1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Yetty. 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: Gallaine Maxwell's attorneys praised Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: the Justice Department for meeting with her in person today 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: not far from that prison, at a federal courthouse in Tallahassee. 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: And while the DJ is not commenting on what was said, 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: Maxwell's attorney gave us some details. 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 3: He took a full day and asked a lot of questions, 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: and Miss Maxwell answered every single question. She never stopped, 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: She never invoked a privilege, she never declined to answer. 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: She answered all the questions truthfully, honestly, and to the 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: best of her ability. 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell, you answered all the questions about being a pedophile. 15 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Why is she being asked questions? Is this part of 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: the digging into the Epstein thing, which is now, as 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, the longest running scandal in either of 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: Trump's terms. But what scandal I don't know. Well, here's 19 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: proof that it is a scandal, because I think a 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: scandal that only reaches a scandal if like both sides 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: are involved, because if it's just the other side, you know, 22 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: there's always each side's always trying to get a scandal going, 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: but you have to buy in from both sides, or 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: at least a little bit. Well there is as of yesterday, 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: so Trump has been saying this, it's all been a 26 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: big hoax. 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: It's perpetrated by the Democrats, and some stupid Republicans and 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 4: foolish Republicans fall into the net. 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: Trump has been saying that all week long, actually started 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: last week. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Stupid Republicans are falling for it. It's a hoax. The 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House was asked yesterday, is it a hoax? 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 5: Well, I've never seen the Epstein evidence. It wasn't in 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 5: my lane. But I have the same concern and question 35 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 5: that a lot of people do. And look, I think 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 5: the presidence is not a hoax. In other words, comes 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 5: not a hoax. 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: Of course, on the Speaker of the House saying it's 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: not a hoax, from the President's talking points all week long, 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: including five minutes ago outside of the White House, is 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: it's a hoax? It seems like it's something to me 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: politically yeah, not that not there's Epstein stuff, but politically. 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: No, well it ought too except for the guiding principle. 44 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 4: These days, Trump says a lot of crap. He'll say 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 4: something different today. 46 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: Well, so I was listening to Chris Steierwaldt. You know, 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: remember him, We've had him on the show before. He's 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: a pretty good pundit around stuff politics. He's on News 49 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: Nation now is that where he does his thing? And 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I think that's where anyway, he said, this is our 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: first glimpse at kind of a post Trump world. That 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: this wouldn't have happened like last term, where people would 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: have broken with what he was saying. If he, you know, 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: either overtly or suggestively, had said this is how we're 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: going to treat this story, everybody would have gotten in line. 56 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: And they're not on the Epstein thing because he's you know, 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: you keep saying he's done. I mean, he's not running 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: for any more elections. Yeah. Well, and the problem is, again, 59 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: this thing is so slippery. 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: What are you talking when you say the Epstein and 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: I have no idea I have you know, suggested there 62 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 4: are about four levels of what you believe was going 63 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 4: on there from the I'll just have the Epstein no 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: sides plays to the full Epstein platter, which includes the 65 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: Jews and Masade running the world and. 66 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: The Tucker Carlson fever dream version of Michelle Obama's a man. Well, 67 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: that maybe part of it, but it's not really anyway. 68 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: So when you talk about the Epstein thing, what are 69 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: you even talking about. 70 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: It's entirely possible. 71 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: Trump is talking about the maximalist version of this, and 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: and Johnson, if that is his real name, is talking 73 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: about the fact that there were quite a number of 74 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 4: underage girls who are sexually molested and very very few 75 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: powerful people who enjoyed their perversions have been brought to 76 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: justice for it. If that's what you're talking about, then 77 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 4: of course that's not a hoax. 78 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Well, let's listen to our old friend David Drucker this 79 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: morning on Morning Joe, and he was talking about how 80 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: and we got the clip, but it's quite long. There's 81 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: nothing there. So the Trump administration has looked into this 82 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: the same. I mean, if there was something there that 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: hurt Republican gerald think they would have released it during 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: the Biden term and vice versa. So there's there's not 85 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: anything there. And they're trying to figure out, how do 86 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: we exit from this situation? How do we get out 87 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: of this deal? Right? And I don't know how you 88 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: get out of this deal without saying, without just coming 89 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: completely cleaning, coming out and saying, and this might be 90 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: the best thing. If Dan Bongino or whoever came out 91 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: and said, look, I made up all kinds of course, 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: you lose a lot of voters that way. You really would? 