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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: How many times have you or someone in your family

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Speaker 2: ordered Uber Eats or a grub hub or a door dash,

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Speaker 2: especially during COVID. It was a habit that seemed to

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Speaker 2: be well now ingrained in the way many people live.

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Speaker 3: But what about the drivers.

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Speaker 2: Today we bring you the true life story of a

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Speaker 2: young door dash woman who was brutally kidnapped, sex assaulted,

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Speaker 2: and then when her family tried to save her, the

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Speaker 2: perp open fire, opens fire on her family. I'm Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: at Fox Station and Sirius x sem one eleven.

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Speaker 3: First of all, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: It happened around eleven Tuesday night. A woman in her

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Speaker 4: early twenties was walking up to the Residence Inn near

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Speaker 4: International Plaza to make a door dash delivery. That's when

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Speaker 4: a man approached her with a gun and demanded cash.

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Speaker 5: When she couldnt produce the cash, the suspect pushed that

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Speaker 4: He made her drive to the Belerra Lakes apartments on

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Speaker 4: Waterford Avenue, about six and a half miles away from

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Speaker 4: the hotel, where he.

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Speaker 2: Sexually assaulted her number one first thing, Never get in

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Speaker 2: the car. Never get in the car. You think it's

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Speaker 2: bad outside the car, it gets worse inside the car,

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Speaker 2: and statistics bear that out.

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Speaker 3: First of all.

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Speaker 2: Joining us doctor Jeff Kalichewski, forensic psychologist, author of Dark Sides,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kalichewski, Agree or disagree? What Once you're in

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Speaker 2: the car, you are totally under their control. A person

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Speaker 2: that's already pulled a gun on you, a person that's

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Speaker 2: already threatened you, robbed you. What do you think is

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Speaker 3: Nothing good?

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Speaker 2: You're very likely going to be sex assaulted and then martyred.

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Speaker 6: You're absolutely right, Nancy, Never get in the car. A

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Speaker 6: person like those who abducts others, has an intent for

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Speaker 6: sexual assault. That is sort of the first step of

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Speaker 6: their crime. They get you into the car.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Mangino also joining us in addition to doctor Jeff Kalichewski.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer author of the Executioner's Toll,

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Speaker 2: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and

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Speaker 2: executions of forty six persons in the us. You had

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Speaker 2: me at last meal, Matthew Mangino. But jumping off of

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Speaker 2: what doctor Jeff has just said, once you're the car,

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Speaker 2: it's over, you might as well sign your own death warrant.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean, there's no question that once you

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Speaker 7: get into the vehicle, you're under the complete control of

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Speaker 7: the perpetrator. At that point, obviously you're faced with someone

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Speaker 7: who's pointing a gun at you, who's trying to push you.

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Speaker 8: Into the car.

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Speaker 7: It's not easy to make that decision. Well, you know

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Speaker 7: I'm going to run? Is he going to shoot me?

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Speaker 7: You know, you're hoping that maybe if I cooperate, this

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Speaker 7: person isn't going to harm me. But that's an unrealistic

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Speaker 7: you may never get out alive.

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Speaker 2: Very strong chances. Matthew Minjino, you're absolutely correct. But following

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Speaker 2: up on that with me former police chief and former

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Speaker 2: sheriff also served US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, now

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Speaker 2: private investigator and Dan Coursantino dot com.

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Speaker 3: Dan, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: But when I hear what Matthew Mangino is saying, and

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Speaker 2: I have dealt with so many victims someone like this

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Speaker 2: that survived a kidnapp and a rape and brutal torture.

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Speaker 2: because you know, you watch the movies, there's always a

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Speaker 2: in the back of these victims head heads. When they're

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And as other two gentlemen just stated, most of

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Speaker 9: these individuals, it's an unsuspecting situation. The last thing they

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Speaker 2: A beautiful young door dash delivery person. It starts with

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Speaker 2: much worse. Joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk.

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Speaker 3: Where did this happen?

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Speaker 2: Is it in a rural area outside of Tampa? Is

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Speaker 2: What do you know, Alexis Toeschuk, is.

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Speaker 10: An area near the Tampa Airport, so the Tampa International Airport.

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Speaker 10: So not a rural area, not a suburban area, but

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Speaker 10: So she was making a delivery at the residen's end.

