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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to The Philly Show.

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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, Welcome to The Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todds a lucky We are

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Speaker 2: now part of the Foul Territory Network. It's Monday, July

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. The Phillies dropped two out

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Speaker 2: of three over the weekend of the Cleveland Guardians. They

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Speaker 2: have lost eight out of twelve, but they also made

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Speaker 2: two trades this weekend. Friday, they get Austin Hayes from

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Speaker 2: the Orioles. Ruben, Jim and I got together on Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: We broke that trade down. So if you missed that episode,

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Speaker 2: go back and check that out. It's a quick one.

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Speaker 2: Saturday Phillies rookie Tyler Phillips goes out and throws the

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Speaker 2: first shutout of his major league career and only the

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Speaker 2: third start of his major league career. We had Tyler

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Speaker 2: Phillips on the show on Friday, and that was a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun, fantastic interview, So if you miss that one,

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Speaker 2: definitely go back and check that one out.

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Speaker 1: You'll really enjoy that.

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Speaker 2: And then mid game on Saturday, the Phillies go out

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Speaker 2: and they trade for Angels closer Carlos Estevez. They gave

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Speaker 2: up a couple of pretty good pitching prospects for him.

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Speaker 2: Philly's no doubt looking for some bullpen help down the

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Speaker 2: stretch and in the postseason. He should help. Throws hard,

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Speaker 2: throws a ton of strikes. That's something that this bullpen needs.

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Speaker 2: So guys, let's break it down. What do we think

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Speaker 2: about the Carlos Estevez trade?

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Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt. I love this guy. I love

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Speaker 3: the pick up. I love the fact that they gave up.

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Speaker 3: I don't care whether there's number five or number seven.

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Speaker 3: They didn't give up their best players. They gave up

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Speaker 3: two guys. I know it was a rental, but prospects

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Speaker 3: are prospects, man. I don't classen. And the other kid,

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Speaker 3: the left hander, I don't know. I can't even pronounce

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Speaker 3: his name, Alda Gary al Gary Gary. I'm sorry, my

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Speaker 3: apologies to that young man. All I can tell you

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Speaker 3: is that those are prospects, and Estevez is doing it

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Speaker 3: at the major league level, and he is probably the

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Speaker 3: best of all the guys that are going to be

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Speaker 3: I had a great, great talk with Mark Gubisaw, who

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Speaker 3: was my teammate at Penn Charter. He is one of

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Speaker 3: the color guys in Anaheim for the Angels. He's a

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Speaker 3: fantastic human being. But he's also really gave me the

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Speaker 3: real He said, this guy is a dude. He said,

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Speaker 3: he loves him. I said, does he have balls? That's

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Speaker 3: the exact question I asked him. I said, does he

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Speaker 3: have balls? He said, he's got gigantic ones. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: I mean he believes. And I said, because you know,

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Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, when you're trying to win a World Series,

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Speaker 3: you gotta have him. And he said, oh yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: I know. I mean he's a Philadelphia he's from Roxboro.

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Speaker 3: He gets it. He knows he loves the guy, and

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Speaker 3: he's sad to see him go, but he knows that

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Speaker 3: Perry Manacian's got to make moves. He's a GM for

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Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, and he knows they

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Speaker 3: need a lot and they had to make moves. And listen,

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Speaker 3: you got to get quality for quality, and this guy

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Speaker 3: is a quality piece. And I love it. And they

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Speaker 3: may not be done. I know that they've gotten the Hayes.

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Speaker 3: I like that move. I like that move. I love

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Speaker 3: this move. Even if it doesn't work out. They're trying

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Speaker 3: to do everything they possibly can to win, and they

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Speaker 3: in October and hopefully November, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 3: going to go that long September, October, November that you

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Speaker 3: got to have these guys that can slam the door

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Speaker 3: at the end of the game. And it's leaking a

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's nice to hear, and I think that's great.

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Speaker 4: You reached out to Goobas who sees him every day.