93 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that would piss me off if I had 94 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: voted on the Epstein story, the traffic half children, egg 95 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: don constantly, Yeah, and you told me I was just 96 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: I was just exaggerating all that to get you to vote. 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: F you. I'm never voting for you again, right. 98 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. I would agree, Which is you know, 99 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: it's one of the hazards Trump brought into his cabinet, 100 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 4: into his White House, some fairly sketchy characters, maybe not 101 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: at their in their hearts. They might be doing just 102 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 4: terrific work now in the government serving the people of 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 4: the United States, but they made their living in a 104 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 4: world of sensationalistic click bait, intense competition for eyes and ears. 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: Oh boy, it's got some numbers. 106 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 4: The other day on one of your more egregious paranoid 107 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: click baits, you know, bulless pandering podcasters, and this guy's 108 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: getting rich with that garbage. 109 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: Oh Trump. So Trump just said, I'm sure we'll have 110 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: the clips later. They're asking him all about Epstein. Of course, 111 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: he's standing at getting ready to go somewhere. He said, 112 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: why don't you talk to Bill Clinton? You need to 113 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: talk more about Clinton. He went to the island twenty 114 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: eight times. So, oh boy, oh my god, what this 115 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: story this is? Well, it's not over today. It's the 116 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: longest scandal so far in Trump's presidencies, and it ain't 117 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: over today because he's just made new news that will 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: make the news this evening. What's so interesting. 119 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: About it, though, is is the Democrats are not accusing 120 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: him of anything other than failing to release everything right 121 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: they knehich they could have done and did not do 122 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 4: for a very long time. So the whole thing is 123 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 4: just confused and phony to me. You keep saying it's 124 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: the longest running. 125 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Scandal, but it's an inch deep. Nothing here true. But 126 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: it has been toward the lead. If it doesn't get 127 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: bumped off the lead by Ozzy Osbourne or Hulk Hogan 128 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: we were a dumb country. It has been toward the 129 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: lead stories every single day for what going on two weeks. 130 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: And if I might contradict myself, if it loses Republicans 131 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 4: a boatload of voters, that's significant. That is something quick. 132 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: A couple of quick thoughts. I promise you, Steve from 133 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: Everett Washington in an email, Guys, I think I can 134 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 4: distill down many of your comments from last three episodes 135 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 4: to resolve as Epstein nonsense predicates. Number One, the dog 136 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: a late leaks like a sieve and always has air go. 137 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: If Trump was implicated that Biden DOJ would have become 138 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: involved withdiclous, would not have become involved with ridiculous cases 139 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: brought by the New York AG and the Georgia AG. 140 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: Good, they would have nailed them with the Epstein's two. 141 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 4: Also, if prominent Democrats were implicated, we would know about 142 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: this from the Trump DOJ. One paranoid counter argument might 143 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 4: be Trump can't do that because he's implicated too. 144 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't believe for a minute he is. I don't 145 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: think so either, but yeah, that is a decent counter argument. Three, 146 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: If the. 147 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 4: Clandestine Yeah, if the clandestine services are involved, the work 148 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: product of Epstein Island is an intelligence asset. They're doing 149 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: a hell of a job protecting it from the doj ergo. 150 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 4: There's nothing to see here. Conclusion. The people who are 151 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: being protected are those who are protected by law victims, 152 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: grand jury witnesses, and testimony given by prosecutors without defense 153 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: council presence. 154 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: Well, whoever wrote that is clearly part of the cover up. Okay, 155 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: probably say that I'm leaving. I know, I know, I know. 156 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: This is the oddest scandal using my finger quotes we've 157 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: ever covered, because what the hell is it? 158 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: Is it the ultimate Internet age scan? It might be 159 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 4: the ultimate social media age scandal. 