1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Finally the teams who were favorite in the Pack twelve 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: one in week seven. It was an absolutely great weekend 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: for the conference, but we got some issues going on. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: First of all, of course we're gonna do the Pack 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: twelve power rankings, but why on Earth is a top 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: fifteen matchup on Pack twelve network instead of on ESPN. Also, 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: why are the players in the Pack twelve footprint leaving 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: the conference to go to other conferences. We're gonna talk 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: to Woody Womack about that. He is the Southeast recruiting 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: analysts for Rivals and Yahoo Sports. I'm George Rice Stir 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: with Ralph Emson, and this is the Pack twelve a possible. 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: It was a good weekend the Pack twelve man the 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: underdogs finally stopped winning and destroying everything that the Pack 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: twelve has going on. Of course, we got Ralph Amston 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: and we will a welcome friend of the show, Woody 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: wo Mac. What's up? Woody? All right? George, great to 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: be here, but one of the few people in the 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: South that actually watches the Pac twelve. So I'm honored 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: to be on the show to talk about it. Dude, 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: it is absolutely outrageous to me because I went on 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: uh Stadium and Gale Florida Gators podcast, and they get 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: to just viewing, you know, party lines about the Pack 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: twelve because they clearly don't watch it. They're like, nobody 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: plays defense in the back door. It sucks. Everybody's terrible. 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like, have you watched SEC FOOTBA football? Only 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: the top teams are really good? Yeah, I mean, you know, 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt lost to u n l V the other day, 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: and it's just it's been a trend of the team, 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: especially at the bottom quarter of the league. I mean, 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: Arkansas lost to San Jose State and then Tennessee of 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: course lost to b y U and Georgia State, so 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: they've got their shares of losses, but they don't they 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: don't claim those teams. They just want the teams at 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: the top start the season ranked high. They only lose 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to each other, they stay ranked. Hih. It's a pretty 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: full proof system that PAC twelve has got to figure 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: that out. I gotta jump in here and go ahead 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: and give our weekly two middle fingers up to b 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: y you for continuing to lose games after beating Tennessee 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: and USC and and I think what they're like two 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: and four now or something. Uh, they look terrible and 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: it's embarrassing everyone involved. Yeah, USF is one of the 43 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: worst teams in the country. So that's a that's a 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: really bad loss for them. I don't know how. I 45 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they're having quarterback issues. But yeah, 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: that's the baitle Woody w doy. So you mentioned something 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 1: about the conference in general like that that how these 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: schedules are set up, and I hate them, like I 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: hate the way the SEC sets up a schedule with 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: eight power with their eight conference games, three terrible non 51 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: conference games, and then they're one mandatory Power five game. 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: But then you get teams like you know Alabama this 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: year who scheduled Duke and last year Georgia only had 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. And it is a full proof system because 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: they don't count the teams at the bottom and they 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: just put and they're only judged against themselves and maybe 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: one or two non conference games all years like it. 58 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: Do people in the stuff realized that this is a racket? No, 59 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: they don't really, because they they they've convinced that the 60 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: conference is so hard, and I mean it is for 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: a team like if you look at like Texas, a 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: and M schedule this year, it's insane. They're played Clemson, UH, 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: they have a ridiculous schedule. But yeah, most of the 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: people here tow that company line. And even even a 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: team like Tennessee they're not even the playing a Power 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: of five team to shore. They're playing by U, which 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: I guess they're counting is one. But it's pretty crazy 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: to think that a team that plays eight conference games 69 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: then also is going to play all, you know, non 70 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: Power five opponents. But yeah, they don't see it that way. 71 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: They view it as hey, it's a content every week. 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: You know. They if a team from wherever was here 73 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: they have four or five have losses and it's like 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: it's the it's the same thing every year, when really 75 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: when you look at you know, Alabama's schedule, it's it 76 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: really comes down to L S U and UH and 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Auburn and getting to that to the title game, and 78 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: usually the same for Georgia except Floridas. I think it's surprising. 79 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: It's all with how good they've been, Well why do Okay, 80 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: so only two Power five conferences have records that are 81 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: above five hundred and nine conference play against the other 82 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Power five conferences. That's the Big twelve, that's six and four. 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: The PACK to what's five and three? The SEC is 84 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: five and five, Big ten, four and five, and the 85 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: a SEC, which everybody regards as horrendous this year, is 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: three and six. So what do what what do you 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: think the PAC twelve has to do to I guess 88 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: change that perception nationally well beside stop scheduling Mountain West 89 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: teams that beat us every time, right, the see that's 90 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: where they mess up. Like you don't see that. You 91 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: don't see any teams from the SEC playing UCF And 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's the that's the equivalent the Mountain West 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: is to the PAC twelve what the a C is 94 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: to the to the SEC and a CEC. And usually 95 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: the a SEC teams that that play them end up 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: regretting it. And they're playing the Cincinnatis and Temples of 97 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: the world. Um right, I mean, look at Temple is 98 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: good every single year. They have a good defense, it 99 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: seems like now and you go look at the go 100 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: look at the a C standings. I mean, you know, 101 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: tu Lane played Auburn really tough. Um Cincinnati got killed 102 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: by Ohio State. But I mean the rest of them, 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: they're they're you know Memphis beat Old miss Like that's 104 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: the thing, like and and like Ralph said, I mean 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: playing San Diego State every year is hard and it's 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: not like back in the day, Georgia I remember. I 107 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: seem like when you were in college, you guys have 108 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: played Fresno State every year or whatever, um and those 109 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: games like that. I know you you have to have 110 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: somebody of talent on the roster, but are on the schedule. 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: But every year, if if you're a bottom feeding pack 112 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: twelve team, I would be avoiding those games like to 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: play I I'd be like, sure, we'll play San Jose State, 114 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: but we're not playing on or San Diego State or 115 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Fresno State every year. Shoot, wait, Missouri. Missouri is five 116 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: and one and they decided to be a good idea 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: to go to Laramie and right now they're only lost 118 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: is that one playing at set Yeah, that was a 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: crazy That was one of those games. And saying perdue 120 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: and out and lost to Nevada. I'm like, who who 121 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: had produced said yeah, let's do a home and home 122 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: with Nevada. I would have told them it was a 123 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: bad and I don't think Nevada is even good. But 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: once I saw the game on the schedule. I was like, 125 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: that's that's probably an ELF for them because that's a 126 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: tough place to play, to to go there, uh at 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: somewhat elevation and play a team like that being that 128 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: far from home. So h I think Ralph has a 129 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: point there with the schedule, Like I think like they 130 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: need those wins over Like I like Oregon playing Auburn 131 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: and they should have won that game. And George and 132 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: I did a podcast right after that. If they would 133 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: have won that game right now, they'd be probably in 134 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: the top five. And those are the games they need 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: to keep playing and winning. And Washington was right there 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: with Auburn last year. So to get over the hump, 137 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: they need that, and they need USC to be, you know, 138 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: of consequence, because when USC is not good or Oregon 139 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: is not dominant, I just don't think the rest of 140 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: the conference is going to get the respect that they need. 141 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: I don't understand. So we we all watched the USC 142 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: Notre Dame game, and USC clearly has talent, and I 143 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: am I it is beyond me because when when you 144 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: when you look at the recruiting class numbers, because you've 145 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: you go over this year after year after year, and 146 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: USC has talent. They they have like forty seven or 147 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: forty eight four and five star players on our team, 148 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: which competes with everybody except Alabama and Georgia pretty pretty much. 149 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: They I mean, they had the number one class four 150 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: years ago, and usually that's an indicator of success. Yeah, 151 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I actually honestly thought they were gonna win that. But 152 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: going in I easily thought they were going to cover. 153 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: I thought they had a chance to win, and just 154 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: because of the athletes they have, especially at wide receiver um, 155 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: but they're just they're just missing a few things. And 156 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: the coaching situation, the fact that they've let it get 157 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: to this point is kind of ridiculous if you ask me, 158 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should fire uh Clay Helton right 159 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: now in the middle of the season, but the constant 160 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: uncertainty hanging over him has killed them and recruiting, and 161 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: it's you know, that's I think it's one of the reasons, 162 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: I know you want to talk about it. It's one 163 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: of the reasons that guys have have started to leave 164 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: to go elsewhere because there's not a stable situation at 165 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: USC and and that's why it's kind of opened the 166 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: doors to these SEC schools to come recruit California. Well, 167 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: the the player who was recently done that the well 168 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: most notably was Bryce Young, who the modern day quarterback. 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: He was committed to uh USC and then he flipped 170 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: his commitment to go to Alabama. And we've and we've 171 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: seen like some of the top talent in the pactual 172 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: footprint leave to go elsewhere. Like people UH suspect the 173 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: cornerback from Arizona, Kelly Kelly Ringo, that they think he'll leave. 174 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: I think that just justin Flow, who's outstanding, the the 175 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: linebacker from from upland they think that he's gonna leave 176 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: the pack, the Pack twelve. What since you talk to 177 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: so many kids that you UH nationally, like, what is 178 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: the perception of the conference and of the football and 179 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: why they're leaving not just and just not just going 180 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: to USC. Yeah. I think the thing that with Bryce, 181 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: I think Bryce wanted to go to USC, but it 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: became appared to him that the path to the field 183 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: might be a little bit different with the way the 184 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks have emerged. I mean, once Daniels went down, that's 185 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: when the rumors really ramped up that I was like, hey, 186 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: he's got a red shirt this year. Uh. Instead of 187 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: being a junior, he's gonna be Richard sophomore. And I 188 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: think Bryce had hoped like, let me come in and 189 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: sit a year and then and then win the job. Um. 190 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: And then when Slow start to playing well, it was like, Okay, 191 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 1: now it's a double whammy. Alabama has been dying to 192 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: get him, and I'm pretty sure they're telling him you 193 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: can come in and compete for the job year one. Uh. 194 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: And we've had freshmen be successful before, so he bought 195 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: into that. But I just think the overall selling point is, 196 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, these guys want to be the kids, want 197 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: to be in the best environment to a you know, 198 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: get to the NFL. That's always the number one goal. Uh. 199 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: And and the coaches in the South have convinced them 200 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: that that's the way to go, which I find it. 201 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of untrue, especially considering if you 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: look at some guys from the South that have gone 203 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: to the Pack twelve, they've had like like you know, 204 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: for example, Utah's running back Zack Moss. I mean, Miami 205 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: told him they didn't have a spot for him, and 206 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: now look how well he's done in the Pac Twall 207 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: and he's gonna be a you know, a top three 208 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: round draft pick. Ugo Amati, a guy that played at 209 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Oregon at that l s U and Tennessee told him 210 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: they didn't have a spot for him, and now he's 211 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: playing for the Seahawks, was a fourth round pick. So 212 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of guys like that 213 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: that have that have done it on their own and 214 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: gone the other way from the South up there. But 215 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: and that's why I think you've seen some guys who 216 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: have left the West Coast, they end up coming back, 217 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: like you know, Chris Steele you mentioned, But I mean 218 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: it's hard no matter where you live if Clemson comes 219 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: calling to to turn them down. I mean back in 220 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: the day when USC was that school, they were going 221 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: to Florida and getting guys like Leonard Williams and players 222 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: like that to come out there because Hey, I want 223 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: to win championships, I want to go to the NFL. 224 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: So it's just one of those things. It's it's kind 225 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: of cyclical. And I know it seems like we've never 226 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: seen guys from the West Coast leave like this before, 227 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: but it's it's happened in the past and and maybe 228 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: not to this extent. But once there's a dominant team 229 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: or two teams out there that that can consistently win, 230 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 1: I think you'll see it kind of reverse course. Well, quarterbacks, 231 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm not so worried about because it feels like there 232 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: and I don't want to say Diamond doesn't because they're 233 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: all pretty good. I mean you have just I mean 234 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: just Arizona alone. Arizona isn't there were not even close 235 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: yet to being on like Ohio or Georgia's level as 236 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: far as recruiting. But Michigan has an Arizona quarterback commit, 237 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: Ohio State has an Arizona quarterback commit, Oklahoma has an 238 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: Arizona quarterback. Produced started one yesterday, Iowa State started one yesterday, 239 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: Virginia started one on Friday. Like they're they're Keithan Slovis 240 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: is in Arizona. It so like the and then California's 241 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: full of quarterbacks as well. What I worry about, and 242 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: this is one thing that I think you and I 243 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: talked about at Rivals camp in in l A. Was 244 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: just like, there's not a lot of alignment out here 245 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: to begin with, quality alignment, and so when the good 246 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: ones leave, that's I think that creates more of an 247 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: issue than any of the other position groups. Yeah, there's 248 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: there's no I mean the alignement situation is is terrible 249 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: and this is no other way to put it. I mean, 250 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: there there are guys that can grow and develop into 251 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: quality players. There are just not the plug and play 252 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: type guys, the the day one type guys. We were 253 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: talking before we started about U about U C l A. 254 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: And I remember at the Five Star Challengers as our 255 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: lead event we have every year, was Jalen Phillips was 256 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: a senior and he finished as a five Star and 257 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: was one of the top I think seven out of 258 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: ranked them number one overall if I remember right. Anyway, 259 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: he was going against Cade Mays, who's now at George 260 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: was from Tennessee and he was an underclassman at the time, 261 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: and I remember Cade May's just picking up Jalen Phillips, 262 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: just throwing him into the ground, and Jalen Phillips was 263 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: like fighting back to you, and I was like, keep 264 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: pushing me to the ground. And I was like, well, 265 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: I mean this. I went to Adam Grony, who comes 266 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: the West coast for us, so I was like, this 267 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: dude is crying because a kid an underclassman is tossing 268 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: him around, and you guys are telling me, this is 269 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: the number one player in the country. Get this kid 270 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: out of here, you know what I mean. So I 271 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: just think that, like, the bodies aren't there. I mean, 272 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, I played high school football in Oregon and 273 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: I was one of the biggest dudes. And I'm like 274 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: six ft tall and I was like six f two, 275 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, and I was like considered myself to be 276 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: a maler. There just aren't bodies like that out there. So, 277 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: like I noticed weird. But how much of it do 278 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: you think is the West Coast attitude healthy, healthy, eating, 279 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: eating better, trying to try, trying to stay fit. How 280 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: much of it do you think is of that where 281 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: in in the South. I'm from the South. I was 282 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: born in Memphis, I've lived in Jacksonville, all of that stuff. 