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Speaker 2: Saints at the Falcons, Steelers at the Bengals, Panthers at

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Speaker 2: the Titans, Buccaneers at the Colts, Patriots at the Giants,

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Speaker 2: Jaguars at the Texans, and Rich I haven't thought as

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Speaker 2: we get ready for this Sunday around the National Football League,

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Speaker 2: I want to center on one of these games about

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Speaker 2: to kickoff between the Patriots and the Giants.

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Speaker 1: The winner of this game is a loser.

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Speaker 2: Winning this game is a losing proposition for either one

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Speaker 2: of these teams, because if you're the Patriots or the Giants,

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Speaker 2: you want to lose out. You want that opportunity to

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Speaker 2: have one of those premiere picks to hopefully find somebody

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Speaker 2: that's going to generate a turnaround in your organization. So

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Speaker 2: you got one of these matchups between the Patriots and

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Speaker 2: the Giants.

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Speaker 3: There's been a.

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Speaker 2: Matchup of a couple of Super Bowls, not all that

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Speaker 2: long ago. You were part of one of those. But

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Speaker 2: these are two franchises that have had some great history

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Speaker 2: that have completely fallen off the charts. So I dare say,

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Speaker 2: whichever team wins this game today is actually going to

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Speaker 2: walk off the field a loser.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, look, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't disagree entirely with what you're saying, especially when you

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Speaker 4: look how loaded this year's NFL draft is with quarterback talent.

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Speaker 4: And when you look at both of these teams, what's

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Speaker 4: the most glaring and obvious thing missing from the formula,

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Speaker 4: it's quarterback talent zones. Over the years, he's just he

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Speaker 4: hasn't really become what the Patriots were hoping the fifteenth

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Speaker 4: overall pick three years ago was going to pan out

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Speaker 4: to become. And sam could be said about Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 4: even though they gave him a contract and he look,

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Speaker 4: I mean this seasonwithstanding because I realized there were injuries,

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Speaker 4: and I realized he was playing behind a Swiss cheese

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Speaker 4: offensive line to start the season, and he was just

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Speaker 4: being completely harassed whenever he was dropping back. But still,

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Speaker 4: I mean, are we sold on Daniel Jones as a

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Speaker 4: top fifteen quarterback even on an annual basis?

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Speaker 3: I'm not so. If you're looking forward.

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Speaker 4: And you're not concentrating on the moment, and you're not

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Speaker 4: a prisoner of the now, and you're thinking about how

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Speaker 4: do these franchises improve, Well, the cheapest, best, fastest, easiest

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Speaker 4: way for them to improve is by having a pretty

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Speaker 4: high draft pick.

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Speaker 2: All right, And speaking of quarterbacks, Rich think about this.

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Speaker 2: So scoring is on the steep decline right now over

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Speaker 2: the last few years in the NFL. Remember a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago and you and I were talking about, Wow,

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Speaker 2: this is just a new golden age of quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. Look at all this talent at quarterback. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that anymore. We got a lot of quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: in this league that are going in reverse. Josh Allen's

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Speaker 2: going in reverse. I mean, right now, Patrick Mahomes is

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Speaker 2: twelfth in the league in passer efficiency. Now, it's not

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Speaker 2: all him. Obviously doesn't help any wide receivers can't catch

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Speaker 2: the football. But this idea that we were in such

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Speaker 2: a golden age of great young talent at quarterback that

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Speaker 2: is not actually panning out now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If that is we overrated the talent at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 2: spread offenses that are so popular around the NFL. I'm

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Speaker 2: not quite sure. But scoring is down the offense. It's

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Speaker 2: a firepower that we thought was there is not on

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Speaker 3: So what is it?

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Speaker 2: Because, as we mentioned, we've got we got about eight

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Speaker 2: going to take him to the Promised Land. What happened

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look around the league and see how

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Speaker 4: much flux there has been not only at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 4: but at the offensive coordinator position over the past two years.

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Speaker 4: And that gives you an idea of why some of

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Speaker 3: A lot of these.

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Speaker 4: Players, a lot of these quarterbacks, specifically haven't been playing

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Speaker 4: all the names you know, by the way, Justin Herbert

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Speaker 4: brand new offensive coordinator this year, Dak Prescott, Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, Matt Naggi is the new offensive court after

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Speaker 3: This year.

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Speaker 4: You look at Trevor Lawrence, new offensive coordinator and head

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Speaker 4: the NFL is going through this strange change of guards.

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Speaker 4: Not only quarterbacks but also offensive minded coaches are in

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Speaker 4: real strong effect on how congealed and consistence these offenses

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Speaker 2: So right now, the biggest game on the board right

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Speaker 2: now is this Texas Jaguars team is a game as

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Speaker 2: both teams are battling for that division title. The Jags

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Speaker 2: were expected to be there. Nobody predicted this for the Texas.

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Speaker 2: Now we talk about quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Stroud has stepped in and obviously had an MVP level

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Speaker 2: start to his season. However, however, three picks last week

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Speaker 2: that when you start feeling good about yourself, all of

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Speaker 2: not taken away from what CJ. Strout has done, but

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Speaker 2: it could be a warning sign of let's not get

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Speaker 2: You know, when they had some injuries and he started

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Speaker 1: You could see what happened.

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Speaker 2: But once he got his talent back, he settled down

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Speaker 1: All the work. So that would be my only concern

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Speaker 2: But at least there is a quarterback who comes out

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, not all interceptions are equal, and I think

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Speaker 4: that it is a common frame from quote unquote analysts

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Speaker 4: there it is too many picks. It's like, well, is

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Speaker 4: it too many picks or is it receivers getting hit

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Speaker 4: the air? Is it a fluke interception? Look, you can

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Speaker 4: easily have a three interception game if you're in a shootout,

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Speaker 4: which the Texans were in that win. And so I

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Speaker 4: don't hold it again c J. Stroud to have one

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Speaker 4: outing where A he threw a couple more picks then

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Speaker 4: he's used to throwing because he's only thrown five on

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Speaker 4: the season. And also, b it was a game where

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Speaker 4: they absolutely needed CJ. Stroud to get the victory. So CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 4: in my book, what I watched last game doesn't degrade

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Speaker 4: what I've seen over the course of his season. And

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Speaker 4: yet you're right, there are sometimes, you know, falsely confident

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Speaker 4: players in the NFL. I don't get that read from

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Speaker 4: him at all. I think this guy has a good

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Speaker 4: Tom Brady appears to have created a kinship with him.

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Speaker 4: The way he talks about football is the way you

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Speaker 4: want a confident athlete talking about his game. After that game,

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Speaker 4: he said, look, did Steph Curry ever stop shooting after

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Speaker 3: And if CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud continues on doing what he's doing as a rookie,

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Speaker 4: playing for a decade. He obviously has a long way

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Speaker 3: Great start, all right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm watching this Giants Patriots game. I was about

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Speaker 2: just punted again. Mac Jones is starting a quarterback for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots. This is an organization that is a complete disarray.

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Speaker 2: All week long, they were trying to hold out in

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Speaker 2: all I was thinking is does it really matter. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter between Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi

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Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about a non story either way.

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Speaker 2: Both these quarterbacks are inept in a system that Bill

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Speaker 2: O'Brien brought in as new offensive coordinator that neither quarterback

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you. I don't think

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Speaker 4: think it may matter in terms of predicting forward. Look,

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Speaker 4: Zach Wilson became a good soldier and fell right in

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I give Zach Wilson a lot

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Speaker 4: He wasn't pitch perfect with the media a year ago,

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Speaker 4: I think he won a lot of respect back from

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Speaker 4: foisted back into action. You see a lot of the

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Speaker 4: same old Zach Wilson. But prior to that, he was

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Speaker 4: a good soldier. I think they're trying to find out

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Speaker 4: if there's a good soldier in the quarterback room.

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Speaker 2: Well, they also have a question at Coach Robert Sala

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Speaker 2: I'm good and I'm looking. I'm like his record is

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Speaker 2: fifteen and thirty, right right, fifteen and thirty in three

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Speaker 2: But the idea that it doesn't matter how many games

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Speaker 2: coach with a record fifteen and thirty is secure.

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Speaker 1: In their job.

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Speaker 2: So I got news for Robert Sala And by the way,

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Speaker 2: his demeanor on the sidelines, I don't know if you've

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Speaker 2: Nobody likes field goal Okay, that's fair, and.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure Rich might have some feelings about our field

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Speaker 7: goal kickers, actually football players.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you see how I get a

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Speaker 1: field goal kicker?

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Speaker 2: I've never seen a worse field goal kicker than they

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Speaker 2: have this year, he actually missed more field goal attempts

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Speaker 2: than he made.

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Speaker 7: He missed last night a twenty three yarder. Yeah, and

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Speaker 7: well do you miss e It wasn't blocked. I said,

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Speaker 7: it wasn't blocked. I mean just whiffed, you know what

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Speaker 7: it was like. That actually is a hard you know,

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Speaker 7: because he's on the hash right, it's twenty three yards.

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Speaker 7: Think of it like this, guys, Like if you guys

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Speaker 7: have ever taken a three pointer from the corner and

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Speaker 7: banked it? Ye, Like it's that kind of angle. It's

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Speaker 7: like it's really challenge and yeah, it's it should never

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Speaker 7: have happened.

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Speaker 1: But it's all year long.

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Speaker 2: I mean nowadays it's just yeah, we'm a recent by

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Speaker 2: fire Chip Kelly. Well, it is trending right now on

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Speaker 2: I passed something about that this one's seen enough a chuck.

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Speaker 1: Yes, s he mailed in that game just to ensure

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Speaker 1: that Chip Kelly wasn't going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was unbelievable thirty three to seven last

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Speaker 2: night at home to cal.

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Speaker 3: You say he mailed in that game, So Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 8: Stay, Yeah, they want watch Kelly to stay at u

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Speaker 8: c l A because he's so unrest guys, the highest

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Speaker 8: paid person in the UC system six point one million

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Speaker 8: dollars for that slop.

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Speaker 1: Where do I sign up?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: Oh Man, I'm on fire to this mister.

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Speaker 4: Mister Hartman has an axe to grind my friends, I do.

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Speaker 1: I like this fiery version of Steve Hartman.

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Speaker 3: He's out his coffee this morning.

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Speaker 7: He has, he has, and so yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 7: field goals as far as the six games that are

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Speaker 7: going on in this first window of the NFL. Saints

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Speaker 7: are up three to nothing against the Falcons under four

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Speaker 7: minutes ago in the first quarter. Derek car Though has

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Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty two yards passing already, so he

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Speaker 7: has been moving the football, including a fifty two yard

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Speaker 7: completion to Chris Olave. Steelers and Bengals no score there

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Speaker 7: under two minutes to play in the first quarter, and

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Speaker 7: Naje Harris three carries sixteen yards a whole lot of nothing.

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Speaker 7: As Rich was mentioning typical Steelers there offensively, we did

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Speaker 7: mention the Titans are on the bard with a touchdown.

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Speaker 7: Derrick Henry did score and it's seven to nothing Titans

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Speaker 7: against the one to nine Panthers just seconds to go

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Speaker 7: in the first quarter. Will Levis ninety nine yards through

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Speaker 7: the air as the starting quarterback for Tennessee. And a

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Speaker 7: battle of field goals here between both teams Buccaneers and Colts.

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Speaker 7: Three at peace three minutes in the first quarter. Baker

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Speaker 7: Mayfield had come out of this game when he was

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Speaker 7: going for a goal on QB sneak injured, and so

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Speaker 7: Kyle Trask has come in for him at the QB

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Speaker 7: spots of something to monitor there. Giants and Patriots a

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Speaker 7: whole lot of nothing in this game, scoreless with two

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Speaker 7: minutes to go in the opening quarter, and Tommy DeVito

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Speaker 7: had a fumble Steve as you mentioned, so off to

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Speaker 7: a rousing start and then the Texans are trailing the

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Speaker 7: Jaguars three to nothing or late stages of the first quarter.

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Speaker 7: Here Trevor Lawrence fifty seven yards through the air, Travis

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Speaker 7: et and six carries and twelve yards. Guys, as I

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Speaker 7: said it back to you, I have a feeling that

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Speaker 7: we'll have some highlights next time you come back to me.

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Speaker 7: But right now it's just a feegal kicking clinic. Although

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Speaker 7: what am I seeing right now on my screen?

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Speaker 2: We are seeing the Falcons go into the end zone touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Bates the third.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, got me. This is electric guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, we will carry on befen you reload and

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Speaker 2: get ready for the next time. Once again, this is

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Red Zone Radio Steve Hartman and Rich Orenberger

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Speaker 2: com Quick college football.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 2: First of all, last night is very happy that it

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Speaker 2: ends on a positive note for Brady Hook at San

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Speaker 2: Diego State.

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Speaker 1: You actually got to see a rare win last night.

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep, yeah, that was That was big win for

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Speaker 4: the San Diego State Aztecs. It was on the call

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Speaker 4: their game against the Fresno State Bulldogs and the Bulldogs

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Speaker 4: finished their season with eight wins. Aztecs finished their season

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Speaker 4: with four, so sort of the mirrored image of each

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Speaker 4: other's record eight and four to four and eight.

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Speaker 3: And really it was the kind.

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Speaker 4: Of the deal this season with this football team is

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Speaker 4: they never played fully to their potential. They always left

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Speaker 4: a couple of plays out there, and in the finale

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Speaker 4: for Brady Hoak's coaching career.

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Speaker 3: They get the job done. So great sendoff for a.

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Speaker 4: Coach that had a great career over one hundred wins,

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Speaker 4: two times, named coach of the Year, once in the

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Speaker 4: Big Ten, once in the Mountain West Conference, champion three

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Speaker 4: times over during his coaching career, a variety of different

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Speaker 4: levels in the college ranks as a head coach, and

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Speaker 4: a nice swan song as they honored him pregame making

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Speaker 4: him an honorary captain.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, good.

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Speaker 2: Why I is to spend my mornings with Brady, as

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Speaker 2: you know, every single month, and during a really good

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Speaker 2: season they had that year that was an eleven win season,

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Speaker 2: So I'm happy for him. By the way, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: did you see the end of that Alabama Auburn game.

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Speaker 2: So we're sitting here, Ibram and I are sitting here

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Speaker 2: doing the show, and we were literally saying, or I

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Speaker 2: was staying on the air, when's the last time he

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Speaker 2: saw or heard a team with a fourth and goal

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Speaker 2: at the thirty one yard line?

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Speaker 1: So when is the last.

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Speaker 2: Time you're seeing a team facing fourth and goal at

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Speaker 2: the thirty one yard line? And Milroe was standing there,

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Speaker 2: there was no pass rush, looking looking looking throws it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he throws a perfect pack into the deep

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Speaker 2: corner of.

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Speaker 1: The end zone, touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Alabama wins the game and keeps their hopes alive of

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Speaker 2: making it into the College football Playoffs. On the college

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Speaker 2: football side FBS side, we have the ten conference championship

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Speaker 2: games next week and that's it and still up for grabs.

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Speaker 2: Which teams are going to be in the College football

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Speaker 2: playoff and who's going to walk away to that Heisman Trophy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, really, right now, for me as a voter,

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Speaker 2: comes down to bow Knicks against Washington simpol as that

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Speaker 2: you know, Daniel's season is done, put up huge numbers

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Speaker 2: at LSU, but this comes down to bow knicks. If

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Speaker 2: he beats Washington, he's going to walk away with the

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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy if they lose that game and Washington somehow

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Speaker 2: discombobulates a quarterback that has thrown unbelievable seventy nine percent completion,

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Speaker 2: thirty seven touchdowns, two picks. That's his numbers this year

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Speaker 2: through twelve games. But then he could throw it up

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Speaker 2: for grabs. So a lot on the line with one

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Speaker 2: more week in the college football season regular season.

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Speaker 4: You know, from the standpoint of a Heisman voter, you,

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Speaker 4: I know how you think about this narrative and winning

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Speaker 4: and team success matters just as.

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Speaker 3: Much as anything.

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Speaker 4: So you know, in the case of a Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 4: he was so undeniably talented back in twenty sixteen at Louilsville,

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Speaker 4: it didn't matter how many games they lost.

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Speaker 2: Well, they lost three games. RG Three's team lost three games.

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Speaker 2: And Tim Tebo the year he won the Heisman, Florida

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Speaker 2: had three regular season losses. So Daniels is not out

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Speaker 2: of it, believe me. You know, bow Knicks missfires against Washington.

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Speaker 2: Daniels is going to walk away with a Heisman trophy.

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Speaker 3: It's highly possible. I mean, he is.

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Speaker 1: Still ridiculous numb. He's second in the SEC and rushing.

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Speaker 3: It's like watching a video game watching him play.

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Speaker 2: I mean, his numbers are incredible.

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Speaker 1: That being said, I think bow Nicks is still in

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Speaker 1: the driver's seat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and let's just you know, fast forward to what

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Speaker 4: we're talking about today.

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Speaker 3: It's a Red Zone Radio day here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: It's Pro Football Day for us here as it is

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Speaker 4: every Sunday from ten am to two pm West Coast time.

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Speaker 4: It's this is what the projection is like these are

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Speaker 4: going to be the next crop coming in.

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Speaker 3: Which team is going to be making room for one of.

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Speaker 4: These stud quarterbacks at the college level and which of

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Speaker 4: them are going to work out? That is a crapshoot

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Speaker 4: every year because as good as these players look at

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Speaker 4: the college level, we know how difficult it is to

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Speaker 4: make this leap to the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And it still amazes me, even.

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Speaker 4: Going through it, having a professional career and seeing the

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Speaker 4: rigors of it, how few quarterbacks actually succeed at this.

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Speaker 1: Leftl That is such a great point.

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Speaker 2: And again those that do succeed ultimately are in the

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Speaker 2: right place at the right time, right they have a

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Speaker 2: system that fits their skill set. For a Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: he goes with you know, an offensive mastermind, and Andy Reid.

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Speaker 2: They already had a good team. It wasn't like they

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Speaker 2: were a playoff team with Alex Smith at quarterback. He

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Speaker 2: was able to sit for an entire year watch Alex

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Speaker 2: Smith and then take over the reins of an already

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Speaker 2: really good team with a Travis Kelsey with a Tyreek

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Speaker 2: Hill as weapons to use. I mean, I go all

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Speaker 2: the way back to Dan Marino. Dan Marino comes in

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Speaker 2: out of pitt As at bottom of the first round

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Speaker 2: pick and he joins the team. They just went to

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, so they had talent, and then his

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Speaker 2: talent was able to go to the next level.

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Speaker 1: You know, Joe Montana with Bill Walsh.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so many factors go into being a successful quarterback.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Indianapolis Colts, I'm, you know, trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out I We're going to see a lot

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Speaker 2: of scoring today. It doesn't look like we are with

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Speaker 2: these games, but the Indianapolis Colts have scored on a

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor run. Gardner Minshew off to a good start

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Speaker 2: six of a for fifty nine yards. Baker Mayfield's back

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Speaker 2: in the game. He was shaken up a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Trask came in for one play, but he's back

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Speaker 2: in the game. But Colts now lead the Buccaneers by

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Speaker 2: a score of ten to three. And you know there's

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Speaker 2: another team, the Colts. Anthony Richardson showed some promise early

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Speaker 2: in his rookie season season any injury, so now we

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Speaker 2: got to wait another year to see whether or not

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Speaker 2: it's going to pan out for him. And then there's

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Speaker 2: the Bryce Young situation with the Panthers, who are one

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Speaker 2: to nine worst record in the NFL. They're losing right

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Speaker 2: now to the Titans seven to nothing. They have no

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Speaker 2: shot at the number one overall pick because that belongs

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Speaker 2: to the Chicago Bears. So they're going to have to

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Speaker 2: play this out with Bryce Young, who is the number

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Speaker 2: one overall pick, and week every week we watch him.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not that he's void of talent. He

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Speaker 2: has some talent, but his stature is a problem. And

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Speaker 2: it just like every week we watch this guy in

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Speaker 2: action physically, he just looks smaller and smaller every single week.

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Speaker 3: I preach patients with Bryce Young. I do too, and

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Speaker 3: I do this with all rookies.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are very quick to

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Speaker 4: make their bold proclamations about a rookie head coach or

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Speaker 4: a rookie cor quarterback. This league is hard in experience.

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Speaker 4: It shines through in a lot of different ways, and

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Speaker 4: sometimes sometimes it just takes, you know, getting used to

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Speaker 4: your environment. Like we're just talking about with Derek Carr, right,

665
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Speaker 4: Derek Carr is a veteran. He looks completely different to

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Speaker 4: me in New Orleans than he did in Las Vegas

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Speaker 4: last season. If you look at Derek Carr's number. If

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Speaker 4: you look at the Raiders numbers offensively, that was a

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Speaker 4: top ten offense. He just there's just yeah. It takes

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Speaker 4: time to get used to your new teammates. It takes

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Speaker 4: time to speak the language of the coaching staff and

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Speaker 4: for everybody to get on the same page together.

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Speaker 3: And that's with a veteran.

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Speaker 4: Imagine the head rush and the crazy overwhelming feeling you

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Speaker 4: feel when you walk into an NFL locker room for

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Speaker 4: the first time and you're the first overall pick that

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Speaker 4: the franchise traded up to get.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about pressure.

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Speaker 4: My goodness, you know, so I preach patients with all

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Speaker 4: these rookies.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't look great.

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Speaker 4: But I will say this if you want, if you're

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Speaker 4: a Panthers fan and you want to calm down a

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Speaker 4: little bit, it may not help, but a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Turn on any one of his postgame press conferences. That

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Speaker 4: guy is matures.

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Speaker 3: He is a leader.

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Speaker 4: He sounds like someone you want leading your franchise. And

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Speaker 4: so if he can if he can start figuring it

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Speaker 4: out at this level, you could see a turnaround next season.

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Speaker 4: And also, if you want reassurance, go back and look

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Speaker 4: at Peyton Manning's rookie season.

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Speaker 1: Woolf Yeah Wolf. Speaking of Wolf.

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Speaker 2: Two games that were predicted to be offensively challenged games

695
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Speaker 2: Steelers at the Bengals, Patriots and the Giants, both games

696
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Speaker 2: living up to the hype. Into the second quarter, we

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Speaker 2: go combine those four teams have zero.

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Speaker 1: Points, right up to the hype. Living up to the hype.

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Speaker 2: All right, well we continue to roll on in search

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Speaker 2: of touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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Speaker 2: Here's car Now watch the throw in orcept at Jesse Page.

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Speaker 1: He's got great grass.

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Speaker 3: Fifty forty thirty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Strated up Jesse touch down Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: That's ninety two to nine in the game. Falcons Radio Network.

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: Falcons lead the Saints by a score of seven to six.