160 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Maybe that's where the story is that the future is 161 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: going to include completely imagined storylines that everybody then reacts to. 162 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Right right, They were created by someone on Twitter at 163 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: some point. 164 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I read a great example of Tucker doing 165 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 4: what Tucker does, which is to give you a couple 166 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: of facts, then confidently state how they are obviously proof 167 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: of something and they're clearly connected, and anybody who doesn't 168 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 4: think so is a liar or an idiot blah blah blah. 169 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: And if you look at those facts, you think, no, 170 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 4: that's not proof of anything, and no, they're not necessarily linked. 171 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: And you're you're begging the question, and you're just pronouncing 172 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 4: your view right in a way that tends to lead 173 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 4: fools along quite effectively. 174 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: Anyway. So here's here's the scenario. I was thinking about 175 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: this earlier. 176 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: You're telling your friend, Yeah, these scumbags smashed in my window. 177 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: Luckily the alarm system went off and they only got 178 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: my laptop and some of my wife's jewelry. 179 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: So or okay. 180 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 4: Imagine a security system, simply Safe home Security with their 181 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 4: new active guard outdoor protection that would have stopped the 182 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: break in before it happened. With the AI powered cameras 183 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: and live monitoring agents, they can detect suspicious activity and 184 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: tell the scumbag to f off. 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Slander. 206 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 4: I'm trying to come up with the word irresponsible. Yeah yeah, 207 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: mockery would be good. Yeah yeah, really regrettable. I'll walk 208 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: back a little bit of that. 209 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm seeing they're going big on, for instance, the CBS 210 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: News up there remembering Hulk Hogan. No love for Chuck 211 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: By and Joni who died the same day. 212 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 4: Okay, he could flugle his horn like nobody else. I 213 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 4: mean it's a fine horn player. He had hit like 214 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: fifty years ago. Yes, and was on King of the 215 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 4: Hill a couple of times. 216 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: As I understand it, today's the sixtieth anniversary, one of 217 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: the biggest music events ever. We'll mention that later, among 218 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: other things. What's the one thing we're gonna tease? We're 219 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: gonna see something big? 220 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 4: I know I had Woodstock with no one wants Elvis 221 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: has comeback special The Beatles, Sergeant Pepper and Louis Armstrong 222 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 4: first decided to blow into a I don't let me 223 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 4: think about that fifty sixty years ago. 224 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: You said, yeah, mab be nineteen sixty five, there's a hint. 225 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: They just made a giant movie about it, won a 226 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: bunch of awards. Anyway, we got a lot more news 227 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: on the way stay here. 228 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 6: A great grandson of fascist dictator Benito Mussolini has joined 229 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 6: a soccer team in Italy and said this week that 230 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 6: his last name quote bothers other people more than me. 231 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 6: Same said his teammate Joey Hitler Cosby. 232 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: Ah, I don't coming up. Yes, I don't want to 233 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: remember the names of lots of bad people, like we 234 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: talked about with that guy in Idaho. I haven't memorized 235 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: his name I've been able to avoid that, and I'm 236 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: hoping to continue that. I don't want names like that 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: taking up space. Sub human scumbag. 238 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 4: We had an interesting conversation about his sentencing the hearing 239 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: the Plea Bargain with the fabulous judge Larry Katie's dad yesterday. 240 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: Follow up information. 241 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 4: I think some of the quote unquote unanswered questions about 242 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 4: the scumbag and why the plea Bargain unfolded the way 243 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 4: it did are are pretty answerable now. So that follow 244 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: up coming up in a few minutes, and I'm really 245 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: looking forward in our three to a fabulous executive producer, 246 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 4: Mike Hanson taking us in a little show and tell 247 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: how he comes up with these unbelievable, amusing songs via AI. 248 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Speaking of AI, is AI going to ruin the world, 249 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: or at least change it in such ways it's unrecognizable, 250 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: which would be disrupting and frightening for a lot of 251 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: people or not. Who knows. Nobody knows. Was listening to 252 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: another podcast with one of your top AI experts on 253 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: it the other day, and he made an interesting point 254 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: about how a number of technologies have grown in the 255 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: last century and then stopped all of a sudden in 256 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: ways that nobody predicted, and he used a couple of examples, 257 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: Moore's law being a really good one. Moore's law being 258 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: that computing power doubled every eighteen months, and it did 