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Speaker 10: So that's a hotel, you know, but a residence, and

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Speaker 10: people could be staying there for a lot longer. They

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Speaker 10: could be people not that are just in town, you know,

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Speaker 10: So it's a busy area, you know, travelers in and out.

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Speaker 2: Wait right there, right there, Elysis Tereschuk walking around at

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock at night.

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Speaker 3: You know what I.

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Speaker 2: Don't like, Alexis is when the victim is blamed. Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's her fault. She was walking around at eleven o'clock

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Speaker 2: at night. No, that's not correct. She was walking around

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Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock at night. Not that it matters, but she.

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Speaker 3: Was doing her job.

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Speaker 2: You know how many times have we covered cases where

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Speaker 2: It was still daylight outside and she tried to get

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Speaker 2: She ended up dead, but she has been attacked for

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Speaker 2: being out jogging alone. And then there is Karina, remember Karina,

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Speaker 2: the Long Island jogger. She's attacked because she's beautiful, she's

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Speaker 10: And this is the thing. She was at work. She

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what that reminds me of Alexis trust

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Speaker 2: I was talking about Karina Karinavitronto, of course, the Long

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Speaker 2: She has been attacked for being beautiful. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: seen her picture? Well, of course you have, because we

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Speaker 10: As if Karina should have been owned only in like

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Speaker 10: her clothes were the reason why right.

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Speaker 2: Jogging along with a nun, a priest and a virgin

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Speaker 3: To protect her. Somehow, that's what it turned into, and

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Speaker 3: that's what's happening in this case.

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Speaker 2: In this case, the victim who we are not naming,

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Speaker 2: this young twenty something year old door dash woman. You

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Speaker 3: I doubt that very highly, Alexis Terraschuk.

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Speaker 10: You had a job to do. She's a responsible young

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Speaker 10: was taking a delivery to a hotel, a hotel well

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Amber O'Malley is joining us. You may not know her

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Speaker 2: name yet, but you will. A forensic nurse examiner expert

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Speaker 2: on sex abuse and assault. She has testified many many

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Speaker 3: Nurse O'Malley, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Have you noticed with all all of the women that

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Speaker 11: I see this every day and there's a lot of

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Speaker 11: and self shame, and unfortunately this causes women to delay

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Speaker 11: the recording. In some cases, they choose not to report

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Speaker 11: Going through that legal process can be very difficult for them,

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Speaker 11: and they just they don't want to have to tell

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Speaker 2: the chief victim was a kind of pre k teacher,

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Speaker 2: Julie Love. She went jogging, she was abducted, She was

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Speaker 2: never seen again. The case went cold. It was many, many,

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Speaker 2: many months later that some of her remains, including a

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Speaker 2: Young woman, was found near dumpster and that unfolded a

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Speaker 2: Haven's long story short, as it turned out, he had

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Speaker 2: many many rape and aggravated assault victims. And I remember

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Speaker 2: one woman in her culture, it was a dishonor to

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Speaker 2: have been raped. She was kidnapped a gunpoint, beaten, brutally

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Speaker 3: It's a miracle that she lived.

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Speaker 2: She never told her family, she never told her husband

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Speaker 2: her personal shame. And I remember sitting in the courtroom

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Speaker 3: Her husband was in the courtroom. She never told the

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Speaker 2: I mean I knew, because I knew there was DNA

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Speaker 11: Yes, I think we'd come a long way from an

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Speaker 2: I just recall this happening recently, was with Eliza Fletcher.

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Speaker 9: This case, well, absolutely Rarefully, if any time is the

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Speaker 5: We are currently investigating, actively investigating a kidnapping and sexual

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed that it's very difficult for some people

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Speaker 2: I say that very often the rate or the sex assault,

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Speaker 7: Why is that?

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Speaker 8: You know likely what this.

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Speaker 6: Scenario was that this started out to be a robbery,

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Speaker 2: You know what, it's really interesting that you said that,

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Speaker 2: What about it, doctor, Jeff? What's it about?

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Speaker 3: It's not about sex. We know that because the guy

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Speaker 2: With a girlfriend, a wife, uh, somebody, you pick a

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Speaker 3: So it's not about the sex, rape and robbery together.

