1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: Podcast Playground Taking a Walk with Buzz Night. Well, welcome 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: to part two of Taking a Walk with the One, 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: the Only, Matt Siegel. Charles LACKWIDERA. It's so great to 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: be with you. We're in Concord, Massachusetts, a great spot 5 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: for a walk, beautiful day. We had a nice lunch. 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: So do you remember and Buzz bought? I bought, which 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: I love buying. You bought for me so many times. 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: So do you remember the first time that you interviewed 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: for a radio job? And where was that? I never 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: interviewed for a radio job. Never, No, I don't think so. 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: I think when you got your first job, did you 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: didn't have to interview? No. From what I remember, you're talking, 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm Buzz, I'm fifty four years old, 14 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: give it take three seven four decades. Yeah, so I 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: don't remember going back that far. But I do remember 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: that I was, Uh, I was working for my buddy 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: owned a theater, a small community theater in Hollywood, and 18 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: he was he had a part time job as a 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: disc jockey at kppc UH in Pasadena, California, And this 20 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: was I was in We were in Hollywood with and 21 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: he said, hey, Charles, do you want to come into 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: the station with me? And I was doing some work 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: with I was writing a play at the time, and 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I said, no, Dave, I'm really He said, come on, 25 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: take a break, come on with me. So I went 26 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: into the station with him. He was playing jazz and 27 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: so I was watching him, and he had me sit 28 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: sit in at the console with him and do that stuff. 29 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: And he said, by the way, he said, they're they're 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: looking for somebody to do a classical music piece called 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: the Sunday Night Opera of the Air. Do you know 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: anything about opera? And I said yeah, I said, I 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: like classical music. I said, I don't know you know 34 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: that much about it, but he said, anyway, you should 35 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: just you know, just brush up on your opera and 36 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell them I've got somebody to do the thing. 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: So I just went in and one night and the 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: engineer showed me how to work the the pots. I 39 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: think they call them the sliders or whatever that those were. 40 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: And then I got a write up in the passing 41 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: the Star News by their music critic. He says something 42 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: like I still have a copy of it, something like, 43 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, in this world of classical music, when the 44 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: announcers are so proper, and so along comes an aspiring 45 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: actor named Charles Lacuedera, who talks like somebody you'd know 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: on the streets, somebody who finally we have an ordinary 47 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: human being, you know, one of us. Anyway, he gave 48 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: me a great write up, and so there was that, 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: and then the station I was working at changed from 50 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: classical to rock and roll. That was when the underground 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: stations took over all. The classical station YEP back up 52 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, in LA In Boston, Boston was WBCN 53 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: was a classical music station, and then all of a 54 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: sudden they couldn't make any money doing that, so they 55 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: switched to rock and roll. And that's so here I was. Now. 56 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: The station that I was working for was a classical station, 57 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: changed to a rock and roll station, and they kept 58 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: me on because I was you know, I was cheap labor. 59 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: I was two bucks an hour, so I would and 60 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know that much about rock and roll. I 61 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: didn't know that much about classical music. I was trying 62 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: to be an actor, so I just mixed it up together, 63 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, mixed up. I play uh rock, mineing off 64 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: and just you know, follow that with the Beatles or 65 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: something like that. And uh. Then anyway, when I came 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: from California, I came back here to my home in 67 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Milford to take a few weeks break, and I heard 68 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: this station called WBCN. I called him up and I said, hey, 69 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: you guys are great. What's going on? And he said, oh, well, 70 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm you know. He asked me who 71 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: I was and I said, Charles, Oh, you're the crazy 72 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: pastor that plays rock and roll and classical music. He said, 73 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: come on into the station. And in BCN was looking 74 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: for somebody because Peter Wolf was there I guess mid 75 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: morning DJ or night GJ, and he was leaving and 76 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: they needed somebody to replace him. So I lucked out 77 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: and I got a job. But anyway, that's not what 78 