WEBVTT - We Grown Now

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<v Speaker 1>People may not like this, with everything that's going wrong

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<v Speaker 1>in your life is not your parents' fault.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you look at the lifespan of the

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<v Speaker 2>time that you spend in your parents' household, that's only

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<v Speaker 2>a small percentage of life. So at what point do

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<v Speaker 2>we start to take accountability?

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<v Speaker 3>Dead Ass?

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<v Speaker 1>It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest and straight

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<v Speaker 1>from the heart. Since then, we've gone on to become

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<v Speaker 1>Webby award winning podcasters in New York Times bestselling authors.

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<v Speaker 4>Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about our growth, a place where we could

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<v Speaker 2>be vulnerable, be.

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<v Speaker 1>Wraw or but most apportly be us.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do we,

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<v Speaker 2>and through it all, one thing has never changed. This

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<v Speaker 2>is ever after because we got a lot to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Story time time of conversation. Oh this story time is

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<v Speaker 1>a I guess it's a mutual story because this was

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<v Speaker 1>about three months ago. It it was about three months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything was happening with Dad. You had just got done

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<v Speaker 1>filming and Kadeen and I were sitting in a room

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<v Speaker 1>and we were having a discussion. It wasn't a heated discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a discussion about some things we can

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<v Speaker 1>do better for each other. Right while having this discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>Kay said to me, Yo, I just realized I've been

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<v Speaker 1>with you longer than i've lived in my parents' house.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>And we started doing the math and I'm like, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, We've been together twenty four years and you've

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<v Speaker 1>only lived with your parents for eighteen years. So now

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<v Speaker 1>we started looking at each other's like, at what point

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<v Speaker 1>do we start saying like the reason why we are

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<v Speaker 1>the way we are is because.

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<v Speaker 4>Of us, right, good or bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Good or bad? But it was in that moment we

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<v Speaker 1>looked at each other and was like, yo, you really

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a lot of time with your children. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we started to think about Jackson.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, yes, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when the tears started.

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<v Speaker 4>Just second, it's almost time, But not in.

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<v Speaker 1>That moment we're having a discussion. We realize that we've

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<v Speaker 1>already been together longer than we lived with our parents.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are who we are because of us, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to start doing things differently. All right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we didn't go nowhere, but you know, karaoke time

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<v Speaker 1>keeping in theme with MJ. This one is very near

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<v Speaker 1>and dear to my heart because my dad used to

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<v Speaker 1>sing the wrong words to this all the time, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make sure I sing them properly.

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<v Speaker 4>I love this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like one of the earliest memories and conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with your dad.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I'm going to sing this because this has

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<v Speaker 1>a direct correlation to what we talk about with parents

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<v Speaker 1>and how they shape who we are. You ready, then

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<v Speaker 1>the two of us need look normal.

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<v Speaker 3>We booth what we been looking for.

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<v Speaker 5>The friendicle man, I'll never be alone and learn my

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<v Speaker 5>friend will see you've got a friending me.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a friending me. Shout out to Ben and

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<v Speaker 1>my man Michael Jackson. The reason why I chose this

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<v Speaker 1>song is.

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<v Speaker 4>Because that's a song that came to mind with school.

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<v Speaker 3>Song.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wasn't it was the other one.

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<v Speaker 4>You and I must make a pet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was yeah. My father used to saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I were made for pair and I used

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, what song is that. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Michael Jackson. You know you and I were made

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<v Speaker 1>for pair two. I was like, that's not the.

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<v Speaker 3>World and that makes no sense, said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, like I said, you and I must make a pack.

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<v Speaker 1>We must bring Salvation back. He said, oh, that could

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<v Speaker 1>be it.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, I said, appear a couple two people in love.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, he had the whole reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>But I chose that song because the dialogue happening right

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<v Speaker 1>now in social media with Joe Jackson, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not necessarily split. Like there's a big contingent

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are understanding that, you know, Joe was abusive,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but there are people a lot of elderly

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<v Speaker 1>people who are just like That's how things were back then.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in the sixties and seventies, people ruled with

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<v Speaker 1>an iron fists. The way people punish their kids was

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<v Speaker 1>by giving them beatings and spanking right or even.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of necessity. Like you said, your grandmother used to

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<v Speaker 2>do with you, just to keep you safe.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandmother straight told me. Because I asked her once again,

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<v Speaker 1>this goes back to Josh and Matt telling me that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I used to just say things too much. I

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<v Speaker 1>asked her, why do we used to get hit for

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<v Speaker 1>doing kid things? Like if I spilled something, why do

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<v Speaker 1>I get hit for it? If I ask a question,

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<v Speaker 1>why do I get hit, and she said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where I came from, is it's my responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>to get you back home to your parents. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>she said. She said, you're coming down here to the

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<v Speaker 1>South to stay with me for eight weeks. Right when

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<v Speaker 1>I was growing up, if a young black man spoke

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<v Speaker 1>out of turn, looked at someone the wrong way, got loud,

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<v Speaker 1>or got boisterous, he could end up on a tree

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<v Speaker 1>and no one would care. And in her mind she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm going to prevent that so that this switch,

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<v Speaker 1>this flyshwatter, this belt set, whatever it is that I

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<v Speaker 1>have in my hand. If I think that whatever you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing can lead you down the road to destruction, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna pop you for it. And that's just how things

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<v Speaker 1>were back then. Of course we evolved as humans and

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<v Speaker 1>not I understand that, but I still love my grandmother

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<v Speaker 1>for raising me that way. Like you can't take away

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<v Speaker 1>like the beatings came with it. I got beat, my cousins,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and dad got beat. It doesn't make me

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<v Speaker 1>hate my parents. And part of the reason why there's

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<v Speaker 1>a discourse on social right now is because they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>was Joe just a person who beat his kids? What

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<v Speaker 1>about the person who taught his kids about business, taught

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<v Speaker 1>his kids about work, ethic and and love, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we never see those things of Joe? And

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<v Speaker 1>there's the continue that's like, well he was abusive, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all it is. And that one I wanted for that

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<v Speaker 1>reason to talk about. At what point do we stop

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<v Speaker 1>blaming our parents and start saying that, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>ask for grace as kids, when are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>give our parents the same grace?

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<v Speaker 4>A good question. All right, we'll dive into it. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do our op or no op, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll talk about all that.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, we'll be back.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back. We're going to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>trouble right now, real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of beatings and paddles, Josh, what you you I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's part of it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's part of a lot of organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm asking you because you're the only one that's

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<v Speaker 1>Greek delta. Oh you are a delta, that's right, But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't noticed it.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they?

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<v Speaker 7>Beat is a non hazing organization?

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<v Speaker 6>Is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't that way?

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<v Speaker 4>We was going to hospital blow nobody's spot.

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<v Speaker 6>It's always been like that it has.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's why they were not forgetting. It's not even

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<v Speaker 1>worth going. But I do want to ask the beating. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you said so there was no hazing going on.

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<v Speaker 6>No, we're not allowed to hate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's up though, that's actually what's up. I think

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<v Speaker 1>hazing is ship bro like in football. They used to

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<v Speaker 1>hate people in football. I never took part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I never You were never on the giver or receiving

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<v Speaker 4>end of.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're beating people and stuff like that. No taping

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<v Speaker 1>people lockers and stuff like that. Yeah, you could tape

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's lock.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Hazing now, I wasn't with physically harmful people. That's kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>Terrible, insane.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that was the easiest I've ever diverted that kind of.

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<v Speaker 6>Seriously.

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<v Speaker 7>Have y'all seen Drewski's latest skit. I haven't by the

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<v Speaker 7>time this episode comes out of a couple weeks off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he just did.

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<v Speaker 6>I heard it.

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<v Speaker 8>My wife was watching it, so I heard it, but

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't watch it. But I know he was talking.

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<v Speaker 4>About the floor after Erica Kirk I have.

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<v Speaker 3>He can't even talk about that.

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<v Speaker 7>She's sending cease and decision to anybody who mentions her

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<v Speaker 7>or her name in any way. There was a guy

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<v Speaker 7>on there's a guy on Instagram. He does like kind

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<v Speaker 7>of musical style songs that are funny, and he did

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<v Speaker 7>one about Erica Kirk where he said Erica Kirk stupidest

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<v Speaker 7>furk and they sent him.

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<v Speaker 3>A a ceason desist. But anyway, that's not what we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, We're talking about Drewski's latest skit where he plays

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<v Speaker 7>a character called Samson Dubois, a British actor who plays

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<v Speaker 7>black American roles. The first role that he portrayed was

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<v Speaker 7>enslave person.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're in the field.

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<v Speaker 7>He's talking to who I would assumes his wife, and

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<v Speaker 7>his wife was like, you said, you're gonna get us

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<v Speaker 7>out of here, and he's like, quit talking like that.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's the funniest ship I've ever seen. If Drewski

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<v Speaker 7>is an anthropologist, at this point, he is documenting American

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<v Speaker 7>history and.

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<v Speaker 3>He's doing such a great job.

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<v Speaker 7>Also, I wanted to point out he must have an

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<v Speaker 7>enormous budget for these budgets.

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<v Speaker 3>For them, He's got a sound studio.

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<v Speaker 8>NASCAR stuff. There's no way that budget.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. I will say this though, shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>drew Ski, but also shout out to Robert Townsend, who

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<v Speaker 1>was the first one to talk about British actors taking

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<v Speaker 1>American black actors' roles, and he literally did the same

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<v Speaker 1>exact skit where he was talking about at this time

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<v Speaker 1>it was different. He was like, they teach you how

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<v Speaker 1>to speak jive and he had the funny thing is

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<v Speaker 1>he had white teachers teaching black British actors how to

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<v Speaker 1>speak Black American jib, and that, to me was the

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<v Speaker 1>comedy is that, wait a minute, so you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have black people teaching black British black actors how to

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<v Speaker 1>speak jive. You have white people teaching black British actors

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<v Speaker 1>how to speak jib. And it was like, what's up,

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<v Speaker 1>job when you're coming around here these sparks job tricky

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like, dang, Like here we are thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years later and it's the same exact ding, same exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 7>The part that stood out to me the most was

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<v Speaker 7>the very last thing he said, yes, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 7>do you think you're better than people?

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, what people? Black people?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Because this is a black man. So I thought that

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<v Speaker 7>was funny. I think he's brilliant, But what did the

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<v Speaker 7>rest of y'all think?