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Speaker 6: This struck me when I went through the case, and

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Speaker 3: Guys, take a listen now to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 4: The DoorDash driver had her AirPods in and was talking

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Speaker 5: This incident appears to be a crime of opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Tampa Police need your help as they investigate a kidnapping

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Speaker 5: At this point, this subject is very dangerous. This is

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Speaker 13: This is a composite sketch of a man who kidnapped

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Speaker 5: This appears to be just the crime of opportunity. The

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Speaker 13: Within hours of the kidnapping and sexual assault. Another concerning

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Speaker 3: Number one, Why do people say it's just a crime

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Speaker 2: Just the woman is kidnapped, brutally raped, beaten, she's near death.

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Speaker 3: Her family tries to come save.

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Speaker 2: Her by tracking her iPhone, and the per opens fire

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Speaker 3: Why is that, Dan Corsontine, Nancy Jumpan, Please.

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Speaker 7: Yes, so, Nancy, I mean, you know I'm wondering the

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Speaker 7: same thing. You know, This idea of a crime of

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Speaker 7: opportunity certainly the object. This young woman just happened to

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Speaker 7: he's looking.

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Speaker 1: He's like a wolf.

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Speaker 3: Matthew Mangino searching for prey.

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Speaker 2: He's like the hyena at the watering hole in the savannah,

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Speaker 3: Joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: Lee and Newbecker CISSP digital forensics expert, President and CEO

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Speaker 2: of Enigma Forensics. You can find him at Leenewbecker dot com. Lee,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Another interesting facet.

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Speaker 3: Of this is that her fan she's on the phone.

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Speaker 2: She has a sixth sense, which I'll circle back to

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Speaker 2: everybody on on that. She has a sixth sense. So

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Speaker 2: she's on the phone with her family while she's making

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 2: I've called my ninety two year old mother when I'm

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Speaker 2: Double murder trial of Alex Murdogg and we had been

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Speaker 3: But it's a feeling, it's intuition.

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Speaker 2: And this young woman did the same thing because she

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Speaker 2: did that late Newbecker digital forensics expert. Because of that

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Speaker 2: one thing keeping her phone on during this ordeal, it

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Speaker 3: Lee?

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Speaker 8: Basically, she had key devices on her She had the airbuds,

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Speaker 2: Lee Neebecker with me, the CEO of Enigma Forensics, Inc.

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Speaker 2: And he has is an info security blogger at lee

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Speaker 2: COM's an incredible blog. By the way, you just said

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Speaker 2: something that a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of people don't know that earbuds are trackable as well. Explain.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, basically you choose to share your location with

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Speaker 8: You know, this technology can be used for good and

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Speaker 3: Well, you're right about that, lean you Becker. So FYI.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, when you're using your earbuds, obviously they are connected

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Speaker 3: They don't get the news.

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Speaker 2: Or podcasts or whatever you're listening to or music on

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Speaker 3: And we're seeing it more and more Newbecker.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing more and more cases cracked or at least

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Speaker 2: advanced because of tracking. Buy earbuds, buy cell phones, buy

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Speaker 3: Agree or disagree?

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Speaker 8: Lee agree. Some people even have their tags. They have

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Speaker 8: tags you can buy, and someone put one in their luggage.

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Speaker 8: Thieves stole their luggage from the airport, but they were

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Speaker 3: So the family now is trying to find this young woman.

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Speaker 2: And Alexis Tereshak I find it amazing that she had

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Speaker 2: the wherewithal to keep her phone turned on. And you

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Speaker 2: know where we saw that in Delphi, the case of

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Speaker 2: two gorgeous little girls, Liberty and Abigail, Libby and Abby.

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Speaker 3: Who keep their phone on. One of them keeps their

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Speaker 3: cell phone on in her pocket.

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Speaker 2: Therefore we hear the killer say down the hill, down

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Speaker 2: the hill, and they loop it for people to hear

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Speaker 2: that voice, and they take a picture of who we

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Speaker 2: believe to be the approaching them. The wherewithal this victim

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Speaker 2: had to keep her cell phone on is amazing. So

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Speaker 2: there's that, and there's the intuition Alexis Terraschuk that even

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Speaker 2: these two little girls knew something was wrong. They didn't

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Speaker 2: know what they need, but they knew something was wrong, and.

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Speaker 3: They recorded it. This door dash delivery woman had a

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Speaker 3: feeling and she kept her phone on. What about that,

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Speaker 3: Alexis Raschuk.