283 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: The diet is different, how they feel about bigness is different, size, 284 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: all of that. So I think that's why you get more, 285 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, three hundred plus pounders in high school and 286 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: you get more trim agile lineman out on the West Coast. Yeah, 287 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: it's true. I totally agree with that. And I mean, 288 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: go walk around any any sec campus and take a 289 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: look at the couples that you see pairing up. I 290 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: mean there are beautiful womenless and ugly dudes, you know, 291 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: including myself here in Atlanta. So I mean, you know, 292 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. It's a different type of mindset. And 293 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: uh and in the same you know, Florida's I think 294 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: the Florida schools right now, we're having a similar issue. 295 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: There are not as many good offensive linemen in Florida anymore. 296 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: And you're seeing it at the at the Big Three, 297 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: especially at you know, Florida State and Miami. Miami's haven't 298 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: look at their offensive line is brutal um. So it's 299 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: a common issue. I did hear. You know, we know 300 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: Oregon's offensive line has has obviously been a you know, 301 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: vastly improved under Christal ball. I heard someone talk about 302 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: how his strategy to go into Utah and get guys 303 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: is because it's the closest they can find too, you know, 304 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: the sec where sec footprint, where there's these big bodies 305 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: are readily available. You have about a policies, yeah, you 306 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: have about a Polynesian cat right exactly. He's about right. 307 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: He's made that a priority and it makes sense. I 308 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: mean I remember back in the day, uh my friend, 309 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: when my friend Brent Harberly was playing uh for for Oregon, 310 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: he lived in a house and it was like him 311 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: and like, I think, Helloi not to live there, and 312 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: like a Noca Lucas and a bunch of other big 313 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: Polynesian Yeah, And I remembers like eight of them in 314 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: one house, and I was like, man, these are the 315 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: biggest dudes I've ever seen in my life. You know. 316 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: Now down here I see them all the time, but 317 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: at that time and like oh five or whenever that was, 318 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: I was not used to to that. So I like 319 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: that strategy. And you you're seeing Alabama dip into Utah, 320 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: target some guys and get some guys too. So and 321 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: and even l s U. L s U got a 322 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: huge defensive tackle out of their last year. So I 323 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: think that's the key if you're if you're these Pack 324 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: twelve schools, you gotta make Utah and the Polynesian communities specifically, 325 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: whether it's in Utah, Hawaii or American Samoa or whatever, 326 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta find those bodies because there are 327 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: always players to be found. I can't believe how under 328 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: recruited Hawaii continues to be I mean, I I was 329 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: going on and on a uh Jaden de Laura, the 330 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: quarterback from St. Louis. I saw him in the spring, 331 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: and I must have told every college coach that asked 332 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: me about quarterbacks, and and everyone said, oh yeah, I'll 333 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: take a look at him. We'll cut up the film. Well, 334 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, he commits. He just committed to 335 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Washington State. They afready committed almost immediately. And you know, 336 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: I think Mike Leach, you know, say what you want 337 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: about him, but he has a way of fine quarterbacks. 338 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: I think the kid's going to be great there. So 339 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: so will give no. So I have a question because 340 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: it's been about twenty three months since Herm Edwards was 341 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: brought into Arizona State amongst you know, uh much Uh 342 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: what is the difference? Anti fanfare? People were not too 343 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: happy about it. But Hermitwards came in and he set 344 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: some hard and fast rules that seemed to sort of 345 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: exclude each other. He said, number one, we're only recruiting 346 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: our footprint. We're gonna go California, Las Vegas, a little 347 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: bit of Texas, all of Arizona. We're gonna go hard 348 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: at that and then he said, we need minimum height 349 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: and weight requirements for all of our visions. And six 350 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: months go by and all of a sudden, guess what 351 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Herm Edwards, Antonio Piers, everybody. They're all out in Georgia, Louisiana, Florida, 352 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: and they've been pulling players from there. But my question 353 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: to you would, since you rate a lot of these 354 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: players and and a lot of it, it does come 355 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: down to what their potential will be based on a 356 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: frame that's sort of already out there and set by 357 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, NFL team. Is it easier for some of 358 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: these coaches just to go out and get a big 359 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: piece of clay and shape it versus recruiting some of 360 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: these guys who maybe a little bit undersized, but they're 361 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: they're proving it through their play, like the proof is 362 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: in the film. Yeah, they are coaches, and I'm sure 363 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: George can back this up. Coaches are just so afraid 364 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: to like really go outside the mold. They're almost like scared. 365 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: It's like they'd rather fail by playing it safe. A 366 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: lot of guys where than taking chances. And that's why 367 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: some guys who are you know, outside the box thinkers 368 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: are used to be like chip Kelly. You know, he 369 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: was taking small guys or taking guys who played different 370 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: positions and moving him and had so much success in Oregon. 371 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: And and I mean I I do interviews all the time, 372 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: like I did one with the the newspaper in Minneapolis 373 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: to start contributing about their quarterback, Tanner Morgan. And you 374 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: go back and you look at his profile when he 375 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: was in high school and it's like a bunch of 376 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: us putting him on top performers lists or giving him 377 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: award at camp, and then a bunch of articles about 378 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: him throwing well at schools, but nobody offered him. Louisville 379 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: didn't off from Kentucky didn't offer him. And she's like, 380 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: well why didn't they? And I was like, well the 381 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: kid was six ft tall and they were worried he 382 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: was too short. And the same goes for Gardner Minshew. 383 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: I mean Gardner Minshew came to our camp as an underclassman. 384 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: He won the overall Quarterback m v P at the 385 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: camp he was at. He went to Mississippi State, he 386 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: won the camp award there and nobody offered the kids. 387 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: So and the same thing, Oh he's too small, he's 388 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: too short, or whatever. So coaches just they find it 389 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: hard to to think outside the box and and really 390 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: take a chance, because look, at least if you fail 391 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: with the dude who with a with a six four 392 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: wide receiver who doesn't turn out to be anything, and said, 393 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: well he had all the tools, like just didn't come 394 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: on for the kid. But if you if you take 395 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 1: a five ten kid who then doesn't pan out, it's like, well, 396 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: why do you waste scholarships on guys like that who 397 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: you knew couldn't play. So it's it's a crazy line 398 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: of thinking, but I mean gets the way football has 399 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: worked forever, and that's why you see some disruptors having 400 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: a lot of success and and because they're willing to 401 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: roll the dice. I'm always curious about now recruiting because 402 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: it seems, like Woody, that that recruiting is now not 403 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: just well, that recruiting seems to be greater than the 404 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: coaching up of the players. So like coaches get jobs 405 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: now because they're great recruiters even though they may not 406 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: be as great at coaching. There put positions, so like 407 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: how much does youth Because we talked about on the 408 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: podcast the other day about how you say l as 409 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: coaches are extremely old, like comparatively to some of the 410 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: other staffs, and some of the SEC coordinators are old. Like, 411 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: how do you think that youth factors into recruiting? You know, 412 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a big deal. That's that was one 413 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: of the biggest reasons that that. I think you saw 414 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: the Oregon era and so abruptly because you had guys 415 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: who have been great coaches forever and the way things 416 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: happened changed so fast, and they couldn't adapt. They couldn't 417 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: they couldn't recruit. You know, you'll see these schools that 418 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: have these rules. It's like, oh, if they visit anywhere else, 419 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: that's it. We're not taking them. It's like, okay, we'll 420 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: enjoy not getting any good players. Then you know, it's 421 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: like it's just not the way it works anymore. Uh. 422 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: And I think the I just remember several examples. I mean, like, 423 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, Benjamin who's the running back at Arizona State, 424 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: Iowa told him forget it, you don't have a spot 425 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: because he wanted to take other visits. Imagine that dude 426 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: on you know, he's amazing in the Pact twelve obviously, 427 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Imagine if Iowa had him on their team right now. Um, 428 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: and with that, you know, allegedly points so I'll get 429 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: a job line really right. But I'm just saying, like, 430 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: why are you making a rule like that? If you're Iowa. 431 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: You know, we took a lot of flag of the time. 432 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: We made fun of them on on my podcast. But 433 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: I think the older coaches have a hard time now 434 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: what some of them do. The guys that are the 435 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: great excess and other guys, they'll put them at the 436 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: coordinator spot and then they'll make the special teams coach 437 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: or the tight ends coach. Their whole job is basically 438 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: to recruit. It's not to do a whole lot when 439 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: it comes to game plan preparation. I mean, those guys 440 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: are out recruiting, and it used to be just one 441 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: guy that would do that. You know, you've the names 442 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: if you go back and look historically, there have been 443 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: there have been plenty of them you can find who 444 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: have maybe gotten in trouble or whatever along the way. Uh. 445 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: But now that's that's what the SEC schools do. I mean, 446 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: they got a tight ends coach. You've got a special 447 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: teams coach who just is like, no matter which position, 448 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, man, this five star linebacker says 449 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: he loves the tight ends coach, and you're like, why 450 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: why are there? Because it's some thirty two year old 451 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: guy who's texting him all the time and keeping in touch. 452 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: So I think that you have to have a balance. 453 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's tough. The U c l 454 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: A situation is very odd. I think we're all kind 455 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: of confused by it. But there's no doubt that their 456 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: recruiting strategy is not successful at this point. And I 457 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: think one of the things that we don't talk about 458 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: enough is we've got to remember that, you know, when 459 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Oregon was was successful and Chip Kelly was there, he 460 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: was also dealing with some shady characters that ended up 461 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: getting him in trouble. And I don't think he has 462 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: those relationships anymore. And I think that maybe explained the 463 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: lack of players that they've been able to recruit. And 464 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I know that maybe George doesn't want to admit it, 465 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: but Oregon's got one of those guys right now, and 466 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: maybe he's doing a little bit more coaching than Williams. 467 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: He's a great coach. Man. I will not have the 468 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: slander he's oh, he's one of two coaches that have 469 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: blocked me on Twitter, and it was just for pointing 470 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: out the fact that like hey man, wherever he goes, 471 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: the recruits follow. Now, he is a great recruiter. But 472 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: I remember when he was in Nebraska. I was he 473 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: came to like the Satellite camp, and I do remember 474 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: him working with Christian Tutt, who's now one of the 475 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: guys who plays at Auburn as as a dB. And 476 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: I do remember like the kid really liked him, you know, 477 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: and viewed him as a good coach. Um. I don't know, 478 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: he didn't recruit. The thing about him is, you know 479 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: the Oregon starting corners, he didn't recruit them, and he 480 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: didn't recruit to von Holland either. No, No, I don't 481 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: think he'd recruited so his guys. I think his guys 482 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: aren't really playing yet, So I guess maybe McKinley is. 483 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: I think you want his guys, So it'll be interesting 484 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: to see what happens when it's all his players necessarily. 485 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, there are there are guys like that, you know. 486 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to start naming names and every school. 487 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: I don't know the guys I'm talking about, maybe do 488 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: even do less coaching than even Dante. So uh, you know, 489 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: just go. You gotta look at the down the line. 490 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: You look at some resumes and you're like, wait a minute, 491 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: this guy went from being a g a to being 492 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'll throw uh, I'll throw one of my 493 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: guys on a former Arizona High school coach out there. 494 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: Uh with Kenny Dillingham, Auburn's in name only offensive coordinator. 