1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you so 3 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. This episode, I would say is 4 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: for the equestrians in the crowd, for the fans of 5 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: horses and all things equine. Uh Hi, my name is 6 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: ben Hi Wilbur No, okay, I'm leaving it in. My 7 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: name is no yeah, okay, Just to get ahead of 8 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: that before anybody yells at me. This is an episode 9 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: about Nazi horses, and if they could talk, they would 10 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: theoretically maybe say hil Wilbur. But the Germans after World 11 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: War One apparently had a bit of a horse shortage. 12 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: And considering you know how much kind of grief they 13 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: got after that war and essentially we're blamed for it, 14 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: pretty sure they ended up with a lot of things shortage. 15 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: M Yeah, that's true. Many resources, things that you would 16 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: typically need to run a country during peace time, right, 17 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: and imagine how many more resources you need if you're 18 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: running a country during a time of war. Super producer 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram and I were talking about this a little 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: bit before we we hopped on today's episode, and we 21 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: were thinking about our earlier show on Clever Hans. You'll 22 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: remember Clever Hans disappeared during World War One, Right, So 23 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: what if there's an untold chapter of Hans. What if 24 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: he ended up somehow roped into this this program What 25 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: programmer are we talking about? Well, we know that when 26 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: the Nazi Party invaded foreign countries during World War Two, 27 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: they stole millions and millions of dollars worth of valuables. 28 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 1: They were trying to get all the resources they could. 29 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Jewelry famous works of art as well, and in the 30 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: world of fiction and in documentaries of plenty, we see 31 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: later attempts to recover those stolen valuables. But one thing 32 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people haven't talked about is another resource 33 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the Nazis were surprisingly focused on obtaining. They wanted to 34 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: essentially kidnap hundreds of the world's best horses, prize horses. Yeah, 35 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: it was called Operation Uber Horse. Maybe not, but that's 36 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna call it, and that's what it should 37 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: have been called in my humble opinion. But no, it's true. 38 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: The Nazis were all about developing super everything. Now that 39 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: they wanted the best and the most advance and the strongest, 40 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: the most tankiest of humans. Uh, and horses, and they 41 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: would stop at nothing to achieve those results. Uh. So 42 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: they wanted to breed a particularly powerful type of horse 43 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: called the Lipazna horse, which was German horse that was, 44 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: like you said, been very prized for its strength and 45 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: stamina and beauty. Um. And they wanted to create a 46 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: brand new race, a master race, if you will, of 47 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: German horse. Um. And they set about doing this, didn't 48 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: they They did. Yeah. Author Elizabeth Letts has a book 49 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: about this called The Perfect Horse, and in that she 50 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: examines the tremendous damage done to Germany's Germany's literal horsepower 51 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: during World War One, and Adolf Hitler wanted to return 52 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: the country to what he saw as its former glory 53 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: in the world of all things horsey. We have a 54 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: specific quote here wherein Let's rights. After World War One, 55 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: several factors combined to almost destroy horse breeding and equestrian 56 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: sports in Germany. The number of equine casualties were so 57 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: high during the war that the horse population declined by half. 58 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: And then she goes on to say how the monstrous 59 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: conditions of inflation in Germany made it really difficult to 60 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: take care of the horses that did survive and that 61 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: would have been the gig that clever Hans would have 62 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: been enlisted to fill. Right, well, we don't know exactly 63 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: what his job would have been, but the need for 64 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: horses in World War One was pretty significant, and many 65 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: of them, the ones that you know, fell victim to 66 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: these horrific casualties, would have been war horses that would 67 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: have literally been ridden into battle, right Like, this was 68 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: like a a trench kind of warfare situation where you're 69 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: actually on the battlefield, sort of a hybrid between like 70 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: the mob all we think of, you know, in older 71 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: military conflicts, like you know, it's a civil war, like 72 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: a war of eighteen twelve, where you have two parties 73 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: on opposite side of a field running towards each other 74 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: with sabers and horses. This was kind I mean, there 75 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: was some of that antiquated military involved Napoleonic exactly, but no, no, no, 76 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: you're you're absolutely right. But but then there also was 77 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: that that trench warfare as well, and it's interesting to 78 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: think about when they were trying to rebuild, and that's 79 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: a huge reason that Hitler and his promise of returning 80 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: to this the glory days of this country and capitalizing 81 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: on people feeling completely downtrodden and left behind and kind 82 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: of you know, like completely having been screwed by a 83 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: war effort that they as individuals maybe didn't necessarily believe in. 84 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, who who was responsible for World War one 85 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: German involvement? That was Kaiser, wasn't it. Yeah, that's uh 86 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: vill Helm the second and German Kaiser or Emperor and 87 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: the King of Prussia born in eighteen fifty nine died 88 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one. That's right. And and Germany truly 89 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: entered World War One in August first, nineteen fourteen when 90 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: they declared war on Russia. Of course, they were allied 91 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: with Italy and Austria Hungary before World War One. When 92 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: they declared war on Russia and receive you know, and 93 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: certainly aftermath, you know, the dust settle in World War One, 94 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: Germany was really kind of the blame was placed on 95 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: them in a very real way, and they received all 96 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: kinds of sanctions and real blows to their infrastructure and 97 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: to their ability to kind of, you know, go on 98 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: in the way that they they knew. Uh So, when 99 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: Hitler offered them these opportunities to kind of move forward 100 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: and reclaim that position, it was very attractive. And that's 101 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: that slippery slope that could happen when someone makes promises 102 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: and people feel like they you know, need a strong 103 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: hand to guide them back into their former glory. And 104 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: then before you know it, you know they're breeding superhorses 105 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: and uh and and worse. Yeah, put yourself in the 106 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: place of the average German civilian post World War One. 107 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: Inflation is crazy. If you own horses, statistically half of 108 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: them are dead and it's incredibly difficult to take care 109 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: of the ones you do have. But guess what you 110 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,559 Speaker 1: might lose those two because Germany was required to pay 111 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: massive reparations after World War One and the Treaty of Versailles, 112 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: and one of the things they specifically had to do 113 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: was export their remaining horses or a certain amount as 114 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: a form of reparations. So two decades later, in World 115 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: War Two, horses are like, weirdly at the front of 116 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler's mind, you know, like he probably derailed some 117 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: meetings about it to talk about the horses. This is 118 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: something that confused me as a kid, Like a lot 119 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: of kids growing up in the West, I always thought 120 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: of World War Two in terms of like tanks and 121 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: bombers and you know, dog fights and aircraft and and 122 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: new terrifying technology. But we have to remember that wasn't 123 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: entirely the case. According to Let's by, the German army 124 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: was using more than one hundred and eighty thousand horses 125 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: and donkeys, and Adolf Hitler was convinced they had to 126 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: double down and get more. They really thought they needed 127 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: horses to win the war. What were they using them for? 128 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: Like pulling horse drawn wagons with like artillery on the back. 129 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: Like didn't I mean they had panzer tanks and all 130 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: that stuff at this point, right, Like, well, what are 131 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: they using horses and donkeys for? I don't understand spies? Okay, 132 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: all right, they just dress them up. Give him a 133 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: British accent whatever, a British accent for a horses. Yeah. No, 134 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: you're making a good point, well, because it sounds like 135 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: we're on the same page that a lot of us. 136 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: I would think of the astonishing technology that's been developed, 137 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: and then you have to ask yourself, what does a 138 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: horse do? Maybe it's because they were already well established 139 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 1: as a means of transport, pretty nimble, you know, I 140 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: mean you can definitely like get places quickly on a 141 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: horse that you couldn't get on a panzer tank. But 142 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: they had motorcycles and they had all that stuff. I 143 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: was a little I want to look a little deeper 144 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: in to this, but that's sort of a discussion for 145 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: a different day. What we do know right now is 146 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: that horses became this like propaganda tool because Hitler. Okay, 147 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: let's put it this way. I think a big thing 148 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: was when Germany kind of got screwed, the regular German 149 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: people got screwed after World War One because of all 150 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: these reparations and having to expert all these horses. It 151 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: was all about this loss of the life they knew, 152 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: and a big part of the life they knew was 153 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: horse breeding. That was something they took great pride in 154 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: as a nation. And so Hitler started kind of using 155 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: his like, Okay, we're gonna get back in the saddle, 156 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: as it were. Let's writes about this in her book, 157 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: and he started amassing all these horses and making it 158 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: clear that he was going to bring back this part 159 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: of German heritage and tradition. Yeah, it's, uh, dare I say, 160 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of a make Germany great again program expressed through 161 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: this equine lens when Hitler invaded Poland in nineteen thirty nine, 162 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: or I guess I should say when Germany invaded Poland 163 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: and nine wasn't just like Hitler running up there. But 164 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: when that happened, he had already defined or articulated a 165 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: plan for the horses of Poland. They wanted to rebuild 166 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Poland's horse breeding industry, quote, for the interests of the 167 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: German nation. And that's when Hitler had to find he 168 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: had to find a horse guy, right, he had he 169 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: had to see a man about a horse, and that's 170 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: when he went to was the first time I ever 171 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: heard this word, noal. He went to a hypologist or 172 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: horse expert named Gustav Raut Goodness, hippop. I don't yeah, 173 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: I'll have to look into the etymology of that a 174 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: little later. Uh. Gustav raw Indeed, he was a horse expert, 175 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: as you say, and the leading equery in the country. 