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Speaker 10: Well, this is exactly. So she is walking into work

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Speaker 10: dropping off the delivery. She is on her phone. This

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Speaker 10: man approaches her, scares her. This doesn't appears that this

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Speaker 10: was her delivery person, or this is not the person

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Speaker 10: that she was going to deliver food too, stops her,

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Speaker 10: startles her. So she is on the phone at this

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Speaker 10: time and it's her family with her girlfriend. And then

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Speaker 10: this man says, give me cash. He has a gun.

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Speaker 10: She tells them I don't have any money. I can't

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Speaker 10: do anything. So the person listening in knows immediately that

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Speaker 10: something is wrong.

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Speaker 3: You don't have any cash. I'm going to get something

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Speaker 3: out of this. In other words, I'm going to.

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Speaker 10: Rap you, exactly, a full threat. And so the family

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Speaker 10: hears that. They are so panicked they call the police.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, Alexis, now that you have your baby boy,

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Speaker 2: if you heard that going on in the back of

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Speaker 2: his self.

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Speaker 10: He does have a cell phone, right, No, he's a

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Speaker 10: little too young still, Yeah, you're.

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Speaker 2: Right, he's too And I ended up, as you know

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Speaker 2: this story, after the twins did not report back in

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Speaker 2: every twenty minutes at a high school football game they

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Speaker 2: were watching. I immediately got him a cell phone two

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Speaker 2: years too early, which has been a blessing and a curse.

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Speaker 2: That said, that tuition Alexis Tereschuk is talking about kicksin.

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Speaker 3: She leaves a cell phone.

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Speaker 8: On, but.

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Speaker 2: It's a double edged sore because his family ends up

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Speaker 2: getting fired on.

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Speaker 3: Which leads me to another point.

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Speaker 2: Dan Corzantino, former police chief and sheriff, You don't have any.

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Speaker 3: Money, so he rapes her. Are you surprised at all?

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Speaker 2: He has committed another crime on another woman and the

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Speaker 2: same radius, throwing the woman down by her backpack, beating

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Speaker 2: her and stealing from her.

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Speaker 3: He's surprised. He's like a wild animal on the loose.

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Speaker 7: Well, it all.

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Speaker 9: Started, as we said, with his intent, and his intent

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Speaker 9: was to commit a crime that evolved into a victimization

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Speaker 9: of this young lady. That was a door dash, and

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Speaker 9: when he wasn't satisfied, he did not reach a point

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Speaker 9: of self satisfaction, he proceeded onward and he wanted to

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Speaker 9: find another victim, and to that end, he did find

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Speaker 9: another victim and another crime, commit another violent crime, and

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Speaker 9: that is another.

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Speaker 1: Issue Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: Amber o'melly joining US forensic nurse examiner and expert on

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Speaker 3: sex abuse.

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Speaker 2: The second victim was grabbed by her backpack and thrown

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Speaker 2: on the ground, which is really easy to dis engage someone.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're helpless.

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Speaker 2: When they're grabbed by their backpack because they can't fight back.

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Speaker 2: And if you think about it, same mo the door

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Speaker 2: dash delivery lady in her early twenties, eleven o'clock. She's

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Speaker 2: got her hands full at the time with the food

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Speaker 2: at the time she's attacked. So we're seeing a common

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Speaker 2: theme where you become disabled because.

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Speaker 3: Of what you're carrying or what's attached to your body.

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Speaker 2: I mean I finally got to ambro mally when I

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Speaker 2: would go strekking through housing projects to find witnesses and

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Speaker 2: defendants and.

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Speaker 3: Sort of subpoenas I was hands free.

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Speaker 2: Had nothing in my hands at all ready to fight

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Speaker 2: back or make a run for it.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it certainly leaves a person vulnerable when they don't

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Speaker 11: have that physical capacity to protect themselves. Definitely see that.

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Speaker 3: Then you have a third felony, another violent crime. This

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Speaker 3: guy is a one man crime wave. Take a listen

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Speaker 3: to our friends Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 14: Little did Killens know that her family was actually tracking

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Speaker 14: her on her phone, so they follow it to Belura

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Speaker 14: Lakes where there was a confrontation. That's when things got

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Speaker 14: really crazy and pretty scary. A relative of the young

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Speaker 14: woman's friend was hit by a bullet. A few hours later.

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Speaker 14: Kill This accused of stealing the woman's backpack.