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<v Speaker 8>I thought, I love I want to see him and

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<v Speaker 8>David Chappelle collapse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen the video, but I did pumping to

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Ski on a flight back home from somewhere I

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<v Speaker 2>forget where I was coming from, and I literally didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see him sitting there behind me, but I picked up

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<v Speaker 2>my phone to FaceTime you I think it was, and

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<v Speaker 2>he put I saw somebody put their face in my

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<v Speaker 2>camera from behind me, and I was like, and I

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<v Speaker 2>looked behind, I'm like, d.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like it was just the funniest thing. But he

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<v Speaker 4>was just being himself in that moment. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>can I call my son real quick? I became that

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<v Speaker 4>person because people would meet us and be like, can

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<v Speaker 4>I call my moham real quick?

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<v Speaker 2>To facetimer, So I was like, Drew, I called myself.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like him call them And the FaceTime with Jackson.

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<v Speaker 4>Jackson's like, Mom, You're the.

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<v Speaker 3>Goat for them.

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<v Speaker 4>So many goat moments as a mother. Juicy Steph Curry.

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<v Speaker 2>Met him at Draymond Greens whatever you met. I met

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson back in the day.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow lost the autograph.

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<v Speaker 4>I lost it. We found out, we found it. I

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<v Speaker 4>have it and where mom found it?

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<v Speaker 6>Somewhere to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, me and me found it to go.

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<v Speaker 7>I will say that if I was straight, Drew Ski

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<v Speaker 7>is my type.

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<v Speaker 4>I love a.

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<v Speaker 3>Big, silly ass dude. I could see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love.

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<v Speaker 1>Big Teddy.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to say the same thing. I can

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<v Speaker 4>see because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to cook, Come on trip, come over.

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<v Speaker 3>To the.

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<v Speaker 7>I wish I could, but as soon as I smell

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<v Speaker 7>a man, I'd be like, that's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>Get the funk away from me.

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<v Speaker 1>He can wear perfume, it's not gonna work.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the pheromones.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's the second thing. Somebody sent me this video last

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<v Speaker 7>night of this creator who had found the CEO of

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<v Speaker 7>the Heritage Foundation and Project twenty twenty five. He got

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<v Speaker 7>his pH d in history with a focus on African

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<v Speaker 7>American history, and he wrote his dissertation about the evolution

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<v Speaker 7>of Atlantic World identities, slaves and slavery in Louisiana, where

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<v Speaker 7>he focused on how slaves in Louisiana managed descent, their

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<v Speaker 7>family structures, and how they the role of the Catholic

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<v Speaker 7>Church in their descent and in families. Something interesting that

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<v Speaker 7>I found in his dissertation is how he had found

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<v Speaker 7>that enslaved families were matrofocal, or their communities were matrofocal,

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<v Speaker 7>meaning that the women were kind of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Focal point in the communities.

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<v Speaker 7>And that is probably because of the same reason that

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<v Speaker 7>black families are matrifocal now is because men are often

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<v Speaker 7>taken away, sold off, killed, you know, imprisoned.

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<v Speaker 3>But the bigger thing here is how.

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<v Speaker 7>This research directly affects projects between twenty five and the

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<v Speaker 7>goals of the Heritage Foundation, the Radical Rights, the Christian

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<v Speaker 7>Evangelists movement. Yeah, so I'm wondering what do you all think,

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<v Speaker 7>because my opinion it's kind of I can't really form

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<v Speaker 7>a complete idea of how I think these things relate.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm wanting to know what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how I think these things relate. Right, You

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<v Speaker 1>ever see the meme that says, why are they so

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<v Speaker 1>interested in us? Why are white supremacists? And now I

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<v Speaker 1>have to be clear with white supremacists, not all white people,

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacists, why are they so involved in what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the black community? The only way you can disenfranchise

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<v Speaker 1>and marginalize people is if you know and you study them.

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<v Speaker 1>He graduated with a focus in African American studies so

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<v Speaker 1>that he can take a part the Civil Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the whole focus. All right, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>my This is how I'm able to come to terms

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<v Speaker 1>with what goes on with white supremacists. Not all white people.

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<v Speaker 1>White supremacists thrive off of having that power. Right, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a black supremacist, do you want to give power

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<v Speaker 1>away to anybody? No? So if you're a white supremacist

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<v Speaker 1>and you have the power, your goal is to now

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<v Speaker 1>do what make sure that my kids stay in the

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<v Speaker 1>same power that I have, and then my kids kids.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're seeing now. We're watching a group of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and all white people are not all white supremacists, but

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<v Speaker 1>the white supremacists who are in charge of what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on now are utilizing the laws of the land, utilizing

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution, and utilizing any trick in the book that

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<v Speaker 1>they can to take resources from us. That's what they've

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<v Speaker 1>always done. Like, this is not a new playbook, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not this is what they've always done. I think us

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<v Speaker 1>as black people have to start utilizing the same playbook

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<v Speaker 1>we have to you know, how to Back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>they said, why would you ever sit down and speak

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<v Speaker 1>to a white supremacist. You sit down and speak to

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<v Speaker 1>them to understand where their mentality is coming from. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you planning? They told us what Project twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five was, and so many people just disregarded it as

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<v Speaker 1>not real. And now we're watching every single thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they said they were going to do. They're dismantling their watching,

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing it. They're giving us the information. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know what we should do, get the playbook so that

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<v Speaker 1>we can fight against it. Yeah, and I'm not just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about black pantol about old people, because not everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is a white supremacist now.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, However, one part of this that this creator pointed

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<v Speaker 7>out was how these enslaved people managed to rally around descent.

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<v Speaker 7>So one way that they would get together and talk about,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, how to get free, basically is by going

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<v Speaker 7>to like town markets or having a dinner basically like

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<v Speaker 7>a cookout.

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody's not invited to the cookout.

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<v Speaker 7>And so what I thought about in terms of that

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<v Speaker 7>is how social media has invited everybody to the cookout.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to black descent. During the twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 7>Election cycle, there was a lot of uh like anti

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<v Speaker 7>Kamala Harris rhetoric happening, even though we all knew that

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<v Speaker 7>the only other alternative was Donald Trump. And to me,

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<v Speaker 7>the reason why Kamala Harris didn't get elected is because

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<v Speaker 7>this Kamala Harris like descent spread like wildfire, because of

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<v Speaker 7>white leftists who do not have the same experience in

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<v Speaker 7>America as Black people, actually impoverished people, as marginalized people,

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<v Speaker 7>those people being so anti Kamala Harris absolutely and living

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<v Speaker 7>in a dream world about what would happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>if Kamala Harris didn't win, as if anybody else besides

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<v Speaker 7>Donald Trump could win. And so I think that that

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<v Speaker 7>is a huge part of Project twenty twenty five and

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<v Speaker 7>the goals of the Heritage Foundation and the Radical Right

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<v Speaker 7>is to allow the infiltration of other ideas into Black

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<v Speaker 7>descent using the Internet, using like anti black rhetoric, that

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<v Speaker 7>is guys as leftist ideals. I feel like that is

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<v Speaker 7>a huge, huge part of it in them, in them

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<v Speaker 7>trying to figure out how to dismantle black descent and

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<v Speaker 7>how to squash black descent a lot of that comes

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<v Speaker 7>into play.

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<v Speaker 1>What you just talked about is one hundred percent correct.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason how you squash black descent is by creating

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<v Speaker 1>little pockets amongst the black people and separating all black people. First,

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<v Speaker 1>you start by separating the family, right, you pull the

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<v Speaker 1>dads out of the house. Then you tell moms that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need fathers in the home. Then you tell

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<v Speaker 1>the dads that the moms said that they don't need

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<v Speaker 1>yelling at home, and you create dissension in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you've created dissension in the house, you create dissension

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<v Speaker 1>amongst the kids. Right. You get access through the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>through the moms, and then you start to indoctrinate the

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<v Speaker 1>kids through school.

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<v Speaker 4>The foundation, which should be the family.

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<v Speaker 1>And then once you separate those people, so now it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just black people, it's black men and women. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it's black LGBT, then it's black trands. Now there's now

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<v Speaker 1>there's black Christians, then there's black atheists. You create all

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<v Speaker 1>these different subgroups, you create dissension between them, and now

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<v Speaker 1>once it comes time for us to band together, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>how could I How could I band with her? She's

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<v Speaker 1>an atheist? You know what I'm saying he's he's LGBTQ,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't believe in science, just like guys. You realize

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<v Speaker 1>that all they're trying to do is weaken our voice

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<v Speaker 1>so that we don't have a vote, and it's working.

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<v Speaker 7>And somebody in the comments that this video made a

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<v Speaker 7>really great point that the black gender wars that are

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<v Speaker 7>happening on social media are part of this plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely as It's so true because I even talked to

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<v Speaker 2>my sister and other people who I know who are

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<v Speaker 2>single in the dating feeling, just like, you know, guys

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<v Speaker 2>are doing this and black men are doing that, and

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<v Speaker 2>black women.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, where are y'all getting these from?

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you're living in real life, there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>people who I know, for example, that are eligible bachelors

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<v Speaker 2>and bachelorettes that are now fed this rhetoric. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, where are we looking to even like coexist

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<v Speaker 2>with each other just on social media?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, did you see the whole report about them

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<v Speaker 1>getting with the bots on Twitter and getting with the

0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:55.000
<v Speaker 1>bots and a lot of engaged in these The gender

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<v Speaker 1>wars weren't even from this country. There were accounts from

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<v Speaker 1>bots that weren't even here, which makes you realize that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bigger war against us that we're not even

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<v Speaker 1>aware of, and we have. And that's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why when we rebranded ELI sever after, we said

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to stop having those conversations. Because even when

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to have an intellectual conversation about the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between a man and a woman, they can clip up

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<v Speaker 1>your content and they'll take a clip fifteen seconds and

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<v Speaker 1>then add a title, and it puts someone talking over

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<v Speaker 1>your clip to frame it in a way that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>represent you well. And now here you are a person

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<v Speaker 1>that's anti woman or anti man. It was like that

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<v Speaker 1>was never mine and.

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<v Speaker 7>Then representing a whole community, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it gives a little bit ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>You just have to be able to see it and

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<v Speaker 1>spot it and say, you know what, I'm not engaging

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<v Speaker 1>in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, the younger generations are just so impressionable and all

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<v Speaker 2>they know is social media Bible.

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<v Speaker 9>It comes in abundance too. It isn't just a small pocket.

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<v Speaker 9>It is when daily you're hearing us.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had We've had a bunch of outlets reach out

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<v Speaker 1>to us to come speak on panels recently that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have historically in the past couple of years have

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<v Speaker 1>been known as a place you go to for gender wars,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just got to say, we won't go, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm not interested in doing that. We said that,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know and I think it was Josh had

0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.480
<v Speaker 1>said this or Matt. We were just doing some business

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<v Speaker 1>outside here and they were like, a social media should

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<v Speaker 1>get cut off at eleven PM. He should have an

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<v Speaker 1>age requirement, age requirement, you know, because it evolved into

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<v Speaker 1>something that no one likes anymore, but we still feel

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<v Speaker 1>a necessity to engage in it. And I think it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to point now where we have to be more

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<v Speaker 1>responsible and just saying I'm not doing that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that engaging in.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 9>I saw Tony Baker. He had a post this week

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<v Speaker 9>about a woman. She asks what she'd be a side

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<v Speaker 9>chick to an NBA player or a wife of a plumber,

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<v Speaker 9>and she was like, man, that's a hard decision.

