Speaker 1: I want to talk about something controversial that's been coming
Speaker 1: up more and more, which is photoshop filtering what we
Speaker 1: called in my day air brushing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: magazines these days photoshop or face tune or what the
Speaker 1: terminology is now, but basically, back when I was younger,
Speaker 1: it was magazines like Cosmo and Mademoiselle and Glamour, and
Speaker 1: it would be controversial and a conversation that people would
Speaker 1: look at ads and they would say, well, I mean
Speaker 1: she doesn't eat. Of course they show these pictures these
Speaker 1: girls don't eat. Plus they're air brushed, you know, but
Speaker 1: it was really not We didn't really understand how that
Speaker 1: could possibly work because we didn't understand how the sausage
Speaker 1: got made. That was such a foreign concept. And years ago,
Speaker 1: I remember, um I was in a PA ad that
Speaker 1: said I'd rather go naked than where fur, and people
Speaker 1: were saying that it was totally airbrushed or photoshopped or
Speaker 1: whatever terminology we used ten plus years ago, and I
Speaker 1: posted the real picture of my butt that day before
Speaker 1: what they posted, which really was not that much different.
Speaker 1: I mean, it probably was just smooth it out a little.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it reduced it or padded it or anything.
Speaker 1: It was a very similar picture, and I felt the
Speaker 1: need to do that because I can understand how people
Speaker 1: are frustrated. They're living their lives, normal people that are attractive,
Speaker 1: that take care of themselves, that work out, that take
Speaker 1: a picture and think that they can just post it normally,
Speaker 1: just take a picture and post it, which is what
Speaker 1: I often do, and I very often post myself in
Speaker 1: stories just the way that I look. And then people
Speaker 1: will say, we've had tons of plastic surgery. I've had
Speaker 1: a breast lift, and I get the occasional, not as
Speaker 1: often as I probably should botox, but um, years ago
Speaker 1: I tried filler. Um, I don't do filler because um
Speaker 1: it like bruises you and leaves spots in other places.
Speaker 1: So you can see if you look on my story,
Speaker 1: I'm sure when this airs, i'll show you at my
Speaker 1: sharp pay forehead. But I have not had plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: I have not had a nose job. You can look
Speaker 1: at my pictures from when I was young in high
Speaker 1: school and this is my nose, and people it makes
Speaker 1: people feel better to say, oh, well, you've had so
Speaker 1: much plastic surgery. And I get that, but I haven't.
Speaker 1: And when I take pictures of myself and post them
Speaker 1: on a beach, it's really my body in the bathing suit,
Speaker 1: and I can have a flat bud and you know,
Speaker 1: my boobs which did have a lift probably ten twelve
Speaker 1: years ago, to sag a little bit. I like that
Speaker 1: because it means that they're more real and authentic. I
Speaker 1: don't really care what I look like if I'm going
Speaker 1: to be in a magazine or if I'm paying to
Speaker 1: have hair and makeup, and things are sort of quote
Speaker 1: unquote supposed to look good, and then I don't look good.
Speaker 1: I get frustrated. But but believe me, even having hair
Speaker 1: and makeup on, I don't like the way that I
Speaker 1: look often because it becomes too sort of black Mscara
Speaker 1: And yesterday I had to makeup on and then I
Speaker 1: ended up in the corner of my eyes and I
Speaker 1: feel sloppy and I just feel gross. I hate the
Speaker 1: feeling of hair makeup. I really don't like it. It
Speaker 1: is what I consider to be a necessary evil when
Speaker 1: I am working and when I'm getting paid. But also
Speaker 1: because you're now competing with so many people that are
Speaker 1: really taking this to the next level with the filters,
Speaker 1: and the contouring and the air brushing and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So we're already competing with people who have ad nauseum
Speaker 1: plastic surgery, who can afford to have hair extensions, waste censures,
Speaker 1: plastic surgery, Tommy tucks, breast lifts, uh, lash extensions, you
Speaker 1: name it. People can buy it. So then in addition
Speaker 1: to that, which is totally inaccessible to the majority of
Speaker 1: the population, in addition to that, now you have these filters.
Speaker 1: So now people are taking a picture of themselves. They
Speaker 1: can't afford plastic surgery, and no cream in a jar
Speaker 1: is going to give you the same effect this plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: No matter how much people want to lie to you.
Speaker 1: Skincare is about consistency and health in your gin and
Speaker 1: not breaking out. But no one's gonna make you look
Speaker 1: like you had a facelift with a cream, So don't
Speaker 1: ever believe that it's bullshit. In addition, you now look
Speaker 1: at people's pictures and they don't look like them, and
Speaker 1: you know it, but you love the picture, so you
Speaker 1: like it and you envy it and you aspire to
Speaker 1: it the way that you would diamonds or jewelry or
Speaker 1: something that really rich people have so maybe it's not
Speaker 1: that different, but it's making people feel bad about themselves,
Speaker 1: and it's making younger women feel inferior and that they
Speaker 1: have to keep up. So as a mother of a tween,
Speaker 1: I don't want my daughter to feel that she has
Speaker 1: to keep up. I don't like the idea of her
Speaker 1: feeling bad about herself because she doesn't look like the
Speaker 1: pictures that she sees. And while much of this sexuality
Speaker 1: has been great in sexuality selling in you know, curve
Speaker 1: your bodies being more in and people embracing their curves
Speaker 1: and having a bigger booty, etcetera, it's led to a
Speaker 1: lot of butt implants and fake hair and fake everything,
Speaker 1: and then people air brushing or filtering or face tuning
Speaker 1: or whatever you call it and getting caught. So then
Speaker 1: they get caught and it's like, so what are we
Speaker 1: presenting If you're selling products that are about beauty and
Speaker 1: living your best life and looking better and you're showing
Speaker 1: yourself on a computer generated image, should there be a
Speaker 1: disclaimer that says this was retouched so at least people
Speaker 1: will feel better about themselves. I want to know what
Speaker 1: you actually think about this, because I was I'm doing
Speaker 1: the Kelly Clarkson show, and on the pre interview, the
Speaker 1: producer said, you show yourself like Kelly just in no
Speaker 1: hair and makeup, and you know, with no filters or
Speaker 1: air brushes or whatever you call it, and you know,
Speaker 1: we appreciate that, and and and what what do you
Speaker 1: feel about that topic? So it is a topic. So
Speaker 1: if I see everybody else with no black circles and
Speaker 1: everybody looking perfect, and everyone's butt perky and high and
Speaker 1: no wrinkles whatsoever and all of that, I'm going to
Speaker 1: feel bad about myself. And I'm not even vain. So
Speaker 1: what it going to do to people that are vain?
