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Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal Bonus Episode three, Parole.

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Speaker 1: This is a conversation Jen and I recorded on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: July twenty eighth.

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Speaker 2: I wanted us.

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Speaker 3: Get on a call because, like, as of I think

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Speaker 3: about an hour ago, Spencer was released from prison.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy because there were moments during all of

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Speaker 4: this where he was going to get parole, and then

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Speaker 4: a year ago he got his parole revoked after the

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Speaker 4: victim wrote a letter to the parole board, and then

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Speaker 4: they granted him parole, and he was supposed to get

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Speaker 4: out in June, and then they denied him transitional housing

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Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, he is out.

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Speaker 2: And so how much time did he actually do behind bars.

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Speaker 4: He got charged on six counts of sexual assault of

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Speaker 4: a student. He was sentenced for each of those counts

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Speaker 4: to twenty years, but only to serve five of those

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Speaker 4: years in prison, and he was serving all six counts

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Speaker 4: at the same time concurrently. And he got out in

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Speaker 4: four years in one month. It feels like a long

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Speaker 4: time ago that the police came and arrested him from

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Speaker 4: our house and now he's walking out of those prison walls.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a lifetime ago.

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Speaker 5: I'm a different person now.

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Speaker 4: I've just gone through a lot, and I think I'm

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Speaker 4: stronger for it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's no question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've talked a lot about the person you

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Speaker 3: were when that happened in twenty eighteen and the person

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Speaker 3: that you are now, and you're still gen but there's

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Speaker 3: been so much more to your foundation and strength that

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Speaker 3: you've accumulated over.

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Speaker 2: The last four years. But when did you find out?

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Speaker 5: So it's weird.

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Speaker 4: I thought the state was going to give me seventy

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Speaker 4: two hours notice before he got out.

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Speaker 5: Instead, Rachel called.

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Speaker 4: Me last week and said I got a message that

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Speaker 4: he was getting out.

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Speaker 5: So that's how I found out. I think she.

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Speaker 4: Knew how important it was to me to know as well.

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Speaker 4: So it's one of those things where whoever had gotten

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Speaker 4: the information first would have called the other. She and

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Speaker 4: I stay in touch, We support each other.

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Speaker 2: How was she doing with the news? Was it tough?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think it's tough for her right now.

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Speaker 4: She's still feeling nervousness, fear, and you know, just the unknown.

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Speaker 4: You know, when someone who has sexually assaulted you gets

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Speaker 4: out of prison, I can imagine makes it feel more real.

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Speaker 5: I saw her for ice cream a few days later.

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Speaker 5: Oh a way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a really nice time. We made each

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Speaker 4: other laugh, we supported one another. You know, it just

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Speaker 4: helps to know you're not alone out there.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever mentally dress rehears running into him and

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Speaker 3: what you would potentially say.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it's my Charlotte moment from Sex and the

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Speaker 4: City when she runs into mister Big. You know you've

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Speaker 4: been playing that in your head. When I think about

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Speaker 4: seeing him face to face, that's when I get scared.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know what I would say anymore.

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Speaker 4: Because I am different now, or I see it differently.

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Speaker 4: I may be able to have a conversation with him,

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Speaker 4: but it's going to come from a different place now.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that is yet, but it'll probably

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Speaker 4: happen one day and I'll figure it out before then. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, what do you say or what do you

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Speaker 4: ask someone that has spent almost his entire life lying

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Speaker 4: and manipulating. Yeah, gosh, whoever picked him up and is

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Speaker 4: allowing him to live in their home. I pray keeps

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Speaker 4: their eyes open for the safety of other people physically

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Speaker 4: and mentally and emotionally. Yeah, there's still going to be

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Speaker 4: people in his life that love him and care for him.

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Speaker 4: I just hope now they're equipped with all the information

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Speaker 4: so that they can hold him accountable for getting help,

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Speaker 4: because this issue that he has is not something that

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Speaker 4: can just go away in six months. This is going

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Speaker 4: to take from what I understand, intensive intensive therapy.

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Speaker 5: And work to.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever overcome it, just what

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Speaker 4: do you call it? Live a normal life.

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Speaker 3: I always go back to November of twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 3: I think about what that Gen would be like.

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Speaker 2: If we hadn't gone.

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Speaker 3: Through everything, if you had him put in the work,

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Speaker 3: we hadn't gone through this process.

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Speaker 2: That Gen may still be here today, but.

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Speaker 3: She is not.

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Speaker 2: Nope, And I just know how much people have been impacted.

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Speaker 3: I see emails and people who are getting out of

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Speaker 3: relationships or trying to fix their toxic work environment just.

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Speaker 2: Because they've heard you and are empowered. You've empowered people,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just so proud of you. You have no idea.

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Speaker 5: Oh thank you friend.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to reach out to the Betrayal Team,

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Speaker 1: email us at Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com.

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