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<v Speaker 6>What the craziest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But the crazy thing is he comes after and says,

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<v Speaker 1>she goes, that's a hard decision.

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<v Speaker 6>He says, everybody, just shut the fuck.

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<v Speaker 10>Everybody just shut the fuck saying that For like like

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<v Speaker 10>two weeks now, we start off with a gender role

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<v Speaker 10>clip and they'll be like, would you rather he like,

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<v Speaker 10>would you shut the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>The only way Tony can.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it He just did the first day cancel.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if you've been seeing on threads, but

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<v Speaker 7>people are like, first date canceled, and then they put like,

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<v Speaker 7>he you know, asked me to go Dutch or something

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<v Speaker 7>like that, and Tony Baker did first day canceled.

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<v Speaker 5>Shut the fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We love you for that, bro, Bro who love was

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<v Speaker 1>clipping this up and need to clip this stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>put me in the camera saying Tony Baker, Bro, you

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<v Speaker 1>the man for that bro. Everybody shut the fuck.

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<v Speaker 9>I think part of it is that he's mature enough

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<v Speaker 9>to c past the DS, yeah right, and everybody isn't

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<v Speaker 9>mature enough to see past that they are actually pitting

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<v Speaker 9>us against each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is I also think that some people don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how they convolute just from reality, right. So for example,

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you make jokes and it's like, man, my wife

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.400
<v Speaker 1>always do da da da da da, and then out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere it becomes he hates women. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>I was making a joke about my wife because this

0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>is something we I thought it'd be funny, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes a whole thing on social media where now

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<v Speaker 1>people are doing pieces about a joke you made about

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 1>your significant other, to the point where now it's like,

0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't even want to make no jokes

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<v Speaker 1>about the opposite sex because and they don't want to contah,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes out of context. It kind of like like

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<v Speaker 1>what I think it was Matt that said, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like it grew into something that we no longer want

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<v Speaker 1>to do anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not funny.

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 4>It's not fun anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we were just talking about this too, Like

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia Dean for example. I'm like, oh, and she and

0:23:57.800 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Concept love her music, and Devi I was like, I've

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 2>never heard any of from music and we're all like

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 2>what how did you never hear it? And he's like, well,

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 2>where do we find like new music now? Is it

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:07.520
<v Speaker 2>just TikTok trends or like people don't listen to the

0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>radio anymore like that? And I'm like, you have to

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 2>know her music and he was like I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>But that just goes to show if you're no longer

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<v Speaker 2>a consumer of social media. How else do you re

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 2>infiltrate yourself into society to like know what's going on.

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>It's almost as if you don't look on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>you won't know what I.

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Don't and I don't.

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<v Speaker 11>The smartphone is to contribute to the death of music

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 11>also because you just plug your phone in and then

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 11>you listen to whatever you want to listen to, versus

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:31.399
<v Speaker 11>turn the radio on.

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<v Speaker 4>True because I listened to old shit all the time.

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe my oldies playlist slat okay, and I've listening

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:38.560
<v Speaker 2>to old shit.

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<v Speaker 1>The funny thing is I had gotten some flak because

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:42.959
<v Speaker 1>I remember when Kendrick and Drake was going through they

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 1>beef and I did a podcast called We Sound Crazy,

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and they asked me, like, you know who side you

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.439
<v Speaker 1>wanted to beef? And I said, to be honest, I'm older,

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 1>like I'm forty years old. Kendrick and Drake aren't my

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.919
<v Speaker 1>first aren't my go tos? My first thing is I'm

0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna go to LL Boys, to men, bust A, Rhyme

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 1>jay Z. So I never and it was like, you

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 1>don't listen to music, and I'm like, I don't understand.

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I have an iPhone. I don't have to now go

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:10.679
<v Speaker 1>on my car and listen to what they're playing on

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the radio. I play my favorites. My favorites were all

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties. So and to your point, it's like

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the smartphone has really killed art in a lot of ways,

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>because now that they know that they can just send

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>you what you like to hear, you don't hear all

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of the other things that exist in the world. You

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>wonly here whatever raty career.

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<v Speaker 11>You not even just hearing I saw somebody post the

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 11>other day. Is like I got mad the fact that

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 11>I can go on my phone and see the top

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 11>of Mount Everest. Only a select amount of people in

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:42.159
<v Speaker 11>life are ever supposed to see this. I'll never have

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 11>the desire to go want to go do that thing.

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Now because I don't want to go anyway.

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 8>It's not just so.

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>What they're trying to say is like that's something that

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.120
<v Speaker 2>typically you have to attain a certain level of like.

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.679
<v Speaker 6>You got a game to get there, you.

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 9>Get there to do something, an experience, you could just

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 9>get satisfy.

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 8>Just satisfied. Oh I saw it in my virtual space.

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a fact.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't think about it in that way.

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's killing genuine human experience here. Think about you

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 1>want to see your favorite artists. You don't have to

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:19.719
<v Speaker 1>be in a rush to go see them. You can

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 1>watch the live stream of them, and it kind of

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>kills things in a way. You know.

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I said this early.

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to get back to a post

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>digital age very soon. I think in the next five

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>years we're going to get back to that analog time

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>where people are going to value seeing things live, like, nah,

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see it through your phone.

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.160
<v Speaker 4>I want to see it because it's exhausting.

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Like I went to an event a couple of days ago,

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 2>and everything in me was like, oh my god, think

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>you should be getting on this content.

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 4>But I was enjoying chatting.

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 2>With people, and before I knew it, the night was

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 2>over and I was looked back at my phone on

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the way home.

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 4>I was like, how was the event? And it was cool.

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:57.479
<v Speaker 4>I didn't have pictures, videos, did I even go, you know?

0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I made such great, genuine connections

0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>and that moment and then followed up through text messages

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>with the people who I met, because that, to me

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>is more value than just saying that I was there.

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>To post the content for everyone else to see.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I went to Houston like three weeks ago and

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 7>I hung out with my cousin one night. I went

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 7>to a party by myself the next night, and my

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:18.679
<v Speaker 7>cousin when I got back, she was like, are you

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 7>gonna make it real? Because if you don't all make one.

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 7>I was like, yeah, girl, I'm gonna make it tomorrow.

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 7>And I haven't made it yet, and I just but

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 7>I do keep thinking about how fun that I was,

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 7>but I.

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.439
<v Speaker 3>Haven't made it, Like I don't want to. I don't know.

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 7>It just takes away from the moment kind of you

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 7>know sometimes and I'm like, I didn't I don't even

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 7>have enough footage. I don't have enough time in a

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 7>minute and a half to explain to y'all how fucking

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 7>fun that trip was.

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Such a whole podcast right there has the digital space

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>taking a piece of life away from all of us.

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it definitely, you.

0:27:53.560 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 6>Know, like we discussed, willingly gave that up. Will did

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 6>all of that.

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>My thing is, did we know what we were giving up?

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 6>I don't think even a person who created this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it just it was like the biggest snowball effect

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 2>that we've ever seen. I think in our time, it

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 2>was Facebook at first like other college kids, and then

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, Instagram. You could just post pictures and

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>your friends keep up with you. Like I always say,

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 2>had I known what social media would be, I would

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 2>have never posted my children to begin with and my

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>family story because.

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.199
<v Speaker 4>I had no idea it was going to blow up

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 4>into this.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm grateful for where we are because of it,

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 2>and thank god we've been okay.

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:32.159
<v Speaker 4>But it's crazy.

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Now. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta agree with you.

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 3>You know, though, where did I go?

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 7>I went somewhere recently where I was getting recognized from

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 7>the podcast, and I was like, damn.

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 3>It was like four people.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 7>Was like, oh, I know you from some of the

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 7>podcasts you want to podcast Trouble Like some people it

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 7>was the podcast Fast.

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Some people.

0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It was the most Trouble Story.

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 8>I don't know what I was podcast podcast.

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 4>They know me from the podcast.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 9>Just now She's like, oh, somebody somebody recognized Michael Jordan

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 9>from from basketball.

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>It was cool. But I also met the girl who

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 3>made my fan page. That was cool. It's called trips

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 3>dot b s P.

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 7>It used to be me and Kadeen and then from

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 7>when we did that episode, and then it was yeah,

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 7>so that's that's a that's an okay part of the internet,

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 7>but that's also sucks. I was thinking about how people

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 7>who are actually famous people just walk up to you

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 7>and say your name like they know you, because I

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 7>was like several times I was just like.

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Huh do I know, because I'll be forgetting people.

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 4>That happens when.

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>People walk up to you and start naming your kids

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and all of the things that happened to them throughout

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>their life. It starts to hit you like, oh shitah,

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I did shit that you was born in a bathtub

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and you did this and you like soccer, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Because when we first started social media, I legit thought

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>it was gonna be two people who we accepted friends. Remember,

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you accept my friend, I accept your friend. Then it

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>starts to grow and then it's like, oh, well, we

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>do television anyway, so people are going to know our

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>family anyway, to oh, y'all really really know our family.

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna be honest, I don't mind sharing my family.

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.959
<v Speaker 1>Because we just talked about the attack on the Black family.

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>The one thing that really makes me feel really, really

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>good walking around is when people say, you know, we

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>see y'all and understand that it's possible. We don't try

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to do it perfectly. We've argued online, we've laughed online,

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>we've cried online, we've raised our kids online. When people

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>say to me they've never seen a black father until

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>they saw me with my boys, like every day to me,

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>because now it's like, I'm fighting against all of the

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>bullshit you're trying to put out there about us, as

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>people were fighting against that just by living truthfully, you know.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 7>And I'm sure like in the same vein of what

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 7>we're talking about on this episode, I'm sure that it

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 7>makes you maybe a little bit more intentional about how

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 7>your parents your children because you know that people are

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 7>looking up to you as parents, so you kind of

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 7>have to be like, you know when you do make mistakes,

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 7>because I feel like the things that people have to

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 7>blame their parents for, it's like, oh, they didn't know better,

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 7>they couldn't do better, and.

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's all they had.

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 7>But now, y'all, like being people that people look to

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 7>you always have to be doing better.

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely, but also people's stories.

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were just at Big Tiggers bike event, for example,

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and just thinking about people knowing us on social media.

