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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today,

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Speaker 1: That's right, it's going to be amazing. It's Crystal is

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Speaker 1: off today, but we still have an amazing array of topics.

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Speaker 1: I got to do the tough part. I actually got

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Speaker 1: to set up this damn show. So what are we

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Speaker 1: covering today? TikTok. So the House passed a piece of

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Speaker 1: legislation that we either force a sale or band TikTok

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Speaker 1: sell it. We're going to talk about that. What exactly

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Speaker 1: Georgia also throwing out some very critical charges on Donald

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Speaker 1: Dan Fuk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the envoy to Haiti who resigned it.

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Speaker 3: That's protest a couple of years ago. If you read

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Speaker 1: have been such a fantastic resource on Haiti. So I'm

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Speaker 1: with tick. Oh before I get to that. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the first to know about it as always. So let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and start with TikTok. So there was a

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Speaker 1: major legislation past the House of Representatives yesterday. Let's go

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Speaker 1: and put this up there on the screen. How each

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Speaker 1: House member voted on the bill that could ban TikTok. Overall,

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Speaker 1: it was a pretty overwhelming majority that went ahead and passed.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them are Freedom Caucus more libertarian types.

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Speaker 1: the legislation. Here's what he had to say in his

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Speaker 4: TikTok is a threat to our national security because it

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Speaker 4: It does not apply to American companies. It only applies

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Speaker 4: by Congress. It says nothing about election interference and cannot

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Speaker 5: They've described the TikTok application as a trojan horse. But

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Speaker 5: this legislation to ban TikTok is actually a trojan horse.

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Speaker 5: Some of us are concerned that there are First Amendment

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Speaker 5: Some of us just don't want the president picking which

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Speaker 3: From the perspective of US national security interests, I can

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Speaker 1: So here's what I would say in response, Ryan, is

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Speaker 3: So the broader point that Michael is making is one

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Speaker 1: have to get sign off from Chinese regulator. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's actually a matter of whether Xiang Xiuming

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Speaker 1: or the by Dance wants to sell it. This is

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Speaker 1: all in the Sheing's court, whether it's really up to him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just yesterday the Chinese Ministry of Affairs came

436
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Speaker 1: out and said they came out and said it is

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Speaker 1: unfair and goes against the principles of market fairness. And

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Speaker 1: this is what drives me nuts. I'm like, Okay, name

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Speaker 1: one US tech company that gets to do business in China, one,

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Speaker 1: just one. The only one that comes in even remotely

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Speaker 1: close is Tesla, and there's a lot of problems with

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Speaker 1: Eylon's relationship right now. With that, so any final thoughts

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Speaker 1: before we move on.

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Speaker 3: I just also find it wild that the American politicians

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Speaker 3: basically blame TikTok for young people being against genocide and gaza.

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Speaker 3: I think that seems to be the thing that really

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Speaker 3: pushed them over the top.

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Speaker 1: I think you were right, and that is a fair concern,

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Speaker 1: And if I were you, I would bring up the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing. What is the impetus the action of why?

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Speaker 1: I unfortunately do think that Israel and all that did

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Speaker 1: play a significant thing. And if it was a band,

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Speaker 1: I think I would speak out against it at this

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Speaker 1: point because I don't think that that's right.

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Speaker 3: But given the fact, what happens if it does get banned, Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing like let's say that we

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Speaker 3: were bluffing in some ways. Yeah, let's say they call

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Speaker 3: our bluff and actually just not like take it down.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be unfortunate. But I think that

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Speaker 1: the principle of reciprocal trade is too important. And I

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Speaker 1: would also say I blame Trump a huge part of this.

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Speaker 1: He should have finished the job in twenty nineteen. I

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Speaker 1: people can go roll the tape. I've been talking about

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Speaker 1: this guy since two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you believing in the idea of government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is things.

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Speaker 2: It's just this.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that the government can and has worked

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Speaker 1: in the past. If were relatively recently, it's really totally

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Speaker 1: gone off the rails, you know, since what the post

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven security state. But you know, we've been

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Speaker 1: through very dark periods. That doesn't mean that we can't

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Speaker 1: reclaim it. I believe very much in democracy in the

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Speaker 1: American project government. Yeah, I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we are very lucky. I think to

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Speaker 1: be live in a country we actually get to vote,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to a literal dictatorship which is completely controlled

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Speaker 1: by this this company.

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Speaker 3: And if this brought about genuine self government, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: actually representative.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's put about it this way. And I would

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Speaker 1: say this is what I would say to Crystal too.

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Speaker 1: She's like, well, young people will rise up. Good, Okay.

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Speaker 1: If people are pissed off and that's the other thing. Look,

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Speaker 1: this is my opinion, this is my voice. If enough

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Speaker 1: young people or whomever TikTok users, because not just young

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Speaker 1: people get pissed off about this, you are welcome to

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Speaker 1: have a campaign and to vote and to extract a

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Speaker 1: promise from the from your legislature and from Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: or Donald Trump, whoever would be the next president, and

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Speaker 1: you can use, luckily, you know, again your voice to

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Speaker 1: overturn this. You be my guest. I would fight against it,

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Speaker 1: but I believe very much in their ability to try

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Speaker 1: and to campaign against it, so that kind of brings

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Speaker 1: it kind of the core principles I think that are

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Speaker 1: in the debate. You know, even though my I think

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Speaker 1: my opinion is strong, like I wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: you got your voice in and also to voice Thomas

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Speaker 1: Massey's opinion, Michael Tracy, I highly recommend, though you know,

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Speaker 1: I have great respect for those two individuals, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to tarnish them or anything. I think

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Speaker 1: they have a legitimate point of view, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens.

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Speaker 3: And Ben Franklin say, we have made a sticky algorithmic app.

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Speaker 2: If you can keep it.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I like it a lot.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the future, I don't know where this

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Speaker 1: is going to go from what I have heard. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what you think it. At the very least, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna take a while in the Senate if it ever does. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm dubious that it passes it all personally, just because

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Speaker 1: you got Democrats who control the chamber. Do they really

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Speaker 1: want to be on the you know, let's say the

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Speaker 1: app does get ban, that they really want to get

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Speaker 1: screwed by something like that. I don't think they're wanting

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Speaker 1: to take that rest.

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Speaker 3: So there's not enough weed that you could legalize to

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Speaker 3: earn back the numbers that you're going to lose from panning.

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Speaker 2: TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. All right, let's move on to the

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Speaker 1: next part. This is Georgia. Major news out of there.

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Speaker 6: Ryan.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually very curious for your take. I'll just set

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Speaker 1: up the details. Let's put this up there please on

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Speaker 1: the screen. The judge who is currently overseeing that twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election interference case involving Trump has actually thrown out

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Speaker 1: six separate charges, quashing the six counts in the indictment,

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Speaker 1: three actually against Trump. The judge has left in place

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Speaker 1: ten other counts that Trump faces, and the prosecutors are

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Speaker 1: now saying they're going to try and seek a new

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Speaker 1: indictment to reinstate the ones that he had dismissed. This

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Speaker 1: is the Associated Press. Ruling is a blow for Fulton

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Speaker 1: County DA Fanny Willis, who already is facing an effort

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Speaker 1: to have her removed from the prosecution over her romantic

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Speaker 1: relationship with the colleague. We will get to that. It

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Speaker 1: is the first time, actually that any charges against Trump

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Speaker 1: in any of his criminal cases have been dismissed, and

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Speaker 1: much of this traces back to the use of a

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Speaker 1: Georgia Rico law, which was associated previously with mobsters, that

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Speaker 1: was then used to go after Trump in this particular case.

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Speaker 1: The defense attorneys obviously said that this was the correct decision,

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Speaker 1: But the reason why this is especially big is that

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Speaker 1: one of these counts stems from that quote perfect phone

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Speaker 1: call where Trump told Brad Rathensberger to quote find eleven

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and eighty votes. The reason that it was

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Speaker 1: dismissed again has something to do with the complicated like

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Speaker 1: minutia over Rico. But considering how that was such a

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Speaker 1: flagship public part of the case against Trump. Ryan, I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what you think about this in terms of thees.

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Speaker 3: Basically, what the judge so to step back, what prosecutors had,

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Speaker 3: What prosecutors had to do in order to make this

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Speaker 3: case was to kind of lay on a set of

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Speaker 3: facts onto a series of laws that were not really

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Speaker 3: written with this specific thing in mind. Like when Georgia

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Speaker 3: sat down and wrote its election laws, they were not

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Speaker 3: thinking in the back of their mind that the actual

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Speaker 3: president of the United States would be putting pressure on lawmakers,

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Speaker 3: on the governor, on election officials, on regular poll workers

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Speaker 3: to find the.

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Speaker 2: Votes to flip the vote.