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: you asked me. I forget what you were. Well, I 79 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: asked you the first interview, which you said, but then 80 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: you said where it led to BCN? That when you 81 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: called up to get the job at BCN? Was that? 82 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: Who did you speak to? Was that? Ray? The first 83 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: guy that I talked to was Jim Perry. He was 84 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: the guy on the phone. And then when I went 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: into the station, Sam Copper hired me. Uh he was 86 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: Sam Copper was the program director, and he said, yeah, 87 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: Peter Wolf is leaving to form some band, that Jay 88 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: Giles band or whatever, and we could be looking for 89 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: a night guy. So I worked late night guy and 90 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: that was amazing. I worked at ten at night to 91 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: two in the morning shift and it was such a 92 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: it was so weird. Kate Rooney, Kate covering Rooney, Who's 93 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm staying with in Boston right now? She and her husband. 94 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: She at the time was a listener line. She was 95 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the head of the listener line five three six, eight thousand. 96 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: Anyone who remembers the early days of BCN knows that 97 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: number by heart. LEO eight thousand. Anyway, she came in 98 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: and said, there's two guys out, no, three guys downstairs 99 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: want to come up. They they want to come up 100 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: and play. And this is about midnight. I said yeah, 101 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: because my shift wasn't over for two hours. So they 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: came out and it was Jerry Garcia, it was Dwayne Almond, 103 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: and I think Mickey Harder was somebody from somebody else 104 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: in the deck. But Dwayne, did I say Drayne Almond? 105 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: He said, Dwayne, Yep, Yeah, Dwayne Almond yep and Jerry 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia and then another guy from either Mickey Hard. 107 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: I forget. Did they just come and hang out? They 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: just well one of them had the guitar and the 109 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: other one No, just one had a guitar, and they 110 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: went back and forth handled the guitar. But they didn't 111 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: they just came up to hang in smoke pot, right, 112 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: So you know, eventually we got around the plane and 113 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: and you didn't realize how freaking cool it was. We did. 114 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: So we were sort of all together. You know, we 115 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: were DJs. We like the music. There were musicians, they 116 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: liked the radio, and you know, we just sort of 117 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: we didn't think of it in terms like I didn't win. 118 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Drayne Ormond came out. I didn't go, oh my god, 119 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: it's Drayne Omend right said hey dude. Yeah, it was 120 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: just hanging out. How you doing. Yeah, it wasn't hey dude, 121 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: back then. It was hey man, hey man, hey man, 122 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: how you doing. But you also you had that nighttime 123 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: soothing DJ voice. I remember, I remember I had seen 124 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: The Exorcist, and where's this going on? And I said, 125 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: after I saw the movie The Exorcist, I lived alone 126 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: in Cambridge, and I thought, I am never ever going 127 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: to go going to go to bed alone. I am 128 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: never So I would go on the radio and just 129 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: ask people if I could come sleep at your house, 130 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: because so many times I ended up like the the 131 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: on the floor next to some bed and next to 132 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: a kid in litter box. It was like, well, but anyway, 133 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: one time this girl called him. We talked for Oh 134 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: my god. From my shifts started at ten. We talked 135 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: from like maybe eleven thirty until two o'clock. And at 136 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: first we were going back and forth, you know how 137 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: you're doing phones when you're sort of trying to, you know, 138 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: find the icebreaker line and stuff like that. And one 139 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: of the things she asked me, she says, what do 140 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: you look for in a woman? And I said, you 141 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: want to hear the truth? Or you want to hear 142 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: what I know you want to hear? Tell me what 143 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: I want to hear? What you think I want to hear? 144 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: And I said, what do I look for in a woman? 145 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:55,239 Speaker 1: I look for somebody who's intelligent, and somebody who's likes poetry, 146 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: somebody who can lots of sunsets with and somebody who 147 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, likes to share ideas and thoughts, and she goes, oh, 148 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: that's that's okay. So what do you really look for? 149 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: In a moment, I said, uh, just just well this 150 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: is see now, this is before me too, and this 151 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: is a long time ago. So I don't think I 152 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: want to I want to. You want to stop that, 153 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: I'm going to stop it right there. But anyway, so 154 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: so finally we agreed to meet. Okay, so I drive. 