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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, March fourth, twenty twenty, Season fifteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number one hundred and seventeen. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break. We are live from s WBC Mortgage Studios

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Speaker 1: at the start, and we got a lot of things

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into today. We're gonna talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about Combine. Last week. All three of my co hosts

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Speaker 1: were there, and we'll be talking some about the time

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Speaker 1: they spent with Jerry, some of the time they spent

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Speaker 1: an indie there with Mike McCartney, and then some general

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Speaker 1: observations about the combine, different players that are there, just

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Speaker 1: up on all those things. How does everybody feel today?

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Speaker 1: I feel wonderful. Derek. It's nice to see you. It's

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Speaker 1: nice to talk to you and do the show with

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Speaker 1: you and just thrilled to be here. I know you

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Speaker 1: guys have been been doing things like making big moves.

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Speaker 1: I've been back here at the office the whole time,

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Speaker 1: and so I've missed you guys, but I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: have you back on the air, and I want to

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Speaker 1: jump right in. Let's get started. I've got seven different topics. Actually, Nick,

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Speaker 1: you wrote an article coming out of the combine that

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Speaker 1: listed ten things that came from Jerry's talk that you

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Speaker 1: thought were worth mentioning great observations. I took seven of

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Speaker 1: those things and throw them out here, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: because I thought that a lot of the things that

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Speaker 1: Jerry talked about created some interesting discussion points. So let's

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Speaker 1: start first with let's talk on the CBA. Jerry basically

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Speaker 1: said he voted for the CBA, and in voting for

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Speaker 1: the CBA, he understood that the benefits were more about

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Speaker 1: the NFL, the long term interest of the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: we're not necessarily about the short term interest of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Explain that that statement, and let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about him. Well, I'd rather be careful with that. I

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry got put into the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: It's not just for the Cowboys. He's trying to let

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Speaker 1: everybody know that this is big for the NFL. This

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Speaker 1: There's parts that don't really work for the Cowboys because

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Speaker 1: of the transition. Tag will be gone and he can't

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Speaker 1: get Amari Cooper and dak to do that. But I

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Speaker 1: also think it's very important for Jerry to establish that

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Speaker 1: a it's a tough bat once there. I think I

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Speaker 1: that Jerry is a very powerful and meaningful member of

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Speaker 1: What else is new? And I think part of that

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Speaker 1: He made a huge point. I actually thought it was

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Speaker 1: So it's really interesting to see who your player rep is.

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Speaker 1: If Russell Wilson and J. J. Watt are your player rep,

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, we know how this goes,

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious to see, you know. I thought I

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Speaker 1: I'm like sitting here like, hey, do I have one

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Speaker 1: all right, let's go out to the next topic. This

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Speaker 1: all know which is Dak's going to be here. It's

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on where that all stands and

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Speaker 1: segment of The Break Live from the s WBC Mortgage

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Speaker 1: studios at the Star. We're talking about Jerry's conversation last

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Speaker 1: week with the media. There were so many little nuggets

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Speaker 1: that he dropped in that we're going through and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about all those different nuggets. Let's start now

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Speaker 1: with the conversation he had about Jason Witten. Jerry says

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Speaker 1: he wants him back, he thinks he can still play,

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Speaker 1: but he wants him at a different role. Talking about

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Speaker 1: what would you think that means, and if you think

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Speaker 1: that's something that Jason Witten would accommodate, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: he's just, you know, he's gonna be He's not going

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Speaker 1: to be a starter. That's what it seems like. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have to read between the lines there, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it just it's not really adding up. Ken wish people

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Speaker 1: would just say it, but they're not. I mean McCarthy

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Speaker 1: didn't say it, and he didn't. Jerry just said, we think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I still think he can play, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to him to play anywhere else, and Jason

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Speaker 1: said he wants to play. So it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: credit like it was great. Like Nick followed the script

475
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Speaker 1: right from the break, like literally, Jerry said, I think

476
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Speaker 1: he can still play. He wants to play, and it

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Speaker 1: would be a shame if he played for anybody else.

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Speaker 1: And Nick was like, well, you own the team, so

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Speaker 1: say that he was. He was like, well, if all

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Speaker 1: of that stuff is true, then why isn't he back?

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Speaker 1: I said, you want him back? Jason wants to beat back.

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Speaker 1: What's the hold up? Did you have Jason speed? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Now I'm talking Before that, Jason was on speaker phone

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Speaker 1: in his pocket and its like and then he said

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's name, but he didn't really say that he was

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Speaker 1: the hold up. He basically said, Jason is the hold up.

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Speaker 1: Jason has to realize he has to accept this role.

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Speaker 1: That's so essentially he has to accept the pot He

489
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Speaker 1: has to accept the role of being a backup and

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Speaker 1: not a starter. Yeah, that's the first time in sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: Because that's the question, do you think Jason will accept

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Speaker 1: that kind of role? See, no, I think I think

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Speaker 1: the problem. I don't know if this is a problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess it is because you kind of you know,

495
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Speaker 1: self awareness is always a problem in anything in life,

496
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Speaker 1: and I think that you know, Jason could probably tell

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Speaker 1: the listen, I'll sign this, but after the end of

498
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Speaker 1: training camp, if I'm not better than Blake Jarwin or

499
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Speaker 1: whoever you know, you should you should play the best guy.

