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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace vanished. A beautiful young mom

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Speaker 2: A mom of one goes missing after getting into a

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Speaker 2: pickup with two mystery men. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 3: Sarah Ebersoll vanished after getting into a black pickup truck

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Speaker 3: in Reddick, Florida, and was never seen again.

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Speaker 2: Where is Sarah behind in the wake of her disappearance,

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Speaker 2: is her little girl wanting mommy listen to this?

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Speaker 4: Sarah Gail Ebersoll, twenty eight, is missing from Reddick, Florida.

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Speaker 4: The young mom has not been seen or heard from

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Speaker 4: since March third, leaving a house party just a mile

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Speaker 4: one hundred and sixteen pounds with blonde hair and blue

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Speaker 4: eyes as a small cocapelly tattoo on her right hip.

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Speaker 4: Marion County Sheriff's believe Sarah is in danger. If you

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Speaker 4: have information on Sarah Gail Ebersol, please call Detective Ryan

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Speaker 4: Smith at three five two, three six eight three five

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Speaker 1: Where is this beautiful young mom?

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Speaker 2: Why was she spotted in a pickup truck with two

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Speaker 2: so called mystery men joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first I want to go out to her sister,

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Speaker 2: who has been leading the search for Sarah, Michelle Tullis,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being.

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Speaker 1: With us, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Michelle, when you first learned that your sister was missing,

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Speaker 1: And how did you find out?

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Speaker 5: Well? I knew it wasn't normal behavior. I tried to

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Speaker 5: contact Sarah. She wasn't responding for twenty four hours. She

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Speaker 5: also had not responded to her roommate, so then we

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Speaker 5: tried to reach out to the Mary County Shaf's department immediately.

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Speaker 2: You know, she was always so reliable, never missed work,

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Speaker 2: loved her little girl. I'm just trying to think through

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Speaker 2: the facts surrounding Sarah's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: Everybody take a look at Sarah Ebersol.

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Speaker 2: It's just a stunning young woman, a young mom in

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Speaker 2: love with her little girl. What went wrong? As of tonight,

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Speaker 2: no sign of Sarah? So what do we know? We've

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Speaker 2: backtried her movements.

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Speaker 6: Listen, when Sarah Ebersol gets off work at seven pm, Thursday,

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Speaker 6: March second, she grabs a ride home from a coworker

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Speaker 6: Sarah's roommate, Deborah, is out of town and Sarah tells

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Speaker 6: her about trash pickup. Deborah tells her to get their

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Speaker 6: friend Lonnie to pick up the trash. Nothing out of

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Speaker 6: the ordinary. At nine forty five pm, Sarah walks to

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Speaker 6: to grab a few items, Sarah gets Lonnie to drive

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Speaker 6: her to a Circle K a mile up the highway, joining.

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Speaker 2: Me in All Star Pound to make sense of what

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Speaker 2: we are learning tonight. You have already met Sarah's sister Michelle,

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Speaker 2: now straight out to Giovanni Dias, investigative reporter of WFTV

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Speaker 2: nine in Florida, professor of Valencia College. Giovanni, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. I'm just thinking in terms of

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Speaker 2: a mom Okay, That's how I'm seeing this, and as

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Speaker 2: a crime victim myself. A lot of the scenarios surrounding

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Speaker 2: Siah's disappearance doesn't make sense to me, but I want.

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Speaker 1: To start with her walking.

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Speaker 2: She gets to ride home with a coworker, and then

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Speaker 2: Circle K now, I don't know if circle k's are

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Speaker 2: all around the country, but in quasi rural areas it's

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Speaker 2: I was growing up in rural Georgia, middle Georgia, that

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Speaker 1: It was no big deal.

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Speaker 2: So explain to me, Giovanni, that night, she gets home

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: That's exactly correct. Thanks for having me, and that you

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Speaker 7: seen at the time. People are aware of her disappearance.

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Speaker 2: You know, Giovanni, I'm trying to process everything you just said.