495 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, young guy, really he's I I seven years 496 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: ago he was the offensive coordinator for Charlie Regel, who 497 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: was the special team's coach at Cow. Now, so I 498 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: mean he's he's got to be in his late twenties, 499 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: maybe thirty. Al Right, Woody, how much we we we 500 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: we gotta put you on the hot seat just just 501 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: for a second. How so so being and we're talking 502 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: about this recruiting. Is there really money changing hands in 503 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: football like the same way it is in asketball. There 504 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: there's money changing hands. I try to have like really 505 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: plausible deniability when it comes to it, Like I don't 506 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: I don't you hear rumors or whatever, but I don't, 507 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: like I don't have the facts that figures I would 508 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: need if I wanted to like write a book about it. 509 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: You know, I know plenty of rumors in any window. 510 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: The money that changes hands is nowhere in New York 511 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: of figures in basketball that you see. Um, just because 512 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: this is this has kind of been discussed a lot 513 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: with the name and likeness thing. There's two. There's there's 514 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: too much of a of a bust factor. They just 515 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: can't predict how a guy is gonna be, So you 516 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: can't spend you know, a hundred thousand dollars on a 517 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: on a player not knowing what he's going to turn into. Now, 518 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 1: if it's somebody like Trevor Lawrence or whoever you know 519 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: that right, Adrian Peterson, Uh, Jadeveon Clowney or whoever, I 520 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: could see it. But from from what I gather, I mean, 521 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: hitting six figures is extremely rare. And like I said, 522 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of guys I think it's 523 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: just like hey, I'm gonna have help your family get 524 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: a job or move to town or something like that. 525 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: That that uh isn't what ends up happening. So it 526 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: feels like it would be a lot. It feels like 527 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: it'd be a lot harder to hide money nowadays. Two, 528 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: because people just can't stop themselves from posting things on 529 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: Instagram or Snapchat or or whatever else that you know. Ay, 530 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm driving a like Chrysler three 531 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: and I had a beater yesterday like that that kind 532 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: of stuff. It just seems like that maybe helps stem 533 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: some of the underground activities. Yeah. Well, there's those you know, 534 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: those prepaid UH cards you can buy at the grocery store. 535 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: I think that's how a lot of the exchange of 536 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: currency goes down. And maybe, like uh, I heard someone 537 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: say casino chips as a way, but I don't know 538 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: about I don't know. Oh wow, that will well, okay, 539 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: So so being a poker play is like Bellaggio chips 540 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: are good anywhere in the world. So that now, now 541 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: now that I do know, like I've turned in a 542 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: hundred dollar but Belaggio chip at the commerce casino here 543 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, So it's like they are good anywhere 544 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: on on Earth. I don't know, it's the security or whatever. 545 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: It is good everywhere. It's like an amex by all right, 546 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: So that would make sense. I mean, but like I said, 547 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know what happens. I mean, 548 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: I hear rumors I hear things. I mean, I'm a 549 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: smun guy. If I used to do you know, some 550 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: investigative stuff back in my younger days, I could. I 551 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: could get to the bottom of things real quick if 552 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: it were my job to do so. It is better 553 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: to not know. It is better than not not know what. 554 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: But um but but I want to get back to 555 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve four a second. So, Kick, can you 556 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: tell us what schools like it? Like? If you could 557 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: kind of rank the the pack twelve schools in terms 558 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: of the recruiting and the bug is nationally or in 559 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: the pactwell footprint or the ability to get five star guys, 560 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: you can give us kind of the tears or something 561 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: with that. Well, obviously, you know Oregon has been recruiting 562 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: at an elite level, especially considering their history. You know 563 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: at Eastern are recruiting rankings. Um so I would put 564 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: them at the top right now. I do think Washington 565 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: is a close second, just because the Seattle seems to 566 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: be like on the rise in terms of having top 567 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: end talent. I don't think the depth is there are 568 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: some other cities, but it's like you don't you don't 569 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 1: need the depth. If they get four decent players out 570 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: of there every year. You know, that's that's fine for them. 571 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: And then I've noticed their ability to pull players. I 572 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: saw a lot of buzz around uh uh Nkua's game 573 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: this past week against Arizona. I know he played a 574 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: lot and made some crazy plays, so he's a a guy. 575 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: It's a perfect example that was one of those late 576 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: guys last year that they were able to beat out 577 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, Utah and Oregon and a couple of other 578 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: schools for and then you know, this is this is 579 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: with USC as an asterisk right now because they're coaching 580 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: instability is killing them and recruiting. If they hire a 581 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: big name, they'll immediately be you know, bright back at 582 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: the top of the list. But I also think Stanford. 583 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, I was watching uh the Stanford game against Washington, 584 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: and the announcers were trying to make it seem like 585 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: Stanford has got a bunch of walk ons. When Davis 586 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: Mills is a five star it was like the number 587 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: three player in the country. They're like, they're doing this 588 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: with a backup quarterback against all these highly touted Washington players. 589 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you know, Stanford has to five 590 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: star tackles and a five star quarterback, you know what 591 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, let's not make it seem like this 592 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: is this isn't two thousand and six Stanford. So I 593 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: would put them in the top in the top four, 594 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: just because when Stanford comes calling, like it's really hard 595 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: for the kids to pass up. They do not. They 596 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: don't view Stanford like you know, Vanderbilt a duke or something. 597 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: When when a kid from Texas especially gets an offer 598 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: from Stanford, it's like, I gotta to make sure I 599 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: take a visit. And they're probably going to be in 600 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: the mix until the end, so and then after that 601 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: you can parse the rest of them out how you want. 602 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: I know Arizona State's winning. I do think herm has 603 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: has more of appeal as a recruiter than we thought. 604 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: I know they have a commit from Florida right now 605 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are are really liking, and 606 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 1: I think, uh, they're gonna be battling for him by 607 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: the time it's all over. But after that, it's it's 608 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: really tough to separate. It's right to have to separate 609 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: the rest of me. Washington State just doesn't recruit like that. Um, 610 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, cal does a nice job of developing guys Arizona. 611 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: I think could be could be that, but I don't know, 612 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't sense that they have like 613 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: a truly high ceiling of where they're gonna be signing, 614 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, ten fifteen four stars a year. So let's 615 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: stick on Arizona for a second, because this podcast is basically, 616 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: if it's anything, it's a little tape debate podcast. That's 617 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: that's that's our like Skip Bayless, stephen A Smith, Lebron 618 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: like that, it's just us. He's a running back, little 619 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: tape and he doesn't even run, so anyway, exactly, the 620 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: un doesn't win. So just Kevin Someway, You've you spent 621 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: a lot of time watching his career develop. He in 622 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he inherited his quarterback at Houston, so I 623 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: don't want to give him too much credit for recruiting, 624 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: but I will say he won a lot, right, But 625 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: then he goes to Texas, A and M and it's 626 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: like that, it's almost like he can't keep halfway decent 627 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: relationship with any of these superstars that he brings into 628 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: the mix. And then he shows up on University of 629 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: Arizona's campus the first thing he does is called Khalil 630 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: Tate Khalil Mack in an interview, and then all he's 631 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: done since is anytime anybody asked him about Khalil Tate 632 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: is deflect. It happened before the game last night. They said, 633 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 1: you finally have a healthy Cliltate. How do you think 634 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: he's going to do tonight? And he said J J. 635 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: Taylor is healthy too, Like he is very very obvious 636 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: that this man does not like Khalil Tate. But he 637 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: hadn't really gotten along with any of his quarterbacks in years. 638 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: Do you do you think it's possible for Kevin someone 639 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: to capitalize on some of the great recruits he brings 640 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: in by like his own personality just not getting in 641 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: the way. Well what is his You know, I don't 642 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: understand what his fixation is with nol Mazzony, I mean, 643 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: and I think that may be part of it, because 644 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: when Kevin someone was having success with like quarterbacks like 645 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, Johnny Manzel, those are those are those are 646 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: kind of guys like Khalil Tate. But Nolan Mazzoni likes 647 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: dudes like Josh Rosen and Grant Knell, you know, and 648 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: Nick Stark, Nolma Zony cost him to Martel. So it's 649 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: not just like Kenny Trill and and and uh and 650 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Kyle Allen who's five and oh in 651 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: the NFL now by the way, Like it's not just 652 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: those guys that, but it's a man. I just I 653 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around what it is someone's doing. 654 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: But he's got a six ft six dude. Norma Zone 655 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: just wants another brock Off Swiler, that's what he wants. 656 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: And so he's got his six ft six dude, and 657 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: I they they're gonna bench him, They're gonna bench Khalil 658 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: Tay and they're gonna move forward in the future with 659 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: a with a giant back there at quarterback throwing sixty 660 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: times a game. I just don't know if you can 661 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: win like that. I was surprised how good Canell looked 662 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: in that game. He but was it the U c 663 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: l A game? He started, Yes, yeah, yeah, but U 664 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: c l A's defensive switch we're giving yes, they should have. 665 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: They're giving up forty points a game too. Who said, hey, George, 666 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: who's their defensive coordinator? Uh? Jerry as a narrow Jerry 667 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: I privilege. It's I can't talk bad about Don because 668 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: I love DP, but but I mean, the team's not 669 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: playing wellow deeferen, right, I mean this was the issue 670 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: they had, you know that. You know this was the 671 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: issue Mark Helford, Chad it was sticking with with Don 672 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: Poem for for too long, and the Oregon's linebackers were terrible. 673 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think, like you we talked about earlier. 674 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to go from from Arizona 675 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: to u C l A. I just wonder why these coaches. 676 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: I understand they have friendships, but I mean look at 677 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: Mark D'Antonio. Instead of firing coaches, he shuffled the whole 678 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: staff around. I mean that was insane. And how it's 679 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: still can't score right, it's not working, so the coaches 680 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: And this is honestly one of the things I felt 681 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: like did Butch Jones in at Tennessee was his refusal 682 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: to hire like an offensive coordinator that was kind of 683 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: viewed as like a threat to him. So instead of 684 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: hiring like a like a young hot show out or whatever, 685 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: he hired um Frank not Frank de Board, Mike Debord, 686 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: who was like this old guy who was retired. You know, 687 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing? Why are you 688 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: hiring this guy? And it was like, oh, well, I 689 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: know he's not a threat. So some of these, some 690 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: of these coaches, you know, when the pactwels having success, 691 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: it's it's because they're you know, thinking outside the box 692 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. And I think that was one of 693 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: the things that we're seeing the teams with success or 694 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: have success this year do. I mean, you know, Oregon 695 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: went out and hired you know, a young defensive coordinator 696 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: from from Boise State who has completely changed the culture there. 697 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: Even USC, you know, they reached, they went outside the 698 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: box and brought in an air raid guy, which is 699 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: totally you know, crazy considering USC's history of just being 700 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: like a straight pro style team. So sometimes those gambles 701 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: work out, sometimes they don't, But I think that's better 702 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: than being like, like Ralph said, I mean, you know, 703 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: nol Mazzoni has been working for brock Ossweiler. He's been 704 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: at four different schools, so you know that. I mean, 705 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: everybody knows that the best way to get young, hungry 706 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: coaches on your staff is just to be so miserable 707 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: to the coaches that you have in place that they're 708 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: looking for a promotion, and then anybody who would be 709 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: crazy enough to work for you is so young and 710 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: so hungry that they are willing to take the abuse. 711 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: That's the Todd Grand model, and I think it's the 712 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: model everyone should use, the Todd Grand model. Yeah, these 713 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: coaches that the uh Mike Stoop's model too as well. 714 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: Um and maybe the gym Levitt model back in the day. 715 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, these coaches who like to scream out, those 716 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: days are over. I'm sorry. These kids can't handle it. 717 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: George can can say he's got a teenage son. I mean, 718 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: they just they aren't built like that to be to be, 719 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: you know, NonStop screamed at like the dude on Last 720 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: Chance You and in those days are just they're just gone. 721 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: There's just no other way to put it. Yeah, all right, 722 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: so now we can get into our packed weelve power rankings. 723 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: Witty you you are an East Coast guy. You are 724 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: the you. You are Mr Rivals Southeast recruiting analysts for 725 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: Rivals and Yahoo's Sports. It's got a podcast there as 726 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: well as you guys check them out at Rivals Woody 727 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and you know, he always has some very 728 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: classy things to say. So so so from from Afar? 729 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 1: What are your pack twelve power records? We and and 730 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: how we usually do it. We usually give our uh 731 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: twelve through seven and and then we'll go around twelve 732 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: through seven and then we go six through one. So 733 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: you're you are our guests. We will let you go 734 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: first and probably be be wrong, but it's okay, all right, 735 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: I have U c l A last, no offense to 736 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: the Bruins that I have Oregon State at eleven, Colorado 737 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: atten of Washington State at nine, Arizona at eight, and 738 00:38:53,120 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: cow at seven? All right, where are you at? Ralph? Uh? 739 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: What he stole my thunder today? He's we We've got 740 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: pretty much the exact same order, only like I was 741 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: trying as hard as I could to make a thirteen 742 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: slot to stick U c l A in and just 743 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: we blank for now because I hate to Ralph, I 744 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: hate to. Right, Your wife doesn't listen to this podcast? 