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Speaker 4: He's the broadcaster, right Uh. He knows the heck out

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Speaker 4: of pitching.

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Speaker 1: He sure does.

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Speaker 3: He's one of that. He's rated one of the best

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Speaker 3: pitchers in baseball for two years. Elias had him. Is

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Speaker 3: ranked the number one pitcher for two straight years. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how they do their rankings, but for two

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he.

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Speaker 4: Was a stud, absolute stud. I can still see his

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Speaker 4: delivery in my mind. But you know, you mentioned that

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Speaker 4: he's got I'll use the word guts, guts strikes and Vello.

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Speaker 4: I love that at the end of a game, guts

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Speaker 4: World Series. You know, however you want to phrase it,

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Speaker 4: they're trying to win the World Series. Gave up two good,

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Speaker 4: promising arms, both having kind of break through years. But

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Speaker 4: you know, Classen's had trouble throwing strikes. He's really starting

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Speaker 4: showing a lot of promise, getting stronger.

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Speaker 5: Building v Low.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 4: And I like them both, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: they could continue to go this way, but who knows

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Speaker 4: which way they're going to go. And I hope they

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Speaker 4: continue to climb and continue to get better, and I

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Speaker 4: hope they both pitching the major leagues. I love to

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Speaker 4: see everybody's dream come true.

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Speaker 5: But you can't.

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Speaker 4: You know, the fact of the matter is they're kind

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Speaker 4: of second tier prospects in the Phillies organization. They're not

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Speaker 4: Aiden Miller, they're not Andrew Painter, they're not justin Crawford.

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Speaker 4: You were able to hang on to that core of

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Speaker 4: your elite prospects. And we don't know if they're gonna

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Speaker 4: make it, because they're prospects. Nothing is guaranteed, but you

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Speaker 4: really like you know how they look now and you

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Speaker 4: really like how they profile. You able to hang on

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Speaker 4: to those guys and fill two big needs. Right handed

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Speaker 4: throws hard, that's done it before, that doesn't scare been

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Speaker 4: He's a good one. I think if they're done, I

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Speaker 4: think it's been a good trade deadline. I really do.

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Speaker 4: And I don't necessarily think they're done. We both know,

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Speaker 4: we all know Dombroski, and he's aggressive and he'll keep

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Speaker 4: working something right till the end. And there's you know,

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Speaker 4: few teams right on that tightrope that might decide, you know,

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Speaker 5: Here's a there's a bunch of guys to take a

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Speaker 4: So I wouldn't surprise me to see one more move,

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Speaker 2: What do you think they should go for if they

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Speaker 2: been some talk of some rotation interest, possibly because Suarez

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what was interesting to me was the

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Speaker 3: thought process. Okay, if if if Suarez is out for

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Speaker 3: a while, well, you know, Suarez can pitch him the

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Speaker 3: And he's add tremendous success as a closer. Lest we forget,

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Speaker 3: the man has closed now. I don't know that they'll

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Speaker 3: be a closer, but that's another arm. If you're really

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Speaker 3: not all that comfortable player Alvarado is right now or

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Speaker 3: I think get better. I know he's going through a

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to take Suarez and you

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Speaker 3: he can't build up the innings to be out there

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Speaker 3: and pitching as a starter. Do you make a run

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Speaker 3: worst thing. You can never have enough arms to win

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Speaker 3: a World Series. You just can't. Look at the Houston

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Speaker 3: that they've had success offensively, but they've had great pitching. Man,

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Speaker 3: they had the best overall staff in the game in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. If you can pitch and get outs, man,

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Speaker 3: you got to got yourself a chance to win. So

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Speaker 3: is it possible they make a run at a center

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Speaker 3: I mean, he struck out what like twenty times since

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Speaker 3: the All Star Breaker, thirty times since the All star breaker.