155 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: It's two o'clock in the morning. I drive down to 156 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: her place and by the time I get out of there, 157 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: it's almost like mornings come it's four o'clock or whatever. 158 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: And she lives in Watertown, and I drive up to 159 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: her house and I just sit there. And at the time, 160 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: I was smoking cigarettes, and so I'm sitting there waiting 161 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: for her to come out. And I'm sitting there with 162 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: a cigarette and I'm blowing smoke rings. I'm being so cool. 163 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: You have to picture it, you know. I'm just like 164 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: sitting back there, blowing smoke rings with my cigarette, sitting 165 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: behind the wheel of the car, waiting for this beautiful 166 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: woman to come out because she said she was a 167 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: ten and uh, and all of a sudden, this woman 168 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: comes out and I'm not looking because I just want 169 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: to be surprised. How wonderful. And the car door opens 170 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: and then the car door shots and when I start 171 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: shaking in the seat, the seat's going up and down. So, 172 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: needless to say, she was she was healthy, you know, 173 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: very healthy, healthy, healthy, good way to put it. Yeah, Yeah, 174 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: she was a ton of beauty. And it was like 175 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: and when I looked over after I held my cigarette, 176 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: I threw my cigarette out the window. I looked over 177 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: to her and she had painted her face green. And 178 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: she says, my dad's pissed off at me because I 179 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: just well I just left the house, she says, So 180 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: get me out of here. This will teach you to 181 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: go for looks something like that. Yeah, anyway, whatever it was, 182 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: did you stay off the request lines after that? Yeah, 183 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 1: I decided it wasn't worth it. You know. The Exorcist 184 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: still haunts me today to this day. Yeah. Anyway, It's 185 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: funny because I used to have movie nights in Hawaii. 186 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: Once a week we do a different movie that you 187 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: know that we would all pick out. And so one 188 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: week I and usually it had I had twenty people 189 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: coming into the house and in my condo in Hawaii, 190 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and it was like one night I sent out the 191 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: invites and I said, Hey, we're gonna go back a 192 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: little bit and we're gonna have some fun because it's Halloween. 193 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna do We're gonna do show the Exorcists. And 194 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: every one of the twenty people, not one person said 195 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: they would come. They all said, nah, I can't make that. No, 196 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: that was the scariest movie in my life. No one 197 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: would come. Wow. And that's years later and still this 198 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: I think it's considered the scariest movie of all time. Yeah. 199 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have come, I don't think. Could you ever 200 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: see it? I did, and I never saw it again 201 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, I had nightmares. Were you Catholic? Where 202 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: you brought up Catholic? I was? And so I was practicing, 203 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: if you will, at that point, my Catholic thing, which 204 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: I didn't quite realize what I was doing, but I 205 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: think I writed that ship. Yeah, are you practicing any 206 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: religions these days? No? No, no, But but I I 207 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: you can't win with When our kids were born, we 208 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: had to decide whether we wanted to bring him up Catholic. 209 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: And I thought, hey, Jews, they don't have a help 210 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: and then we decided we'll just bring him up to 211 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: be good people. Yeah, there you go. So you you 212 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: interviewed George Harrison at one point, didn't you. That was 213 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: my first interview ever. I was so nervous in that 214 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: that was a formal interview, right like you formally like, yeah, 215 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: we had tape recorder, Brennan. He actually, it's too bad. 216 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: We have a little. That interview is some we're out 217 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: there on the internet at least part of it. And 218 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: you could tell I was so. I was so sort 219 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: It was my first interview ever. And that radio station 220 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: that I had just started at, what was he promoting? 221 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: That was a white album? Oh my god. And the 222 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: way it happened, the reason, the only reason they let 223 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: me do it was because we had gone to a 224 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: Columbia or Apple something whatever record company. It was promotion party. 