745 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: Does she? Uh? Sometimes sometimes she does, and she wants 746 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: to throw things at you, but she wants to throw 747 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: things that you see a more so it's fine. Um 748 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: So what what he Ralph said that U c l 749 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: A would win, would only win one several months twelve 750 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: Media Day, Yes, that they would go one in eleven. 751 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: I called him crazy, I called him every name in 752 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: the book, and now I am just I am. I'm 753 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: hoping that the that the year finishes like the like 754 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: last year finishes for them. No way, at least I 755 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: can scrape up some like I can at least get 756 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of pride out of this. But I 757 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: thought about taking it over like five point five before 758 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: the year or so. I'm right there with you, Yeah, dude, 759 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 1: But they're technically they are still mathematically alive in the 760 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: PAC twelfth South Oh So I got u c L 761 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 1: at twelve, at Oregon State at eleven. I have Arizona 762 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: at ten, Colorado at nine, I have Cow at eight 763 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: and Stanford at seven. And the and the reason why 764 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: I have Cow so low even though their defense is 765 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: amazing and they have one of the best defenses in 766 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: the country, one of the most well well coached defenses 767 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: in the country, the problem is without Chase Garbers at 768 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: quarterback and with and with Monster in this team can't score. 769 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: They already were having church trouble scoring, but now they 770 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: cannot score. So it you if you can't score, you 771 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: can't be in the top and top anything. You know 772 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: when I was in high school or when actually when 773 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: I was in middle school. Justin Wilcox was in high school, 774 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: like a rival high school in Oregon, but he was 775 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: an amazing quarterback, so like and he went to Oregon 776 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: as a quarterback. You you hear them say a lot 777 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: of times on the broadcast, Oh he was a safety 778 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: in Oregon. He came in and was supposed to be 779 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: like the next dude at quarterback, and then he got 780 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: beat out and got moved to defense. But what's the 781 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: deal with that? Why can't they Garbers isn't that good either, 782 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not like he's Joe name. 783 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: He had just the corner. I would I would say 784 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: that if you look at Garber stats and Joe Namath stats, 785 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: they're actually pretty similar. I I know, poor Joe just 786 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: gets killed. I saw during the during the broadcast yesterday 787 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: that too already has more touchdowns this season than he 788 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: had his entire career. UM. So so yeah, maybe that's 789 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: a bad example, but I do think how long is 790 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: he out for? What did he do to break his 791 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: collar bone? Or yeah, yeah it was his collar bone. Um, 792 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: And they don't have they don't have any other quarterbacks 793 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: that they've recruited. I'm trying to remember who's freshman. They 794 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: have got sp Spencer Brash. He's he's a dual threat, 795 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: but he's pretty skinny. And so I mean, if they 796 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: want to join Arizona State in starting a broomstick freshman, 797 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: they can do that. But I mean that's it's dangerous 798 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: to throw a kid out there who's you know, sub 799 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: one seventy. Yeah, but one of these guys is not 800 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: like the other though. Yeah, if we can tell I 801 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it. The Arizona State's quarterback is amazing. 802 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 1: If he were if he were anywhere else, it would 803 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: be NonStop drooling over him because I mean he's got 804 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: like and I say this all the time. I went 805 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: to the other night and watched t Martin Sun play. 806 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: He's a quarterback in the class of two. He's got 807 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: like the it factor the best quarterbacks. But you know 808 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: the guys I've seen in my life that I've actually 809 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,720 Speaker 1: been right about, you know, Trevor Lawrence, you know justin Fields, 810 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, they have like just like an an unquantifiable quality. 811 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,439 Speaker 1: And Jaden Daniels has that to me. When I watched 812 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: them play. I mean, I know he's had a few 813 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: games where he doesn't looked like it, but I mean 814 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: watching him play yesterday, and I know Watchington says defense 815 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: is you know, not great either, But the kid is 816 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: like unshakable, and he's like that as a freshman. I mean, 817 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that you know, I think 818 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: he's definitely an NFL quarterback, and I think he's going 819 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: to be, you know, having them, especially you know, given 820 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: usc situation. I think as long as he's there, they're 821 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: gonna be able to build around him for the next 822 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: two or three years. I mean, he's got one interception 823 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: in a hundred and seventy six pass attempts. And the 824 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: other thing about it that George and I talked about 825 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: all the time, he has no upboard down Like I 826 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: would pay of my income for the rest of my 827 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: life just to be as unflappable as him. And I've 828 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: listened to enough of your podcast, would either. You know, 829 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: maybe you enjoy a minute a dude who cuts you 830 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: off in traffic, but I always end up feeling like 831 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: garbage afterwards. But like, I mean, he's just like he's 832 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: just he never expresses any highs or any lows. He's 833 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: just himself regardless of the situation, and I think that's 834 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: that unquantifiable thing, is that he's just unshakable. Yeah, And 835 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: like I said, anyone else you want to say, is 836 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: like Deshaun Watson was always like that. I mean, he 837 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: played on a team basically with no D one players 838 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: around him, and I still I often make reference to 839 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: it on Twitter. Is Uh. There was somebody who worked 840 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: for us at the time he was covering Georgia. He 841 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 1: doesn't work here anymore, and he told me that Deshaun 842 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: Watson was a nood alarm. What yeah, I have. If 843 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: you ever see any tweet like not bad for a 844 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: neod alarm or something like that, it's always a set 845 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: tweet at that. Dude. Who Yeah, that's that's ridiculous. The 846 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: kids gotta gotta hose so, buddy, who is your six 847 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: to one? That's where it gets a little interesting. I 848 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: have Stanford at six And by the way, you know, uh, 849 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: Costello needs to hit the old transfer portal because Stanford 850 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: is way better with David Mills playing. I'm sorry, I mean, 851 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: do you guys agree with me on that? I agree. 852 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: I was higher on kJ coming into the season, but 853 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: he just hasn't played played well, and the guys behind 854 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: him have played better, made even the third string quarterback. 855 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean so so so Yeah, Davis Mills who's played 856 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: played better and other kids played better too. I don't. 857 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: I just don't see. I just don't. I thought Costello 858 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: was going to be a dude who might play his 859 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: way into being like a first rounder coming into the year, 860 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: and now it's like, like I said, he's gonna be 861 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: doing the killer Chris route of hitting the portal if 862 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 1: he doesn't decided to go to the NFL. Because it's 863 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: just I just don't see. I know David Mills gets 864 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: hurt every single game he plays, but like, I don't know. 865 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: So I have I have Stanford six. Then I have 866 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: USC because I still think USC is good despite their 867 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: record and everything, you know, the bad losses that the 868 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: b YU loss is what really killed their season. Um. 869 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: And then I have Washington fourth, and I still think 870 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna give Oregon a good game. And I think 871 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: depending on you know, if if if Oregon decides to 872 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: act like Andy Ludwig is calling the place, I think 873 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: they could lose that game. And speaking of Andy Lugwood, 874 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: I have Utah third. I have Arizona State second, and 875 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: I have Oregon first. So yeah, that's oh, give us 876 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: some love to the pitch for Look. Look, I mean 877 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: it's hard to argue with him. They you know, they're 878 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: they're ranked in the top fifteen, they're winning games. You know, 879 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: I still think they'll probably lose one or two more 880 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: of the rest of the way because that's just how 881 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna go with the freshman quarterback. But I don't know, man, 882 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: I think they could easily. You know, you tak It's 883 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: not like Tyler Huntley, who's Who's a dude that I've 884 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: known since he was probably like fourteen or fifteen. You know, 885 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: he's still consistent as a senior. And if Zack Moss 886 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 1: gets hurt, Utah is just not the same. So you're 887 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: you're you're bringing it up right now. So I know 888 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: that we wanted to talk about this with you. How 889 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: about Larry Scott, how about this Pack twelve network putting 890 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: putting Arizona State and Utah next Saturday on the PAC 891 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: twelve network for a three pm kick off. Well, you know, 892 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,720 Speaker 1: this is the first year I've had the Pack twelve 893 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: network in HD, so I'm pretty pretty stoked about that, because, 894 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: oh my god, he was about this standard. It used 895 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: to be in Standard Deaf. And the only way I 896 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: can get is in HD is if I watched it 897 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: on my computer. So at least now I have it 898 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: in HD. But I hold on, does this happen to 899 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: anybody else? Like you're watching Stanford play someone and like 900 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: Stanford's in Standard Definition and the other team is in 901 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: high Deaf? Is that just my TV? That that hasn't 902 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 1: happened to me? But you know, the A c C 903 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: network is going through somewhat of a similar struggle. I 904 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: still don't. I can't. I have Comcast, which is the 905 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: biggest provider down here in the South, and I don't 906 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,959 Speaker 1: have it, and I have to bootleg the games every week. 907 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: So um, but yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, I don't 908 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: know how far out they picked the games, and and 909 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time I was complaining about the Big 910 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: twelve has been doing this putting games on ESPN Plus. 911 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: And and Rob who works for us with My Coast 912 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: on our podcast, his argument was, well, they're trying to 913 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: get people to buy the thing. It's like, well that 914 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: no one's getting the Pack twelve network at this point, 915 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 1: we're ten years in now it's been a total complete failure. 916 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: So you know, so, like I was even mad that 917 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: the Arizona Washington game kicked off at eleven Eastern. I 918 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: could see ten or ten thirty. Why did that game 919 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: start so late? Like what doesn't it would be if, 920 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: if anything, it wasn't it was in Arizona, it should 921 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 1: have been at ten, not eleven. Like I, I don't, 922 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: I don't understand why games are kicking off that late. Uh, 923 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: it's bad for the conference. It's just is I'm telling you, 924 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: I love college football and I can't stay up to 925 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: watch that game. Let me let me tell you how 926 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: the game ended up on PAC twelve network. It was 927 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: decided last week. Last week they knew that it was 928 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: probably gonna be a top fifteen game, and here was 929 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: the problem. So ESPN got first pick of games and 930 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: they chose Oregon Washington, which which which makes sense, right, 931 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: it's their their marquee teams, all of that, right. So 932 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: and then the PAC twelve network got second pick and 933 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: they picked the and they picked this Arizona State Utah 934 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: game instead of and mind you, the PAC twelve network 935 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: footprint is only like seventeen million households versus which the 936 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: game could have been on ESPN two. It didn't even 937 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: have to be a PAC twelve After Dark game. It 938 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: could have been an ESPN two game, which has an 939 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: eighty million people footprint. And it makes no sense like 940 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: you're trying to give the conference visibility recruiting that. Like, 941 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: I I hate this. I hated this even more than 942 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: I hate playing games on Fridays. Yeah, playing games on 943 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,919 Speaker 1: Fridays is a whole, another whole another rant of mine 944 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: that that I'm I'm with you on that one. But yeah, 945 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: this is dumb. No one's gonna see it. I mean, 946 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: the bottom line, we're just talking about Jayden Daniels and 947 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,760 Speaker 1: and and everything like that. Nobody even knows he exists. 948 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: I guarantee if you went and asked, even like knowledgeable 949 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,359 Speaker 1: sports writers, hey, who's the starting quarterback players on the state, 950 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: like beat writers of SEC teams, would not know the 951 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: answer to that question. And that's because they probably never 952 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,439 Speaker 1: seen him play. I mean really, it's And like I said, 953 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: if you were anywhere else, a true freshman quarterback putting 954 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,320 Speaker 1: up those numbers for a top fifteen team would be 955 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: a huge story. But it's just it's just not there's 956 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: just imagine imagine if you trade Yeah, do you know 957 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 1: how much I hear about stupid? Iowa State constantly listen 958 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: to a national podcast and they will talk about Iowa 959 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 1: State like like they're you know, Auburn or something. I 960 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: watch out for Iowa State. It's like they're three and two. 961 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: I mean, what do we you know? It's the Solid Verbal, 962 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: which is a show I love to listen to. They're like, 963 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: it's bro October. It's like Iowa State as an average team, Like, 964 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: why are we dedicating for a quarterback on an average team? 965 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: Why are we constantly talking about him? If you look, 966 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,240 Speaker 1: go look at the top twenty five, what other schools 967 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: are starting a true freshman quarterback ahead of Arizona State. 968 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it's there's there, Nope, Nope, 969 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: there's there's no one. However, if you traded Jaden Daniels 970 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: for this dude, this team would be a top two 971 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: team probably right now. And that is bo Nix. If 972 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,280 Speaker 1: you traded bo Nix, who's been playing terrible at Auburn 973 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: aside from one drive against Oregon and the Mississippi State game, 974 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: aside from that, he's been horrendous. If you traded Jaden 975 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,120 Speaker 1: Daniels for bow Knicks right right now, Auburn would win 976 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,840 Speaker 1: the SEC right exactly, especially especially in gust smells on 977 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: offense there. And I love bow you know, he's one 978 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,439 Speaker 1: of my guys that I beat the drum on pretty 979 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: heavily when when he was a recruit. But he's still 980 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 1: learning his way. And like you said, I mean, so yeah, 981 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: I guess you got Bow next, and you got back 982 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 1: Meyer and then Daniels in terms of guys with these 983 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: top seventeen schools or whatever. Um, but he, yeah, he's 984 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,720 Speaker 1: definitely better than than than probably both of those guys. 985 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 1: But nobody knows. I guarantee you back Meyer has more 986 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: like as a higher like Q rating than Jaden Daniels 987 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: because they played against Florida State, because they played on 988 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,800 Speaker 1: national TV versus Florida State. Um, okay, do uh do uh? Woody? 