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Speaker 3: So because they didn't have that in the back of

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Speaker 3: their mind, they didn't, you know, specifically say the President

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Speaker 3: of the United States shall not use his office to

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Speaker 3: pressure poll workers to find eleven thousand votes. And so

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Speaker 3: what they had to do is take other laws that

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Speaker 3: are that that are written around the idea of protecting

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Speaker 3: election infrastructure and protecting protecting the integrity of elections, and

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Speaker 3: they've just basically took every law that they could find

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Speaker 3: and slapped it into the indictment. And what the judge

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Speaker 3: ruled here is that you didn't you didn't make your

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Speaker 3: case about how these specific actions actually tie specifically to

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Speaker 3: these laws. And so now what the prosecutors are saying

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Speaker 3: are like, okay, well we consider these to be edits

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Speaker 3: and red lines. We're going to send you a new

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Speaker 3: indictment that actually does spell out with, you know, with

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Speaker 3: more clarity on why we think that these laws actually

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Speaker 3: do apply to the perfect phone call, or to the

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Speaker 3: or to the other, or or to the other elements

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Speaker 3: of what they say as a crime. So I think

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Speaker 3: that's the that's the problem that we're having. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: designed with this in mind, and so they're trying to

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Speaker 3: shoot horn in laws that do exist because they're like, well.

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Speaker 2: This must be illegal.

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Speaker 3: Now let's go Now, let's go find the laws that

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Speaker 3: show that it's Illeger excellent point.

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Speaker 1: The other really noteworthy thing to me about this was

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Speaker 1: that the timeline just got pushed out. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: now the judge has granted actually a six month window

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Speaker 1: to have to resubmit this case to the grand jury. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what date is it. It's March fourteen, So now you

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Speaker 1: got six months. I mean, who knows. You know, look,

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Speaker 1: especially with all this other nonsense going on in that office,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine how difficult it must be to actually

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Speaker 1: get some work done. And who's the lawyer who's going

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Speaker 1: to be doing it, because it ain't going to be

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Speaker 1: Nathan Wade. Well, he has or she has to then

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Speaker 1: find a new prosecutor. They have to redo the case.

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Speaker 1: They have to re grand jury the case. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: the last time we did grand jury this case was

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Speaker 1: what over a year ago. Now at this point, this

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Speaker 1: stuff takes a long time. So they've got to drop

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Speaker 1: new charges, then go to the grand jury, then go

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Speaker 1: through legal review. They're running out of time. Thing, out

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Speaker 1: of time. I mean, how are they going to try

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Speaker 1: and try this case? But November, I just go with

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Speaker 1: the charges you've got. But they can't because they need

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Speaker 1: that phone call charge. They because it's such a critical

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Speaker 1: phone exact, because the phone call charge is such a

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Speaker 1: critical piece of the public case against Trump. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the things that people and everybody's the thing, the

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Speaker 1: thing that publicly and let's be honest, like this isn't

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Speaker 1: just about application of the law, right like a lot

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Speaker 1: of this is political. Well within that, then they need

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Speaker 1: this particular thing unless they do come to the conclusion

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Speaker 1: that they do want to try and have the trial

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Speaker 1: beforehand and move ahead. But that's not what they've at

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Speaker 1: least said for now. So that brings us to a

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Speaker 1: couple of the other criminal cases right now, the only

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Speaker 1: criminal case going forward against Trump before the election, almost

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent, is that dumbass Stormy Daniels case in

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Speaker 1: New York State, which does nobody cares, which.

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Speaker 2: He can get convicted of and pay a fine.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think it's like probation or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: it's not.

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Speaker 2: I want to see him doing community service.

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Speaker 1: Right And even then, I think rich people can buy

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Speaker 1: their way out of community service. Isn't that true? Like

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Speaker 1: the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing you can use your nonprofit

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Speaker 1: or what. That's actually a crazy loophole in the justice system.

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Speaker 3: That's a whole other Yes, and judges can try to

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Speaker 3: stop that if they're either being petty or just which

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Speaker 3: whichever way you want to say it. Yeah, yes, okay,

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Speaker 3: like they're going to sign specific stuff. Okay, that's good,

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Speaker 3: but that it gets enough, then it gets then it

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Speaker 3: gets into the hands of the social right the other side,

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Speaker 3: and they can buy their way out of it.

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Speaker 2: So you're right, You're definitely right.

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Speaker 1: Being rich in this country is always a favor. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to the next part in terms of the Hill,

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Speaker 1: please put that up there on the screen where they

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Speaker 1: talk about the disqualification trial that's actually coming up. It's

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Speaker 1: a hearing, so a Georgia judge, the same judge is

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Speaker 1: expected now to actually hear this week argument as to

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Speaker 1: whether Fanny Willis herself should be booted from this entire

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Speaker 1: case the office that being brought then by the Trump team.

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Speaker 1: So obviously this goes back to the torrid affair between

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Speaker 1: her and mister Nathan Wade. And then there's psychotic and

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Speaker 1: insane divorce case proceedings which are broadcast live for everyone

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Speaker 1: to see. She claims that she reimbursed him hundreds of

650
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars in cash, with no records, no withdrawal

651
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: receipts or others. Maybe you see if you can believe her,

652
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: there's no way to prove what she's saying. And Ryan,

653
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: as you've laid out previously, we don't care about the affair.

654
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: We care about the in kind gifts because mister Wade

655
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: was paid upwards of what seven hundred thousand dollars by

656
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: the state of Georgia. And obviously if he's both profiting

657
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: from the state and then giving possibly in kind gifts

658
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: to his lover and girlfriend with state money. That is

659
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 1: a blatant violation of Georgia.

660
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Speaker 3: That's the reason not to hire your girlfriend or your

661
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: boyfriend with public money, because then you need to have

662
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: an accounting of every time you go on a date

663
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: or a vacation.

664
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Speaker 2: Otherwise you're in violation of these kickback laws.

665
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: But obviously you can't have a paper trail or a

666
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: public accounting if it's an affair.

667
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: So those those two things are in direct conflict.

668
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: Keeping your romantic relationship the secret and documenting it is

669
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: going to undermine the whole point of having an affair.

670
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: So therefore you probably shouldn't hire.

671
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: Your Yeah, that's that's the pro tips out right. Not

672
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: really sure why even needs to be said, but the

673
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: ladies on the view will defend her. But as I

674
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: pointed out in terms of how this would come, this

675
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: week we'll find out whether she gets to stay on

676
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: the case or not. Then if she doesn't get to

677
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: stay on the case, then there actually could be a

678
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: new prosecuting office which would delay the case even further.

679
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: And it says that currently any delay would be then

680
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: exacerbated by the appeal of that decision by the current

681
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: attorney's office. So if there is a ruling in this,

682
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: it is going to drag this thing out, even the

683
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: four months he's.

684
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: Got the bozo down in Florida that he appointed that

685
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: it is delaying that trial. Right, you got the Alvin

686
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: Bragg thing, which nobody cares about it. You've got this

687
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: punted past the election.

688
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: Bingo.

689
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: What about the one to be Elliot and Nesk guy,

690
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: how's that one going?

691
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually not one hundred percent sure. So okay, the

692
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Document's case, that was another one. I think that's been

693
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: pushed January twenty January sixth, So yeah, this is a

694
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: real issue. My other favorite part of this is that

695
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: even if she is upheld by the judge, then Trump

696
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: gets to appeal this decision about Fanny Willis could then

697
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: could immediately take it either post trial or pre trial,

698
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: depending on how.

699
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: They post presidency.

700
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense would then have to request discretionary review

701
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: by the appellate court according to the according to the

702
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Georgia judicial system, and if they do, then that would

703
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: take another ten business days.

704
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: The dangerous thing that this sets up is a situation

705
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: where Trump is president and then has all of these

706
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: criminal cases, is that's the most likely not hanging over him,

707
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: which we've seen how that works with net and Yaho,

708
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: so net Yah, who has these criminal cases waiting for

709
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: him once he's finally out of power, and so he

710
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: just does everything he like, there's already a will to

711
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: cling to power. And all of these politicians you add,

712
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: oh and by the way, you're going to jail if

713
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: you leave office, then they are willing to just do

714
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: anything to stay in power.

715
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: That's not that's not what you want with Trump.

716
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: Now, I don't think he can stay in power because

717
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: he doesn't have I don't think the Supreme Court would

718
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: side with him trying to get another term, and I

719
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: don't think the military would do it. So I don't

720
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 3: think he has There's no path like for him doing

721
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: more than four years, Like the system is ready to

722
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: spit him out, but he will be he will have

723
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: an intense incentive to stay if he's got those cases

724
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 3: hanging over him.

725
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Obviously, very very astute and correct, and it just sets.

726
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: Just pardon him to mar A Lago.

727
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, what if he tries to pardon himself?

728
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: Okay, good, actually, but it's a state case.

729
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: Though, that's true, that's right.

730
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that he can he can pardon the federal case.

731
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: That would apply for both the federal cases, but it

732
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: would not apply. It would also be a huge stress

733
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: test to the Supreme Court. And I think of, what

734
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: is it. There's some nineteen seventy three memo in the

735
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: Department of Justice. The president can't pardon himself.