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Speaker 5: As of now, we are asking the community to look

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Speaker 5: around for video and we're asking the community's help and

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Speaker 5: identifying the suspect. We asked that you look at this

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Speaker 5: composite see if you identify this, can identify this suspect

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Speaker 5: and have any additional information that you can provide to

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Speaker 5: law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear more of Sergeant Andrew Hughes.

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Speaker 5: They were able to track her to this apartment car.

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Speaker 4: At that point, police said, the suspect fired multiple times

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Speaker 4: and struck a family member of.

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Speaker 1: The victim's rent.

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Speaker 5: He is armed and dangerous.

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Speaker 4: Police and released this composite sketch to the suspect. He

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Speaker 4: described as approximately six foot two and is in his

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Speaker 4: late twenties early thirties.

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Speaker 5: We have detectives within this special Victims unit working diligently

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Speaker 5: locating video to get him off the street so this

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Speaker 5: doesn't occur to somebody else.

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Speaker 3: You are hearing the police begging, begging for help. What

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Speaker 3: can you do?

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Speaker 2: This woman has a gun shoved in her face, She's

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Speaker 2: forced in a car, taken to a remote location and

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Speaker 2: brutally raped, beaten.

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Speaker 3: But that wasn't enough.

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Speaker 2: This guy then, after raping her, attacks another woman, grabbing

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Speaker 2: her by her backpack and beating her in the face savagely,

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Speaker 2: then opens fire on the rape victim's family, actually hitting them.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut twelve WFLA.

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Speaker 8: Trust in what you see, trust in what you feel.

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Speaker 7: That little bit of money that you're going to make

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Speaker 7: from that transaction isn't worth your life.

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Speaker 12: Self defense coach Brian Anderson Needham said, if things seem bad,

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Speaker 12: get out as fast as you can. If you need

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Speaker 12: to fight, be effective, not flashy.

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Speaker 7: The statistics drastically change for survival when you get transferred,

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Speaker 7: where you get transported or taken from one point to

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Speaker 7: the next.

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Speaker 12: Police also linked Killens to a robbery early Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 12: They said Killin's through a different woman to the ground,

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Speaker 12: then punched her and store her backpack. Killens is now

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Speaker 12: facing multiple charges including arm, sexual battery, armed kidnapping, and

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Speaker 12: robbery with a firearm. Then police did clarify it appears

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Speaker 12: Killens did not order the original DoorDash food that was coming.

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Speaker 12: They said that it appears this was a crime of opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's facing all those charges whenever he can be apprehended.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is not the first time that a

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Speaker 2: female delivery person has been attacked and murdered. Does the

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Speaker 2: name Ryan Munsey ring a bell to you, because it

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Speaker 2: does to me. Her case is stuck with me since

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Speaker 2: I first investigated it. Take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 2: sixteen our friends at NBC five.

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Speaker 15: Wife and mother of three small children, Ryan Grahammonzie was

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Speaker 15: working her Uber Eats delivery job Saturday night when she

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Speaker 15: was murdered, found in the breezeway of the Northern Cross

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Speaker 15: apartments in Halsham City. I believe she was delivering food

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Speaker 15: to somebody in that building. The thirty one year old

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Speaker 15: did not make it to the customer's door before she

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Speaker 15: was killed. A motive isn't being made public. Almost exactly

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Speaker 15: a month before Mundie's murder, another delivery driver was shot dead,

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Speaker 15: this time in West Dallas, an independent contractor delivering packages

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Speaker 15: for Amazon. According to family. Dallas police were called to

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Speaker 15: the twenty four hundred block of Leith Street on December

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Speaker 15: twenty third and found Allen shot and killed. A motive

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Speaker 15: is not yet known. Killer is also on.

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Speaker 2: The loose Matthew me and Gino joining US high profile

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Speaker 2: lawyer and former prosecutor Matthew Me and Gino. These cases

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Speaker 2: are sometimes very hard to prosecute because you can't find

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Speaker 2: the defendant.

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Speaker 3: You can't find suspect here.

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Speaker 2: The guy didn't order the pizza, he didn't order the

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Speaker 2: door dash order, he didn't live there. He was skulking

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Speaker 2: looking for a victim. So that makes it more difficult

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Speaker 2: to find the defendant.

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Speaker 7: It does, Nancy, But I'll tell you if I was

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Speaker 7: leading this investigation, it would be a number one priority

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Speaker 7: to find this person. I mean, you don't wake up

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Speaker 7: one morning and decide I'm going to rob and rape

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Speaker 7: and assault women and get involved in a shootout.