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Speaker 3: I don't many with the percentages. Finally hit her home

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Speaker 3: run the other day, but I mean, I mean, do

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Speaker 3: you try to get a little bit more offensive? Maybe? Maybe,

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Speaker 3: but I wouldn't pay anything past Davin Browski Man. He's

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Speaker 3: They're hell bent on doing what they can to try

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Speaker 4: They're clearly concerned about center field. I mean, Brandon marsh Hey,

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Speaker 4: we really don't want to play him against lefties. He

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Speaker 4: They're clearly trying to put that puzzle together to figure

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Speaker 4: center field market. I really don't feel Lewis Robert moved

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 4: I have heard they continue to monitor the market for

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Speaker 4: Garrett Crochet from the White Sox, left handed strikeout arm,

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Speaker 4: be a bullpen guy. It's probably an extreme long shot,

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Speaker 4: but you know, I hear they continue to monitor that

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Speaker 4: what might happen. So that, coupled with Rangers status, I

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Speaker 5: They could still add another arm.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it will be that quality, but

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Speaker 4: they're still looking for arms. And you know, Texas, Texas

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Speaker 4: just got swept over the weekend by the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 4: They were kind of on the fence. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if they're going to sell, but they have some interesting arms.

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Speaker 4: Kirby Yates, I mean, a Valdi is an arm that

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Speaker 4: would interest me. He's got a history with Dombrowski. That said,

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Speaker 4: he's got a very reachable twenty million dollar option for

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Speaker 4: next season. I don't know if they can go there

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Speaker 4: based on you know, it's based on his innings. I

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Speaker 4: think he's fifty innings short of twenty million. But I'm

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Speaker 4: sure all these topics are being discussed in that war

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Speaker 4: room and I will not be one bit surprised if

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Speaker 4: they make another move, be at a depth piece on

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Speaker 4: the offensive side, in the outfield, be it another bullpen arm,

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Speaker 4: every one of those being fit in some way.

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Speaker 3: There's got to be players for the Toronto Blue Jays

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Speaker 3: that have to be there. I mean, that's a pretty

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Speaker 3: good I think they've got a lot of talent. Then

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Speaker 5: You fill it.

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Speaker 4: Hey remember the deadline twenty twenty two, two years ago?

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Speaker 5: So mean a big chance here and really kind of

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Speaker 4: I think these trades are going to help in performance,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. They They've been playing very mediocre baseball. Their offense,

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Speaker 2: Did you see what Harper said postgame?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said postgame?

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Speaker 5: He said it was terrible.

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Speaker 2: Well, so he was asked about the trade downy. He

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Speaker 2: And then you know, we'll see what else Dave might

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Speaker 1: And it's so it's so true because.

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Speaker 3: He he means himself too, because he said he oh.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, right, no, he he said, he's like, I

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Speaker 1: In the seventh inning of the night today, he.

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Speaker 2: Filed off a fastball right down the middle of the plate, right,

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Speaker 1: But it's so true.

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Speaker 2: You know, Austin Hayes is going to help, but he's

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Speaker 2: not gonna make or break the World Series chances. If

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Speaker 2: Bryce Harper, Nick Castilla's trade turner calls sh forber jt

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Speaker 2: Room moved to Zach Wheeler, Aaron Nola aren't performing up

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to lead the way.

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Speaker 4: We have said it all along. They're gonna win this thing.

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Speaker 4: That we said this, you know, before the trade deadline,

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Speaker 4: If they're gonna win this thing, you're gona have to

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Speaker 4: But you know, look at the acquisitions, the signings and

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Speaker 5: And I agree with the offense is gonna wake up.

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Speaker 4: This is Yes, you have weeks where you where you

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Speaker 3: Pox Yeah, I mean, listen, there are no Juan Soto's

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Speaker 3: out there that ain't happening. You're not going to acquire

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Speaker 3: a guy like that. Aaron Judge is not going on

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Speaker 3: the block. Okay, Trout is no longer Trout. Okay, the

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Speaker 3: There's nobody who's going to make any kind of major

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Speaker 3: For the Phillies, they have superstars. He's right, Schwarbert superstar

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Speaker 3: home run hitter ridiculous, putting up very very good numbers

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Speaker 3: If they are not performing, forget about it. Louise Roberts

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Speaker 2: Is not carrying them, right, Would you guys give up

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Speaker 2: Justin Crawford and Loise Roberts trade, Not even remotely.

