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Speaker 1: great to be here with you, Rett Lewis, with our

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Speaker 1: Bucky If calling this weekend of football the best weekend

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Speaker 1: with how we ended divisional weekend from Arrowhead. It's our

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Speaker 1: look at those other guys, you have to wonder why

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Speaker 1: he wasn't able to bring it home for the Packers

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Speaker 1: in this playoff game. Yeah, no question. And we'll have

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Speaker 1: much more in the future of Aaron Rodgers in Green

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Speaker 1: Bay and in the NFL in just a moment here

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Speaker 1: on this Monday edition of Move the Sticks. But now

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Speaker 1: let's get a look at what we've seen here between

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Speaker 1: the Rams and the forty Niners. The last three seasons

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Speaker 1: has not been pretty for the Rams. You just saw

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Speaker 1: it just a week eighteen, right they had the seventeen

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Speaker 1: point lead, forty Niners come all the way back and win.

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Speaker 1: They've won the last six. They've scored just over twenty

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Speaker 1: six points a game against the Rams. And look, defensively,

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Speaker 1: they get it done. We know that against any opponent,

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Speaker 1: but certainly against the Rams. You see the sacks. The

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Speaker 1: turnovers have been a big issue as well, and the

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Speaker 1: Rams offense just has not been as potent against the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners as they have been. This is the fourth

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Speaker 1: time since the visional realignment. Just the four times it's

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Speaker 1: oh two that we've seen a championship game be a

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Speaker 1: rematch of the visional opponents will see it here with

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Speaker 1: the Niners dominance over the Rams here, Bucky, why will

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Speaker 1: this game be any different? I don't know why would

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Speaker 1: be any difference, because for the er standpoint, they own

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Speaker 1: the Rams, their hashtags going around talking about we own you,

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Speaker 1: and so from a mental standpoint, they know when they

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Speaker 1: walk out and they see the Rams of those nice uniforms,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who's available. They feel like they beat

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Speaker 1: them because that's what they do. And so their misset

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Speaker 1: is going to be one where they expect to win. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I would just add though, to me, health is a

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Speaker 1: huge component in this game. And if you look over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years in the playoffs, you look

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Speaker 1: at the Chiefs without their starting tackles in the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl against the Bucks. We saw how that went down.

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Speaker 1: In this game. Trent Williams health, is he going to

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Speaker 1: be able to play? You take him out of the lineup.

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Speaker 1: We saw last week what the Rams did to a

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Speaker 1: backup tackle with their pass rush, So that to me

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Speaker 1: is going to be huge. The health of health of

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Speaker 1: Trent Williams and some other players along the line here

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Speaker 1: for the forty Niners. Great opportunity for the Rams to

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Speaker 1: exercise the demons here, right, they could have knocked the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners out of the postseason Week eight team, of

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Speaker 1: course didn't get it done. Then now they get a

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Speaker 1: chance to knock them out of the postseason for real. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Here in this NFC Championship game. The difference for me

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Speaker 1: is man Matthew Stafford. He's playing. He's up there with

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Speaker 1: all the other quarterbacks we've been talking about with the

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Speaker 1: way he played this postseason, and uh, he's got to

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Speaker 1: have another one of those games here against the forty Niners.

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Speaker 1: And DJ is helping us get set by giving us

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Speaker 1: his mock draft one point. Oh. Here the top ten picks.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars going offensive tackle number one overall to help out

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, last year's number one pick. Only one quarterback

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Speaker 1: in this year's top ten. It's Kenny Pickett from pitt

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Speaker 1: going to the Denver Broncos at number nine, and the

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Speaker 1: Jets getting some help on defense with their two picks

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Speaker 1: in the top ten, while the Giants get a offensive

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Speaker 1: and defensive centerpiece there with their two picks in the

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Speaker 1: top ten. All Right, DJ, this is our favorite time

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Speaker 1: of the year. It's mock draft season. You love reading

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Speaker 1: the comments and reading the mentions on Twitter from everybody

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Speaker 1: reaching out telling you how great all of your picks

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Speaker 1: have been in this mock draft. I, for one, I

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Speaker 1: think you're just doing a magnificent job. So what we

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Speaker 1: want to do here is highlights some of the reaction

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Speaker 1: that some of the loyal fan bases have sent out here.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the fact that you've got Sauce

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Speaker 1: Gardner going number six overall to the Carolina Panthers. Moose

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Speaker 1: that doesn't love it. I would say he thinks it's

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Speaker 1: laughable actually, because the Panthers aren't taking another corner round

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Speaker 1: one after taking J. C. Horn top ten last year.