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 2>First of all, I feel like we can go anywhere

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and we just feel safe for the most part because.

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 4>We're in in the community. We're in what area were

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 4>we in at that point the airportline Bene.

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it's just like you feel almost as if

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you're at home with certain people when there's a level

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>of yeah, they like they revere the things that we do.

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>They're asking to valve for, like, you know, advice when

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>it comes to coaching the kids up speed training. Yeah,

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>and to your point, Triple, it's like, Okay, they've seen

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 2>us in this light raising our family online and it's

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>just like, yo, I want to mirror that I found

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 2>something good. Like they may not agree with everything we do,

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and of course we don't share everything we do, but

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>in what we've shared, there are people who are like, man,

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I could see myself doing that, or I thought this

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>was possible, but now I.

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 4>Know it is.

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>So there's a comfort that comes in these spaces sometimes

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>for us where we're just like, man, we really feel

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>good about the things that we're doing because we're trying

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to figure it out as well too. My mom always says,

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>there was no manual to raising you guys. We had

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 2>no handbook. I did the best I could, and we

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 2>realized we're going to be the same. But Jackson and

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 2>our boys, because at some point they may be in

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>therapy talking about the things that we did or didn't

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>do that they might have needed.

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 8>You'll have to make your mom say that online because

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 8>my mom said, that's something.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 4>It's literally in the Jamaican mom handbook. For sure.

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>There was no program book to tell me all the

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>things to do, like that's that's like a coin phrase

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 2>for my mom.

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I understand it.

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you know what's scary. If social media

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>existed when our parents were parents, in it'd be bad.

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 8>It wouldn't be social media, but.

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 7>They would have I honestly think it could be better

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 7>because there actually, even though people say there was no manual,

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 7>there technically was a manual and it was how your

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 7>parents raised you.

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 4>That's where you learn how to raise your kids.

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 7>And so now that people have other parents to look

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 7>to and they can actually reflect on their own experiences

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 7>and just the space to be able to reflect on

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 7>their own experiences.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm realizing too.

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 7>Like I just thought about this, Like, my mom learned

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 7>how to raise me from her experiences with her own parents,

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 7>And it may not have been exactly how they treated her,

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 7>but it was definitely a product of her upbringing. And

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:03.479
<v Speaker 7>so but in their generation, they just learned to accept it.

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 7>You know what I'm saying. There's no questioning it. You know,

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 7>there's you just kind of have to accept it and

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 7>go along with it. And you learn love in the

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 7>way that your parents are able to give it to you.

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 7>And sometimes it's rough, sometimes it's you know, harsh, and

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 7>that just is what it is, and you pass that down.

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:19.879
<v Speaker 3>So I feel like.

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 7>If social media did exist, then then people would know,

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 7>like because you know, all parents weren't the same, even still,

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:29.879
<v Speaker 7>people would know there's a different way to do things.

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 7>And maybe I can talk to my parents about this,

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 7>Maybe I can bring this up and see if they

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 7>have a feeling about it.

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a really good point.

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 2>You made trouble with our parents pretty much being the

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 2>blueprint for what we do because of Devalan. I always

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.839
<v Speaker 2>talk about the way our parents parented us and then

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>even parented our brothers and sisters, and seeing the difference

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 2>in those techniques and style. Of course, it was dictated

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 2>based off of where our parents were at that time,

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 2>but if we're using that as kind of like our

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 2>initial blueprint, there's definitely amendments that come along the way

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>where you take things out and replace it with things

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>that work with you just for the type of parent

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 2>you want to be, but also moving with the times,

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>because us as parents are contending with totally different things

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that our parents did. And it's interesting to see because

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>of a quick story. I was just talking to Deval

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>about this and Jackson has no memory of it, and

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 2>that makes me feel better about it because it's the

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>one parenting I think blemish I've had on my parenting,

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. Chart When he was in the second grade,

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>he had a teacher that was apparently she used to

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 2>teach fourth and fifth grade and she came down to

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 2>second grade. So there was a bit of a disconnect

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:37.800
<v Speaker 2>because second graders are not as advanced with anything compared

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to fourth and fifth graders. So Jackson would come home

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, where's this book, where's your homework?

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 4>Where's that? And he'd be like, I don't know.

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>He was confused every day and coming off of the

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 2>way my mom raised me. It's like not bringing home

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 2>homework or a book that was vital to study, Like

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>if you have a social studies exam on Friday, that

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.839
<v Speaker 2>book should be coming home every day with you as

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 2>of Monday to prepare for Friday. So when Jackson wasn't

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>bringing home his books, I was like, where's your books?

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 4>Where's your stuff?

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 2>And then one day it was like a couple consecutive

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 2>days and weeks of this's happening. So I totally like

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 2>draped him up and just started like hitting at him,

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>like you know, I'm hitting his back and his shoulder,

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.839
<v Speaker 2>and he's like doing this trying to block me, and

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you.

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 4>Need to bring your books home and where's your homework,

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 4>and you need to be more responsible.

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 2>And that was literally me just jumping into what my

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>mother did when we didn't have our stuff.

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 4>Now I was a prime student, honey, so I had

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 4>my things.

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 3>There.

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 2>She did that with my brother and my sister and

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I that was just her thing to do. So me

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.280
<v Speaker 2>parented being parented that way, that is what I saw as.

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 4>The thing to do.

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>If your kid doesn't bring your book home and you're frustrated,

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 2>you hit him a couple of times and then he'll

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 2>probably remember the next time. So I asked Jackson recently.

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, do you remember that one time in

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the second grade when you didn't bring your books home?

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And he was like no, and he's like what happened.

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I was like hitting you and stuff. And

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 2>he was like, no, I don't remember that. And I'm like,

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 2>thank god he doesn't remember that, cause I was like, man,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 2>that's the story I thought he was going to tell

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 2>when he was older, Like, Mom, you remember that one

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 2>time you beat me for not bringing home my books?

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 4>And then I went to right and then I went

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 4>to the val and I'm just like, what am I

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 4>doing here?

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 12>Like?

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:10.359
<v Speaker 4>What am I doing?

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Is this the resolve?

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Is this the way I want to engage with my

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>child when it comes to academics?

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, what?

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Should I be getting to the root cause of what's

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 2>happening here by speaking to the teacher? And of course

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I did that investigation after, but it was just in

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>that moment where I found myself doing something that was

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>done to me that really was not the right thing

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 2>to do.

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And you're saying what I was saying, It was just

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>too fast as said one fast, it is doing what

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>your mom did. But it was also the frustration aspect.

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I learned this from my parents. I got hit more

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>not because I did something wrong, but because my parents

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>were frustrated, and it's like they were frustrated about something,

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and then I was the outlet of their frustration. Because

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't even just my parents. If I'm being honest,

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>my dad very rarely hit me. He I think spanked

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>me with a belt like twice. I got punched in

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the chest a couple of times for constantly asking questions

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of talking about my mom. Her biggest thing was a

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>backhand or a quick slap. They weren't a belt people,

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>but my aunts they was belt people. My grandmother was

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 1>belt flashwater. And I think my grandmother, her being from

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>South Carolina, you know, Bible belt spirit, the rod spoiler child.

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>She beat all her kids. I heard stories from all

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>my aunts and uncles about getting beat My grandfather wasn't

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>really a beating like that, you know what I'm saying.

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>It was my grandmother. Because the moms at that time

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>were the ones at home with the kids. I've noticed

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>that more parents beat their kids, not because they learned

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>that behavior, but because they were just frustrated with something

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and I don't have the words to explain it, so

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna hit you so you stop doing what you're doing.

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:42.399
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the part that becomes abuse when

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>once you've lost the words to explain to your child

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 1>why you're doing what you're doing to them, and you're

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>just hitting them to get them to stop. That's abusive

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>because now they don't know how to stop, they're gonna

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 1>keep repeating the behavior, and then they're gonna just start

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>accepting the beatings as something that happens. And now you

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>got someone's beating and someone's getting beat and it's just

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's how a lot of us grew up. And

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to make excuses or anything. But when

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I watch how Joe Jackson's kids talk about the fear

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that they had for him, you could tell a lot

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>of his beatings came from frustration, You know what I'm saying.

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson said open league that he was scared of

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>his father. The boys said that they were scared of

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>their father. I personally never want my kids to be

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>afraid of me. I want them to respect me, respect

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.439
<v Speaker 1>me so much that I don't ever have to hit

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>them that even my presence or the thought of me

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>will be like, you know, let me not even do

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that because I don't want to, you know, I want

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>my dad to be disappointed. I think that's where this

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>generation has learned from the transgressions of previous generations. But

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>with that being said, at what point do you start saying, Okay,

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>yeah I got beat When I was younger, I did

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 1>certain things, But now I'm a forty plus year old person.

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Are all of the decisions I made in my life

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>from the point I left my parents' house till now

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>all their fold So nothing they did in the house

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 1>was good for me, right, you know what I'm saying,

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Like nothing at all, and now it was just everything

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.720
<v Speaker 1>was trauma, and I'm happy that I survived my parents.

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's unfair to our parents.

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 4>I agree.

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that it's all trauma. I don't.

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 7>I don't know unless somebody really did have a really

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 7>traumatic upbringing, which something a lot of people do at

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 7>homes where they didn't have a voice, they weren't treated

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 7>like human because they were kids.

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what Michael and his brothers went through. Yeah,

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>in that house.

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 7>I think that's a fair because I just saw a

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 7>video of Michael saying like when they got beatings, it

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 7>was a whole ritual. He would make them strip naked

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 7>and then oil them down. He wasn't just grabbing something

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.720
<v Speaker 7>and hitting them out of frustration. He had a plant,

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 7>you know what I'm saying, in order to get a

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 7>certain you know, outcome exactly. But for I think that

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 7>you can't really grow out of blaming your parents until

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 7>you recognize what the impact on your childhood was. And

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 7>I think for Black people that recognition comes a lot

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.280
<v Speaker 7>later in life because one we don't go to therapy

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 7>and two we are taught to respect your parents.

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 1>No matter what.

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 7>And so I know, personally, for me, it was hard

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 7>for me to name certain things as trauma because trauma

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 7>sounds like, oh my god, you're getting thrown out the window.

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 7>You know what I'm saying, You're getting abused in some ways.

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 7>And everybody got beatens, right, like everybody got whippings, but

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 7>there's like certain punishments, certain whippings that I know I

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 7>didn't deserve, or even just yelling when I ask a

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 7>simple question. Being a kid, you jumping around and all

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 7>of a sudden, you get slapped, you know, somebody telling

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 7>you to shut up, and you start crying and you

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 7>don't get a hug. You know all of that, and

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 7>then as a child, your brains are so elastic that

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 7>you then learn human behavior and you learn how to

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 7>act from those things. So it's not just as easy

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 7>as now I'm an adult and now I should know better.