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Speaker 1: And even if it's clear to everyone in the world

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Speaker 1: that Blake Jarwin is better, it won't be to Jason

502
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Speaker 1: and that, you know, I think it was to Antonio Gates.

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Speaker 1: Gates knew that this guy's better, Henry's better. I'll just

504
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Speaker 1: kind of do my thing whatever, and Gates I asks,

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Speaker 1: what's fine with that? I don't think Whitten will be

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Speaker 1: fine with that, and I don't think he'll see it

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Speaker 1: the same way. But the only thing I wonder if

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Speaker 1: he would is he's made it quite clear that whenever

509
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Speaker 1: he has done playing, he wants to get into coaching.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if this is kind of an entryway

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Speaker 1: into being. I mean, he already is like a mentor

512
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Speaker 1: in the role model and a leader in that locker

513
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: room and to the tight ends and other positions. But

514
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Speaker 1: I wonder if he could see this as like this

515
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: could be a learning opportunity for me about getting ready

516
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Speaker 1: to kind of being. And I'm not one hundred percent

517
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Speaker 1: sure the door has been closed on him coaching this year.

518
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that's off the table yet. I still

519
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Speaker 1: think they're just evaluating everything. It wouldn't surprise me. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would surprise me, but it's not gonna be a

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Speaker 1: shock if he is on the coaching staff this year. Well,

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Speaker 1: some of the things I've heard you and I've had

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Speaker 1: some talks about, some talks some other people who are

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Speaker 1: close to Jason, it doesn't seem to me like he's

525
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Speaker 1: looking for learning opportunities to become a coach. Like it

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Speaker 1: looks like to me when he's going to be a coach,

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Speaker 1: he wants to go in and be a coach like

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about it, and I don't want to

529
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Speaker 1: be a you know, an offensive assistant like he wants

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Speaker 1: to be. You're saying when he goes to Disney World,

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Speaker 1: he gets the fast path. That's exactly right. That's my

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Speaker 1: expectation with what he wants. Yeah, based upon the conversations

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Speaker 1: I've had with different people. So you know, again, I

534
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Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know that this worked. Just

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Speaker 1: based on everything you guys are saying and what you

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Speaker 1: thought you were hearing from Jerry, I don't know if

537
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Speaker 1: this works. I've never seen Jason in a situation where

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Speaker 1: he was willing to do that, where he was willing

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Speaker 1: to take a lesser than role, like he was willing

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Speaker 1: to not be the guy. And so if if that's

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Speaker 1: what the expectation is going in like they haven't even

542
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Speaker 1: played a down in the OTAs if that's his if

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Speaker 1: that's the expectation going and you're going to be a backup,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he'd be willing to sign up

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Speaker 1: for that. I mean, we'll see, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: that he'd be willing to sign Maybe they sign him

547
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Speaker 1: for another one year and it's you battle through training camp.

548
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Speaker 1: But then again, if he's not the starter, I don't

549
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the repercussions of that are. I

550
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Speaker 1: just don't see the point at all. And I've I

551
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: think I said this last time we were all here,

552
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: is like we're having a five minute conversation about a

553
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Speaker 1: guy who would be the backup tight end, Like even

554
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: we'd get into the weeds with cowboys and even we

555
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: don't do that, ye, Like we've never spent more than

556
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Speaker 1: like thirty seconds at a time talking about Dalton Schultz,

557
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Speaker 1: so or should we or would win and so he's

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Speaker 1: been on the field case, and so I just if

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Speaker 1: if this is what it's going to be, and he's

560
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Speaker 1: not going to come back to be the starter, which

561
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: it does not appear to be the case, Nor do

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Speaker 1: I think it should be just just flip the page.

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00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: That's my personal that's easy to say. But there's a

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00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: mural over there, and that part of the building man

565
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: sits up there. It's I don't know, maybe about not

566
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Speaker 1: thy high. I just don't you know. That's that's why

567
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: this whole discussion is even being had. But and and

568
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Speaker 1: that is also why you know, when you say, flip

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Speaker 1: the page, whose book is it? Is it Jerry's book

570
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: or is this McCarthy's book, you know, because I think

571
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Speaker 1: that I think there's some I think there's something there

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Speaker 1: that that, you know, could he be detrimental to the

573
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Speaker 1: team to what the message that they're trying to do?

574
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Speaker 1: You know, does he really want to clean slighter? Do

575
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: you want a guy in here that's kind of kind

576
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: of wanted your job? You know, he wanted to be

577
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Cowboys. So I think those

578
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: were things McCarthy has to kind of factor into all this.

579
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Jason would be bad. I mean, I

580
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: think he's great. I don't think he'd be bad for

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Speaker 1: the locker room or anything like that. But I think

582
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Speaker 1: if you're trying to send a message in your own message,

583
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: maybe you want a bunch of fresh voices and not

584
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Speaker 1: a guy that's been here. That's why I could see

585
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Speaker 1: why McCarthy would say I don't want one of the

586
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: greatest tight ends to ever play the game, outside of

587
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: the fact that he just may think honestly, like there's

588
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: a better tight end there. That may be the truth.