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Speaker 2: You got me drinking out of the fire hydrant. That

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Speaker 2: was too much, too fast. So you've been to the

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Speaker 2: what time she was there was timestamped. And this was

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Speaker 2: not an irresponsible mom. She showed up to work every day,

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Speaker 2: was at an annual women's veterans retreat. They were texting

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Speaker 2: normal and somewhat mundane. And you know what I've noticed,

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Speaker 2: don't move Giovanni Diaz too. Doctor Leslie Dobson joining US

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Speaker 2: clinical forensics psychologists and host of a brand new podcast,

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Speaker 2: Intentionally Disturbing. You can find her at Dr Leslie Doobson

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Speaker 2: dot com, author of The Friend Cleanse. Doctor Leslie, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Just something Giovanni said. We

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Speaker 2: Her roommate who was at this female veteran's get together

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Speaker 2: think the bulk of my text with my husband, pick

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Speaker 2: Roll the trash out?

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Speaker 4: Do this?

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Speaker 1: Did you turn off the coffee pot?

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Speaker 2: It's part of a rhythm, right, It's seemingly to everybody

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Speaker 2: else it's mundane, but it's our world. And it always

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Speaker 2: shocked me so much when my fiancee was murdered. Everything

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Speaker 1: It's like the world exploded, and that's the way it

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Speaker 2: One moment, this mother of one is texting, hey, when's

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Speaker 2: and she hasn't been saying since that dichotomy, Doctor Leslie,

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Speaker 1: Definitely.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's a concept we call ambiguous loss, where

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Speaker 8: we don't have closure until we figure out what has

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Speaker 8: trying and continuing through this, But the pain is almost

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Speaker 8: worse than actually finding out the result, right. The pain

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, doctor Leslie, I'm just thinking about what

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Speaker 2: is found. Michelle tell us when it actually sinked into

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Speaker 2: you jumping off what Doctor Leslie. Dobson just said that

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Speaker 1: She just wasn't out of range.

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Speaker 2: She wasn't at a party or having a great first

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Speaker 2: very much alike, look alike everything. How did what happened

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Speaker 5: My sister had actually messaged me before she went missing.

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Speaker 5: So when I messaged her saying, hey, Sarah, where are

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Speaker 1: Where is Sarah?

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Speaker 2: Sarah Abersoon her life in front of her just twenty

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Speaker 2: Vannie Diaz joining me investigative reporter WFTV nine in Florida.

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Speaker 2: When you went to the circle, K, I mean I

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Speaker 7: It really is exactly how I mentioned, except so that

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Speaker 7: Do you know if you know what's happened? Is there

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Speaker 7: any new development on this case, because the whole community

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Speaker 7: watching to see what happened, because, as you mentioned, it

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Speaker 7: And then after that really there you can.

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Speaker 1: See in the background the Sitgo gas tank.

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Speaker 2: chief operation officer at Nathan's Investigations in the Florida jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Ashley, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What Giovanni just said presents another problem now. It sounds

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Speaker 1: It's not hard, but not here in this jurisdiction.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, working cases in these rural or country areas,

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Speaker 10: And I think with this case, just you know, time

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Speaker 2: Where is twenty six year old mom of one Sarah Ebersoul?

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Speaker 2: What I'm about to tell you will make you cringe.

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Speaker 1: Second verse samme.

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Speaker 4: As of listen Inside the Circle K, Sarah meets up

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Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to the guests you've already met,

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Speaker 2: Can you take off your defense hat just one moment?

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Speaker 8: Do you just.

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Speaker 2: Groan or grimace when you hear about another innocent woman

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Speaker 11: Of course, absolutely. I mean, you know, there seems to

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Speaker 2: Guys, we have heard this story over and over again.

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Speaker 2: As of right now, we don't know where Sarah Ebersol is,

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Speaker 2: we don't know who took her, we don't know if

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Speaker 2: right now, largely by her sister joining us tonight, Michelle.

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Speaker 1: But again it's the second.

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Speaker 2: Verse same as the first, is the name Natalie Holloway

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Speaker 2: ring a bell.

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Speaker 12: Natalie Holloway is among more than one hundred seniors on

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Speaker 2: That's my friend Natalie's mother, Beth is speaking, and it

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Speaker 1: Listen to yourn Vandersloot.

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Speaker 13: Tells me she doesn't want me to feel her up.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, she's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead, definitely unconscious,

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Speaker 2: Two Doctor Leslie Dobson joining us, author of intentionally disturbing

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Speaker 2: Doctor Leslie. It all seems fun and innocent at the time.

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Speaker 2: When Natalie Holloway met your Van der Sloot and his friends,

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Speaker 2: the Kalpo brothers, everything was fine. She was on a

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Speaker 2: It was the night before they were coming back home

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Speaker 1: What could go wrong? I've seen a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of victims shaming Dr Leslie, But remember these are young people.