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Speaker 2: We actually have some touchdowns just being scored. Bengals get

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Speaker 2: in the end zone. Take a seven to three lead

710
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: over the Steelers there and the Jacksonville Jaguars, trying to

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00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: reestablish their domination of the AFC South, now have a

712
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Speaker 2: ten to nothing lead on the road against the Texans

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Speaker 2: as Trevor Lawrence gets in the end zone. So there

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Speaker 2: you go, ten nothing Jags right there. Once again, this

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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Red Zone radio. We are live from

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Speaker 2: the TAIRAQ dot Com studios. This is such a big

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00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: matchup right for Jacksonville and the Texans. I look at

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville very much like a look at the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 2: where they have coaches that have turned around the mindset

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Speaker 2: of organizations that just a couple of years ago were

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Speaker 2: at the absolute bottom of the barrel.

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Speaker 1: But are they ready for prime time?

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Speaker 3: You know?

724
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Speaker 2: I look at both the NFC and AFC right now.

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Speaker 2: Rich On the AFC side, I see the Ravens, and

726
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: even though the Chiefs have been shut out three consecutive

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Speaker 2: games in the second halves, which is unbelievable when you

728
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Speaker 2: have Patrick Mahomes, I look at those two teams as

729
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: the teams to be in the AFC and the NFC side,

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: he got the forty nine Ers and Eagles. Then you

731
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: got the Cowboys and the Dolphins, two teams sitting at

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Speaker 2: eight and three combined. They have not won a single

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Speaker 2: game this year against a team that currently has a

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Speaker 2: winning record, not one win against the team Warrion.

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Speaker 1: So to me, they're like they're the next level.

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Speaker 4: But hang on, hang on, hang on, you missed a

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00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: very important team and I think one of our steamed

738
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Speaker 4: members of this show is going to be very upset.

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Speaker 4: Chris Purfett and his Detroit line, Well.

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Speaker 2: To me, they're Jacksonville because I think that I said

741
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Speaker 2: at the top, the Lions and the and the Jaguars

742
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Speaker 2: have coaches that have taken them and turn around to

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Speaker 2: winning attitude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but are they ready for the postseason?

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Speaker 9: No, I think you're onto something. There's definitely like specific

746
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 9: flaws that make them. They'll get into the playoffs and

747
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Speaker 9: be able to maybe win a playoff game, but they're

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Speaker 9: not going to be a Super Bowl content.

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Speaker 1: Lions are not yet.

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Speaker 2: They don't have the defense level of the Eagles and

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: They may be at the level of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of the Cowboys and

754
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: the Dolphins because they haven't beaten anybody yet.

755
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: They just keep mopping up on bad team.

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00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: After bad team, which is fine, you're supposed to win

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00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: those games. But and then the end of AFC side

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00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: same thing. I got the Ravens, I got the Chiefs

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00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: still because the Chiefs are the Chiefs, and I just

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00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 2: don't look at the Dolphins and Cowboys on that level.

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Speaker 2: And then the question marks are Jacksonville and Detroit? Are

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Speaker 2: they ready for prime time?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 4: The Dallas Cowboys has always felt like to me, you

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Speaker 4: know how sometimes and like, I mean, this is an

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Speaker 4: experience that everybody had at some points in their life

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Speaker 4: where you meet somebody who you know, they're just kind

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Speaker 4: of faking it a little bit, right. You know, they've

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Speaker 4: got expensive looking jewelry, but you're like, yeah, but is

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Speaker 4: it are those real diamonds? Like are those real diamonds? Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, are we convinced that is that real gold

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Speaker 4: or real platinum? Or is that is that the fake stuff?

773
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Speaker 4: Like you just don't know. Right, you look at them

774
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: and you say, yeah, they drive a nice car, but

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00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: they never invite us over right with They're always coming

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Speaker 4: over to our house, so we you know, it just

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Speaker 4: sort of feels like they're putting on airs, right, They're

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Speaker 4: just they're showing off. They're a little ostentatious. They're a

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00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: little too showy. And is their substance is their real

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Speaker 4: wealth behind all of the flaws and and and with

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys, I've always felt that way. With Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 4: a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Well, i mean, his postseason record speaks for itself. Again,

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Speaker 2: this is an organization. I'm thinking, you know, when Jerry

785
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Speaker 2: Jones finally decided to put Jimmy Johnson in the Ring

786
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Speaker 2: of Honor, I mean, this thing was just comical. And

787
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: then Jimmy Johnson said, well, he always told me I

788
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: would have my day. But Jerry Jones is hoping that

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Speaker 2: this is a karmas situation, like the exclusion of Jimmy Johnson,

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00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: who is really the great architect of those three super

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Speaker 2: Bowls that Jerry Jones won, even though technically wasn't the coach,

792
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: but he put that whole team together. He's thinking, like

793
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Speaker 2: him keeping Jimmy Johnson out is really pissing off the

794
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: football gods, like this is ridiculous. You would not be

795
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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, Jerry Jones if it weren't

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Speaker 2: for Jimmy Johnson. So put him in your Ring of Honor,

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00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: and we will finally lift this curse that we have

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Speaker 2: placed on your organization, because not only they've not won

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl since the ninety five season, they haven't

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: even been to the conference championship game since that season.

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Speaker 1: So he is.

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00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: Hoping that somehow he has lifted this curse by finally

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Speaker 2: honoring Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll see. Look, here's the thing. I'm not superstitious.

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Speaker 4: I don't much believe that there's some overarching, you know,

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Speaker 4: principle that's guiding franchises.

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Speaker 3: It's people. You know, people create.

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00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 4: Belief, and belief is a very strong building block to

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Speaker 4: having great fortune for a franchise.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know if every.

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Speaker 4: Single person on that building believes they have what it

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Speaker 4: takes to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: And well, we're heading toward halftime right now with the

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Speaker 2: six games around the NFL in four games and the

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Speaker 2: books going in will keep you updated.

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Speaker 1: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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Speaker 2: That's Texans Radio Network, And just like that, they're back

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Speaker 2: in at trailing the Jags by a score of ten

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Speaker 2: to seven, six and a half minutes to go in

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Speaker 2: the first half in that game. This is Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: be so for most of these games. We're beginning to

827
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Speaker 2: get a little wake up call. The Colts, by the way,

828
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Speaker 2: have a seventeen to three lead over the Bucks. Gardner

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Speaker 2: Minshew getting into the end zone with a score on

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Speaker 2: a rushing touchdown. There, so seventeen to three Colts over

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Speaker 2: the Bucks. Patriots zero zero, Patriots j Patriots Giant zero zero.

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones has fifty eight yards, he has a pick.

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Speaker 2: He's actually being outplayed by Tommy DeVito. Ooh yeah, slightly,

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Speaker 2: I mean DeVito's They're trying to make a big deal

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Speaker 2: out of DeVito in New York and it's like, come on, please.

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Speaker 4: Well, I will say this, the whole storyline with Tommy

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Speaker 4: DeVito is intoxicating. Like if he somehow found found a

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Speaker 4: way to have like a Joshua Dobbs impact, I mean,

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Speaker 4: this would be the biggest story in the NFL. A

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Speaker 4: guy who moved in with his parents because he grew

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Speaker 4: up in Jersey, playing for the home town team, you know,

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Speaker 4: with a last name like da Veto, playing in New York.

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Speaker 3: He's a he's a true Tri State area kid.

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Speaker 4: And now he's going home to Mama's cutlets after the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, leave the take the gun, leave the Canoli.

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Speaker 1: Yes exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, but but it's not padding out that way.

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Speaker 1: By no, it's not.

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Speaker 2: You know, again, we get back to this whole idea

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Speaker 2: that every year, every single year, after a season is

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Speaker 2: over half a dozen coaches get fired, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: the usual.

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Speaker 1: Six or seven every single year.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then you go into the draft and

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Speaker 2: you got all these quarterbacks just littering the top of

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Speaker 2: the board, and he's thinking, that's the guy, that's the guy.

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Speaker 2: I just I've been watching the quarterback play this year

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Speaker 2: in college football, and it's a little skewed in the

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Speaker 2: sense that so many of these quarterbacks are now in

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Speaker 2: their fifth or six years as a college quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 2: I go back to dtr at Ucla, who's now the

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback for the Browns. And by the way, there

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Speaker 2: are forty six quarterbacks in the NFL that have thrown

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Speaker 2: at least thirty passes this year, he being one of them.

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Speaker 2: In terms of passer rating, he's forty sixth in the

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Speaker 2: NFL in passer rating. But if you watch him, he

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Speaker 2: started five years, like five full years as a starting

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Speaker 2: quarterback at Ucla to get where he was, And so's

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Speaker 2: that's the question. When you look at a Bonnix or

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Speaker 2: a Michael Pennix junior, or any one of these quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: that have had these endless college careers extended by the

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Speaker 2: COVID year, whether or not they're peaking at this level

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Speaker 2: based on being in the same system for a number

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Speaker 2: of years, or whether that's going to translate.

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Speaker 1: To the next level.

876
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is the outlier because I think his physical

877
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: talent the eyeball test just tells you that he's got

878
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: something a little extra.

879
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: But I'm not so sure about the rest of these quarterbacks.

880
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't know Bo Nicks, who you know, left Auburn

881
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: in a huff, transfers to Oregon and suddenly on the

882
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: Cospwell Heisman Trophy. If that's going to translate to the

883
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: next level.

884
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: But that's that's.

885
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: Why they pay these scouts, right, this is why these

886
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: guys make a lot of money, these general managers millions

887
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: of dollars because they're geniuses and identifying talent and whether

888
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: or not it not only translates to the league, but

889
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: specifically does it translate to our team?

890
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: Will he be a success in what we've got in mind?

891
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: And that's going to be the test because we have

892
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: a lot of teams right now that are hurting bad

893
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position and they need help desperately.

894
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

895
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: Look, I I look at football as as it's pretty simple.

896
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 4: It's an experienced game. Like think about how to become

897
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 4: a grand master at chess. Right, You're not going to

898
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: just be great at chess the first time you play chess,

899
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 4: because you have to learn the strategy of chess. Right

900
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: when you first start playing chess. You got to learn

901
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 4: how all.

902
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: The pieces move.

903
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, pawn from the opening, you know that

904
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: can be two spaces, but only one after that. They

905
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: can only attack diagonally, you know, with the Knights, what

906
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 4: is a gallop? Gallop step to the side, like, you know,

907
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: you gotta get used to a Bishops can only go

908
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 4: on the diagonals. You gotta get used to it. That's

909
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: that's like the elementary school version of chess, right, just

910
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: learning how the pieces move. Well, that's you know, peewee football.

911
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: What do the offensive linemen do, What do the receivers do,

912
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 4: What do the tight ends do? What's the responsibility of

913
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: the quarterback and the running backs?

914
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: Right?

915
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 4: Defensively, linebacker play all the way back to the defensive backfield,

916
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: Like you're just learning the structure of the game, and

917
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 4: then you get to, you know, advanced levels of football

918
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: where you are breaking down overload blitz packages and you're

919
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 4: breaking down personnel packages where only one defensive lineman's on

920
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: the field. With this package where they put it in

921
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: there one defensive lineman, they got six linebackers on the field,

922
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: my goodness. And what they got five d backs? What

923
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: do we even call this? And who do we label

924
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: is the Mike linebacker? Like you get into some really

925
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: advanced stuff offensively too. My point is there's levels to

926
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 4: this and the longer you're exposed to it, whether it's

927
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 4: chess from a strategic standpoint or it's football, which is

928
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 4: like playing chess with real humans on a chess board,

929
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 4: you know, one hundred and twenty yards in length fifty

930
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: two and some part of another yard wide. Like, this

931
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 4: is strategy and you gotta learn it before you can

932
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 4: be good at You got to experience the ups and

933
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: downs before you can be great at it. And so

934
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 4: to your point, Man, a lot of these players just

935
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 4: haven't had enough exposure yet and they're learning on the fly.

936
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: All right, Bill O'Brien is sitting next to mac Jones

937
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: after mac Jones just through his second interception of the game,

938
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: putting the Giants in a position where maybe we can

939
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: break this scoreless tie with less than five minutes to

940
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: go in the first half. It's funny Bill O'Brien just

941
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: sat down with mac Jones. Mac Jones is not even

942
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 2: looking at him.

943
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: Well, I think he's trying to talk chess and mac

944
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: joone still he wants to play checkers.

945
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's it's not working.

946
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: And I mean I don't I don't know what their

947
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: game plan is moving forward with the Patriots right now.

948
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, this all sits on the seat of

949
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: the coach. He's got total control of everything. He's the coach,

950
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: he's the personnel director. He has total control of this

951
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: football operation, including the hiring of Bill O'Brien, which was

952
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: going to give him a legitimate offensive coordinator, and his quarterback,

953
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, who looks so promising two years ago, is in.

954
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: A steep decline.

955
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can just see it's nothing's working in his

956
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: head right now.

957
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: No, no, nothing.

958
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at this game, you know,

959
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: just from how it's gone so far, it's been fumble,

960
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 4: punt punt punt punt interception by Mac Jones. Punt punt

961
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: punt interception by Mac Jones. Yeah, I mean it is.

962
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: And it's the sort of interception that is going to

963
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: get him benched. It's sort of interception that's going to

964
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: get Bailli z Appy put in the game because it

965
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: really doesn't feel like he's learning.

966
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: From mistakes at this point.

967
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 4: And I don't look, I'm not here to blame Mac

968
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: Jones for all of Mac Jones's issues, because, like you said,

969
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, Bill Belichick is responsible

970
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 4: for the product on the field. From a head coaching standpoint,

971
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: Billy O'Brien is responsible for the development of this quarterback.

972
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: At this point, it's not going well and so something

973
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 4: has the communication and the development of this athlete has failed.

974
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: Now is it all his fault? No, certainly it's not.

975
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: He had a departing offensive coordinator after a promising rookie year,

976
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 4: and then he was led by two competing offensive coordinators

977
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 4: in Joe Judge and Matt Patricia all offseason long last year,

978
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: leading into Matt Patricia being his offensive coordinator for this season,

979
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: who had never called an offensive game in the course

980
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 4: of his entire career, and then he moves on to

981
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 4: a new voice in the headset with Billy O'Brien, who

982
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 4: seems fed up already with him.

983
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's I mean we see him

984
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: yelling at him, but literally, I'm just watching after this

985
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: interception and Bill O'Brien taking a seat right next to

986
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: mac Jones and he's got his you know, iPad or

987
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: whatever he's looking at, and mac Jones is just looking

988
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: off in the distance.

989
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, because at a certain point, you know, you know

990
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: what it is.

991
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 4: You know, you know you're having a rough day and

992
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: you can't you can't put your finger on why and

993
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 4: how to fix it. And you're not ready to wave

994
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 4: the white flag because no athlete does that, No no

995
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: athlete who gets to this level does that. But somewhere

996
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: deep inside of him, he just wants the bleeding to stop.

997
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 4: And if that means he takes the rest of this

998
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: season off, while Bally's Appy gets to start these games

999
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: and he gets to get his head straight and potentially

1000
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 4: move on to his.

1001
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: Next destination if they decide to trade him.

1002
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 4: Or otherwise, well, maybe that's what's best for him right now,

1003
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: because this is not working. What's happening in New England

1004
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 4: is not working right now, and mac Jones, unfortunately for

1005
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 4: mac Jones, is responsible for a good portion of it,

1006
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: and he's at the center of all of it.

1007
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: Derek Henry, who used to be a dominant running back

1008
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL, is just a guy these days.

1009
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 1: But he does have a couple of touchdowns today.

1010
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: And the Titans are leading to the Panthers by a

1011
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: score of fourteen to three. Predictably, the Panthers showing very

1012
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: little at the offensive end there.

1013
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Giants.

1014
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: I was going to say, by the way, technically, if

1015
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: you're ever wondering what was the last scoreless tie in

1016
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: the NFL, it happened back in nineteen forty three, which

1017
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: is even before my time. Giants, after the interception have

1018
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: run a couple plays for zero yards.

1019
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: We're at the two.

1020
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: Minute warning, no score between the Giants and the Patriots.

1021
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: All right, we battle lot. I feel like it's a

1022
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: battle today as we try to generate a little more excitement.

1023
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: But you know what, the best is yet to come.

1024
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: It always works out that way. That's why you keep

1025
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: it right here. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

1026
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: David want to walk kut takes the snap back to throw.

1027
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: Barkley picks up the Blitzer throws it left, stiff farming

1028
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: his man as Hodgins gets.

1029
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: To the goal line and he's in for the touchdown.

1030
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: Isaiah hodgits stiff arm Jonathan Jones and put them off for.

1031
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: The Giants are on the board.

1032
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito says, Manja, that's w fan Giants Radio Network.

1033
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: Giants take the seven nothing lead against the Patriots. And

1034
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: by the way, we always talk about Bill Belichick's record

1035
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: against rookie quarterbacks, Well He's never.

1036
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: Faced anyone like Tommy DeVito.

1037
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: No, he sure has never faced anyone like Tommy DeVito.

1038
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: And the Giants have that seven nothing lead once again.

1039
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio, Steve Harbin, Rich Orenberger.

1040
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,279
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1046
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito.

1047
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: Well, Tommy DeVito.

1048
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 4: More like if Tommy DeVito loses to Belichick.

1049
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, let's let's be honest. I mean he's

1050
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: taking over the league right now.

1051
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. Passer ratings, Like, what am I going to lose

1052
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: to this?

1053
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: Belichick? Are you kidding me? Pass me more pursued.

1054
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sprinkle a bit more cheese on this managod,

1055
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: and now you're making me hungry.

1056
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 9: As an Italian American, I am like, this is yeah, okay.

1057
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1058
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: By the way, passer ratings so far in this game,

1059
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: DeVito is at ninety six point two, mac Jones is

1060
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: at twenty seven point eight twenty. That is unbelievable. Hey,

1061
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to jump in again. We are heading toward halftimes,

1062
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: uh in these games right now, by the way, that

1063
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: Texans are at the Jacksonville thirty one yard line, but

1064
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: they will now look at a long field goal attempt

1065
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: with a fourth and nine. Jacks lead that game by

1066
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: a score thirteen to seven. Biggest game, by the way,

1067
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: going on this morning, those teams battling for supremacy in

1068
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: the AFC South.

1069
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: I want to mention something.

1070
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan, our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider was asked

1071
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: by Brandon Staley's number one critic and there's a lot

1072
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: of critics obviously about Brandon Staley, the Chargers head coach,

1073
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: and I jumped in and I said, look, this is

1074
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: this is how the Charger organization works. He still has

1075
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: another year left on his contract. We've been down this

1076
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: path before. We were there with Mike McCoy, we're there

1077
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: with Anthony Lynn. They had bad third seasons and they

1078
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: were brought back the next year.

1079
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: Because they didn't want to eat contract.

1080
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 2: And Kaplan said, I know what you're saying, but it's

1081
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: different after what Brandon Staley did post game after their

1082
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: loss of the Packers, where he completely went off the

1083
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: deep end, where he literally was telling members of the

1084
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: media to not ask them any more questions about the defense.

1085
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: This defense, by the way, which has the second highest

1086
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: payroll on defense and is the second worst rated defense

1087
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

1088
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: And then he.

1089
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: Reverted back to the old lines of we had the

1090
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: right game plan, we just didn't execute. I got news

1091
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: for you, it's not the right game plan if your

1092
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: team can't execute that game plan. When you talk about

1093
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: game plans, the idea of a great game plan offensive league,

1094
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: defensive league, special teams is you need to put a

1095
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: game plan together that your defense or offense can actually execute.

1096
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: If they can't execute your game plan, then it was

1097
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: not the right game plan. So you can say, well,

1098
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: according to our opponent, forget your opponent. You know what

1099
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: great coaches always say, I mean the best of the

1100
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: best in any sport, is that they really don't prepare

1101
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: for their opponent. What they're preparing is their team to

1102
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: execute at the highest level they can and they're confident

1103
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: if they don't do that, they're gonna win more games

1104
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: than they lose. So what is your gut feeling? Again,

1105
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: with someone that's well connected with the charge organization, that

1106
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: knows Tom te LESCo, who brought you into the Chargers organization,

1107
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 2: we know he's not going anywhere because he's the president

1108
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: of football Operations, John Spanis's best friend. But do you

1109
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 2: think they'll make an exception in the rule and eat

1110
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: a year of contract on Brandon Staley if this season

1111
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: continues to bottom out?

1112
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 3: Well, look, if.

1113
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: This season continues to bottom out and they don't make

1114
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 4: a move at head coach, it means that this franchise

1115
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 4: values money over success. That will beget them more money.

1116
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 4: Because look, that's how business works. Sometimes you have to

1117
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 4: reinvest into your business in order to earn more later.

1118
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: It is a tail is old as time.

1119
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 4: The businesses who don't innovate, the businesses who don't reinvest

1120
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 4: and research and develop, they go stale. And sometimes that

1121
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: means in the research and development process, scrapping what you

1122
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 4: thought might have been a good idea, even if it

1123
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 4: costs you a lot of money to scrap it. Because

1124
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: if it's not working, it's not working. It's not the

1125
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 4: general public's fault. If you build a cell phone they

1126
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 4: don't want to buy, it's not the general public's fault.

1127
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 4: If you're a restaurant owner and you make a featured

1128
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: item on your menu that nobody wants to eat, it's

1129
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 4: not The people decide and then businesses adjust.

1130
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: Well.

1131
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: In football, the results are the results. It's wins and losses.

1132
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: Fan base is no fan base wants their team to lose.

1133
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 4: I mean outside of teams where they're hoping for a

1134
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 4: higher draft selection. But when you have Justin Herbert a quarterback,

1135
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 4: when you have some of the talent you just mentioned

1136
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 4: on defense, when you have some of the talent on offense,

1137
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: the obvious talent that they have on offense, you gotta

1138
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 4: win football games. You gotta win a lot more than

1139
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 4: you lose, and so the glaring issue is at the top,

1140
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 4: and if you don't take care of it, it means

1141
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: that you value short term gain over long term innovation.

1142
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 4: It means that you don't read the room. It means

1143
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 4: that you don't care about the product or the people

1144
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 4: who care about the product. You just care about money,

1145
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 4: and that isn't going to do you any favors later

1146
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 4: on down the line as a business owner.

1147
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: It just isn't.

1148
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: So they got to figure this out in a hurry,

1149
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,479
Speaker 4: and if they don't, we know exactly where they land

1150
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: on that equation.

1151
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, of course, the League puts the Chargers in prime

1152
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: time literally every week in hopes of generating interest in

1153
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: an organization that doesn't generate interest. They had no interest

1154
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: in San Diego when they left, and they certainly have

1155
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: no interest in La where they are right now. They

1156
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: face the Ravens tonight. I don't feel good for the

1157
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: Chargers in this game. And by the way, Brandon Staley

1158
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: also said during the week, the Chargers are very much

1159
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: in the playoff mix. They lose tonight, they go to

1160
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: four and seven, and I'm looking at all the teams,

1161
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: they would have to leap frog to get into a

1162
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: playoff position. Not only would they almost have to win

1163
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: out their last six games, thinking that they lose tonight

1164
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: at home to the Ravens, but.

1165
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: They would have to have other teams come backwards.