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00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Here's another part of this factor too, when you look

590
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Speaker 1: at the Packers teams. He's done a lot of different

591
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Speaker 1: things so when he was with the Packers, but a

592
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: lot of those tight ends were really athletic. They were

593
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: athletic type guys. And I think he looks at it

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Speaker 1: like I don't need that complete tight end because I

595
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: got a fullback that plays a lot more so, you know,

596
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a finesse fullback like the Cowboys have

597
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: a finesse Ola Wally type fullback. So that might be

598
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Speaker 1: your difference there is that I want. I want athletic

599
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Speaker 1: tight ends, and I want, really if I'm need someone

600
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Speaker 1: to wham the nose, it'll be a fullback. Yeah, I

601
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Speaker 1: wonder too, Wit and said it his award ceremony. They'll

602
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: talk about this after the combine. Well it's after the combine.

603
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll wait and see what they can accomplish beforehand,

604
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, free agency, trying something in free agency, maybe

605
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: look at the draft and if the positions not any

606
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 1: better in late April, maybe you give him a call.

607
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Because there's no rush for Jason whatsoever. You think he

608
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Speaker 1: would play somewhere else if they don't come to an agreement.

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Speaker 1: I think Jason's one of those guys that loves football,

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Speaker 1: and so I don't think he would ever want to

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Speaker 1: necessarily do it. But I think if his hand was

612
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Speaker 1: forced where it's like either you take this or nothing,

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Speaker 1: and he felt like that wasn't the right move for him.

614
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, there was another team where they

615
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Speaker 1: were like, you know, we'll bring you in and we'll

616
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Speaker 1: let you let you be that starting guy. You know,

617
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Speaker 1: we think we could value your experience, and our tight

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00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: end position doesn't have much there. I think Jason would consider,

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Speaker 1: especially if it's a team that has a shot at

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Speaker 1: winning a championship, because remember, remember you only get Once

621
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Speaker 1: your career is done, you can't go back and get

622
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Speaker 1: a championship. You can have all the accolades in the world,

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Speaker 1: but you'll be that guy that when all the other

624
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famers are there together and they all have

625
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: on their rings, you'll be the guy with only your

626
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Speaker 1: wedding band on. So I'm just saying, like that matters

627
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: to guys. I think it matters a lot to those

628
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: those caliber football players. Gotta be a meaningful role. Doesn't

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00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: necessarily have to be the starter, but it's got to

630
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: be a meaningful role, and it's got to be a

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Speaker 1: team that's got a chance to do something, a real chance.

632
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Speaker 1: How long is that list? What's meaningful to you? Then

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Speaker 1: if he's not starting, like like, you know, being on

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Speaker 1: the field for at least thirty percent of the snaps,

635
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Speaker 1: having a chance to catch play in the red zone, yeah,

636
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Speaker 1: having a chance to catch twenty to forty balls, have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to score some touchdowns, contribute to wins. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you would take a backup role with Kansas

639
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Speaker 1: City or San Francisco. Yes, but do they want like

640
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: they get that, I get that. I'm just saying, do

641
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: you think that winning a championship is that important to him?

642
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Where he would say, I'll take a team like Kansas

643
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: City where I feel like they can be in the

644
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: championship every game every year, and I know they got

645
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: to solidify tight in, but I can be his backup

646
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like it'll get me a champion. See.

647
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: That's kind of my point though, is yes, I do

648
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: think he would take that, but I don't think that

649
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: role exists on the Kansas City Chiefs because he's Kelsey's

650
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: not coming off the field in the red zone for

651
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Jason Witten, and neither's George Kittle. So again, gotta be

652
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: a meaningful role. I don't see that in San Francisco

653
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: or Kansas City. Gotta be a team that could win.

654
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, jeez, this is I shouldn't even say this

655
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: out loud, But like New England, if like if New

656
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: England wanted him to go in there and be one

657
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: of their five tight ends, assuming Tom Brady's still there,

658
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: I think he probably go for that. Yeah, but I

659
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: just don't think the list is very long, and people

660
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: are gonna say the Giants all day long. Are they contenders?

661
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: First of all, how much is he gonna get on

662
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the field behind Evan Ingram and also are they going

663
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: to be any good? So I just think you're probably

664
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: talking about two or three teams Max where he would

665
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: be interested in pursuing that opportunity. All right, let's go

666
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: on to the next topic, Dez Bryant. Jarry says that

667
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: he has not dismissed the possibility of bringing back this

668
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: as he thinks about it often in the shower. And so,

669
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: what do you think you think Dez is a possibility

670
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: to show back up with the Dallas Cowboys. I do.

671
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: I think, at least through camp. I think you give

672
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: him a shot. No, no, no, no, that wasn't my question.

673
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh on the roster, No no, no. My question is

674
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: do you think he has a real shot of the

675
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: Cowboys bringing him back? That's what she's saying. She says

676
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: he thinks he should come back now a chance. I

677
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: think he has a chance. I think they get him

678
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: a workout, and I think you see if he still

679
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: has it. I think some of that too, is kind

680
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: of the combination of Jason Winn and going back to

681
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: a Mari of if they sign a Mari and they

682
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: want him are to be their guy, and they're still

683
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: liking what they're seeing for Michael gallup in the growth

684
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: that he's making. What kind of role is Dez going

685
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: to have and is he going to be okay with

686
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: that role? Of they get a Mari and a maris

687
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: that go to guy or I think it'll depend on that.

688
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, he seems to be in shape. He's

689
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: very adamant about wanting to get back in the league,

690
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 1: wanting to play for the Cowboys. I don't see why

691
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: you wouldn't at least bring him in for a workout

692
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: and see what he can do. He's right here, he's

693
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: at the Start working out right in the facility next door. Yeah,

694
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: you want to jump on this first, I don't. I

695
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: just okay, I'll do it. I just wanted to make

696
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: sure I wasn't cutting off go ahead. First of all.

