Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal Bonus Episode three, Parole.
Speaker 1: This is a conversation Jen and I recorded on Thursday,
Speaker 1: July twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: I wanted us.
Speaker 3: Get on a call because, like, as of I think
Speaker 3: about an hour ago, Spencer was released from prison.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy because there were moments during all of
Speaker 4: this where he was going to get parole, and then
Speaker 4: a year ago he got his parole revoked after the
Speaker 4: victim wrote a letter to the parole board, and then
Speaker 4: they granted him parole, and he was supposed to get
Speaker 4: out in June, and then they denied him transitional housing
Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, he is out.
Speaker 2: And so how much time did he actually do behind bars.
Speaker 4: He got charged on six counts of sexual assault of
Speaker 4: a student. He was sentenced for each of those counts
Speaker 4: to twenty years, but only to serve five of those
Speaker 4: years in prison, and he was serving all six counts
Speaker 4: at the same time concurrently. And he got out in
Speaker 4: four years in one month. It feels like a long
Speaker 4: time ago that the police came and arrested him from
Speaker 4: our house and now he's walking out of those prison walls.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 5: I'm a different person now.
Speaker 4: I've just gone through a lot, and I think I'm
Speaker 4: stronger for it.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no question.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've talked a lot about the person you
Speaker 3: were when that happened in twenty eighteen and the person
Speaker 3: that you are now, and you're still gen but there's
Speaker 3: been so much more to your foundation and strength that
Speaker 3: you've accumulated over.
Speaker 2: The last four years. But when did you find out?
Speaker 5: So it's weird.
Speaker 4: I thought the state was going to give me seventy
Speaker 4: two hours notice before he got out.
Speaker 5: Instead, Rachel called.
Speaker 4: Me last week and said I got a message that
Speaker 4: he was getting out.
Speaker 5: So that's how I found out. I think she.
Speaker 4: Knew how important it was to me to know as well.
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things where whoever had gotten
Speaker 4: the information first would have called the other. She and
Speaker 4: I stay in touch, We support each other.
Speaker 2: How was she doing with the news? Was it tough?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think it's tough for her right now.
Speaker 4: She's still feeling nervousness, fear, and you know, just the unknown.
Speaker 4: You know, when someone who has sexually assaulted you gets
Speaker 4: out of prison, I can imagine makes it feel more real.
Speaker 5: I saw her for ice cream a few days later.
Speaker 5: Oh a way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a really nice time. We made each
Speaker 4: other laugh, we supported one another. You know, it just
Speaker 4: helps to know you're not alone out there.
Speaker 3: Do you ever mentally dress rehears running into him and
Speaker 3: what you would potentially say.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it's my Charlotte moment from Sex and the
Speaker 4: City when she runs into mister Big. You know you've
Speaker 4: been playing that in your head. When I think about
Speaker 4: seeing him face to face, that's when I get scared.
Speaker 5: And I don't know what I would say anymore.
Speaker 4: Because I am different now, or I see it differently.
Speaker 4: I may be able to have a conversation with him,
Speaker 4: but it's going to come from a different place now.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is yet, but it'll probably
Speaker 4: happen one day and I'll figure it out before then. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, what do you say or what do you
Speaker 4: ask someone that has spent almost his entire life lying
Speaker 4: and manipulating. Yeah, gosh, whoever picked him up and is
Speaker 4: allowing him to live in their home. I pray keeps
Speaker 4: their eyes open for the safety of other people physically
Speaker 4: and mentally and emotionally. Yeah, there's still going to be
Speaker 4: people in his life that love him and care for him.
Speaker 4: I just hope now they're equipped with all the information
Speaker 4: so that they can hold him accountable for getting help,
Speaker 4: because this issue that he has is not something that
Speaker 4: can just go away in six months. This is going
Speaker 4: to take from what I understand, intensive intensive therapy.
Speaker 5: And work to.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever overcome it, just what
Speaker 4: do you call it? Live a normal life.
Speaker 3: I always go back to November of twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 3: I think about what that Gen would be like.
Speaker 2: If we hadn't gone.
Speaker 3: Through everything, if you had him put in the work,
Speaker 3: we hadn't gone through this process.
Speaker 2: That Gen may still be here today, but.
Speaker 3: She is not.
Speaker 2: Nope, And I just know how much people have been impacted.
Speaker 3: I see emails and people who are getting out of
Speaker 3: relationships or trying to fix their toxic work environment just.
Speaker 2: Because they've heard you and are empowered. You've empowered people,
Speaker 2: and I'm just so proud of you. You have no idea.
Speaker 5: Oh thank you friend.
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