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Speaker 2: I don't have a beat for jay Z. My issue

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Speaker 2: with him right now is that they know me with

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit that was untrue. I could forgive a lot

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Speaker 2: of things I don't forget. I think that we've evolved

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Speaker 2: in different directions. He's become more of a businessman and

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Speaker 2: I've become more of a creative. I think fundamentally our

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: your host Buzz Night talks to musicians and industry insiders

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Speaker 1: about their latest projects and their love of music. On

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Speaker 1: this episode, Buzz talks with entrepreneur, musician, and record executive

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Speaker 1: Damon Dash along with Philly rapper Freeway about their new project.

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Speaker 1: Damon has a storied career. He discovered Kevin Hart and

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Speaker 1: the Black Keys, he co founded Rockefeller Records with jay Z,

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Speaker 1: and he's the CEO of America V Network and his

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Speaker 1: project with Freeway is called three sixty five. Listen and

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Speaker 1: you'll hear some provocative conversation about jay Z and the

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Speaker 1: Black Keys, along with insight into their new work. All

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Speaker 1: next on Taking a Walk with Buzz Night.

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Speaker 3: Damon and Freeway. Welcome to Take out a Walk. How

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Speaker 3: you guys do it.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're doing it.

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Speaker 2: I'm hip right now, Hip. I just found out that

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Speaker 2: we just hit twenty thousand downloads on my new television network,

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Speaker 2: American News. So you got to partner Mike excitement.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, congratulations, you just found out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know, every day there's a you know,

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Speaker 2: we get to report, and this week we were expecting

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Speaker 2: to hit twenty thousand, which is a few milestone in

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Speaker 2: the television network business, especially since we're not on Loku

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Speaker 2: or Samsung yet. We've just been in business about a month,

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Speaker 2: so it's a big deal. It's like having a hit record,

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Speaker 2: but having a hit television network is a whole different

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Speaker 2: kind of evaluation. So let me just put it to

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Speaker 2: you like this, for every download for evaluation, that's about

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Speaker 2: one hundred dollars a person. So you do the math.

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Speaker 2: This is why I'm celebrating.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, tell us more about that project. First,

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Speaker 3: you got to you gotta give us more info and

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Speaker 3: how folks could find it and get more downloads.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a television network of American New. But the project

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Speaker 2: that'll be talking about, the vertical, that's the content that's

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Speaker 2: going to be on America. New is this project Freeway

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Speaker 2: and the Black Guns. Freeway. I've known for twenty three years.

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Speaker 2: We just calculated it. He's part of state property original

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Speaker 2: Rockefeller and he's been going into schools with the Freedom

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Speaker 2: Thinker's Academy. I've been seeing him do that and we

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Speaker 2: reconnected through the OSG, which is a thousand, I mean

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Speaker 2: hundreds of punciples from economically challenged areas. And we were

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Speaker 2: at an OSG summit in Colombia and Freeway started to

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Speaker 2: perform and I jumped on the stage and it was

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Speaker 2: the first time I've been on stage with a Rockefeller

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Speaker 2: television network, so I was like, we have a studio

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Speaker 2: Florida five days and we arranged it because he's always

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Speaker 2: on the road, and we made ten records live Vesta

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Speaker 2: MISSI got the best guitar payer on the planet, cash

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Speaker 2: and we made the music video which I directed, which

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Speaker 2: hop we saw. We take every second, so it's the

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Speaker 2: documentary a curriculum. We did all the photo shoots for

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Speaker 2: all the assets, the Vibe came the shot to cover

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Speaker 2: and we did all the interviews, the podcast. We did

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Speaker 2: everything in five days, and we're going to go on

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Speaker 2: the road. First, we're going to do a quick rock

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Speaker 2: Vegas and Florida nineteen to twenty first and the twenty ninth,

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Speaker 2: and then we're gonna do a biggotur and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: go into schools. We're gonna teach the curriculum, we're gonna perform,

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Speaker 2: and it's just a new way of teaching people and

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Speaker 2: just showcasing that everything you do gotta be new and

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Speaker 2: it can be better. And we could also use music

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Speaker 2: as a form to teach and showcasing, and hip hop

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Speaker 2: is great and all verticals, so we could jump around

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Speaker 2: rock and soul, and that's what we did. That kind

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Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you, Dame and Free, first of all,

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Speaker 4: And it's just you know, of course for me. For me,

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Speaker 4: And the reason why when my company, Freedom Thinkers Academy,

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Speaker 4: negativity going on in the streets, and I feel like

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Speaker 4: that'd be a better outcome for them than being in

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what happens is born into a survival mode.