Speaker 1: And what's it going to do to young girls who
Speaker 1: are insecure about their bodies, battling with uh not getting
Speaker 1: eating disorders, having body dysmorphia, going through the change hormonal
Speaker 1: change parts of our bodies growing and changing, and feeling
Speaker 1: awkward about that. I just I think there's a responsibility
Speaker 1: that people, especially who are in the public eye, have
Speaker 1: to accurate body image portrayal. That's how I feel about that,
Speaker 1: all right, So I do want to hear about what
Speaker 1: you think. Please message me, please post on my Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'd just like to hear what you think about everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you. My guest today is Jamie simonof the founder
Speaker 1: and chief inventor of Ring. He created the world's first
Speaker 1: WiFi video doorbell while working in his garage in two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven. His company was acquired by Amazon in two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, but he continues to innovate and remain at
Speaker 1: the cutting edge of home security. Today we talk about
Speaker 1: the importance of taking a chance sign yourself, how million
Speaker 1: dollar ideas come from passion, and how hard work tilts
Speaker 1: winning in your favor. Jamie's story is incredibly inspiring and
Speaker 1: I think you're really going to love this episode. Hello
Speaker 1: where are you? I mean Los Angeles? So did you
Speaker 1: um move there? Where? Did I see you in Nantucket
Speaker 1: on the street? And you had moved there? But wasn't
Speaker 1: it temporaries? It now like full time or something was changing.
Speaker 1: So Los Angeles is where I live. And then we
Speaker 1: spent a ton of time in Nantucket this summer because
Speaker 1: obviously like there was nothing else to do. So and
Speaker 1: so your business has always been based in l A. Yeah, ye,
Speaker 1: Santa Monica. So I met your wife and I met
Speaker 1: your son. Does your is your wife a business person?
Speaker 1: She's she makes movies. Oh really, that's the she did
Speaker 1: the that's my movie posters. Bed. I'm in like the
Speaker 1: Poolhouse where like all the movies posters are. Did you
Speaker 1: have the fault in Our Stars? That was like her
Speaker 1: big movie? Wow? Um yeah, she's all the altbit in
Speaker 1: the Chipmunks movies, which is like made money. But that's
Speaker 1: like lesson, you know, like less exciting to talk about.
Speaker 1: That's pretty exciting in my house. I've seen them all
Speaker 1: many times, many times. Yeah, exactly, So I'm sorry. Through
Speaker 1: the show, which is about really success stories and mavericks,
Speaker 1: people who've sort of done their own way, nontraditional path
Speaker 1: to business people that it's been like sort of a
Speaker 1: circuitous root, and other people who may not be so
Speaker 1: traditional or could be corporate, find sort of their own
Speaker 1: toolbox to business through the similarities the commonalities through you
Speaker 1: and other people who have undeniably achieved success. But one
Speaker 1: of the things that we have that's sort of been
Speaker 1: uncovered here is relationship success. So you how long have
Speaker 1: you been married? That don't put me on the spot
Speaker 1: on that one. I think it's in two thousands six
Speaker 1: so that years okay, So a minute, okay, So you
Speaker 1: and I didn't. I didn't remember that your wife was
Speaker 1: also like undeniably successful. So how do you balance whose
Speaker 1: turn it is, who's where the fish are. Let's say
Speaker 1: that your wife had to move somewhere for her business,
Speaker 1: which you're in l A. So that wouldn't really necessarily happen,
Speaker 1: but let's say she did, or you would have to
Speaker 1: move to Silicon Valley for some reason. How do you
Speaker 1: balance what's more important? There's never the time that everybody's
Speaker 1: lined up, So how do you work that whole program
Speaker 1: of having and also just having time and not being
Speaker 1: sucked in? Because when two people are business people, all
Speaker 1: you do is talk about it and it gets annoying.
Speaker 1: So luckily, like I mean, luckily, the stuff she does
Speaker 1: is different enough from what I do that it doesn't
Speaker 1: like we don't have that we're not in the same
Speaker 1: sort of thing, which I think is actually like for me,
Speaker 1: is healthy because it's we're different enough that we can
Speaker 1: talk about what we're doing, but it's not like we
Speaker 1: know each other's like other people in the business or
Speaker 1: something with it. She's been, I mean, it's incredibly supportive
Speaker 1: of me and like what I've been able to do,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you can do it like I don't.
Speaker 1: It takes a village, like it takes the people around you,
Speaker 1: I think to be successful, and so like that support
Speaker 1: is huge. And then do you know, I like my
Speaker 1: son is the most important thing, and so to me,
Speaker 1: it like kind of works backwards from there and what
Speaker 1: about like connectivity. Grant Cardone said something interesting to me.
Speaker 1: He said, I have to work on me. I can't
Speaker 1: work on you, meaning his wife, like he works on himself,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna work on her. Which we often when
Speaker 1: we're not feeling great or edgy, we might say to
Speaker 1: the person with us, we could we could be critical,
Speaker 1: or you're doing that. You you you, And I thought
Speaker 1: that was interesting that he said that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like we don't. I don't think we've ever like thought
Speaker 1: about how we do this. Wow, that's good. Which is
Speaker 1: just kind of funny. As you say, is I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: like maybe I should like put more, but we just
Speaker 1: kind of I guess we made it work. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like we're I think it's good, um, but but
Speaker 1: it's funny. I just yeah, I think we just kind
Speaker 1: of like, I mean, we talked like all day and
Speaker 1: you know, like stuff and just kinda um, I've also
Speaker 1: always traveled from when I've met Like when I met her,
Speaker 1: I had a little business and was doing stuff. So
Speaker 1: I think we've always been in this sort of like
Speaker 1: we've kind of lived separate lives together where like we've
Speaker 1: never been like it wasn't like we were like this
Speaker 1: wrecking crew little couple like young and then like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden like started doing stuff like got it.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's what it's like, we just have always been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a commonality. That's exactly what Jesse's Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: that's why I was digging for that because I'm finding
Speaker 1: that I may I made you another show about that
Speaker 1: successful you know, the double entanga to successful relationship, successful
Speaker 1: people having successful relationships. So yes, just so you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I found, Like people who really let you
Speaker 1: be you and some of my best girlfriends because travel
Speaker 1: makes them more connected and travel makes it not insufferable,
Speaker 1: and people being honest about so anyway that that I
Speaker 1: just wanted to see. I think it's also like it's
Speaker 1: like not worrying about the optics of what people think
Speaker 1: you should be doing in your relationship is super important
Speaker 1: because like I remember people being like you guys, like
Speaker 1: you've been away for all this time, like how are you? Like,
Speaker 1: how is it working? And it's like I don't And
Speaker 1: then I'd be like, well, I don't know, like it
Speaker 1: it seems to be though, like it seems actually great.