1166
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: They have to have you know, the Bills continue to

1167
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: lose or you know, the Steelers or teams like that

1168
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: would have to lose.

1169
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: So it's not going to happen.

1170
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: But we know this organization when you talk about the

1171
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: kind of investment that you're saying, is the right thing.

1172
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: One thing about the Patriots, I'll say, over the years,

1173
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: when things weren't working with personnel, they cut them loose.

1174
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: They didn't care if they were a first round pick,

1175
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: second round pick, high price free agent. If it didn't work,

1176
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: they cut their losses and they turned the page. That's

1177
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: why they were able to win for two decades straight.

1178
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: That's not the play with the Chargers. Any success the

1179
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: Chargers have had has never been dieted by design. It's

1180
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: been by accident.

1181
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: Well, I really I feel like Tom Telesco, for everything

1182
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 4: you just said, is a pretty good accumulator of talent,

1183
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 4: pretty good assessor of talent. He's done a nice job

1184
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 4: getting getting talented football players through the door. So I

1185
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 4: think it's very intentional to do so.

1186
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: But he's also in charge of hiring coaches.

1187
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if he's I don't know if

1188
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: he's the last say. I'm not sure how that struck.

1189
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: Mike McCoy, Anthony Lynn, and Brandon Staley.

1190
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 4: I will say this though, I think that I think

1191
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 4: that at a certain point, and everybody's worked in a

1192
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 4: business like this, at a certain point, a boss veto's

1193
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 4: decision of an employee, even if it's the right right

1194
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 4: move for the business, and it could be because of costs,

1195
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 4: and look, you know, sometimes you got to make it

1196
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 4: work with a lower cost. But imagine if to Lasco

1197
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 4: when Andy Reid and Mike McCoy were up for the job,

1198
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 4: he goes, well, look, you know, we really like Andy Reid.

1199
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 4: And he goes, well, how expensive is Andy Reid? Well,

1200
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 4: Andy read this much? Well how expensive is Mike McCoy.

1201
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 4: Well Mike McCoy's this much. Well we're gonna go with

1202
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 4: Mike McCoy, you know what I mean. Bruce arians he

1203
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 4: was available during one of these coaching searches. I can't

1204
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: remember which one. Whether it was Anthony Lynn or The

1205
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: point I'm trying to make is sometimes there's better coaches

1206
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 4: out there, but a general manager, he's shackled to the payroll,

1207
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 4: he shackled to what the owner wants him to spend

1208
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 4: on a head coaching candidate. So I'm not trying to

1209
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 4: make excuses for Tom Telesco, but I'm just saying the

1210
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: Charges don't get everything wrong.

1211
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this one thing that they've

1212
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: gotten really wrong is is their their decision making at

1213
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 3: head coach.

1214
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this very quick question, because

1215
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: this was actually out there that Belichick will lead the

1216
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: Patriots to come to the Chargers because of Justin Herbert.

1217
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Bill Belichick this is the marriage of

1218
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: two of your organizations. Can you imagine Bill Belichick working

1219
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: under the Spanos umbrella.

1220
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 4: I mean, the only way it would work is they

1221
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 4: would have to pay him a boatload of money because

1222
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 4: he's he's not gonna work for free and he's not

1223
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 4: gonna work for cheap.

1224
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 3: And also to have.

1225
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 4: Complete control, that means that means Tom Tlasco is gone.

1226
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no way in mind.

1227
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: Why does John Spanos fit into this well?

1228
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 4: He's not gonna have any more say that's look. I mean,

1229
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 4: there's no.

1230
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: Way, owners my son.

1231
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: There's no way in my mind that Bill Belichick is

1232
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 4: going to join a franchise that he can't completely contruy.

1233
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you one hundred percent. So dismiss that

1234
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: idea right now from those that know. Let's find out

1235
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: what it's trending right now. I want to throw something

1236
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: out here to be Finn Brian Fanily. We got into

1237
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: a little Heisman discussion before the show.

1238
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: Rich.

1239
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So four of the last five quarterbacks to win

1240
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: the Heisman, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, and Caleb Williams,

1241
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: we're all transfer quarterbacks. The one exception in that mixes

1242
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: Bryce Young and this year Bo Nick's transfer quarterback, Jayden

1243
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: Daniels transfer quarterback, Michael Pennick junior transfer quarterback.

1244
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: How do you feel about.

1245
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: Those guys having I don't know, extended stays in college

1246
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: to get them to.

1247
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: Where they are now?

1248
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: You know, and again, it's not a career award, it

1249
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: is a season award. But you seem to have a

1250
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: little problem with those extended collegiate careers, transfers and everything

1251
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 2: else to be up consideration for college football's most esteemed honor.

1252
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 7: Well, you're taking advantage of a lot of these guys.

1253
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 7: The extra COVID year. So Jade and Daniels had three

1254
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 7: great years or so at Arizona State, then he moves

1255
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 7: on to LSU. So these are like guys that are

1256
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 7: almost in their mid twenties now.

1257
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: Panix was four years at Indiana before coming to Washington. Oh,

1258
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: Nick's three years at Auburn coming to Oregon.

1259
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: Should that dismiss them?

1260
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 3: To me?

1261
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: Again, I maintain at least when I passed my vote,

1262
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm only looking at the year.

1263
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a career, awar season a war.

1264
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we're talking about the most outstanding football player.

1265
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: Of that season.

1266
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1267
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't, I don't look I mean. And also,

1268
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 4: college football is changing in a hurry.

1269
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it seems like every one of these

1270
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: quarterbacks now is a transfer quarterback.

1271
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 4: If we're uncomfortable with where this is now, just wait

1272
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 4: if you want your discomfort to increase, this isn't gonna

1273
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 4: get better. I mean, if you look around the Pac twelve.

1274
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 4: The reason why the Pac twelve had such a resurgence

1275
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 4: this year, as it is the final season of the

1276
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 4: Pac Twelve, before all these teams go elsewhere at Big twelve,

1277
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 4: Big ten, and otherwise.

1278
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: You look at you look at the reason why.

1279
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 4: It's because just about every team started a transfer quarterback,

1280
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 4: either this year or last year, and the success has

1281
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 4: come on the heels of those decisions to bring in

1282
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: transfer things.

1283
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: Think about this, Before Baker Mayfield won the Heisman, no

1284
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner d ever transfer two JC guys, Oj

1285
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: Simpson and Mike Rozierra Nebraska who played JC football and

1286
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: then came to their school. But every Heisman winner through

1287
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson only played at one school. And now every

1288
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: year we get transfer players winning the Heisman Trophy.

1289
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: We'll have another one this year.

1290
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,959
Speaker 7: The thing is, guys, is that from an individual standpoint, yes,

1291
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 7: the transfer and the Heisman are becoming hand in hand,

1292
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 7: but you still need to develop the eighteen and the

1293
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 7: nineteen year olds to have success as a team. So individually,

1294
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 7: sure we can fond over numbers and what guys are doing, But.

1295
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: Wait a second, is that true?

1296
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: I mean they, I mean you're bringing in these transfer

1297
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and all of a sudden boom, you're a winner.

1298
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: To an extent.

1299
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 7: I guess when I look at it from a UCLA standpoint,

1300
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 7: it doesn't add up because and then look at USC.

1301
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 7: There are teams that have one great guy at the

1302
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 7: QB position. Sure you've got the bow Knicks and the

1303
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 7: Michael Pennix, but then you also have the Caleb Williams

1304
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 7: where he's great, and they have all these transfers and

1305
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 7: none of them are working out.

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Speaker 4: No, I agree with that, but I mean, you can't

1307
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 4: argue that USC Caleb was a transfer. Also, Brian USC

1308
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 4: doesn't have near the season they do this year if

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: it weren't for his town.

1310
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: So I'm not looking like you said success.

1311
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: They should have lost at the last six in a row. No,

1312
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: the only game they won at the end was a

1313
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 2: one point win against col when Cow went for two.

1314
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 4: What success they had, though was completely contingent on the incredible,

1315
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 4: superlative play of their quarterback.

1316
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 3: Though we're all a great.

1317
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: But I think the point, and I.

1318
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: Bright is the fact that these tran when you're bringing

1319
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: thirty guys in. That was the first year of Lincoln Riley.

1320
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: They brought an over thirty transfers from different schools, and

1321
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: I remember I remember Lank Kiffin and Mississippi had also

1322
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: had the influx, and they were saying, are you excited

1323
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: about all these transfers coming? He goes, I don't know. Yeah,

1324
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: they're all coming from different systems. I don't know if

1325
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: they fit right. Well, hope we may fit. And just

1326
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: like any recruit, some do, some don't. And you look

1327
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: at some of the resumes of guys that came to USC,

1328
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams aside that were expected to have major impacts,

1329
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: most of them didn't.

1330
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Speaker 1: That's how you finished seven and five.

1331
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: But hang on, hang on.

1332
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you're I'm not saying you're completely wrong,

1333
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 4: but but I am going to argue the point of

1334
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 4: professional football where when there's a regime change, where there's

1335
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 4: a new head coach in town and they clear the

1336
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 4: roster like Pete Carroll did with the Seattle Seahawks before

1337
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 4: going on a run of appearing in multiple Super Bowls,

1338
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 4: or Dan Campbell in Detroit, or any head.

1339
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 3: Coach really, any general manager new hires.

1340
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 4: I mean what San Francisco has done with John Lynch

1341
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 4: and Kyle Shanahan. I mean just cleaning up that roster,

1342
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 4: building it up the way they want to. It works

1343
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: at the professional level, and it's working at the college

1344
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 4: level too. Now I understand sometimes it doesn't, but there

1345
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 4: are examples where it does. Jetfish in Arizona with the

1346
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 4: Wats the resurgence of that football program, they were a

1347
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 4: one win team his first season with seventy new football players.

1348
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 4: Five wins last year, nine wins this year. I mean

1349
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 4: he's built something special on the backs of the transfer

1350
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 4: portal players that he brought in when he first took

1351
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 4: over the program, you know. I mean, same thing with

1352
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 4: Colorado and beyond Sanders. I mean you could argue USC

1353
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 4: created a Heisman winner by bringing in a smattering of

1354
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 4: transfers from around the portal to come in and play.

1355
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 3: It works.

1356
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it works all the time, but it

1357
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 4: does work, and there's proof to that.

1358
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 7: Some I think you're taking a bigger gamble, guys, as

1359
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 7: far as you know, when you go into the transfer portal,

1360
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 7: it's kind of like you see the big powerball and

1361
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 7: lottery and you want the big thing. Or you could say,

1362
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 7: all right, let's develop some guys here. Let's not take

1363
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 7: chances on what we might get from somebody coming in,

1364
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 7: and that's like the scratch off. I might get five

1365
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 7: or ten bucks. I know I'm going to get probably

1366
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 7: something or there's a likelihood that this is going to

1367
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 7: work out at a higher rate of success. But the

1368
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 7: amount of success that could happen if you hit it

1369
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 7: big with that transfer is very much in allure for

1370
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 7: these players.

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01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's no different than the draft. We

1372
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 2: were talking about this. If you're if you're gunning to

1373
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: tank a season to get a high pick in the draft,

1374
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: thinking that the guy you're gonna get is going to

1375
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: be the game changer.

1376
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: Guess what the batting average is not great?

1377
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like forty thirty five to.

1378
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 4: Forty percent, maybe one out of three become franchise guys.

1379
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: Right, first round picks.

1380
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, first round picks.

1381
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 4: And then I mean look, I mean anywhere else in

1382
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 4: the're up, but forty thirty five to forty five or

1383
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 4: excuse me, thirty five to forty percent of them pan out.

1384
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: I mean, think about the forty nine ers. They whiff

1385
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,480
Speaker 2: on Trey Lance and they luck out with brock Party.

1386
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 4: Oh dude, Yeah, And I mean in brock Party was

1387
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 4: not he was just roster fodder. He was just a

1388
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 4: warm body to warm up your defense during the week

1389
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 4: and they got very lucky. Now, sure they could say

1390
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 4: they liked them all they want, they didn't like them

1391
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 4: all that much because they took them with the final

1392
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 4: pick of the final round of the NFL Draft.

1393
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: So the point, look, it's the same thing with this

1394
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: transfer portal.

1395
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 4: The transfer portal and the war, I should say, college

1396
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 4: football in the NFL have so many similarities. And Brian,

1397
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 4: you bring up a great debate and it's actually one

1398
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 4: that we first started having at the NFL level really

1399
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 4: when we saw the way the Los Angeles Rams won.

1400
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 3: Their Super Bowl.

1401
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 4: They did it very differently than a lot of other

1402
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 4: teams it had been done before, with a lot of trades.

1403
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 4: You know, they trade away a lot of draft capital

1404
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 4: to bring in you know, Jalen Ramsey and Matthew Stafford

1405
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 4: and Von Miller and Odell Beckham, like, they made a

1406
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 4: lot of moves to build out a roster based on

1407
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 4: I mean, if we're going to use the word from college.

1408
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 3: Transfers, you know, trades. Yeah, and it worked for them.

1409
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 4: So we're seeing that at the college level now there's

1410
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 4: a lot of ways to peel this orange. You know,

1411
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 4: you don't just have to bring in players from high

1412
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 4: school developed them and then make your team special that way.

1413
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 4: You could also go and you know, kind of pick

1414
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 4: from other people's rosters and make your your your your

1415
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 4: roster special that.

1416
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Way with no guarantee of success. Well and no, by

1417
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: the way, guarantee no success.

1418
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 4: How many of those five star recruits out of high

1419
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 4: school end up making it to the NFL, which means

1420
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 4: that they have good college.

1421
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: For Barry again the same odds.

1422
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 3: Well, it's about fifty percent.

1423
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 2: So you're talking about all right, by the way, we failure,

1424
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: ch Rich, we actually have run out of the show

1425
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: and I started this, so let's find out what's brand.

1426
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: I know we have six games at halftime right now, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1427
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: we do.

1428
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 7: And we do know that the Falcons are at fourteen

1429
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 7: to nine against the Saints. Sterrek Carr has a pick

1430
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 7: b John Robinson has a touchdown on the ground. Halftime

1431
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati seven to three, Bengals leading the Steelers getting

1432
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 7: big at one hundred and forty nine yards passing through

1433
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 7: the air, two touchdown runs for Derrick Henry will Levis's

1434
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 7: quarterback one hundred and twenty eight yards passing, and the

1435
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 7: Titans fourteen the Panthers three. As they're getting close to

1436
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 7: halftime there, Sam Canby said in Indianapolis, where the Colts

1437
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 7: have touchdowns from Garner Minshew and Jonathan Taylor by way

1438
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 7: of the ground, seventeen to ten. They're in front of

1439
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 7: the Buccaneers. Giants got that Tommy DeVito scored to Isaiah

1440
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 7: Hodgens from twelve yards out late in the second quarter,

1441
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 7: and that's all they've needed against a hapless Patriots team

1442
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 7: where Mac Jones has thrown two interceptions, so that doesn't

1443
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 7: seem to be going all too well for him. And

1444
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 7: then lastly, guys, the Jaguars thirteen to seven, they are

1445
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 7: leading the Texans. I'll leave you with this, and that's

1446
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 7: at the half, so I'll leave you with this. I

1447
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 7: just sent it back to you, guys, when we talk

1448
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 7: about the transfer portal, I would love to know the

1449
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 7: amount of teams that are inappropriately reaching out to athletes

1450
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 7: that are still on rosters of other schools and trying

1451
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 7: to lure them over. I don't think that's a story

1452
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 7: that is getting enough credit.

1453
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: You know why, exposure.

1454
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,879
Speaker 2: The NCAA has divorced itself completely college football.

1455
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: They have zero jurisdiction. It's the wild wild West.

1456
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: We don't know you right now, we have no idea

1457
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: if there's money up front. These nil deals is so vague,

1458
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: it's such a gray area. I mean, I've heard all

1459
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: kinds of reports of exactly what Caleb Williams got to

1460
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: transfer from Oklahoma to US.

1461
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 4: I've talked to a lot of different coaches, Brian, to

1462
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 4: your point, over the course of this and last football season,

1463
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 4: when the transfer portal really started getting hot and name

1464
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 4: image and likeness money really started going up and up

1465
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 4: and up, and to a man, I mean, everybody's confused

1466
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 4: about these rules, and there is an awareness that there

1467
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: are some guardrails and some restrictions put in place, but

1468
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 4: overall it is truly the wild West, and those teams

1469
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 4: that have the deepest pockets, you know, with their whatever

1470
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 4: you want to call it, their collectives or their funds

1471
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 4: for the program, They're going to be the ones who

1472
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 4: really reaped the biggest benefits right now because there are

1473
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 4: so few regulations placed on everything.

1474
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah and uh big where if you're a player, I mean,

1475
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: if you have a good situation, somebody comes up with

1476
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: a bulltload of money to leave, again, you could be

1477
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: leaving a system that works perfectly for you to assist him,

1478
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 2: that will not work for you and ultimately hurts your

1479
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 2: draft spot stuck.

1480
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 3: It's possible, but but you know what.

1481
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: It's already happened.

1482
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 4: There's there's examples of real life changing money being given

1483
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 4: to some of these guys.

1484
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 2: Though, well, I understand, like the Sam Hartman's of the world.

1485
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you'red what the wake Forest coach said, right,

1486
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: I was like that Notre Dame played wake Forest. He

1487
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: was there for five years, and Notre Dame had this

1488
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: huge like you're our guy to Sam Hartman and he

1489
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 2: and then the wake Forest coach is like, your guy,

1490
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 2: he was here for five years. I don't blame Sam

1491
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: for taking the kind of money you threw at him

1492
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 2: to go to Notre Dame for a year. I applaud

1493
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 2: the kid. He's not your guy, Yeah, he was our guy.

1494
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: And then he had the luxury of coming back an

1495
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 2: extra year because of the COVID year, cash in big time,

1496
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 2: get a huge paycheck to be the Notre Dame quarterback

1497
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 2: for one year.

1498
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 4: I will say this about that kind of money versus

1499
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 4: the kind of money that I'm more thinking of. There's

1500
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 4: a lot of people immediately go to the millions that

1501
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 4: some of these players aren't making with these endorsements and

1502
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 4: you know the deals that they're getting from collectives from

1503
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 4: jumping schools. But there's also the guys who are, like,

1504
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 4: you know, the defensive tackle or the offensive lineman you're

1505
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 4: not going to hear much about, or the cornerback who

1506
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 4: grew up from humble means, was getting his education paid

1507
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 4: for and instead of leaving college with crippling student loan

1508
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 4: debt like a lot of people do, they get their

1509
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 4: school paid for, so they leave with a degree if

1510
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 4: they're smart about it, and they go to their classes.

1511
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 4: And also maybe they have a couple hundred thousand dollars

1512
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 4: in the bank, so instead of leaving school with debt.

1513
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 3: They're able to buy their first house.

1514
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 4: Like I mean, we're not talking about millions, we're talking

1515
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 4: about hundreds of thousands of dollars. But that's that's still

1516
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 4: life changing money.

1517
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 2: The fact that we have a complete turnover in the

1518
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: landscape of college football as we head into the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four season is about one thing.

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Speaker 1: M O. N. E. Y.

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Speaker 2: I would continue on head this second half of six

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Speaker 2: games around the NFL previews some of the games later

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01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 2: on today.

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Speaker 1: Keep it here. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 2: Steve Harbin ch Harberger, Fox Sports a Red Zone Radio.

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01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: We are live from the tire Raq dot Com studios.

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Speaker 2: All right, second half's underway around the NFL. I want

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01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 2: to one quick follow up to what we are talking

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01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: about conversation. By the way, I know Deon Sanders. So

1530
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 2: by the way, Colorado lost their last game. They ended

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01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: up four and eight after their three and oh start

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: one in eight in the Pac twelve finished the loan

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01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: dead last in the conference. But Dion a couple of

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01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: days ago said this talking about nil quote, we're not

1535
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 2: an at That's not gonna happen here. If you want

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 2: to come to Colorado and play football for me and

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: the Colorado Buffalo's, it's because you really want to play

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: football and receive a wonderful education, and all the business

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 2: stuff will be handled on the back end if that's

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01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 2: the case. But we're not an ATM. That sounds like

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster. That comment. If you're Deon Sanders.

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01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's probably the last thing you want

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01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 4: to say right now publicly about your football program. I look,

1544
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 4: he doesn't misstep a lot with the media, though, So

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01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 4: I mean, when you speak to the media as often

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 4: as Deon Sanders does.

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 3: Eventually, you're going to put your foot in your mouth.

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01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 4: How much does this hurt his program and their ability

1549
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 4: to recruit or win in the transfer portal?

1550
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 3: That remains to be seen.

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 2: But remember this is also the coaches said he was

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 2: keeping receipts. Remember after his three in rows start, I'm

1553
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 2: keeping receipts. I'm going to remember who doubted whether or

1554
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: not I could turn Colorado to winner. And then he

1555
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 2: loses eight of his last nine, including the last six

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01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: in a row.

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01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 4: You do look at it from this standpoint, though, you know,

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01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 4: you do look at Deon Sanders.

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01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 3: As much as there was so much hype.

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01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 4: Around this program this season, he didn't do much different

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01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 4: than Carl Durell during his final seasons at.

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01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 3: Colorado, right, I mean, I.

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: Mean it still comes down to wins and losses.

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01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 4: Pandemic year, four win team, the next season in twenty one,

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01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 4: four win team, and then Darrell's final season was a

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01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,919
Speaker 4: one and eleven team last year.

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: And then they're back to a four to win team.

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 4: Mike Sanford took over part of the way. Yeah, they're

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01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 4: back to a four win team. So is it better

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01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 4: than it was a year ago. Yeah, but it's kind

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01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 4: of back to where it was when the program was

1572
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 4: going down the tubes anyways. So it's an improvement, there's

1573
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,839
Speaker 4: no question about it. It's an improvement. But what Deon

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01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 4: Sanders did right there is just said the quiet part

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01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 4: out loud, which is, I don't know if Colorado has

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01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 4: the type of boosters and donors and elf funneling into

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01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 4: that program that for example, a Texas A and M

1578
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 4: or a Texas Tech or Texas or Alabama or a

1579
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 4: LSU or a Florida State or a Florida Like I mean,

1580
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 4: you're competing with the big boys now on this stage,

1581
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 4: especially considering the media hype, and so I think what

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01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 4: he's saying is true.

1583
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 3: I just think it's it's probably.

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01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 4: Part of the the part of the math that you

1585
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 4: probably got to instead of showing your work, just do

1586
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 4: the mental math there.

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01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 3: Well.

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01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: I think at some point Coach Prime was beginning to

1589
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: believe his own hype and the reality was again, this

1590
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: was a team that had what was how many transfers

1591
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: that they have come in forty I mean it was.

1592
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 1: Like their entire roster, Oh, it was a ton was a.

1593
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: Transfer situation and again putting all those pieces together.

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01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: This is the challenge for these college coaches.