225 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: And while we're there, I'm standing next to George Harrison 226 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: at the He had a lot of Dan drift by 227 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: the way, on the back of this blue blazer. So anyway, 228 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: I'm standing next to him at the table, you know, 229 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: the what do you call those? We're just all like 230 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: the buffet buffet table. And I said to Georgie, I said, 231 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm with this really an underground radio station, I said, 232 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: you know when and all these other radio stations are 233 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: there for you know, the k kh J and all 234 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: these radio stations are there. I said, would you would 235 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: you give us an interview? And he said sure, and 236 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: so we set it up and so we went downstairs 237 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: and he talked about he talked about each song on 238 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: the White album, and we lost the tape. Eventually we 239 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: didn't have that tape is gone, but we did have 240 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: a little bit tape of what he asked me what 241 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: underground radio was, and then he compared to the pirate 242 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: radio the pirate ships that they have out there. Yep. Yeah, 243 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: So we had a great conversation, but I was too nervous. 244 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: Could you detect that from that conversation that you know, 245 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: the the Beatles as a group were winding down? No? No, 246 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: not at all. No, was that happening, by the way, 247 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: I think it was starting to maybe maybe did you 248 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: watch the documentary the one with I didn't like I 249 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: saw part of it. I didn't like it. What didn't 250 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: you like about it? I don't know. I just didn't 251 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: like it. Just couldn't get interested in it. Yeah, because 252 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people said one that couldn't get into, 253 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: and then I think that's where I stopped on and 254 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: then they got into when they went up on the 255 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: roof and played and all of that. But I mean, 256 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: I think the Beatles, as far as I'm concerned, their 257 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: production was the best ever in the world there was. 258 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Sergeant Pepper was such a game changer. But 259 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: then you know, after a while, it's like that was 260 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: a long time ago? Was that in sixty seven sixty 261 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: five at least? Yeah, if there was somebody that you 262 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: could conjure up that you always wanted to interview, who 263 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: would it be, even where they're dead or not, yeah, 264 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: or someone living now. I mean, this is a stupid answer, 265 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: but it's the truth. Sarah Vaughan, when I was growing up, 266 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: before rock and roll even came out, this was probably 267 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: in the early fifties, she had a song called Time 268 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: that you've never heard of, even though you've been in 269 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: the music business for fifty years. She and I know 270 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: all the words to it. When something like time all 271 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: through the day ours and anyway you could find it, 272 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure YouTube, And it was a seventy eight and 273 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: I love that song so much, and I remember That 274 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: was one of the first jazz records that I had 275 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: ever heard. And I always was hoping someday because if 276 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: Sarah Vaughn were sitting at a table at a restaurant 277 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: and you and I were there, I'd walk over to 278 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: her and I and I would I would stand up 279 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: and she'd look up at me and I'd say time. 280 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: She say, you know that song? Do you know that song? 281 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: I love that song? She would like, she would go crazy. Right, 282 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: it didn't become a hit, right, But anyway, why did 283 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: someone by the name of Big Mom of Thornton not 284 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: like you're whistling? She was superstitious about that. She was like, 285 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: she was great. I mean, she she come in, she 286 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: was she was like, she was like, oh, this should 287 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: have been on to get off my lawn segmente because 288 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: she she right. She would say that boy, Elvis, he 289 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: stole my song. He's so hondog that was my song. 290 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: And she complained about so many different things. But it 291 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: was funny and she we really got along. She loved me. 292 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: She'd like to just you know, yell at me. Don't 293 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: you whistle, boy, don't you go making bad luck that 294 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: coming down that hallway. I can't you know, her voice 295 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: was a lot stronger than that. But that place BCN 296 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: during in particular that era, but all the eras really 297 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: was filled with the colorful characters that worked there. But 298 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: people who would come in that were celebrities as well. 299 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: It was like this, yeah, we didn't take that as 300 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: being celebrities. It was like a haven of stories, right yeah, 301 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: sort of divide up into different eras too. Like you said, 302 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: there was one era where uh it was. It started 303 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: out