1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Laura Carlson. A little programming note 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: for you at the top of our show. Today is 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: the last day that we'll be bringing you the regular 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen dispatches that we've been making for the past year. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: But Prognosis isn't going anywhere. We'll be off for the 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: rest of the week and then back next week with 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: a new season. In six in depth episodes, we'll go 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: deep on one of the most important stories of our time, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: the life saving COVID nineteen vaccines and what it means 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: that some people will refuse to take them. The season 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: is called Doubt and it will be in your Prognosis 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: feed on March and now here's what happened in virus 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: news today. Europe's biggest countries, including Germany and France, suspended 14 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: use of Astra Zenica's COVID nineteen vaccine as fears about 15 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: its health effects grow. This creates yet another delay for 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: the European Union's inoculation campaign. A growing list of governments 17 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: have stopped distributing the shots following reports of serious blood clotting, 18 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: even as the European Unions Drug regulator said the benefits 19 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: of the vaccine continue to outweigh any risks. Coronavirus cases 20 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: in the US rose one point to five percent last week, 21 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: the slowest increase since the pandemic began. It was the 22 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: second straight week in which the rate of new infections 23 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: hit a record low. The slowdown comes as the US 24 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: vaccination effort ramps up. Last week, an age of two 25 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: point three nine million doses a day were administered, according 26 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg's Vaccine Tracker. So far, nearly seventy million Americans 27 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: have received at least one dose of a vaccine, or 28 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: roughly a quarter of the adult population. Finally, California's seven 29 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: day positive test rate fell to a record low two percent, 30 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: according to the state's Health department. California has administered more 31 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: than eleven point eight million vaccines in total. The data 32 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: came a day before Los Angeles County, which was the 33 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: epicenter of the post holiday surge, plans to ease its 34 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: restrictions on indoor dining and allow restaurants, gyms, museums, and 35 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: movie theaters to reopen. And now for our main story, 36 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: This month marks the one year anniversary in the US 37 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: of nationwide school closures. The Public Health Measure was designed 38 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: to help stem the spread of COVID nineteen, but in 39 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: doing so, it's had a profound effect on children. That's 40 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: in contrast to the disease itself, which rarely makes young 41 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: people seriously ill. Senior editor Jason Gale spoke to experts 42 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: about kids and COVID and why keeping children out of 43 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: the classroom may leave a lasting legacy. Scientists agree that 44 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: children are capable of transmitting siskov two to other kids 45 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: and to adults, but younger children in particular don't seem 46 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: to be major transmitters of the coronavirus. But I think 47 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: what is clear is that children certainly can transmit the disease, 48 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: but they are not the major drivers of transmission the community. 49 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: And I think that's the key taker message that I 50 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: think very few people would disagree with. Now. This is 51 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: Nigel Curtis. I'm a patric infectious disease physician and researcher 52 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: and I work at the University of Melbourne and the 53 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: Merdle Children's Research Institute at the Royal Children's Hospital. In 54 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: terms of cases, there's very low cases in the first 55 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: two decades and then it seems to increase in young adults. 56 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: But when it comes to severe disease as measured by 57 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: symptomatic disease and hospitalization and death, that that's exceptionally rare. 58 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: In fact, deaths are almost almost don't occur under the 59 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: age of twenty. But it would be wrong to think 60 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: that children are immune to COVID nineteen harms. Around the world, 61 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: kids have experienced a rafter them physical abuse, learning gaps, anxiety, 62 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: and depression. Many of these stem from school closures, social isolation, 63 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: and the stress inducing consequences of the pandemic. And that's 64 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: informing considerations for keeping kids in school. If you look 65 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: at a sort of bigger picture, take a step back 66 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: and look at the damage that has done to children 67 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: by not going to school and all the other consequences, 68 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, the balance is really in favor of being 69 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: very careful about school closures. The disruption has been unprecedented. 