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Speaker 1: Natalie was a teen.

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Speaker 2: Sarah has just turned twenty six, right, and she meets

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Speaker 2: these guys, And why should she think that anything's wrong

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 8: We should be able to go about our lives safely

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Speaker 8: And I mean people saw her. People saw her, somebody

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Speaker 1: This is not her fault. Guys.

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Speaker 2: Let's advance the knowledge of what we have right now

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Speaker 3: James Bubba Robinson shares a duplex with couple Jimmy Shawler

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Speaker 3: At one twenty four am, Bubba Tech's a friend, Tyrone Mormon.

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Speaker 2: Time two fifty seven am. We know she did go

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Speaker 1: Is that correct, Michelle?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Jimmy provided photos from his device when I requested

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Speaker 2: You're seeing the photos we were showing of that evening,

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Speaker 2: don't know where to go, you go back, try to

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Speaker 2: figure out who is your victim, Who was her inner circle,

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Speaker 1: Who is Sarah Ebersol? This is what we've learned.

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Speaker 3: Sarah Van born and raised in Florida, The youngest of

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Speaker 3: At just eighteen, Sarah Mary's her first love, Thomas Ebersoll.

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Speaker 3: The young couple quickly realizes they moved too quickly and

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Speaker 2: Name crime stories with Nancy Grace, Matthew Barhoma joining US

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Speaker 2: federal trial lawyer out of LA That's what we call

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Speaker 2: a starter marriage.

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Speaker 1: Don't read too much into it, right, right, and she

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Speaker 2: She kept Ebersol as the last name, and the two

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Speaker 6: After her first marriage, Sarah begins seeing Joseph Meeton. The

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Speaker 6: Sarah obtains a restraining order against Meeton after a physical assault.

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Speaker 6: The parents are in court for custody decisions before Sarah

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Speaker 2: With me Sarah Ebersill's sister, Michelle Tellus, who has led

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Speaker 2: What was the main problem. I understand Sarah Ebersill had

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Speaker 2: So I understand that to keep the peace, Sarah changed

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: That's right before she heard one years old.

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Speaker 6: Marion County Sheriffs tracks Sarah to a Circle K convenience

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Speaker 2: How many times have we heard the same scenario?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: It's there at Ebersol, who goes missing after a night

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Speaker 2: Very often we as investigators and prosecutors see the same

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Speaker 2: You know that makes me think, to doctor Leslie Dobson,

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Speaker 2: joining US psychologist, I don't like the way that Sarah

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Speaker 2: Ebersol has been portrayed.

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Speaker 1: She met some guys.

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Speaker 2: They invited her to a party, a house party that

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Speaker 1: She was brilliant all a's.

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Speaker 2: She went to a get together and was walking home

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Speaker 1: I mean that was through no fault of her own.

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Speaker 2: And I see the same smear job dragging Sarah Ebersol

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Speaker 8: A party exactly and as somebody who worked at cal

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Speaker 8: Poly and I walked by that dorm room where she

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Speaker 8: was killed. And Paul Flores has a pattern. So many

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Speaker 8: people came out and spoke out about Paul Flora's after

443
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Speaker 8: that happened. There is somebody surrounding this case with Sarah

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Speaker 8: who has a history, and history is our indication of

445
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Speaker 8: what sure is going to lead to.

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Speaker 2: To Michelle tell Us joining me, this is Sarah's sister, Michelle.

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Speaker 2: The way that Sarah has been portrayed.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it at all.

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Speaker 2: She did nothing wrong, yet somehow it's easier to go, oh,

450
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Speaker 2: she met these guys in a circle k and took

451
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Speaker 2: off and they are black.

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Speaker 1: Pickup. This is all on her. It's not all on her.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever get tired of hearing that?

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Speaker 5: I do. Sarah was such a kind spirit. She would

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Speaker 5: have immersed herself in anything the world had to offer.

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Speaker 5: She thought everyone was a new personality and a new experience.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know, we know that somehow someone

458
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Speaker 2: tried to reset her password that night.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Sarah's Google account history shows she was on YouTube

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Speaker 6: until two forty am March third. Later that day, the

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Speaker 6: account history was viewed and deleted. Just before two pm

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Speaker 6: March third, someone tries to reset sarah snapchat password. The

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Speaker 6: new login link was sent to her email, but it's

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Speaker 6: unclear if the attempt was successful.