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Speaker 3: Luis Robert to me is somebody that I would absolutely

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's interesting. Yeah, and that ain't happen either.

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Speaker 3: The GM over there is every all eyes are on

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, you know that the Austin Hayes trade

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Speaker 2: kind of come out of nowhere. Everybody is speculating on

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Speaker 4: So, so is he gonna be the Is he gonna be?

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Speaker 4: Looks like he's gonna be the left fielder for a while.

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Speaker 3: Let him play left field, Yes, left field all the

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Speaker 5: This platoon is going to be a platoon in center field.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a platoon in centerfield. Joan Johann Rojas

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Speaker 2: And rob said he is going to give Austin Hayes

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Speaker 3: And that's all he's really been because his swings are

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Speaker 2: It would go such a long way to have Marsh

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't hit lefties if you don't play,

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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see what how Estebez fits in

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Speaker 2: never had an official closer, but sounds like they're going

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Speaker 2: to give him the majority of the work in the

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Speaker 2: ninth inning, which is.

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Speaker 3: Why why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't until he until he

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Speaker 3: proved himself not worthy, until he proves himself that he

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Speaker 3: can't do it for a contending team. He's proven it

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Speaker 3: this year, he's proven it somewhat last year. Let the

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Speaker 3: guy go, let him close. I mean, hey, that makes

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Speaker 3: life a whole lot easier on Rob Thompson.

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Speaker 2: And you can mix and match all those other guys

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Speaker 2: and they're really correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can go right.

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Speaker 4: He's lefties, and maybe it takes a little pressure off Alvarado,

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Speaker 4: who might be, you know, feeling a little bit with

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Speaker 4: some of these struggles he's had because you really need,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, like some of these hitters, you

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Speaker 4: really need to get him right. Yeah, he's pretty nasty

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Speaker 4: when he is.

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Speaker 3: Right, filthy, absolutely dominant. I mean, think about how good

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Speaker 3: he was for about two months or three I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean even last year, like untouchable for a while.

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Speaker 3: I mean untouchable, the best left hander, and you know,

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Speaker 3: he was like the Matt Strom from from last year.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully he can get things going again, and I

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Speaker 3: think he will. It's just about confidence.

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Speaker 4: So how about uh, I wanted to you know, how

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Speaker 4: about Saturday night Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Phillips, Oh, yeah, you want an effort?

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Speaker 5: Does he just todd? Does he even?

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Speaker 4: Because I don't know if Ruben saw a lot of

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Speaker 4: this guy, although he traded for him. He reminds me

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Speaker 4: a little Jared Ikough, where's the same number? Big guy

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Speaker 4: does a lot of good breaking ball like icon. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he came out of the Rangers organization. Even his delivery

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Speaker 4: a little bit, his demeanor a little bit. I want

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Speaker 4: a ball game, he pitched.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right about the demeanor, like on the mound,

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Speaker 2: Jared's kind of a bulldog. I mean, this guy's he's

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Speaker 2: definitely got that vibe. He talked about it when we

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Speaker 2: had him on late last week, and and just his

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Speaker 2: you know, and both tremendous people off the field too,

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Speaker 2: like like a jackal and Hyde type of personality. Even

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Speaker 2: Schwarber said it yesterday, he says, uh, you know, seeing

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Speaker 2: him in the tunnel like in between Enning, he's like

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Speaker 2: he's he doesn't even make eye contact with anybody's he's ready.

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Speaker 1: To kill you. He looks like he's ready to kill you.