736
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 3: It goes back to what you don't even do with

737
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 3: a memo. This would be fun.

738
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Honestly, I feel like law school clerks or law school

739
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: teachers are having the time of their lives right now

740
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: in terms of Supreme Court, constitutional law and all this.

741
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: So I almost wish that I was in law school

742
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: just so that I could study some stuff like this,

743
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: because when I was in school, it was boring as hell.

744
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: Some major shakeups by the RFK Junior campaign. Let's go

745
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: and put this up there on the screen. A new

746
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: list has come out of potential vice presidential picks from

747
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: RFK Junior. So I'm going to go ahead and read

748
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: some of these for you first, and what the biggest

749
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: headline grabbing one is Aaron Rodgers, the current NFL quarterback.

750
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: What is it for the new York Jets. Right for

751
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: the Jets.

752
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: Four downs for the Jets, four downs.

753
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: For the Jets, I believe. Is he injured? Is he

754
00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: still on the roster?

755
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says he's coming back.

756
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Okay, he said he's coming back. Aaron Rodgers as big

757
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: there on the list, obviously. Aaron Rodgers has spoken extensively

758
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: about RFK Junior on the Joe Rogan experience and elsewhere,

759
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: aligning with him, particularly on his views on vaccines, but

760
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: in general kind of being a relative I guess what skeptic,

761
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: I guess you could say of elites. The other person

762
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: that really shot out to me was Jesse Ventura, which

763
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: I actually think Ryan would be a smarter move. And

764
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think given his past political experience.

765
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he was literally the governor of the state

766
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. And look, you know, you can love, you

767
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: can hate Jesse. I've kind of find him a frankly

768
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: like inspirational figure, like this is a guy who used

769
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: and had his He used and had his personal like

770
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: popularity with his very anti establishment politics, gets himself elected

771
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: governor and then becomes like a real voice and force

772
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: against a lot of people the establishment kind of in

773
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: the interim twenty years, it was strong on the Iraq

774
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: War and all that, for example, So that would be

775
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: an interesting case, and I think it would align more

776
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: with rfk JR.

777
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 2: He's very He's very rfk JR.

778
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear I'd love to hear their unvarnished

779
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: conversations like we're we're only getting the stuff that that

780
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: that they're willing to put out there. Venture is fascinating.

781
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 3: He like went to move to Mexico basically and became

782
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: a hermit down on the beach, like the kind of

783
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: the kind of lifestyle that everybody.

784
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: Dreams of, Like, I'm out of here.

785
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: Man done the other ones they list ran Paul Hard

786
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: to imagine him actually accepting that he's a Republican Tulca

787
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Gabbard that I could see.

788
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Andrew Yang was thrown out there, Mike rowe.

789
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: Micro see micro Actually that'd be kind of smart.

790
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: I think your guy Tony Robbins, so he is.

791
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Not my guy. Let's be made that said Tony Robbins.

792
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: I think would be smart just because Tony Robbins is

793
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: incredibly popular and famous and everybody knows who he is,

794
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: so there is like a name id element to this.

795
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't know much about Tony Robbins, at least in

796
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: the I feel like he was a big thing when

797
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: I was a kid, like maybe twenty years ago. That's

798
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: when his tapes and the CDs and all that were

799
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: really taken over. I don't know how well his business

800
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: is doing all this. I still pretty well.

801
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: I still wonder what would have happened in the world

802
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: where RFK Junior had Instead he just has this like reflexive,

803
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: ultra hawkish approach to Israel that came out since October seventh,

804
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: and that's and he's dug in on it like that.

805
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: That's who That's who he is, That's who he is,

806
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: that's what he believes.

807
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: But you know, he flows out of you know, RFK

808
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: Senior he ran as an anti war candidate in nineteen

809
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: sixty eight. What if instead of that position he had

810
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: a different position where he was against the war and

811
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 3: you combined his ability to pick up the Joe Rogan

812
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: podcast world, which is tens of millions of people with

813
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: the disaffected under thirty people, and he started having Bernie

814
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: size rallies. That political coalition is a force that can

815
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: get you to a third of the vote in states like,

816
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: which makes you then a major party contender.

817
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: I think the only explanation is he believes it right,

818
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: He's not a stupid man.

819
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: But let's say he did. Could you am I crazy?

820
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: Is there a pal I think it right where he

821
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: could get to thirty thirty five.

822
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: What I think he would need to do is he

823
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: doesn't even need to be like a full blown like

824
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: left poster. He just needs to be like I would

825
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: run the war differently, and I feel like that would

826
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: be enough for a lot of these people. So if

827
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: you were to co op, yeah, I mean think about Obama.

828
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, like he was anti war,

829
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: but in the midst of those War eight campaign he

830
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: wasn't really anti right, he had the whole good war

831
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: rhetoric and then we all know how he ran. But

832
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: enough people, even idiots like me, were like, yeah, I

833
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: hate the Iraq War, Like let's go. You know, I

834
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: was like a teenager. Well, I think a lot of

835
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: people would be feeling exactly the same way the thing.

836
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: So I want to just like spend time on Aaron

837
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Rodgers specifically, let's put this up there. Adam what is

838
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: this man's name, Adam Schefter. I know Okay, NFL people,

839
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: please don't judge me. I don't watch the NFL. I

840
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: know this man is like a famous person in that world,

841
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: he says. Aaron Rodgers is officially on the RFK junior

842
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: short list to be his running mate on the Independent, Independent,

843
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Financial or presidential ticket, as he confirms in ESPN and

844
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: first reported there by The New York Times, Aaron okay.

845
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: From a pure political popularity perspective, I don't think it

846
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: would be bad because NFL is the only thing that

847
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: actually unites this country in terms of viewership. It's literally

848
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: the only.

849
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: Figure is though the NFL.

850
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's my question is how many people are

851
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: even familiar with his like Vaccine Epstein views on Pat

852
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: McAfee as opposed to I mean, how old he's like

853
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: forty years old, he's been a look, I don't watch

854
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I know who freaking Aaron Rodgers is,

855
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: right like he is the level of pop culture name

856
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: I d which is very very difficult to beat as

857
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: opposed to all these other people on here. I'm not

858
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: saying you be a good vice president. I don't honestly

859
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: know anything about him other than listening to him on

860
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: the Joe Rogan experience. But if your goal is to

861
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: just I mean get the bros out there, get an

862
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: am id, you know, go viral and all of that,

863
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: and just get awareness, I don't think it would be

864
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: a bad move, honestly.

865
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: I mean he did cause a lot of drama within

866
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: the NFL and on his team with his refusal to

867
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: take the vaccine and sort of like lying about it,

868
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Speaker 3: and like, well.

869
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Speaker 1: I don't okay, So this is the other thing. What

870
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: did he say again? He said he was immunized, right,

871
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to. I mean,

872
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: he says he has an allergy. I mean I believe him.

873
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: So I would like at the time, even at the time,

874
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: I was like, look, if the guy says he had COVID,

875
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: Like what do you do?

876
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 6: What do you care?

877
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: That's right, you do actually have just as much immunity

878
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: from getting COVID. Then then take the vaccine. But yeah,

879
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 3: it was a controversial procession. So that's that's all I'm saying.

880
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: Even though the NFL is the one thing that our

881
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: monoculture is still like agreed upon. But the other the

882
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: other fun part is I like this abut him. Apparently

883
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: he's at an ayahuasca retreat.

884
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put that up there on the screen. It broke.

885
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: The news broke of him being on the list while

886
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: he was on an ayahuascar retreat Costa Rica. I believe

887
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: this is his second, or at least not his first

888
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: visit down to Costa Rica for his ayahuasca retreat, which

889
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: he has spoken about publicly.

890
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: He credits ayahuasca with kind of opening his opening his

891
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: mind and changing the way that he sees the world,

892
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: which I hope that doesn't discredit it to everybody else

893
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: who's like he sees what sees where he's gone with it.

894
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: I mean I do. I do love that he's, you know,

895
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: as you called it, skeptical.

896
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: The problem, the problem from from my perspective with people

897
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: like Aaron Rodgers is that they're not actually skeptical. They

898
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: just say, Okay, anything that this side says, I immediately

899
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: believe the other side. And if and if you have

900
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory for him, he's like, I'm in that's

901
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: not skepticism, that's gullibility. I think you got to be

902
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: skeptical across the board. However, I do love that he's,

903
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: you know, searching for a soul down there, He's costa

904
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: Rica and opening everybody should do iowas.