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Speaker 1: There has been no.

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Speaker 6: Further digital activity on Sarah's emails, social media, or bank

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Speaker 6: accounts since.

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Speaker 2: To Giovanni Dias WFTV nine, could you explain that in

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Speaker 2: slow mo for me, someone's changing her password and deleting

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Speaker 2: her search history?

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Speaker 7: What and at this point that's all we really have,

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Speaker 7: all those records of her digital footprint. Right as the

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Speaker 7: one of your guests just mentioned, there was no videos nearby,

474
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Speaker 7: there was no other businesses nearby to kind of pinpoint

475
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Speaker 7: what happened to her after the moment she was picked

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Speaker 7: up by that you know, for that ride that she

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Speaker 7: went into. So at this point, all the investigators into

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Speaker 7: this case have is basically all those digital marks from

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Speaker 7: phones and every you know, all of those pictures that

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Speaker 7: were taken and the attempt to change that password that

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Speaker 7: email actually was sent to her to Sarah, because that's

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Speaker 7: the standard how when you try to change your password

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Speaker 7: on your phone. And Michelle was actually able to find

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Speaker 7: that later on because of her personal investigation into this case.

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Speaker 7: And that's as much as the investigators have. I actually

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Speaker 7: interviewed the Marion County Sheriff's Department about this case, and

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Speaker 7: they wouldn't really give me a lot of information about this.

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Speaker 7: They only said that they have a lot of leads.

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Speaker 7: They're still looking into potential connections with other people that

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00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 7: kind of were located in the nearby area. But at

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Speaker 7: this point, and that was the last time I interviewed them,

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Speaker 7: they said they could not share a lot about this

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Speaker 7: case because it is still under investigation, which to me

494
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 7: seems a little problematic because we have made no further

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Speaker 7: discovery into this case.

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Speaker 2: Michelle, regarding discovering you discovered not police, not law enforcement,

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Speaker 2: not some detective, but you discovered someone to try to

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Speaker 2: change her password?

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Speaker 1: How did that happen?

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Speaker 5: I gaged access to there as teleccount, and when I

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00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 5: figured Marin County wasn't taken this seriously as in the

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Speaker 5: same person's case, and I could see the ascess to

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Speaker 5: the Slasha, which I notified them immediately, and then throughout

504
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 5: the investigation, I even continued to go ahead and get

505
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: into other accounts, email in her iCloud where you can

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Speaker 5: see the video interacting throughout the night. And I also

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Speaker 5: Surrell and Theariam located the trust that I just forgot into.

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Speaker 2: Where is twenty six year old Sarah Ebersol, the mother

509
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Speaker 2: of one little girl? Now we learn that fateful night

510
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Speaker 2: when she was last seeing, last seeing in a Circle

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Speaker 2: K video, and last seeing taken selfies at a party

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Speaker 2: with the other couples that were there that very evening,

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00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: someone went into her digital account and tried to change

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Speaker 2: her password. Not only that, her account history was viewed

515
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Speaker 2: and deleted. Now why would someone go in to reset

516
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: your Snapchat password? We know that because a new login

517
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Speaker 2: was sent to her email, But I wonder if that

518
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: person couldn't access her email to make it complete a

519
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: complete change. Very reminiscent of fraudulent activity on murder victim

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00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: Gabby Petito's cell phone.

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Speaker 4: In the aftermath of Gabby Potito's murder, the Potito family

522
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 4: alleges that Brian Laundry used Gabby's phone to send text

523
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: messages to her family in an attempt to deceive them.

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Speaker 4: Among the messages Brian Laundry is believed to assent is

525
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: a text message to Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt, about Gabby's grandfather.

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Speaker 4: In the text, he refers to Gabby's grandfather as Stan.

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Speaker 4: Schmid has stated Gabby never called her grandfather by his

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Speaker 4: first name and that the text was highly suspicious.

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Speaker 1: Michelle, this is Sarah's sister? Was that normal? Would Sarah? Did?

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Speaker 1: She frequently change her passwords?

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Speaker 5: This particular access to this snatchat happened on an account

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Speaker 5: she had not leased in twenty seventeen, so it would

533
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Speaker 5: not be an account. Give with attempt.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Actually Wardlow joining US Private Investigator Chief Chief Operations Officer

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Speaker 2: Nathan's Investigations Actually again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: That is a multi step process to go through view

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00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: your search history, delete your search history, you know, line

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Speaker 2: by line, then go through the hoops of trying to

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Speaker 2: change a password.