with the people who started bc and Joe Rogers, 304 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: Tommy Hadges, uh, Steven Siegel, Jim Parry, all those people 305 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: were the BCN that most people now who think of 306 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: BCN don't know, right, because BCM became very popular in late, 307 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, later years when Norm Wyaner, Oedipist, Tony Barredci 308 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: those guys took over. You could either have great radio 309 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: or good ratings, but you can't have both. And you 310 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: probably know that as a station manager, a program director 311 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: and a consultant that if you're gonna if you're gonna 312 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: have great radio, that means you're gonna be able to 313 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 1: play John Lee Hooker and can't heat a twenty minute version, 314 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to play classical music and mix 315 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: it with Take five and mix that with Billie Holiday. 316 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna have great radio, but you're not going to 317 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: have great ratings. And people people going to work, as 318 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, they want to hear a familiar song. They 319 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: don't want to hear a twelve minute John Lee Hooker 320 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: song that goes on and on and on. They want 321 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: to hear the Eagles, They want to hear songs they know. 322 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: So what was your secret, sauce? What made you so special? 323 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: Because it's Boston. Everybody in Boston most I guess everybody everywhere. 324 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: Once they liked the idea that the guy on the 325 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: radio is a total fuck up. They say, hey, if 326 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: he get me on that, I could do that. I 327 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: think that. I think a lot of people. You think 328 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: it was the every man approaching whatever you want to 329 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: call it. The point is I didn't have I wasn't 330 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: as a classy I mean, I wasn't a Robert J. Alerts. 331 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: Any classical music listener would know who that is. You know, 332 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't and I wasn't. Mak Parento was great because 333 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: he went from top forty radio. We could call it 334 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: or at least you know, uh, going going over to 335 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: FM underground radio. He had a great voice. I didn't 336 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: have that, and he did great interviews. I don't do that. 337 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: I don't do great interviews, and I just go up 338 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: there and I just sort of screw up. I mean, 339 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: but people love to hear that. I made a whole 340 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: alter ego about that. And he was even more popular 341 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: than I was. Called Dwayne Glasscos that's right. Where's he now? 342 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: Dane and Iron not on speaking terms for Dwayne. So 343 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: you had that stunt involving arbitron. That was Dwayne. Mean, 344 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: Dwayne did and that was as a result of I think, 345 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: correct me, No, I'll correct you, all right. I haven't 346 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: even said anything. I know what you're gonna say. You're 347 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: going to say it was a result of the ratings, 348 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: and it wasn't. The ladies were great, okay, But Dwayne 349 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: glasscar went on the air and he said, we didn't 350 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: have anything to do that day. So that was that's 351 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: where Dwayne decided to go. And he said, uh, you know, 352 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: there's all these rich guys, these fat rich guys are 353 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: smoking cigars and in Cadillacs driving off all around down 354 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: in Beltsville, Maryland, and and it's that they have this 355 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: this company called ah Patron A I B. And they 356 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: just go around and they tell radio. These guys decide, 357 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: they make decisions about what what what radio what people? 358 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: How many people are listening? And they have this stupid 359 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: technical way of deciding. And and they said, you know, 360 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: they said that that that that our radio station, that 361 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: our destructis only got a four, and that I only 362 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: got thirteen. And I said, and and I looking out 363 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: the window, because we're at the top of the potential, 364 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: looking out the window, there's thirteen people out there right now, 365 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: and the phones are all lit up. So these guys 366 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: a lion. And here's what I want you to do. Everybody. 367 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: You get a bag of crap of feces and put 368 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: it in a plastic bag because so that the mailman 369 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: won't get it on his fingers, and you mail it 370 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: to Arbatron Research butaum box one four seven and Beltsville, 371 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: Maryland eight seven two one three. And he just kept 372 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: going every break, every single time, using music, you know, 373 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: play like Stevie Nicks or sit on my Face Stevie Nicks, 374 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: whatever he played, and then at the end of the 375 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: song and say, don't forget you got to send a 376 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: bag of and we bleep it out and say, a 377 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: bag of shit, you know, to Beltsville, Maryland at this address, 378 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: this address. It kept doing it. So now comes that 379 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: was on a Saturday. So now comes Monday morning. And 380 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: this manager at the station of the Tumble was Klee Dobra. 