905
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: So imagine this. If he did win, he'd be the

906
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: only politician ever to pass the Graham Hancock test. So

907
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Graham Hancock, the famous what is ancient civilizations guy? I've

908
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: heard him say this multiple times. He was like, I

909
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: believe that every politician should have like ten nyahuasca journeys

910
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: or experiences. So, I mean, I don't know what number

911
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Aaron is at, but he would be the only person

912
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: actually to pass the Graham Hancock test. So maybe that's

913
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: a reason to vote for him. Nonetheless, I mean, look,

914
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: the problem that rf K Junior has is he could

915
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: very quickly fall into the it's a joke category where

916
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: people who would seriously consider voting for him would see

917
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers pick and would be like, Okay, come on,

918
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. I would much more think that somebody

919
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: like Jesse vent Tura, Tulsea Gabbert, Andrew Yang, any of

920
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: the folks we listen with genuine political experience, would be

921
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: a lot better because they've got a relatively little you know,

922
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: they got some more name I d they are, They've

923
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: got name ID in terms of the political system. But

924
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: these are like lawmakers or former presidential canons of actual experience,

925
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of within the system, and it would make him,

926
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: i think, appear more legitimate if he were to pick

927
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: those steps.

928
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: It is telling about the way that our culture and

929
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: our politics have shifted that he felt like this could

930
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: be his list. In the past, when you've got a

931
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: third party candidate who's trying to project legitimacy, they go

932
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: and get some retired general who did ross pro get admiral.

933
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: This was Admiral Stockdale, who had this funny line that

934
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: went viral before there was social media in a vice

935
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: presidential debate where he's like, who am I?

936
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: Why am I here? And it really sounded like he

937
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: was genuinely curious.

938
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: Okay, but James Stockdale is also a hero. I mean,

939
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: for exactly this is he's a metal lawner winner.

940
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 3: This rock guy felt like he needed somebody to assure

941
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: the American people that he would be a good shepherd

942
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 3: of the National Security State and as Commander in chief.

943
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: RFK Junior is like nah Me and Ann Rodgers got

944
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: this and that it is I think indicative of the

945
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: distrust that now exists between the America.

946
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: You just gave me an idea he's too old because

947
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: I just looked it up. Wesley Clark, I feel like

948
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: it would have been a great pick.

949
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 6: Now.

950
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: He's super skeptical of the US intelligence agencies of the security.

951
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: He has that famous clip about the post Iraq discussions

952
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: about invading Libya and all that. He really was a

953
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: peacenick actually, but former four star general, a guy who really,

954
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, he's proven his anti war bona fides and

955
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: he's somebody who legitimately has that type of experience. But

956
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: he's seventy nine, so I think he's way too old.

957
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: But that said, you wouldn't be a bad pick.

958
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: He's like right in the middle of our I mean

959
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: he is in.

960
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: Terms of assuring people, you have a seventy two year old,

961
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: and I think RFK seventy two and a seventy nine

962
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: year old up against an eighty one year old, and

963
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: what is a seventy eight years or eight year old

964
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: not necessarily all that inspiring. But yeah, if Wesley Clark

965
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: was younger, I feel like he would actually be a

966
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: great pick. He could be Stockdale esque. So anyway, my

967
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: advice to the campaign, not that they care or what

968
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: I say or listen, would be to pick somebody with

969
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: some political experiences to make yourself feel more legitimate instead

970
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: of just a castaway protest about you don't want to

971
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: fall into the joke category. You want to fall into

972
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: the serious category. The media is already been trying to

973
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: paint you as a joke as it is. So I

974
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't pick a micro or an Aaron Rodgers. But well,

975
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: Connie ro also wouldn't be the worst thing in the

976
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: world for an AMID. So we'll see, and we'll see

977
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: what happens.

978
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't see. Yeah, and what is Aaron Rodgers?

979
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 3: Add everybody who likes Aaron Rodgers already likes RFKJU and your.

980
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: Good point, great point. Actually that's right. It's not necessarily additive.

981
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: Our man, Ben Shapiro, as he says in this clip

982
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: we're about to play, he grew up the Internet by

983
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: being a little towarp suggesting that old people need to

984
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: work longer, and also coming after solid security, which comes

985
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: after Donald Trump, you know, very stupidly, in my opinion,

986
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: just pragmatically from a political perspective, suggested that actually, yes,

987
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: he told cnbe yes, there are ways that we can

988
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: cut social security and Medicare, which is CNBC has been

989
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: slobbering for those cuts. And the thing that people liked

990
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: about Trump was that he was willing to tell CNBC, no,

991
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: you're actually you owe that to people, you're not taking

992
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: away from them. So Ben Shapiro jumps in and sees

993
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 3: an opportunity to go back to this old conservative canhard of.

994
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: We're going to do this.

995
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: Actually, we're finally going.

996
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: To come for these entitlements. Let's play a little bit

997
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: of our man, Ben Shapiro.

998
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 8: So yesterday I apparently blew up the internet. I blew

999
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 8: up the Internet because of something that I said on

1000
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 8: this show. What exactly did I say that blew up

1001
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 8: the internet? While I touched the political third rail, I

1002
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 8: talked about social security. Now, I know what you're thinking,

1003
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 8: what's so spicy about social security? And I will admit

1004
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 8: I was thinking the same thing because there are a

1005
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 8: few simple facts in the matter with regard to social security. One,

1006
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 8: we don't have the money for it, and it's a

1007
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 8: Ponzi scheme. And two, with regard to sort of the

1008
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 8: personal decision to retire, very often when people retire, they're

1009
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 8: making a bad decision. And let's be real, about this.

1010
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 8: It's insane that we haven't raised the retirement age in

1011
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 8: the United States. It's totally crazy Joe Biden. If that

1012
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 8: were the case, Joe Biden should not be running for president. Hey,

1013
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 8: Joe Biden is eighty one years old. The retirement age

1014
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 8: in the United States at which you start to receive

1015
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 8: Social Security and you are eligible for Medicare is sixty five.

1016
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 8: Joe Biden has technically been eligible for Social Security and

1017
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 8: Medicare for sixteen years, and he wants to continue in

1018
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 8: office until he is eighty six, which is nineteen years

1019
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 8: passed when he would be eligible for retirement. No one

1020
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 8: in the United States should be retiring at sixty five

1021
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 8: years old. Frankly, I think retirement itself is a stupid

1022
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 8: idea unless you have some sort of health problem. Everybody

1023
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 8: that I know who is who is elderly, who has

1024
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 8: retired is dead within five years. And if you talk

1025
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 8: to people who are elderly and they lose their purpose

1026
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 8: in life by losing their job and they stop working,

1027
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 8: things go to hell in a handbasket real quick. It

1028
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 8: was an attempt to get older workers off the payrolls

1029
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 8: to make womb for younger workers. The first full social

1030
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 8: security scheme was put in place by Otto von Bismarck

1031
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 8: in Germany and was a way of clearing the older

1032
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 8: payrolls of older workers because they weren't as effective, and

1033
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 8: in fact, older workers fought it all.

1034
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: Right, there's a lot going on there, Ryan, Yeah.

1035
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: And first of all, he could just have googled social

1036
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: security retirement age. It's sixty seven. They bumped it up.

1037
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: It's not sixty five. That's just a weird mistaken there. Secondly,

1038
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: and I think we can put you have the next

1039
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: community note element up here. Good good community note. One

1040
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: of the reasons that you have such low life expectancy

1041
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: from back in the day is infant mortality. You go

1042
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: back and look at like during the time of the

1043
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 3: founding of the country, life expects is like forty or something.

1044
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: Inside what how's that possible?

1045
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: So forty And then you're like, wait a minute, but

1046
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 3: Ben Franklin was like, oh, eighty years old, were you signing?

1047
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: How is this possible?

1048
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: And it turns out that when you read further, like

1049
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: they had ten children, only five lived past the age

1050
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: of three or four, And you're like, oh, I see,

1051
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: so the average is now if you make it into adulthood.

1052
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: Then your life expects the at the time was you know,

1053
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: close to six. Basically it hasn't risen much and actually

1054
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: life expectancy over the last couple of years is dipping

1055
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: back downwards. So you know he should actually adjust his

1056
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: talking clients.

1057
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Speaker 1: If let me add on this mction that often people

1058
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: will say that's because of COVID. That is absolutely not true.

1059
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: We've done multiple monologues here on the subject. It has

1060
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: been ticking down since twenty seventeen, and unfortunately it's actually fentanyl.

1061
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: Overdoses reasons because you're losing one hundred thousand people plus

1062
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: a year if you have the age of twenty year.

1063
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: Exactly, So you have fensanyl being the number one cause

1064
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: of or overdose being the number one cause of death

1065
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: for people who are what is like twenty to fifty

1066
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: five prime aged working years. On top of you have

1067
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: horrible chronic health conditions and obesity. So you put that

1068
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: all together, our society is on like a Soviet esque decline.

1069
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: But let's talk.

1070
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: About the lack of any imagination in the mind of

1071
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro. I think it's it is true that there

1072
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: are people who get their meaning through their routine of

1073
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: going to work and coming home in the weekends, and

1074
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: then they retire and they're and they're lost.

1075
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Like I think it's probably more true for people like us, right, it's.

1076
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 3: Even even people who uh work manual jobs.

1077
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying, though, that's kind of an important distinction, and

1078
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: I guess me to the hero element.