697
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: I want to stand up for the boss real quick,

698
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: because the shower comment it's classic Jerry, and of course

699
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: it wentn't but it wasn't meant like that, right. I

700
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: do all of my deepest thinking and problem solving in

701
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: the shower, Like that's where I try to tackle some

702
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: the stresses of my life. So I understand what Jerry

703
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: meant there, and I don't think it was meant in

704
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: any kind of weird way. A right, I don't think.

705
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think everybody knows that. I think

706
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: it's just fun when we go to break I have

707
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: a theory on that that I think people need to

708
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: be careful when they when they start saying that kind

709
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: of stuff and they kind of insinuating that that that

710
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: he was meaning something anything else than what it was.

711
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like he said, that's when you're you're thinking, yeah. Honestly,

712
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody was seriously do it's just fun, Like,

713
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: it's just fun classic, it's just classical. It would be

714
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: on the cocktail Napkins at his Hall of Fame already

715
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: is because he said, Troy Aitman one of those guys

716
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: that looks good in the shower right now, that's probably

717
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: worse than it is. I would think so, yeah, I

718
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: would think, so he's the best. Do you want back

719
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: on the team? It's not about what I want. Here's

720
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: what we're gonna get to that question. The question is

721
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys will have him back? I

722
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: have a couple of thoughts. Jerry hasn't dismissed it, and

723
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean it starts with Jerry, so if he wants it,

724
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: he can make it happen. But I think the people

725
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: that are closer to the minutia of these things are like,

726
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: they have taken a look at this and they're like,

727
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But then also, where is really

728
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: the fit for this right now? And we don't know

729
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: for sure what's going to happen with Amari. It sounds

730
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: like it sounds for all the world like they want

731
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: Randall cop back, but that's not written in stone either,

732
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: But like, where is it after you got those three?

733
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: There's eight million good wide receivers in this draft. I

734
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: just don't see the use for a thirty two year

735
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: old receiver coming off and achilles injury who's not going

736
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: to play special teams. And by the way, we've talked

737
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: about how much more of a priority they want to

738
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: make that this year. That was their problem. Last year

739
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: they had about eight guys veterans who have highly specified

740
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: roles who don't play special teams. So what you're telling

741
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: me is like the special teams suffer. They were awful,

742
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: and everybody wanted to be wondering why special teams so bad?

743
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: But that's part of it. I mean, that's part of it, right,

744
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that weren't on special And again,

745
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: and I love Dez so much. He was He was

746
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: probably my favorite player to cover during the time that

747
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: he was here. Really absolutely you never knew what he

748
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: was gonna say, and he would like he was very

749
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: he was friendly and electric and you just it felt

750
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: fun being around him all the time. And he also

751
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: especially a training camp, he made practice fun. He did,

752
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, he made it like this is kind of boring,

753
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: it won't be as practice and playing well and all that.

754
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, Michael Irvin. Then what you heard

755
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: of Michael Irvin and what he was to them in

756
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: the nineties when it came to practice time. And I

757
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: never bought the theory that he was like this crazy distraction.

758
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I like, we've covered that, we've beaten it into the

759
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: ground more times than we can. But it doesn't sound

760
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: like a super big positive to me to have the

761
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: most visible fourth receiver in the NFL. I just like

762
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, he's active on Twitter. He is

763
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: capable of, you know, commanding the news cycle with what

764
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: he says, and that just seems a little wild to

765
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: me for a guy who you're hoping is going to

766
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: play like eight to twelve snaps a game and just

767
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: have a very limited role in your offense. I can't

768
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: see how anybody and you didn't do that, But anybody

769
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: that would say, on one hand, I don't think they

770
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: need to bring back Witten, but then they would bring

771
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: back des I just feel like it's it's very similar

772
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: to declining players, you know that are now not going

773
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: to be the forefront of things, And is there a

774
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: chance that because they're so used to a certain role

775
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: that they may not be great accepting a different role,

776
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: and which I mean de Dez came out and said,

777
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: he's like, all I want is like the role that

778
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Witten had is you know, I'll take a backseat. I

779
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: can come in in the red zone. I can do this,

780
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: I can do that. I get that, But like in

781
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: the end, it's a young man's game, Like why wouldn't

782
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I just go draft Devin DuVernay, a badass who runs

783
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: a four three nine out of Texas Kim take he

784
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: can be my slot guy, slash jet sweep, slash, gadget

785
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: slash or whatever, and I'm paying him six hundred thousand

786
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: a year for four years as opposed to whatever one

787
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: year vet sweetheart deal I gotta do with Dez. I

788
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: just it just doesn't seem like pragmatic roster building to me.

789
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: People love that storyline already with McCarthy about the catch

790
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: no Catch game when he was still with the Packers.

791
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the question if they brought death back,

792
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: which and that kind of goes to my point is like,

793
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: how many fourth receivers in the league would have an

794
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: eighty person press gaggle at their locker the first day

795
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: they were available? Like yeah, and it's not like Dez.

796
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: It wouldn't not like this like malevolent, like toxic situation.