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 7>Know you were taught some thing very like, very influential

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 7>at a young age that has that has actually affected

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 7>every facet of your life in adulthood, and you have

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 7>to then recognize how it has impacted you to be

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 7>able to then unlearn those behaviors. And also, black people

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 7>don't get apologies from our.

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 3>Parents, No, they don't at all true.

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 7>So there's really only you can only reconcile what somebody

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 7>else did to you or what somebody else taught you

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:34.359
<v Speaker 7>about being a human with yourself, and that's difficult as hell,

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 7>and it's hard to accept. It's hard to move past

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.320
<v Speaker 7>that if you don't have the person who that belongs

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 7>to taking accountability for how you're saying.

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not something you can just naturally grow out of

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 2>where you can say, oh, I'm eighteen, now I've moved on.

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 4>So you just.

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 1>At what point do you say, I'm going to take

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>control over how I feel.

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, because we've seen so many different scenarios, like people,

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>for example, who were arranged without parents and their success

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:02.359
<v Speaker 2>stories because they may have had difficult lives either way,

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>not with one person to blame, but they did not

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 2>become a product of their circumstance.

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 7>And even that is the impact of their parenting or

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 7>non parenting, because if you get into an intimate relationship

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 7>with one of those people, you start to then see

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 7>how it is that they're successful. They're extremely avoidant, they

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 7>place all of their value and their success. It looks

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 7>good because they're successful, you know, it looks good. But

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.240
<v Speaker 7>how they got there is totally the product of their trauma.

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.839
<v Speaker 7>It's not because they overcame it. It is because they

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 7>did what they did out of whatever however that trauma

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 7>impacted them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad. I'm glad you brought that up to because

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I also think it's unfair when people say trauma is

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the reason why someone is successful. Once again, speaking on

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the Michael Jackson movie, there are a certain demographics saying

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 1>that he was only successful because he went through that

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>trauma which I think is unfair because there are so

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 1>many successful people who've never been through that type of

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>drama trauma of having an abusive father that it's like,

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it's unfair to say that that's the only reason, but

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 1>also it's unfair to say that that was the only

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>thing existed. So my question is, at what point in

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>your life when you're when you're out of your parents'

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 1>house do you do you say, like, you know what,

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go to therapy. I'm going to start

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 1>approaching those people like what when do you think is

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>a safe space or when.

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Did you have happened in your life it makes you

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 2>feel like I can't continue doing this.

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:30.720
<v Speaker 4>I need to figure out the root.

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Cause because I know that happened for me. I know

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 1>what happened for me. I want to hear from y'all.

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.720
<v Speaker 7>I think being in a relationship where I was getting

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.720
<v Speaker 7>slapped in the face like made me start to think,

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 7>why do I think I deserve this? What am I

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 7>trying to prove to this person who is not good

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 7>to me? And so then that's when I started going

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 7>to therapy and started to unpack. And it still took

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.240
<v Speaker 7>years and years and years for me to even relate

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 7>things back to my childhood or the relationship that I

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 7>have with my parents. And then I started to be

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 7>able to like feel my emotions and a more embodied way,

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 7>like how does my body feel when I'm around my parents?

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Like why do I get tense?

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 7>Why do I have such an attitude every time I,

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 7>you know, am with my mom? And then I had

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 7>to like think about, you know, because a part of

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 7>that could be like a lot of times I would

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 7>be down on myself, especially coming out of an abusive situation.

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 7>I could be like, that's why I was getting slapped

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.240
<v Speaker 7>because I got a fucking attitude problem and all.

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 3>This this is my fault, but no, it's not.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 7>You got to you honestly have to think about what

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 7>happened in childhood and how that impacted you, and what

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 7>that taught you about how you're supposed to behave and

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 7>how you're supposed to respond to people. So it was

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 7>like trying to form intimate relationships with other adults that

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 7>made me realize, like, there's something unresolved that I have

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:42.280
<v Speaker 7>to address.

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say my two pivotal moments that come

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 2>to mind when we, of course got into a relationship,

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't right away because I feel like our

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>college experience was kind of masked a lot of the

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 2>things that I was dealing with as I became further

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and further, you know, deeper to our relationship.

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 4>In the beginning, it's like, oh, this is all great.

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 2>But then when we really locked in and decided we

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do life together, I had moments where I

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>had to look back to my childhood or my upbringing,

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>or things that my parents said or did, or even

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 2>the way they interacted and how that impacted me and

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>how I showed up in our relationship. The second time

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 2>was when I became a mother. You know, you're thinking

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.879
<v Speaker 2>about how you're not going to parent this person, this

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 2>little person that comes into your life dependent on you,

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>things that you don't want to pass down, things that

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.479
<v Speaker 2>you want to instill, how you're going to co parent

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.360
<v Speaker 2>with someone who may or may not agree with certain

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.239
<v Speaker 2>things that you want to instill as a parent being

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>on the same page. So I think those were moments

0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.240
<v Speaker 2>where it's still been a work in progress, where I'm

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out how I'm going to show up

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.240
<v Speaker 2>in these relationships and how I have to either unlearn

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 2>or pull from what I've experienced in my own childhood.

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.439
<v Speaker 7>That's a good one too, because dating a woman who

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 7>had a child, I would be like, he would be

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 7>throwing a fit or doing something irritating.

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, whoop his.

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:03.440
<v Speaker 7>Ass's And then I had to be like, why am

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 7>I thinking that? Like I don't want to hit him,

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 7>And then when she would actually hit him out of frustration,

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 7>I would be like, oh my god.

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 9>Yo, yeah you know, like so, yeah, you like the

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 9>devil on the show to be his ass?

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 6>Why did you do that?

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Exactly exactly for me?

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.359
<v Speaker 9>For me, I mean is it isn't like a distinct time,

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 9>but definitely after marriage and definitely after having children. My

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 9>wife would say to me, you acting just like your father.

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 9>And then at first I was just like you acting me,

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 9>You acting like your parents. And it wasn't until I,

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 9>like I self reflected, I realized she was like one

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.359
<v Speaker 9>hundred percent right. And then when I realized she was right,

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 9>I started to look back at my my my childhood

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 9>and realize I am the mirror of who my father is,

0:47:55.000 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 9>and if anything, I'm probably worse right because I I've

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 9>adopted something that I thought was right, and it implemented

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 9>this into my life, whereas it wasn't like I just like,

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.399
<v Speaker 9>it's not something that I'm just picking up and just doing.

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:13.440
<v Speaker 9>Once I'm literally the complete mirror of him. And then

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 9>I realized, like, if I continue this trend, then my

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 9>daughter will get the same thing, and then she's pulling the.

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 6>She's putting the worst out of both of us.

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 9>So for me, that was that was the turning point

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 9>where what I realized, like and on top of that,

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 9>it was affecting both my wife and how I parent,

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.800
<v Speaker 9>like so like, I'm not seeing myself as a problem.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 9>She's the one that's only She's the only one that's

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.279
<v Speaker 9>the problem, and I'm not seeing anything that I did

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 9>wrong because what I realized in that at that time

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 9>was someone else is always going to see you way

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:52.439
<v Speaker 9>differently than you see yourself. Absolutely right, Like I'm going

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 9>on in my life like everything is completely aokay and

0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:57.600
<v Speaker 9>I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do.

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 6>And everything is you you you you you, and then.

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 9>She just held a mirror up on me and it

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 9>was like, oh crap, I'm seeing myself.

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 6>For the full time.

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 9>And it taught me a lot in that you're never

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 9>really going to see yourself without some sort of revelation.

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:17.200
<v Speaker 9>Revelation right, like you're not gonna just wake up one

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.800
<v Speaker 9>day and just be like, I'm a mess.

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 6>It took someone else to tell me that, Yo, you

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:26.480
<v Speaker 6>ain't really moving right. You gotta look at this.

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 9>And when I when I opened up to seeing myself,

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:32.320
<v Speaker 9>because obviously there's this rejection, like you in the argument,

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 9>it's somebody telling you you just like your father.

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 6>Like how you got the nerve and tell me I'm

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:37.760
<v Speaker 6>like my pops?

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 4>And is that triggering? Why would that be triggering?

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 9>It's triggering to me because because I didn't like the

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:45.000
<v Speaker 9>same thing he was doing.

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:46.439
<v Speaker 6>I didn't like that, yep.

0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.640
<v Speaker 9>So then not realizing I'm doing that same thing, it's

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 9>just like I gotta, I gotta, I gotta eat that.

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>When was yours? Man? I'm glad there's a trend that.

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Hope y'all noticed the three y'all so.

0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 11>Don't I don't technically have well, I do have one.

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 11>My father died because it was with my problem with

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 11>with my father, Yes, But after that I had to

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 11>find and start doing more self affection, and that's when

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 11>you start seeing stuff. But for me, it's not. It

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 11>was more understanding why he was doing those things, because

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:22.840
<v Speaker 11>I would see that, like in high school, my mother say, oh,

0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 11>you have attitude problems. You have anger problems. You need

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 11>anger manager. I'm like, I don't, but you keep telling

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 11>me I'm angry. Somebody's eventually gonna get angry and angry. Yeah,

0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 11>I didn't realize I'm doing I'm just short to anger

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 11>just like he was, so I mean quick to anger,

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:38.879
<v Speaker 11>I should say. So, I'm seeing the things that i'm

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:41.760
<v Speaker 11>after he died. I have to unpack some of that stuff.

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 11>But it's all self internal things that I realized.

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad all of y'all said, y'all points, because it's

0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>one thing I noticed, right. You said it was relationships.

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>You said relationships. You and your dad died, You said relationships.

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I noticed the same thing about myself, but it wasn't

0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:01.840
<v Speaker 1>intimate relationships. It was my friend relationationships. And what I

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.160
<v Speaker 1>realize is that when people start to tell you things

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.319
<v Speaker 1>about yourself, they're holding up the mirror a lot of

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:09.919
<v Speaker 1>us as people don't like it. That's why we get

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 1>rid of friends who tell us the truth about us.

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:14.280
<v Speaker 6>They don't want top around.

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:15.839
<v Speaker 4>People don't value them as.

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Much, and we keep around people who want to tell

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 1>us what we want to hear. So part of the

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>reason why I want to ask that question is because

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I want the viewers or the listeners to understand, like, yes,

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>you can blame your parents, but there has to come

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.959
<v Speaker 1>a point when you start to realize that the things

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 1>you blame your parents for, you project them onto other people.