Speaker 1: That's a great point because I'm long distance from Paul,
Speaker 1: but it works. But funny because were talking about Nantuckett
Speaker 1: and I'm in the Hamptons a lot, and you also
Speaker 1: have the factor and your kids. We have two. We
Speaker 1: have different kids, so my daughter has needs and traveling
Speaker 1: back and forth isn't always working for her. And we
Speaker 1: were talking about that this morning. He's like, I have
Speaker 1: to work, you know, I have to work on not
Speaker 1: feeling bad if I'm somewhere and you're not there, what
Speaker 1: would what would look like? It was so funny. We
Speaker 1: just had this conversation, um which fly like I do, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul good friend, but you know when went
Speaker 1: to college together for a little bit. But but you know,
Speaker 1: very upset that he did not ask his ring friend
Speaker 1: for advice before getting a ring. I mean, like I
Speaker 1: gotta I mean, I have to say, like I'm a
Speaker 1: little little hurt on that, so like I'm coming in,
Speaker 1: you know, a little hot to this thing. It's so
Speaker 1: funny because he did bring that up when I said
Speaker 1: I was interviewing. He said, all right, we'll have to
Speaker 1: ask him the expert on the ring, what he thinks
Speaker 1: about the ring. That's really funny. So yes, you came
Speaker 1: up in this conversation. So for everybody listening, Paul, my fiance,
Speaker 1: and uh Jamie are friends. And Jamie was also a
Speaker 1: shark on Shark Tank as was I. So we have,
Speaker 1: you know, similarities in our path and being entrepreneurial, and
Speaker 1: we sat together at a wedding and you're very funny.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming you're the peacock and your household um
Speaker 1: as I am, so all right, so let's get into
Speaker 1: what we really want to talk about, which is that
Speaker 1: was really what I do want to talk about. But
Speaker 1: let's talk about this too, okay. So where did you
Speaker 1: grow up and have you always sort of felt like
Speaker 1: you were an entrepreneur even though I didn't even know
Speaker 1: what an entrepreneur was until I was thirty seven years old.
Speaker 1: So were you hustling as a kid? Would you selling things?
Speaker 1: Were you doing bake sales and lemonade stands or things
Speaker 1: like that. I was doing everything as a kid you
Speaker 1: could do to make money. And it's funny that looking back,
Speaker 1: it's amazing how clear things are when you look back,
Speaker 1: but how cloudy they are when you're in them. And so,
Speaker 1: like everyone like I was like hustling. I would do
Speaker 1: like I would literally like I would grew up in
Speaker 1: like kind of horse country in New Jersey. I would
Speaker 1: shovel the stalls out from people's horse barns on the
Speaker 1: way to school, I mean, any cooking crook. I did
Speaker 1: everything I could do to like make money, and and
Speaker 1: so I thought I was an entrepreneur. And so I
Speaker 1: then went to Babson, which is a great entrepreneurial school,
Speaker 1: and they like I learned lots about being an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: And I got out and I started like businesses, and
Speaker 1: but looking back, I was not an entrepreneur. I was
Speaker 1: an inventor. Like what I was really doing was I
Speaker 1: was in the basement of the time that I had
Speaker 1: free time. I was in the basement in this one
Speaker 1: little room that had all my tools and all my
Speaker 1: RC cars and all this stuff, and I was just
Speaker 1: build I was building stuff, Like it's what it's and
Speaker 1: to this day is what I love doing, Like I
Speaker 1: love tinkering like that is like my my favorite place
Speaker 1: to be is just It's why I like having like
Speaker 1: a boat, because boats break all the time, Like I
Speaker 1: like everyone complains about that, Like that's what I like
Speaker 1: about the boat, Like I know it's gonna break and
Speaker 1: I'll be able to fix it. That's amazing. I like
Speaker 1: houses for that. I don't want I never want to
Speaker 1: really buy a house that doesn't have things wrong with it.
Speaker 1: It gets me aggravated and it becomes too much of
Speaker 1: a time stock project. But I'm sort of addicted to
Speaker 1: it because I just love to fiddle. I call it fiddling.
Speaker 1: So Paul will say when we go to the Hampton sometimes,
Speaker 1: like I'll say to him, like to want credit, Like
Speaker 1: I really haven't fiddled that much today, Like I just
Speaker 1: need to be always organizing something, fixing something, repairs something.
Speaker 1: Not the same way as you. I'm not an inventor.
Speaker 1: I am an inventor of ideas, but now in that
Speaker 1: same way. But I relate to that sort of fixation
Speaker 1: that you have with that, Um, well it was your
Speaker 1: did your parents have money today and still work hard
Speaker 1: in you or you were not giving you any money
Speaker 1: or is it just is it just innate? We were
Speaker 1: like middle class, mean we were like I like we
Speaker 1: were middle class, but we weren't like certainly not rich.
Speaker 1: And my parents are pretty not like tight with money,
Speaker 1: but like tight with like giving me money for things
Speaker 1: I wanted and so like I wanted to get a
Speaker 1: four wheeler and They're like, you're not getting a four
Speaker 1: wheeler and I'm like, I really want one another and
Speaker 1: then not getting one. So then I like worked and
Speaker 1: I bought a four wheeler. Um, like I wanted a car.