989 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: Do you have time to go through the game's real 990 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 1: real quick? I don't want to go through. Yeah, I 991 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 1: can probably go like five ten more minutes. I forgot time. Okay, 992 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 1: So now let's hit the games in the back. Twelve 993 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,399 Speaker 1: from this from this week, the the the big game, Well, 994 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: one of the big games was on Friday Friday Night. 995 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: You had Oregon versus College Colorado. And I've been beating 996 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: the drum all year that Oregon has to figure out 997 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: how to run the football and to make sure that 998 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 1: they are killing teams, like you can't just like win games. 999 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: They have to dominate teams if they want to find 1000 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: a way to play themselves back into the college football playoff. 1001 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,400 Speaker 1: And they were absolutely outstanding. Would you what what was 1002 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: your take on that game? Would he Well, yeah, they're 1003 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: they're they're amazing. And I tell you what, I was 1004 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: very happy to not see uh Travis de come into 1005 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: the game until it was like a forty point game 1006 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm I just Oregon's insistence on giving him 1007 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: the ball like in key situations. I just don't understand. 1008 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I try not to be too 1009 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: harsh about it, but I mean, as I'm watching the games, 1010 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: there are a few players that I'm like, you know, 1011 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: Tommy Stevens at Mississippi State is one of them. Watching 1012 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: him He's not a quarterback, and watching I just don't 1013 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 1: think Travis dies like an elite you know, power five 1014 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: running back. He's a. He's a depth guy at best. 1015 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: So I like that. The problem is, uh, they're running 1016 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: backs don't break tackle. I mean Vidale if you if 1017 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,439 Speaker 1: you touch him, he's going down right, And so that's 1018 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: one of the issues. And you know, I know a 1019 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: few of the offensive linemen there at Oregon and I 1020 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: talked to them off the record, and I think they 1021 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: want to see that too. I just I think that's 1022 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: the one thing. Like I have no problem with Oregon 1023 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: committing to being a power running team. And I know 1024 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: some of the games were super boring and the fans 1025 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,359 Speaker 1: were mad and stuff like that, and I I sort 1026 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: of agree with them, because you can't be a power 1027 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: running team if you don't have a back. The bats 1028 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: have to make guys miss because getting three or four 1029 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 1: yards every time it's not gonna cut it. So I 1030 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,440 Speaker 1: like that the way they've mixed in some of the 1031 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 1: other guys. I'd like to see Sean Dollars play some more. 1032 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,080 Speaker 1: But Felix. I like Darry and Felix too. He's he's 1033 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 1: the guy who will put his foot foot in the 1034 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,880 Speaker 1: ground and get up field right. So I liked what 1035 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: I was really impressed with them. The line was like 1036 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,359 Speaker 1: so fishy. They were favored and kept going up and up, 1037 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, man, they haven't scored twenty one 1038 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 1: points at all. Let Alonge beat someone by by that much, uh, 1039 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: you know in terms of power five teams. But they 1040 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: rolled and and Pittman is awesome. I mean, that guy 1041 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: is That guy is a talent. That whole family. I 1042 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,160 Speaker 1: mean that the two Pittman brothers are gonna be playing 1043 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL for five or ten years. Uh. So 1044 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 1: I was really impressed with him. You know, Jowan Johnson 1045 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: finally played and had a ball right off of him, 1046 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,719 Speaker 1: and I had laughed pretty hard at that because a 1047 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,359 Speaker 1: lot of the Penn State fans, uh you know when 1048 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 1: he transferred for like enjoy, you know, him being super 1049 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 1: inconsistent catching the ball. But he's a physical specimen. So 1050 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 1: I think Oregon is actually at more full strength now 1051 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: than they were when the season started. So they're they're 1052 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: kind of hitting their strength at the right time. In Colorado, 1053 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, what's going on with them. 1054 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: Melt Tucker is supposed to be a defensive guy. He 1055 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: needs time to get some more bodies in there. But 1056 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: that they don't look like they're going in the right note. 1057 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: Their defense was bad, dude, like like the like, they 1058 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: don't have a ton of depth in there, and they 1059 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 1: were just I mean, Steve Stephen mot Montez got shut down. 1060 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 1: It was just and their defense couldn't stop them. I mean, 1061 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 1: they couldn't stop the run, couldn't stop the pass. It 1062 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,360 Speaker 1: was like watching U c L a play on defense. 1063 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 1: What was your take? How long do you think it's 1064 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,720 Speaker 1: going to take Mel Tucker to get this turned around? 1065 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: And do you think he can recruit at a good 1066 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,239 Speaker 1: level like Colorado? I actually think he can, and he's 1067 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 1: got a lot of connections down here. The thing about 1068 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: Mel was like he was never like he never really 1069 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 1: loved recruiting. You know, he was an NFL guy. So 1070 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,520 Speaker 1: I wonder, like, you know, how much did he learn 1071 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,759 Speaker 1: from Saban and Kirby about you know, closing the deal 1072 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: and how important that the head coaches to to be 1073 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: an involved the recruiting process. I do like their strategy 1074 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: right now. They're coming down here, uh and recruiting a 1075 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,359 Speaker 1: lot of guys. I was going to take a look 1076 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 1: at their class and see exactly how many they have 1077 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,320 Speaker 1: from from out east. But he's he's well one of 1078 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,239 Speaker 1: his One of his first real test is going to 1079 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,320 Speaker 1: be this week Brendan Rice decides between Arizona State and 1080 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: Colorado this week. I believe, yeah, and I don't have 1081 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: You probably know better than me about which way he's leaning, 1082 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,520 Speaker 1: but it depends on the day. He goes back and forth. 1083 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,880 Speaker 1: If you go, look, I mean they're hitting the Jucos, 1084 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 1: they're hitting. They've got some guys from Georgia. They've got 1085 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: some guys from Louisiana. So I kind of like that approach. Um, 1086 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: I think they do need to get some Juco guys 1087 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,760 Speaker 1: in there that I know they're they're recruiting Texas hard. 1088 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: And if you look at some of their best players 1089 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: on their team, now you know Channault and Katie Nixon, 1090 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,960 Speaker 1: that was the past staff hitting Texas. So I like 1091 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,520 Speaker 1: the I like their strategy. I do think he's gonna 1092 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 1: be able to turn it around. It's just gonna be 1093 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 1: with guys that maybe like like Jake Ray. They have 1094 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: committed from from Marietta, Georgia. Okay, this was a guy 1095 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: uh who was from Tennessee. Originally his brother went to 1096 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: Ohio State or his on O House that he was 1097 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: committed there and he kind of like lost momentum. Some 1098 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: of these guys get a ton of offers when they're young, 1099 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: and then they kind of fall off the map, and 1100 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,919 Speaker 1: he was kind of one of those guys. But still 1101 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about six pounds, and like we talked about, 1102 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: those guys, are are not a dime a dozen out there? 1103 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,680 Speaker 1: So you take a chance and say, look, a lot 1104 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: of these schools saw something in him to offer him early. 1105 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: We like what we see and maybe we can do it. 1106 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 1: So I think mel is a good coach and that 1107 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: the one thing is you know, how dedicated is he 1108 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna be recruiting? But I think he can do a 1109 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,680 Speaker 1: good job there, and I think they get back to winning, 1110 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, seven eight games? Are they gonna win national championships? 1111 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: Like maybe their fans somehow expected, No, I don't see 1112 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 1: that happening. Before you get out of here today, what 1113 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,480 Speaker 1: do he I want to so I want to go 1114 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: over USC just for a second, because in terms of 1115 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 1: the recruiting and in terms of the coaching, because obviously 1116 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: there's so much you know, like him Haran about who's 1117 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,200 Speaker 1: going to be the coach. Is gonna be play Helton, 1118 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,520 Speaker 1: Is it going to be Urban Meyer? Do you think 1119 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,800 Speaker 1: that urban Meyer would actually want the job? And I 1120 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: think that people are actually discounting the other school at USC. 1121 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry in l A. Like, couldn't he walk across 1122 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: the street to go to U C. L A too? Yeah, 1123 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: I think he would. I think he's more of a 1124 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: USC guy. Honestly, Urban could go wherever he wants. And he, 1125 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean talk about being involved in recruiting. He's a 1126 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: dude who knows that that's the lifeblood. Um, I could 1127 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,760 Speaker 1: see him. I could see him going to USC, and 1128 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: I've kind of you know, I've been along with the 1129 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 1: people hinting at it for a while. They would have 1130 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: to have the right infrastructure in terms of D A 1131 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,640 Speaker 1: D and I mean I know that higher is going 1132 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,000 Speaker 1: to be huge and that they would have to like 1133 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,800 Speaker 1: make a serious commitment to upgrading some stuff there, you know, 1134 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 1: facility wise and probably budget wise when it comes to 1135 00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: hiring coaches. But if they have the money, like see 1136 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,560 Speaker 1: it happening. Um, now it all comes down to deserve 1137 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 1: and want to coach and what about his health and 1138 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: all that stuff. But I mean urban Meyer at USC 1139 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,920 Speaker 1: would be a scary site for the PAC twelve. And 1140 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: I think probably the rest of the country because kids 1141 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,760 Speaker 1: love him. I don't know what it is about him, 1142 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Pie piper Man play for him right exactly. I mean 1143 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 1: I've seen him. I've been places with with kids at 1144 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 1: like registration or whatever, with underclassmen. We're talking freshman at sophomores, 1145 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: and they will face time them from their phone and 1146 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,120 Speaker 1: he'll answer and be right there on face timing with 1147 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,600 Speaker 1: the kids, you know, years and so I see he 1148 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,840 Speaker 1: recognizes the strength and the power Dand so we're gonna 1149 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: ask you about a couple of kids out of the 1150 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: out of the pack twelve footprint so and not assuming 1151 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,919 Speaker 1: that well, actually we'll do where where the kid goes 1152 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,000 Speaker 1: and then maybe if Urban if Urban Meyer takes the 1153 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: if if they fire Clay Hilton, then they give it 1154 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,040 Speaker 1: to Urban Urban Meyer. So they're two guys in particular 1155 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 1: who were very high, highly rated that I wanted to 1156 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,400 Speaker 1: ask you about first, which is justin Flow and the 1157 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,880 Speaker 1: amazing outside the inside Livebacker from Upperland who's just ridiculous 1158 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: and uh Keiley Ringo, the cornerback out of Arizona. Where 1159 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: do you think that they are going? So I think 1160 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 1: the buzz has been that Flow is going to Clemson 1161 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,760 Speaker 1: but he hasn't committed yet, at least publicly, and I 1162 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 1: think the longer it goes that probably the better is 1163 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,400 Speaker 1: for their other schools involved. But if he commits, I 1164 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: think even if urban Meyer gets hired, I don't think 1165 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: he's changing his mind for some reason. Kids that commit 1166 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,240 Speaker 1: to Clemson don't decommit. I mean, go look at their 1167 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,480 Speaker 1: track record over the last four or five years. I 1168 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,440 Speaker 1: think they've had like maybe a handful of the commitments 1169 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of them, and I think they were 1170 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,240 Speaker 1: all kids that were kind of like told to go elsewhere. Um. 1171 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: So if he commits, I think it's done now. Ringo, 1172 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I mean, he his mom is 1173 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,320 Speaker 1: a flight attendant, so that's allowed him to take a 1174 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 1: lot of unofficial visits that some kids from the West 1175 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,080 Speaker 1: Coast don't end up making. Um, you know, you'll see him. 1176 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: He's he popped up but out here several times. The 1177 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: buzz has always been about Georgia. But I do wonder, 1178 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, talk about a good weekend for Oregon to 1179 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: have him visit. Um. I think probably the conventional wisdom 1180 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: is that Thomas Graham and Lenore, if they keep playing 1181 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,480 Speaker 1: like they are, we'll both probably go and test try 1182 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: to go into the draft. Now. I don't know how 1183 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: high they'll go or anything like that, but I think 1184 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: he's a guy that they could say, look, you could 1185 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,960 Speaker 1: step in right away and we're gonna be You're gonna 1186 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,840 Speaker 1: be on the top ten defense. And that's something that 1187 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 1: organ has they've been able to pitch before. Now Georgia 1188 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,920 Speaker 1: can offer a similar thing. I think they're gonna have 1189 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,240 Speaker 1: some guys leave early, and clearly they need help at dB. 1190 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, their best corner right now is a converted 1191 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:54,000 Speaker 1: running back. So he's had that relationship with Georgia for 1192 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,560 Speaker 1: a while. But I'm I'm starting to wonder and maybe 1193 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 1: just maybe just me coming off of the Georgia loss 1194 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,040 Speaker 1: and feeling you know, less high on them as I was. 1195 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, there are not a 1196 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,600 Speaker 1: lot of players who come from you know, Arizona or 1197 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: wherever and end up at Georgia. And when it comes 1198 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,960 Speaker 1: time to do it, and this is what I tell 1199 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Oregon fans about when they got when they have commits 1200 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,720 Speaker 1: a Florida, when it comes down to get on the 1201 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 1: plane for good and really go and move that far, 1202 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, I could change your mind and Atlanta is 1203 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,880 Speaker 1: one thing, Athens is another. It's not the same thing. Um, 1204 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,440 Speaker 1: it's about an hour away, so we'll see when it 1205 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 1: comes down to it. But I would still give the 1206 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 1: edge to Georgia. I'll be curious to see what the 1207 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,760 Speaker 1: buzz is coming off of that visit this weekend. How 1208 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:43,440 Speaker 1: about Noah Sula, Sul's brother, who is clearly if he 1209 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 1: could come out in the draft right now, Oregon's left tackle, 1210 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: he would be a top ten pick right now. He's 1211 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,640 Speaker 1: just a sophomore. Though. I know I made the mistake 1212 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,480 Speaker 1: of tweeting that he would be a first rounder, and 1213 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 1: then I got a bunch of Oregon fans being like 1214 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,960 Speaker 1: he would be number one overall. It's like, all right, 1215 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,960 Speaker 1: we just take the compliment shot up. I was, so 1216 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,480 Speaker 1: I have block in like ten people over because I 1217 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: was like, I don't even want to ever hear from 1218 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,680 Speaker 1: you again if this is your reaction to First of all, 1219 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 1: I've known Pennay since before he had his first offer, 1220 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,600 Speaker 1: So if you want to get into like, well, actually's 1221 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, please, I would love 1222 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,080 Speaker 1: to go over the history. Um, have you ever got George? 1223 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen his dad? No I've never seen 1224 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,040 Speaker 1: his death just a massive and Ralph can tell you know, 1225 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm a big dude when every time I see his dad, 1226 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: his dad just swallows me whole. It gives me a 1227 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,160 Speaker 1: hug and like picks me up, and it's like I'm 1228 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 1: a little rag dollar or something. Just a massive human being. 