WEBVTT - Parole — Bonus | Jenifer's Story

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal Bonus Episode three, Parole.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a conversation Jen and I recorded on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>July twenty eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted us.

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<v Speaker 3>Get on a call because, like, as of I think

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<v Speaker 3>about an hour ago, Spencer was released from prison.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's crazy because there were moments during all of

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<v Speaker 4>this where he was going to get parole, and then

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<v Speaker 4>a year ago he got his parole revoked after the

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<v Speaker 4>victim wrote a letter to the parole board, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they granted him parole, and he was supposed to get

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<v Speaker 4>out in June, and then they denied him transitional housing

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<v Speaker 4>and now all of a sudden, he is out.

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<v Speaker 2>And so how much time did he actually do behind bars.

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<v Speaker 4>He got charged on six counts of sexual assault of

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<v Speaker 4>a student. He was sentenced for each of those counts

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<v Speaker 4>to twenty years, but only to serve five of those

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<v Speaker 4>years in prison, and he was serving all six counts

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<v Speaker 4>at the same time concurrently. And he got out in

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<v Speaker 4>four years in one month. It feels like a long

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<v Speaker 4>time ago that the police came and arrested him from

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<v Speaker 4>our house and now he's walking out of those prison walls.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a lifetime ago.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a different person now.

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<v Speaker 4>I've just gone through a lot, and I think I'm

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<v Speaker 4>stronger for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's no question.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we've talked a lot about the person you

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<v Speaker 3>were when that happened in twenty eighteen and the person

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<v Speaker 3>that you are now, and you're still gen but there's

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<v Speaker 3>been so much more to your foundation and strength that

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<v Speaker 3>you've accumulated over.

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<v Speaker 2>The last four years. But when did you find out?

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<v Speaker 5>So it's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought the state was going to give me seventy

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<v Speaker 4>two hours notice before he got out.

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<v Speaker 5>Instead, Rachel called.

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<v Speaker 4>Me last week and said I got a message that

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<v Speaker 4>he was getting out.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's how I found out. I think she.

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<v Speaker 4>Knew how important it was to me to know as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's one of those things where whoever had gotten

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<v Speaker 4>the information first would have called the other. She and

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<v Speaker 4>I stay in touch, We support each other.

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<v Speaker 2>How was she doing with the news? Was it tough?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? I think it's tough for her right now.

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<v Speaker 4>She's still feeling nervousness, fear, and you know, just the unknown.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when someone who has sexually assaulted you gets

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<v Speaker 4>out of prison, I can imagine makes it feel more real.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw her for ice cream a few days later.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh a way.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we had a really nice time. We made each

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<v Speaker 4>other laugh, we supported one another. You know, it just

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<v Speaker 4>helps to know you're not alone out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you ever mentally dress rehears running into him and

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<v Speaker 3>what you would potentially say.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah, it's my Charlotte moment from Sex and the

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<v Speaker 4>City when she runs into mister Big. You know you've

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<v Speaker 4>been playing that in your head. When I think about

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<v Speaker 4>seeing him face to face, that's when I get scared.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't know what I would say anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I am different now, or I see it differently.

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<v Speaker 4>I may be able to have a conversation with him,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's going to come from a different place now.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what that is yet, but it'll probably

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<v Speaker 4>happen one day and I'll figure it out before then. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, what do you say or what do you

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<v Speaker 4>ask someone that has spent almost his entire life lying

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<v Speaker 4>and manipulating. Yeah, gosh, whoever picked him up and is

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<v Speaker 4>allowing him to live in their home. I pray keeps

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<v Speaker 4>their eyes open for the safety of other people physically

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<v Speaker 4>and mentally and emotionally. Yeah, there's still going to be

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<v Speaker 4>people in his life that love him and care for him.

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<v Speaker 4>I just hope now they're equipped with all the information

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<v Speaker 4>so that they can hold him accountable for getting help,

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<v Speaker 4>because this issue that he has is not something that

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<v Speaker 4>can just go away in six months. This is going

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<v Speaker 4>to take from what I understand, intensive intensive therapy.

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<v Speaker 5>And work to.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you ever overcome it, just what

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<v Speaker 4>do you call it? Live a normal life.

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<v Speaker 3>I always go back to November of twenty nineteen, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think about what that Gen would be like.

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<v Speaker 2>If we hadn't gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Through everything, if you had him put in the work,

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<v Speaker 3>we hadn't gone through this process.

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<v Speaker 2>That Gen may still be here today, but.

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<v Speaker 3>She is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, And I just know how much people have been impacted.

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<v Speaker 3>I see emails and people who are getting out of

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<v Speaker 3>relationships or trying to fix their toxic work environment just.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they've heard you and are empowered. You've empowered people,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just so proud of you. You have no idea.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh thank you friend.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like to reach out to the Betrayal Team,

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<v Speaker 1>email us at Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com.

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