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Speaker 1: That takes a lot of effort.

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Speaker 2: And I find it really hard to believe that at

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Speaker 2: a party, this twenty six year old mom of one

545
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Speaker 2: is sitting at the party changing her password and deleting

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Speaker 2: her search history.

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Speaker 1: That did not happen, Ashley.

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Speaker 10: Yes, that's very very suspicious, Nancy, for someone to take

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Speaker 10: the initiative to even start the process to recover a password.

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Speaker 1: It is a multi step process, right.

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Speaker 10: You just don't go and click for gap password and

552
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 10: you get to make a new one. You have to

553
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 10: go through loopholes nowadays to get access to an email

554
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 10: to reset the password. Sometimes they send you text messages

555
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 10: to be able to authenticate you who you are to

556
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 10: reset this pass code. So it's very very suspicious that

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00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 10: that was going on at the time when she's supposed

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00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 10: to be partying.

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Speaker 2: Interesting that Sarah's sister has to lead the charge in

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Speaker 2: finding her.

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00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: Listen, Sarah's sister, Michelle Tullis, begins searching the area for

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Speaker 4: the black truck. She doesn't have to look hard. A

563
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: black truck matching the surveillance footage is parked at a

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00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: home less than a tenth of a mile from the

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Speaker 4: circle k. The owner, Leonard Anderson, recognizes a photo of Sarah,

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Speaker 4: saying she accepted his buddy James Robinson's invitation to a

567
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Speaker 4: house party and he dropped them off at Robinson's home

568
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: next door. The night of March second.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so once again we're corroborating those photos that we

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Speaker 2: already see about the house party at the couple's home.

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Speaker 1: There's more. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Leonard Anderson and James Robinson are happy to speak to

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Speaker 3: Marion County Sheriff's about Sarah. Robinson says Sarah joined him

574
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Speaker 3: in his roommates for a small house party. Photos Sarah

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Speaker 3: took that night's show her posing with Robinson, James Shaller,

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Speaker 3: and his girlfriend Tisha McDermott. The girls even took turns

577
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: modeling outfits from Tsha's closet. One twenty four am. Robinson

578
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: text friend at Tyrone Mormon about the party and Mormon

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Speaker 3: decides to come over. Robinson says when the party wound down,

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Speaker 3: Mormon offered to get Sarah home. Robinson says he helped

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Speaker 3: Sarah to his car between three and five AM.

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Speaker 2: So bring me up to this point, Giovanni Diaz WFTV nine.

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Speaker 2: So they're stating they are with her, they partied into

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Speaker 2: the night, and they're all going back to his car

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00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: at between three and five am.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: That's correct, And that's this point. That's the only person

588
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 7: in this story that actually connects all of those locations

589
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 7: and everything that so far we know about what happened

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Speaker 7: to Sarah, and that's where this is. That's where our

591
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 7: dead end is. I actually specifically asked this the Marion

592
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 7: County Sheriff's office when I did this story, what can

593
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Speaker 7: you tell us about this person Tyrone Mormon, and they

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00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 7: basically were very tight lipped about it. And once again

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00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 7: we go back to the digital aspect of this, because

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Speaker 7: he also deleted information from his phone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Giovanni Diaz, I don't like the sound of this

598
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Speaker 2: guy Mormon deleting things from his own phone. From that

599
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: not you know, if you look at my phone, I've

600
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Speaker 2: got seven thousand, literally unread messages.

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Speaker 1: I'm not picking for you all that to delete something specific.

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Speaker 1: Why was he deleting messages.

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Speaker 2: It's very very disturbing that he would pick those messages

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Speaker 2: to delete.

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Speaker 1: And that's not all.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Tyrone Mormon refuses to talk. Deputies get a search

607
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Speaker 6: warrant for his phone, but Mormon misses his appointment to

608
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Speaker 6: extract the data. Mormon claims he smashed the phone, so

609
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 6: he trashed it. However, Mormon's girlfriend says that isn't true.

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00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 6: Tyrone Mormon is arrested for lying to police. When investigators

611
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 6: arrived to search his home for the phone, he turns

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Speaker 6: it over. Information from the device shows Sarah and Mormon

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00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 6: stop at a convenience store in northeast Marion County, but

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Speaker 6: no further movements are determined.

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Speaker 1: Okay, right there, joining me.