1229 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 1: So and when it comes, but when when it comes 1230 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,480 Speaker 1: to Noah, Now, this is what I I think, this 1231 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,040 Speaker 1: is a fact. I think George's in the lead. They're 1232 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 1: coming off with that last visit. Now, I mean, I 1233 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,880 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of belief in the family that 1234 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 1: he's an SEC linebacker, which I kind of agree with. 1235 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 1: But the question is how how much does a successful season, 1236 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, in Oregon by their defense kind of change 1237 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 1: that and it's evolving every week. But I know, coming 1238 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,800 Speaker 1: off of that last visit to Georgia, they were kind 1239 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,880 Speaker 1: of the leader in the clubhouse. Um, the question is 1240 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,600 Speaker 1: how does it maintain as year goes along, especially you know, 1241 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,840 Speaker 1: if Georgia loses to Auburn or Florida ends up going 1242 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,960 Speaker 1: you know nine and three or something like that, you know, 1243 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,560 Speaker 1: that may change the outlook for them on a lot 1244 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 1: of these elite level guys. But I think it's right now. 1245 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,040 Speaker 1: If I had to say, it's a battle between Georgia 1246 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 1: in Oregon, and at this time in today's recruitment, it 1247 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,040 Speaker 1: was a battle between Alabama and Oregon, and Alabama had 1248 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,880 Speaker 1: the lead. So um, I think it's going to come 1249 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,280 Speaker 1: down to the end. It'll be interesting to see if 1250 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: they can win out. I remember when Pena was in 1251 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,360 Speaker 1: was in high school, there was some talk of like, Okay, 1252 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to guarantee the because at the time, 1253 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,240 Speaker 1: Noah was not viewed as like a future elite prospect. 1254 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Here's more like a three star. I was like, okay, well, 1255 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,840 Speaker 1: you gotta if you really want to wrap up you 1256 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,120 Speaker 1: you gotta promise the younger brother a spot and you 1257 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,440 Speaker 1: might have to take the uh the older brother as 1258 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 1: a transfer from Nevada. And there were some coaches who 1259 01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,040 Speaker 1: balked at that and it didn't end up happening. I 1260 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,600 Speaker 1: think his brother is at Utah now or b y U, 1261 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember he transferred, but anyway, so he went 1262 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: from being almost like a throw in now to like 1263 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 1: this guy's yeah, five star in his own right. So 1264 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,240 Speaker 1: we'll see how it works out. I just hope for 1265 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,600 Speaker 1: the take of this podcast. That those three dudes don't 1266 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,960 Speaker 1: end up in Eugene together, Why not? That would be 1267 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,920 Speaker 1: the most amazing thing that ever happened. Hey, no, I 1268 01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 1: would enjoy it as a spectator. But my goodness, we're 1269 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,760 Speaker 1: talking enough about Oregan already. Yeah, Georgia be superable at 1270 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,160 Speaker 1: that point. Oh oh, and and and I'm throwing in 1271 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Daniel not at two I want. I wanted him to. 1272 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm are you making a Christmas Let's I was trying 1273 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 1: to remember. I mean, I gotta make sure. I have 1274 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 1: to make sure I have to do my research on 1275 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,040 Speaker 1: him real quick before I slip up and say something 1276 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to, because I feel like I saw 1277 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,400 Speaker 1: something come through. You know, this may shock a lot 1278 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:13,960 Speaker 1: of people out there, but we know where these guys 1279 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,000 Speaker 1: are going before they commit, on a lot of them, 1280 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,640 Speaker 1: so sometimes we'll get some internal communications that reflect on 1281 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,240 Speaker 1: where they're going. And I thought I got an email 1282 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:29,480 Speaker 1: about about Nata, but I don't get the I got 1283 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: the Falcons Cardinals game on in the background. Matt Bryant, 1284 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,800 Speaker 1: who hasn't missed a field goal in like years, just 1285 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,000 Speaker 1: missed an extra point to tie the game with two 1286 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:45,360 Speaker 1: minutes left, So Atlantic. I had to audibly react there 1287 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: there there because they saw your tweet. George. They think 1288 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,480 Speaker 1: that SEOL might be able to come out this year. 1289 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,440 Speaker 1: They're trying to get it, Sorr. Anyway, Yeah, I don't 1290 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: know what's up with Nada. Looks like the Arizona state 1291 01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,160 Speaker 1: leading there, Ralph that way you're hearing, Yeah, I I 1292 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 1: have been hearing that. Yeah, I have been here in 1293 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,439 Speaker 1: the ariz On It just because his buddy Omar Norman 1294 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:10,240 Speaker 1: Lott just committed. Okay, all right, well boys, I gotta go. 1295 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 1: I got the meat loaf. You know I do the 1296 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: cooking around here, so uh so I hope I got 1297 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,240 Speaker 1: I hope I gave you enough meat. Well, if I 1298 01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,800 Speaker 1: got perfect. Some acorn squash going, it's fall here on 1299 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,639 Speaker 1: the side. A corn acorn squash. That's that's so great. 1300 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm growing some of that now. I got this thing 1301 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,120 Speaker 1: called a lettuce grow, one of those hydro hydroponic plant 1302 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,200 Speaker 1: things that you can grow at home. So we have 1303 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:38,160 Speaker 1: a garden at home now, so I'm excited. Yeah, acorn squash, 1304 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,120 Speaker 1: great producer, and you can take the seeds and and 1305 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,080 Speaker 1: and re grow them right there. So George, if you 1306 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 1: keep doing it, I gotta started gardening right right, it'll 1307 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:53,120 Speaker 1: be called ebony and ivory. Hey, now I know I 1308 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,679 Speaker 1: got I got an office full of halopenos and peppers. 1309 01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 1: I want to Okay, cool people always forget I grew 1310 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: up in Oregon until I tell him, Hey, my name 1311 01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,080 Speaker 1: is Woody and my middle name is mo. Honda's after 1312 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,280 Speaker 1: Gandhi the number two. I grow plants out of garbage 1313 01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,599 Speaker 1: in my house. So I got pineapples, I got avocado trees, 1314 01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,479 Speaker 1: I got all that stuff that grow from waste. So 1315 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,040 Speaker 1: still a little bit of that that hippiness in me, 1316 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: despite me being gone, okay, um, what what the hell's 1317 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,640 Speaker 1: in the name of that movie where where he got 1318 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,320 Speaker 1: lost on Mars? We got stuck on Mars and he 1319 01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:33,360 Speaker 1: had to grow it out of waste? Yeah potatoes, Yeah, yeah, No, 1320 01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,160 Speaker 1: I would be on that level if I were single. 1321 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,559 Speaker 1: Who knows what it would look like around here, but uh, 1322 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:44,519 Speaker 1: you know, i'd probably well appreciated wood All right, Hey, 1323 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,200 Speaker 1: enjoy enjoy the meat loaf. Alright, guys, I appreciate it. 1324 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,040 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon. Dude, Ralph wood he was 1325 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 1: after the great Dude. He gave us some great Yeah, 1326 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,599 Speaker 1: he gave us some great information and so let's finish 1327 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,040 Speaker 1: up these games. So the will we already covered the 1328 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:03,560 Speaker 1: Oregon Colorado game, but the USC Notre Dame game. What 1329 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: was your take on net? Honestly like, um uh, it 1330 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 1: started out the way that I thought it would, just 1331 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,960 Speaker 1: absolute dominance by by Notre Dames defense. Um USC kind 1332 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,760 Speaker 1: of was able to move the ball a little bit, 1333 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: they couldn't capitalize in the red zone. And then as 1334 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,839 Speaker 1: Keith and Slovis started to see things a little more clearly, 1335 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,240 Speaker 1: and as Notre Dame, who doesn't really have that killer instinct, 1336 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,639 Speaker 1: kind of started to put the brakes on. You saw 1337 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,160 Speaker 1: that accuracy and uh, and they were able to move 1338 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,559 Speaker 1: the ball. And at the same time, you know, USC's 1339 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,960 Speaker 1: fan base is so fed up. So if I even 1340 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,040 Speaker 1: I know that if I even say one positive thing, 1341 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it'll be an absolute nightmare for me in 1342 01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,640 Speaker 1: my in my mentions and in my d M s. 1343 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,560 Speaker 1: And so I mean, I'll just I'll stick with the 1344 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,599 Speaker 1: party line here say, disappointing loss for the Trojans, even 1345 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,719 Speaker 1: though they lost by less than I thought they would, 1346 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,920 Speaker 1: and they have a chance to win the PAC twelve South, 1347 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,040 Speaker 1: a good chance in my estimation. I agree with you there, 1348 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,240 Speaker 1: except for I thought they were gonna win. I mean, 1349 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: because they have. It's so frustrating because they have the 1350 01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,840 Speaker 1: talent to win. They have the talent to win. It 1351 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: is just like I mean, they're they're like Sisyphus who 1352 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,240 Speaker 1: continues to push the rock up up the hill. Thence 1353 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: once they get up there, they beat Utah and then 1354 01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,640 Speaker 1: they let it roll back over them when they when 1355 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 1: they go to to Washington, then they go to Notre 1356 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:33,040 Speaker 1: Dame lose again. I mean, it is it's terrible man. 1357 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,080 Speaker 1: Like the conference, I would agree with everybody. The conference 1358 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,200 Speaker 1: needs USC to be be good. Like they don't need 1359 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,080 Speaker 1: them to win the conference, but they need them to 1360 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,960 Speaker 1: be a top fifteen team. It matters. And it's just 1361 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 1: so bad man, and they're um, so Keaton, Keaton Slovis. 1362 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,680 Speaker 1: I think that he is for sure the guy. Now 1363 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,479 Speaker 1: would you would you agree with that? Yeah? I mean 1364 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,719 Speaker 1: he gotta start winning, you know, he's he he needs 1365 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,600 Speaker 1: to win. These performances are all well and good, but no, 1366 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,599 Speaker 1: they're not going to accept him unless he's having these 1367 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,439 Speaker 1: performances in wins. This is the school where seven and 1368 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,559 Speaker 1: two and Slovians already has two losses. So if he's 1369 01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,000 Speaker 1: going to be the next grade USC quarterback, he's gotta 1370 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's gotta get going. So I'm gonna do 1371 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,360 Speaker 1: play played play nose, tackle two and liebacker. They gave 1372 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: up three eight Russian yards and they scored three points 1373 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,559 Speaker 1: in the first half. So it's on the offense too, 1374 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,960 Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to crown him, then he 1375 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,080 Speaker 1: needs to wear that crown. Okay, that that was That 1376 01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,560 Speaker 1: was so sensible. I don't even have a reply to it, 1377 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,080 Speaker 1: but I'm on St. St. Brown. I think he had 1378 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,800 Speaker 1: his first game leading the Trojans in receiving, but notre Dame. 1379 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,679 Speaker 1: They did a good job of keeping Pittman and Bonds down. 1380 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,200 Speaker 1: They literally just dropped everybody back and tried to stop 1381 01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,719 Speaker 1: the run with with with five people in the box, 1382 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,760 Speaker 1: sometimes six, and they were very successful at it. They 1383 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,920 Speaker 1: were like, you are not going to throw the ball 1384 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,639 Speaker 1: over our head to these big whiteouts and it did 1385 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,840 Speaker 1: not happen. So, I mean, I don't know, man, If 1386 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,240 Speaker 1: USC can't run the football, I don't I don't think 1387 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,479 Speaker 1: that they can win, and I think that they're gonna 1388 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,360 Speaker 1: be struggling in the Pact. Twelveth South but when you 1389 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: look at the PAC twelve South standings, though, the all 1390 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,160 Speaker 1: the top teams are two in one or one and two, 1391 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:31,640 Speaker 1: so everybody still has it has a shot. Yeah, I 1392 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,120 Speaker 1: mean I still I still like them, but I still 1393 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,280 Speaker 1: like the talent that they have. They got the win 1394 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,840 Speaker 1: over Utah. I think that they have a good enough chance, 1395 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,200 Speaker 1: uh to get this done. So, I mean, I don't 1396 01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 1: know what to I We're gonna watch it play out. 1397 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Their schedule gets a little bit easier, and the funny 1398 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,400 Speaker 1: thing is gonna be how many USC fans are piste 1399 01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,680 Speaker 1: off to be one of these for sure. Yeah, but 1400 01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,240 Speaker 1: I think that the book is already closed on on 1401 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,640 Speaker 1: clay On Clay Helton though I don't believe that he is, 1402 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,680 Speaker 1: that there's any way that he is a that he is. 1403 01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,000 Speaker 1: The next quarter, I'm sorry that he continues as coach. 1404 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,639 Speaker 1: I mean he needed if he had beat Notre Dame 1405 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,240 Speaker 1: and beat U C l A. Then Yeah, but yeah, 1406 01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,000 Speaker 1: I think I think it's over now. Um the next 1407 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,519 Speaker 1: game up. I was very surprised at the score in 1408 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:25,360 Speaker 1: this game. It was in the first quarter. Utah went 1409 01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 1: up to Courts Valis and stomped a mud hole. I mean, 1410 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,000 Speaker 1: they bludgeoned Oregon State. I mean, in Oregon State have 1411 01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,840 Speaker 1: been a team like like when you look at them statistically, 1412 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,080 Speaker 1: they can They're still even after this game, fourth in 1413 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,120 Speaker 1: the conference in rushing, they are uh seventh in the 1414 01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:50,200 Speaker 1: conference in passing. And they got nothing versus you talk. 1415 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely nothing. I mean it was a one 1416 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,080 Speaker 1: sided affair. Utah just like took over the game and 1417 01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,920 Speaker 1: they were like, listen, anybody who thinks who thought that 1418 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,880 Speaker 1: we don't have a chance in the pack twelve South, 1419 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,439 Speaker 1: forget about it. Yeah. I saw a pretty funny tweet 1420 01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,240 Speaker 1: that I can't stop thinking about it. It made me 1421 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,559 Speaker 1: laugh really hard. And it was that uh that Utah 1422 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,400 Speaker 1: was was going in and doing it for Gary Anderson. 1423 01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Like that was there. That was the Gary Anderson revenge game. 1424 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,599 Speaker 1: I mean, Gary Anderson's at Utah State now he's back 1425 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,559 Speaker 1: being there. That he was happy being their head coach. 