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Speaker 1: We have too many corners. Clearly, you don't understand DJ,

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. Here's what I appreciate about Moose is he's

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Speaker 1: also bringing it full circle with an appearance apparently you

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Speaker 1: did on a local Charlotte radio station. So yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was a lot of research he did on that tweet.

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Speaker 1: All right, defend your pick of Sauce Gardner to the Panthers. Well,

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Speaker 1: I will just say this. There's I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've heard of this thing. There's this thing called free

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Speaker 1: agency where you don't have lifetime contracts with your players.

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Speaker 1: When you have two of your corners on your roster

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Speaker 1: that are pending free agents, meaning they could actually leave

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Speaker 1: your football team. So when that happens, you then have

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Speaker 1: a need at the position. And the gap between a

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Speaker 1: mod Gardener uh And and Henderson who you traded for

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Speaker 1: from from Jacksonville was tremendous. So when you get Gardner

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Speaker 1: on one side and you put your corner J. C.

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Speaker 1: Horn you took in the first round last year on

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Speaker 1: the other, you want to talk about being able to

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Speaker 1: heat up quarterbacks will be a lot of fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmour is gonna be an unrestricted free agent, so

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Speaker 1: hard to factor that is an equation here for Carolina.

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Speaker 1: So right, so it's Dante Jackson, their second round pick

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. All right, let's move to

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Speaker 1: our next one. The Broncos selecting Kenny Pickett ninth overall.

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Speaker 1: Inconvenient at truth calling false on this one. Do you

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Speaker 1: really think Denver would choose pick it over Corral? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make this sound more dramatic than it is.

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Speaker 1: He's actually giving you some respect. That bad He's just

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Speaker 1: curious to know. Yeah, do you think that's that's That's

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Speaker 1: one of the friendlier comments you ever going to see

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Speaker 1: in the Marcot. No. Look to me, Pickett is more polished,

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Speaker 1: He's ready to go right now. Is a little more accurate. Um,

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Speaker 1: you get a little bit more I would say, a

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Speaker 1: little bit more dynamic arm with Matt Corral, But I

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Speaker 1: just think Kenny Picketts is a little further advanced and

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Speaker 1: ready to play. And I think this Broncos team is

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Speaker 1: ready to win with their roster right now, So the

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Speaker 1: more advanced player makes more sense in my opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: wealth of targets out there for Kenny Pickett, who had

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Speaker 1: the huge jump from year three to year four starting

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Speaker 1: there at pit. Let's move to the Philadelphia Eagles, who

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Speaker 1: had three picks in the first round. And I guess

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Speaker 1: this is not a DJ Berner account tweeting against himself here,

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Speaker 1: but he does say none of the Eagles picks here

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Speaker 1: makes sense. You had them taking George carl loftus Ed

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Speaker 1: Rush Harder, Perdue wide receiver, Drake London on the USC

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Speaker 1: and Kenyan Green and offensive guard from Texas A and

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Speaker 1: m Um, look, he's not buying it at all. DJ.

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Speaker 1: So what gives man? Well, I can tell you, having

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Speaker 1: worked in that organization DJ Slayer relic that they value

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Speaker 1: the trenches and they're going to invest in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at their defensive line, you have

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Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, who was hurt this year. You also have

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Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox who's getting up there in age. They need

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Speaker 1: to refresh that group a little bit. I love sweat,

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Speaker 1: but they are going to invest in the trenches. And

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Speaker 1: then when you look at Kenyan Green, you' you've got

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Speaker 1: Kelsey who's a free agent. So he walks away Landon Dickerson,

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Speaker 1: he slides over to center, which he played at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Kenyan Green gets in there and off you go. And

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Speaker 1: they need a bigger wide receiver to compliment Davante Smith.

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Speaker 1: They don't have that type of a player. You have

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Speaker 1: a quarterback who's not tremendously accurate. This gives him a

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Speaker 1: little more margin for error with a big, rangy receiver

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Speaker 1: like Drake London. Yeah, And oddly enough, taking a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver for the third straight year in the first round

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Speaker 1: didn't draw the ire of DJ Slayer relic that U much.