381 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: And so Clee goes in my studio when I'm doing 382 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: a show in the morning show, and he says, Charles, 383 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: can I see you after your show? And I said, yeah, 384 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: So I go to his office after my show. Never 385 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: a good sign. You don't go to the bustus the 386 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: manager's office. So anyway, I expect, I don't know what 387 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: it's going to be about. It didn't realize anyway, he said. 388 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: And he's got this big cup of dunkin Donuts coffee 389 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: and he's stirring it with his finger and it's like 390 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: he's steaming hot. And the veins on his neck he 391 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: was a really white guy. The veins on his neck 392 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: were protruding. And he says, you know, Charles Lockwarder is 393 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: a professional, competent, great radio announcer. And Charles is well respected. 394 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: He's does a wonderful show. But Duayne Glassclockett is a 395 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: fucking Dayane Gascock is not gonna work on this fucking station, 396 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: not on my station anymore. Do you understand Duyne is fired? 397 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: And I said, CLEI, Dwayne had the breetings of a 398 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: thirteen that's unheard of in Boston, like a four is great. 399 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: He had a thirteen every Saturday. And he looks at 400 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: me and he goes, are you playing with a full 401 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: deck of cards? You're acting like Joanne is somebody else? 402 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: And I said, you just fucking fired Dwayne, and you 403 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: kept me well, I know. One of the happiest moments 404 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: is when somehow you maybe I helped with this, maybe 405 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: somebody else helped with this, You were able to validate 406 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: from someone inside Arbitron. Then that a lot of people 407 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: sent those bags of Oh MANU put it this way, 408 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: put it this way. Duyne had a thirteen, unheard of ratings. 409 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: Knowing that, I don't think you can ask Carter on them. 410 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone's ever got a thirteen in 411 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: ratings in radio in Boston. But maybe Howie Carr your soundlike, 412 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: But no, so if a guy with a thirteen is 413 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: telling people every break to send a bag of shit 414 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: to Arbitron, they're getting a lot of bags of shit. 415 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: You were very happy when you heard that it actually 416 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: that there was a lot there. No, I was, I 417 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: mean I knew what was going to happen. I mean 418 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: Twain neew Twain knew. Yeah. But here's the thing about Arbertron. 419 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: The next rating period, the vcn's ratings was still good. 420 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they all said. I mean, 421 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure they you know, they just after the first 422 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: bag of shit, they probably said, Okay, something's going on. 423 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: There's some terrorists out there, So they probably didn't even 424 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: know what it was about. Once you get one bag 425 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: of that stuff and then one stuff, well if you 426 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: see another one coming, you know there's something going on here, 427 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: and so you just you just tell the post. I was, hey, 428 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: no more of that. So I don't know if they 429 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: knew and they just didn't care or whatever. But there 430 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: was no lawyers, there was no litigation. Nothing. Well, lawyers 431 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: did get a hold of the radio business at one 432 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: point in time, and I think at times it's fair 433 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: to say they really took a lot of the fun 434 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: out of it, didn't they. Yeah, I mean they're doing 435 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: their job, but they really did take the fun out 436 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: of the front out of the business. We're walking here 437 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: in the center of concert. I just want to point 438 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: out we're going by the Conquered Bookshop and this is 439 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: one of the great local bookstores that we don't have 440 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: enough of these days. So I just know you being 441 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: a voracious reader of books. Oh yeah, I love books. 442 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: I read a book today. What are you reading right now? 443 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm reading Catcher and a Raye. Oh wait, that was 444 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: the last book I read. That was like forty years ago, 445 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: that far back. Yeah. Well, but I do read a 446 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: lot of magazines, and I read a lot of emails. 447 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: So let's get the days there. Do you want to Yeah? Yeah, 448 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: when you seem like you were hesitant, well it was fun. Yeah, 449 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: we're doing a lot of walk in here. It was fun. 450 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean if we could sit down, yeah, we'll sit down. Yeah. 451 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: So then do you have to change the name of 452 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: the show? Uh no, we could salter or taking a set? Everybody? 