Speaker 1: I was so like I was very independent, so like
Speaker 1: I had a I had a bike, and I would
Speaker 1: bike everywhere, you know, before I had a license. And
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, like people lived ten fifteen miles away
Speaker 1: and I lit a bike over to like a friend's house,
Speaker 1: and the parents would be like, there's no way you
Speaker 1: biked here from where you live, and I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I spent like the last two hours, you know, like
Speaker 1: I biked here. You like getting immersed in something. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you like to do so think all the
Speaker 1: way and execute, Yeah I do execute. That is like
Speaker 1: I think one of the lucky side effects in my
Speaker 1: brain or whatever is that. Inventors a lot of times
Speaker 1: don't execute um Like there's great I people email me
Speaker 1: all the time. I have this great invention, this great
Speaker 1: idea and a lot of them, but they are great
Speaker 1: ideas and they hate my response, which is like they
Speaker 1: want like how do I get this out? What do
Speaker 1: I do? And I'm like, just go do it freaking
Speaker 1: execute like like you can do it, like like you
Speaker 1: the power is in you, and they hate that. They
Speaker 1: want the like Jamie simonov is gonna come in and
Speaker 1: just like you know, like like kind of the shark
Speaker 1: tank thing, like like just I'm just gonna like give
Speaker 1: them everything. And yeah, no, I know, but it's very
Speaker 1: difficult for many people. People have to really dig deep
Speaker 1: and go with their gut and find their gut and
Speaker 1: find their passion. But not everyone knows that, and that's
Speaker 1: very challenging. You knew you liked tinkering, So take me
Speaker 1: through this process. You probably had many jobs and then
Speaker 1: you you hit the jackpot or you created joan jackpot.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that was luck and
Speaker 1: how much of that was hard work. So I actually, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, so I did like a bunch of little
Speaker 1: businesses and people are like, oh, you're a serial entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: That's like so cute. I like pat me on the
Speaker 1: head and I'd be like, I'm not a serious. I'm
Speaker 1: a really frustrated person. Like I'm a frustrated human being,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to be doing a thousand businesses,
Speaker 1: like that's not fulfilling. I just can't figure out. Like
Speaker 1: and I finally had like a midlife entrepreneurial crisis, and
Speaker 1: I said, I said to my wife, I said, I'm
Speaker 1: going in the garage. I have a hundred, you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of ideas written down on my phone in the
Speaker 1: notes thing, and I'm just gonna start building them. Like
Speaker 1: I hate I keep getting into these businesses, but I
Speaker 1: want to just like tinker and I'm an inventor. And
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm done. I'm like, I'm so. I literally
Speaker 1: went in the garage. People thought I lost my mind.
Speaker 1: Were you financially secure or were you having noise and
Speaker 1: money money noise? No? I mean we my wife was
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron was making decent money, but like not
Speaker 1: enough for us to do that forever. Like certainly, like
Speaker 1: I had to, you know, kick it up. A notch.
Speaker 1: Did you feel did you feel a certain way gender
Speaker 1: wise with your wife making more money than you did
Speaker 1: at that time? I never have had that, like you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's good. And I think like true entrepreneurs don't
Speaker 1: think of like they're the most diverse, the most like
Speaker 1: because I think you like you don't have these like
Speaker 1: social structures of things that you think about because like
Speaker 1: you care about like getting an invention out doing like
Speaker 1: you don't like like those other things sort of I
Speaker 1: think like I don't. I don't know, I don't see
Speaker 1: them as much, like, yeah, you don't have time for that.
Speaker 1: You're just like in the zone. Yeah, like I want
Speaker 1: to go in vent Like great, my wife works, Like
Speaker 1: that's awesome, Like good for us. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: that's evolved. You're the simplicity and it is very evolved.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So all right, so you're in the garage
Speaker 1: for two years and then and we're doing like I
Speaker 1: mean I literally had like I did. I was trying
Speaker 1: to do these things called snap garden, which was like
Speaker 1: these growing tiles that would go on your patio. So
Speaker 1: I had all these tables out in our We had
Speaker 1: this tiny little backyard and not all these tables that
Speaker 1: we're doing, all these growing things. I mean it looked
Speaker 1: like a pot farm. Um it wasn't like it should
Speaker 1: have been a more profitable but it wasn't. And um,
Speaker 1: so we had all this. I mean, I mean like
Speaker 1: literally people come over and they'd be like this, like
Speaker 1: your husband has lost like you're going to work. This
Speaker 1: is like he's building gardening tables in your backyard, Like
Speaker 1: this is a disaster, like Christopher Lloyd and Black Back
Speaker 1: to the Future. I mean hopefully yeah, like a little
Speaker 1: better looking, but hopefully. Um. And and so I couldn't
Speaker 1: hear the doorbell and I'm in like my little garage
Speaker 1: and I couldn't can't hear the doorbell, like and I like,
Speaker 1: I just got an iPhone and I went online and
Speaker 1: I looked for a WiFi doorbell because I just had
Speaker 1: to exist. Like that's actually an interesting inventor thing is
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of people think they've always invented
Speaker 1: something and it actually exists. I always think it exists
Speaker 1: and then I'm shocked that it doesn't. Like it's it's
Speaker 1: like almost the opposite same. I do the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what we're talking about the obvious things.
Speaker 1: I mean, the locality Margarita is the most obvious thing
Speaker 1: you've heard in your life. And I couldn't believe that
Speaker 1: no one had ever done before. Yeah, And so like
Speaker 1: the WiFi doorbell, I went to buy one, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: there must be a hundred zero no one like like
Speaker 1: just didn't exist. And I'm like, so I'm like screwing.
Speaker 1: So I go in there. What do I do? Like
Speaker 1: I'm a tinker, Like I take a camera and the thing,
Speaker 1: and I put this thing together and I throw it
Speaker 1: on the front door so that I couldn't hear the doorbell.
Speaker 1: Like it goes to my phone, and I shared the
Speaker 1: thing with with my with Aaron, and instead of her like,
Speaker 1: I mean this was horrible looking on the front door,
Speaker 1: I mean like you know, like the front doors, like
Speaker 1: the entrance to the home and like this little home
Speaker 1: and the you know, it's our little like starter home
Speaker 1: and like and instead of her kicking the thing off
Speaker 1: the side of the door, she's like, this makes me
Speaker 1: feel safer. This is your best best thing you've ever
Speaker 1: come up with, which is almost like insulting to me
Speaker 1: because it wasn't an invention. It was like I was
Speaker 1: just solving my problem for being in the garage, right right,
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, Like it was just solving
Speaker 1: a problem while you worked on the other inventions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I had real inventions. I was working on I
Speaker 1: got some other Okay, that's amazing. So when how many
Speaker 1: years ago was that? Two eleven? Okay, so what happens next?
Speaker 1: So I still know it's it's not an AHA moment um.