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Speaker 8: You're a dangerous person.

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Speaker 7: You've done this in the past and you're going to

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Speaker 7: do it in the future. So this has to be

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Speaker 7: priority one to find this guy and to get him

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Speaker 7: off the street as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 2: There is pandemonium in the community, with one attack after

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Speaker 2: the next after the next on women. It's a man hunt.

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Speaker 2: But take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 2: This is Ken Suarez.

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Speaker 14: It seems like these charges just keep on piling up

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Speaker 14: and piling up. A couple hours from now, he is

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Speaker 14: going to appear before judge for the first time for

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Speaker 14: two separate and very stunning crimes. Now Joseph Killin's was

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Speaker 14: the restaur on Friday night. Since that arrest, we learned

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Speaker 14: that he's also charged with an attack on another woman

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Speaker 14: that also happened at the Belora Lakes Apartments. Please say

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Speaker 14: that he pushed that woman in her forties down and

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Speaker 14: stole her backpack early Wednesday morning. That's the same location

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Speaker 14: where hours earlier he ended up after committing a series

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Speaker 14: of other crimes. He's accused of trying to hold up

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Speaker 14: a twenty year old woman working for door Dash. She

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Speaker 14: was making a delivery at a hotel in their International

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Speaker 14: a plaza last Tuesday night. Please say that he ended

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Speaker 14: up pushing her into the back of her car, taking off,

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Speaker 14: and eventually sexually assaulting her. All at gunpoint.

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Speaker 2: Alexis restat climb online dot Com investigative reporter. How do

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Speaker 2: cops finally apprehend him.

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Speaker 10: The second woman that was attacked that she was hit

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Speaker 10: from behind, he tried to scale her back. This is

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Speaker 10: at the same apartment complex where the woman was raped.

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Speaker 10: They get security footage of this man and then they

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Speaker 10: are able to identify him, and then they are able

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Speaker 10: to go and arrest him.

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Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting to Lee and Newbecker joining

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Speaker 2: US president CEO of Enigma Forensics.

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Speaker 3: This was not his first arrest, explain Lee.

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Speaker 8: A long time ago, back in two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 8: he was charged with attacking an assaulting a police officer,

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Speaker 8: So that was his first felony. Then more recently there's

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Speaker 8: another three cases that had been filed against him. On

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Speaker 8: the twenty second, April twenty second, he had tea cases

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Speaker 8: filed against him, and they released him on home monitoring

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Speaker 8: and then he went out and he struck again. So

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Speaker 8: we really have to ask why aren't we putting violent

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Speaker 8: criminals and locking them up and instead letting them out

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Speaker 8: of the streets. Someone's going to attack the police officer

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Speaker 8: and then they sexually assault someone. That's someone that should

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Speaker 8: be locked up in jail.

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Speaker 2: Not released, Lee Newbecker, you cannot be more correct. So

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Speaker 2: this guy that is caught on camera and one of

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Speaker 2: these attacks on women, who brutally rapes and beats savagely another.

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Speaker 3: Woman, a twenty year old DoorDash delivery.

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Speaker 2: Lady, then opens fire on her family with a gun,

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Speaker 2: striking one of them. He has a history, Lee Neubecker,

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00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: is enlightening us. He attacked a cop and then had

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00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: more crimes on women, and they put him on home monitoring.

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Speaker 2: Now he's out loose, wandering around and finds another string

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Speaker 2: of victims. Alexis Tereschuk, he's due in court. What's happening

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Speaker 2: in the arrayment?

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Speaker 10: It is an arrayment? Well, he has asked the judge

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Speaker 10: to release him on bond, and the thing that is

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Speaker 10: the judge has said she's going to make a decision

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Speaker 10: in another day, but she laid.

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Speaker 16: Out a lot of rules for him if he is

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Speaker 16: to be released, and they were not don't commit any

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Speaker 16: more crimes, follow the law they were, do not contact bctim,

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Speaker 16: and do not contact this victim family.

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Speaker 3: Why are they even putting conditions?

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Speaker 2: Why are they even toying with the idea of letting

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Speaker 2: this guy who has such a long history of attacking women.

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Speaker 3: Why would they even consider letting it.

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Speaker 2: Why don't they just make a condition, now, you be

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Speaker 2: a good boy, okay, and don't run off and rape

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Speaker 2: another woman.

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Speaker 3: Okay, We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,