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't take the time to listen to

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 1>other people in real time when they're telling you, like, yo,

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>this action isn't right, You're going to continue perpetuating those

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 1>same things you don't like about your parents until it's

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>too late. And then you become a forty plus year

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:49.359
<v Speaker 1>old person and be like, all this time, I should

0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 1>have been listening to those people who weren't trying to

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.280
<v Speaker 1>just point out my flaws, but just trying to show

0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 1>me what I couldn't see myself, you know what I'm saying.

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>And I started to realize that young. It started happening

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 1>when I went to college. My relationships with my roommates

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and my teammates, I started realizing that they were like

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.759
<v Speaker 1>all fractured, and I was just like, all my relationships

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 1>with people are fractured. The only person that had a

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 1>real styled relationship with was K and my best friend Blau.

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Because it didn't matter how much he told me about

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.399
<v Speaker 1>myself and I told him about hisself. We still kept

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 1>coming back to each other, just like most people in

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 1>intimate relationships. And then I started to value what Blao

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 1>said to me about myself, and he would point out, like,

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, you act like your pops. Because then he

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 1>ended up living with my pops, and I had to

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:36.839
<v Speaker 1>be like.

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:40.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah, I forget that he had that bird literally

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 4>birds he was in it.

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>He lived with my dad for a year in the change.

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>And then it made me realize why I get so defensive.

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Like Josh said, I saw my father as my hero.

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I picked all the good things I liked about my

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.799
<v Speaker 1>dad and wanted to emulate that, not realizing that just

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 1>because I thought those were all good things about him

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it every thing else thinks those are good things.

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>So when I speak to my wife and I say, well,

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing things this way is the right way. Once again,

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that's just my perspective. And if you are really narrow minded,

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:13.759
<v Speaker 1>now you're expecting everybody else to view the way you

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.520
<v Speaker 1>view the world. Through your perspective, and the minute they don't,

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 1>if you start cutting them off, you're gonna be lonely

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna be that that very same person that

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to be. That's why I say you

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>can't blame your parents. At some point, someone's gonna come

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 1>across your path and tell you, like, yo, you're not

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 1>moving the way you think you're moving. And if you

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 1>choose to keep distancing yourself from that truth, you're gonna

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 1>be forty plus and then you're gonna be your parents.

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<v Speaker 9>Fifty plus sixty plus. Yeah, at some point, there's no

0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 9>coming back from it.

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.319
<v Speaker 1>That's a fact. That's a fact. We realize it's now

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 1>even with our parents. We look at our grandparents and

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 1>when you say you act just like just like and

0:53:56.320 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 1>they when you get to my age you and I'm like,

0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the answer is when I get to that age, I'm

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna do the same bullshit. Nah, bro, I'm trying to

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:10.759
<v Speaker 1>fix it. And one thing I will say about I

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.359
<v Speaker 1>speak to my dad a lot. My dad be trying

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to change. Like the part of the reason why I

0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 1>can get on hereim and make fun of him and

0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 1>his mannerism and stuff is because he'll be the same

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:20.439
<v Speaker 1>person to come here and be like, bro, you notice

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I did this. You know, thise upgraded this for your mom,

0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to do better, and I'm like, dang. So also

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>when you're in your sixties, you also can be that person.

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I recognize that I'm doing that wrong. We all need

0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 1>to do that.

0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 4>We're doing that with our parents now.

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:35.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like there's still there's still life left to be lived,

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:37.719
<v Speaker 2>like it's it's not done until it's done.

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<v Speaker 7>So, you know, I don't think my dad was trying

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<v Speaker 7>to change. I definitely get both of my parents got

0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 7>an attitude problem, but my dad, my dad, there was

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 7>there's a clip of John Witherspoon. I don't know West show,

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.799
<v Speaker 7>this is frime, but they're like he's doing like a

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 7>sketch in a courtroom and John Witherspoon is just.

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:58.439
<v Speaker 3>Like, fuck this good, Fuck these lawyers, fuck all this ship.

0:54:58.520 --> 0:54:59.799
<v Speaker 3>That's how my dad used to act.

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<v Speaker 7>He's asking me like he crashed the fuck out over

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:08.480
<v Speaker 7>the smallest thing, and then he'd just be back to normal.

0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:12.279
<v Speaker 3>You know, obviously what the fuck, but that's so me.

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 7>Or you'll just catch him just mumbling under his breath

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:18.720
<v Speaker 7>like God damn ship. I'll be doing that ship all

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:22.319
<v Speaker 7>the time, and now you know, sometimes it does take

0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 7>like reflection and my dad, but I don't know. My

0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 7>dad's attitude never really bothered me for real, Like if

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:30.879
<v Speaker 7>he cussing somebody else, I'll be like, man, you're doing

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:35.080
<v Speaker 7>a lot right now. But when I see him and

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:38.880
<v Speaker 7>myself in those moments, I'd be like, oh God, I

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 7>gotta do something different.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, yeah, I do see a lot more of my

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.960
<v Speaker 11>pops than myself now. I understand a lot more stuff now.

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 11>But even mannerisms like you'll see how I'm quiet most

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 11>of the time. That's how my Pops was.

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 4>You're definitely old West Indian.

0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 6>Man absolutely after that.

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<v Speaker 9>Other than that quiet, I think a lot of times

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.480
<v Speaker 9>we interact with people who have never seen themselves or

0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:11.920
<v Speaker 9>even probably heard themselves. I saw this clip on Instagram

0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.640
<v Speaker 9>probably like a week ago, and it was talking about

0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 9>when you're in It was an example of when you're

0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:22.360
<v Speaker 9>in the in a boardroom and you're talking to you know,

0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 9>someone in there. They put their head down and they

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 9>can't answer a question and they're shy about something. It

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 9>might be because they look at you as an authority

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 9>figure because their parents were the authority and then they

0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 9>can't answer their parents. So I think a lot of

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:39.640
<v Speaker 9>times like we we are talking to children, like we're

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:45.560
<v Speaker 9>interacting with grown, grown kids who are just a product

0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:50.480
<v Speaker 9>of the environments, the relationships, the conversations, the rooms, the

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.600
<v Speaker 9>homes that they've lived in. And I mean for that,

0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 9>when I realized it, I'm like, some grace is needed

0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 9>for some for how people act because they had no

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:06.960
<v Speaker 9>involuntary like get the the pool or the the circumstances

0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:10.919
<v Speaker 9>that you're raised in you have no control over.

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:12.479
<v Speaker 4>True it is.

0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:15.239
<v Speaker 2>That then coupled with showing up as whoever there's a

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>representative of self should be in these environments. So it's

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.640
<v Speaker 2>like constantly as a person, as an individual, not only

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:24.200
<v Speaker 2>are you contending with who you've become because of the

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 2>product of your environment, but who you think you need

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>to be in these spaces that you're showing up in.

0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Can I even fully be myself? Do I even know

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.320
<v Speaker 2>who I am? You know, it's a lot of people

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 2>pleasing that happens. There's a lot of wanting to show

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and put the best foot forward. We're in this constant

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>cycle of I think self reflection or relation, trying to

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:45.160
<v Speaker 2>figure out because of all these different arenas that we

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 2>had to show up in or were grown in.

0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, as kids, we're playing grown but still having

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:54.120
<v Speaker 3>that inner child that's you know, talking for you.

0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.040
<v Speaker 1>We're all costs playing grown. Yeah, when you think about it,

0:57:57.040 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 1>like nobody really exists in the space till you get there.

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Once you get there, you acting like you know, which

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 1>led me to my I got my moment of truth.

0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I got my moment of truth. I'm not saying now

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 1>because y'all gonn be trying to steal it, you know, Josh,

0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:14.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, Josh what you said it was. I got

0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>my moment of truth though, But y'all y'all definitely like

0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>made me think of some stuff, like listening to y'all's

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>perspective once again, This is another reason why I just

0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 1>like doing the podcast. Sometimes I get ideas from people

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 1>that have different walks of life, Like the way you

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.040
<v Speaker 1>grew up was completely different than the way I grew up, Matt,

0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the way you grew up, Josh, what you've been through.

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 1>So when I hear y'all say certain things, I'm like, oh, shoot,

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:43.000
<v Speaker 1>perfect example, last night, me and Kay at dinner talking

0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 1>about respect versus disrespect and I say, kay, do you

0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:48.680
<v Speaker 1>understand why I say to you all the time like

0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:51.160
<v Speaker 1>don't turn and don't turn from me while we're having

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a conversation and start talking and walking away, And she's like,

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's disrespectful, And I'm like, you were

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>never taught at home that you should while you're talking

0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to someone. She was like no, And I say, you see,

0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking that everybody was taught the same thing. So

0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the minute something happens to me, I'm thinking you're choosing

0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to do it out of disrespect, not realizing that you

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 1>had no idea that I thought that was disrespectful. And

0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 1>it was like that moment last night was once again

0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 1>like I've been with this woman twenty four years and

0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm still learning. How could I meet somebody for the

0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:23.240
<v Speaker 1>first time and automatically assume that I know anything about.

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:24.840
<v Speaker 2>About that person? You know what I'm saying, But look

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 2>at the beauty in it. The beauty I think that

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 2>you can find in this whole scenario is that, regardless

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 2>of how we were raised, walks of life, things that

0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 2>we value not value, you still find synergies that allow

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you to get together with people. You know what I'm saying,

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 2>so it's like, regardless and irrespective of everything that we've

0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:45.000
<v Speaker 2>had to endure, you still find the beauty in the

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 2>bright spot, and like we still just love being around

0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:50.240
<v Speaker 2>each other and we connect on this level, you know,

0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:51.240
<v Speaker 2>regardless of that.

0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:52.240
<v Speaker 8>Take the lessons.

0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really good because last night he

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 2>was like, you didn't think that this was disrespectful, and

0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, no, because why My mom used

0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 2>to do it all the time, my dad they still

1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:02.760
<v Speaker 2>do it to this day. And then it caused me

1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:04.320
<v Speaker 2>to be like, wow, I didn't even realize how that

1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.040
<v Speaker 2>could be taken as disrespect to you or me.

1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 4>It's just like, all right, well we're done with the conversation.

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Let's move on. And he's just like, that's not how

1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:11.320
<v Speaker 4>it works in.

1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 1>My house, my uncles and my dad. The first thing

1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:14.720
<v Speaker 1>told me is if you ever speaking to a young

1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:17.560
<v Speaker 1>lady y'all having a disagreement, especially in public, if they

1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.000
<v Speaker 1>turn and walk away from you and they're speaking loudly,

1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:23.600
<v Speaker 1>don't chase them. Don't let whoever. If a woman's going

1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to turn and walk away from you while you're talking,

1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 1>let them walk forever, because you'll spend the rest of

1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:31.200
<v Speaker 1>your life chasing and why you're chasing you don't know

1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:33.600
<v Speaker 1>what that looks like because now you look like she's

1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:36.200
<v Speaker 1>screaming and walking away, and now you're screaming towards her.