1426 01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,639 Speaker 1: He took the Wisconsin job, didn't get along with anybody, 1427 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,000 Speaker 1: took Oregon State job, didn't get along with anybody. Then 1428 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,840 Speaker 1: he went back to Utah for like a third time 1429 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,280 Speaker 1: for a year before going back to Utah State. But 1430 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,600 Speaker 1: I just I got a really good laugh about that. 1431 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: That it was that there's somehow was the motivation from 1432 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,640 Speaker 1: Utah to go out there and run the ball all 1433 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,800 Speaker 1: over Oregon State was in the name of their three 1434 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:53,200 Speaker 1: time associate head coach Gary Anderson. Yeah, and Zack Zack 1435 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,560 Speaker 1: Moss only carried the ball five times but managed to 1436 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,839 Speaker 1: have a hundred and twenty one yards and two touchdowns 1437 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,439 Speaker 1: and five Gary's dude, And that's I mean, that just 1438 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,680 Speaker 1: shows you, like what a pro winning him is. Just 1439 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,800 Speaker 1: like we got what we needed out of him. He's 1440 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,120 Speaker 1: on the bench, like, let's worry about Arizona State. Yeah, 1441 01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,560 Speaker 1: because he is coming back from or from injury and 1442 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,560 Speaker 1: the last thing that you wanted to see him to 1443 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,839 Speaker 1: to get hurt. But I do want to give props 1444 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,760 Speaker 1: to Isaiah Hodgen Hodgens though. I mean, even though his 1445 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:24,960 Speaker 1: team was getting beat bludgeoned, even he still found found 1446 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,520 Speaker 1: a way when he's their guy, to get eight receptions 1447 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,000 Speaker 1: seventy seven yards against a really good defense and not 1448 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,000 Speaker 1: great quarterback lay either. So I want to give him 1449 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,080 Speaker 1: props for that. Here's my question to you this week, uh, 1450 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:44,000 Speaker 1: and I'm going to enjoy this response. Take Isaiah Hodgens 1451 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,280 Speaker 1: putting him at USC Is he the number one to 1452 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:52,719 Speaker 1: three or four receiver. Oh ah see, It's it's hard 1453 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:58,160 Speaker 1: to put him above Pittman or or Van because they're 1454 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 1: so big that they can do speed ful things with 1455 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,000 Speaker 1: jump balls and all of this stuff that a lot 1456 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,960 Speaker 1: of other guys can't can't do. Uh So, so I 1457 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,200 Speaker 1: would guess i'd be fighting with i'm on st i'm 1458 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,599 Speaker 1: ros st Brown. But I think that he's the best 1459 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,519 Speaker 1: out of all of them though. But I think that 1460 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,439 Speaker 1: positionally the way they match up, they both can play 1461 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,200 Speaker 1: the slot, they both can play outside. I don't know, man, 1462 01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,000 Speaker 1: I might I might have to take Hodgens man, I'm 1463 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,840 Speaker 1: I might. I think Hodgens got pulled out of this 1464 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,720 Speaker 1: game too, because I think I remember checking a half 1465 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,160 Speaker 1: time he had seven for seventy and he finished with 1466 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,160 Speaker 1: eight catches for seventy seven yards, So I mean he 1467 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,080 Speaker 1: was on pace to do some serious damage. You got 1468 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,560 Speaker 1: six and one hand, half a dozen in the in 1469 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: the other. There's no way to lose that matchup. But 1470 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,080 Speaker 1: I still, I mean, Tyler Hunley only threw the ball 1471 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:52,280 Speaker 1: seventeen times, fourteen completions. I said I wasn't gonna doubt 1472 01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,880 Speaker 1: the Utah offense again until it's time to doubt him. 1473 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,920 Speaker 1: And I'm still I've still just find so much trouble 1474 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,920 Speaker 1: in believing in his offense very much. Um. But now 1475 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,760 Speaker 1: we can move on to the to the team that 1476 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,240 Speaker 1: you beat the drum for, especially on defense, is Arizona State. 1477 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,519 Speaker 1: When we put together the list of secondaries that you 1478 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:21,719 Speaker 1: would take, you chose uh Arizona State, cal and Arizona 1479 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,200 Speaker 1: State a close second. And they got absolutely they got 1480 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,439 Speaker 1: hit up to the two of four hundred and sixty 1481 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,320 Speaker 1: six yards and three touchdowns by Anthony Gordon. What say you, now, 1482 01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,680 Speaker 1: Ralph Ams? Did I say that that's what nine ten 1483 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,920 Speaker 1: yards of catch? I'm not that worried about it. He 1484 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,960 Speaker 1: dropped back sixty four times. The defensive line touched Anthony Gordon. 1485 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,200 Speaker 1: I think on the last throw of the game was 1486 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,000 Speaker 1: the first time that he he got touched. When they're 1487 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,839 Speaker 1: trying to throw hill Mary, it's four hundred and sixty 1488 01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:57,280 Speaker 1: six yards, Ralph? When when uh? When when they played 1489 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,439 Speaker 1: cow Ain't no four hundred sixty six yards happening when 1490 01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,880 Speaker 1: they when they played Calli's gonna be like he'll finish 1491 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,240 Speaker 1: with like two eighty no touchdowns, all right, And so 1492 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,839 Speaker 1: I'll throw this back out at you because the cornerback 1493 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:13,320 Speaker 1: that they picked on all day was Jack Jones. Jack 1494 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Jones was playing a couple of yards off of his receiver. Um, 1495 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,599 Speaker 1: I want to say his name was ASoP something, Give 1496 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,680 Speaker 1: me a second. So yeah, I mean I should know 1497 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:28,040 Speaker 1: his name. He caught four teen balls yesterday. Um but yeah, 1498 01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,920 Speaker 1: So anyway, Jack Jones is playing a little bit off 1499 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,720 Speaker 1: of him, and and he was just getting hit over 1500 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,120 Speaker 1: and over again with these little slants. Right. Well, Jack 1501 01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,320 Speaker 1: Jones had ten solo tackles. You know how hard it 1502 01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:45,120 Speaker 1: is for a cornerback to to bring the receiver down 1503 01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,599 Speaker 1: on his own every single time. So yeah, there's a negative, 1504 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,360 Speaker 1: but with that you also get a positive. And Jack 1505 01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,200 Speaker 1: Jones yesterday had five pass deflections. Here's why that's important. 1506 01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,320 Speaker 1: It's the most by any single player in any single 1507 01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:05,680 Speaker 1: college football game all years. Yeah. But the and that 1508 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,639 Speaker 1: you're getting there like that they're testing and the rules 1509 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:13,280 Speaker 1: are designed for you to lose in college football. I 1510 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,400 Speaker 1: all day yesterday I watched Arizona State fans tweet about 1511 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,639 Speaker 1: how garbage the secondary was all game long. They're tweeting 1512 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,559 Speaker 1: about how garbage the secondary was, and I'm looking at 1513 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,639 Speaker 1: it like, all right, Anthony Gordon has no pass rush, 1514 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,280 Speaker 1: He's able to do whatever he wants, and yet he's 1515 01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,519 Speaker 1: dinking and duncan five yards here, eight yards here, eleven 1516 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,320 Speaker 1: yards here, and in the red zone. It didn't end 1517 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,680 Speaker 1: up always being good enough, like they came out hot 1518 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:45,240 Speaker 1: right away, but it wasn't what it seemed. Anybody who 1519 01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,679 Speaker 1: knows anything about football will tell you that an elite 1520 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,240 Speaker 1: quarterback is out there throwing eight to nine yards per attempt. 1521 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:57,200 Speaker 1: He had four sixty yards on sixty four attempts. That's 1522 01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,680 Speaker 1: about average. That's about ridge per attempt. He had uh 1523 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,000 Speaker 1: of his twenty incompletions, I think ten were deflected. So 1524 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,200 Speaker 1: Arizona State cornerbacks were out there going to work. Kobe 1525 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,760 Speaker 1: Williams was doing it with one bum hand. He only 1526 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,360 Speaker 1: had two fingers sticking out of a cast. Chase Lucas 1527 01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,120 Speaker 1: didn't give up anything all day, and they picked on 1528 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:19,800 Speaker 1: the safeties a little bit, but when they went after 1529 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:26,400 Speaker 1: Jack Jones, he would make tackle immediately or he deflected. 1530 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,439 Speaker 1: Going into yesterday, the person that was leading into flections 1531 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,760 Speaker 1: I think goes to Tulsa and they had eleven. He 1532 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,240 Speaker 1: had five all by himself. So I'm not that mad 1533 01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 1: about it. Washington State's tough. This is what they're gonna do. 1534 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,680 Speaker 1: And I knew that you were going to come in. 1535 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,599 Speaker 1: So this is my battle strategy is just to pick 1536 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,160 Speaker 1: it apart. I I don't think that Arizona State had 1537 01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,120 Speaker 1: as bad of a day in the secondary as the 1538 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,400 Speaker 1: as just listing the yardage would indicate. Now, they are 1539 01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,400 Speaker 1: not very good. This is this is the team. I mean, 1540 01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:01,160 Speaker 1: they don't act the quarterback, they don't sack the quarterback. 1541 01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,360 Speaker 1: They're not all. Here's what I do need to say. 1542 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,320 Speaker 1: Here's my main COPA. They are not on organ. Okay, okay, 1543 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:17,599 Speaker 1: so yeah, but and oh but you know, Benjamin had 1544 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,400 Speaker 1: a good game nineteen carries, hundred and thirty seven yards 1545 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:27,479 Speaker 1: and uh and Brandon said, are you seven seven for 1546 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,760 Speaker 1: one ninety six and three three touchdowns? Are we going 1547 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,600 Speaker 1: to see this more of this? Or or with this? 1548 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:40,000 Speaker 1: A he an anomaly? No, he's the he's uh. Some 1549 01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,599 Speaker 1: people are calling him Brandon I yak. I call him 1550 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,960 Speaker 1: the Yak Master. It's just about getting the ball in 1551 01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,600 Speaker 1: his hands and seeing what he can do with it. 1552 01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,200 Speaker 1: He is freaky fast. He was having cramps and the 1553 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,840 Speaker 1: flu yesterday and he's still. I mean, he had an 1554 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,040 Speaker 1: eighty six yard reception that was just he had a 1555 01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:00,400 Speaker 1: Jordan flu game and so he yeah, basically basically he 1556 01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,760 Speaker 1: made he made the entire defense sick and he was sick. 1557 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,519 Speaker 1: And I mean he's a tough guy to deal with, 1558 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,200 Speaker 1: and it really helps for a young guy like Jane 1559 01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,320 Speaker 1: Daniels to have somebody that can make a play after 1560 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,479 Speaker 1: the catch, and it just definitely puts a lot of 1561 01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,120 Speaker 1: relief on this offensive line from having to do too much. 1562 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they're still so young. I just want to 1563 01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,800 Speaker 1: caution people on this Arizona State team. There five and one, 1564 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,920 Speaker 1: they got a quarterback who has permanent ice in his veins, 1565 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,960 Speaker 1: but they are still a very young work in progress. 1566 01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:35,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is Washington State. Washington States just bad. 1567 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,439 Speaker 1: They're everything that Mike Leach said that they were. And 1568 01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:42,559 Speaker 1: Mike leaches that too. So Arizona State is five and one, 1569 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,960 Speaker 1: but they could just as easily be be be two 1570 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:53,000 Speaker 1: and four though too. I mean, just that's well, I mean, 1571 01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,519 Speaker 1: if if he could continue to do it, more more 1572 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,320 Speaker 1: power to him. But this is a team that's clear 1573 01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,960 Speaker 1: clearly going to a bowl game and potentially lead UH 1574 01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,519 Speaker 1: Pack twelve. A Pack twelve championship if they can hold 1575 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:09,600 Speaker 1: off Utah Um so the the last game up of 1576 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,400 Speaker 1: the day. Probably the most frustrating team to watch in 1577 01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,200 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. To me, it's not Washington, it's the 1578 01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:23,960 Speaker 1: Arizona Ambstains it is. It is uh Ralph's Khalil tatee 1579 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,800 Speaker 1: who is just so. I mean, it's like burns my 1580 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,679 Speaker 1: boils my blood at times. So watch them play, because 1581 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,160 Speaker 1: I thought they quit in this air. In this Washington game, 1582 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:40,160 Speaker 1: particularly in the fourth quarter, Khalil Tate seemed disinterested at times. 1583 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't look like he looks like a 1584 01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,880 Speaker 1: running back playing quarter quarterback. Quarterbacks climb in the pocket. 1585 01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,760 Speaker 1: He's always running backwards. Then he's throwing the ball with 1586 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,000 Speaker 1: his left hand out of bounds. They're just just like 1587 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:55,960 Speaker 1: he gives up on the play when it has to 1588 01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,320 Speaker 1: go to the side. He doesn't want to run. I 1589 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,040 Speaker 1: don't understand. Tell me what is going on with the 1590 01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,120 Speaker 1: man that you cover, that you love, that you talk about, 1591 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:09,960 Speaker 1: and who is costing me a a A Pack twelve 1592 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:19,719 Speaker 1: apostles pick them championship? Uh Khalil Tak Yeah, here's here's 1593 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,800 Speaker 1: the thing um I knew yesterday was gonna go bad. 1594 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,439 Speaker 1: Arizona just doesn't match It was there being four and 1595 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,360 Speaker 1: one his fool's gold. They didn't match up with Washington 1596 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,439 Speaker 1: very well. They're gonna lose a lot of their upcoming 1597 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:35,639 Speaker 1: games as well. Um. And I told you he'd get benched, 1598 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,560 Speaker 1: and what happened? He got benched. I'll tell you what. 1599 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,519 Speaker 1: In the first half, we were living my nightmare though, 1600 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,639 Speaker 1: because Jacob Eeson was playing poorly, Khalil Tate was playing poorly, 1601 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,720 Speaker 1: and Arizona was winning I think at one point and 1602 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,120 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is this makes me look 1603 01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:56,680 Speaker 1: like the dumbest man on the planet. Um, Jacob Eeson, Uh, 1604 01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,760 Speaker 1: he did what he did yesterday. That Arizona defense is 1605 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,400 Speaker 1: not very deep. They finally figured out that you have 1606 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,040 Speaker 1: to throw on these defensive backs. They're really young. Um. 1607 01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:07,880 Speaker 1: And then Khalil Tate. I mean, if you want me 1608 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,760 Speaker 1: to speak on that, I don't know what to tell you. 1609 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,880 Speaker 1: It's a bad marriage. It's a bad marriage. It's like 1610 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Britney Spears and Jason Alexander that Las Vegas ROMP. I 1611 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,599 Speaker 1: don't know what else to say. George. It's these two 1612 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,719 Speaker 1: units do not belong together, and they're just biding time 1613 01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,160 Speaker 1: to where they can have Grant Dannelle in there and 1614 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:31,680 Speaker 1: run the offense that they want to run. And in 1615 01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,160 Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, why not just do it? And 1616 01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,479 Speaker 1: it sucks that Khalil Tate played in his fifth game 1617 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:41,240 Speaker 1: because now we can't transfer, and we and we and 1618 01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,400 Speaker 1: we talked about that that would have been the optimal 1619 01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,720 Speaker 1: move for him. He finished this game. Yes, we have 1620 01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,360 Speaker 1: to give credit to Washington's offense. I'm sorry to Washington's defense, 1621 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,800 Speaker 1: but he seemed like disinterested at times, like he has 1622 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,320 Speaker 1: no desire to run. I mean, and you keep calling 1623 01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,599 Speaker 1: him a running back and I just he doesn't even 1624 01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,920 Speaker 1: like running all that much. He doesn't like contact. He is. 1625 01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,920 Speaker 1: Someone pointed that out on Twitter yesterday and I can't 1626 01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,720 Speaker 1: stop thinking about it. He's contact of verse, so like 1627 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,960 Speaker 1: you could call designed runs for him, but like he's 1628 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,880 Speaker 1: not going to be the guy to get seventeen yards 1629 01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,479 Speaker 1: and die. He's not Tebow right. Um, He's just very 1630 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,960 Speaker 1: very very fast. The other thing about him is he's 1631 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,880 Speaker 1: got JaMarcus Russell's arm, so we can call him a 1632 01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,880 Speaker 1: running back all we want, but he's not accurate. Ralph, 1633 01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,840 Speaker 1: you you gave me his quarterbacks are not. Some quarterbacks 1634 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,920 Speaker 1: are not at I did I text you what his 1635 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,880 Speaker 1: n C double A stats would be? Yeah, you said 1636 01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:44,599 Speaker 1: he would have what um nine for an arm, seventy 1637 01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,800 Speaker 1: four for accuracy for speed, and like a forty four 1638 01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,040 Speaker 1: for awareness. Yeah, that's not a quarterback. If you're awareness 1639 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,360 Speaker 1: is a forty four and you're accuracy is a seventy four. 1640 01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,240 Speaker 1: I guess. I mean then again, like he's also you. 1641 01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,639 Speaker 1: You are the sum of what you do. You can't 1642 01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,759 Speaker 1: tell me he's also not the guy who plays against 1643 01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:11,960 Speaker 1: He's one week off. It's really easy to forget what 1644 01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:17,280 Speaker 1: it was Colorado. Not everybody does have to Colorado, though 1645 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:25,160 Speaker 1: everybody does. Here's the thing. He is not in the 1646 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,840 Speaker 1: right place. He could be a decent enough quarterback at 1647 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,920 Speaker 1: a place that could. He doesn't want to. You just 1648 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:36,120 Speaker 1: said it. But if you call it, he's got a 1649 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,720 Speaker 1: If it's not an option, if it's just a designed run, 1650 01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 1: and you're so convinced he's a running back, then get 1651 01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,559 Speaker 1: him on the move. But this this this offense doesn't 1652 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,920 Speaker 1: want him running at all. This offense knows that he 1653 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,920 Speaker 1: can't just drop back in the pocket and chill. And 1654 01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,240 Speaker 1: they're not. For some reason, they should just call the 1655 01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,880 Speaker 1: offense that they're going to use with Grantnell there and 1656 01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,600 Speaker 1: run bubble after bubble after bubble after bubble. That's a 1657 01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,800 Speaker 1: true NOLMAZONI offense is to just bubble screen you to 1658 01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,599 Speaker 1: death until they can hit you want to post, that's 1659 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,200 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get with Grant Gnell. They should just 1660 01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,439 Speaker 1: run it now, no option stuff, Just bubble, bubble, bubble, bubble, deep, 1661 01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:13,880 Speaker 1: over and over and over again. You don't have to 1662 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,559 Speaker 1: be super accurate to run that. So do you think 1663 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,800 Speaker 1: they're going to start him next? Because because it looks 1664 01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,360 Speaker 1: like that that it ended, it looked like it ended 1665 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,200 Speaker 1: against watch. At this point, it's like pointless, Like should 1666 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:31,920 Speaker 1: they know? No, his time, his time in Arizona should 1667 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,400 Speaker 1: be over. I don't know what they have to do 1668 01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,400 Speaker 1: for him to be in a better situation, fake and 1669 01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:40,519 Speaker 1: injury or what. But like no, I told I've told you, 1670 01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,920 Speaker 1: I've been ringing this. I like kill l Tate. I 1671 01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,320 Speaker 1: think he's got a fantastic skill set. He does some 1672 01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,240 Speaker 1: things that are incredibly entertaining to me. He is a 1673 01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,400 Speaker 1: world class athlete. He can throw the ball as far 1674 01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:54,000 Speaker 1: as Uncle Rico. This isn't the offense for him, and 1675 01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,280 Speaker 1: this isn't definitely not the head coach for him. Head coach, 1676 01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,200 Speaker 1: it's very clear does not like having him around owned 1677 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,600 Speaker 1: and so it just should just don't stay together for 1678 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:08,439 Speaker 1: the kids, get divorced, move on, right, just go. He 1679 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,639 Speaker 1: should have transferred. Uh, he should have transferred. They should 1680 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,599 Speaker 1: or they should have just said, like grants our starter, 1681 01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:16,599 Speaker 1: and they should have That should have been the writing 1682 01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,320 Speaker 1: on the wall. But I think they got intoxicated with 1683 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,320 Speaker 1: the idea that they're winning a couple of games here 1684 01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,599 Speaker 1: and there. They thinks they might compete for the South, 1685 01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,400 Speaker 1: and they're foolish if they do that. They're too young, 1686 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,559 Speaker 1: they're not talented enough at the positions that you need 1687 01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,800 Speaker 1: to be talented at. They can't stop anyone defensively. I 1688 01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,320 Speaker 1: just I'm super frustrated because this could have been a 1689 01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,360 Speaker 1: This could have been a year where we really got 1690 01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,840 Speaker 1: to see what they were going to be, or or 1691 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,879 Speaker 1: they could just have showcase gliltate and lived with his mistakes. 