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Speaker 2: We were born in that ninety nine percent, and in

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Speaker 2: whatever they have to do to survive. Sometimes you compromise

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Speaker 2: your morals and your principles, but you know, in your heart.

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Speaker 2: You just want to help. You just want You don't

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Speaker 2: want to hurt that you don't know how. So as

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Speaker 2: But these opportunities present themselves, and our heart is good,

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Speaker 2: it's pure, and because you go through things, the trauma

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Speaker 2: it's an evolution, it's just grow. What does hip hop

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Speaker 2: Me and Freeway. It looks like superheroes, guys that do

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Speaker 2: right at what they do. So that's what this is,

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Speaker 2: just showcasing what love to do and how cool love

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Speaker 2: how to educate people to a different voice. But it

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Speaker 2: all started from our trauma, not wanting the people we

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Speaker 3: Well, Dame, first, I want to ask you this, and

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Speaker 3: creative process that you guys go through, uh when you're

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Speaker 3: creating and what walk us through you know, sort of

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Speaker 3: the typical nature of that first you game, Well, it.

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Speaker 2: Depends on what vertical, but this particular one, the rock

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Speaker 2: you'll be able to see what I'm telling you. You

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Speaker 2: could actually see the making of the first single on

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Speaker 2: we do, and you know, and we do it the

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Speaker 2: old school way. We make up all of the instruments.

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Speaker 2: I get a mic, Freeway get some mic, and we

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Speaker 2: just start playing, literally the record three sixty five. When

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Speaker 2: He said it, and then I took into hook and

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Speaker 2: it's like magic. And we did like five records that night.

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Speaker 2: And again that's what you said. We did five records

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Speaker 3: How about you free talk about the process from your perspective.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was a mezing. It was the same thing,

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Speaker 2: Or and if I helped, all word in the air.

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Speaker 2: So we say three sixty five, I'm like, oh that

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Speaker 2: it just messages. It's like magic, and that's why you

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Speaker 2: have to capture it, like you got to see it

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Speaker 2: to believe it. So what I'm saying, go to America

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Speaker 2: and download it right now and go to the blue

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Speaker 2: rock section and you'll see the Making Them three sixty

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Speaker 2: to see it, and we'll be able to teach it.

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Speaker 2: That's why we keep those cameras on.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you, Dame h what do you

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Speaker 3: think is the state of the music business right now?

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Speaker 2: I mean the state of the world is is you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been on this planet for like fifty one years.

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Speaker 2: I've been active in music for twenty at least, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, making it. I just think with AI, with

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Speaker 2: the different ways to distribute with Web three, there's going

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Speaker 2: verticals in different ways to make money that were not

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Speaker 2: anticipated before. And for people that don't know how to evolve,

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Speaker 2: they're going to lose. If you're mad at the evolution

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Speaker 3: About that free What do you think of the state

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Speaker 3: Also, Hey, Dame, is there is there any hope your

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to close with a question on advice

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Speaker 2: Every way. If you want to see it, make it happen.

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Speaker 3: I'd love I'd love to see. I'd love to see

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Speaker 2: Culturally, I have no beef for anybody. I might not

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Speaker 2: with They're not convert within our community. The division is

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Speaker 2: That's what I took. My choice was loved before money.

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Speaker 3: I'm so honored to get to talk to you. I

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Speaker 3: want to congratulate you on all your success, your projects,

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Speaker 3: your great work, your spirit and your collaborative process. Bless you,

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Speaker 2: Thank thanks tull you download a boverga, listen to the

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