259 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: for like fifty years, forty years, fifty years, something like that, 260 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: long beyond anybody thought it would. It just kept doubling 261 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: in speed computing power. It got smaller and faster, smaller 262 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: and faster, doubling every eighteen months for like fifteen years, 263 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: fifty years, with everybody predicting that, well, those days are over, 264 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: and just kept going until a couple of years ago. 265 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: And now it takes about three and a half years 266 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: for computing power to double, but nobody knows why. And 267 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: this AI expert use the example of flight. So the 268 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: right Brothers flew in nineteen oh three, and then extraordinary, 269 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: the exponential improvements were made in flying planes until about 270 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: the fifties, and then it stopped. Now and we're doing 271 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: basically the same thing as we did in the fifties 272 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: now with just slight changes jet engines and the way 273 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: the plane is built and everything like that, and the 274 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: speeds that they flew and all that has stayed the same. 275 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: For flying, and nobody saw, nobody saw the exponential change, 276 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and then nobody saw it all of a sudden stopping 277 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: in the fifties. I mean, if you had gone on 278 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the if you'd looked at a graph from nineteen oh 279 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: three to like nineteen fifty six, whenever the jet engine 280 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: became popular or whatever, you'd have thought, well, by twenty 281 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: twenty five, will be flying around the world in two 282 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: seconds or something, right, sure, Yeah, And he said the 283 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: universal principle of as good as it gets. Yeah. And 284 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: his point was that AI may very well be like that, 285 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: that we hit a maximum next year for reasons nobody 286 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: quite understands, and it just doesn't go beyond that. Everybody's 287 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: assuming that it will continue to get so much better 288 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: at the crazy pace that it has been doing. I 289 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: thought that was an interesting argument from a very, very 290 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: smart guy who, by the way, has invested gazillions of 291 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: dollars in AI and is hoping that's not true. 292 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 7: Yeah. 293 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: I think a lot of things, including technology, are like 294 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: the great game of golf in that I can, and 295 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 4: I'm not even a certified teacher, I can get you 296 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 4: from shooting one hundred and fifty to one hundred and 297 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: ten in about a week. I can get you down 298 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 4: to ninety and probably a few weeks. 299 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Go from ninety to eighty is. 300 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: Going to take a year, year and a half, depending 301 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 4: on how talented your blah blah blah. As you get 302 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 4: closer to the top of the pyramid of perfection, incremental 303 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: gains get more and more difficult and expensive, i'd imagine. 304 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but your example is predictable. These other ones are 305 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: not at all or haven't been, so who knows when 306 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: the peaks. Yeah, I hope soon. I don't want great 307 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: disruption for the last quarter of my life. 308 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: It'll be crazy to watch, for sure, and I will 309 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: worry a great deal about my kids. Yes, another reason 310 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: I saved my pennies. A couple of great emails on 311 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: this topic. In nick rights, we're all astounded by the 312 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 4: fact that the FDA or whatever it was in that 313 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 4: study AI made up studies as part of its rationale 314 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 4: for something we're confused about why it would do that. 315 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 4: It was trained on a lot of academic work rights. 316 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: It is recognized better than the rest of us that 317 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 4: in that setting, if you want to make a point 318 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: and don't have substantive evidence, it's acceptable to just invent it. 319 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 4: We hear stories all the time about traditional researchers having 320 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 4: effectively hallucinated data support that are to support their ends 321 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: all the time. 322 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: Or. 323 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: What do they call that? Where you reproduce a study 324 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: the ability education replication scandal of the last however many years, 325 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: that you can't replicate hardly any of these studies. AI 326 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: quite possibly picked up on that, Oh you don't have 327 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: to be able to prove you can actually do it. Okay, 328 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: Well I'll just make one of them then, and maybe 329 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: we'll get to this later. 330 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: A great point being made that we have to stop 331 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 4: anthrow pomorphosizing AI. It's hard calling using human terms to 332 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 4: describe them and what they do and when they go wrong. 333 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: It's an intriguing thought. We'll get to that eventually, have 334 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: no doubt. So Joe's got some new insight on side 335 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: of a human scumbag. Sub human scumbag, that's what we'll 336 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: call them. The dude up in Idaho. If you miss 337 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: a segment and get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on 338 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: demand Armstrong. 