1079
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: But the answer to that is not to say, well,

1080
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: don't ever stop that routine and drive your drive yourself

1081
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: until you are.

1082
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: In the grave. It is, well, what's wrong with all

1083
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: of this?

1084
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 3: Like, let's let's let's find more spiritual value, and spiritual

1085
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be religious at all. Let's just find

1086
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: more meaning in our daily lives and our social relations

1087
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: in the way that we not just work but also play,

1088
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: and the way that we kind of love each other

1089
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: as a community, as a family, etcetera.

1090
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: Like, let's let's have better lives our entire lives.

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00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I think retirement age is

1092
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: so or sorry, retirement, social security and all that is

1093
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: so imperative is that we have a huge manual labor

1094
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: underclass in this country of which their body literally gets

1095
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: broken down. And if you look at some of the

1096
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: poverty statistics, from the nineteen thirties. It is horrifying. I

1097
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: know that in AMMI and all of those, it's like

1098
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: it's it kind of popularizes this image that it was

1099
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: working age people who were in Hooverville's and that is

1100
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: certainly true to some extent, but a lot of the

1101
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: people who were starving to death and dying, they weren't

1102
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: just old. Yes, they're pensioners, I mean, but I mean

1103
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: that they got they went broke, They're bank were gone.

1104
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: And these people guys, they died of literal starvation because

1105
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: they were so poor and they could not go or

1106
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: even qualify under this. And then finally, there's a basic

1107
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: aspect of fairness. I've been paying in this damn program

1108
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: my entire life. Every time I look at my paycheck,

1109
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: I said, I remember the very first time I get

1110
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: I got rid of I said, what the is this

1111
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: fight as shit? You know? And then I was like, oh,

1112
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: it's Social Security. I'm like, okay, but that's part of

1113
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: the thing is that every American who works in this country,

1114
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: we have paid into this system, fairly or not. You know,

1115
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: you can say reform, etc. I'm like, no, no, no, no,

1116
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: you took my you took a hell of a lot

1117
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: of my money over the year, not even close to

1118
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: what I'm going to get back out of it. At

1119
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: the very least, I'm going to get something. So the

1120
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: idea that it's going to get abolished is completely outrageous.

1121
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: And the idea that it's a Ponzi scheme is also

1122
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 3: just factually incorrect. Like ask Ben Shapiro, name another Ponzi

1123
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: scheme that hasn't missed a payment in eighty one years.

1124
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: Like, it's a sustainable program.

1125
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: Right because and you know how I can say that

1126
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: we have sustained it for eighty one years. We can

1127
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: we can continue to sustain it if you need to

1128
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: make some tweaks. And Ben Shapiro has to pay a

1129
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: little bit more into it to help some other people

1130
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: find that's different. But to your point, there is still

1131
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 3: a word kind of in our vernacular that that comes

1132
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: from the period before Social Security, and the word is

1133
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 3: the poorhouse.

1134
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you would hear it from your parents and your grandparents.

1135
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: You're going to put me in the poorhouse.

1136
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 3: The poorhouse was an actual thing, and it was basically

1137
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 3: a charitable run organization. Sometimes it would get a little

1138
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: bit of money from the town or from the city

1139
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: of the state where when elderly people could no longer

1140
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 3: longer make income, they would just get put in the poorhouse.

1141
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: These were the most decrepit, disgusting, degrading, undignified places that

1142
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: you could put elderly people and the other place. And

1143
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: I interviewed Dingle about this, whose father was the author

1144
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: of the Social Security Act. He said, when he was

1145
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: a kid, his house was filled with Dingles and other

1146
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: Polish relatives. What would happen is everybody would just move

1147
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 3: into a house that had a little bit of room.

1148
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: That was it. You had the poor house, and you had.

1149
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: Elderly people moving in with whatever cousins, nephews, nieces or

1150
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: grandchildren or anybody else that could take them in. If

1151
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: that's how you want to do it, Like if you

1152
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: want to have.

1153
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: A multi generational home.

1154
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: Where you know the people the like the mom and

1155
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 3: the dad are supporting the children and the grandparents, go ahead,

1156
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: you should do that.

1157
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: If you want to do it. They were. Everybody was

1158
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: forced to do it.

1159
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 3: Social Security is around the world the greatest poverty reduction

1160
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: program that has ever existed in human history.

1161
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: Let me get on Spatok specifically to that forty point

1162
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: two percent of people who are older and eligible for

1163
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: Social Security their only income is social Security.

1164
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: Those people are a retire warehouse.

1165
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: It'd be I mean there do they're going to die?

1166
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: Like they literally going to die without Social Security and medicare. Now,

1167
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, that's not a good situation.

1168
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 1: And if you are my age or you know your age, Ryan,

1169
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: please stay for retirement.

1170
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 6: Please.

1171
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm begging you because you don't want to be in

1172
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: this position. That said forty percent of the country is

1173
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: so clearly we're screwing up, and we've done a hell

1174
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: of a lot wrong in terms of setting and financially

1175
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: educating people. But it is what it is when you

1176
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: need to let these people just die, you know, in

1177
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: a complete in obscurity poverty.

1178
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: You cut a couple hundred dollars from them just to

1179
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: save Ben Shapiro money on his taxes. The choices that

1180
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: they then have to make are just brutals, devastating, and

1181
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: Ben Ben would never have any idea about that type

1182
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: of a choice.

1183
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: The other thing that they point out is that so

1184
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: forty percent, but truly more than fifty percent of people

1185
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: sixty five or older received at least fifty percent. Then

1186
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: of their income after age sixty seven from social Security.

1187
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: So then now imagine that as you just said, you know,

1188
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: a couple cut one hundred bucks five percent doesn't sound

1189
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: like a lot to you or I. When the price

1190
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: of vegas goes up by twenty Yeah, it actually does

1191
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: make a huge difference. A lot of these people also

1192
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: live by themselves or you know, in a sole household.

1193
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: You couple that with a lot of these nursing homes

1194
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: and you know the medicare fraud and all that stuff

1195
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: that goes on. You know, it's not an easy life

1196
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: to just be living purely on the government. Again, why

1197
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm begging you please take some responsibility and try and

1198
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: say for retirement. But if you do find yourself in.

1199
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: This after you've paid for your breaking points stuff though, yeah, right.

1200
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: Of course I would never advise that, But say, first,

1201
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: you don't want to be in this position, and I

1202
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: really hope that nobody is. I wouldn't wish it on anybody,

1203
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: But we have to deal with reality. Forty fifty percent

1204
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: of the country is living in this position. Well, now

1205
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: what I think we haven't Look, we have a well

1206
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: defined program here and again all those people, at least

1207
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: you know the way the programs is done. They paid

1208
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: into it, We're all paying into it. It would be

1209
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: outrageous to rob us of the similar thing. It also

1210
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: comes to a matter of emphasis, which is what Mike

1211
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: Cernovitch kind of put and I really love this framing.

1212
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. He says. Reminder,

1213
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro advocated for every war in the Middle East.

1214
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: When the rich kids of DC America can't afford FOURGN

1215
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: eight and foreign wars, then we can maybe talk about

1216
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: making Grandma Star. Until then, no thanks, I totally agree.

1217
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: You want to save money. The Biden administration just put

1218
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: out a defense budget of eight hundred and forty two

1219
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: billion dollars eight hundred and forty two billion. That would

1220
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: be almost nearly one hundred billion dollar increase in what

1221
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: just five years. That's a lot of money, a lot

1222
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: of money. It seems easy to cut, there, isn't it.

1223
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: And if Biden were smart and he would lean into this.

1224
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: And you are seeing the Biden campaign hitting Trump on this,

1225
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: and you've actually seen the Trump campaign. One of their

1226
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: responses was they tweeted out an article of mind that

1227
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 3: I wrote in twenty twenty that said that said that

1228
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: Joe Biden has been trying to cut Social Security for

1229
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: forty years, and it's true he was, but he is

1230
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 3: a politician. He saw which way the wind is blowing.

1231
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: There are now about two hundred and ten Democrats who

1232
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: have signed on to a Social Security expansion bill in

1233
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: the House of Representatives. Nancy Pelosi kept it off the

1234
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: floor because she is at heart and Austerian and wouldn't

1235
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: it Probably would have passed if she would just put

1236
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: it on the floor. John Larson's bill, that's political gold

1237
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 3: for Democrats.

1238
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: No, not only we kind of expansion. What does it do?

1239
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: It means like on the lower end fifty percent and

1240
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 3: below would get actually more Social Security in their checks.

1241
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: And then it closes some of the tax loopholes in

1242
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 3: order to make and it makes it sustainable for like

1243
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: another fifty seventy five years. But people like Ben Shapiro

1244
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: would have to pay more in and so people like

1245
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro would rather be cut and you just keep working.

1246
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: But he trying to pretend he's actually doing it for

1247
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: your own good because spiritually and psychically he's just nervous

1248
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: about your soul.

1249
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: Well, this is crazy. So I didn't even realize this.