70 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: More than one point six billion learners were affected in 71 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: one ninety countries alone, according to UNESCO. Although alternatives to 72 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: in person learning have been introduced in many places, some 73 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy million pupils can't get access to 74 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: online or other required content for remote education. In the 75 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: United States, one in four kids lacks that needed tools 76 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: for remote learning. Aid groups say the children said this month, 77 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: we're talking not just short term, very long term effects 78 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: on them of the physical, mental, and emotional health of 79 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: children the future. If you think of the ramifications in 80 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: low income countries, that are even greater in terms of 81 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: lost opportunities for venizations UM and obviously those countries children 82 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: have a shorter periods of a shorter period of total education. 83 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: So if you lose six months or a year of education, 84 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: that is a larger proportion of your total education. So 85 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: the ramifications are much greater in low middle income countries. Well, 86 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: I think you have to start with the fact that 87 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: this has been an evolving conversing. And Anderson is deputy 88 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: director of the JOHNS. Hopkins Center for Safe and Healthy 89 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: Schools in Baltimore. I asked whether the pandemic will further 90 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: disadvantage some kids in the United States. The equity question 91 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: continues to be a major question for those in education 92 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: because we know that the estimates have ranged from as 93 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: low as three percent to as high as temper set 94 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: of students who have been disengaged for almost the better 95 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: part of a year. Students from particular socio economic and 96 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: racial groups are likely to be overrepresented among those who 97 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: drop out of school. McKinsey and co. Estimated in June 98 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: that learning loss will probably be greatest among youth from 99 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: low income families and black and Hispanic students, exacerbating existing 100 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: achievement gaps by fifteen to the consulting firm predicted u 101 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: S students in grades K through twelve may lose on 102 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: average the equivalent of a year of full time work 103 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: and lifetime earnings solely as a result of COVID related 104 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: learning losses. But it's not that schools haven't wanted to 105 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: open safely, and it says we have seen that schools 106 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: have had this kind of of trial by fire in 107 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: terms of trying to reopen successfully, and that many schools 108 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: have had to use a system of using different ideas 109 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: around what it would take to reofer and and then 110 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: pivoting when those ideas did not work well, meaning that 111 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: some have had to go back and had to close. Uh. 112 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: And that's been a global challenge. For one thing, school 113 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: buildings pose a challenge. We still have classrooms that don't 114 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: necessarily have windows or strong ventilation systems, and so we 115 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: know that has to be a priority, particularly in some 116 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: of these older buildings. You have to, you know, remember 117 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: that a lot of the buildings, especially in our large 118 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: urban cities, were built at the turn of the last century. 119 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: They looked like fortresses because they were meant to connote safety, 120 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: and as they've gotten older, they're harder to remediate, they're 121 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: harder to renovate, and that sees that's is part of 122 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: the challenge moving forward. And I just think that we 123 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: are in a place where we want to press reset 124 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: about the reopening of our schools, and so we have 125 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: some some time now to think about what we want 126 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: our schools to be and how we can reconceptualize using 127 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: some of those buildings that have been historically challenge. Modes 128 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: of teaching and the tools and technologies use for learning 129 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: will also change in it says, I think that people 130 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: expect that face to face learning is the ideal, but 131 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that we are ever going quite back 132 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: to that. I think what you're starting to see is 133 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: that there's just more technology. So whereas you may have 134 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: just had students have interaction on a laptop, now you're 135 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: seeing them use multiple devices all at the same time. 136 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: And it's also that they're learning how to engage with 137 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: one another socially. You're seeing that teachers are teaching both 138 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: to hybrid learners as well as to their face to 139 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: face students. And the technology is what is the bridge 140 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: for that to happen, so students can have root projects, 141 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: so that they can have lectures happening in their classes. 142 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: There is much more engagement that's happening, and it's happening 143 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: across multiple devices. PRIVID nineteen will leave its mink on 144 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: these generations children in so many profound and enduring ways 145 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: got the pandemics effect on schools may change the way 146 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: we learn forever. That was Jason Gale, and that's it 147 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: for our show today. 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