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Speaker 2: Veteran defense attorney Matthew Barhoma joining us out of LA

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Speaker 2: at Powertrial Lawyers dot Com. Matthew, I can't wait to

618
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Speaker 2: see a defense attorney just like you.

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Speaker 1: Try to explain again.

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Speaker 2: He's not been named a suspect, and he is innocent

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Speaker 2: under the eyes of the law until proven guilty beyond

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Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. But

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Speaker 2: explain to me. Give me your best shot at why you,

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00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 2: Matthew Brahama would delete things off your phone and then

625
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: smash your cell phone and then tell police it was

626
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Speaker 2: on the blink so.

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Speaker 1: It was all on accident, so you threw.

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Speaker 11: It away, You know, Nancy, The beauty of American jurisprudence

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Speaker 11: is that he doesn't have to answer that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, That's what the Fifth Amendment right is all about.

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Speaker 2: Looks around you, plase, Matthew. Matthew, Matthew, look around. Do

632
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Speaker 2: you see a judge? Do you see a box for

633
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: the jury? You're not in corn, So don't tell me

634
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: what's coming into evidence on crime stories. I'm asking you,

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Speaker 2: how do you explain that technical legal term b S.

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Speaker 1: Did they teach you that in law school?

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Speaker 11: Well, I'll tell you what it is.

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Speaker 14: Okay.

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Speaker 11: Deleting information off of your phone is not evidence of murder.

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Speaker 11: It just doesn't bring you there. Right, It's not evidence

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Speaker 11: of foul play. It doesn't bring you there. It's not

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Speaker 11: evidence of harboring someone such as Sarah. It doesn't bring

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00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 11: you there. There's still a missing piece of a material

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00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 11: piece of evidence that's missing that corroborates or that links

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00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 11: mister Mormon and Sarah the victim. So unfortunately, even though

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Speaker 11: he's deleted these items, and even though he's led to

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Speaker 11: the police, he's.

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Speaker 1: Been charging pace.

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00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, you know what, you just tell that to

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00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: a journy again. This guy has not been named a

651
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Speaker 2: suspect in this case, but you know who he makes

652
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Speaker 2: me think of. Let me go out to Giovanni Diaz

653
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Speaker 2: joining us from Florida. Does the name Madeline Soto Mattie Soto.

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Speaker 2: She was just thirteen years old when she was murdered

655
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Speaker 2: by Mommy's live in Stefan stears. According to police, he's

656
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Speaker 2: presumed innocent. You know what he did. He deleted everything

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Speaker 2: off of his phone, but ding Dong didn't realize a

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Speaker 2: lot of it's up in the cloud, including videos that

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Speaker 2: he took before she was killed. See when I hear

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Speaker 2: eating things off my phone? Why why that night, the

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Speaker 2: night that he was with Sarah Eberson.

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Speaker 1: Why delete that of all things?

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Speaker 2: And what a koichi day, Giovanni that he's deleting things

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Speaker 2: off his phone at the same time somebody is trying

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00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 2: to change Sarah's password and deleting her search history.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't bother you.

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Speaker 7: It's very interesting that you actually mentioned Madeline Soto because

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00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 7: I was actually in court just two weeks ago for

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Speaker 7: an update hearing on this case regarding involving specifically information

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Speaker 7: about deleting data from your phone while investigation is ongoing,

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Speaker 7: and that's exactly what we were talking about here. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: as your guest mentioned there, it's not a crime that

673
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 7: he deleted that. It's a crime that he lied to

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Speaker 7: law enforcement. At the time of his connection with police,

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00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 7: he wasn't arrest initially, he was questioned about the case,

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00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 7: and he provided false information and that's the reason why

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00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 7: he now currently faces charges for that, for lying to

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Speaker 7: law enforcement. And that's the reason why we are still

679
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 7: here at this point trying to understand why he would

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Speaker 7: do that, and at the same time as he's being

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00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 7: charged with that, but he's out on bond. He paid

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Speaker 7: ten thousand dollars to respond to HISLF so.

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Speaker 1: He's walking free. I get it. You money.

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Speaker 2: Ashley Wardlow also joining us from the Florida jurisdiction. Very

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00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: well known private investigator. Ashley now to hear Matthew Mohamma,

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Speaker 2: and I respect him.

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Speaker 1: He's a great lawyer. Tell it.