Speaker 1: I end up kind of like playing when it playing
Speaker 1: with other stuff. I finally get to this point where
Speaker 1: we like kickstarters going, and so we tried to launch
Speaker 1: our own kickstarter thing. We put it on the that
Speaker 1: that and then people started to like, you know, they
Speaker 1: started pre buying it. And it was when I heard
Speaker 1: so this this like I mean like a couple of
Speaker 1: the stick out. But there was this one woman in
Speaker 1: like Stockton, California, which is like kind of north and
Speaker 1: like the kind of suburbs like in the middle of California,
Speaker 1: and she emailed me and said, like I bought this thing.
Speaker 1: It's so genius because my neighbor's house got broken into
Speaker 1: and we're you know, I'm always away at the market
Speaker 1: or whatever, and like now if someone came and they
Speaker 1: rang the doorbell, I could act like I'm home and
Speaker 1: and like that would stop that. And I was like,
Speaker 1: and so I had thought it could do that, and
Speaker 1: my wife's saying it made me think you could do it.
Speaker 1: My worry was that no one would realize it could
Speaker 1: do that, and the cost of marketing that would be
Speaker 1: too high. And when I saw that people actually like
Speaker 1: naturally saw the benefit. That was so like that email
Speaker 1: to me, like I still remember, like we're like sitting
Speaker 1: in the garages and being like this could be something
Speaker 1: like like people are seeing the value of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it. And for people who don't know explain
Speaker 1: what the function is, I'm sure it's evolved now because
Speaker 1: because of Paul, because of you. I have one on
Speaker 1: my back door, but I literally do not own a computer.
Speaker 1: I don't own an iPad. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: download anything. I am literally I may as well have
Speaker 1: a Beta Max, So don't get upset with me. I
Speaker 1: have zero music on my phone. I am just on
Speaker 1: my own weird like nerd. That's the opposite of you,
Speaker 1: just in other like old school ways. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how to use it in what it
Speaker 1: exactly does? I know that Paul put it in there,
Speaker 1: somebody put it, and I've seen it because I see
Speaker 1: the logo and it's very attractive. I don't understand exactly.
Speaker 1: So tell for the dumb dumbs like me, and we
Speaker 1: may have a lot of dumb dumbs like me, exactly
Speaker 1: what it was and what it is and what it
Speaker 1: does and what happened. So the first ring was it
Speaker 1: basically allowed you to deliver presence to your front door.
Speaker 1: So when someone would come motion detection or they pressed
Speaker 1: the doorbell button, you get an alert and you could
Speaker 1: see and talk to who is at your front door.
Speaker 1: And so that was really the like and and that
Speaker 1: was in in the home security. The interesting thing was
Speaker 1: that everyone else that was building devices for home security
Speaker 1: was building the opposite, which is someone breaks your door
Speaker 1: open and it tells you, you know, like an alarm like.
Speaker 1: So everything was sort of the to, like the after,
Speaker 1: not the before, and so we sort of this idea
Speaker 1: of presence of being able to sort of interact with
Speaker 1: who's around your home was kind of like and and
Speaker 1: that was like when my wife said, this makes me
Speaker 1: feel safer, like that what the invention was the mission
Speaker 1: which became to make neighborhood safer. Like that was that's
Speaker 1: really like it's not the doorbell or the physical product,
Speaker 1: it's like the mission of doing that created a whole
Speaker 1: line of products then that that do that. I get
Speaker 1: it the concept. Now, So are you would you say
Speaker 1: that this is democratizing what security systems were? That's what
Speaker 1: You're the one who's pretty much democratized secure home security systems.
Speaker 1: I mean certainly we I mean just the numbers show it,
Speaker 1: like we we have more security systems. I think that.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, we're over ten million households now. Um, so,
Speaker 1: I mean like it's it's it's it's definitely done that
Speaker 1: and it's brought down the price points to sub hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to have you know, what I would consider like
Speaker 1: good security things for your home that you couldn't access before.
Speaker 1: I mean cameras. I mean ten years ago, there weren't
Speaker 1: camera systems were very expensive, and so we took like
Speaker 1: what was like on a high end home that maybe
Speaker 1: was you know, literally twenty dollars, and now you're you know,
Speaker 1: you can get the same exact thing for you know,
Speaker 1: sub five hundred. It's amazing. How so, so you did
Speaker 1: not have a partner, this is your own thing. I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was the sole founder. So you were the sole founders.
Speaker 1: So you start selling these I guess online. You did
Speaker 1: get money from Kickstarter, Like, what's that process to get
Speaker 1: you to being purchased? And how do you make the decision?
Speaker 1: I've been in the situation, not for what I believe
Speaker 1: like the numbers that you were talking about, but how
Speaker 1: do you make that decision to um, let go and
Speaker 1: realize that you're not going to take it the whole
Speaker 1: way and you're gonna get swallowed in legal bills or
Speaker 1: whatever the hell that I was thinking, Because you have
Speaker 1: to at some point let go, and you know, you
Speaker 1: want the street cred and the presence of the deal
Speaker 1: to propel you. So how does that whole process work? So,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we we started Kickstarter, get some
Speaker 1: money going, thought it was enough to get it actually going.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I ended up like going deep in the
Speaker 1: hole with the thing. Um, you know, it was a
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Like so, and in Shark Tank, I get
Speaker 1: lucky to sort of somehouse sort of all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm like on Shark Tank and I, you know, figure
Speaker 1: we're gonna get money there as a regular person. That's
Speaker 1: so funny that I was on the Apprentice as a
Speaker 1: regular contestant and then later you know, now I have
Speaker 1: my own show. That's kind of you know, picking a
Speaker 1: person to work for me. And that you were on
Speaker 1: Shark Tank as a picture and then you became a shark.
Speaker 1: So that's very fascinating interesting. Okay, so yeah, you were
Speaker 1: on I forgot you were on Shark Tank pitching this
Speaker 1: idea and like I was legitimately out of Moneyne did money.
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban I was certain was going to invest and
Speaker 1: was out in like within five seconds of me being
Speaker 1: out there, like after my pitch, like he was like
Speaker 1: this is great. Why he said he couldn't see it
Speaker 1: being big. I had the same experience. So that's really
Speaker 1: good for people to hear too, that you will here
Speaker 1: know so much. You have to just dig down deep
Speaker 1: and know if you have a good idea, you're right.