339 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 7: And Getty, Where is the murder weapon? The clothes you 340 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 7: wore that night? What were Kaylee's last words? If you're 341 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 7: really smart do you think you'd be here right now 342 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 7: if you hadn't attacked them in their sleep in the 343 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 7: middle of the night like a pedophile. Kaylee would have 344 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 7: kicked your ass. 345 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, sub human scumbag in Idaho now 346 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 4: serving what the prosecutor described as a life and death 347 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 4: prison sentence for consecutive life sentences with no chance for 348 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 4: parole plus another ten years. Just a little paradoxical, but 349 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: I get the point. Had an interesting conversation with Judge 350 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 4: Larry Larry Goodman Katie's Dead yesterday about the case and 351 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 4: certain aspects of it, including the fact that the plea 352 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 4: bargain had not required sub humans comebag to explain why 353 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 4: he did it and the other aspects of the crime 354 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 4: in a way that plea bargains often do. 355 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: Do you think he could explain why he did it? 356 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's an interesting question, and why the prosecutor 357 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: didn't demand that coming up in a minute, because he's 358 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 4: actually they've actually spoken to that. But now that it's done, 359 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 4: they've released tons and tons of files from the investigation 360 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: and some of the major takeaways, some of them are horrific. 361 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: The nature of the injuries and that sort of thing. 362 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: It's just and we're not going to get into that. 363 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 4: One of the victims reported seeing an unknown man watch 364 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: her while she walked her dog. A few weeks before 365 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 4: the murders. She told her roommate, who lived and related 366 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: the story to detectives, that there was a creepy guy 367 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: on the hill above and behind their house watching her. 368 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 4: A couple of weeks later, the roommates found their front 369 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 4: door damaged. And then there are various aspects of how 370 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 4: scumbag committed the crime, which is not that interesting, irrelevant, 371 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 4: But here's the part. 372 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: That I think is significant. 373 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: They mentioned before his conviction, the scumbag got on other 374 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 4: inmates nerves. According to files. One called him an effing weirdo. 375 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 4: Boasted to a female prisoner that he would it would 376 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 4: have beat him up if he wasn't worried about the repercussions. 377 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: He's just a complete creep, showed signs of aggression. 378 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: Here's the interesting part. 379 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: So he was studying for a PhD in criminology at 380 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: Washington State in Pullman, which is rhetoric cross the border 381 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 4: from where the crimes happened, and a colleague told police 382 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: he believed scumbag attempted to quote attempted to use his 383 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 4: authority as a TA teacher's assistant teaching assistant to inappropriately 384 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: interact with female students. He said scumbag often talked about 385 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 4: wanting a girlfriend, that they discussed this topic on quote 386 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 4: many occasions. 387 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: Wow, so he's basically he's got a bit of an 388 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: in cell thing. Then, yeah, exactly. 389 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 4: And the same witness told investigators he noticed injuries on 390 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 4: Scumbag's face and hands on at least two separate occasions, 391 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 4: and he made up weird excuses about why he had 392 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 4: what appeared to be defensive wounds on his hands and 393 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: face that looked like scratches. So, and I think it's 394 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 4: it's pretty clear because the female victims were very attractive 395 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 4: young women, that it was a combination of, you know, 396 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 4: un fulfilled lust. 397 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: Resentment, anger that they're not interested in him or women 398 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: like that aren't interested in. 399 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 4: Him, exactly, and a narcissistic idea that he, the great 400 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 4: expert in criminal justice, could get away with murder. Yeah. 401 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: I guess we are all to speak for myself, our 402 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: outliers on this whole motive thing. Always with school shooters 403 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: or this guy or whatever the motive is, they're insane 404 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: people the grasp on to something that insane people grasp 405 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: onto specifically kill people, you know, specifically to draw attention 406 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: to the plight of the Palestinians or something like that. 407 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: It's always just insane people. 408 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't use the term insane, but I know 409 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: what you mean. It's angry, selfish people who have lost 410 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 4: their grasp of proportion. I guess they perceive reality, but 411 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: they and they think they are justified in doing something 412 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 4: utterly unstifiable. 