176 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: He was actually the chief equerry in charge of all 177 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: of the horse breeding. He was made this for the 178 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: third right. He was responsible for, as we talked about 179 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: at the top of the show, creating the perfect horse 180 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: by using breeding techniques, which is something that at the 181 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: time was very poorly understood, and the concept of genetic 182 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: inheritance and passing down, you know, selective breeding, passing down 183 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: the best qualities of certain breeds to to create kind 184 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: of a new hybrid. He received his inspiration from the 185 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: nineteen twelve Olympics, where there were some really fine specimens 186 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: of military horses on display lined up next to each 187 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: other in one of the ceremonies, and it gave him 188 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: the idea, according to Let's in her book, the Perfect 189 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: Horse to quote, develop a German breed of military horse 190 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: that was as clearly associated with Germany as the thoroughbred 191 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: was with England. Yeah, and you can understand the idea, 192 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: right because at this time he's thinking, while we can 193 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: breed dogs, right, we can, we can breed for certain 194 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: traits that we do know for sure. And so Rao 195 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: started focusing on the lips on a stallion, which you 196 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. All uh, this is a breed that's known 197 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: for its dexterity and known for looking like the classic 198 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: fairy tale version of a horse. So Ralph says, as 199 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: a hypologist, Hey, I can breed tons and tons of 200 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: these identical military horses. Of course, he wants them to 201 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: be pure white and uh, he says, I can do 202 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: this in just three years. I can make this perfect horse. 203 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: All I have to do is make sure that I 204 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: continually in breed them. That's where we go to the 205 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: to your earlier point about poor knowledge of genetics. He 206 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: did not seem to understand the link between genetic defects 207 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: and in breeding. So Hitler was sold. You know, Hitler 208 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: was convinced this was a great idea and to do this, 209 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: they needed these stallions, so they started stealing them. They 210 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: started doing international horse heist. Why is this not on 211 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: Drunken History? Why are we not narrating this on drunken History? 212 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: Probably because Drunken History got canceled. But what a story. Yeah. 213 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: And in the same way that those occupying German forces 214 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: would go on to ravage the culture and history and 215 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, basically any kind of valuable items in places 216 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: that they took over, German soldiers set to work essentially 217 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: taking over, co opting, taking control of all of the 218 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: horse breeding facilities in the entire country, horse stud farms, 219 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: riding schools, and as we mentioned the top of the show, 220 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: the way German forces when they would occupy a country 221 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: would just start to ravage it and you know, essentially 222 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: dismantle all of its culture and steal valuables and all 223 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: of that. The priority in Poland was initially to completely 224 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: take control and co opt any kind of horse breeding 225 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: facility that they could get their hands on, things like 226 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: stud farms and riding schools. There was one in particular 227 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: riding school called the Janol Pudlaski stud Farm in Poland 228 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: and that was right near the border with Russia, and 229 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: another one in Vienna Um called the Spanish Riding School, 230 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: and that had a very very remarkable collection of these 231 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Lipazner horses. They were very valuable, they were very beautiful. 232 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: They were colored kind of a snow white coat with 233 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: blue and black speckles, and oftentimes they were trained as 234 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Olympic dressage champions. Is that the one where they just 235 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of daintily step or is dressed. That's yeah, that's 236 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: that's dressage, right, Yeah, that's where they have the weird walk. 237 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: It's very specific walk. I you know, I gotta admit 238 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: one time I went in a YouTube rabbit hole and 239 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: just watched videos. There is something oddly satisfying about it. 240 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: It's it's interesting to see these massive creatures tiptoeing around. 