453 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: What's the show called walk with a buzz? Taking a walk? Yeah, 454 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: taking a walk? This is called taking a sit taking 455 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: a set. Actually there, I was eyeing that chair back there. 456 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what about that one the bench in the 457 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: street Marketing Cafe we'll find some way to take that 458 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: over as long as we can cross the street. So 459 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: coming to z l X was a bit of a 460 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: culture shock. Yes for them and you too. No for them. Yes, 461 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: I would be considered part of them. Yeah, but you 462 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: sort of knew what was coming. I did. Other people didn't, right, 463 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: but it was you know, you had you had gone 464 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: from a place we can go up there perfect. You 465 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: had gone from a place where there were very few rules, 466 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: and then you came to a place that had a 467 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of rules. So that was that was a big 468 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: That was a big change, right, yeah'd bcing. You know 469 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: the girls that worked in the office, Hey, they go, hey, Charles, 470 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: how you doing. Are you having a good day? You're 471 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: just glad to see me. You know, they make all 472 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: kinds of sexual things. And you know the guys did too. 473 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: We did too. When I went over to ZLX, it 474 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: was like the person that was doing the news or 475 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: public affairs whatever, it was a very pretty woman. I said, 476 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: could we I said, I went over. I went over 477 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: to I said, hey, can we go hang in the 478 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: manager's office for half hour or so? And she said, no, 479 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't think songs whatever? And I thought it was 480 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: funny at It wasn't like that. It was more lighthouted. 481 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: It was more funny. But right now it sounds like 482 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm one of those predators, and it wasn't. 483 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: It was just kind of just going back and forth 484 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: with a little kind of like innuendo and whatever. So 485 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: the next thing I know, about three days later, you're 486 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: calling me into the office, into the manager's office, and 487 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: we will mention him by name. We'll say he who 488 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: we shall not name, right, okay, And there's this guy 489 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: there that I never saw in my life. And they 490 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: asked me to sit down, and this guy says to me, 491 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: he gets introduced to me as a lawyer from New York, 492 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: a high powered lawyer, and he says to me, I'm 493 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: just paraphrasing us something like you're harassed or you know, 494 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: something like that, one of our female employees, and just 495 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: know that it doesn't matter how high your ratings are, 496 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much money you're making. If you 497 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: do that again, you'll be terminated. And I'm sitting there 498 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: and okay, there was my culture shot with me finding out, 499 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: oh the same w BCN, it's not the same. Yeah, 500 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: So so that was kind of but in a way 501 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: that turned out to be a good thing, because she 502 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: eventually came to visit me in Hawaii. But the point 503 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: is that I learned, you know, something like it was 504 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: a learning process, and I think a lot of guys 505 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: right now who don't get it are are feeling the 506 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: pain of what it means not to get it in 507 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: a culture that now is much more respectful. You know. 508 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: I remember we had a sign for the kids that 509 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: said no is a complete sentence. It was for the 510 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: kids when they were teenagers. Now it's a sign that 511 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: every guy should understand the word no. It's not like 512 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: she really does want to, she's just being polite. It's 513 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: like no means no no. So anyway, you learned that 514 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: over the years, you you know. But right now I'm 515 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: too old to be any kind of a threat anyway. 516 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: But one of the things that I'm most proud that 517 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: I was part of, and I think you, I hope 518 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: are proud of, is you left number one in the 519 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: entire market. You when you finally quit, when you had 520 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: finally quit, when you at that point, and I think 521 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: I made a promise to you, I said, Charles, we 522 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: will you will be number one when you leave and 523 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: uh lo and behold you were and that was well 524 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: number number one, but not in all demos, not all 525 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: I think you were at that point, No, no, not 526 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: know how adult. Yeah, you beat Howard when you left, 527 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: and that was in Howard's you know, ultimate morning you 528 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: know rain if you will. So he had not you know, 529 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: he had been as you remember, he was Knights at 530 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: BCN and here was the Knights at p Yeah, that 531 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: was mornings. And he used to always say when is 532 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: lackw Err gonna die? But he was. He's a nice guy. Actually, 533 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: he's That whole radio thing he does is just Bologney. 