797
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: But it's just like, for lack of a better word,

798
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,479
Speaker 1: it's like a distraction you don't need. You're just like, why,

799
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: like your fourth receiver should not be like the second

800
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: most famous person on your team. That's that's strange to me.

801
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: So take me back a little bit and the fit

802
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: for the sake of the listeners, take me back to

803
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys made the decision to let him go.

804
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: What was the reason why they decided? What do you

805
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: guys think were the major reasons why they let him

806
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: go when they did? And let's put in that as

807
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: a caveat that they let him go when they really

808
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: didn't have a replacement option, Like they went into that

809
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: next year saying we're gonna do a by committee and

810
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have really a number one guy, Like

811
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: we're just gonna have guys. We're gonna have some guys.

812
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: So for them to be willing to say we're gonna

813
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: move away from him for this other just kind of

814
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: blob Why would they do that? Dak Prescott, they wanted

815
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: things to be Dak friendly and they need Dak is

816
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: a guy that he's not. He's not the most accurate

817
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: down the field passer. We know that he's really good

818
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: at a lot of things, but he needs a guy

819
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: that can run routes. Okay, and amarn Cooper can run

820
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: route I mean, and Cobb can run They run routes,

821
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: and Gallup is getting there too. He's really good at it.

822
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: That's never been a strong thing for for Dez, and

823
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: so I think there was too many times that you

824
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: were trying to force the ball. And when he was

825
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: younger twenty five, six, twenty seven, he could just out

826
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Dez you I'm just gonna go up and catch the

827
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: ball because I'm better than you, he didn't do that anymore.

828
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: Now you need to be a route runner. It's working

829
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: for Larry Fitzgerald because he can run a route and

830
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: he can still do that, and Jason Witten sort of

831
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: got by doing it as well. So now you just

832
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: have this freelancer guy that's the climbing and he's also

833
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: pouting when he catches one ball for nine yards and

834
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: a loss. It's not Dak friendly, and I think that's

835
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: why they moved on. So that being said, and the

836
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: eight million they say, I'm gonna say that's also bloated contract,

837
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: diminishing returns a game that relies mainly on athleticism more

838
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: so than being a technician. And then on top, like

839
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: all the stuff that made him charming when he was

840
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: in All Pro becomes problematic, Like you skipped your MRI

841
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: because you were afraid of what I would say, you're

842
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: late for meetings this like we kind of like we're

843
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: worrying about you more than we want to. Like it's

844
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: charming when you're catching sixteen touchdowns. It's not charming when

845
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: you're catching six and catching one pass for nine yards

846
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: and stressing out the quarterback and all that type of stuff.

847
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: And I also feel like there were times where, you know,

848
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: games where he didn't have a lot of catches. One

849
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: game and there are a lot of even you know, targets,

850
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: and then he would say something and then the next game,

851
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: surprisingly deck with those fourteen balls to him, but he

852
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: only caught like five, and you know, it was forcing it,

853
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: just because I think there was times that just felt

854
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: like he had to get him the ball. Whether he

855
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: said that it or not, that would happen. So I

856
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: just thought, you know, overall, you know, and the Cowboys

857
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: made him too, because they thought that their offense would

858
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: be fine without a lead receiver and it wasn't. And

859
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: they fixed it but with Cooper, but they did. It

860
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: was Smigo going on there over We don't we don't

861
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: need a guy like this. It's always interesting to me

862
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: that he's been so open about wanting to come back

863
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys after like a breakup like that. Well,

864
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: but also we've documentaries on thirty for thirty on guys

865
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, like, well he might need money. I don't

866
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: want to complete like we don't know, and I don't know.

867
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: I think guys get out sometimes and they realize you

868
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: talked about it earlier about self awareness, you think everybody

869
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: will want me, so go ahead and release me. I'll

870
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: be fine. And then you get out there and you're like, huh,

871
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: this market's not as lucrative as I thought it was,

872
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: not as many teams see me as how as highly

873
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: valued as I see myself. Right, So all those things

874
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: start to factor in. And now, especially after having you know,

875
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: sitting out the time he set out getting signed, and

876
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: then having an achilles injury, now having to work from

877
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: that back from that Achilles injury, right now, he's probably

878
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: having to really push to get anything to take him

879
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: seriously because of his age and because of his injury. Yeah,

880
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: and he's also putting stuff out on social media and

881
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: they say that phrase tape don't lie, It doesn't and

882
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: I agree with it. And this will go full circle

883
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: on the whole thing what Jerry said. I was also

884
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: told later that day Jerry hasn't seen those videos. He hasn't.

885
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: He just knows Deaz as he knows Deaz. I think

886
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: the people that are in the building have seen it

887
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: and they think this isn't really. I think fans look

888
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: at that and they're like, oh my god, is this

889
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: And as I was looking at I actually called a

890
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: friend of mine who used to do scouting type stuff,

891
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I'm not so convinced that he's

892
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: in shape now. Shouldn't say in shape that he's actually

893
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: better than he was before. And I don't think he's

894
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: even close to where he was before. And by the way,

895
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: and by the way, he never was a great route runner,

896
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: like he never was at the height of his career.