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Speaker 2: That's just you know, I don't have to prove you anything,

689
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: just because I smashed my phone and threw it away

690
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: and deleted what happened then I was with Sarah Ebersol.

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Speaker 1: But then he clams up and refuses to speak.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Ashley, I know I can't comment on this

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Speaker 2: to a journey, but look around, everybody. We're not in

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Speaker 2: a courtroom right now. We can talk about it. Remember

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Speaker 2: that crazy First Amendment. We can have freedom of speech,

696
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: and I am free to say when someone refuses to

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Speaker 2: cooperate with police about what happened to a missing young mom?

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00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: And you're with her last? I would want to say, yes,

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00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: I was with her. We walked to my car, I

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00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 2: drove her home, she got out, she waved goodbye, and

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Speaker 2: then I left. And I haven't heard from her since.

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00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: Why where is she? That's what I would think we

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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 2: would hear from him, but he's refusing to speak.

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Speaker 1: Does that concern you, Ashley? Absolutely?

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Speaker 10: It confirms me because if you don't have anything to hide,

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Speaker 10: then why are you hiding something?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 10: Yes, the actual act of deleting something isn't illegal, but

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00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 10: when it comes down to it, you know, as a

710
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 10: private investigator, rich it's really interested.

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Speaker 1: In what is in that device? What did you delete?

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Speaker 10: Because when you think you deleted something, most of the

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00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 10: time we're still able.

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Speaker 1: To uncover it.

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00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: The shoes Sarah has seen wearing in photos at Robinson's

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00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 4: home a found inside her home, but her phone and

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00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: wallet are not. There are no signs of a struggle,

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00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 4: no clothes left out like Sarah changed, and a pack

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Speaker 4: of cigarettes and a lighter on the front porch missing

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Speaker 4: from the home. A binder of information Sarah kept on

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Speaker 4: her ex's criminal history, legal documentation of her daughter's name change,

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Speaker 4: a keepsake teddy bear with a dahlia flower for Cora's

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Speaker 4: middle name, and Sarah's toothbrush, hairbrush, and makeup brushes.

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Speaker 2: Michelle tell us, joining us, this is Sarah's sister who

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Speaker 2: has led the search for her sister.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you?

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00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: I can see the shoes, Michelle, that Sarah's wearing in

728
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: the photos that night at the house party, at that

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00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: couple's home.

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Speaker 1: Can we see that photo. I see the shoes, and

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Speaker 1: those shoes.

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Speaker 2: Are found in her home. See those shoes right there,

733
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Speaker 2: Those exact shoes are found in her home, which says Michelle,

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Speaker 2: she came home. What do you deduce, Michelle, you.

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Speaker 5: Would presume that my sister made at home and that

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Speaker 5: something happened after she arrived home. Did somebody else pick

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Speaker 5: her up or what happened? We just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Was it her cigarettes? Was it her lighter on the

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Speaker 1: front porch?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was, because I remember my paternal grandmother would

741
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: sneak a cigarette and she would go outside and smoke

742
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Speaker 2: one cigarette and then come back in like nothing had happened.

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Speaker 1: But she would leave the.

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Speaker 2: Lighter and the cigarettes out there, so everybody would know

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00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: she had been out there, So I'm thinking I'm imagining

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Speaker 2: Sarah snuck out outside so smoke wouldn't get inside where

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Speaker 2: her daughter would be, and had a cigarette. So there's

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Speaker 2: a cigarette and the lighter on the front porch. But

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Speaker 2: missing is that binder she kept on her ex husband,

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Speaker 2: including the docs regarding Cora. Now Cora's name change. Remember

751
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: her name had been Dolia Man and now she changed

752
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Speaker 2: it for the biodet.

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Speaker 1: Why would that be missing?

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Speaker 5: That was the first thing I noticed when we went

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Speaker 5: into my sister's home. It seems like the paper cell

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Speaker 5: needed to be the leading of the history between the two.

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Speaker 2: The search for missing mom Sarah Ebersol goes on. If

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00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: you know or think you know anything about her disappearance,

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Speaker 2: please dial three five two three six eight three five

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Speaker 2: four two. We remember an American hero Police Officer Robert

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Speaker 2: Schisler Deptford Township PD, New Jersey, shot and killed in

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Speaker 2: a line of duty. Survived by parents Robert and Tracy,

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Speaker 2: siblings Ashley and Tyler. American hero officer Robert Schissler. Nancy

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Speaker 2: Grace signing off goodbye for