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Speaker 3: But and it's an assassin. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great performance and they's something that

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Speaker 2: they definitely they definitely needed.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: I'll probably get I'll probably get canceled for that. But

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Speaker 3: here's the deal. I think that this guy is perfect

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Speaker 3: for Philadelphia. Understands the mentality, he understands it, and he

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Speaker 3: and and he. I love his face on the mount

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Speaker 3: I love his demeanor on the mountain. He talked about

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Speaker 3: Jared Yakoff. One of the interesting things about when I

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Speaker 3: made that trade for Cole Hamil's and move trade Cole Hamils,

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Speaker 3: the one guy that John Daniels did not want to

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Speaker 3: give up was Jaredykoff because he thought he was the

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Speaker 3: best makeup guy he had. He thought he was going

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Speaker 3: to be the you know, the man had a bad

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Speaker 3: shoulder and it crushed him and it just ended his

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Speaker 3: career basically because shoulders are much tougher to come back

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Speaker 3: them from elbows. But you know this guy, you talk

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Speaker 3: about balls, he had him well. And I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 3: one thing I loved about I loved about him. I

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Speaker 3: love this kid, and I'm just it was just unfortunately

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Speaker 3: he got injured.

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Speaker 4: Well, John Daniels was one hundred percent right because Jarediakoff

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Speaker 4: had great makeup, He was smart, follow a game plan,

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Speaker 4: he was tough, he competed, he was a great teammate.

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Speaker 4: His intangibles were off the charts. He was their best

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Speaker 4: pitcher in sixteen. I think he led the staff in era,

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Speaker 4: had like a three two five I think. And then

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Speaker 4: his shoulder he heard his shoulders. Unfortunately. It's so sad,

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Speaker 4: you know, but that big body, that competitiveness, that breaking

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Speaker 4: ball and style of pitching, and the Rangers roots and

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Speaker 4: the number on the.

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Speaker 5: Back forty eight. Really yeah, you know, thinking about Tyle

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Speaker 5: Phillips a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It was cool coming out to the to the mound

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Speaker 2: of the ninth inning. He said he was he had

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Speaker 2: the chills. He didn't know if he should laugh, if

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Speaker 2: he should he was getting if he should get choked up,

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Speaker 2: if he should have tears rolling down his face because

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Speaker 2: he had the standing ovation as he walked out there

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Speaker 2: in the ninth inning.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: Really it's one of the greatest stories of the year.

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Speaker 3: It really is. It was one of the greatest. Especially,

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Speaker 3: I mean he spits three times, now, is it three

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Speaker 3: times start and what it was he had like one walk,

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Speaker 3: two walks mane Yeah, I mean, come on, man, that's

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Speaker 3: just that is just impressive. Man. I love it. I

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Speaker 3: love it. It's just a terrific story. And you pull

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Speaker 3: for this guy. I'll continue to pull for him. That podcast,

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Speaker 3: That interview we did with him was just spectacular. I

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Speaker 3: loved his demeanor, I love his makeup, and uh, I'll

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Speaker 3: be pulling for that cat.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of interviews, we got another one coming tomorrow. Hunter

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Speaker 2: Pence n We talked with Hunter Pence the other day

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Speaker 2: and that was a lot of fun too. We're kind

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Speaker 2: of reliving twenty eleven, even though it didn't end the

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Speaker 2: way everybody wanted it to end. He was should have

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Speaker 2: or should should have ended Ruben. Yeah, did not end

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Speaker 2: the way anybody wanted it to end, but he was

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun. He's gonna be in town this week.

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Speaker 2: He's throw out the first pitch before the Yankees Phillies

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Speaker 2: game on Wednesday afternoon. They're doing that twentieth anniversary of

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Speaker 2: Citizens Bank Park, so they're bringing back some of the

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00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 2: old Phillies to do that.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna throw out the first pitch.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, We talked to him and that'll be out

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: That should be.

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Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun as well, so check

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Speaker 2: that out. And of course we'll be back after the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline. Who knows what they're gonna do. Maybe they

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Speaker 2: do nothing, maybe they do something big, maybe Dave Nebrowski

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Speaker 2: surprises everybody, and then we'll come back and break that down.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, we'll be back. We're always back.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you guys later.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jim, Thanks Ruben.

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