897
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: He wasn't a great route and beating his Twitter followers,

898
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: isn't there something? I mean, did I dream that maybe

899
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: he's beating his time? Thought? I saw where guys have

900
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: like called him out and said like, hey, I could

901
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: beat you. So they go up there. So the people

902
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: that are actually the people that are covering him are fans,

903
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: are fans covering There was a guy that called him

904
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: out and then they went and he I mean he

905
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: did abuse him like four or five times. Yeah, but

906
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: she was probably in like high school or tis. I

907
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. But then of course you

908
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: got to destroy them. I actually I asked Jerry, I

909
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the sort of toxic nature of

910
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: the breakup, didn't that sour you? Like do you think it?

911
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: Could you feel fine with that, and it was a

912
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: great answer. He was, you know, he's like I, it

913
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: wasn't that way for me. Me and Des are cool.

914
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: But he also he ended it by saying, like the

915
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: best of Des is the way that I remember him, right,

916
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: And I think there are people further down the line

917
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: who know what he is right now, and that is

918
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: not There is not a more Jerry statement than that. Yeah,

919
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: because any of Jerry's former players, Jerry believes the best

920
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: in them. It's the reason why we see so many

921
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: players around this building, not players, former players who are

922
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: still around this building. A lot of them had questionable

923
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: moments in their lives and he still has them around

924
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: this building and around this organization because Jerry believes the

925
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: best in this place. Also why the team struggled so

926
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: bad at the late nineties and in the early two thousands,

927
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: because he was given contracts to players for what they

928
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: had done and not what they would do. And by

929
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: the way, going into that number, I remember in two

930
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: thousands the salary cap was sixty three million dollars because

931
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: twenty one of it was dead money, and that was

932
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Dave Campbell's first season. Good luck Dave. Sixty three millions

933
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: of the keys, buddy. Yeah, all right, in twenty years,

934
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be what I mean, it's it's tooth, it's

935
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: too something right now. But if the new CBA goes through,

936
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna jump into the fours and fives and this

937
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: twenty years crazy. But I've been here long enough to

938
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: know better than no mine neither really can we get

939
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: we can do some work on that. Well mine did,

940
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I've been here long enough to know

941
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: not to completely rule anything out, huh, but I do.

942
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's happening with Dez. I just don't. Yeah,

943
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: I can't see I honestly can't see it at I

944
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: think that this is a typical Jerry's gonna always believe

945
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: the best about his players, and then that was what

946
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: he was, that was the frame of reference that he

947
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: was speaking when he when he had the glowing things

948
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,240
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949
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: I will be shocked if if Dez is on a

950
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: roster in the NFL when the season begins, Um, I

951
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: think his best shot will be season begins, get into

952
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: the season, team has crazy injuries at wide receiver, and

953
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: they say, hey, let's give it a shot, same way

954
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: it happened with the Saints a few years ago. He

955
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of just have to wait and see how that

956
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: plays out, and then he may get an opportunity there.

957
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our final break. We'll come back.

958
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: We've got to talk about Byron Jones and his contract

959
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Speaker 1: Byron Jones. Jerry Jones said during his time with the

998
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: media last week that there will be challenges in bringing

999
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: back Byron Jones again, nothing that we didn't know. What

1000
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on where they stand with Byron Jones.

1001
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of know it's probably not

1002
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: going to happen, right, Yeah. I think that I just

1003
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: don't feel like the Cowboys think that he is going

1004
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: to be worth what other teams do you know? And

1005
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: that's wow, I'm breaking news there. That's exactly That's what

1006
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: free agency is. You know. They just don't feel like

1007
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: they get It's not that they don't want them. I

1008
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: just I think they value interceptions more than that. And

1009
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: it's what sounds like when we when we got to

1010
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: talk to um oh Man defensive coordinator Mike Nolan. Nolan,

1011
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, I just I feel like it's not they

1012
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: don't value him as high as as maybe the market will.

1013
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: So it's too many free agents, not enough money. I

1014
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: just it's interesting their thought process behind that decision because

1015
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: so many of their defensive backs are free agents, and

1016
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: not only that, but who's going to be your starter?

1017
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like, do you trust Cheetoh after the way

1018
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: he played last year or Jordan Lewis. I just I

1019
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: guess maybe they have their eye on people to go

1020
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: after and free agency or maybe the draft that was

1021
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: just an interesting I'm like, well, they must have some

1022
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: plan if they aren't very hopeful of bringing back Byron.

1023
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: I just I guess I don't know how confident I

1024
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: am of what we have right now for what the

1025
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: future likelyholds. I'm gonna pick up the mantle for Cowboys

1026
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: Twitter because this is a debate that's been raging and

1027
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't know where I come down on it, because

1028
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: it's tricky. I think you're making a grave mistake if

1029
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: you measure Byron Jones purely by the amount of interceptions

1030
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: that he gets. Because Bob Sturm all credit to him,

1031
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: he found the stat among cornerbacks that were targeted fifty

1032
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: times or more last year, only Richard Sherman gave up

1033
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: fewer passing yards. Byron Jones is credited with allowing I

1034
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: believe three hundred and twenty nine passing yards on plays

1035
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: where he was targeted. That's crazy, and there's something to

1036
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: be said for No, he doesn't get picks, but he

1037
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: also doesn't give up a ton of big plays or

1038
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: big gains. And he's just reliably there, hasn't dealt with

1039
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of injury issues, had a very good season

1040
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: considering he did not have an off season or a

1041
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: training camp at all. I don't think that gets talked

1042
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: about enough. And on top of that, if the new

1043
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: CBA's approved and these salaries jumped the way that you're

1044
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: supposed to, why can't you sign all three of these guys?