1:00:36.240 --> 1:00:39.000
<v Speaker 1>You're the one, you're the threat. So then when I

1:00:39.000 --> 1:00:40.880
<v Speaker 1>explained to her, she's like, I never thought about that,

1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, the fact that you never heard that

1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:46.000
<v Speaker 1>makes me understand now why we kept having that riff.

1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Because when she would do it, and then she splained,

1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 1>she said, I don't want to say anything wrong. So

1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I felt I was being more respectful by saying I

1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:53.840
<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about it. No one walking away,

1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:57.880
<v Speaker 1>And I said, hearing your perspective about that, I'd rather

1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:01.760
<v Speaker 1>you say that than curse me out or say something disrespectful.

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.520
<v Speaker 1>But I was brought up that we never turn our backs,

1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:07.160
<v Speaker 1>we just stay here. And because I thought that, I

1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:08.320
<v Speaker 1>thought everybody thought that.

1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:13.800
<v Speaker 7>So you know the the concept of attachment styles. So

1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:17.800
<v Speaker 7>sometimes attachment styles can show up at different points. So

1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:21.920
<v Speaker 7>you all have obviously a secure attachment in your relationship overall,

1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:24.840
<v Speaker 7>but when it comes to conflict coul, then you have

1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:30.600
<v Speaker 7>an avoidant attachment styles and so then it makes Devow anxious.

1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:32.680
<v Speaker 7>So that's what that is. When you walk away, he's

1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:36.200
<v Speaker 7>gonna chase. That's what avoidant anxious does. So it's so

1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:39.400
<v Speaker 7>funny that you can understand that but not be in

1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:42.320
<v Speaker 7>therapy or using therapy language like that's exactly what that

1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:46.200
<v Speaker 7>is and then exactly but then you come back and

1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:48.840
<v Speaker 7>being able to then talk about it, explain how you

1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:53.960
<v Speaker 7>feel and understand why brings you back to the secure exactly.

1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:54.760
<v Speaker 4>That's a really good.

1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Linse you will about. You are very hate bro.

1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 6>I got over here.

1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:13.720
<v Speaker 3>This is the news.

1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:17.600
<v Speaker 7>The hair more than anything, definitely, job, job is now

1:02:17.760 --> 1:02:20.800
<v Speaker 7>creating my insecurities more than my parents. I don't.

1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't have parents problems anymore.

1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:26.600
<v Speaker 7>I have Josh problems now. I don't.

1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:29.160
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to do that to you.

1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Change the way I talk every time I see Josh.

1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:33.720
<v Speaker 3>She'd be like mocking me.

1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't even say that is a triple thing.

1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:39.120
<v Speaker 12>You.

1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:45.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, whoa, that's how they know I'm doing triple

1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as we wrap up this episode, or at least

1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:51.240
<v Speaker 2>the meat of the show, the one thing, maybe I'll

1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:53.040
<v Speaker 2>ask y'all real quick, because I have an answer to this.

1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:55.760
<v Speaker 2>What things have you had to let go in order

1:02:55.800 --> 1:02:59.320
<v Speaker 2>to move past blaming your parents for your outcome. I

1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:02.080
<v Speaker 2>think for me what I had to move past was

1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:06.280
<v Speaker 2>not giving them grace considering where they've come from and

1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:10.280
<v Speaker 2>literally understanding that my parents have done that the best

1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:12.360
<v Speaker 2>that they could. Like I've said it before, I couldn't

1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:14.160
<v Speaker 2>imagine what it was like if someone dropped me off

1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:16.080
<v Speaker 2>in a brand new country at seventeen.

1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:17.160
<v Speaker 4>And was like, figure it out.

1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:20.320
<v Speaker 2>You have your entire family back home rooting for you,

1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:23.440
<v Speaker 2>counting on you, waiting for you to send back a coin.

1:03:24.160 --> 1:03:25.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, I pick.

1:03:31.640 --> 1:03:33.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, staying with people who made you feel like

1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you were a burden sometimes, you know, it was treating

1:03:38.400 --> 1:03:39.040
<v Speaker 2>you less.

1:03:38.840 --> 1:03:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Than outside to sleep all night in the hallway because

1:03:42.040 --> 1:03:44.240
<v Speaker 1>you got off of work late. Yeah, now you got

1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to sleep on the floor.

1:03:45.240 --> 1:03:47.800
<v Speaker 12>Like that happened to me, like literal, like Cinderella type

1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:53.360
<v Speaker 12>stuff with ye yep that and like one small suitcase maybe,

1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:56.240
<v Speaker 12>so just that and looking at how they've been able

1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:58.920
<v Speaker 12>to like really build their life up and afford me

1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:03.080
<v Speaker 12>so many opportunities, you know, it's admirable in this sense.

1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:06.400
<v Speaker 2>So I've reconciled by giving my parents a lot more

1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:09.400
<v Speaker 2>grace considering the fact that they really genuinely did not

1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:12.480
<v Speaker 2>know any better, but considering what they did know, and

1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:15.200
<v Speaker 2>my mom especially, yeah, my mom especially having the vision

1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:17.120
<v Speaker 2>to know that she wanted her children to do more

1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and be more and have every opportunity. That's something that

1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:22.880
<v Speaker 2>at least I always look at my parents now and say,

1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:24.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what, a lot of things have happened, but

1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:27.720
<v Speaker 2>you've raised me to be who I am and then

1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:30.160
<v Speaker 2>now and I building this life together thereafter.

1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, for me, it would have to be understanding that

1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:35.520
<v Speaker 1>all kids aren't created equal and shouldn't be treated equal.

1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the house warning fairness, being the eldest,

1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and then watching as number one, my parents accrued more revenue,

1:04:43.000 --> 1:04:44.680
<v Speaker 1>they were able to do more things for my brother

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<v Speaker 1>and then my sister who's ten years later than me.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're growing up and you're watching things, you like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how come he got that? How come she got that

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't get that? Also, understanding that your parents

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<v Speaker 1>have different standards because they know their children. I treat

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<v Speaker 1>all four of my sons differently. I do it different

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<v Speaker 1>because I explained to them why they're getting treated differently.

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<v Speaker 1>But it took me having to do some reflection to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that my parents couldn't have treated me, Brian and

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<v Speaker 1>Tori all the same, with all different humans. And it

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<v Speaker 1>took me being an adult to realize that because growing

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<v Speaker 1>up for a long time, through all of my twenties

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<v Speaker 1>and a large part of my thirties, I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like it was unfair and a lot a large time

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that my parents just didn't like me, until

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up and realized, like, oh, they were being parents.

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<v Speaker 11>See, I got the same thing, but in reverse because

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<v Speaker 11>I was the youngest one. In my perspective, I think

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<v Speaker 11>my parents were strict on me. But as you just said,

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<v Speaker 11>your parents know their kids. And I think my father

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<v Speaker 11>saw something in me. It's the same reason why he

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<v Speaker 11>was praying by my bedside every morning. He saw something

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<v Speaker 11>that nobody else saw that, Yeah, he needs to be

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<v Speaker 11>more strict.

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<v Speaker 8>So and yeah, move on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the coach who sees ability and a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like, I'm gonna be hard on you because

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<v Speaker 2>I know you can be great. Yeah, that's a really

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<v Speaker 2>good perspective.

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<v Speaker 11>And even in saying that, I know, because my mother

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<v Speaker 11>might be listening, let me make sure I say this.

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<v Speaker 11>I talk about getting beat but my father was never abusive.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't want to make sure I say that fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact, And I think all of us all said that,

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<v Speaker 1>like we've all gotten beatens before. But I never think

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<v Speaker 1>my parents were abusive. I don't. I don't think my

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<v Speaker 1>my parents talk to me.

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<v Speaker 6>I never said that, you know, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>You know coming for you?

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<v Speaker 6>What What was the question again?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you have to let go in order to

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<v Speaker 2>move past blaming your parents for your outcome?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 9>I had to let go of One thing I had

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<v Speaker 9>to let go is expecting that my dad was going

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<v Speaker 9>to change.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 9>I still have like little, you know, spats with my

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<v Speaker 9>dad now. I mean, my dad's a really good person,

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<v Speaker 9>but he he grinds my gears at times, and he

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<v Speaker 9>sees nothing wrong with it. He's like absolutely unfazed, Like

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<v Speaker 9>he just go about his life. But I had to

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<v Speaker 9>let go like once. I I think there was two

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<v Speaker 9>two uh instances with an past two years where I

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<v Speaker 9>let my dad know how I felt about like everything.

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<v Speaker 9>We had a family caucus, took that from your book,

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<v Speaker 9>and he was just like, well, that's my mom right,

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<v Speaker 9>and I and I and I think that I think

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<v Speaker 9>that's because he it's not non confrontational.

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<v Speaker 6>He's just he's just not going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Go back and forth, like do you think that he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't have the tools to be able.

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<v Speaker 6>To Probably he probably doesn't have.

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<v Speaker 4>A tool or just unpacked, yeah, or.

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<v Speaker 9>He's just probably like I did what I did not

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<v Speaker 9>like in.

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<v Speaker 13>Love.

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<v Speaker 6>I know my dad absolutely loves me, but he's just like.

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<v Speaker 9>That's my mom. So I had to so I had

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<v Speaker 9>to let go. And it was it might have been

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<v Speaker 9>this year where I had to just been like, yo,

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<v Speaker 9>he's not going to change.

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<v Speaker 6>It is what it is.

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<v Speaker 9>I've said my piece, but now I can't let what

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<v Speaker 9>he's done to me affect how I treat him.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't even that, you know. My wife said to me.

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<v Speaker 9>She was like, she's like, it ain't it ain't that

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<v Speaker 9>your dad don't like, don't like you.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't like your dad? And I was like, I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, yeah, she do.

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<v Speaker 9>And I realized that if I continued in the trend

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<v Speaker 9>that I was, I was really not going to like him,

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<v Speaker 9>like I was really just going to blame, blame, blame,

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<v Speaker 9>And then instead of letting go and accepting how I

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<v Speaker 9>was feeling about it, and it's knowing that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 9>going to change. I wanted to have some control over it,

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<v Speaker 9>and until I said I'm I can't control it. That

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<v Speaker 9>that was my turning point, realizing, like I just got

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<v Speaker 9>to love my dad for who he is, understanding that

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<v Speaker 9>a long hour journey together there might be things that

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<v Speaker 9>I don't like. I need to learn how to handle

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<v Speaker 9>it because I'm never going to change him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a fact.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a really good point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I want to say I'm proud of you,

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<v Speaker 1>bro because also understanding that your perspective, your perception of

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<v Speaker 1>your father is simply just your perception of your father.