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Speaker 1: He was actually on board with that one. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: so this is kind of what we've long thought. This

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Speaker 1: is the worst, right, I mean emojis though, Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was this sarcastic maybe just giving you one. Make sure

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Speaker 1: that somebody sent the tweet out that said worst worst

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Speaker 1: your mock draft. Good news is there will be more DJ.

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Speaker 1: I just want to see more creativity with the emojis. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the trash can has been done. Okay, the laughing things

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Speaker 1: been done. There's there's so many emojis to choose from people.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's come up with something new. Yeah, you'll

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Speaker 1: have another opportunity here, DJ mock Draft two point oh

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Speaker 1: coming up before you know it. All right, guys, let's

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Speaker 1: get back to the playoff action here. It's just Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: who DJ you tweeted out was the LESA quarterback this

583
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Speaker 1: season then without Tryst and worse man, did he get

584
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Speaker 1: some pressure in his face from the l A ram's

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Speaker 1: average ten more or ten more pressures than they gave

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Speaker 1: up on average in the first eighteen games. And is

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Speaker 1: passer rating really dropped with those uh, those places where

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Speaker 1: he was under pressure? Just a twenty three passer rating

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Speaker 1: back now, Bucky reach pointing here, um, Bucky. When we

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Speaker 1: assess tom Brady's future, aside from the fact that he

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Speaker 1: got pressured like crazy in this game with Tristan Worth South,

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Speaker 1: Donovan Smith didn't play well, was there anything you saw

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Speaker 1: from Tom Brady who did not want to talk about

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Speaker 1: his future after the game that made you believe, all right,

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna do it again next year. I mean

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Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, no, uh, he was bawling. And

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Speaker 1: the way that he played on Sunday without all the

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Speaker 1: weapons available to him. Man, this guy could continue to

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Speaker 1: play the way he was able to lift up that offense,

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Speaker 1: makes spectascular plays. He is still the league's boogeyman. The

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Speaker 1: l A rams melted at the prospect of tom Brady

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Speaker 1: being able to bring it back in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: So the fear fact is still there. If he wants

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Speaker 1: to continue to play, he will still be a dominant

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Speaker 1: presence in the league. Yeah, it's just on him if

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Speaker 1: he wants to walk away right now. He still has

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Speaker 1: the goods. Yeah. I think the difference between last offseason

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Speaker 1: and this one that you guys, you play pick up basketball,

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Speaker 1: you win, you stay on the court. With your same

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Speaker 1: group lost, they're gonna have to collect a new group.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the age of of the players

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Speaker 1: on their roster and you look at some of the

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Speaker 1: free agents that they're going to have going into the offseason,

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Speaker 1: it's not just Tom Brady. Now you've got a Dominican

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Speaker 1: sued Jpp, Gronk, Lavante David. They've got some age on

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Speaker 1: this team. They've got some free agents, including their center

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Speaker 1: as well as Chris Godwin. They've got some decisions to

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Speaker 1: make their if they come back. If Brady comes back

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Speaker 1: next year, which I hope he does, he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: surrounded by some new faces. This is not a run

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Speaker 1: it back situation like we had last year to this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when they brought back all ultimate two starters from the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl would seem to be a bit far fest

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Speaker 1: to expect them to be able to do that again

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Speaker 1: this year, especially considering Chris Godwin coming off the knee

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Speaker 1: surgery and looking for a contract. Saying with Ryan Jensen,

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Speaker 1: he's sure to get some interest on the open market

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Speaker 1: as well. So a lot of questions this season, whereas

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Speaker 1: we felt we got those answers pretty quick last year

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Speaker 1: with them being able to resign all those guys, and

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Speaker 1: for a third straight year, the Packers playoff woes after

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Speaker 1: phenomenal regular season show up once again. Most wins in

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Speaker 1: a three season span is what you're looking at in

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Speaker 1: the regular season thirty nine wins for the Packers these

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Speaker 1: last three seasons without a super Bowl appearance. The most

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Speaker 1: we've seen did it from games but no super Bowl appearances. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and so now love to assess what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: here with the Packers, but first let's try to make

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Speaker 1: sense of this and Bucky or or DJ rather, what

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Speaker 1: do you feel like these playoff issues mean for the

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Speaker 1: way that the Packers are constructed, the way that Rogers

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00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: has played in these games, and all of it here

643
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: moving forward? Well, it's kind of weird, right, I mean

644
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: because in some ways I think a lot of it

645
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: has to do with just the environment which they play.