1595
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 2: It's one thing when you bring in a freshman class

1596
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: you red shirt. I mean, think back to your five

1597
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: years at Penn State, right, there was a process from

1598
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: you sort of establishing what position you were going to

1599
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: play in college to the point where you become an

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01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: All American by your fifth year. Yeah, but you had

1601
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 2: teammates that were developed along the same plane. Those are

1602
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: that's gone. Everything now is year two year. So in

1603
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 2: the transfer portal, worse both ways. Who are you gonna keep?

1604
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 2: Who are you gonna let go? And for for you

1605
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: to do that at the collegiate level and get a

1606
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: cohesive unit, wow, tough that That is a big challenge

1607
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: for these coaches. But every year somebody gets it done.

1608
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: It just didn't happen the way that coach Prime was hoping.

1609
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: All Right, we get to second half of six games

1610
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 2: around the FFL. We also had some interesting matchups coming

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01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: up later on this afternoon, including one team where their

1612
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: coach maybe a late charging Coach of the Year candidate.

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Speaker 2: Keep it here, This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: Third and goal at the one on I formation. Singletary

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01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: and Beck CJ back to pass, runs to the right side.

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01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 10: Stroud runs across high stepping touchdown.

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Speaker 2: C J Stroud, CJ Strong. That's Texans Radio Network. And

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: with that CJ. Stroud rushing touchdown, the Texans have taken

1619
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: a fourteen to thirteen lead over the Jaguars eight minutes

1620
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 2: to go in the third quarter of that game.

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Speaker 2: should be. After scoring that touchdown, Rich So this was

1628
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 2: the end zone celebration. So Stroud had all his offensive

1629
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: lineman I sent lining up in front of him.

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01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: He sort of went down the.

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01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: Line and then he slapped at one of them and

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01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 2: the guy goes down. Now I'm trying to figure out

1633
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: some of these celebrations, you know. It's sort of like

1634
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: the personalized license plates where you're stuck behind someone and

1635
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 2: you're trying to figure out what it says, you know,

1636
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 2: and it's like I don't get it, Like It's like

1637
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: a puzzle, like I'm trying to figure out what this

1638
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 2: personalized license. I'm the same way now with some of

1639
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 2: the end Zone celebrations. So this one, he sort of

1640
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: walked up and down the line. There were six or

1641
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: seven guy teammates standing in front of him, and then

1642
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: he swung like a slap at one of the big

1643
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 2: guys and he falls to the ground.

1644
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, Okay, what is that one?

1645
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: Like that?

1646
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't try to figure this one.

1647
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 3: Out, but I absolutely love it. I absolutely love it.

1648
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 3: You know what? You know what? Actually? No, isn't that?

1649
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 3: Where is that from? Is that from a music video

1650
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 3: or a movie? I've seen that before.

1651
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 2: I am trying to figure it out. Does anybody be fan?

1652
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea?

1653
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: Can we open up?

1654
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 3: Ryan?

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01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 7: I don't, I don't, but you know, they continue to

1656
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 7: get more creative and shout out to the NFL for

1657
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 7: letting these guys have some fun.

1658
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I don't know.

1659
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 9: Maybe I'm thinking Full Metal Jacket is some sort of

1660
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 9: like line up inspection.

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: Okay, but how is that a celebration?

1662
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 4: No, it's not from Full Metal Jacket, But I agree

1663
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 4: with you. It's almost like they're lining up almost like

1664
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 4: they're in military ranks, and then he.

1665
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: He just swings at one of them and the guy

1666
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: goes down.

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01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, where is that from?

1668
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 4: I feel like it's either a music video or a

1669
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 4: movie I've seen before.

1670
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 1: Okay, well, i'd ask people on our social media.

1671
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 4: Oh, I remember where it's from. It's from Baby Boy,

1672
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 4: It's from Uh remember that movie with Tyree I did,

1673
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,839
Speaker 4: and they line up everybody and they just start knocking

1674
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 4: dudes out in the park.

1675
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 3: You remember that scene. Yeah, that's what it was.

1676
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Speaker 2: By the way, you can follow us on x slash

1677
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: Twitter at Ornberger, at Cannon Hartman. By the way, I

1678
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 2: was checking our accounts here and they're just flooded with

1679
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 2: Tommy Debido fans.

1680
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: Oh dude, yeah, and.

1681
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: They're questioning whether or not you're to Vito. Are actually

1682
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: praising him?

1683
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, one hundred percent praising Tommy DeVito. Yeah, because, like,

1684
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 4: let's be very honest, when Tommy DeVito gets his hands

1685
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 4: on that football, little big skin, I mean, he's used

1686
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 4: to big stick. Think about all the calibrazy saloon me

1687
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 4: that he's devouring when he goes home.

1688
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing, though, He's no Bailey Zappi,

1689
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: So they finally bench mac Jones again. They bring Zappi

1690
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: into the game six or six thirty eight yards and

1691
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots have tied up their game on a Ormandre

1692
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: Stevenson touchdown run seven to seven Patriots and Giants. I

1693
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: said at the top of the show, the winner of

1694
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 2: this game walks away a loser. Yeah, if you're the

1695
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: Patriots or Giants, you don't want to win games. The

1696
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: season's over, You're not going to be in the playoffs,

1697
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 2: so you're trying to get yourself in the best position

1698
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 2: in the draft. So the winner today literally walks off

1699
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 2: a loser.

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01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: Oh what are you talking about, Steve Haban over you're.

1701
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 3: Talking about the winners a loser. You know what, I

1702
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 3: got a good mind to knock you one. I'll tell

1703
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 3: you what later on when I'm.

1704
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 4: Going out with my gum in Discrimination, when I'm going out.

1705
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,879
Speaker 3: With my gu ma and I'm getting a little Pascha fajoule. Okay,

1706
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be thinking about you, Steve Haman. I'm gonna

1707
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 3: be thinking about you. You're You're a mocked man right now.

1708
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: You know the problem is you played five years for

1709
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 1: Joe Paterno.

1710
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,440
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah.

1711
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 4: Well, and by the way, Rose Riggerio was my grandmother.

1712
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 4: I grew up eating Grandma Rose's egg plant parmesan. And

1713
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now, I'll lie to my mother.

1714
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 4: I tell her she makes as good egg plant parmesan. Nobody,

1715
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 4: nobody made egg egg plant parmesan like Rose.

1716
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 3: Grandma Rose. She had to figure it out, and I

1717
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: would grow I grew.

1718
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 4: Up in this house, you know. I mean I went

1719
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 4: to her house every day after school. That's the reason

1720
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 4: why I was an offensive wine. And she would just

1721
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 4: feed me as mon Jamon jamaja. She would hit me

1722
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 4: with the wooden spoon while she was cutting my sauce.

1723
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I had. I had the Tommy DeVito upbringing, so.

1724
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Speaker 3: I like this.

1725
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 2: I was reading the bio Paterno on Wikipedia. It says

1726
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 2: here he is the son of Florence dela sal Caffieriro,

1727
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: a homemaker, and Angelo Lafia Paterno, a law clerk. His

1728
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: family was of Italian ancestry. I don't think he had

1729
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 2: to add that line. Yeah, you know, Florence de la

1730
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 2: sal Caffiero Angela Lafia Paterno.

1731
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: You didn't need to add that line. I think it

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: was self explanatory.

1733
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 3: No, we know you know what. Actually, it's a funny story.

1734
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: When Joe Paterno came to my high school, he sat

1735
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 4: down with my grandparents. He only spoke to them, and

1736
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 4: at the end of the conversation, because my grandpa grew

1737
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 4: up in Brooklyn, also yeah, he just goes, so, hey, John,

1738
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 4: is this guy a knucklehead of what?

1739
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: So?

1740
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 2: So I hope he answered to the affirmative, because that's

1741
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 2: what he thought of you.

1742
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 4: My grandpa goes, oh, yes, yes, very much. So he's

1743
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 4: a knuckle ahead, but he's a hard wooker. And so

1744
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 4: he goes, all right, you know what, You're all right, John,

1745
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 4: Hopefully your grandson's the same.

1746
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 3: And he got up and he walked out. I don't

1747
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 3: think he said two words to me. He just shook

1748
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 3: my head and growled at me.

1749
01:25:59,320 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: All right.

1750
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 3: By the way.

1751
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 2: In the meantime, the Jaguars are right back after at it.

1752
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 2: After the Texans took the lead fourteen to thirteen. Jags

1753
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: now have a third and goal at the five yard line.

1754
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: It's Trevor Lawrence trying to lead this team back. There's

1755
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 2: a lot at stake in this game. Jaguars came in

1756
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 2: at seven and three, leading the division. Texans right behind

1757
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: him at six and four. By the way, Jags are

1758
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: undefeated on the road this year, so they're four and

1759
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 2: oh at home, three and three at home, but four.

1760
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: And oh on the road.

1761
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 2: So a third and goal right now, Now, wait a second,

1762
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 2: I believe they got a penalty. They did, so we

1763
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 2: got a first in goal now for the Jags at

1764
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 2: the one yard line, and they're going to run the

1765
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 2: ball and that's not going to work this Texans team.

1766
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to bring up. I teased it

1767
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 2: in the end of the last hour talking about Coach

1768
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: of the Year, and obviously Demiico Ryans is a runaway favorite.

1769
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 2: But later on the Broncos are taking on the Browns.

1770
01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 3: That's right.

1771
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: And the Broncos were zero to.

1772
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: Three to one in five and now they've rattle off

1773
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 2: four straight wins. Sean Payton is the real deal. I

1774
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 2: mean to hold this team together because they weren't just

1775
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: one in five. Like I mean again, you give up

1776
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 2: seventy points in a game, it's time to sort of mail.

1777
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: In the season. But not this Broncos team.

1778
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 2: And what's been amazing about this Broncos turnaround it's been their.

1779
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 3: Defense, yep.

1780
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: I mean they have completely flipped from not just the

1781
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 2: worst defense in the league, when one of the worst

1782
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 2: defenses ever in the history of the NFL early on

1783
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 2: in the season to the point where you know, Russell

1784
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: Wilson is just doing enough. He's only thrown four picks,

1785
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: so he's you know, he's taking care of the football.

1786
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 2: Nineteen touchdowns, four picks for Russell Wilson. Completely different quarterback

1787
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: from what we saw a year ago. And to turn

1788
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 2: around a defense in season, yeah, as dramatically as the

1789
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: Broncos had. Man, you got to get some consideration to

1790
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 2: Sean Payton for Coach of the.

1791
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 4: Year well, and also Assistant of the Year might go

1792
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,440
Speaker 4: to Vance Joseph.

1793
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely all the abuse he took his decordinator.

1794
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 4: I mean, so he starts this season obviously. That seventy

1795
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 4: point game against the Dolphins was at seventy twenty loss.

1796
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: And that was at three, and then they gave up

1797
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: twenty one points in one quarter against the Bears.

1798
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 4: I loved what he said after that game though, m hm.

1799
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 4: He said, and I looked up the quote so I

1800
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 4: could get it right because I remember playing it. He said,

1801
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 4: when those things happen. It's me first. I'll fix it quickly.

1802
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 4: We have to. And then he went on to say,

1803
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 4: when your unit plays that way, my first thought is

1804
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 4: it's me. I need to do a better job coaching.

1805
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 4: I need to get the guys ready for the challenge.

1806
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 4: So when you have accountability at the top, when there

1807
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 4: is no sugarcoating it, when you are looking at the

1808
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 4: output and you're saying, I'm the boss, they give me

1809
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 4: a whistle, they give me advisor. I get to go

1810
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 4: out with my call sheet and I'm responsible for the product.

1811
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 3: And it's and it's bad.

1812
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, there's objectively awful against the Dolphins. Well,

1813
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 4: you gotta take personal accountability. And there was no fair dodging.

1814
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 4: He went in front of the media and he said

1815
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 4: it's all on me, and I'm gonna fix it quickly.

1816
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 3: And guess what he did.

1817
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 4: The Denver Broncos and Russell Wilson, this whole organization, defensive coordinator, advance,

1818
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 4: Joseph everybody. This is an example of don't judge me early,

1819
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 4: judge me late. Let the process take over, let the

1820
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 4: culture build, let the leadership take its effect and take

1821
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 4: hold it. It takes a lot like we described it earlier.

1822
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 4: I was talking about how it's a chess game out there.

1823
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 4: You have to build strategy upon strategy. It doesn't happen overnight,

1824
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 4: even for veterans. We talked about Derek Carr having some

1825
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 4: early struggles learning the new people in the new system

1826
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 4: in New Orleans. A lot of new there's things, man,

1827
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 4: So you gotta get used to it. Even if you're

1828
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,959
Speaker 4: a veteran head coach, even if you're a veteran defensive coordinator,

1829
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 4: even if you're a veteran quarterback. You have to get

1830
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 4: used to the new surroundings, the new way to do it.

1831
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what. The Denver Broncos there, they're

1832
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 4: on path to be a problem if they get to

1833
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1834
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna want to play that.

1835
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: All right.

1836
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley on the receiving end of a one yard

1837
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 2: touchdown pass from Trevor Lawrence and on the receiving end

1838
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 2: of a two point conversion from Trevor Lawrence. Jaguars have

1839
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 2: taken a twenty one to fourteen lead on the road

1840
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 2: against the Texans four and a half minutes ago in

1841
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 2: the third quarter of that game. All Right, we continue

1842
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 2: on racing toward the ends of these third quarters, which

1843
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 2: one of these games or maybe multiple games come down

1844
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: to an exciting finish.

1845
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: It happens every week.

1846
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. We got a type ball game

1847
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 3: in New Yorker.

1848
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 2: It could be a shootout between DeVito and Zappi. We're

1849
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. Keep it here for the answer.

1850
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio. Shotgun for Trevor

1851
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,919
Speaker 2: play Clocket five ETM.

1852
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 3: The running back.

1853
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: Trevor drops, looks, looks fires, back of.

1854
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 3: The hand, the pot for the touchdown.

1855
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 7: Touchdown in the back of the end zone to Calvin

1856
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 7: Ridley and Jackson.

1857
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 3: Let's take it away.

1858
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: How good is that? That's good.

1859
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: It's also WJXLAM ten ten and FM ninety two point.

1860
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: Five Jaguars Radio Network.

1861
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: Jags lead the Texas twenty one to fourteen, and they

1862
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 2: have the ball two and a half minutes to go

1863
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 2: in the third quarter of that game.

1864
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,679
Speaker 1: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

1865
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 2: Steve Hartbin and rich Ormberger were live from the tyrack

1866
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,680
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1867
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,080
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1868
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,800
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1869
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,240
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1870
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,200
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1871
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 2: just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,

1872
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: and you'll see this show posted right after we get

1873
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 2: off the air. So it comes a guessing game at

1874
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 2: this point, Rich of which of these games are going

1875
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 2: to come down to the wire. No, normally at this

1876
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 2: time we have two or three games that we can

1877
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 2: scratch off because they've been blowouts. The only game that

1878
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 2: is not a one score game right now, and it's

1879
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 2: not that you know, Colts are leading the Buccaneers by ten.

1880
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 2: Everything else is a one score game right now now. Granted,

1881
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 2: offenses have been a no show today. I mean, I'm

1882
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 2: watching the Steelers right because they fire their offensive coordinator

1883
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 2: and they actually came into this game on the road

1884
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 2: against the Bengals. Is a slight favorite because Jake Browning

1885
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: is the quarterback for the Bengals. But I'll tell you this,

1886
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 2: even though the Steelers have only scored ten points, Kenny

1887
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Pigott is twenty to thirty for two hundred and sixty

1888
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 2: yards and no interceptions, and they have one hundred and

1889
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,839
Speaker 2: twenty yards on the ground, so they're moving the ball today.

1890
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 2: They're just not finishing drives. So the Steelers right now

1891
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 2: lead the Bengals ten to seven, and they're in a

1892
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 2: position to score again. But at least from a yard standpoint,

1893
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 2: they look improved this week.

1894
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

1895
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about the Steelers is after the

1896
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 4: firing of Matt Canada, it sort of feels like Mike

1897
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 4: Tomlin now has free reign to truly delegate the responsibility,

1898
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 4: almost to like a group think platform. Eddie Faulkner will

1899
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 4: take over as offensive coordinator for the Steelers, but quarterbacks

1900
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 4: coach Mike Sullivan will actually be the one in charge

1901
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 4: of calling the place, and the entire offensive coaching staff

1902
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 4: is expected to put together the game plan together, you know,

1903
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 4: So it's not gonna be anyone person who has, you know,

1904
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 4: final say. It's almost like a democracy or a democratic

1905
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 4: process to bring the game plan to the table each week.

1906
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 3: And that plan.

1907
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 4: From source reporting from Ian Rappaport and others is going

1908
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 4: to try to target George Pickens more and to give

1909
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 4: the ball to running back Jaylen Warren Moore, because both

1910
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 4: of them were arguably either under u utilized or because

1911
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 4: of their talent, not givin enough touches during.

1912
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 3: The course of these games when Matt Canada was calling

1913
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 3: the shots.

1914
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 2: All right, the Steelers third down pass they added at

1915
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 2: the sixteen yardlight of the Bengals incomplete at the goal line,

1916
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 2: so the Steelers are going to have to settle for

1917
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: a field goal attempt. Leading the Bengals by a score

1918
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: of ten to seven.

1919
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: One game.

1920
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: We haven't talked a lot about and really there's no

1921
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 2: reason Titans home against the Panthers. Mike Vrabel we all

1922
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 2: acknowledge is a really good coach, very much, but the

1923
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,759
Speaker 2: Titans are not a good team. In fact, they've lost

1924
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 2: all six row games this year. They should get a

1925
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 2: win today against the one to nine Panthers, but they're

1926
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 2: still just three and seven on the season and looks

1927
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 2: like they are exiting the playoffs. Will Levis is the

1928
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 2: big question mark. Have they turned the page? Do they

1929
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: have a franchise quarterback? And Will Levis who has, let's

1930
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 2: face it, had the usual ups and downs of a

1931
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback after that incredible debut where he for four

1932
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,799
Speaker 2: touchdown passes. A lot, I mean depends on Derrick Henry

1933
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 2: and it's obvious that the Derrick Henry of two or

1934
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 2: three years ago has gone forever. You know, he'll be

1935
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 2: thirty years old next year, so I don't know how

1936
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 2: much Tred has left on the tire.

1937
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Not a lot.

1938
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 2: Today twelve carries forty five yards a couple scores on

1939
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 2: the ground. But do you stay with Rabel during what

1940
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 2: appears to be a rebuilding situation over the next couple

1941
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 2: of years.

1942
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 3: Well, okay, the locker room loves Mike Rabel.

1943
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 4: Yes, the culture that he's established there in Tennessee is

1944
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 4: an effective culture. But only if you have an absolute

1945
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 4: stud at running back or by committee studs out of

1946
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 4: the backfield who can carry the offense. Because Ryan Tannehill

1947
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:52,679
Speaker 4: was never a top fifteen quarterback, and that's really what

1948
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 4: you need these days to compete in the NFL. Like,

1949
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 4: if you're going to be a consistent playoff contender, you

1950
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 4: need a top fifteen quarterback.

1951
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: Act, Can I stubby for a second?

1952
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1953
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:01,759
Speaker 3: You go ahead.

1954
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: Are there top fifteen quarterbacks in the league right now?

1955
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 3: Wait?

1956
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Top five? Top ten? You go fifteen? I'm running out

1957
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: of names after.

1958
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, because it definitely feels

1959
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 4: like it's once you get outside the top ten, it

1960
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 4: gets to slim pickings. But if you can't even crack

1961
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 4: the top fifteen, then you really have a problem.

1962
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I guess Derek Carr is like a

1963
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,799
Speaker 2: top fifteen. Yeah, you know there's guys, right, Kenny Pickett

1964
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 2: a top fifteen.

1965
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett would not.

1966
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,839
Speaker 1: Be okay, So Kenny pick is not a top fifteen.

1967
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:37,679
Speaker 3: Oh you look at it, Okay. So it's pretty easy

1968
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 3: to get to the top of list, right.

1969
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 4: You know, you have Patrick Mahomes, justin Herbert, you have

1970
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 4: you have Josh Allen, who I still consider a top

1971
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 4: fifteen quarterback even though a lot of people are coming

1972
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 4: after him.

1973
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence. You know, it's pretty easy to

1974
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 3: get to ten.

1975
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 4: But then when you get outside of ten, you start

1976
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 4: getting into the names like well, Kirk Cousins.

1977
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, leads the league in passing yard.

1978
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:05,839
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Sam Hel Yeah, Sam Hal leads the NFL

1979
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 2: in passing yards this year.

1980
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 4: There's this whole bunch basically from eleven through twenty who

1981
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 4: could vie for one of those top fifteen quarterback standings.

1982
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 4: And if you have one of those guys who consistently

1983
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 4: hang around twelve or thirteenth best in the league. Like

1984
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 4: at Kirk Cousins, you can stamp your ticket to the

1985
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 4: playoffs a lot. Now, it doesn't mean you're gonna make

1986
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 4: deep runs.

1987
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 3: You know. You can have an Alex Smith, you can.

1988
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 4: Have a Jimmy Garoppolo, you can have a Dak Prescott

1989
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 4: who can get you to the promised Land. They're just

1990
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 4: not gonna win you a Super Bowl, right And so

1991
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 4: there's a lot of quarterbacks like that out there, and

1992
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 4: you know, and look, it takes a special quarterback and

1993
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 4: a special coaching staff to have consistent success like the

1994
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs or when Brady and Belichick were together.

1995
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 3: You know how that went. You know.

1996
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:56,520
Speaker 4: So that's that's usually the rubric or the formula for success.

1997
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 3: In Tennessee, they did it the old school way. Man.

1998
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 4: They had a hammer back like Derrick Henry, and they

1999
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 4: had a good enough quarterback to keep the wheels on

2000
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 4: and who wasn't going to hurt you in Ryan Tannehill.

2001
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 3: And they had a lot of success that way.

2002
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 4: The only way to replicate success is if they find

2003
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 4: another again, either by committee or stud running back to

2004
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 4: fill in the void that Derek Henry is leaving.

2005
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 3: As his play starting to wane.

2006
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 4: And if they can't, it's gonna be hard slutting because

2007
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to completely change the way they run

2008
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 4: that offensive system.

2009
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 2: All right, So we mentioned that we had one game

2010
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 2: that was not a one score game. It's officially a

2011
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 2: one score game. The Buccaneers have scored on a twenty

2012
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 2: three hour touchdown pass from Baker Mayfield to Mike Evans,

2013
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 2: and the colesal still lead the Bucks by score of

2014
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 2: twenty to seventeen.

2015
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: So in this year where so many.

2016
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks have dropped, yep, I guess Baker Mayfield's been elevated

2017
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 2: into a top fifteen quarterback, No.

2018
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 3: Question about it. Baker Mayfield. He just makes the cut right, yeah,

2019
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 3: you know.

2020
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 1: Right on the cut line. But with guy's dropping like flies.

2021
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean. And he's had a good year.