413 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: I guess to me, and I realize I'm an outwire 414 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: apparently because people the news media kinds are still no 415 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: known motive. I just feel like there's no answer that 416 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: would satisfy that, So I don't ask the question. Right, Yeah, 417 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: I would. 418 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: Agree, I would agree, and it's forming up, but it's 419 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 4: it's close enough again, angry coward decides they want to die, 420 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 4: and they're gonna take out their anger on a bunch 421 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 4: of innocent people. 422 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: You don't need the specifics, no, and doesn't let's lessen 423 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: your pain or the harm to society to get I 424 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: just don't understand. And so finally, where is that? I guess, 425 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: may you know, I can understand why it's horribly painful, 426 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: that there was no reason that your loved one was 427 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: taken from you other than the guy's brain doesn't work right, right, 428 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: here's one or yeah, he had just descended into a 429 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: level of bitterness which killed is human, That's the way 430 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: I would put it. So there's a crime expert being 431 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: quoted on Fox News. He says, the biggest questions, why 432 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: did he target that house, What connection did he have 433 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: to any of the victims, What was his motive for 434 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: the killings? The prosecution has no ideas and does not 435 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: seem all that interested in finding out. I respectfully disagree. 436 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: I think they have come to a similar conclusion as 437 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: what I was describing. And one of the prosecutors, and 438 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I've got the quote here somewhere, but I can characterize 439 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: it essentially said that, oh, there he goes. The county 440 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: prosecutor said, part of the reason he offered the deal 441 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: that did not require Colberger scumbag to explain himself, was 442 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: because he thought the mass murder would just lie in 443 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: an effort to further traumatize the victim's family. Sure, and 444 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: the hint is they had a pretty good idea what 445 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: sort of scumbag they're dealing with and having him offer 446 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: some rambling, self justifying, stupid you know, reason in his 447 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: crazy head. 448 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: And I'm the guy who just said he's not crazy, 449 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 4: he's just evil. There's no point that possibly cause you 450 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: more pain, not less, right, Yeah, just. 451 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: Lock him away. Yeah. 452 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: Humans are desperate for patterns and reasons because the idea 453 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: of random evil that could not have been anticipated and 454 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 4: we cannot avoid in the future is too terrifying for people. 455 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: Well, it'd be overwhelming if you believed it was very 456 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: likely to happen to you. Luckily. The reason, like I 457 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: said yesterday, the reason this story gets so much attention, 458 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: or these stories, they're so rare. 459 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: Thank god, rot in your cage, sub human scum and 460 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 4: condolences to the poor, poor families. 461 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: Anyway, enough of that, Michael. Do we have transition music? Andy? 462 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: I need it. I need it desperately. Never mind the audience. 463 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: I need it. What about my need music that will 464 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: wipe our brains clean of what we just talked about. 465 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: I wish I'd learned to play the sacks. It's too 466 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: late now. Which one's the low ones, the alto sax, 467 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: the lower sex? Well, no, the baritone sax is the 468 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: lowest lowes. Your tenor, than your alto, than your soprano 469 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: usually have its usually tenors and altos. And the jazz 470 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: bands I watched them, Yeah, this is a tenor. I 471 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: told you. 472 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 4: Tenner sax is the one that really has the honk in, 473 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 4: like in the same range as a human voice, sexy 474 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 4: note bending. 475 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: I love that sound. Yeah, it's cool. Uh, I don't 476 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: think I talked about this jazz band that I went 477 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: to see in New York City so my kids. I 478 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: got away from my kids for an hour during my 479 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: vacation and I went and watched this a jazz band 480 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: at a jazz club in on the Upper West Side, 481 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: and it was very cool. It's just like you would 482 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: picture this sort of thing straight out of a movie, 483 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: tiny little place, sitting at tables and them playing jazz 484 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: like you've heard your whole life up there. And the 485 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: thing that struck me is how freaking old these people were. 486 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: Getting back to the theme of you might be you 487 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: might not be able to walk or talk or remember 488 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: what you put your car keys, but apparently as if 489 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: you got any musical talent, that continues. I mean, these 490 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: guys were freaking old. They had to be all in 491 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: their eighties, but just wailing on saxophone, trumpet, piano, trombone. 