Speaker 1: Who would think you did not think of a billion
Speaker 1: dollar day? You would never even dream that big. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because Jesse Hitzler says, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think you want to have a billion dollar Ida
Speaker 1: and think about the end zone. I was like you,
Speaker 1: I just wanted it to be successful, make some money
Speaker 1: on it. But I think when you look at like
Speaker 1: the best businesses that have occurred over the last twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years, they've come like Uber. You know, like Garrett
Speaker 1: Camp starts Uber. He starts it because he can't get
Speaker 1: cars in San Francisco and he's like a single guy's
Speaker 1: going out, like he can't get like a car, and
Speaker 1: it's always like he's a kind of a geek, and
Speaker 1: so he, like you know, creates this little app and
Speaker 1: does the thing for himself. And people thought it was
Speaker 1: tiny because like how many people need to get black
Speaker 1: cars on an app? Like what like the total black
Speaker 1: car business is only x, the total taxi business only one,
Speaker 1: and so you know, but then and so Uber, you know,
Speaker 1: became a thing. So I think it is. But it's
Speaker 1: like you have to have a passion for it. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you are, and it sounds like you're one
Speaker 1: of the few people that I've had here that I
Speaker 1: could probably say the percentage of you being lucky is
Speaker 1: a lot smaller than you being smart. And I'm counting
Speaker 1: passion and drive and all that in it would you agree?
Speaker 1: So I I do look at luck as a like
Speaker 1: the lottery, and every hour of work you put in
Speaker 1: you get another ticket and you're never guaranteed to win.
Speaker 1: But if you put like more and more hours in,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get more lottery tickets and at some point,
Speaker 1: like you are tilting the like in your favor the
Speaker 1: chance of winning. But I think that, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so many things that almost went wrong. I mean right
Speaker 1: when we were selling to Amazon, like right before that,
Speaker 1: we almost tank the business, um like literally like I
Speaker 1: mean like like the difference was like sixty days of
Speaker 1: how do I have to sell my house and what
Speaker 1: what can I get to like signing a term sheet
Speaker 1: with Amazon to sell it for over a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get what you're saying because people
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, if they could just find a way
Speaker 1: to survive, they will This could be a gold rush
Speaker 1: and they will thrive. But there's a day could make
Speaker 1: the difference. A week in a business right now can
Speaker 1: make a difference between failure and utter success. Like it's
Speaker 1: literally black and white. Yeah, you could literally open everything
Speaker 1: could be open next week, like and it's like you
Speaker 1: just made it another week and so but that's to me,
Speaker 1: that's luck. I mean it's not you can't fault someone
Speaker 1: like if we had gone under, like it is what
Speaker 1: it is, but you know then you just keep working
Speaker 1: harder and harder. And what I did is like I
Speaker 1: went on QBC and I saw I was like, literally,
Speaker 1: I mean to like almost, I mean, you're you do
Speaker 1: the same thing. Like I don't think people realize how
Speaker 1: hard it is to do that, like that live TV.
Speaker 1: Selling is like it's like it's like donating blood. It
Speaker 1: is so hard. It's crazy, you're selling your set. You
Speaker 1: I'll say it to myself. It's been four I could
Speaker 1: be in like California right now in an airplane. I've
Speaker 1: been talking for hours in a row. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I know, like it's but like I I went on
Speaker 1: like when the things are, they're worse, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: we need to sell. Like I'm on there and I
Speaker 1: am just like drinking. I'm drinking red Bull and T
Speaker 1: like T for my throat, red Bull for like the thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I mean, it's it's just I know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Well you have that you got and people
Speaker 1: have to know whether you're a corporate person or whether
Speaker 1: you're a maverick. Neither is wrong. You could be successful
Speaker 1: in both. But some people don't have that thing where
Speaker 1: they just are hungry in that way. You're in the zone.
Speaker 1: No one else understands it. And so know if you are,
Speaker 1: or no, if you don't, because to be an entrepreneur
Speaker 1: you have to have that. It's just that's the one
Speaker 1: thing you have to have that there's no no and
Speaker 1: that drive and you have no reason to know that yes,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. No no, no reason. You didn't go
Speaker 1: through four years of law school and then you're three
Speaker 1: years and then you get to be a lawyer, or
Speaker 1: four years and then you get to be a doctor.
Speaker 1: You could be at zero after five years of doing
Speaker 1: the same ship in your garage. So you gotta have
Speaker 1: that blind faith. What did you honestly think of the
Speaker 1: experience on Shark Tank. It was amazing. I mean it was,
Speaker 1: you know, like it made my sort of career. It
Speaker 1: gave us credibility and awareness. It was it was I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a huge moment, Like it was like as
Speaker 1: a I would say, it's like a you know, an
Speaker 1: amateur athlete going to the Olympics, like like that's what
Speaker 1: it felt like. You know, it was like that kind
Speaker 1: of credibility that it gave you going on Shark Tank
Speaker 1: as someone who like went on and then built the
Speaker 1: largest company ever to go on and then being like
Speaker 1: that to me is like unreal, Like it literally is
Speaker 1: like an out of body experience. So that was the
Speaker 1: number one thing, like not a cover of a magazine
Speaker 1: or whatever. That was the number thing one thing in
Speaker 1: your career so far that has really said, Wow, the
Speaker 1: Emperor has closed. Yeah, I'd say, and it maybe even
Speaker 1: like by by a lot, because I don't like goals
Speaker 1: because they again, they create ceilings. And I would say,
Speaker 1: like if I had gotten you know, I was about
Speaker 1: to go on Shark Tank, if I had said to you, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going on Shark Tank next week, and guess what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so successful, but I had to come
Speaker 1: back and be a shark, he'd be like this guy
Speaker 1: is smoking, like like this guy's out of his mind,
Speaker 1: like like walk before you run, kid, And so he
Speaker 1: never set goals that are like as high as what
Speaker 1: you could actually achieve. That's a full circle moment and
Speaker 1: you'll have more. But I get that too, because I've
Speaker 1: had some crazy stuff happen. And I had a similar
Speaker 1: experience only because I was on The Apprentice with Mark
Speaker 1: Burnett and that's the first time I saw him since
Speaker 1: I was just a regular broke person in a studio.
Speaker 1: I kea furnished apartment. And the first time I saw
Speaker 1: Mark Burnett since that experience was at that press thing
Speaker 1: for being a Shark and I he was like, we
Speaker 1: both were freaked out. We're just like, this is a
Speaker 1: full circle moment. So I I it's good to cherish
Speaker 1: those moments. It's good to really be humbled by things
Speaker 1: like that. It's nice that you feel that way because
Speaker 1: those are the best things. They don't it's not money,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not you deal with Amazon, which is insane,
Speaker 1: But it's those moments that you're like, I'm real, it's real.