1692 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,080 Speaker 1: That's the other thing, if you're gonna see I thought 1693 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,599 Speaker 1: that if Arizona had been two and three coming into 1694 01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,040 Speaker 1: this game instead of four form one, that they would 1695 01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,120 Speaker 1: have that they would have just done done the right thing, 1696 01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,559 Speaker 1: but they were under a delusion that they were going 1697 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,080 Speaker 1: to win the pack tow up South, which is not 1698 01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Um. Now, on the other side of the ball, 1699 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,040 Speaker 1: you you have Washington, who piled up twenty four points 1700 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,200 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarder. But I'll tell you, I am 1701 01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,000 Speaker 1: still not impressed with this team. Like I'm still not 1702 01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,760 Speaker 1: impressed with with with with Jacob Easton. He made a 1703 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:18,679 Speaker 1: couple of good throws, but Arizona's defense is still not great. 1704 01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:23,400 Speaker 1: So I will see what I will judge Jacob Eason 1705 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,400 Speaker 1: even more after this Oregon game because Oregan is only 1706 01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,240 Speaker 1: given up eight points a game they, I mean, which 1707 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,080 Speaker 1: I don't think is sustainable throughout an entire season. That 1708 01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:37,920 Speaker 1: would that would be unreal. I mean maybe, dude, like 1709 01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:44,280 Speaker 1: my mind can't can't conceive like the fact that somebody 1710 01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,680 Speaker 1: only gives up eight points a game in the PAC 1711 01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,760 Speaker 1: twelve after I mean, like that would be like my 1712 01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,320 Speaker 1: mind won't understand it. So he'sn And this is why 1713 01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,960 Speaker 1: this is this is why you schedule armor so that 1714 01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,040 Speaker 1: you can go out there and even if you win 1715 01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,960 Speaker 1: or lose, they at least make you better. It doesn't 1716 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,040 Speaker 1: make you better to lose to Wyoming. It doesn't make 1717 01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,600 Speaker 1: you better loose to Colorado State going up against Auburn, Like, 1718 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,840 Speaker 1: you're not going to experience that physicality from anybody else. 1719 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna get better prepared. Like Oregon had it win 1720 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,519 Speaker 1: or lose in that game. Day won because they moved 1721 01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,599 Speaker 1: into past ball play, ready to go and more teams. Yeah, 1722 01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,720 Speaker 1: and they are running over I mean, they are just 1723 01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:25,120 Speaker 1: bludgeoning people like just and and so. But Jacob Eastan, 1724 01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,439 Speaker 1: he did not look good against Stanford. He didn't look 1725 01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,920 Speaker 1: great against USC and he damn sure didn't look good 1726 01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:35,880 Speaker 1: against cal So and and you know, these are some 1727 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,719 Speaker 1: of the better defenses in the Fact twelve. He feasts 1728 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:42,479 Speaker 1: on like he bumps lays. He he does good against. 1729 01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:47,320 Speaker 1: He has fantastic games against bad defenses against Eastern Washington, Hawaii, 1730 01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,600 Speaker 1: UM and AA in Arizona he shows out. But but 1731 01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,360 Speaker 1: you put Stanford or Cattle in front of him, whole different, whole, 1732 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,040 Speaker 1: different ball game, buddy. Yeah, And I think sometimes you 1733 01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,720 Speaker 1: need some weapons around you. And I think they're a 1734 01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,680 Speaker 1: little bit less talented a receiver than they've been in 1735 01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,599 Speaker 1: recent years, and definitely at running back. So you're he's 1736 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,080 Speaker 1: in a situation where it's got to be on all 1737 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,920 Speaker 1: on him. But I mean, if I'm gonna say, you know, 1738 01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,400 Speaker 1: the whole Crown comment about Keaton slowis, I gotta say 1739 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,080 Speaker 1: it about so do you so? So? I like, mind you. 1740 01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,160 Speaker 1: I do think he's an upgrade from Browning, And I 1741 01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:24,479 Speaker 1: do think that they're wide wide receivers like Fuller even 1742 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,599 Speaker 1: Bryant sometimes that these dudes turned down contact and they 1743 01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,960 Speaker 1: dropped balls, especially Fuller when he thinks he's gonna get 1744 01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,719 Speaker 1: get hit, he gets those alligator arms popping. But they 1745 01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:42,160 Speaker 1: may have found something with Puka Nuka. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1746 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:47,360 Speaker 1: with Pukak. They may have found something there. But I mean, 1747 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,200 Speaker 1: like this is, this is clearly a good football team, 1748 01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,000 Speaker 1: but it's not as great as people thought it was 1749 01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,400 Speaker 1: going to be in the preseason. Yeah, I'm almost I 1750 01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,479 Speaker 1: think maybe you'll find out more about this team having 1751 01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,519 Speaker 1: knowing that they lost twice and that they have to 1752 01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,519 Speaker 1: um and that everything from here is just to make 1753 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,439 Speaker 1: sure that they grow as a team. They're not worried 1754 01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,760 Speaker 1: about national championships or anything like that, so they might 1755 01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,559 Speaker 1: actually be in a little bit better position. And they 1756 01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,080 Speaker 1: played a bad first half yesterday and and you know, 1757 01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:20,880 Speaker 1: they really made it sound like at halftime Easton grew 1758 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,000 Speaker 1: up a little bit, and you'd like him for him 1759 01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,360 Speaker 1: to be grown up regardless, but you also like to 1760 01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,559 Speaker 1: take the fact that, like adversity would bring that out 1761 01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,360 Speaker 1: of somebody, and so maybe maybe that was a turning point. 1762 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to find out real quick, right 1763 01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:37,080 Speaker 1: like next week is serious. Yeah, I mean they definitely 1764 01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,639 Speaker 1: look like a completely different team in the second half. Okay, 1765 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,800 Speaker 1: and the the oh, the last thing that we did 1766 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,840 Speaker 1: not finish, um is our pack to power rankings. So 1767 01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:50,519 Speaker 1: we So I'll go through mine real quick U c 1768 01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:54,240 Speaker 1: l A at twelve, Oregon State at eleven, Arizona at ten, 1769 01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,679 Speaker 1: Colorado at nine, Call at eight. Even though I love Cow, 1770 01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,720 Speaker 1: they're they're just not on offense without without Garber's um. 1771 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:08,840 Speaker 1: Stanford at seven, Washington State at six, USC at five, 1772 01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:13,880 Speaker 1: Washington at four, a s U at three, Utah at two, 1773 01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,240 Speaker 1: Oregon at one. Okay, so my my back half mirrored 1774 01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:21,280 Speaker 1: Woody um, and I just and honestly like there's not 1775 01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,360 Speaker 1: that much different in the in the front half either, 1776 01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:27,040 Speaker 1: except that I do have USC ahead of So I 1777 01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,280 Speaker 1: have Stanford at six and I have USC ahead of them. 1778 01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:33,000 Speaker 1: Stanford has done a couple of really nice things, but 1779 01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean we we've talked ad nauseum on this podcast 1780 01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:40,360 Speaker 1: about about their deficiencies, and the funny thing is, you 1781 01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,599 Speaker 1: know what he was talking about them having Davis Mills 1782 01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,920 Speaker 1: and maybe k J. Costellic should transfer. They're both good quarterbacks. 1783 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,200 Speaker 1: But if David Shaw had his way, he'd have no 1784 01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,920 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and like thirteen fullbacks. So it's actually like a 1785 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,439 Speaker 1: headache for David Show to have more than one NFL 1786 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,760 Speaker 1: level quarterback on his team. I think, Um, but so uh. 1787 01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,600 Speaker 1: And then and then he had Arizona State all the 1788 01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:05,960 Speaker 1: way up at number two. I do not currently hold 1789 01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,920 Speaker 1: that to be true. I got Washington at four, I 1790 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,920 Speaker 1: moved them up from I think five last week Arizona 1791 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:16,200 Speaker 1: State at three. But there's a big gap between three 1792 01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:20,040 Speaker 1: and two for me at this point. Um, and number 1793 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,800 Speaker 1: two is is Utah, and I'm basing that pretty much 1794 01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,760 Speaker 1: off of what they've shown so far. They're just the 1795 01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:30,479 Speaker 1: more mature, dependable team, whereas Arizona State has a ton 1796 01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,679 Speaker 1: more upside. Uh. And then number one, far and away 1797 01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,120 Speaker 1: right now is Oregon. They're doing everything right. Um, we 1798 01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,160 Speaker 1: can nitpick and say there's certain things that they could 1799 01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,600 Speaker 1: be doing better, but that's looking ahead to to you know, 1800 01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,720 Speaker 1: college football playoff or bowl game level. If we're just 1801 01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,920 Speaker 1: talking about what it takes to win the Pack twelve, 1802 01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,560 Speaker 1: they've got everything they need right now. Yeah, and the 1803 01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,599 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you there, Uh, the the last 1804 01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,760 Speaker 1: thing I was thinking about this and I'm meant to 1805 01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,439 Speaker 1: mention this to Woody. I meant to mention it to Woody. 1806 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:06,920 Speaker 1: And because everybody's talking about USC's head coaching situation where 1807 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,680 Speaker 1: the Clay Helton is gonna be be fired, whether they 1808 01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,439 Speaker 1: can get Urban Meyer, all this, But wouldn't it have 1809 01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,680 Speaker 1: all just been solved had they just hired ed or 1810 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,720 Speaker 1: Dron to begin with the success he's having it at 1811 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,280 Speaker 1: l s U, the coordinators he brought in, wouldn't that 1812 01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,439 Speaker 1: have been the smartest move? But they didn't like but 1813 01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:29,439 Speaker 1: he didn't fit the USC style, wouldn't clean cutting pretty enough, 1814 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,360 Speaker 1: so they didn't hire him. I don't know would would 1815 01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,120 Speaker 1: at or Dron have had the success that he's or 1816 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,880 Speaker 1: is he in the perfect place for him now? So 1817 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:42,200 Speaker 1: that's you know, sometimes it's just about fit. You know. 1818 01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,519 Speaker 1: I talk a lot about Khalilte and in Arizona, I 1819 01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:49,599 Speaker 1: Believeltate would be better off elsewhere. I believe that Arizona 1820 01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,840 Speaker 1: would be better off with with grankon Ellen. So I 1821 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,640 Speaker 1: mean in the same way that I think that it 1822 01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,160 Speaker 1: kind of worked out for at or dron Um. And 1823 01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:01,920 Speaker 1: I think that you know, USC had a shot at Sarkeesian. 1824 01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:06,040 Speaker 1: He's the hell of a recruiter. Um. You know, I 1825 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,920 Speaker 1: can't who knows what USC would look like had his 1826 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:15,160 Speaker 1: personal demons not overtaking him. Um, you know, there's nothing there. 1827 01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,640 Speaker 1: I've even if I've ever made light of it in 1828 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,080 Speaker 1: the in the past, it wouldn't necessarily be from you know, 1829 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:24,800 Speaker 1: the the actions, but just simply the the fallout from it. 1830 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,479 Speaker 1: You know that that was a really serious situation, and 1831 01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure that it all went down, you know, in 1832 01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,479 Speaker 1: a way that was not ideal for everybody, and that 1833 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,880 Speaker 1: if Sarkeesian could go back, he would have had control 1834 01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,400 Speaker 1: over his life and still been at the Helm. And so, um, 1835 01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,280 Speaker 1: it's easy to go back and say, well, you know 1836 01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,280 Speaker 1: Ed would have been good because he's doing good at 1837 01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,600 Speaker 1: l s U. But I mean, it also helps to 1838 01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,600 Speaker 1: have Joe Purrows, you know, it also helps to to 1839 01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,040 Speaker 1: be where they're at and to have his kind of 1840 01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,840 Speaker 1: personalities perfect for the area and to have you know, 1841 01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:57,479 Speaker 1: those those resources. Um. It'll be interesting to see whatever 1842 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,759 Speaker 1: USC's next step is because I think probably the biggest 1843 01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:04,840 Speaker 1: error for them wasn't necessarily in keeping Clay Hilton as 1844 01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,920 Speaker 1: as the head coach when all that went down. You know, 1845 01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,639 Speaker 1: they kind of did what it would take to keep 1846 01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,360 Speaker 1: the locker room together and the players happy. Um, but 1847 01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,400 Speaker 1: it was in having somebody who is uh, you know, 1848 01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,080 Speaker 1: a schmoozer and not taking the job seriously at the 1849 01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:21,679 Speaker 1: athletic director um position. I think that was their biggest issue. 1850 01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,640 Speaker 1: So when they get an A D in place and 1851 01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,400 Speaker 1: they make the next decision, and I think that Clay 1852 01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:28,360 Speaker 1: Helton at some point is going to have to recognize 1853 01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,280 Speaker 1: that it would probably be best for everybody to move 1854 01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,400 Speaker 1: on and not you know, just he's doing the job 1855 01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,920 Speaker 1: that he can do in the time that he has. 1856 01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:38,680 Speaker 1: I don't think he's selling anybody short. He is who 1857 01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,760 Speaker 1: he is. It's not like he's yeah, I don't. I 1858 01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,800 Speaker 1: don't either. So I have nothing bad to say about 1859 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,599 Speaker 1: Clay Hut because I believe he's doing Yeah, I think 1860 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,840 Speaker 1: he's doing this to the best of his capabilities. I 1861 01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:52,160 Speaker 1: just think that the demand UH for competence at USC 1862 01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,840 Speaker 1: is much higher than what they currently have in place. 1863 01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,640 Speaker 1: UM And I think if given the opportunity of if 1864 01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,280 Speaker 1: coach O came available, I don't think that they would 1865 01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,080 Speaker 1: hire him even now, because I don't necessarily can keep 1866 01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:05,560 Speaker 1: you the best fit for what they have going on 1867 01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,920 Speaker 1: right there, and he they don't. They want somebody that 1868 01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,200 Speaker 1: looks the part that is that is the problem. But 1869 01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,360 Speaker 1: we want to thank you guys for listening to the 1870 01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,880 Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles podcast. You guys already know. If you 1871 01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:21,000 Speaker 1: guys want to hit us up, send it to I'm 1872 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:24,639 Speaker 1: mad at Unafraid show dot com. We appreciate your time, 1873 01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:26,800 Speaker 1: we appreciate your energy. Make sure that you share the 1874 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:31,840 Speaker 1: podcast with a friend. Thanks a lot, peace out. Catch 1875 01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:33,080 Speaker 1: you guys on Thursday.