492 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean it was just fantastic. Ah, that sounds great, 493 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: sound jealous. It just blows my mind that that that 494 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: is a cool thing. Yeah. Uh, Anyway, I gotta admit, though, 495 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: I'm a big jazz fan, Like I've been a jazz 496 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: fan for what ten years now or something like, that's huge. 497 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: I just absolutely love it, gangod enough, But I'm not 498 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: certain I could tell great from bad, let alone pretty 499 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: good from excellent. Oh yeah, there's. 500 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 4: The great trombone Joey Legend, oh elephant, one of these 501 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: guys who get long done with like a five minute 502 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 4: trombone or a trumpet solo. 503 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: And I would think, do I know if that was 504 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: great or not? I don't. 505 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 4: I don't really know, but you know, it satisfied me. Yeah, 506 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm reliving all sorts of musical memories. I'll 507 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 4: leave it alone. But no, I see your point exactly absolutely. 508 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 4: Speaking of the stages of life, there's a new trend 509 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 4: in parenting, because everything's got to be a trend and 510 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: everything's got to have a name. Apparently, goodbye gentle parenting. 511 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: Parent saying not parroting Goodbye gentle parenting, Hello, f around 512 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 4: and find out, which is kind of like the entire 513 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: history of human parenting making a. 514 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Comeback, right, Yeah, I want to hear this. That sounds 515 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: like what they're doing in Europe. We've talked about that 516 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: a little bit and certainly sounds like a better direction 517 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: than we have been going. So yeah, we've got that 518 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: on the way. Also, we got a fun thing an 519 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: hour three. Our executive producer Mike Hanson's spent a fair 520 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: amount of time learning how to make songs with AI 521 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: and he's gonna explain to us how you go about 522 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: doing that if you want to make a song for 523 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: your anniversary or your you know, your your dad's birthday 524 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's not that hard from what I understand. 525 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: Watching Hands will play you some of the hilarious examples exactly. 526 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: So we got that in hour three. Stay here. Kamala 527 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Harris is ex lover Willie Brown. 528 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: Doesn't think she can successfully campaign for California governor. 529 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: And it's better suited for a legal role. 530 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 4: Well that's a good thing she loves buses because she 531 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: just got. 532 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: Thrown under one. Yeah, you could have been worse, believe me. 533 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: Willie Brown doesn't think she can win. Yeah, well, I 534 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: don't know. 535 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: That's why he's one of the most successful politicians in 536 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 4: the history of for instance, cal Unicornia, because he's a 537 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 4: smart guy. 538 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: We'll have to ask former Little League star Joe Getty 539 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: his opinion on the hot topic of Little League across 540 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: America bat flipping. Are you okay with it or not? 541 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: Various kids getting kicked out of games are suspended from 542 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: the league for flipping their bat after a home run. 543 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: I have a hot take for you. I want to 544 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: hear it. If you can handle it, Jee, I think 545 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: I can. 546 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 4: Also, as I've said many times, Trump makes me insane 547 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 4: on a lot of topics. I think the tariff thing 548 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 4: is is just dopey. I'm not digging it at all. 549 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 4: On the other hand, the progress that's being made in 550 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 4: rolling back the horrific child abuse that is gender affirm 551 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 4: and care, the progress being made is amazing and it's 552 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: saving thousands of kids from this terrible experimenting on their body. 553 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 4: It's wonderful and we'll talk about that more next hour. 554 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 4: Speaking of parenting and kids and that sort of thing, 555 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 4: I'm amused and annoyed in the modern world, everything has 556 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: to be a trend, and then everybody has to write 557 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 4: about it. Then everybody has well, it has to have 558 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: a name, obviously, and then as it peaks and there's 559 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: a backlash, everybody has to write about that and name 560 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 4: it as well. As opposed to people just living their 561 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: lives and doing what they've been taught to do or 562 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 4: learn to do or whatever. It's got to be a 563 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 4: trend anyway. The headline is Goodbye gentle parenting, Hello, f 564 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 4: around and find out. It was only a few months ago, 565 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 4: Jack that I think I became fully aware of having 566 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 4: run into it in real life's times people talking about 567 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 4: friends their kids. See I'm grandparent agent at this point. 