Speaker 1: It's got to be real. And I think it goes
Speaker 1: into what you were saying about, like the pushing and
Speaker 1: going past the nose and everything. It's like people see
Speaker 1: that and I think they think that it's something that
Speaker 1: like maybe that you or I have that they don't have.
Speaker 1: And I think what it is when you find your passion,
Speaker 1: you are not willing to take note. Like if if
Speaker 1: you believe in something, you're not willing to take no.
Speaker 1: And so I think the problem is a lot of
Speaker 1: times when you're a mercenary in your transaction and like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this business to make a million dollars,
Speaker 1: Like that's not something that like you're gonna push through
Speaker 1: a note you gotta be like it's it's like you
Speaker 1: do it because like you have that just that like
Speaker 1: you love what that is and you need to win
Speaker 1: at it and you need to do it and you
Speaker 1: need to like you're doing it for someone else or
Speaker 1: something else, and like it's like that's the it's like
Speaker 1: building blocks. You're just doing one thing that you love
Speaker 1: executing and then you get to the next thing. I
Speaker 1: that that's some people have a different style, but I
Speaker 1: relate to what exactly what you're talking about? Have you? Um, so,
Speaker 1: how did you know how to went to hold and
Speaker 1: went to fold and how much to keep in the deal?
Speaker 1: How to do the whole thing? Like and who and
Speaker 1: did you ever meet Jeff Bezos? Does he think that
Speaker 1: you're great? Like what's that whole getting a call from Amazon?
Speaker 1: Or how did that whole thing go? Down, so they
Speaker 1: it took a while. We've been working with them and
Speaker 1: doing stuff like because we had the video and they
Speaker 1: had the audio with Alexa and they wanted to like
Speaker 1: so just as a business we were like working with them.
Speaker 1: Over time. I loved their culture, like the their culture
Speaker 1: felt very like Jeff calls it day one, like very entrepreneurial. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I love what they were sort of doing the
Speaker 1: people there, So I really liked it. And I'd always
Speaker 1: joke with them and said, like, listen, if I don't
Speaker 1: want to ever sell this, if I ever do sell
Speaker 1: it like I will, I'll sell to you like I
Speaker 1: And then would just like laugh like not like China whatever.
Speaker 1: And then and who are you talking to about this?
Speaker 1: Who are you saying this to? It was like this
Speaker 1: guy Dave Limp, who's now my boss, who runs all devices,
Speaker 1: just like somebody exacts there and stuff. I would just
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of say it like, you know,
Speaker 1: like you guys are awesome. I'd love to be part
Speaker 1: of this. And we'd always kind of laugh. And then
Speaker 1: that one of the corpse of people came down the
Speaker 1: corp development is like who buys companies inside of big
Speaker 1: companies and he said I'll have lunch, and like I've
Speaker 1: been you know, I've seen these people all the time,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like crazy. We go sit down have
Speaker 1: lunch and he said like listen, I think it's time
Speaker 1: and I'm like it was like one of those like
Speaker 1: really awkward dating moments which I have not been part
Speaker 1: of for a very long time. But so I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to do put a ring on it? To
Speaker 1: put a ring on it? Yeah, And so like trying
Speaker 1: not to just jump over and be like yes, you know,
Speaker 1: like let's do this, like because I like, any I
Speaker 1: wouldn't they'll say like time for us to you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like go have another meeting like I like,
Speaker 1: and so so it end up yeah, I mean so
Speaker 1: then that was the start of the thing, you know,
Speaker 1: and it took a couple of months and it was
Speaker 1: it was crazy as all deals are. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know how any deal gets done, like having done them
Speaker 1: on the inside the outside, having now bought like stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just there's so many intricacies and emotions, and it's
Speaker 1: my belief that deals get done when they're jammed up
Speaker 1: and they're not getting done. You get on the phone
Speaker 1: and you really hammer it out. And I'm not against lawyers,
Speaker 1: A lot of people against lawyers, but I just don't
Speaker 1: think they know how to communicate like people because everything
Speaker 1: is about killer be killed, and they don't want their
Speaker 1: clients to fucking come after them when they don't hammer
Speaker 1: down a point right, And you often get on with
Speaker 1: the person. I just did a deal, a great deal
Speaker 1: with I heart, and I had to get on the
Speaker 1: phone with them, like let's talk this through. Willing to
Speaker 1: give that, willing to not give that, Let's do this. Okay,
Speaker 1: me in the middle of that, you really want that? Okay,
Speaker 1: well I really want this, and then it usually can
Speaker 1: work out. But you can get screwed if you're just
Speaker 1: listening to other people. Don't assume other people are smarter
Speaker 1: than you. I think that's a big one, you know.
Speaker 1: So what what what is your function? Now? Like? What
Speaker 1: is your title? Obviously they wanted you, they didn't want
Speaker 1: it without you. You are it, You run it, you
Speaker 1: are the mastermind behind it. So what are you? So?
Speaker 1: I still I've called myself at Ring the chief inventor
Speaker 1: from now the beginning, so I've always been kind of
Speaker 1: made up my own title chief inventor. I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not an operator. I never have been, and so it
Speaker 1: was part of like, again, my success was not trying
Speaker 1: to tell my team, hey, I'm an operator, I'm a CEO,
Speaker 1: I'm a president, like and there are people that are that.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just not. And so I'm still the
Speaker 1: chief inventor at Ring. You know, it's super busy, like
Speaker 1: running it, focused on it, still doing it. It's now
Speaker 1: been over three years since the purchase, and we've been
Speaker 1: growing and delivering great products and still inventing crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: which is super like that's my passion is like getting
Speaker 1: into the products. So like after this, I'll be on
Speaker 1: calls all day going into like issues with why a
Speaker 1: sensor on our drone is not functioning the way it
Speaker 1: should and figuring that out. So I like to geek
Speaker 1: out all that stuff. So you're doing what you love.