1045
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: Like is there really not enough money or do they

1046
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,479
Speaker 1: just really not value what Byron Jones process the table?

1047
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: And that's sorry not to cut you off, but I

1048
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: think that's something that teams do all the time, where

1049
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we can't pay everybody. It's like, no,

1050
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: you can. You just don't think signing him is that important,

1051
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: and that's your right. But those are two different things.

1052
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: I want to see what do they do with the money,

1053
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: because if they go out in free agency and they

1054
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: go sign Chris Harris, let's say then I'm gonna say

1055
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: they Basically what they said was, if we're gonna pay

1056
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: top dollar, we want somebody with a better, true, proven

1057
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: track record. Right that I'm okay with that. If they

1058
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: don't sign anybody, if they just sign Anthony Brown and

1059
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: they say, hey, we're gonna roll this out and we're

1060
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: gonna see how this works with Anthony Brown and Cheeto

1061
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: in the draft pick and the draft pick, but beend

1062
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: on where that draft picks. Ye know, if we're gonna

1063
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: make that your top draft pick and he is a

1064
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: and he turns out to be a really good player,

1065
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: then to me, then to me, I feel again, I

1066
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: feel great about it because what they said was, hey,

1067
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: we think Byron Jones a good player, but for that

1068
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: level of money, we think we can get comparable services

1069
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: for less. Right, And that's where I want to see

1070
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: what they do with the money and what they do

1071
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: this off season. That'll let me know whether this was

1072
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: a well, whether I agree with the thought process behind you.

1073
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm completely with you, because that's I said that on Twitter.

1074
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: Is at the end of the day, I'm okay letting

1075
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: Byron walk because I have optimism that they will do

1076
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: something meaningful with the money. That money helps you bring

1077
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: back Robert Quinn ideal like, and this is ideal, Well,

1078
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: it helps you bring back Randall Cobb for stuff that

1079
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: as well, But then I would hope some of that

1080
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: money goes toward a good defensive tackle, not you know,

1081
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: not Stephen Paya from a few years ago, you know,

1082
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: not Nolan Carroll at cornerback like, and it doesn't necessarily

1083
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: has to have to be Chris Harris because that could

1084
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: be a huge contract, but a guy who's who's done

1085
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: it before. Same thing with safety, There's there's nine million

1086
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: experienced safeties out there, from Haha, Clinton Dix to Rodney

1087
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: McLeod to Trey Boston. I know I'm forgetting a couple

1088
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: of guys, but there are options there. And if you're

1089
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: not going to bring back Byron Jones, that money could

1090
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: turn into probably four players who are good enough to

1091
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: start for you and like really start again. We're not

1092
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: talking about Nolan Carroll, like better free agents than what

1093
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: we've been used to. If you're gonna do that with

1094
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: the savings, let him walk, right, But if you're gonna

1095
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: let him walk and try to bargain hunt this thing

1096
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: and then shoehorn your seventeenth overall pick into starting right

1097
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: away at cornerback. I think that's a recipe for not

1098
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: being as good next year as you were last year.

1099
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, I also throw this. I want

1100
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: to get your guys feedback on this. Obviously, Byron Jones

1101
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: did what he did? You threw out the numbers there

1102
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: of kind of how he performed this year. In spite

1103
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: of that, the Cowboys defense was what it was, which

1104
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us agreed that that it

1105
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: was a good defense. Is this maybe a situation where

1106
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: the Cowboys say, for what he does, it still doesn't

1107
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: make a big impact on our defense. We really need

1108
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: a cornerback who can get his hands on more balls

1109
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: because otherwise, if we just have a guy that can basically,

1110
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: even if you say he can take away half the

1111
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: feel we still got so many other problems that our defense.

1112
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: We really don't get the benefit of having that guy

1113
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: on that side because it's not really leading to us

1114
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: having a good defense. What do you think about that?

1115
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: I still just can't figure out what happened with the defense.

1116
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't I mean, statistically it was up

1117
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: at the top, it was six or seventh in yards allowed.

1118
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: They just couldn't get many turnovers. They weren't even you know,

1119
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: they were kind of in the middle of the pack

1120
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: and turnovers. Their linebackers played well at times, but not

1121
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: as well as you thought they would play. They got

1122
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: some pass rush with a guy like Quinn, but not

1123
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: as much as you thought from you know, I just

1124
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: I still don't know. I can't put my finger on

1125
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: what happened there. But so I to answer your question, yeah,

1126
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: he's a good player, but I mean he didn't help

1127
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: the bottom line of the defense. So I agree with Dave.

1128
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: If you're not gonna, you know, if you're gonna just

1129
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: let him go and kind of like they did a

1130
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: few years ago at receiver and just think they can

1131
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: piece it together. It's not gonna work. However, I'll say this,

1132
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: he's moved, He's he can he can be coachable. We've

1133
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: seen that. I mean, he can go from safety to

1134
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: corner and make it an all pro. If you if

1135
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: you love these corners is al coaches Al Harris and

1136
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: Marissa Linquist, maybe you know, maybe they can help him

1137
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: be what they wanted, you know, what they want for

1138
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: a cornerback. I would like to see how scheme changes

1139
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: this stuff, because I just looked it up. Ironically, Brandon

1140
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Carr didn't have any picks for Baltimore this year, but

1141
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: he had six in his first two years and that

1142
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: which you know, he couldn't get one to save his