568 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 4: So a handful of my friends have talked about, oh 569 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 4: my god, my daughter is into the gentle parenting thing, 570 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 4: and Junior can do anything he wants, and instead of 571 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 4: there being repercussions, mom just explains why that's less than 572 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 4: pleasing behavior and tries to re engage him in doing 573 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 4: something else, and of course the kid becomes a monster. 574 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: And it's funny. 575 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 4: It opens with a story of a woman who tried 576 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: lots of ways to discipline her rambunctious thirteen year old, 577 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 4: including making him write sentences one hundred times, the classic 578 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 4: number of times I had to do that. But when 579 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 4: he sprayed her with a water gun at a campground 580 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 4: after she asked him not to, she's only solemnly one option. 581 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 4: She threw him in the pond, clothes and all. Sometimes 582 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 4: the best left sins in life are the hard ones. 583 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 4: She said, Wow, that's not much of a repercussion, though, 584 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 4: if your kid a kid being thrown in a lake. 585 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 4: Fafo fafo often pronounced fafo short for f around and 586 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 4: find out the language. 587 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: It's a die, don't either. 588 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 4: It's a child rearing style that elevates consequences over the 589 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 4: gentle parenting methods that have helped shape gen Z. Parenting 590 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 4: is so much simpler and so much more complicated than 591 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: people give it credit for. They have to call it 592 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 4: f around and find out because that's kind of a 593 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 4: popular phrase. 594 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: Now. No, it's it's setting limits. 595 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 4: And making clear there will be consequences if those limits 596 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 4: are exceeded or not met, depending on what we're talking about, 597 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 4: and then if there are violations, there are repercussions. Doesn't 598 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 4: need a nickname. It's called parenting. It's called modifying behavior 599 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 4: and they they write a fair amount about what should 600 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 4: seem patently obvious to most people, but they do get 601 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 4: into something. I believe parenting that's light on discipline has 602 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 4: dominated the culture in recent decades, but critics blamed the 603 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 4: approach for some of gen Z's problems in adulthood. 604 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: Or people who are into the obvious. Yeah, anybody who's sane. Yeah. 605 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 4: They cite surveys that show young adults struggling with workplace relationships. 606 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 4: Was it because their parents never told them no? And 607 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 4: suffering from depression and anxiety? Was it because their parents 608 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 4: refereed all of their problems? For parents who spent years 609 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 4: trying to meet their children's emotional needs without slipping into 610 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 4: avert permissiveness, faffo can sound blessedly simple. Again, I guess, 611 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 4: I guess you know you need somebody to read your article, 612 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 4: so you try to put a new spin on it. 613 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't believe this is made up. 614 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 4: The return to reasonable consequences for bad behavior. 615 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: Well, I hope that it's not made up. We certainly 616 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: know the setup is true, that there's been a move 617 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: toward not letting your kids figure out anything in life. 618 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: Helicopter parenting. Who is I talking to the other day 619 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: who said their drone parents. They said, we've updated it. 620 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: It's funny. He and his wife were like, I know, 621 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: everybody makes fun of it. We're helicopter parents. Actually, Carlo 622 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: serves drone parents to be more modern, but we're absolutely 623 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: drone parents. And they are like gleeful about it. Wow, 624 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: I pity their kid. Well, I don't know what he's specifically, 625 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: but oh they're very nice people. Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, miss. 626 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 4: You know, the misguided kindness is one of the biggest 627 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 4: problems in parenting anyway. Oh, we don't have time to 628 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 4: get into it thoroughly. Faffo parents goes by a lot 629 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 4: of names. Parenting goes by a lot of names, tough love, 630 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 4: authoritative parenting, or has this one person put it a 631 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 4: method to. 632 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: Out feral their feral I don't know. 633 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 4: This is so dumb, this discussion having any rules about 634 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 4: that any make it clear that there are limits and 635 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 4: that there will be consequences when those limits are exceeded. Then, 636 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 4: as I've said many times through the years, not recently 637 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 4: because my kids are grown, never threaten a consequence you're 638 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 4: not prepared to deliver, and never failed to deliver the 639 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 4: consequence that you promised. 640 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: It's very simple. How do you make those AI songs 641 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: that you hear all the time, Well, it's not that hard. 642 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't think We're gonna have a little tutorial in 643 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: hour three from our executive producer Hands and hope you 644 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: can catch that Armstrong and Getty