534 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: He's just really a super guy. I mean, I don't 535 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: know him, but I've talked to him a few times, 536 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: and well he speaks highly of you because he went 537 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: to school up here. Right. Oh well, see, here's this 538 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: other thing that's really funny. Apparently there's I'm in the 539 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: Boston or New England Hall of Fame, one of those 540 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: halls of fame, and I'm in that, and every couple 541 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: of years somebody decides to bring me up as a 542 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: nominee for the radio you did. Yeah Tom college. Anyway, 543 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: this happens like every few years and so every few 544 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: years that happens and I think, boy, that would be 545 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: really cool, you know, And but each time, because of 546 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: whatever the process is, I haven't I haven't gotten in. 547 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: I haven't got enough folks to get in. So I 548 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: made clear not to you, but to the and I'm 549 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: making it clear to you now that the last two 550 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: guys that I talked to that had set me set 551 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: it up and said they were going to nominate me, 552 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: I fear. Was there a guy named Gleasteners anyway, kitchen? Yeah. 553 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: So I said to those guys, I said, look at 554 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: you can do. You can nominate me this time, but 555 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: here's one thing you've got to promise me, because I will, 556 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: really I'll come back and haunt you if it takes 557 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: till after I die for you guys to or for 558 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: them to put me in the Hall of Fame. I said, 559 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: I want you to know that I refuse to accept 560 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: the award. I'm not trying to sound like Marlon Brando, 561 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: but I want that thing when I'm alive so I 562 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: can enjoy it. Don't do that bullshit like you did 563 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: with lynn Zakia and make a bridge after me after 564 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm dead. Do it while I hi so member by this. 565 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: If I, if I had happen to die before you, Okay, 566 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: then you better not nominate me for that thing, because 567 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: I will turn it down post mortem or whatever the expression. 568 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: All Right, I gotta go, I promise, I promise. Let's 569 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: take a walk back to the car. I gotta thank 570 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: you for taking a walk. But I got to thank 571 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: you for a couple of particular things, and I just 572 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: want to acknowledge it. First of all, I go to 573 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: the Consumer Electronics show out in Vegas. I try to 574 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: go every year to take in the show and the 575 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: new innovations and gadgets. And there's a few people who 576 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: have motivated me to go. You're one of them because 577 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: you were so early on being intrigued by new devices. 578 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: You couldn't work them well, right, but you were intrigued. 579 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: So your curiosity inspired me. And you're passion for creating 580 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 1: things as well. You don't really think about it that way, 581 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: but I look at you as you had left radio, 582 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: and you just kept, you know, being out there. Some 583 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: of it was lifestyle, some of it was probably politics, 584 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: but you were out creating things and I so admire that, 585 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: and I thank you for inspiring me with that. As well. 586 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: And then the last thing I'll never forget this sitting 587 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: in the office at ZLX and I remember I think 588 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: you came in and wanted to talk to me about something, 589 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: and I probably, I don't know, rolled my eyes or whatever, 590 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: and you shut the door and you said, I just 591 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: want you to know you should take this as a 592 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: compliment that we want to come in and talk to you, 593 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: because in so many cases that would never be something 594 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: we'd want to maybe do with the person in your position. 595 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: So you sort of because you were easy to talk 596 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: to always as a boss, you always love more of 597 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: a boss friend. You level set me on that thing 598 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: as well. So I'm eternally grateful. I'm grateful for taking 599 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: a walk, and I'm grateful for our friendship. And you'll 600 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: always be my boss. By this and my friend. Thank 601 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: you so much. We're shaking hands now, by right, take care, 602 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. Taking a Walk with buzz Night is 603 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.