241 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's a little bit weird, but but kind 242 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: of cool. Yeah, I agree, I think it's I think 243 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: it's cool to have specific hobbies and as long as 244 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: you slong as you're not hurting the horse, it's it's 245 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: all fine. But you're right. They were. They were doing 246 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: these international horse heist and they were very serious about it. 247 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: They transported the horses in these pretty swanky, spacious train 248 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: cars and then they took them to these top notch 249 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: farms out in the countryside. And it's so weird when 250 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: you consider how obscenely inhumane the Nazi Party was to 251 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: other human beings. It's so weird to understand just how 252 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: gentle and nice they were to the horses, like they 253 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: would they were killing millions and millions of people, but 254 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: they would like clutch their pearls at the idea of 255 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: a horse being and lightly harmed. And this is a 256 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: very dark point. But just to drive this home, we 257 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: know that the horses who were taken prisoner by the 258 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: Nazis were transported in better circumstances and better train cars 259 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: than the human victims of the Nazis. She's I was 260 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: gonna say it sounded like they are using the same 261 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: train cars but adding insult to injury. I guess the 262 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: horse has got a better shake. That's God And I 263 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: can't even believe that, but it's true. And we're gonna 264 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: stick with the horse angle for now. And this is 265 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: all pretty early on. I think this was happening before 266 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: any of that, right, this was happening before they were 267 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: actually rounding up Jews and and um, you know, collecting 268 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: them and shipping them off. Correct. Yeah, Germany and German 269 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: leaders wanted to bring back the horse into street since 270 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: pretty much the end of World War One, which at 271 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: that time they called the Great War. I don't think 272 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: I I'm glad to report that nobody called it World 273 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: War One before World War Two. Yeah, that's like the 274 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: it's just the laws of chronology, I guess. But you know, 275 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: they definitely continued this horse thieving spree in addition to 276 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: grabbing all of those priceless artifacts that we talked about. 277 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: Horses were always kind of on the list because they 278 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: really wanted to scale this operation and get you know, 279 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: Germany back to its former horsey glory. So they're pretty 280 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: much set up at this point and decide to build 281 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: a base of operations, and that's something called the Hostile 282 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: stud Farm, another facility they took control of, but that 283 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of became their home base for this you know, 284 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: super horse program, the kind of stronghold and and like 285 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: the you know cat lack of all of their facilities. 286 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: And it was located in Hostile, in the hills of 287 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: Hostile in Czechoslovakia, which at this point was occupied by 288 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: the Germans. Let's is Elizabeth lett Let's is such a 289 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: premier source on all this stuff. So we're gonna keep 290 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: referring back to her book The Perfect Horse, But she 291 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: says of this period quote the stud farm at Hostile, 292 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: located next to the village of the same name, had 293 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: been known for breeding cavalry horses long before Hitler's time. 294 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: The most prominent local landowners the Troutsmundorff's. Yeah, the Troutsmundorff 295 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: family had historically served as imperial equerries for the Habsburg crown. 296 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: In addition to the main complex of stables adjacent in 297 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: the village, there were pastures and three neighboring villages. The 298 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: entire establishment covered fifteen hundred acres and could accommodate more 299 00:19:53,560 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: than a thousand stallions. Mayors and fulls. And yes that 300 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: Habsburg crown refers to the Habsburgs if you are, for 301 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: some reason not aware of that story, another cautionary tale 302 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: about genetic defects and in breeding. And then I I 303 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: suggest that, when you have a chance, go to your 304 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: browser of choice and just search for Habsburg jaw h 305 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: b S b U r G. You guys know what 306 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, right, Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, so 307 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Rao has found his perfect farm, right, 308 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: and he's found his perfect horses. And throughout nineteen forty 309 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: two he systematically moves all of these kidnapped horses from Italy, Austria, 310 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: and Yugoslavia to this farm for safe keeping. He also 311 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: sends out an assistant an emissary to wealthy noble families 312 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: who all also raise horses. And this means that by 313 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: the end of that year, by the end of this 314 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: one guy Rao has gathered almost every single Lipizzan or 315 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: in the world to this one spot. That's pretty crazy, right, 316 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: and let's be having your mind blown by this idea 317 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: in the world. Let's not forget the Lipizanas where own 318 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: where it was a German horse. They were specifically bred 319 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: in this part of the country. It's not like the 320 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: Nazis were flying elsewhere on the globe to have to 321 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: grab these that it didn't exist outside of this part 322 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: of the country. So it was from this facility, this 323 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: absolute you know, cutting edge horse breeding compound, where raw 324 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: really decided that he was going to set up his 325 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: empire of of of horse breeding there in you know, 326 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: the German occupied areas of Europe, and at the center 327 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: of this was kind of the same sort of purest 328 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: any apology that went into the way Nazis thought about race. 329 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: Like you said that white color was a big deal. 330 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: The notion that the pure bred lip Posner horse came 331 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: from wealthy noblemen, it was a very elite breed of horse, 332 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: and ben Off, Mike, we were talking about how