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<v Speaker 1>That isn't the final perception, that isn't the only perception.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have siblings who feel like your father is

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest things in sliced bread. And I realized that

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<v Speaker 1>with my mom, because I feel certain ways about certain things,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta learn how to let that go. That does

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<v Speaker 1>it that my Mom's not going to change. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love my mom who for who she is and what

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<v Speaker 1>she's been able to do, But what am I going

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<v Speaker 1>to do? Ask her to go back in time? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. So I had to learn how to let

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<v Speaker 1>that go too, And it was kay sitting down and

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<v Speaker 1>telling me, like, yo, you holding on to stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, there's nothing you can do about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to change. There are people that's been

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<v Speaker 1>affected who are even no longer here, So why am

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<v Speaker 1>I holding on to it? My uncle keV told me

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, and I was just like, even with

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<v Speaker 1>my grandfather, because you know, my grandfather my mother's father,

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<v Speaker 1>and I with our side of the family, then I

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<v Speaker 1>we're not close at all. And I used to have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of issues with that, and I used to

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<v Speaker 1>try and try and try until I started to realize, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, like he is who he is, I

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<v Speaker 1>am who I am. Like we don't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>best friends in order to respect who we are to

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<v Speaker 1>each other, you know what I'm saying, and keep it moving.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I am now like I love them.

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<v Speaker 1>I love my mom like it's almost like I have

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<v Speaker 1>an unconditional love for my mom now. She don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to act to do anything in order for me to

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<v Speaker 1>just love her. And I feel that I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in control over that, like what you just said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just in control over it, rather than saying, mom,

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<v Speaker 1>until you do this, then I'm not loving you. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make no.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense, you know what I'm saying, right, And you have

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone's human too. So people are family because of

1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:48.080
<v Speaker 2>blood relations and ties in biology, but you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have the same kind of love for every single person

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<v Speaker 2>just because they're family. And conversely, you have friends sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>who you adopt as family, right because you realized, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I just really enjoy you as a human more than

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<v Speaker 2>I may a biological cousin or uncle or sister or brother.

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<v Speaker 9>You know so, And I think sometimes I remember, like

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<v Speaker 9>same way I was affected by my childhood, my dad

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<v Speaker 9>was also affected by his Yes, my dad also, like

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<v Speaker 9>I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>He didn't have an easy life at all, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean that stuff you haven't seen that

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<v Speaker 2>he may have spoken about it exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I feel about my mom. Like my mom

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<v Speaker 1>and her dad, I know what they that side of

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<v Speaker 1>the family been through growing up. My grandmother, my grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>had his first child at seventeen, and they got married

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<v Speaker 1>and had the next one at eighteen. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his father wasn't there, So how could I expect him

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<v Speaker 1>to be emotionally mature enough to know how to raise

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<v Speaker 1>those two stay in the marriage and then be a

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<v Speaker 1>good grandfather to you know, it's like it's impossible because

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<v Speaker 1>I asked for grace, So it's like, why wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>give this man grace? And I've learned to give him

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<v Speaker 1>and my mom grace.

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<v Speaker 9>And he was once young and yeah, like, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 9>didn't have all the tools.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom had me at twenty one. So your your

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<v Speaker 1>father had you at seventeen, and you had me at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. That's still younger than I am now. And

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<v Speaker 1>she was a grandmother. He was a grandfather at thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, that's a lot of life to have

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<v Speaker 1>lived and gone through, and a lot of things happen

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm expecting you to handle with a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>emotional maturity, without therapy, without tools, without podcasts, and without

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<v Speaker 1>a dad because his dad wasn't there, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, well, let's take a quick break and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into our listening letter of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>Be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we're back, They and Affection.

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<v Speaker 4>We're all in the rooms together, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still happening in the last couple of episodes because

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<v Speaker 2>we blockshoot. So if I sound nasal for at least

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<v Speaker 2>six of them, you understand why. Hopefully I'll be better

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<v Speaker 2>next time. All right, Hey, Devalcadeen, Josh, Matt and Tribble.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad to see y'all back and doing well. I pray

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<v Speaker 2>you keep feeling God's love and he gives you the

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<v Speaker 2>strength to continue to move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote in last year talking about growing my brand

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<v Speaker 2>ZMF Studios and being misunderstood. Triple tried to come for

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<v Speaker 2>me and you guys renamed my brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Bbls y.

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<v Speaker 4>We are un serious and she put the crying face

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<v Speaker 4>in here.

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<v Speaker 2>I truly appreciate your advice and what you all poured

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<v Speaker 2>into me from my last letter. With that, I have

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<v Speaker 2>an update. All right, let's see, did you copyright the

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<v Speaker 2>BBL studio's name?

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<v Speaker 1>Is the question?

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<v Speaker 4>We want to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>After making the move to LA about seven months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I basically hit the ground running in production, getting into

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<v Speaker 2>creative spaces, allowing my work and my consistency to speak

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself. During this time, I've been consistently working on

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<v Speaker 2>set in different roles, mainly assistant camera okay, but recently

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<v Speaker 2>I got the opportunity to work as sound utility on

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<v Speaker 2>a vertical series and script supervisor.

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<v Speaker 4>On another congrats.

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<v Speaker 2>Outside the opportunity to work at the NAACP Image Awards,

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<v Speaker 2>which gave me a valuable experience in a fast paced,

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<v Speaker 2>high level environment, an opportunity I'm truly grateful for in

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<v Speaker 2>his open doors for me. In addition to working behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes, I recently stepped in front of the camera

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<v Speaker 2>as well, acting in.

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<v Speaker 4>A short film.

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<v Speaker 2>That experience pushed me creatively and really boosted my confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also given me a deeper understanding of storytelling from

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<v Speaker 2>both sides. Alongside production, I continued to build my brand

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<v Speaker 2>ZMF Studios with photography and video editing. I had the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to edit for Dwayne Wade a series called Study

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<v Speaker 2>Hall from his podcast. Lastly, I truly appreciate any advice

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<v Speaker 2>you might have for someone starting to develop their craft

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<v Speaker 2>and acting while balancing multiple roles in the industry. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>wishing you all to continue to says and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>to connect with you all.

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<v Speaker 4>Congratulations, big up yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing it. That's the opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Asking for advice, Yes, taking the advice and executing and

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<v Speaker 2>now you're juggling all the things and this is amazing

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>In developing your crafts. Go to acting class.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to say the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to class, actually study the craft, Listen for the coach.

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<v Speaker 1>That we live in a world now where people think

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<v Speaker 1>they can go to YouTube, we just figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything. I'm an actor. I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you this right now. The people who I adored went

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<v Speaker 1>to class worked with a coach.

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<v Speaker 4>I still do.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand technique, whether it's Stanislavsky Meisner, there's a technique to

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<v Speaker 1>everything you do. You don't just pick up a camera

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<v Speaker 1>and say I'm a director. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>There's things that you have to learn. Go to class.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand your instrument, learn about breathing, learn about movement. Watch

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of movements, read a lot of screenplays. Go

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<v Speaker 1>to the theater. If you really want to be an actor,

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<v Speaker 1>that is an actors medium. Film is a directors medium.

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<v Speaker 1>TV is a writer's medium. The only medium that is

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<v Speaker 1>an actor's driven medium is the stage. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>really want to be an actor, go to the stage.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you went and found a job, because it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't getting mine.

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<v Speaker 8>I was sticking.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's hilarious, Well thanks for writing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate when we get updated on some of the stories,

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<v Speaker 2>because we will randomly be here one day and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, whatever happened to that girl X y Z,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever happened to her?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>So congratulations, keep going. I think there's gonna be more

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<v Speaker 2>on the horizon for you based off of this. All right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>keep doing it absolutely. If you want to be featured

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<v Speaker 2>as a listener letter for a future episode, email us

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<v Speaker 2>at the Ellis Advice at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's t H E E L L I S A

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<v Speaker 1>d V I C E at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, time for the moment of truth. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let you start, babe, because you were the bits baby.

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<v Speaker 2>You said you had yours ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do have my moment of truth, and my

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<v Speaker 1>moment of truth is a collaboration of all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that were said here. The first thing is accept reflection

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<v Speaker 1>from other people. I've listened to everybody here, and the

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<v Speaker 1>number one thing I've heard is that someone else pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out to them that they needed to make change. All

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<v Speaker 1>the people in this room realized amongst themselves that they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to make change, but it took someone else pointing

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<v Speaker 1>it out. If you realize that the person that's pointing

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<v Speaker 1>out your changes is someone close to you. Don't do

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<v Speaker 1>like most people do and push them away because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't like the changes. Pull those people in and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna work kind of harder to be better.

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<v Speaker 3>Dope.

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<v Speaker 4>Anybody else got there's readily available.

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<v Speaker 6>I do go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>I got one word grace.

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<v Speaker 4>Grace, grace and grace over here.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, your parents might be responsible for your wounds, but

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<v Speaker 9>they but you can't blame them for the choices that

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<v Speaker 9>you make forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, mine's kind of the same. Mine's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the same.

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<v Speaker 7>You're not a kid anymore, so you know, you may

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<v Speaker 7>have the trauma that you have that explain some of your.

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<v Speaker 3>Behavior, but you can change it as an adult.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, stop cost playing being an adults and actually be

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<v Speaker 1>an adult. Take accountability.

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<v Speaker 4>That's dope. That's dope.

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<v Speaker 2>I think mine is. You know, we use a mirror

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<v Speaker 2>at times for vanity reasons. You want to see how

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<v Speaker 2>good you look, right, But sometimes when someone holds a

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<v Speaker 2>mirror up to you, it's a reflection of who you

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<v Speaker 2>really are, and they may see things that you don't see,

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<v Speaker 2>things that are not so pretty. So be okay with

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<v Speaker 2>the spaces that you feel like I'm safe for this

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<v Speaker 2>person giving me a reflection of what they see in me,

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<v Speaker 2>because it may not be all that's cracked up to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got to do the work.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye as deep that hurt listening to it, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>the truth. Though sometimes you got to be like I was.

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<v Speaker 1>How She's gonna hit us with the Michael Jackson outro.

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<v Speaker 13>This is the last, this last podcast that.

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<v Speaker 6>Is accurate.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank everybody scared.

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<v Speaker 5>Just now look like like.

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<v Speaker 6>Brother, it's hot.

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<v Speaker 2>To say.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know how long it's gonna last.

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<v Speaker 2>So so beyond beyond, beyond the p's and q's, and

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<v Speaker 1>Have it, so we know who Michael is in this group.

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<v Speaker 4>my hair, to do my hair.

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<v Speaker 1>We know who Joey is. You know who is over there?

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, everybody's as something here?

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