1250
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: The average solid security benefit in twenty twenty three is

1251
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred dollars a month.

1252
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: Right, I don't even know he's to riv we're even

1253
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: going to get yeah, right, where can you.

1254
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: Even pay rent on seventeen nards? I mean I get

1255
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: in a medium to high cost of living area. That's

1256
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: going to be stretching it. That's really tough. You better

1257
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: live in a rural place if you want to make it.

1258
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: Which then it's hard to get around. Yeah. The whole

1259
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: thing is people are screwed.

1260
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: You can't. There's no way you're making a car payment

1261
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: on seventeen hundred dollars with all those other things too.

1262
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: That's another thing. Let me just advocate or buy your house,

1263
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: make sure you pay off your mortgage, just make sure

1264
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: you have retirement.

1265
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: It's another.

1266
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: And this is something that doesn't get talked about enough

1267
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 3: in the squeeze on the economy. So many people our

1268
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: age are helping their parents out.

1269
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: That's true, that's really unfortunate. Well, look as you can

1270
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: see you do it because you know we're not talking

1271
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: about the right thing to do. But it hurts these

1272
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: people are I'm not living a large what is it

1273
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: high on the hog is that they're not living high

1274
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: on the hog. Here we're talking about seventeen eighteen hundred

1275
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: bucks for an average check. Let's say a married household,

1276
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: that's still only thirty six hundred. I mean, that's thirty

1277
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: What is that thirty six hundred, it's like forty grand

1278
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: or something like that after tax. That's below the average

1279
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: income actually for a household in the United States. So

1280
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: just reminder, you know, and remember what realist program is,

1281
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: what the implications of all of that would look like.

1282
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: I understand, you know, you know, people don't want to

1283
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: pay or think it's unfair and all that, And I

1284
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: think there's still a lot we could do in terms

1285
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: of making the Social Security benefits actually go a lot

1286
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: farther and gives people some optionality. But the program itself

1287
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent gold and it should stay where

1288
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: it is. This has got to be the funniest story

1289
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: of all time because everyone involved looks terrible, which is

1290
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: why basic So we'd previously brought everybody the news. Don

1291
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: Lemon fired by CNN for what did he say? That women?

1292
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: Women aren't in their prime like in terms of their

1293
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: worthy He said women are only in prime during their

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Speaker 1: birthing name. Oh yeah, something only a gay man could

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Speaker 1: ever think to.

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Speaker 2: Say, get the final straw for him.

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Speaker 1: After years of just psychotic behavior there over at CNN, well,

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Speaker 1: he decided to sign a program, sign a deal with

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Speaker 1: X with Elon Musk side where well, get to that say,

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01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: agreed to a program where he would broadcast in partnership

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Speaker 1: on X formerly known as Twitter the way that Tucker

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Speaker 1: Carlson does right now, while also simultaneously posting elsewhere. He

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Speaker 1: was going to get paid tens of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: As the broadcast actually was set to debut on March eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: he decided his first interview would be with Elon Musk. Now,

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Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what happened in the interview, but

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Speaker 1: we do know that immediately after the interview, Elon canceled

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Speaker 1: his entire contract. Here's what Don had to say immediately afterwards.

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Speaker 9: Hi, everyone, Elon Musk is mad at me, and I

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Speaker 9: just put out a statement about what happened between him,

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Speaker 9: me and the interview that he is apparently so upset about.

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Speaker 9: So speaking of free speech, right, I thought the first

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Speaker 9: person interview no brainer. Elon Musk, the man who calls

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Speaker 9: himself a free speech absolutist.

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Speaker 2: I asked him to do it. He willingly agreed to

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Speaker 2: the interview.

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Speaker 10: Throughout our conversation, I kept reiterating to him that although

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Speaker 10: it was tense at times, I thought it was good

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01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 10: for people to see and hear our exchange and that

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Speaker 10: they would learn from our conversation, learn more about him,

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Speaker 10: learn more about me. But apparently Freespeech's absolutism doesn't apply

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Speaker 10: when it comes to questions about him from people like me,

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Speaker 10: What did we talk about?

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Speaker 2: Why is he so upset?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Interesting? So what did they talk about? It turns

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Speaker 1: out Ryan some of this stems back to questions that

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Speaker 1: Don asked Elon about ketamine drug use. He played some

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Speaker 1: of these clips last night on CNN, ironically running to

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Speaker 1: his former employer the moment that he needs a little

1330
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Speaker 1: bit of airtime. Let's take a listen. You talk about

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Speaker 1: your kettemine use and depression hip.

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Speaker 6: You also have said and.

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Speaker 2: The reason I should say like like.

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Speaker 11: The reason I mentioned the academic prescription on the X

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01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 11: platform was because I thought maybe this is something that

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Speaker 11: can help other people.

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Speaker 6: That's why I mentioned it.

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Speaker 11: I'm not a doctor, but I would say if someone

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Speaker 11: has depression issues, they should consider talking to the doctor

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Speaker 11: about academy instead of SSRIs.

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Speaker 12: Do you believe that X and you have some responsibility

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01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 12: to moderate hate speech on the platform, that you wouldn't

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Speaker 12: have to answer these questions from reporters about the Great Replacement.

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Speaker 6: Theory as a release.

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Speaker 12: I don't have to answer this great Replacement theory as

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Speaker 12: it relates to Jewish people.

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Speaker 11: Do you think that I don't have to answer questions

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Speaker 11: from requorters? The only reason I'm doing this interview is

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Speaker 11: because you're on the X platform and you ask for it.

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Speaker 11: Otherwise I would not.

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Speaker 12: Do interview with this interview, So you don't think do

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01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 12: you think that you wouldn't get in trouble or you

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01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 12: wouldn't be.

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Speaker 6: Criticized for these things criticized? Possibly I could care less.

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Speaker 1: So that's it. That apparently that's what did it. Immediately

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Speaker 1: after let's put this up there on the screen, immediately

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Speaker 1: after Ryan of the conclusion of this interview, Elon texted

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Speaker 1: Don Lemon's representatives and just simply said contract canceled. Don's

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01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: lawyers have since responded saying that they will be suing

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Speaker 1: X for the payments that he is due. They put

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Speaker 1: out a statement, let's put that up there please, says

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Speaker 1: they cancel the partnership, etc. Etc. The interview will still air,

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Speaker 1: it'll be on YouTube, podcast, it'll still broadcast on X.

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Speaker 1: But it turns out Ryan that there actually was no

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Speaker 1: signed contract between Don Lemon and between Elon and any

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Speaker 1: of this went up, and that it will be I

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Speaker 1: mean again, if you only verbally agreed to something, you

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Speaker 1: didn't sign anything. Elon does appear to be within his

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01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: rights to cancel your ass. So what have we learned

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Speaker 1: about this? Elon incredibly thin skinned, literally canceled somebody for

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Speaker 1: a single interview, which is like, I mean, let's look,

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Speaker 1: I hate down Lemon. That was not adversarial at all.

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Speaker 1: I watch a full interview. We'll see. But if you

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: really can't take that, come on dude, And then on Don,

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Speaker 1: how did you ever expect this to play out? Bro? Yeah?

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01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: Like what did you think?

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Speaker 3: Tara Swisher, who broke the news, said she told him

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01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: we had old Don Lemon.

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Speaker 2: Pick Kara Swishers sweet up her.

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Speaker 3: She's like, look, I told Don Lemon this is exactly

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 3: how this would end. He is the I mean, billionaires

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01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: are all thin skinned, and something about being in a

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01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: billionaire I think makes you more thin skin because you're

1384
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 3: just around people who are kissing up to you constantly

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Speaker 3: because they want your access to your wealth. And so

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 3: then when you get even this slightest whiff of somebody

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Speaker 3: not kissing your butt, it you.

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Speaker 2: Can't handle it anymore.

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Speaker 3: And so I would assume I don't know if Elon's

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Speaker 3: always been this thin skinned, but living the life he's

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Speaker 3: lived for the last ten twenty years I think helps

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Speaker 3: to produce that in people. But yeah, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: whole the whole thing is is utterly hilarious. Although on

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Speaker 3: both of those questions, I was kind of on Elon's side.

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Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I think his I think his drug

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Speaker 3: use beyond ketamine is an interesting thing to explore for

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Speaker 3: his investors and for other people.

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Speaker 2: On the question of ketamine.

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Speaker 3: If he's got a prescription for ketamine and he is

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Speaker 3: telling people that if you're suffering from depression, anxiety, something else,

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Speaker 3: ask your doctor about ketamine as an alternative SSR.

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Speaker 2: Good for him, I think that is.

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Speaker 3: And as he said, he's not a doctor, He's not

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Speaker 3: prescribing anything.

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Speaker 2: For you, but you should.

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01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: You should be aware of this possibility that that SSRIs

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01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 3: you know, might not be the path out of the

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01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: whatever whatever problems you have at the moment, and that ketamine.

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Speaker 2: Might be a better alternative. Talk to your doctor about it.