this 333 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: really dovetailed with their you know, notion of the ubermens 334 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: or like, you know, being able to maintain the purity 335 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: of the German bloodline or the area in bloodline. Yeah, 336 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: it's it's a true story. Well, and they ritualize this 337 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: pretty heavily for various reasons. But but it is true 338 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: that at the special places called birth clinics, officers of 339 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: the s S who had to pass certain racial requirements 340 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: to be in the SS. To begin with, they would 341 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: mate with women who had been selected for their own 342 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: perceived area in traits. And then when a child was 343 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: produced from this sort of program, the baby's got baptized 344 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: in a weird SS. Right. It's kind of like when 345 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: we talk about the intersection between the Nazi Party and occultism, 346 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: it gets really wonky. So they would, uh, they would 347 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: baptize this kid in this special right, and then there 348 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: would be uh, this symbolic dagger hanging over there, and 349 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: they would chant these incantations and pledge the babies the 350 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: Nazi Party kind of it kind of replaced the idea 351 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: of a religious baptism, and the horses had their own 352 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: kind of special right. Rao wanted them to have a 353 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: specific brand, which was it looked like a kind of 354 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: like letter H with a dagger going through it. And 355 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: this shows us that the you know, the ritual, the 356 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: propaganda and the trappings of it, uh seemed to be 357 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: really really important. And again these folks were woefully misinformed. Uh. 358 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of the White Tigers. 359 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: You guys know the story of the White Tigers. How 360 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: they're it's a it's a rare genetic mutation, and to 361 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: breed white tigers is pretty controversial because they end up 362 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: getting inbred and as a result of that, you end 363 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: up with the same kind of genetic defects you would 364 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: see after intense in breeding in humans. And off Air 365 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: just shared with you all a picture of what what 366 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: can happen to these white tigers when when this practice 367 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: goes wrong? Yeah, unfortunately. I mean then you showed us 368 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: some pictures of the white tiger issues that can develop. 369 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: It's almost like a like it can manifest itself physically, 370 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: but I think also cognitively, you know, in these animals, 371 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 1: and you can see the results if you just google 372 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: you know this. It's not pleasant, but yeah, that's and 373 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: when you have this much extensive in breeding going on, 374 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, for a specific purpose, then that's when you 375 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: can really have some of these cases that they're I'm 376 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: sure not, I don't know, what do you think then 377 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: you think they're like putting them down or I mean 378 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: surely they would look at that as like a bastardization 379 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: of their pure results that they were seeking. And yet 380 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: they have this reputation for being kind to animals. So 381 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm a little wondering about that. Yeah, yeah, that's a 382 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: good question, because, to be clear, they're breeding for very 383 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: specific traits. Right, so some of these horses are solid black, 384 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: but they want to only breed ones that will have 385 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: a solid white coat and have you know, tall height 386 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: and so on. But it feels like without an understanding 387 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: of the dangers of inbreeding, things could have gone pretty long, 388 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. But something else happens that affects this program. 389 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: It eventually becomes clear that Germany will lose the war, 390 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: and this makes the Germans start worrying about the future 391 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: of their horses. Would they be stolen by Russians or 392 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: even worse, slaughter to feed humans. Obviously, the Nazi Party 393 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: appears to like horses much more than people. And oh, lucky, lucky, 394 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: we've done it again. We're looking at the clock on 395 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: our recorder and and we're I think we're we've got 396 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: enough story left to fill up another episode, and hey, 397 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: you get them both the same week. So quit your 398 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: complaining out there in podcast land. I'm just kidding out. 399 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: Don't think anyone's necessarily complaining. Okay, all right, I'm sorry, 400 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: I was being I was was that was me projecting um, 401 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think there's absolutely more than enough for 402 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: another episode and a lot of fun places this story goes. 403 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: And it's weird to say that about a story involving 404 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: Nazis and super animal breeding programs, but trust me, there's 405 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: a twist in this that's going to give it a 406 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: bit of a silver lining and very cinematic. So stay tuned, 407 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: stay at that moment. 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You'll remember he refused 456 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: to tell us how to pronounce his last name, and 457 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: I actually asked some other people and they said that 458 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: he kind of told them the same thing. I love 459 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: the mystery here, uh and I cannot wait for us 460 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: to return to the Strange Journey. If he's stolen horses 461 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: from World War Two. We'll see you next time. Folks. 462 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from My heart Radio, visit the I 463 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 464 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.