2022
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 4: He's thrown fifteen touchdown passes, six interceptions. He's kept a

2023
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 4: real clean out there for the Buccaneers. Again, a guy

2024
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 4: who's not gonna harm you, a guy who's not going

2025
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 4: to make the big stupid play that loses you the

2026
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:15,759
Speaker 4: football game. Just a consistent performer. And that's what Baker

2027
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 4: has become in this league, is like think Ryan Fitzpatrick, right,

2028
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 4: smart guy, veteran guy.

2029
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 3: You can trust him.

2030
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 4: He's going to fill in the gaps for you while

2031
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 4: you get your franchise quarterbacks straight in the draft, or

2032
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 4: if you trade for a player.

2033
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 3: I mean, and who knows, is it possible.

2034
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 4: There could be a second act to his career, like

2035
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 4: a Gino Smith in Seattle last year.

2036
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 3: Possibly, we'll see.

2037
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,679
Speaker 2: All right, we have a touchdown for the Falcons. Desmond

2038
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 2: Ritter too. Bijon Robinson. By the way, a lot of

2039
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 2: fantasy football fans have been very frustrated by Robinson's lack

2040
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 2: of production in recent weeks. Not the case today. Fourteen

2041
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 2: carries seventy eight yards, that's five point six yards per

2042
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 2: carry and a touchdown there. He's also caught three passes

2043
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 2: or thirty two yards and a second touchdown. So the

2044
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 2: Falcons now lead the Saints by a score of twenty

2045
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 2: one to twelve. I give you know, with the you know,

2046
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,879
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers back back, somebody's got to win that division,

2047
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 2: right yeah, I mean, at some point somebody is going

2048
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: to walk away with an NFC South Crown. So the

2049
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:22,719
Speaker 2: standings coming into the day, Saints are five and five,

2050
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 2: Falcons four and six, Bucks four and six, and of

2051
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 2: course the Panthers at one and nine.

2052
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 3: Check this out.

2053
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 4: If the Buccaneers beat the Colts and the Falcons beat

2054
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 4: the Saints, you have three teams.

2055
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 1: At five and six.

2056
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2057
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's a stench on that division South.

2058
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:42,600
Speaker 4: It feels like one of those uh yeah, it's like

2059
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 4: the Spider Man meme. Right, They're all pointing at each

2060
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 4: other like, wait, we're all the same. We kind of

2061
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,520
Speaker 4: have underwhelming offenses and strong defenses.

2062
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 3: Who's gonna emerge?

2063
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 4: It's I mean, I look, I I'm I'm I don't

2064
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 4: know if I have a dog in this fight. But

2065
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 4: if there's a storyline I am rooting for. I can't

2066
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 4: help myself. There's something about him.

2067
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,959
Speaker 3: I really like. It's Baker Mayfield.

2068
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with't be an unbelievable story right if Baker

2069
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 2: Mayfield finds his way back into the postseason. But they

2070
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 2: still got to take care of business today, still trailing

2071
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 2: the Colts by a score of twenty to seventeen. Let's

2072
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 2: find out what is trending right now and for man

2073
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 2: that was up into the wee hours of the night

2074
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:25,719
Speaker 2: last night and up early to tackle this difficult task

2075
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 2: at the very least you've been spared, just like you know,

2076
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 2: thirty five twenty eight games, we have to sift through

2077
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 2: all the touchdowns to figure out which highlights.

2078
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 1: It's been fairly quiet.

2079
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:36,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be awful.

2080
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be price to watch like exciting football to

2081
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 4: worry about all the highlights?

2082
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean I would.

2083
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 2: I'd hard to rate these six games on which has

2084
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: been the least interesting.

2085
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 7: I mean, there are people that have to do much

2086
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 7: more physically enduring jobs and for us to complain about

2087
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 7: how many more games there could be, we're just obviously

2088
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 7: very fortunate to be here. But yeah, there are six

2089
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 7: games going on this first window. And you guys were

2090
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 7: talking about Baker Mayfield. Well, he has thrown a touchdown

2091
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 7: pass here in the fourth quarter to Mike Evans, and

2092
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 7: that's got the deficit for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. His

2093
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 7: bucks to twenty to seventeen against the Colts about nine

2094
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 7: to forty nine to go in the fourth quarter. There

2095
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 7: other games that are ongoing, but we do know that

2096
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 7: I wanted to mention this really quickly though. Baker Mayfield's

2097
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 7: numbers five hundred and fifty four yards passing two touchdowns

2098
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 7: and one interception, Falcons twenty one the Saints twelve. That's

2099
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 7: about ten minutes ago in the fourth quarter. Jesse Bates

2100
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 7: the third. Essentially, people are saying on social media he

2101
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 7: is single handedly allowing Atlanta to have a lead and

2102
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 7: hopefully a win. He had the pick six, He's got

2103
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 7: a forced fumble, He's got a fumble recovery as well,

2104
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:48,799
Speaker 7: nine tackles.

2105
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 1: The man is all over the place.

2106
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 7: Jon Robinson has caught a touchdown and he has run

2107
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 7: in one as well, So let's not forget about that.

2108
01:42:55,880 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 7: As far as the scoring support for that Atlanta offense.

2109
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:02,640
Speaker 7: These Steelers have a thirteen to seven lead against the

2110
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 7: Bengals six minutes to go in the fourth quarter. There

2111
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 7: Kenny Pickett two hundred and sixty yards passing, and the

2112
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 7: keynote here, guys, is no interceptions from pigot Nagee. Harris

2113
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 7: did get in the end zone once. Thirteen carries eighty

2114
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 7: seven yards for the key ball carrier for Pittsburgh, Will

2115
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 7: Levis one hundred and fifty three yards passing, and Derrick

2116
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 7: Henry two scores on the ground. Twelve carries forty five

2117
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 7: yards for the Titans, who are trying to hold on here.

2118
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 7: It's a one score game for the Titans against a

2119
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 7: one to nine Panthers team seventeen to ten Tennessee in

2120
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 7: front about twelve minutes remaining in regulation. They're also the

2121
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 7: Giants and Patriots in a slobber knocker of a game

2122
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:44,799
Speaker 7: in the sense that there really isn't much offense.

2123
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Do you say slabber knocker? Yeah, that's importantly did Wow?

2124
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good.

2125
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 3: I like it.

2126
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good I'm going to use that

2127
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 2: a lot.

2128
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 7: Wouldn't that be the perfect way to typify the way

2129
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 7: this game is going?

2130
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 3: Very much.

2131
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like old school just runs football from the

2132
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,600
Speaker 7: twenties and thirties.

2133
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 1: Get those leather helmets out.

2134
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell you what.

2135
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn slabbery a Franks broke out there you go.

2136
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 3: It's a real humdinger.

2137
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. Yeah, what a habitasher? What is evan?

2138
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 3: A habit dasher?

2139
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 1: Habit dasher?

2140
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:22,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you could say both defenses or offenses are

2141
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,759
Speaker 7: having ho hum efforts or hum drum efforts.

2142
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: Drums better?

2143
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, enough of this, tom fo.

2144
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh there you go.

2145
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 7: So Giants ten, Patriots seven midway through the fourth quarter.

2146
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 7: And last week, guys, really quickly Texans. They had a

2147
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 7: lead fourteen to thirteen, and now it's eight points in

2148
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 7: the third quarter for the Jaguars and an extra field goal.

2149
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 7: Theyre to add things to their lead in the fourth

2150
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 7: twenty four to fourteen Jaguars over the Texans eleven twenty

2151
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 7: in the fourth quarter. Trevor Lawrence three hundred and fifty

2152
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 7: eight yards passing and as they send it back to you,

2153
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 7: Rich and Steve, if only we could get that kind

2154
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 7: of effort from a UCLA quarterback.

2155
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been.

2156
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: Nice this year, but unfortunately did not happen.

2157
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrence has had a big day. But one thing

2158
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 2: we know about this Texans team, don't count them out.

2159
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,760
Speaker 2: Still plenty of time for CJ. Stroud and company to

2160
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 2: turn this thing around. This Fox Sports Red Zone Radio,

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2165
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 2: So Giants lead the Pats ten to seven. The reason

2166
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 2: we're talking so much of this is that the Tommy

2167
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 2: DeVito fanfare on social media knows no limits. His passer

2168
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 2: rating in this game is over one hundred one oh

2169
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 2: three point eight, again with much fun. He's having fun

2170
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 2: and DeVito's getting the job then not getting a whole

2171
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 2: lot of help out of their running game. Saekwon Barkley

2172
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 2: only has forty three yards rushing in this game. As

2173
01:45:55,880 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 2: far as the Patriots combine quarterbacking, their combined quarterback passer

2174
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 2: rating is thirty three point nine, no touchdowns, three interceptions.

2175
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 2: At some point Belichick is going to have to I

2176
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 2: don't know if they lose this game to it bit

2177
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,400
Speaker 2: and the Giants are terrible by the way, the Vito

2178
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: has been sacked five times, which is average.

2179
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Like the two worst.

2180
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,839
Speaker 2: Offensive lines in the NFL are the Giants and the Jets.

2181
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean, there are no worse offensive lines currently in

2182
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 2: the NFL than the Giants and.

2183
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 3: The Geants, There's no doubt.

2184
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 2: And so they're getting DeVito on the ground. But it's

2185
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 2: still enough, not enough at least now, because you have

2186
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 2: no offense. What's the new Belichick spin? I mean, he

2187
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 2: still has to whether I mean they still have six

2188
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 2: more games after this, Yeah, yeah, I mean.

2189
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 3: You don't you can't spin it. It's bad football.

2190
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 2: Well, what means he gonna say postgame? I mean, I

2191
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 2: know that he doesn't say a lot now win or lose,

2192
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,000
Speaker 2: but at some point, I mean, the questions are still

2193
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 2: going to be fired his way. And I'm just I mean,

2194
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 2: he's never had to face a situation like this.

2195
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 4: Oh, You're absolutely right, And it's because he's had special,

2196
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 4: talented quarterback virtually his entire career. And I made this

2197
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 4: point when a lot of people were attacking Belichick earlier

2198
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 4: in the season, and I'll make the point again. Now, Look,

2199
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 4: without a special quarterback, you can't win in this league.

2200
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 4: It's been that way forever. You go back to Bill

2201
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 4: wash Walsh in Montana. You know it's the same.

2202
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 2: Then act as Paul Brown and Otto Graham absolutely And

2203
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 2: after Otto Graham retired, guess what Paul Brown, who actually

2204
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 2: had a team named after him, if he did not

2205
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 2: know that Browns fans?

2206
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: Who was Luis Record?

2207
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:49,640
Speaker 4: Who is Roger Starbucks coach Tom Landry? Tom Landry we

2208
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:53,560
Speaker 4: remember his name in part because of Roger Starbucks.

2209
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 3: No doubt. You know I mean this, It doesn't matter,

2210
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,759
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who we're talking about. Pete Carroll, Russell Wilson.

2211
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter who who you're talking about, Patrick Mahomes,

2212
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 4: Andy Reid, We're going to always, always, inexorably link great

2213
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 4: quarterback play to great head coaches because guess what, you

2214
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 4: need both.

2215
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 3: You need both to be a dynasty.

2216
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 4: You need both for continuous success, and if you don't

2217
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 4: have both, you're not going to be continually successful. And

2218
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 4: unfortunately for the Patriots, they've entered an era where it's

2219
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 4: been Cam Newton, and it's been Mac Jones, and it's

2220
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 4: been Brian Horrier at times when he was still there,

2221
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 4: and it's Bellie Zappi, and it's just, I mean, those

2222
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 4: aren't going to be the answers to this problem. You

2223
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 4: gotta find the next Tom Brady. If you're going to

2224
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 4: have a special run, you need to have a special quarterback.

2225
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 4: And right now, if I'm Bill Belichick, the only way

2226
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 4: I'm saving my job is I'm convincing Robert Kraft that

2227
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 4: if we suck bad enough this year, I'm gonna go

2228
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 4: out and I'm gonna get us the best quarterback in

2229
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 4: this draft, and we're gonna fix things around here.

2230
01:48:59,120 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 10: All Right.

2231
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 2: I have Chris with a dynamite stat that he wants

2232
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 2: to share with us right now.

2233
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 9: So, just as a quick update, the Steelers have actually

2234
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 9: have just now passed four hundred yards of total offense

2235
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 9: here against the Cincinnati Bengals. It has been fifty eight

2236
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 9: games where they have not passed four hundred yards of

2237
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 9: total they've been piling two of the twenty twenty COVID season.

2238
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 3: Wow.

2239
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 2: Well, once again they get into the red zone here

2240
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 2: and they're forced to settle for a field goal attempt.

2241
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been bad in the red zone today for

2242
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're one for three on trips in

2243
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 4: the red zone and it's just not good enough. You

2244
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 4: gotta score on those opportunities when they present themselves. But

2245
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett twenty four for thirty three two seventy eight

2246
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 4: through the air, Najie Harris fifteen carries, nine to nine

2247
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 4: yards and a touchdown Friarmouth. Their their tight end nine

2248
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 4: receptions one twenty.

2249
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: Him back is huge for them.

2250
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 3: Huge.

2251
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 4: He's a he's a playmaker, and obviously when you have

2252
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 4: a quarterback who is in as talented, you really do

2253
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 4: like to highlight the running backs and the tight ends

2254
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 4: in the passing game.

2255
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 3: And they're getting it to.

2256
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 2: Them now here's the latest set it down for the Patriots.

2257
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hear it.

2258
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 2: So they had a first down on their own thirty

2259
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 2: six yard line. They ran the ball for a one

2260
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 2: yard loss incomplete pass, and then Zappi gets sacked for

2261
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:27,639
Speaker 2: a seven yard loss.

2262
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 3: Ooki dookie, and.

2263
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 2: That resulted in yet another punt for the Patriots. So,

2264
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean, when you have a set of downs, fresh

2265
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 2: set of downs and you end up with negative yards

2266
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 2: instead of positive yards, something's not working. I will tell

2267
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 2: you this. The Saints are trying to come back now

2268
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 2: on the Falcons. So twenty one point fifteen Falcons lead

2269
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 2: this game, but the Saints have the ball right now

2270
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 2: first ount their own thirty five yard line six and

2271
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 2: a half minutes to go in that game.

2272
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 1: By the way, the Steelers field goal is good.

2273
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 2: So they increase their lead over the Bengals to sixteen

2274
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 2: to seven less than three minutes to go in the

2275
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. So looks pretty good for the Steelers to

2276
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 2: get to seven and four.

2277
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable.

2278
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this about the University of Iowa,

2279
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 2: right yep. I don't know what the final total offense

2280
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,360
Speaker 2: standings for FBS, but going into the final week they

2281
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 2: were still last out of one hundred and thirty teams.

2282
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: They won again yesterday, ugly.

2283
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:30,480
Speaker 2: Ten and two with the worst offense in the entire country,

2284
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 2: like ya, not one of the bottom fifteen or no,

2285
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 2: last out of one hundred and thirty teams, last one

2286
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 2: thirty out of one thirty, and they go ten and

2287
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 2: two and get to the Big Ten championship game.

2288
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

2289
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you haven't noticed, the Iowa

2290
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 2: uniforms look like the Seiler uniforms, same uniforms.

2291
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 4: Well, and what's amazing about that situation is that's that's

2292
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 4: the exception because just like we were talking about in

2293
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:57,600
Speaker 4: pro football, it takes a great culture builder and a

2294
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 4: good quarterback or a great quarterback to have.

2295
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:00,719
Speaker 3: Content new success.

2296
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 4: In Iowa, they haven't had a good quarterback and lord

2297
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 4: knows how long.

2298
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Duncan was runner up for the Heisman. Actually,

2299
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,839
Speaker 2: Chuck Long nineteen eighty five.

2300
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 3: Chuck Long in nineteen eighty five.

2301
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:16,200
Speaker 1: He's been runner up to Bo Jackson years ago. Yeah.

2302
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 2: Well, oh well, Brad Banks, I'm sorry, I mean, I

2303
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 2: know Iowa people are.

2304
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: Screaming at me.

2305
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 2: He was the runner up for the Heisman at Carson

2306
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 2: Palmer in two thousand and two. All these names are

2307
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 2: coming to my head, right of course, of course, yes,

2308
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:28,600
Speaker 2: it happens to Mary.

2309
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 3: Yellow and black. Look here, here's the deal with the Hawkeyes, though.

2310
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 4: They they've found a way, almost like Mike Rabel for

2311
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:40,600
Speaker 4: a time in Tennessee, to hide some of their inefficiencies offensively,

2312
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 4: to put it as kindly as humanly possible, with great

2313
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 4: defense and a strong enough running game that they can

2314
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 4: take time off the clock.

2315
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 3: And play keep away a little bit.

2316
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 4: And when you have that, you have that sort of setup,

2317
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 4: you can make it work for a time at the

2318
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 4: pro level.

2319
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 3: But then things will catch up to you.

2320
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 4: Obviously, Derrick Henry's health, some other health issues. Defensively for

2321
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 4: the Tennessee Titans, it's going sideways this year. But at

2322
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 4: the college football level, nobody has done a better job.

2323
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 3: With as paltry of.

2324
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 4: An offense as Kirk Ferentz and keeping a job because

2325
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 4: most times there would be every I mean, people would

2326
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 4: be coming with their torches and pitchforks to your front door.

2327
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 3: This guy somehow had double digit wins.

2328
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,520
Speaker 2: All right, It does not look good for the Texans

2329
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 2: they had a fourth and one at their own forty

2330
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 2: six yard line. They went for it and Stroud through

2331
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 2: a deep pass on fourth and one from his own

2332
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 2: forty six incomplete. So the Jaguars with a ten point

2333
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 2: lead and the ball takeover on downs.

2334
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 1: So we'll keep our eye on that. We'll continue on.

2335
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: I know at least one.

2336
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:49,360
Speaker 2: Of these games is gonna come down to an exciting finish.

2337
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 1: I'm praying my fingers across. This is Fox Sports Red

2338
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 1: Zone Radio. Shotgun Snap gives it to Taylor and he

2339
01:53:56,920 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 1: back pedals his way in touchdown. Jonathan Taylor two rushing

2340
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 1: touchdowns today for j T.

2341
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 3: Colts sixtend their lead.

2342
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 10: It's twenty six to seventeen as the confetti flies here

2343
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 10: at Lucas Oil.

2344
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 2: That's Colts Radio Network. Colts now lead the Bucks twenty

2345
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 2: seven to twenty four minutes ago in the fourth quarter

2346
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 2: in that game. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

2347
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 2: We are live from the ty iraq dot Com studios.

2348
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 2: Five of our six games are one score games, and

2349
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 2: one's about to become one as the Texans trying to

2350
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,679
Speaker 2: come back against the Jaguars. And we've seen this from CJ.

2351
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:34,760
Speaker 2: Stroud week after week don't count this kid out. They

2352
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 2: have a and they just got the touchdown. Wow pass

2353
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 2: to Collins for the touchdown. So just like that, the

2354
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 2: Texans are one point away from making this a three

2355
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 2: point game. But again, no doubt about this talent of CJ.

2356
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 2: Stroud And as we always talk about young quarterbacks and

2357
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 2: the eyeball tests, do they have the look of belonging

2358
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 2: on the field, Because veterans have that, Guys that have

2359
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 2: establish themselves.

2360
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 1: You can just see a certain swagger. Call what you

2361
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 1: will that.

2362
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a guy that understands a good play at

2363
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,120
Speaker 2: a high level to be successful in the NFL.

2364
01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: But CJ. Straud seemingly has had that from day.

2365
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 3: One, Oh, no question about it.

2366
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,919
Speaker 4: Well, it starts with belief and he believes in himself

2367
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 4: and his players have grown to trust him and believe

2368
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 4: in him too. His head coach obviously has. He has

2369
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 4: the full faith of his head coach and Demko Ryans.

2370
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 4: This is what it looks like when you get it

2371
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 4: right at quarterback coming out of the draft. He is

2372
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 4: a special talent. He's only going to build on this.

2373
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 4: It doesn't look to me like a flash in the

2374
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 4: pan situation because there's no tricks to this. You know

2375
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 4: this isn't him just outrunning everyone, and you think, well,

2376
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 4: he's kind of a cheat code, right, a dual threat guy.

2377
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 4: What happens with defense his game plan for him? No,

2378
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 4: he's doing it from the pocket like he's doing it

2379
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 4: the right way. He's learned this offense, he's understanding what

2380
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,839
Speaker 4: defenses are doing to them, and he's getting huge wins

2381
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 4: in huge moments of the Houston Texans.

2382
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 1: All right, so let's run down the scoreboard quickly.

2383
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 2: Here the Falcons have just made a field goal, so

2384
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 2: they look in good shape, leading the Saints twenty four

2385
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 2: to fifteen, one forty seven to go in the fourth quarter.

2386
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 2: We've got the final seconds ticking off right now with

2387
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers leading the Bengals by a score of

2388
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 2: sixteen to ten.

2389
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: However, they are no, I guess they are taking.

2390
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 2: A knee and that is a final score. So just

2391
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 2: like that, the Steelers have advanced to seven and four

2392
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 2: on the season. They beat the Bengals by a score

2393
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 2: of sixteen to ten, and as Chris said that the

2394
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 2: first time the Steelers have had over four hundred total

2395
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:47,320
Speaker 2: yards in offense despite only sixteen points in let me

2396
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 2: count it out.

2397
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 1: Four years.

2398
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, since Week two of twenty twenty, so three yeah, wow, So.

2399
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 2: Over three and a half years since that happened. But

2400
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 2: the Steelers come away with a victory the Titans. This

2401
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 2: has been I thought I had to reset to see

2402
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 2: if the computer was stuck. Titans are leading the Panthers

2403
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:09,840
Speaker 2: seventeen to ten. That score has been up forever. Four

2404
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:12,080
Speaker 2: minutes to go in the fourth quarter there, now here's

2405
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 2: a big one. The Colts leading the Buccaneers twenty seven

2406
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 2: to twenty. The Bucks have the ball two twenty to go,

2407
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 2: so we'll see if Baker Mayfield can lead a comeback there. Meanwhile,

2408
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 2: speaking of comebacks, the Patriots have the ball third and

2409
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 2: eight right now at the Giants twenty yard line. Chris,

2410
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 2: can we get that one up now?

2411
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 1: On the score?

2412
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 2: Bailey's Zappi trying to engineer an unlikely comeback here in

2413
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:42,720
Speaker 2: a game that has been as ugly as advertised. All right,

2414
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 2: let's keep it right here on this game. So we

2415
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 2: have thirty one seconds to go in the fourth quarter.

2416
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:52,440
Speaker 2: The Patriots are at the Giants twenty yard line, trailing

2417
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 2: the Giants by a score of ten to seven, and

2418
01:57:56,200 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 2: on third and eight, they run the ball. Wow, now

2419
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 2: that is unbelievable.

2420
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: Now a gannon.