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Speaker 3: Good for him that, Like, we'll see what the rest

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Speaker 3: of the interview comes up with.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't that adversarial.

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Speaker 3: But also from Elon's perspective, that's like, come on, this

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01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 3: you can't you can't handle a tiny bit of that.

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Speaker 3: We can let like I said, we let the contract

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: one oh one people in the comment sections sort out

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 3: whether that whether this is is binding, where it's binding,

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: and like it seems like they're just hoping that the musk,

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01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: that the musk will say, all right, here's here's a time,

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Speaker 3: here's a percentage, like to end this in this court battle.

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Speaker 1: May be right, I don't know. That said, he's a

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01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: very rich man and he's also very petty. Right, I

1423
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: will earn the whole cost of earned, which, look, I

1424
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: will be honest. That would be the most hilarious outcome

1425
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: of all this is Lemon being broke and also Elon

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01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: being revealed for who he is.

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Speaker 2: But what was Elon thinking that?

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01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: So we have Elon's response. Let's put Elon's response. He

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01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: says his approach was basically just CNN but on social media,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't work, as evidenced by the fact that CNN

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01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: is dying, and instead of it being the real Don Lemon,

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01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: it was really just Jeff Zucker talking through Don, so

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Speaker 1: it lacked authenticity. All this said, Lemon and Zucker are

1434
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: of course welcome to build their viewership on this platform

1435
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: along with everyone else. I do see a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a problem with this is if you thought Don

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01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: Lemon was just Jeff Zucker thrucking drew down, then why

1438
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: did you hire him? He says, instead of being the

1439
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: real there's no real Don Lemon. He's a sociopath. He

1440
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: doesn't believe anything, as Crystal. Crystal was so so on

1441
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: point whenever she was like, he's gonna pivot back to

1442
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: being a right winger as he was. Remember he had

1443
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: that home monolog where he's like, what did he says

1444
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 1: like black men, pull up your pants? He's like active

1445
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: decorum or something like That's he doesn't believe anything. He

1446
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: was that guy. Then he was a resistant star, and

1447
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: then he was the morning show misogynist, and now he's

1448
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: a free speech Absolutely. Don doesn't believe in free speech.

1449
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: He advocated for trumping band off of Twitter in the

1450
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: first place. He's a chameleon like Chris Cuomo. All these

1451
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: guys want to be as relevant and rich and so

1452
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: obviously Elon should have seen him through that. But he's

1453
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: the one who wanted to pay him in the first place.

1454
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: And then apparently Ryan, they were touting the crap out

1455
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Speaker 1: of this deal to all of their advertisers, being like, see,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have Don Lemon here on the platform. It's

1457
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,879
Speaker 1: not just yeah, not just bad people, not just Tucker Carlson,

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01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: it's also Don and then boom, it's like, come on.

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Speaker 2: What do we Yeah, there's two ways of putting it.

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01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 3: Either there is no real Don Lemon or this is

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 3: the real Don Lemon. And in either case, yeah, why

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 3: would you come on? Elon Musk, Right, who did you

1463
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 3: think you were getting?

1464
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: This? Is you hired?

1465
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: You hired Don Lemon and you got Don Lemon? Right?

1466
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well is that who did you think his audience was?

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01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, the deal never made sense from the beginning, like

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Speaker 3: who are the Don Lemon stands?

1469
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: Like Don Lemon's ratings at near the end of his tenure,

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Speaker 1: we're like four hundred thousand people in total.

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Speaker 3: Maybe like they're all watching CNN and then watching Boom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, there's like maybe sixty k in the key demographic.

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Speaker 1: It was just insanity that this was like a play

1474
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: in the first place. So look, yeah, it's hilarious. There's

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01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: not much else to say, I think about it. Everybody

1476
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: involved just comes out looking bad, and uh it's We

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Speaker 1: will continue to keep everybody updated on the contract machinations.

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01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: We have a great guest standing by though, Ryan dan Foote.

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01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about him and then we'll

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: get to him.

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 3: Dan foot was the Biden's envoy to Haiti and he

1482
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 3: resigned in protest a couple of years ago, and in

1483
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 3: his protest letter he forecast what would happen if Biden

1484
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 3: did not change course in Haiti, and basically he's predicted

1485
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 3: everything from that day till this day.

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Speaker 1: Got it all right, Well, let's get to it. Let's

1487
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 1: hear from a man.

1488
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 3: The United States government is forming another government for Haiti

1489
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 3: in a hotel in Jamaica.

1490
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Speaker 2: We'll see how that works out.

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Speaker 3: To talk about this, we're going to be joined by

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Speaker 3: the Biden administration's former envoy to Haiti, Ambassador Daniel foot Ambassadorfoot,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us here.

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: Good Cazir, good morning, thanks for having from me.

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Speaker 3: So we wanted to start by getting your reaction to

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Speaker 3: Secretary of State Anthony B. Lincoln's comments yesterday, which come

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Speaker 3: after his effort to kind of put together this transitional

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Speaker 3: government on behalf of the Haitian people, but for the

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Speaker 3: Haitian people. Let's roll a little bit of the Secretary

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Speaker 3: of State here.

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Speaker 7: I was in Jamaica just a couple of days ago

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01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 7: with all of the countries from the Caribbean, Cara COM

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01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 7: with other partners, including Canada, including France, including Mexico, all

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01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 7: of this in support of Haitian led efforts to find

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Speaker 7: a political path forward, to get to a political transition.

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Speaker 7: And that's exactly what was agreed the other day the

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Speaker 7: Prime minister. Prime Minister already stepped down along with his government.

1508
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 7: A transitional Presidential Council or college as they call it.

1509
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 7: It's being stood up. It's inclusive. It brings together most

1510
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 7: of the major parties in Haiti, as well as other

1511
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 7: stakeholders like the private sector, like the interfaith community, to

1512
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 7: choose a new Prime minister and interim prime Minister, to

1513
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 7: establish a nas Security Council and to put in place

1514
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 7: an electoral commission that creates the pathway the transition to

1515
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 7: elections and to a constitutionally mandated government.

1516
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: Now, what struck me about the creation of this quote

1517
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,919
Speaker 3: unquote transitional government that the US is creating in Jamaica

1518
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 3: for Haiti is that one of the requirements to be

1519
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,839
Speaker 3: part of this transitional government is that they must agree

1520
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 3: to allow in a un quote unquote kind of peacekeeping

1521
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 3: force which would be made up of Kenyan mercenaries funded

1522
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 3: by the United States, which the United States then says,

1523
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 3: means that the troops are there at the invitation of

1524
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 3: the Haitian government, if you can follow that kind of

1525
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 3: NASCAR circular logic there for a moment. So what was

1526
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: your reaction to the Secretary of States remarks yesterday.

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01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 13: I'm flabbergasted, Ryan, that the hypocrisy in the naive de

1528
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 13: tay continues, and it's startling.

1529
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 6: You just heard.

1530
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 13: Tony say that he mentioned what ten different countries there

1531
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 13: that were there figuring out the way forward. One country

1532
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 13: that was absent in that list is Haiti. And what

1533
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 13: they're doing is trying to pull a solution out of thing,

1534
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 13: but make it look like the Haitian led solution. The

1535
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 13: international community chose seven people representing seven sectors, including the

1536
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 13: failed government of the past fourteen years, which the Haitians

1537
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 13: won't accept, and then they want these seven people to

1538
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 13: name a government.

1539
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 6: They gave them twenty four hours.

1540
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 13: But it appears to be fungible because that's gone on

1541
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 13: about seventy two hours now. I quit thirty months ago

1542
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 13: to try and get the right solution for Haiti, to

1543
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 13: continue to work with the Haitians. I've been channeling the

1544
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 13: Haitians boys for a long time.

1545
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 6: And if the.

1546
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 13: US insists on pulling a solution out of thin air,

1547
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 13: saying it's a Haitian led solution and making the Haitians

1548
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 13: follow that, we haven't seen anything yet in Haiti. The

1549
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 13: people are not going to put up with this. And

1550
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 13: the violence or less ten days is just a little

1551
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 13: bit of a tease for what I have to see.

1552
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: Wow, for people who haven't been following this for that long,

1553
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 3: can you talk a little bit about you know why

1554
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 3: you resigned and under what conditions?

1555
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 6: Sure so, as most people know.

1556
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,839
Speaker 13: In July twenty one, President Joel No Moys of Haiti

1557
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 13: was assassinated in his bedroom by foreigners, which kind of

1558
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 13: hurt the Haitians feelings. They're upset, they're embarrassed. Their sovereignty

1559
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 13: has been overcome many times throughout history. And ten days

1560
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 13: after that, so the guy who was the acting Prime

1561
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 13: minister at the time stepped forward said, okay, I'm in charge,

1562
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 13: despite the fact it was not constitutional. There was nothing

1563
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 13: constitutional or constitution bro the US and the international community.