Speaker 1: Does your son like it? My son, yeah, he's I
Speaker 1: mean he's twelve, so he's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a twelve year old who likes basketball, football, those
Speaker 1: kind of things. But but we just we actually just
Speaker 1: in Nantucket when you got this little coffee shop now,
Speaker 1: and so he's really excited about like working like he's been,
Speaker 1: like doing the cash register and stuff at the coffee
Speaker 1: shop for business. That's his thing right now, is like
Speaker 1: the coffee shop, which is just fine. I think that's
Speaker 1: that's great. What can you tell me which one? Because
Speaker 1: I saw you outside of it. It's called Handlebar Handlebar
Speaker 1: in Nantucket. It's like a little little coffee shop just
Speaker 1: off the main street. I'm excited. Okay, So I don't
Speaker 1: want to keep it along. You're very busy. So how
Speaker 1: has two questions? And that's it? So about home security
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, what the trends and the data says,
Speaker 1: and then also about how important e commerce has been
Speaker 1: during this pandemic and what would have happened to your
Speaker 1: business in your mind if you didn't have a really
Speaker 1: strong e commerce presence because a lot of people here
Speaker 1: I am really trying to drill into them to really
Speaker 1: gear up their e commerce. And even myself, I'd just
Speaker 1: launched my own marketplace because I had not had a
Speaker 1: great presence, to be honest, and it was like I
Speaker 1: was a dinosaur. And it takes a lot of work
Speaker 1: and you have to have it downpat and it's really
Speaker 1: important and for you it seems like it comes easy
Speaker 1: because you're tech guy, but for other people, it's not
Speaker 1: that easy. So I wanted to talk about the pandemic
Speaker 1: and e commerce. The pandemic obviously for people that were
Speaker 1: affected by it. I mean there's people that have just
Speaker 1: been just businesses wiped out. I mean lost loved one.
Speaker 1: So like I think, like you can't closs over that. Um.
Speaker 1: From our side as a business, you know, certainly tough
Speaker 1: to go through. I mean, customer service had to go
Speaker 1: virtual within a few days. Um, you know, thousands of
Speaker 1: people had to like you know, go from being in
Speaker 1: an office to out. So it was a lot of
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and proud of the team being
Speaker 1: able to sort of make all through that without sort
Speaker 1: of losing anyone in the process in terms of like
Speaker 1: customers or anything that's happening. Um. People did focus on
Speaker 1: their homes during the pandemic. You see it in home
Speaker 1: depot stock. I mean, like people upgraded things and so
Speaker 1: there was a lot of that going on, and home
Speaker 1: security is definitely a part of upgrading the home. So
Speaker 1: we did see a lot of that over the last
Speaker 1: you know, twelve months. And then e commerce to your point,
Speaker 1: I mean I think you to me, I mean commerce
Speaker 1: as part of like controlling your own destiny, um, and
Speaker 1: so being able to reach customers and so somewhat of
Speaker 1: a direct manner, whether it's marketplace on Amazon or doing
Speaker 1: your own shop or going into you know, retailers, like
Speaker 1: but I think you wanna you want to be where
Speaker 1: customers are and sort of all those places, and certainly,
Speaker 1: I mean e commerce became critical over the pandemic, and
Speaker 1: I think we'll see interesting trends from that. As now
Speaker 1: people are like, like, my mother in law never really
Speaker 1: bought stuff online. Um, now she's you know, like she's
Speaker 1: an Amazon, Like, I think there's an Amazon box there
Speaker 1: every day. That's amazing. Yeah. Well, I do think that
Speaker 1: the pandemic has taught us things that we're so in
Speaker 1: shock right now that we can't really utilize them or
Speaker 1: understand how insanely important they've been. But later, when the
Speaker 1: dust settles, people were really just having just walking through
Speaker 1: New York City and seeing people that have complete outdoor restaurants,
Speaker 1: like it looks like they've built entire homes outside, and
Speaker 1: it's just you're proud of them for just being like,
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with this. I gotta put heaters and
Speaker 1: I got to make a real and through a winter,
Speaker 1: and like that sounds impossible, but there are so many
Speaker 1: impossible things that will be possible. So my hope is
Speaker 1: that it I hope, like if there's like one really
Speaker 1: great thing that comes out of it, My hope is
Speaker 1: that the kids that were taken out of school and
Speaker 1: forced to go on Zoom that for them it will
Speaker 1: democratize how they're able to get information that they've learned now,
Speaker 1: this way of getting information that's broken apart from sort
Speaker 1: of this institution of the school. And I really hope
Speaker 1: that that allows kids to sort of find again like
Speaker 1: their passion, find that like be able to sort of
Speaker 1: like break that open more, especially in areas where they
Speaker 1: weren't exposed to as much of that. And so that's
Speaker 1: like my if I have a hope that in ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen years, we'll see that this generation actually has
Speaker 1: amazing things that come from them because of this, not
Speaker 1: hurt by just being out of school. I agree. My
Speaker 1: daughter started eating salad, she started using these like plastic
Speaker 1: chef knives for kids, and cutting up and making her
Speaker 1: own set valid and doing insane art like books and
Speaker 1: books of art. So you're right, like it's there is
Speaker 1: a place of yes in it. It's just hard for
Speaker 1: people who can't afford to live to think about that.
Speaker 1: But for the people that you know are listening that
Speaker 1: have businesses, there is hope on the other side. Do
Speaker 1: you have um, like a mantra or any sort of
Speaker 1: thing you want to say that just close it out?
Speaker 1: Not a mantra, you know. I think having a mission
Speaker 1: that does something good for people is like, like, to me,
Speaker 1: that's like my macro. Like if anyone asked me, like
Speaker 1: how do you do this or how do you get successful?
Speaker 1: And like, just have a mission that does something good
Speaker 1: for people. And it doesn't mean like you're literally saving children,
Speaker 1: like you know, it could be like you're feeding people,
Speaker 1: you're giving them better coffee. Like it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be like a create but but do something that you
Speaker 1: really feel like is sort of making the world better.
Speaker 1: And when you do that, I think everything kind of
Speaker 1: starts to fall in. I like it, and it's true, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could do two things at the same time. You
Speaker 1: can make money and also solve a problem and help
Speaker 1: some people too. Well. I know that you're so busy
Speaker 1: and I'm so appreciative of your time, and I really
Speaker 1: thank you for being here. It's exciting. Well, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me and congrats on the engagement. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. From the ring master himself. So
Speaker 1: Jamie was amazing. He started his business in his garage.
Speaker 1: He's an inventor. He's an interesting person. He started from
Speaker 1: the bottom and he took a chance on himself. And
Speaker 1: he's a person who realizes it really does take a village,
Speaker 1: and that means working with and having a partner in
Speaker 1: your life who really backs you up and supports you
Speaker 1: and work and in all areas of life. And the
Speaker 1: best ideas come from finding a hole in the market,
Speaker 1: something that you would actually use and making yourself and
Speaker 1: then hustling like none other passion, drive and determination. So
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Speaker 1: hosted and executive produced by me Bethany Frankel Just be As,
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