2421
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 2: The last seconds are going off, so apparently they're just

2422
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:07,640
Speaker 2: going to run it down for a game tie in

2423
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 2: field goal.

2424
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 1: But you would think third and eight at the twenty.

2425
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 2: Yard line that you, I don't know, might try a

2426
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 2: pass to win the game.

2427
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 4: But oh no, no, they're doing it the right way.

2428
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I'm.

2429
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:22,920
Speaker 1: Wow, this what why?

2430
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:23,480
Speaker 3: Why?

2431
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 4: Why on earth would you would you have your care

2432
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 4: if you're trying to win, if you're legitimately trying to win,

2433
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 4: why on earth would you risk the turnover?

2434
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Well, I remember we said the winner of this game

2435
01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 2: is a loser. This would be the perfect game to

2436
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 2: end up in a ten ten tie, oh my gosh

2437
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 2: after overtime, and very possible considering how end up these

2438
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:46,600
Speaker 2: offenses have been. But first we have to have Ryland

2439
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:48,560
Speaker 2: come on to attempt a field goal. It's not a

2440
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,280
Speaker 2: long field goal attempt. I believe it's going to be

2441
01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 2: about thirty four yards, but dude, this is this gamely

2442
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,200
Speaker 2: five yard field goal attempt.

2443
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 3: This game is just out rageous right now.

2444
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,640
Speaker 2: All right here we go thirty five yard field goal attempts.

2445
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 2: Six seconds ago in the fourth quarter of the Patriots

2446
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 2: trying to force this game. Do we really want to

2447
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 2: see more of this game that.

2448
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:11,680
Speaker 3: We know we do not?

2449
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:14,800
Speaker 2: Yes, Brian Dabele doesn't even want to see more of

2450
01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 2: this game. He's on the sidelines. They call a time out. Really,

2451
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:22,919
Speaker 2: you're gonna ice the guy? Yeah again, if you're the Giants,

2452
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:25,280
Speaker 2: the idea is actually to lose this game.

2453
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:27,400
Speaker 1: Will not just ice the guy ice us. We wanted

2454
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:29,280
Speaker 1: to call this field goal here, yeah we did.

2455
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:31,600
Speaker 2: We're running out of time toward the top of the

2456
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 2: hour here, but we're gonna try to Look at Bailey zappy,

2457
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 2: he feels like I did my job. I got myself

2458
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 2: in scoring position. You're damn right, all right, We're just

2459
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 2: gonna have to guess on this one. I'm gonna predict

2460
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 2: it's good. I'm gonna say good. We had ot coming up,

2461
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 2: all right, that's New Yorks. Keep it here for the

2462
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 2: actual answer. This is Fox Sports Red Zoe Radio.

2463
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 10: Rookie is set from thirty five to tie it Snap

2464
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:57,400
Speaker 10: is good, kick on its way and over.

2465
01:59:57,200 --> 02:00:00,000
Speaker 3: And it's so good. Pig, mister White laugh.

2466
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:10,040
Speaker 2: Violent, mister wildlift, don't ever underestimate my ability to turn

2467
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:14,800
Speaker 2: the fortunes of any team. W fan Giants Radio Network.

2468
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,360
Speaker 2: That is unbalievable.

2469
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 3: You think Belichick told this kicker, if you make this kick,

2470
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 3: you're fired.

2471
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that was unbelievable.

2472
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,160
Speaker 2: You know we're going in the break right at the top,

2473
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 2: we'd run out of time. We both said, yeah, we're

2474
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 2: going to go to overtime, right, we really want overtime.

2475
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 1: No, we don't want any more of this game? Hooked it?

2476
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,800
Speaker 2: I mean, and like you say, maybe Belichick said, you

2477
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:45,480
Speaker 2: want to keep your job, you don't make this kick.

2478
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:48,480
Speaker 2: Think about the whole sequence at the end of that game.

2479
02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 2: I would love I know he's not going to say

2480
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 2: anything postgame about this. You run the ball on third

2481
02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 2: and eight at the twenty yard line, you don't even

2482
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,560
Speaker 2: make an attempt to win the game. On the clock

2483
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 2: all the way down to five seconds, you bring your

2484
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 2: kicker on for a seemingly gimme thirty five yard field goal.

2485
02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:10,360
Speaker 2: He misses. What do we say again about the winner

2486
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 2: of this game? The winner of this game ends up

2487
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:16,480
Speaker 2: a loser. Giants now four wins, They're out of the chase.

2488
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:20,360
Speaker 2: They've pretty much taken themselves out of the chase for

2489
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 2: the number one pick in.

2490
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:25,879
Speaker 1: The draft of the Patriots. They are in sweet position

2491
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:27,880
Speaker 1: right now at two and nine.

2492
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 2: All right, By the way, Fox Sports Red Zone Radio,

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Colts did beat the Buccaneers twenty

2499
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Speaker 2: seven to twenty so the Colts are six and five,

2500
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,280
Speaker 2: very much in the playoff chase. The Bucks big loss,

2501
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 2: they dropped to four and seven. We mentioned the Steelers

2502
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,440
Speaker 2: getting the win sixteen to ten on the road against

2503
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:01,000
Speaker 2: the Bengals. Falcons hang on to beat the Saints, so

2504
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 2: those two teams now are tied for first place in

2505
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 2: the NFC South with the great record of five and six.

2506
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 2: So we have two games going on right now. The

2507
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:15,080
Speaker 2: big game is the Jaguars and the Texans. They got

2508
02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:20,160
Speaker 2: the two minute warning. Texans have the ball trying to

2509
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 2: get into field goal position rich but they face a

2510
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:26,320
Speaker 2: second and twenty five from their own thirty two yard line. Meanwhile,

2511
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:29,240
Speaker 2: Titans trying to put away the Panthers right now leads

2512
02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 2: seventeen to ten, a little over a minute to go.

2513
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:36,040
Speaker 2: Titans have the ball deep in Carolina territory. But again,

2514
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:38,880
Speaker 2: this is the point when we look at a situation

2515
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:41,720
Speaker 2: with a quarterback like and by the way, they're running

2516
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 2: out the final second. So the Titans are going to

2517
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 2: beat the Panthers by a score of seventeen to ten.

2518
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:48,600
Speaker 2: But getting back to the Texans here, this is the

2519
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 2: kind of situation we've seen all season long with CJ.

2520
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:55,560
Speaker 2: Stroud where it seems like maybe not this week, and

2521
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:57,480
Speaker 2: then he fingers out a way to win a game,

2522
02:02:57,720 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 2: or at least in this case, trying to send this

2523
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 2: game in over time.

2524
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:05,440
Speaker 4: I I'm I'm so hung up on this Pittsburgh Steelers

2525
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 4: offensive stat Yeah they that they before today. The last

2526
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:13,720
Speaker 4: time they had a four hundred yard total offense game

2527
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 4: was back in Week two of the twenty twenty season. Yep,

2528
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 4: Like like, I went back and I looked at that game.

2529
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 4: So they beat the Denver Broncos. It's a twenty six

2530
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 4: to twenty one final in Pittsburgh. They got out to

2531
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 4: a two and oho start Ben Roethlisberger twenty nine to

2532
02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:30,240
Speaker 4: forty one, three hundred eleven yards, two touchdowns and a pick.

2533
02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:33,600
Speaker 4: James Connor sixteen carries for one ZHO six and a touchdown.

2534
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:38,440
Speaker 4: Like the Steelers, this feels like a different era of

2535
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Steelers.

2536
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:43,280
Speaker 2: In some ways, it's the same because it's Mike Tomlin, right,

2537
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:46,600
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin, So he makes think about this.

2538
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 1: They don't fire people in Pittsburgh, No, they don't. They

2539
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:50,360
Speaker 1: just don't.

2540
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 2: I mean, this was his handpick guy who he elevated

2541
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:56,000
Speaker 2: to offensive coordinator a couple of years ago to hopefully

2542
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,560
Speaker 2: ignite an offense that you know, I hit the skids

2543
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 2: with a Decaine Ben Rothberger. It didn't happen, And the

2544
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:06,280
Speaker 2: first week after he is fired, they have their most

2545
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 2: offensive production in terms of yards, not points, but yards

2546
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:11,640
Speaker 2: in three and a half years.

2547
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 1: All right, So now we're.

2548
02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:17,800
Speaker 4: So the last time, the last time the Steelers had

2549
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:21,400
Speaker 4: four hundred yards of total offense. The Emmys were virtual

2550
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 4: and they were hosted by Jimmy Kimmel.

2551
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:25,560
Speaker 3: We were steeped in the middle of the pandemic.

2552
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 1: I remember that in the sense that nobody watched. That's

2553
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:31,520
Speaker 1: a great but I remember about that, all right, CJ. Stroud.

2554
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:36,480
Speaker 2: Now is they're at the Jacksonville forty six yard line.

2555
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:40,760
Speaker 1: We just had a sack of CJ. Stroud.

2556
02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 2: So it's a second and nineteen, still plenty of time,

2557
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 2: minute ten to go. I'm looking here and Houston is

2558
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 2: out of timeouts. So right now they figure they want

2559
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:57,040
Speaker 2: to get down to about the thirty one yard line.

2560
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:59,680
Speaker 2: They need about fifty more yards to get into a

2561
02:05:00,040 --> 02:05:03,840
Speaker 2: reasonable field goal range to send this game into overtime.

2562
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:06,839
Speaker 2: So here we go, second and nineteen at the forty

2563
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:10,320
Speaker 2: six yard line for the Texans. Stroud throws the ball

2564
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:12,320
Speaker 2: over the middle. That's going to pick up a few

2565
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:15,840
Speaker 2: yards and more, actually fighting for yards inside the forty

2566
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 2: yard line again though no timeouts, so the clock is

2567
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:23,200
Speaker 2: running right now inside a minute fifty five fifty four.

2568
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:26,040
Speaker 2: They still need a few more yards here, Rich to

2569
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:27,880
Speaker 2: get into field goal range. Right now, it's.

2570
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:29,560
Speaker 1: About a fifty seven yard er.

2571
02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 2: That's too long, all right. They snapped the ball quickly.

2572
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:35,880
Speaker 2: Stroud is going to scramble. I just feel like every

2573
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:37,160
Speaker 2: time this guy's going to come up.

2574
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:37,720
Speaker 1: With an answer.

2575
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:41,040
Speaker 2: Oh I know, and he is looking around and he

2576
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 2: has to throw the ball away and it's incomplete. So

2577
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:47,840
Speaker 2: they are now looking at a fourth and twelve. All right,

2578
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:48,760
Speaker 2: So what do you do here?

2579
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:52,560
Speaker 1: Rich? Thirty four seconds left, no timeouts.

2580
02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:55,640
Speaker 2: If you try to kick a field goal, it's a

2581
02:05:55,800 --> 02:05:57,680
Speaker 2: fifty six yard field goal.

2582
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:00,240
Speaker 4: No, you got to you gotta find a way get

2583
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:03,520
Speaker 4: this first down. I mean, there's there's no other way

2584
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:06,160
Speaker 4: about it. You're you're within three points, you can go

2585
02:06:06,280 --> 02:06:08,680
Speaker 4: for the time. But matt Amadola is new to this team.

2586
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:10,560
Speaker 4: Do you trust him in this moment or do you

2587
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 4: trust CJ.

2588
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 3: Stroud?

2589
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:13,200
Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna bring Amadola on.

2590
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,520
Speaker 2: Oh boy, so he is like you said, he was

2591
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:21,520
Speaker 2: brought in after their kicker was injured. Kyimi Fairbairn in

2592
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:25,400
Speaker 2: his career from fifty yards, he's over four yep, yep.

2593
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:27,440
Speaker 1: I never made a fifty.

2594
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:30,080
Speaker 2: Yard field goal and he's attempting one from fifty six yards.

2595
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't love the decision. I'd put

2596
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 3: it in the Actually it's not.

2597
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:37,200
Speaker 2: Forty six, it's a fifty eight yard A tip, lord,

2598
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:39,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2599
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:40,640
Speaker 1: More than twelve.

2600
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:43,760
Speaker 2: I mean again, a tough call here.

2601
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:47,480
Speaker 4: Look, this is one of those calls where I guess,

2602
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 4: probably by the book, he's doing I'm talking tomko Ryans,

2603
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 4: he's doing what's right? You know what I mean, I'm

2604
02:06:54,040 --> 02:06:56,000
Speaker 4: sure the book would tell you to try to attempt

2605
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:57,000
Speaker 4: it if you have a kicker.

2606
02:06:56,840 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 2: Who well, the odds are making a first down of

2607
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 2: fourth and twelve aren't good. But yesterday Alabama on a

2608
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:03,240
Speaker 2: fourth and goal from the thirty one won the game

2609
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:04,160
Speaker 2: with a touchdown pass.

2610
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2611
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know, look, I'm who do you

2612
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:10,280
Speaker 4: trust more, Amondola.

2613
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:12,000
Speaker 1: Or this one?

2614
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2615
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:14,400
Speaker 2: I mean again, we're talking about a kicker who's never

2616
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:16,640
Speaker 2: made a fifty yard field goal and he's attempting one

2617
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 2: from fifty eight yards. Yeah, the odds are this is

2618
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 2: going to be short or blocked. Well, I think they're

2619
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:27,200
Speaker 2: actually purposely lining this. Normally would be a fifty six

2620
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,600
Speaker 2: yard field goal, but they're actually lining them up deeper,

2621
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,560
Speaker 2: so I guess it won't be blocked. Yeah, I guess

2622
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:35,320
Speaker 2: they think if he can make it from fifty six,

2623
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:36,560
Speaker 2: he can make it for fifty eight.

2624
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 1: All right, here we go.

2625
02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 2: This is the field goal attempt to try to send

2626
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:44,520
Speaker 2: this game into over time. The kick is up, it's straight,

2627
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:50,160
Speaker 2: it's straight. Oh my, it hits the crossbar. My my,

2628
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean it was dead center, dead center and hit

2629
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:57,240
Speaker 2: the cross bar.

2630
02:07:57,560 --> 02:07:58,480
Speaker 3: Unreal.

2631
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 1: That was the biggest kick Avon Doola's life.

2632
02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 2: And by the way Hendy kicked it from fifty six

2633
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:06,400
Speaker 2: instead of fifty eight, he probably would have made it.

2634
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:10,200
Speaker 4: H I mean it was legitimate. It banged off the crossbar.

2635
02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:10,880
Speaker 1: It was.

2636
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 2: It was dead center, I mean center and all right

2637
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 2: in the middle of the crossbar.

2638
02:08:19,120 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, but for whatever reason, still still in

2639
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:24,640
Speaker 4: my heart, like even though it was that close, Steve,

2640
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:28,320
Speaker 4: I'm still thinking if if it was in and out

2641
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:31,040
Speaker 4: of the hands of a receiver or c. J. Stroud

2642
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 4: came up a two yards shy on a scramble or something,

2643
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:37,320
Speaker 4: it's the way to me this game should have ended.

2644
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:38,960
Speaker 3: If fast end anyway.

2645
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, that means the Jaguars now have a two game

2646
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 2: lead in the AFC South as they advanced to eight

2647
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:45,200
Speaker 2: and three on the season.

2648
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:48,320
Speaker 1: Texans fall two six and five.

2649
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:52,560
Speaker 4: What a finish Houston man. That is the toughest out

2650
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,400
Speaker 4: in football right now. Oh yeah, you will get fought

2651
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:57,200
Speaker 4: to the bitter end when you play CJ.

2652
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:58,720
Speaker 3: Stroud in the Houston Texans.

2653
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:02,160
Speaker 2: But meanwhile we get back to the Jaguars and again

2654
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:04,360
Speaker 2: I look at the Jaguars in the same vein as

2655
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 2: I look at the Detroit Lions, both teams sitting at

2656
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,440
Speaker 2: eight and three, you know, well on their way to

2657
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:12,400
Speaker 2: the postseason. But can they do some jammage now? The Jags,

2658
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 2: of course, got a playoff win last year thanks to

2659
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:16,120
Speaker 2: the Chargers.

2660
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 1: And second half their unbelievable collapse.

2661
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:20,880
Speaker 2: Remember in that game, Trevor Lawrence had four picks in

2662
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:23,280
Speaker 2: the first half and still was able to.

2663
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:24,480
Speaker 1: Come back and win that game.

2664
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:26,480
Speaker 2: All right, So we have a couple of games just

2665
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 2: getting underway right now. The Rams at the Cardinals, Browns

2666
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:34,120
Speaker 2: at the Broncos. Will continue to update you on everything

2667
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:37,680
Speaker 2: around the NFL. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

2668
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:41,680
Speaker 2: Steve Harman and Rich Harnberger with you here on Fox

2669
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:45,520
Speaker 2: Sports Red Zone Radio. We are live from the tire

2670
02:09:45,720 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 2: rack dot Com studios. All Rich, I want to play

2671
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:51,240
Speaker 2: a highlight for you, by the way, with the Patriots

2672
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 2: lost today, dropping the record at two and nine, that

2673
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:58,240
Speaker 2: means that for the third time in four years since

2674
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:02,720
Speaker 2: Tom Brady left New England will have a losing record.

2675
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:06,600
Speaker 2: So they went seven to nine, ten and seven, eight

2676
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:09,440
Speaker 2: and nine, and now they are two to nine as

2677
02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:13,080
Speaker 2: they clinch yet another losing season. By the way, just

2678
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:16,120
Speaker 2: for the record, in the eleven season. This is the

2679
02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:19,960
Speaker 2: eleventh season in Belichick's career that he does not have

2680
02:10:20,040 --> 02:10:23,600
Speaker 2: Tom Brady as his starting quarterback. Five in Cleveland, his

2681
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 2: first year in New England, the year course that Brady

2682
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:31,320
Speaker 2: went down with the injury, Matt Castle took over, and

2683
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:36,200
Speaker 2: then the four years since Brady left. In those eleven years,

2684
02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:41,040
Speaker 2: he has won exactly one playoff game that was in Cleveland.

2685
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:44,480
Speaker 2: By the way, Basically, with Tom Brady, they were at

2686
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:47,560
Speaker 2: least in the AFC Championship game every year. All right,

2687
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:50,800
Speaker 2: So let's hear the call we heard earlier, the call

2688
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:53,040
Speaker 2: of the missfield goal. So what it came down to

2689
02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:55,440
Speaker 2: was a thirty five yard field goal for the Patriots

2690
02:10:55,480 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 2: five seconds left to send the game against the Giants

2691
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:02,400
Speaker 2: into overtime. We heard the Giants call. Let's hear how

2692
02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 2: the Patriots announcers made the same call on this missed

2693
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:09,920
Speaker 2: field goal that would have sent this game into overtime.

2694
02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:12,360
Speaker 3: Land kicked and it clears the line an't going to

2695
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:12,880
Speaker 3: that rise.

2696
02:11:12,960 --> 02:11:15,360
Speaker 1: It's no good.

2697
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:19,720
Speaker 10: It hooks left with three seconds to go, and the

2698
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:24,640
Speaker 10: Giants are going to win it by a field goal.

2699
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:30,800
Speaker 10: After the myst kick by the rookie rilin. I don't want

2700
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 10: to get dissected after this. Had to get rid of

2701
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 10: Nick Fulton, right mister're automatic?

2702
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:35,440
Speaker 3: Wow?

2703
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:39,760
Speaker 10: Has the Patriots on the punt returned by Bryan had

2704
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:43,440
Speaker 10: the ball at midfield trying to tie the game, playing

2705
02:11:43,480 --> 02:11:45,440
Speaker 10: for the tie with the two and eight record, and

2706
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:47,000
Speaker 10: now they're going to fall to two and nine for

2707
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:49,880
Speaker 10: the first time since nineteen ninety two. Cops the de

2708
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:55,400
Speaker 10: Vido co'bs there fifteen minutes from home, drops to the

2709
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:58,920
Speaker 10: knee and the Giants have back to back wins as

2710
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:02,320
Speaker 10: they beat the Patriots by the ten to seven final.

2711
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:05,080
Speaker 1: You're at MetLife Stadium in the medal land.

2712
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 3: That's what happens.

2713
02:12:06,040 --> 02:12:09,120
Speaker 10: You get the ball at the fifty handed to Taekwon Thornton,

2714
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 10: wait for the field goal, go win the game?

2715
02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:14,920
Speaker 3: Two and eight? This is this is what you get.

2716
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,440
Speaker 3: This is uh, this is what you are. You didn't

2717
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:21,120
Speaker 3: deserve to win this game, all right?

2718
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 1: So the sports having the Patriots radio network.

2719
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:26,240
Speaker 2: All right, mister former Patriot, what do you make of

2720
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 2: that call and the sentiment that was oozing out of

2721
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:31,920
Speaker 2: the names are the guys in the booth?

2722
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:35,960
Speaker 4: Look, I mean, this is this is the reality of

2723
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:40,840
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty three Patriots. This is a team that

2724
02:12:40,840 --> 02:12:44,640
Speaker 4: that I mean, they stink that they they they are

2725
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:48,080
Speaker 4: a no good football team. They hurt themselves, they make

2726
02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:53,280
Speaker 4: too many mistakes. They're they're they're an incomplete team in

2727
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:58,440
Speaker 4: every single way top to bottom, offensively, defensively, and special teams.

2728
02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:00,920
Speaker 4: And you could throw in a bunch of the old

2729
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:04,160
Speaker 4: excuses that everybody can use, injuries and otherwise. But how

2730
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 4: many times have we said, yeah, like you know, injuries

2731
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:10,440
Speaker 4: don't necessarily matter. Just look at the Patriots, look at

2732
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:12,880
Speaker 4: what they're doing because they always had injuries, and Tom

2733
02:13:12,920 --> 02:13:17,360
Speaker 4: Brady and Bill Belichick always found a way to overcome injuries.

2734
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:20,360
Speaker 4: And then, like you know, you talk about a star

2735
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:23,920
Speaker 4: in Green Bay, like Aaron Rodgers requesting more from his

2736
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:27,520
Speaker 4: upper management, saying hey, I need more players, And then

2737
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:30,200
Speaker 4: everybody used the Patriots as an example saying, well, you

2738
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:33,120
Speaker 4: don't necessarily need stars. Look at Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

2739
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 4: They create stars offensively, They take scrap heat players and

2740
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:39,480
Speaker 4: make them all pro. You know, same thing with Russell

2741
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:42,879
Speaker 4: Wilson and Pete Carroll. You know, oh, you know Russell Wilson,

2742
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:46,160
Speaker 4: it's a power struggle. He wants more control over the offense. Well,

2743
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:48,960
Speaker 4: look at New England Tom Brady. You know he's done

2744
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:51,560
Speaker 4: it the Patriot way for all these years, and that's

2745
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:54,480
Speaker 4: how you run an organization. Look, the fact of the

2746
02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:57,120
Speaker 4: matter is the reason why the Patriots were so special

2747
02:13:57,120 --> 02:14:00,360
Speaker 4: for so long is because Bill Belichick was a great

2748
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:03,640
Speaker 4: culture builder and Tom Brady was a great quarterback, and

2749
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:07,640
Speaker 4: they stayed together for two decades and somehow made it work.