1143
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: life the final two or three years he was here,

1144
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: he had like six the first couple of years, and

1145
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: when he was in Dallas, right, yeah, Well, I feel

1146
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: like he remember that big Pittsburgh game. I think it

1147
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: was that he had three. He had three each his

1148
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: first two seasons. Then right around the time the Marinelli

1149
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: scheme kicked into gear, he didn't dried up, which I

1150
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: don't mean to throw dirt on Rod Marinelli. He's I mean,

1151
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: he's a fantastic coach, but how much of it is

1152
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: scheme and how much of it his player? Like have

1153
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: the Cowboys really just not employed a cornerback who's capable

1154
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: of getting an interception for the last five years. I

1155
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: don't think I believe that. So I'd be curious to

1156
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: see what Byron would do somewhere else or here, what

1157
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: he could do here. It doesn't sound like he's going

1158
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: to be back. I think, you know, there was even

1159
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: a report that he thanked the Cowboys for helping him

1160
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: get to this point, it sounds like everybody's in agreement

1161
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: that he's going to move on, and I don't hate it,

1162
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: but I will hate it if they don't do something

1163
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: with the money that they're saving, because he's a damn

1164
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: good player. And to that point, I mean, I think

1165
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: when you bring that up that like, well, they were

1166
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: still a bad defense. Is like Patrick Peterson's been on

1167
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: a lot of bad teams. That doesn't make him I mean,

1168
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: he's worth the money, or you know, he's a declining

1169
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: player now he's getting older, but he's been one of

1170
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: the best in the league for like ten years. It's

1171
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: not his fault. He's on a bad team. And that

1172
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: all makes sense. I guess what I'm saying more is

1173
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: is it a situation where for our current constructed are

1174
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: currently constructed defense. He may be a really good player,

1175
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: but to pay him that much money means that we

1176
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: can't pay some other positions where we make the whole

1177
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: thing better, and we may need to say, hey, let's

1178
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: spend a little less there so that we can maybe

1179
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: get that defensive tackle, maybe get that safety, maybe get

1180
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: that game changing linebacker, whatever the case might be. What

1181
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: are the things that we're going to miss out on

1182
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: if we have to pay now a really a large contract,

1183
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: a maximum type contract to this cornerback position. I'm a

1184
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: thousand percent comfortable letting him walk if it means you're

1185
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: significantly upgrading safety, d tackle, bringing back Quinn, all that stuff, right,

1186
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: But it's on them to do it. They've been reluctant to.

1187
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 1: I mean, that hasn't been their mo for a while.

1188
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: But it also forces them to do what they don't like,

1189
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: and that's you've got to go into a draft, you know,

1190
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: probably needing a cornerback, and they probably they could have

1191
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: done that even if they resigned. Byron Jones, you still

1192
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: think in your first two days, you know, first three rounds,

1193
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably need to get a corner because you

1194
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: got two next year that are free agent. But that's

1195
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: also where I look at what Dave was saying about

1196
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: those some of those other cornerbacks that are out there

1197
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: in the free agent market. I'd be looking at one

1198
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: of those guys, maybe not the top guy. Maybe it's

1199
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: not Chris Harris. Maybe it's one of those other guys

1200
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: that are a little farther down that I get him.

1201
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: I get you know, maybe you go back in on

1202
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. And now that gives you a little bit

1203
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: of wiggle room, and so you're not forced to take

1204
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: up to cornerback if it falls to you, great, but

1205
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: you're not forced to take a cornerback at a specific

1206
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: pick and repairing apples to apples in what way? Eli Apple? No?

1207
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: I think it's okay. It's interesting there are there are

1208
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: bridge cornerbacks here, Like I think Byron is like the

1209
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: only guy out here that screams, you know, five year

1210
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: mega deal because you're talking about Josh Norman talking okay.

1211
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: Chris Harris is another one that could get a good deal,

1212
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: but Logan right, his age will be a factor for him.

1213
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: I keep to leave Prince Amukamara like, these are all

1214
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: guys that you could sign to a two or three

1215
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: year deal to cover you. I hope Anthony Brown is

1216
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: in their plans. He is, Okay, I guarantee he is.

1217
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: And I've said this before. That is my pick for

1218
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: the first player signed ellen March eighteen. I can already

1219
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: see the tweets. You know that if you could get

1220
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown back and then a bridge veteran Jimmy Smith

1221
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: from Baltimore's available. He's old, he's had injury issues older,

1222
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: I should say he's he's my age getting up. It's

1223
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: all relevant, But you're getting up Anthony Brown and a

1224
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: bridge veteran with a draft pick. It ain't gonna be

1225
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: a corner by the way. I can't, No, I can't.

1226
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: I can't run a four yard dash. Um, it wouldn't be.

1227
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be. I would love us, never will ever. Um.

1228
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: You know, it wouldn't be the best cornerback group in

1229
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: the league. But I could feel all right about it,

1230
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: especially if Robert Quinn's there, and maybe you sign up

1231
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: good defensive tackle to help you anchor that down. And

1232
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: there's ways they can make it work. They just got

1233
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: to be willing to spend the money that they're not

1234
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: spending on Byron Jones. All right, we appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: Join us. We're back next week. We'll have more talk

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Speaker 1: for you guys here on the break till then. For

1237
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Nick Even, Dave Hellman, Danny Serek. I am Derek Elton.

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