women, were women. We saw women wearing well, kind 606 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 1: of racy clothes. And this is to say that when 607 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: you're part of this march, as a woman, you get 608 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: to dress however you want. In this march, you're going 609 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: to be safe, and so women just show off their bodies. 610 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 3: And it was really something to see. 611 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: Now, the streets were in fact lined with hundreds upon 612 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: hundreds of police officers, but the ones that we saw 613 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: were all women, So of course we went up to 614 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: speak to a couple of them. 615 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 5: The men. 616 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 3: Listen on the last movie. 617 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: This particular officer said that she was happy to participate 618 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 1: in the march, even if from the sidelines. She said 619 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 1: she loved witnessing other women telling their stories and feeling free, 620 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: even if just for a day. 621 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 3: From there, we kept marching and we met this young 622 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 3: girl and she was wearing this heavy makeup and a 623 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 3: mini dress and on her arm written with a sharpie, 624 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 3: she had her name, her phone number, and a message 625 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 3: that said that she was allergic to ibuprofend. 626 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 2: And she said that this was for her own safety. 627 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: What does your sign say? 628 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 6: You can watch me, but you can touch me. 629 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: The two women who are running as a young feminist, 630 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 1: You're like, you're not You're not buying it. Why not isab? 631 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: She said she's happy about having female candidates, but she 632 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: does not feel represented because of everything that is behind 633 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: these candidates. 634 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,959 Speaker 2: As we continued on the chance. 635 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 3: Were louder and louder, and most of them were against violence. 636 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 3: They were screaming, whoever to them alive, bring them back alive. 637 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 3: We approach another woman and I asked her why you're 638 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 3: here today for women, for my niece, so that we 639 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 3: can come back without having to tell someone that we came. 640 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 2: Back safe, and I can just wear whatever I. 641 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 3: Want without feeling like someone's gonna harass me in the street. 642 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: We marched for hours. We walked more than one point 643 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: five miles from the start of the march at the 644 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: Monument of the Mexican Revolution two elk, which is the 645 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: final stop, and there we heard something called batucadas. 646 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 3: And also cumbia. But of course, even though we were 647 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: attending the march as journalists. We also at times got 648 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 3: emotional because we are not only Mexican women. 649 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 2: In my case, you one Mexican. 650 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: I'm Mexican American, but. 651 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 3: Also because we have been living through that same violence 652 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 3: and impunity. 653 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: Now, dear listener, I have to be honest with you. 654 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: As a journalist, I cover protests, but I don't really 655 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: participate in them. But this was a highly emotionally charged 656 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: moment and march suddenly I found myself with a sharpie 657 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: in my hand, and I was writing the name of 658 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 1: my rapist on one of those steel barriers. And honestly, 659 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: this was just a very unexpected moment. So it says, 660 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: and I just wrote this on the wall. It says 661 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: he raped me when I was sixteen. I never said yes. 662 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't have shame in saying that. And as a journalist, 663 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: I have to speak the truth. I'm a survivor, and 664 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: I identify with so many of the women here who 665 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: have also been raped and assaulted. And part of the 666 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: moment is to write his name on this wall, which 667 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: I did, so thank you. 668 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 3: Almost an hour later, and just after the sunset, we 669 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,720 Speaker 3: finally made it to the Ccalo, we heard a chance 670 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 3: saying feminism is gonna win, is gonna win. We were exhausted, 671 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 3: but at the same time beaming with energy, so we 672 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 3: made it to the end of the marsh. How do 673 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 3: you feel, Maria. 674 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: I feel like the women of Mexico have got so 675 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: much tenacity and energy and spirit. There's a lot of 676 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: solidarity and it's so powerful to be out here. It 677 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: was something I always wanted to do, and now I 678 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: want to come back as a Mexican. 679 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 3: Woman because if we come back next year, we will 680 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 3: see how Mexican women are reacting to having a female 681 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 3: president inside the National Palace and all this even here 682 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 3: that are saying it's not enough just to be a woman. 683 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 2: You need to do things. 684 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: You need to have an openly feminist government, and having 685 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: a woman president, according to the women who are many 686 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: of the women who are marching here, is a step, 687 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: but it's not going to solve the problems. 688 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 2: But there was one thing missing in the Socaalo. 689 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: Maria, Yeah, and it was a big thing that's missing. 690 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 3: Yes, the Mexican flag, this huge monumental flag that is 691 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 3: always waving at the center of the square, and it 692 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 3: was just not there. 693 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 2: Is never there for these marches because. 694 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 3: The government makes a point of removing it. So when 695 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 3: the world sees these pictures of the Women's March, they 696 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 3: won't know that these images are from Mexico. 697 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: Well, Penny, the Mexican flag might not be flying in 698 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,439 Speaker 1: the Sokolo, but the symbolism is there regardless. And yes, 699 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: while Mexico is a machista country, it's also a country 700 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: filled with powerful women, both in and out of politics. 701 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: It's a country where huge debates are happening now on 702 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: social justice, on political rights, militarization, feminism, class issues, human rights. 703 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you name it. There will be a Mexican 704 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: woman in the presidential palace elected this year. And so 705 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: the question might be, dear listener, which country is more machista, 706 00:46:41,840 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: Mexico or the United States. This episode was produced by 707 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 1: Fernando Ernandez Becerra, Beenie Ramirez, and Roxana Aguire. It was 708 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: edited by Mitra bon Shahi. It was mixed by Stephanie 709 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: Lebau and Julia Caruso. The Latino USA team includes Victoria Estrada, Brinaldo, 710 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: Leanos Junior, Andrea Lopez Grusado, Jni mar Marquez, Marta Martinez, 711 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: Mike Sargent, Nor Saudi and Nancy Trujillo. Benileei Ramirez is 712 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: our co executive producer. 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