2750
02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:11,320
Speaker 4: They kept the marriage together for two decades. It looks

2751
02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:15,520
Speaker 4: bleak because the Patriots don't have a quarterback who's worth

2752
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:16,480
Speaker 4: the weight.

2753
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:18,840
Speaker 3: Of his jersey in New England right now.

2754
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,560
Speaker 2: So the first time they have started a season two

2755
02:14:21,560 --> 02:14:27,840
Speaker 2: and nine since nineteen ninety two. Those are some leaniars

2756
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:29,680
Speaker 2: of the Patriots back in the day when they were

2757
02:14:29,720 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 2: completely irrelevant in the Boston sports market.

2758
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 1: All Right, a couple of games going on right now.

2759
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,040
Speaker 2: The Broncos have taken a seven to nothing laid over

2760
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:41,400
Speaker 2: the Browns on a samajip Ryan a short rushing touchdown.

2761
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:43,040
Speaker 1: Again, Broncos win today.

2762
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:47,280
Speaker 2: They're over five hundred, They're on a four game winning streak,

2763
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:49,760
Speaker 2: and as you said earlier, Rich, if this team makes

2764
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:53,480
Speaker 2: it into the postseason, Sean Payton's navigated the postseason a

2765
02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:55,560
Speaker 2: few times over the course of his many years, and

2766
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,280
Speaker 2: in New Orleans look out. And they also have a quarterback,

2767
02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:01,280
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson that's been there before a as well. Meanwhile,

2768
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:03,920
Speaker 2: the Rams have a seven to nothing lead against the Cardinals.

2769
02:15:04,520 --> 02:15:06,480
Speaker 1: This one's personal for me.

2770
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:10,120
Speaker 2: Tyler Higbee on the receiving end of the touchdown passer

2771
02:15:10,160 --> 02:15:14,520
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, My daughter babysits his daughter.

2772
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:19,000
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Paris, Paris watches Tyler's kid.

2773
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:21,840
Speaker 1: Yes, there, their little daughter. She's adorable.

2774
02:15:22,040 --> 02:15:25,800
Speaker 2: And so meanwhile, Kyler Murray has just run for a

2775
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:28,440
Speaker 2: touchdown as the Arizona looks to tie up this game.

2776
02:15:29,200 --> 02:15:33,720
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, a couple of games into his return, has

2777
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:34,520
Speaker 2: looked pretty good.

2778
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:37,600
Speaker 3: Looking pretty good, I meaning pretty good. One one record

2779
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,400
Speaker 3: and almost a two and zero record.

2780
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean, apparently he didn't get the memo that they're

2781
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 2: trying to position themselves. Remember, this team was overwhelmingly picked

2782
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,120
Speaker 2: to be the worst team in the NFL this year.

2783
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:54,000
Speaker 2: Joshua Dobbs actually played pretty well for them early in

2784
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:56,280
Speaker 2: the year. Remember they got that win against the Cowboys.

2785
02:15:56,720 --> 02:15:59,000
Speaker 2: Then things went the little sideways. Whatever happened to that.

2786
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:03,760
Speaker 4: Guy Dobbs he's he's in Minnesota, that's right, and he's

2787
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:06,640
Speaker 4: still doing some pretty special teams for a Vikings team,

2788
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 4: keeping the wheels on there.

2789
02:16:08,040 --> 02:16:10,920
Speaker 2: I will say this about Callery on this opening drive

2790
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:13,160
Speaker 2: one right down the field, touchdown, we're tired at seven.

2791
02:16:13,240 --> 02:16:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, doing exactly what he should do. Because if he

2792
02:16:16,120 --> 02:16:18,520
Speaker 4: wants to stay through the rebuild and be a part

2793
02:16:18,520 --> 02:16:21,880
Speaker 4: of it in Arizona, he needs to prove to this Arizona,

2794
02:16:22,680 --> 02:16:25,920
Speaker 4: this Arizona front office, and this new coaching staff that

2795
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:32,120
Speaker 4: he's he's worth keeping around and that's he's committed to build,

2796
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:37,039
Speaker 4: helping them build this program as strong as they possibly can. Well,

2797
02:16:37,560 --> 02:16:39,320
Speaker 4: the other side of that coin is play as well

2798
02:16:39,360 --> 02:16:41,320
Speaker 4: as he can if you want to get out of Dodge. Also,

2799
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:43,840
Speaker 4: because if come the end of the season, he doesn't

2800
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:46,840
Speaker 4: like where this franchise is heading, I mean things have

2801
02:16:46,959 --> 02:16:49,960
Speaker 4: already soured in some ways. You know, from a public

2802
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:54,320
Speaker 4: narrative standpoint, he could very easily put in his request

2803
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:58,400
Speaker 4: for trade, and I think the the Arizona Cardinals would oblige,

2804
02:16:58,879 --> 02:17:00,840
Speaker 4: and I bet you they would be able to find

2805
02:17:00,959 --> 02:17:04,080
Speaker 4: a trade suitor, somebody who's interested in taking on the

2806
02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:07,560
Speaker 4: talents and maybe some of the complications of having Kyler

2807
02:17:07,600 --> 02:17:11,080
Speaker 4: Murray on their roster because Kyler Murray is like vitamin

2808
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:12,120
Speaker 4: C to an offense.

2809
02:17:12,720 --> 02:17:13,560
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

2810
02:17:13,640 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 4: He doesn't do everything right, and there are limitations to

2811
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:19,640
Speaker 4: his game. He's five foot nine, for crying out loud,

2812
02:17:19,720 --> 02:17:22,760
Speaker 4: so throwing over the middle short isn't going to work.

2813
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:24,520
Speaker 4: You know, he's going to have to get outside the

2814
02:17:24,560 --> 02:17:27,160
Speaker 4: pocket to complete some of the passes that you'll see

2815
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:30,160
Speaker 4: these six or five prototypical quarterbacks complete over the middle.

2816
02:17:30,560 --> 02:17:33,440
Speaker 4: But if you can get around that mental hurdle and

2817
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:36,119
Speaker 4: realize that he can hurt you with his arm, he's

2818
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:40,080
Speaker 4: a great improviser and he can hurt you with his legs, well.

2819
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:43,000
Speaker 3: I think he's a trade candidate, by the way.

2820
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:47,480
Speaker 2: So the Cardinals made the extra point, but there was

2821
02:17:47,480 --> 02:17:50,320
Speaker 2: a penalty on the Rams, so they moved the ball

2822
02:17:50,440 --> 02:17:54,800
Speaker 2: half the distance and Arizona decided, yeah, we'll take the penalty,

2823
02:17:54,879 --> 02:17:58,800
Speaker 2: we'll go for two, and they got it. Yeah, And

2824
02:17:58,879 --> 02:18:02,760
Speaker 2: so Arizona has taken an eight to seven lead over

2825
02:18:02,800 --> 02:18:05,360
Speaker 2: the Rams in that game. All right, I want to

2826
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:07,879
Speaker 2: talk about the Kansas City Chiefs for a second here.

2827
02:18:08,440 --> 02:18:11,040
Speaker 2: So the Chiefs today are on the road against the Raiders,

2828
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:16,240
Speaker 2: Chiefs coming off that disappointing loss where they got shut

2829
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:20,960
Speaker 2: out for the third consecutive game in the second half,

2830
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:24,320
Speaker 2: this time losing to the Eagles. Chiefs are seven to three,

2831
02:18:24,600 --> 02:18:26,440
Speaker 2: and Tony Appears has done a pretty good job of

2832
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:28,440
Speaker 2: the Raiders team. They were in that Miami game to

2833
02:18:28,480 --> 02:18:30,720
Speaker 2: the end. They ended up losing's two to one. As

2834
02:18:30,760 --> 02:18:34,120
Speaker 2: a head coach. But I look, I don't watch the

2835
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:41,039
Speaker 2: Kelsey Brothers podcast, but Denise does. She is addicted to

2836
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 2: that podcast. Interesting, So she watches it and she's like,

2837
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:47,800
Speaker 2: you got to watch this. So they were talking after

2838
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:54,360
Speaker 2: obviously Jason's Eagles beat Travis's Chiefs, and Jason didn't want

2839
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:56,200
Speaker 2: to bring up the negatives for the Chiefs.

2840
02:18:56,440 --> 02:18:59,200
Speaker 1: He didn't have to because Travis.

2841
02:18:58,640 --> 02:19:03,039
Speaker 3: Did interesting and he was you.

2842
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:05,280
Speaker 1: Could see like, I know, I have to be here

2843
02:19:05,320 --> 02:19:08,000
Speaker 1: because we're you know, paid to.

2844
02:19:07,959 --> 02:19:10,320
Speaker 3: Do this, making tons of money doing it, But.

2845
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't really want to be here right now, because

2846
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:16,520
Speaker 2: he admitted they got problems, and he didn't want to

2847
02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:21,680
Speaker 2: talk about you know, you know, Valdez Scantling dropping a

2848
02:19:21,720 --> 02:19:23,200
Speaker 2: touchdown pass that could have won the game.

2849
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:24,320
Speaker 1: You want to go there.

2850
02:19:24,879 --> 02:19:26,840
Speaker 2: He was talking about the fact that more and more

2851
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:31,880
Speaker 2: teams are figuring out how to minimize Kelsey's impacting games.

2852
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:33,240
Speaker 1: Look, if you're playing the.

2853
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:36,160
Speaker 2: Chiefs, they got Travis Kelcey and a bunch of wide

2854
02:19:36,200 --> 02:19:40,120
Speaker 2: receivers that can't catch the ball. And so in these

2855
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:44,640
Speaker 2: second half, three consecutive games, Chiefs zero points. That seems

2856
02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:48,440
Speaker 2: impossible when he had Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey on

2857
02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:51,400
Speaker 2: the field. But teams are trying. They finally figured this

2858
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:55,400
Speaker 2: whole thing out. Take Kelsey out, make these wide receivers

2859
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:59,040
Speaker 2: make a play, and they're not making plays. So it's

2860
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:01,320
Speaker 2: gonna be very interesting. I think Raiders should be competitive.

2861
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:03,959
Speaker 2: This game is just kicking off right now. I think

2862
02:20:03,959 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 2: the Raiders can be a competitive But for the Chiefs,

2863
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:11,080
Speaker 2: it was obvious in listening to Travis Kelcey there are

2864
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:14,280
Speaker 2: problems right now and they haven't been able to figure

2865
02:20:14,320 --> 02:20:15,560
Speaker 2: it out.

2866
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:18,640
Speaker 3: Wow, well will there's a lot there.

2867
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:23,039
Speaker 4: I will say this, if if you're smart, that's the

2868
02:20:23,080 --> 02:20:26,040
Speaker 4: way you should defend the Chiefs. And I think there's

2869
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:29,320
Speaker 4: a lot of defensive coordinators who get too cute, who

2870
02:20:29,400 --> 02:20:33,680
Speaker 4: think they're going to affect Patrick Mahomes with the blitz,

2871
02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:37,920
Speaker 4: And the truth is it's weird with Patrick Mahomes, he's

2872
02:20:37,959 --> 02:20:43,879
Speaker 4: actually better against against pressure than he is against coverage.

2873
02:20:43,959 --> 02:20:47,120
Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is it's atypical normally

2874
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:49,320
Speaker 4: when you pressure a quarterback and forces them to make

2875
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:52,720
Speaker 4: worse decisions, not better. But in Patrick mahomes case, and

2876
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:55,280
Speaker 4: this is over the course of his career. Now there's

2877
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:57,879
Speaker 4: enough numbers to reflect this, and even when Tyreek Hill

2878
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:01,039
Speaker 4: is still there, he struggles to be patient.

2879
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:02,160
Speaker 3: So when you.

2880
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:06,000
Speaker 4: Drop eight or you drop seven and you have double

2881
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:09,280
Speaker 4: coverage on Kelsey or his favorite target on whatever play

2882
02:21:09,360 --> 02:21:12,400
Speaker 4: or passing concept that they're running, and he has to

2883
02:21:12,879 --> 02:21:15,120
Speaker 4: wait and check down and check down and check down,

2884
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:17,360
Speaker 4: it forces him to get impatient and try to play

2885
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:20,960
Speaker 4: hero ball and make a big play because he gets impatient.

2886
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:24,400
Speaker 4: And so teams that have figured this out, they don't

2887
02:21:24,400 --> 02:21:27,879
Speaker 4: pressure him. They play a lot of coverage. They double

2888
02:21:27,959 --> 02:21:31,720
Speaker 4: Kelsey because he's the only true receiving threat on that roster,

2889
02:21:31,879 --> 02:21:34,400
Speaker 4: and they force Patrick Mahomes to take with The defense

2890
02:21:34,560 --> 02:21:37,120
Speaker 4: is giving him a lot of underneath stuff, a lot

2891
02:21:37,160 --> 02:21:41,120
Speaker 4: of crossing pattern stuff, flares and swings and flat routes

2892
02:21:41,160 --> 02:21:44,320
Speaker 4: out of the backfield. Some of those slants and mesh

2893
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:47,720
Speaker 4: routes over the middle and he just gets bored. It's

2894
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,119
Speaker 4: not the style of play. He wants to pump it downfield.

2895
02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:52,959
Speaker 4: This guy can throw the football sixty eight miles per hour.

2896
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:55,959
Speaker 4: He wants to heave one on you, and sometimes he

2897
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:56,520
Speaker 4: does and he.

2898
02:21:56,480 --> 02:21:58,920
Speaker 2: Coughs it up, by the way, Travis Kelcey also said

2899
02:21:58,959 --> 02:22:02,959
Speaker 2: he's been ad libbine too much. He actually, I mean

2900
02:22:02,959 --> 02:22:05,120
Speaker 2: he was It was all about self admission, and he

2901
02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:07,520
Speaker 2: was talking about the fact that I need to do

2902
02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:09,400
Speaker 2: what Andy Reid tells us to do.

2903
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. That sounds like somebody that had Andy

2904
02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:13,039
Speaker 1: Reid in.

2905
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:16,280
Speaker 2: His ear a couple of times, no doubt, But he

2906
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:20,080
Speaker 2: admitted that maybe I'm I'm just trying too much to

2907
02:22:20,200 --> 02:22:23,240
Speaker 2: add lib out there and make things happen. By the way,

2908
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 2: his record this year in terms of production is very

2909
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:29,560
Speaker 2: different with it without his significant other.

2910
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:31,480
Speaker 4: I just want to I will, I will say that

2911
02:22:32,320 --> 02:22:35,840
Speaker 4: there is something to be said about distraction.

2912
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:40,920
Speaker 3: And I listen. I know this is a global phenomenon.

2913
02:22:41,160 --> 02:22:45,840
Speaker 4: I know that everybody's paying attention and it is overwhelmingly positive.

2914
02:22:45,320 --> 02:22:46,240
Speaker 3: For Travis Kelcey.

2915
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:54,199
Speaker 4: But going to Argentina, you know, and and and traveling. Look,

2916
02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:57,080
Speaker 4: the bye week is about getting healthy. Yeah, the bye

2917
02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:59,560
Speaker 4: week is about resting your head a little bit. It's

2918
02:22:59,560 --> 02:23:02,280
Speaker 4: about get away from football for a seconds.

2919
02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:04,920
Speaker 2: About being a good boyfriend. If she's going to be

2920
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:07,160
Speaker 2: there for you, you need to be there for her.

2921
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:10,560
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, there's a lot of guys who get married

2922
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:11,560
Speaker 4: on the bye week.

2923
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:17,160
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys who go to family reunion. Yeah. Well, listen,

2924
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:20,080
Speaker 3: I'll tell you right now. Love is a two way street.

2925
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:25,279
Speaker 4: And you can be a global icon and an international superstar,

2926
02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:27,320
Speaker 4: but you got to understand how football works. If you're

2927
02:23:27,320 --> 02:23:28,640
Speaker 4: going to be in a relationship with me.

2928
02:23:28,879 --> 02:23:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean she's a global phenomenon and she

2929
02:23:31,400 --> 02:23:33,359
Speaker 2: made time to be at his games.

2930
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,280
Speaker 3: You're not lying, and but I will say I will

2931
02:23:36,320 --> 02:23:36,680
Speaker 3: say this.

2932
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:40,160
Speaker 4: Nobody's hitting you when you're on stage, well, unless you're

2933
02:23:40,240 --> 02:23:41,160
Speaker 4: Dave Chappelle recently.

2934
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:43,640
Speaker 2: All right, all right, yeah, let's find out what's trending

2935
02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:46,680
Speaker 2: right now. Another guy that has a global empire of

2936
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:50,879
Speaker 2: his own. Yeah, there is many, many different. Well, I

2937
02:23:50,879 --> 02:23:53,480
Speaker 2: mean it's it's a resume that knows no limit.

2938
02:23:54,320 --> 02:23:55,320
Speaker 1: We like to be versatile.

2939
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:59,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, somebody once told me that versatility is employability.

2940
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:02,800
Speaker 1: Yes, so hundreds of interviews you've done over the years.

2941
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:05,680
Speaker 7: Yes, have you interviewed Rich before? No, we need to

2942
02:24:05,720 --> 02:24:07,640
Speaker 7: get Rich on Rich. But that would be a lot

2943
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:09,760
Speaker 7: of fun. All right, I'll hit you up. It's fun, Rich.

2944
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:12,240
Speaker 7: It's a sports media podcast where we talk about the

2945
02:24:12,280 --> 02:24:13,320
Speaker 7: human sides of people.

2946
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:16,520
Speaker 2: I talked about getting naked and jumping into pools.

2947
02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:18,920
Speaker 7: Yes, he did, and I clipped that part off, and

2948
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:20,480
Speaker 7: I wanted to make sure that people saw that.

2949
02:24:20,560 --> 02:24:23,240
Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, it was fun anytime, Brian, I'm in

2950
02:24:23,320 --> 02:24:23,760
Speaker 3: all right.

2951
02:24:23,879 --> 02:24:26,279
Speaker 1: Will we will work on having that happen.

2952
02:24:26,520 --> 02:24:30,760
Speaker 7: And what we are watching is the second window, afternoon

2953
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:33,640
Speaker 7: slash evening games of the NFL. The early window, there

2954
02:24:33,640 --> 02:24:37,759
Speaker 7: were six games. Five of them were one possession differentials,

2955
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:42,240
Speaker 7: including what happened at the end of this Jaguars Houston

2956
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:45,879
Speaker 7: Texans game where the Texans, in the hopes of trying

2957
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:49,520
Speaker 7: to force overtime. How to look at a field goal.

2958
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:53,840
Speaker 2: From the left hash from fifty eight yards away, matt

2959
02:24:53,879 --> 02:24:56,440
Speaker 2: Amandola Johnson puts it down.

2960
02:24:56,480 --> 02:24:59,320
Speaker 3: There's the kid, the fifty eight yard field goal. Is

2961
02:25:00,120 --> 02:25:01,480
Speaker 3: it hits the crossboar?

2962
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:05,600
Speaker 1: It is no good. It hit the crossbar and came back.

2963
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:10,760
Speaker 3: The field goal is no good. Hit the Jack takeover.

2964
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:13,160
Speaker 1: It'll take a knee one time.

2965
02:25:14,360 --> 02:25:19,000
Speaker 7: I love the annunciations there no good. Yeah that was

2966
02:25:19,040 --> 02:25:22,119
Speaker 7: the Jaguars radio network, so yeah. The missed field goal

2967
02:25:22,200 --> 02:25:23,959
Speaker 7: fifty eight yards at the end of the fourth quarter

2968
02:25:24,680 --> 02:25:27,200
Speaker 7: by Houston allowed the Jacks to win it twenty four

2969
02:25:27,240 --> 02:25:30,800
Speaker 7: to twenty one. Giants by virtue of a missed field

2970
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:33,880
Speaker 7: goal from the Patriots late in the game, win ten

2971
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:36,160
Speaker 7: to seven against the Pats. They are now two to

2972
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:39,280
Speaker 7: nine on the season. The Colts victorious twenty seven to

2973
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:42,440
Speaker 7: twenty against the Buccaneers, Jonathan Taylor getting in the end

2974
02:25:42,520 --> 02:25:45,880
Speaker 7: zone twice with his feet. The Titans pick up a

2975
02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:48,560
Speaker 7: win against a lowly Panthers team that goes to one

2976
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:50,959
Speaker 7: in ten on the air, and after the Cats had

2977
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:54,800
Speaker 7: just ten points, Titans seventeen to ten winners. Derrick Henry

2978
02:25:54,920 --> 02:25:58,400
Speaker 7: in the end zone twice as well. The Steelers finding

2979
02:25:58,440 --> 02:26:02,080
Speaker 7: their offense slowly but surely sixteen to ten. They punctuate

2980
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:05,600
Speaker 7: things with the winning Cincinnati against the Bengals, Nijee Harris

2981
02:26:05,800 --> 02:26:09,119
Speaker 7: with a score, and the Falcons twenty four to fifteen

2982
02:26:09,160 --> 02:26:11,840
Speaker 7: winners against the Saints. This was a game where Bjeon

2983
02:26:11,959 --> 02:26:16,359
Speaker 7: Robinson had a touchdown caught at touchdown on the ground.

2984
02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:20,080
Speaker 7: Chris Olave, the star wide receiver for the Saints, came

2985
02:26:20,080 --> 02:26:22,879
Speaker 7: out of this game of the second half with a concussion,

2986
02:26:23,400 --> 02:26:26,840
Speaker 7: and James Bates the third also ran back a pick

2987
02:26:26,959 --> 02:26:29,760
Speaker 7: six and he had a fumble recovery of a forced fumble.

2988
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:32,200
Speaker 7: He was all over the field and then quickly games

2989
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:34,160
Speaker 7: are going on right now. The Broncos score first seven

2990
02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:38,280
Speaker 7: and nothing against the Browns. That is first quarter, three

2991
02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:39,959
Speaker 7: minutes to go. Late in the first quarter of the

2992
02:26:39,959 --> 02:26:42,760
Speaker 7: Cardinals got that two point conversion after the Caler Murray

2993
02:26:42,760 --> 02:26:45,160
Speaker 7: two yard touchdown run, so they're in front of the

2994
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:48,640
Speaker 7: Rams eight to seven. A couple minutes into the first quarter,

2995
02:26:48,680 --> 02:26:51,680
Speaker 7: the Raiders on the board first seven to nothing against

2996
02:26:51,720 --> 02:26:54,920
Speaker 7: the Chiefs. Eate and O'Connell throwing his score and Bill's

2997
02:26:54,920 --> 02:26:58,560
Speaker 7: and Eagles no score there just about three minutes in

2998
02:26:58,600 --> 02:27:01,520
Speaker 7: to the first quarter. Really excited to Rich and Steve

2999
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:03,720
Speaker 7: to see how that one plays out and if we're

3000
02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:07,400
Speaker 7: going to get a better version of Buffalo Yeah bfen.