1564
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 13: Ten days after the assassination named Ariel Enria the acting

1565
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 13: Prime minister via press conference. Despite my im the Haitians

1566
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 13: loud protestations and at the time said this will not

1567
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 13: work even if the guy manages to hold elections, that

1568
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 13: people won't accept them. Now we're at the same point.

1569
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 13: He aligned with the gangs, did nothing for two and

1570
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 13: a half years, hat he's gotten much worse, much worse

1571
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 13: the Americans and support them the whole time. Finally, the

1572
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 13: Haitians stood up when he went out of the country

1573
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 13: and the gangs were part of it, but the entire

1574
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 13: country is united and said no more of this guy.

1575
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,919
Speaker 6: Wouldn't let him come back. At that point, the internationals panicked.

1576
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 13: Haiti's been a failed state and it hasn't been in

1577
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 13: the control of anybody for the last thirty two months.

1578
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 13: This guy can't get back in the country, and the

1579
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 13: US all of a sudden needs to jam a solution

1580
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 13: in the Haitian people's ear that includes a military intervention

1581
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 13: that they need. But it won't work unless it's in

1582
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 13: support of the Haitians way forward, not Tony Blincoln's and

1583
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 13: the Mexicans and the EU and Canada and blah blah blah.

1584
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 6: The Haitians.

1585
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 13: And this is just another example of the them meddling

1586
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 13: and installing white anointed government, a white conceived government, and

1587
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 13: it's going to fail.

1588
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 6: And I'm telling you that.

1589
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 13: Haitians have dealt with at least five US political interventions

1590
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 13: in the last one hundred and nine years.

1591
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 6: They're not going to put up with a six.

1592
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 13: And I'm telling you the violence you've seen is nothing

1593
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 13: compared to what you will see if they've tried to

1594
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 13: ram another prime minister that's illegitimate up the shorts of

1595
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 13: the Haitian peak.

1596
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Inmvesador, maybe you could lay that out for us, sir,

1597
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: about some of the consequences we've already seen, like widespread

1598
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: gang violence. We previously had a guest on our show

1599
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: who said that some of that could be coming down

1600
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: as they anticipate maybe their potential roles in a future government.

1601
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: You seem to be predicting that this is not going

1602
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: to call that violence at all. Maybe lay some of

1603
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: that out for us.

1604
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 13: Everyone has sort of been united for the past thirty

1605
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 13: months that Henri can't do it. He needs to go. Hey,

1606
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 13: he needs somebody else. The gangs were kind of cool,

1607
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 13: you know. The gangs just went about their business for

1608
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 13: quite a period.

1609
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 6: Ariel was paying them, they were not doing stuff.

1610
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 13: He stopped paying them, He removed some feudal subsidies, which

1611
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 13: hurt their revenues. He left the country. The gangs turned

1612
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 13: against him. Now, I believe if the US just doesn't

1613
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,919
Speaker 13: do anything stupid and gives Haitian society a little space,

1614
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 13: that they're going to come together and reach a similar

1615
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 13: political consensus as they had two years ago, which the

1616
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 13: US and international community ignored, upon which they can build

1617
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 13: a solid political foundation, and the Haitian people who will

1618
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 13: be represented in this may be able to trust eventual elections.

1619
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 6: That's the goal here, that.

1620
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 13: The Haitian people can trust eventual elections, not that we

1621
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 13: can hold elections.

1622
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:53,879
Speaker 6: That's easy.

1623
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 13: They held them in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen and

1624
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 13: neither one work.

1625
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 6: So they need to.

1626
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 13: Trust the elections or we're rushing to failure. And that's

1627
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 13: exactly what we're doing. You see, Secretary blink And thinks

1628
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 13: elections is the magic pill, and it's not. If the

1629
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 13: Haesian people don't feel they're part of it and they

1630
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 13: don't accept the results of the election, we're going to

1631
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 13: be right where we are now and worse.

1632
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 3: The wild card here seems to be the figure of

1633
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 3: gif Philip, this extraordinarily controversial figure who was played a

1634
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 3: leading role in the ouster of Aristide in two thousand

1635
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 3: and four, later elected to the Senate. Before he could

1636
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 3: take off in the Senate, the US kind of renditioned

1637
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,839
Speaker 3: him over here and locked him up for money laundering

1638
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 3: charges related to drug trafficking for about six years. Now

1639
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 3: he's back, and he seems to be on the ground

1640
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 3: in Haiti speaking this kind of revolutionary language, this language

1641
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 3: of kind of Haitian sovereignty and dignity that is resonating

1642
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 3: with people. I think a lot of people probably don't

1643
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 3: believe that he's necessarily earnest about the rhetoric that he's using,

1644
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 3: but at least he's saying it, and at least he's

1645
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 3: in Haiti. But I'm curious from your perspective, how popular

1646
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 3: is is g Philippe and is there a world that

1647
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 3: he actually ends up taking power as a result of

1648
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 3: the ability of the gangs and others to just keep

1649
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 3: out anybody who is installed kind of from Jamaica, because

1650
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 3: like getting from Jamaica to Haiti, you know, is still

1651
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 3: something that they have to pull off if they're going

1652
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 3: to install a government.

1653
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,759
Speaker 13: Oh, don't worry about the Haitians. Weren't invited to Jamaica.

1654
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 13: They're still in Haiti. So if they set up the

1655
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 13: government are there. They weren't even invited to set.

1656
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 6: Up the.

1657
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: Right true, So what about the Philippe.

1658
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 13: Gee has always been able to mobilize a lot of

1659
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 13: people and hands pretty broad constituency in Haiti because people

1660
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 13: think he kind of tells the truth. He's been involved

1661
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 13: in heavy trafficking. He just completed a seven year sentence

1662
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 13: in the States for money laundering because they weren't unable

1663
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 13: to come up with the evidence to get them on

1664
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 13: what they really thought they had for and they sent

1665
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 13: him back. Part of me scratches my head and said

1666
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 13: is there a scheme going on? Why would they send

1667
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 13: him back at this point in time. But we'll just

1668
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 13: ignore that.

1669
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 6: And Ghee was.

1670
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 13: A member of the former Haitian army, which we forced

1671
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 13: to President Risty to dissolve in nineteen ninety four. There's

1672
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 13: still about four thousand of these old buggers running around

1673
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,520
Speaker 13: the hill. Say hey, they have weapons, they can mobilize.

1674
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 6: They're old.

1675
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 13: The weapons are old. But if they align with the gangs,

1676
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,480
Speaker 13: and Gi philipp and Moijean Charles, who is a communist

1677
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 13: politician from up north, is part of Gi Pheleiep's thing.

1678
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 13: If we're because of the anarchy that's going on now,

1679
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 13: if we inject another bonehead move puppet into the Haitian

1680
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,839
Speaker 13: ronment right right now, it's very possible at Keith, Felipe, Moyjeon,

1681
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 13: Charles or Barbecue might wind up taking power. However, if

1682
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 13: we give them time and space, the gangs have already

1683
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 13: quieted down. You notice that haven't shaped Riel step down.

1684
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 13: They quiet down. They stopped breaking stuff because they were

1685
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 13: breaking stuff to tell Ril don't come back and tell

1686
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 13: the international community, don't put another puppet in. Well, Ril listens.

1687
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 13: So far, the internationals haven't so who knows what's going

1688
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 13: to come out of this. The key is it's Haitian led,

1689
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 13: and it's gonna be Haitian led one way or the other.

1690
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 13: If the US injects somebody in through this seven headed

1691
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 13: Hydra Presidential Council, the people will rise up and it'll

1692
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 13: be a Haitian led solution, or if we give them space,

1693
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 13: it'll be a Haitian led solution. And the revolutionary rhetoric

1694
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 13: is real. Gee is not coming up with that as

1695
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 13: the intellectual author. That's the feeling on the states, the fielder'

1696
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 13: on the streets, only on the street. Since we didn't

1697
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 13: finish the job in eighteen oh four, we've let the

1698
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 13: white people push us around the last two hundred and

1699
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 13: nine years, and at this point we're gonna finish the

1700
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 13: Haitian Revolution and be independent one way.

1701
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, sir. We really appreciate your analysis and

1702
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: your expertise, so thank you so much for.

1703
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 6: Joining us anytime.

1704
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, absolutely, thank you guys so much for watching Ryan.

1705
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate you man. Another revolution love, yeah, exactly, we need

1706
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: another revolution here, the last one. What are the best

1707
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: books you've ever read on Haitian Revolution?

1708
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 3: Black Spartacus was the most recent Dussan Lebatore biography. It's

1709
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 3: so much better than the previous ones, which painted him

1710
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 3: as like a megalomaniac, and like, you know, something did

1711
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 3: change in the in the historiography, in this or in

1712
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: the like the way the historians understood Tucsant that finally

1713
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 3: gives him some serious respect and dignity.

1714
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 2: So check out Black Spartacle.

1715
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: Here you go, all right, I'm gonna pick it up

1716
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: actually on your recommendation, So there you go, all right,

1717
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 1: We'll see you guys later.

1718
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 6: H