3001
02:27:07,560 --> 02:27:10,720
Speaker 2: By the way, very interesting drive opening drive for the Eagles.

3002
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:17,360
Speaker 2: Three passes, three incomplete passes, Hunt Yeah, no runs pass

3003
02:27:17,879 --> 02:27:23,080
Speaker 2: pass pass incomplete, incomplete incomplete three and out, Bills get

3004
02:27:23,080 --> 02:27:25,880
Speaker 2: the ball back. No score in that game, Bfenn, thank

3005
02:27:25,879 --> 02:27:29,640
Speaker 2: you so much, great job. As always, Let's get into

3006
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:32,640
Speaker 2: this Bill's Eagles matchup right now.

3007
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:35,279
Speaker 1: As of today, the Bills are on the outside.

3008
02:27:34,840 --> 02:27:37,400
Speaker 2: Looking in as far as the playoffs and the AFC side,

3009
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:40,920
Speaker 2: which seems unimaginable considering the talent in this team and

3010
02:27:40,959 --> 02:27:42,080
Speaker 2: where the Bills have been over.

3011
02:27:41,959 --> 02:27:43,240
Speaker 1: The last several years.

3012
02:27:44,160 --> 02:27:46,879
Speaker 2: They lose today, they go to six and six rich, yep,

3013
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,480
Speaker 2: and then they really have an uphill climb and then

3014
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:52,160
Speaker 2: they you know, you get to the point where you say, well,

3015
02:27:52,200 --> 02:27:54,720
Speaker 2: you know, we're in the mix, but it's not only that.

3016
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:57,200
Speaker 2: You have to you know, start winning games. But then

3017
02:27:57,200 --> 02:27:58,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you need other teams to start

3018
02:27:59,000 --> 02:27:59,800
Speaker 2: losing games.

3019
02:28:00,120 --> 02:28:00,360
Speaker 3: Yep.

3020
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:02,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, dependent on them to lose and you win

3021
02:28:03,000 --> 02:28:05,520
Speaker 2: all at the same time. Not a good position to

3022
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:08,320
Speaker 2: be in if you're the Buffalo Bills. So we've talked

3023
02:28:08,360 --> 02:28:12,080
Speaker 2: about this. You know, Josh Allen throwing a lot of interceptions,

3024
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:14,920
Speaker 2: hasn't been the same quarterback since Brian Dable left as

3025
02:28:14,959 --> 02:28:19,000
Speaker 2: his guru and everything else. But that's not the only

3026
02:28:19,080 --> 02:28:23,000
Speaker 2: reason that the Bills find themselves struggling to get back

3027
02:28:23,000 --> 02:28:24,680
Speaker 2: into the playoff picture in the AFC.

3028
02:28:25,520 --> 02:28:28,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I look at the Bills as a

3029
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:32,000
Speaker 4: very curious team this season in the second half because

3030
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:35,320
Speaker 4: after the firing of Ken Dorsey, and the question is,

3031
02:28:35,959 --> 02:28:38,560
Speaker 4: you know, can Josh Allen revive this situation?

3032
02:28:38,920 --> 02:28:39,920
Speaker 3: Well, not on his own.

3033
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:42,879
Speaker 4: I think Josh Allen is one of those quarterbacks who

3034
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:45,360
Speaker 4: likes to have a voice in his head, who likes

3035
02:28:45,360 --> 02:28:47,200
Speaker 4: to have someone in his ear, likes to have a

3036
02:28:47,240 --> 02:28:52,360
Speaker 4: guiding principle, and somebody who really Shepherd's better quarterback play.

3037
02:28:52,400 --> 02:28:55,400
Speaker 4: I think he panicked without Brian Dable. I think he

3038
02:28:55,480 --> 02:28:57,640
Speaker 4: really did. I think last season we saw the panic.

3039
02:28:58,400 --> 02:29:01,600
Speaker 4: I think he never looked comfortable since Brian Dable has left,

3040
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:03,800
Speaker 4: and that includes this season as well with Ken Dorsey

3041
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:06,320
Speaker 4: prior to the firing. Now, the question is, to me,

3042
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:09,840
Speaker 4: it's more about Joe Brady than it is about Josh Allen.

3043
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:12,320
Speaker 4: We know Josh Allen can play at this level.

3044
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:14,279
Speaker 3: We just know. I mean, he's.

3045
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:18,680
Speaker 4: Intangibly a very talented football player at this level, certainly

3046
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:21,520
Speaker 4: a top fifteen quarterback, definitely one of those guys who

3047
02:29:21,560 --> 02:29:22,640
Speaker 4: can get to the postseason.

3048
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:25,600
Speaker 3: But can he be supported.

3049
02:29:25,320 --> 02:29:28,760
Speaker 4: By Joe Brady anywhere close to the way he was

3050
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:32,160
Speaker 4: by Brian Dable. And so Joe Brady, you look at

3051
02:29:32,200 --> 02:29:34,039
Speaker 4: his resume and you say, well, it worked with him

3052
02:29:34,040 --> 02:29:36,800
Speaker 4: and Joe Burrow when he was at LSU, didn't it.

3053
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:41,039
Speaker 4: I mean, Joe Burrow was the last truly talented quarterback

3054
02:29:41,480 --> 02:29:44,400
Speaker 4: he's had his hands on before making his way to

3055
02:29:44,640 --> 02:29:48,600
Speaker 4: the quarterback coaching room in Buffalo and being promoted now

3056
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:53,320
Speaker 4: to inter remoc. So this is the question. It's not

3057
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:56,280
Speaker 4: about to me. It's not as much about Josh Allen.

3058
02:29:56,320 --> 02:29:59,440
Speaker 4: It's about his coaching. Can Joe Brady handle this at

3059
02:29:59,440 --> 02:30:00,000
Speaker 4: this level?

3060
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:00,920
Speaker 1: All right?

3061
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:05,039
Speaker 2: So the Chiefs are trailing the Raiders by a score

3062
02:30:05,080 --> 02:30:08,000
Speaker 2: of seven and nothing. Adam O'Connell in his opening drive

3063
02:30:08,120 --> 02:30:11,200
Speaker 2: four for four fifty seven yards throws a touchdown past

3064
02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:17,279
Speaker 2: the Jacobi Meyers. Here's how the Chiefs drive started. Mahomes

3065
02:30:17,400 --> 02:30:20,720
Speaker 2: first pass was to Pacheco for an eleven yard loss.

3066
02:30:22,959 --> 02:30:24,600
Speaker 2: That was the first play of the game. Then the

3067
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:27,119
Speaker 2: second play he was trying to get Travis Kelsey open.

3068
02:30:27,200 --> 02:30:30,800
Speaker 2: He overthrew him. Third play short of the first down,

3069
02:30:30,879 --> 02:30:33,280
Speaker 2: so three and out for the Chiefs to open up.

3070
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:38,200
Speaker 2: So the Raiders jump on him early seven to nothing. Now, again,

3071
02:30:38,360 --> 02:30:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to overplay the Chiefs because they have

3072
02:30:42,200 --> 02:30:45,560
Speaker 2: a proven track record, but they've also keep in mind

3073
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:49,560
Speaker 2: this about Mahomes moving forward to the playoffs. He has

3074
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:54,280
Speaker 2: never had a road playoff game. Now, he's had neutral

3075
02:30:54,320 --> 02:30:57,240
Speaker 2: site games at Super Bowls, but remember they have hosted

3076
02:30:57,240 --> 02:31:01,320
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship Game five straight years. He has never

3077
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,720
Speaker 2: had a playoff game on the road.

3078
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's got a great road record.

3079
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:11,080
Speaker 2: He does, but in the postseason he has no record.

3080
02:31:11,400 --> 02:31:13,879
Speaker 2: So I again, I don't know if the I mean,

3081
02:31:13,879 --> 02:31:17,640
Speaker 2: if the Chiefs sort of lose today, forget the division.

3082
02:31:17,720 --> 02:31:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, right now, think about this. They

3083
02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:22,879
Speaker 2: lose today and the Broncos win, the Broncos are a

3084
02:31:22,879 --> 02:31:23,360
Speaker 2: game back.

3085
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:24,440
Speaker 1: They're kidding me.

3086
02:31:24,600 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 4: Look, I'm not worried about it. Look, here's the deal.

3087
02:31:27,959 --> 02:31:29,440
Speaker 4: Mahomes is a special talent.

3088
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:31,720
Speaker 2: He is a special talent, but he doesn't have a

3089
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:34,800
Speaker 2: lot of special talent around him save Travis Kelce.

3090
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:38,959
Speaker 3: He's thirty six and ten on the road throughout his career.

3091
02:31:39,040 --> 02:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's in the past. Let's get into the moment.

3092
02:31:41,840 --> 02:31:42,600
Speaker 3: No, no, I get it.

3093
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:45,680
Speaker 4: Look, this season is different, but also we're talking about

3094
02:31:45,720 --> 02:31:49,360
Speaker 4: a Chiefs team where I know it's different. I know

3095
02:31:49,480 --> 02:31:51,959
Speaker 4: it doesn't look the same as years past.

3096
02:31:52,120 --> 02:31:55,280
Speaker 2: He's the twelfth rated quarterback in the league. He's never

3097
02:31:55,320 --> 02:31:57,640
Speaker 2: been out of the top five in his career.

3098
02:31:58,120 --> 02:32:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true. I know if you know,

3099
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:01,560
Speaker 3: if that's true, I.

3100
02:32:01,720 --> 02:32:03,160
Speaker 1: Know, But I mean, I'm the leaking at this.

3101
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:05,640
Speaker 3: Why say it as if it's a fact? Looks Steve, but.

3102
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:10,080
Speaker 1: When has he been this bad late in the season.

3103
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:14,160
Speaker 4: The reality of the situation is Patrick Mahomes and Andy

3104
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:18,000
Speaker 4: Reid are going to go as far as this defense

3105
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:21,600
Speaker 4: right now carries them, and as far as they can

3106
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:25,160
Speaker 4: go offensively if they can shore things up. This is

3107
02:32:25,160 --> 02:32:27,520
Speaker 4: a tech this excuse me, a ten one football team.

3108
02:32:27,560 --> 02:32:31,040
Speaker 4: This is a a seven and three football team, right.

3109
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:34,720
Speaker 4: This is a team that per Vegas said that was

3110
02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:37,560
Speaker 4: going to finish this season twelve and five.

3111
02:32:38,440 --> 02:32:39,520
Speaker 3: I think that's like the.

3112
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:41,240
Speaker 1: Over runner was eleven and a half wins.

3113
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:45,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that's if you take the over you're

3114
02:32:45,320 --> 02:32:47,080
Speaker 4: saying it's a twelve one football.

3115
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:49,280
Speaker 2: Normally when they struggled a little bit early in the year.

3116
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:51,120
Speaker 2: I remember a couple of years ago, Mahomes was a

3117
02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:55,440
Speaker 2: little uneasy was, you know, throwing the ball a little sideways.

3118
02:32:55,840 --> 02:32:58,600
Speaker 2: But as they progress through the season, obviously playing their

3119
02:32:58,600 --> 02:33:00,480
Speaker 2: best football at the end of the year. I mean,

3120
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:02,879
Speaker 2: you know, you got into the conference championship game five

3121
02:33:02,920 --> 02:33:06,959
Speaker 2: straight years. But this is I go back to the

3122
02:33:07,080 --> 02:33:10,040
Speaker 2: and I'm watching Travis kelcey and and there was concern

3123
02:33:10,240 --> 02:33:13,160
Speaker 2: in his eyes, like we're looking for answers right now

3124
02:33:13,240 --> 02:33:14,480
Speaker 2: and we can't find them.

3125
02:33:14,520 --> 02:33:17,879
Speaker 4: He was just coming off of a humiliating loss after

3126
02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:21,440
Speaker 4: a bye week where he went on this big trip

3127
02:33:21,480 --> 02:33:24,000
Speaker 4: to Argentina, didn't play well coming back from it. And I'm

3128
02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:26,520
Speaker 4: sure he heard about that too from his head coach. Yes,

3129
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:30,640
Speaker 4: also Andy Reid, famous for his wins off.

3130
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:33,160
Speaker 3: By Yes, maybe a little overconfident they.

3131
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Will maybe this is a little different.

3132
02:33:34,959 --> 02:33:36,879
Speaker 4: And then oh, by the way, on his podcast he

3133
02:33:36,920 --> 02:33:39,840
Speaker 4: has to sit next to or across from the screen

3134
02:33:39,879 --> 02:33:42,520
Speaker 4: from Yes, his brother who plays for the TV just

3135
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:43,440
Speaker 4: lost to Yeah.

3136
02:33:43,440 --> 02:33:45,879
Speaker 1: But he wasn't piling on him, No, no, he was.

3137
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:47,320
Speaker 3: He was very sensitive. I get that.

3138
02:33:47,400 --> 02:33:51,120
Speaker 4: But my point is we're getting we're prisoners of the moment.

3139
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:53,280
Speaker 4: If we're going to say there's something really wrong with

3140
02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:56,640
Speaker 4: the Chiefs this year, they played the Raiders twice, including today,

3141
02:33:56,760 --> 02:33:59,640
Speaker 4: they play the Packers. They play the Bengals, who are

3142
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:03,119
Speaker 4: without Joe Burrow, the Patriots, and the Chargers to finish

3143
02:34:03,240 --> 02:34:06,160
Speaker 4: this season. Okay, oh, and the Bills. I apologize, I

3144
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:08,480
Speaker 4: forgot the bill. They play the Bills on December tenth.

3145
02:34:08,959 --> 02:34:13,119
Speaker 4: I mean, do you see do you see honestly more

3146
02:34:13,160 --> 02:34:14,800
Speaker 4: than two losses the rest of the way.

3147
02:34:14,920 --> 02:34:15,600
Speaker 1: No, no, but I.

3148
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:19,720
Speaker 2: Do see conceivable that the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes could

3149
02:34:19,720 --> 02:34:23,360
Speaker 2: be looking at a road playoff game that could be

3150
02:34:23,360 --> 02:34:24,959
Speaker 2: a hurdle to get to the Super Bowl. A. Right,

3151
02:34:24,959 --> 02:34:27,840
Speaker 2: we'll continue on the other side, keep it right here.

3152
02:34:28,120 --> 02:34:30,480
Speaker 2: Much more coming up. This is Fox Sports Red Zone

3153
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:31,720
Speaker 2: Radio three.

3154
02:34:31,720 --> 02:34:33,960
Speaker 10: On the play clock snaps Fuel Coddle, Chiefs bring four

3155
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:34,840
Speaker 10: over the middle.

3156
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Fifteen, Buters print to time on the five touchdown. Raiders

3157
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:43,920
Speaker 1: took Toby Myers with a slim run over.

3158
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:47,640
Speaker 4: The middle, and Ain Noconddle caps off a perfect opening

3159
02:34:47,720 --> 02:34:48,720
Speaker 4: drive with.

3160
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:52,640
Speaker 1: A nineteen yard touchdown passes to Toby Barrs. That's Raider Nation.

3161
02:34:52,840 --> 02:34:54,039
Speaker 1: Radio nine twenty am.

3162
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:56,760
Speaker 2: Raiders lead the Chiefs seven and out eight and they

3163
02:34:56,760 --> 02:34:59,120
Speaker 2: have the ball at midfield six minutes to go. In

3164
02:34:59,160 --> 02:35:01,520
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Speaker 2: dot com, this is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio. Steve

3170
02:35:16,760 --> 02:35:19,879
Speaker 2: Harbin Rich Ornberger were live from the tire rack dot

3171
02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Com studio. So had an interesting dynamic here today, Rich

3172
02:35:23,680 --> 02:35:28,119
Speaker 2: So again, we had Brian Finley in today for Monsey

3173
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:31,840
Speaker 2: and Bfen after a late night last night. Was a

3174
02:35:31,959 --> 02:35:35,879
Speaker 2: champion today. Great job for Bfenn. I have not seen

3175
02:35:36,040 --> 02:35:39,080
Speaker 2: Bo the entire show. The reason being is Chris came

3176
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:43,599
Speaker 2: in today playing hurt and BO did not want to expose.

3177
02:35:43,240 --> 02:35:43,920
Speaker 1: Himself to that.

3178
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:48,000
Speaker 2: So BO has been producing from a different area, different

3179
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:52,200
Speaker 2: zip code. But Chris powering through the show today on

3180
02:35:52,280 --> 02:35:56,360
Speaker 2: the heels of his lions disastrous Thanksgiving Day loss.

3181
02:35:56,400 --> 02:35:59,240
Speaker 1: I saw on it and powered through.

3182
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:03,120
Speaker 2: So Chris tremendous job today under the circumstances. Because I

3183
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:04,359
Speaker 2: know you're hurting man.

3184
02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you.

3185
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. The guys flexing all the right muscles. Yeah, he's good. Stuff.

3186
02:36:09,640 --> 02:36:11,600
Speaker 1: He's been nursing it throughout the show today.

3187
02:36:12,920 --> 02:36:15,320
Speaker 7: Not to speak, by the way I speak, I'm in

3188
02:36:15,400 --> 02:36:16,000
Speaker 7: big trouble.

3189
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:17,800
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you very much. So he's not going to

3190
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:20,160
Speaker 2: speak anymore here. Your voice is going to be rested

3191
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:23,680
Speaker 2: the rest of the day. This ain't O'Connell looking pretty

3192
02:36:23,720 --> 02:36:27,039
Speaker 2: good in this game right now. Obviously the Chiefs defense

3193
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:29,560
Speaker 2: has been outstanding this year. But the Raiders opening drive

3194
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:32,000
Speaker 2: one right down the field and scored. They now have

3195
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:35,560
Speaker 2: a second and five at the Chiefs forty three yard line.

3196
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:38,360
Speaker 2: So I'm watching O'Connell. He got blasted on one play,

3197
02:36:38,879 --> 02:36:41,480
Speaker 2: came back the next play and through an absolute dime

3198
02:36:41,920 --> 02:36:45,880
Speaker 2: to Jacoby Myers for a first down. So again, this

3199
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:48,520
Speaker 2: has been such an interesting few weeks for the Silver

3200
02:36:48,600 --> 02:36:51,920
Speaker 2: and Black, with the fire into Josh McDaniels firing of

3201
02:36:51,959 --> 02:36:55,560
Speaker 2: the general manager like a do over, and Mark Davis

3202
02:36:55,560 --> 02:37:00,320
Speaker 2: decided Antonio Piers, despite having no coaching experience, be the

3203
02:37:00,400 --> 02:37:02,600
Speaker 2: right guy now if he has the kind of finish

3204
02:37:02,640 --> 02:37:05,360
Speaker 2: that Basacha had a couple of years ago. I hope

3205
02:37:05,360 --> 02:37:08,360
Speaker 2: the Raiders don't make the same mistake they made by

3206
02:37:08,360 --> 02:37:11,600
Speaker 2: getting rid of Bassachia and going in a different direction.

3207
02:37:12,400 --> 02:37:16,279
Speaker 2: If it's working with Antonio Piers. Give this guy a chance.

3208
02:37:16,959 --> 02:37:17,800
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

3209
02:37:18,040 --> 02:37:23,720
Speaker 4: I think Antonio Piers was handed a chicken scratch and

3210
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:26,480
Speaker 4: he was told to make chicken salad, and so far

3211
02:37:26,600 --> 02:37:27,080
Speaker 4: pretty good.

3212
02:37:27,200 --> 02:37:27,400
Speaker 3: Right.

3213
02:37:27,560 --> 02:37:29,520
Speaker 2: He was also told, by the way, we're going to

3214
02:37:29,640 --> 02:37:31,520
Speaker 2: start the rookie at quarterback, right.

3215
02:37:31,440 --> 02:37:34,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no debating it. We are going to

3216
02:37:34,440 --> 02:37:36,680
Speaker 4: force your hand. We're going to put Aidan O'Connell in there.

3217
02:37:37,080 --> 02:37:39,480
Speaker 4: And so far he's two and one as a head

3218
02:37:39,520 --> 02:37:41,520
Speaker 4: coach and right now has a seven to.

3219
02:37:41,440 --> 02:37:44,720
Speaker 3: Zero lead over the Chiefs.

3220
02:37:44,520 --> 02:37:47,040
Speaker 4: Here as the first quarter is coming to an end,

3221
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:49,480
Speaker 4: and they're driving on this Chiefs defense, who have been

3222
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:52,240
Speaker 4: really the bright spot of this Kansas City team all season.

3223
02:37:52,360 --> 02:37:54,680
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, So we'll see how this plays out.

3224
02:37:54,760 --> 02:37:58,320
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Broncos already leading the Browns seven to nothing

3225
02:37:58,400 --> 02:38:02,040
Speaker 2: and they are down to the brown five yard line.

3226
02:38:02,120 --> 02:38:07,240
Speaker 2: Drian Thompson Robinson is the substitute quarterback for the Browns.

3227
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:09,680
Speaker 2: Near and dear to me with his UCLA background. He

3228
02:38:09,720 --> 02:38:13,480
Speaker 2: was at UCLA I think ten years anyway, he's five

3229
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:15,520
Speaker 2: to eight for twenty four yards and they have no

3230
02:38:15,640 --> 02:38:16,760
Speaker 2: offense right now.

3231
02:38:16,959 --> 02:38:20,560
Speaker 4: Pretty sure dtr was at UCLA when Nixon was in office,

3232
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:21,519
Speaker 4: which is incredible.

3233
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:23,840
Speaker 2: I think he was Gary Beban's backup when Bevan won

3234
02:38:23,879 --> 02:38:26,640
Speaker 2: the Heisman way back in the day. I'm not sure

3235
02:38:26,680 --> 02:38:29,480
Speaker 2: I'd have to look that one up, but yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: not what we call the permanent choice. Because again, this

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Speaker 2: is a Browns team that comes into this game today

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Speaker 2: at seven and three, I mean firmly in a playoff

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Speaker 2: position despite the injury to Deshaun Watson, so they're not

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Speaker 2: going to let their quarterback get in the way of

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Speaker 2: apostible run of the postseason. With Miles Garrett and company,

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Speaker 2: I had great defense doing their job. So yeah, dtr

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Speaker 2: is week to week and right now not looking good.

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Speaker 3: No, not looking good.

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Speaker 4: And here's the reality of this whole situation is Deshaun

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Speaker 4: Watson was supposed to be the Cleveland Browns starting quarterback

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Speaker 4: and the answer to all of their prayers desperation is

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Speaker 4: what forced.

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Speaker 3: Them to make this move.

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Speaker 4: And this is a team desperate for quarterback to take

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Speaker 4: them over the hump, which is a rather large hump

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Speaker 4: when you look at how bad this team looks offensively

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Speaker 4: compared to their defense. I mean, this is the same

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Speaker 4: problem going on in New York with the Jets, Robert

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Speaker 4: Sala traded for Aaron Rodgers. Was hopeful and due to injury,

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Speaker 4: has the same problem the Browns have.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Tyler Higbee just scored another touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Big day.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is a good thing for my daughter. This

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Speaker 2: means extra money for her babysitting.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here.

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