646
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Because you're Aaron Rodgers in the MVP the league probably

647
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: for the second year and row he's gonna win that here. Um,

648
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: your team is built on your right arm being able

649
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: to throw the football. So you go out, you have

650
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the best individual season, you have the best team season

651
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: to give yourself the number one seed, and your reward

652
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: is you're going to play in an environment that doesn't

653
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: really match your team or you individually when you get

654
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: into this cold weather and in some of the environments,

655
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: it's not like maybe some of the older Green Bay

656
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: teams where you're just a real physical bunch. They haven't

657
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: been able to match the physicality of some of these

658
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: teams that have come into Lambeau. So it's it's a

659
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: it's a weird situation. I would just put it to

660
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Speaker 1: you this way. I'd love Can I ask Bucky a question?

661
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask a question, uh Buck, if if you

662
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Speaker 1: gave Aaron Rodgers truth serum and said you can play

663
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: that game against San Francisco forty Niners at home and Lambeaux,

664
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Speaker 1: or you can go play that in California, where would

665
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: he have preferred to play that football game? Well, he

666
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: would look Nats if you'd like to play it in

667
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: uh nice conditions, So playing in San Francisco would benefit it.

668
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: I do believe you had a bit of a cross

669
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Speaker 1: rows DJ when you talk about the Green Bay Packers,

670
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: because you're right, their style of play doesn't necessarily match

671
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: their environment when you're a cold weather team. We talked

672
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: about it. You should typically be built on your defense,

673
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: running game, and those things, because when you play in January,

674
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: it's cold, the field is icy or snoring. That is

675
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: not necessarily the perfect environment to be a pass heavy team.

676
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't fit. And the factors have operated like this

677
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: for the past thirty years with only two Super Bowl wins. However,

678
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: the Lombardi Packers in the sixties and seven, they were

679
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: built on the running game, and so you do wonder

680
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: can they continue to exist with this passing team in

681
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: an environment that is frigid and frosty and it's not

682
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: going to change in Green Bay? Does that? Then? DJ

683
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: paint the picture of a future destination for Aaron Rodgers

684
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: as he assesses his football future here this offseason. It

685
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: looks around and with the landscape, you know, will be

686
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: four teams that are looking for a veteran quarterback here

687
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: this offseason. Yeah, I mean, it's just hard to find

688
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: those those perfect fits. Right. We go someplace where the

689
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: weather is outstanding. I know, even you know, people say, oh,

690
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: you don't go to Denver because you know it gets

691
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: snow and cold weather there. Well, not like Green Bay.

692
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: And you're also in that division you're playing a lot

693
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: of warm weather games inside that division. So it'll be

694
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: fastening to see what happens here with Green Bay and

695
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers going forward. But you have to look

696
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: at this is there's nothing but a huge disappointment for

697
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: them to be going home this early. Yes, a huge

698
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: disappointment for the team to be going home early. And

699
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: as you speak about with Aaron Rodgers, he may go

700
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: and find a team that provides him with a better

701
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: opportunity in terms of playing will in the postseason. But

702
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to find a better team.

703
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: And so that's the delimited Rodgers has. Does he want

704
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: to play in a place that allows him to maybe

705
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: play at his best in the postseason or do he

706
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: does he want to stay and play with the best

707
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: team in the postseason. It'll be interesting to see what

708
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: ultimately is decided in Greenback. Well, the variable there is

709
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: that the team that just lost to the forty niners

710
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: may not look like that next year. I mean, you've

711
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: got the uncertain futures of a bunch of guys. As

712
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers note, it does not want to be a

713
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: part of a rebuild. Um. So the question is like

714
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: is this really more of a retooling for Brian Goodikins

715
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: than in the Packers personnel department, Or can they find

716
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: a way, you know, to rearrange this thing in a

717
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: way that might entice Aaron Rodgers come back for another

718
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: year despite all the other circumstances. Or the first official

719
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: hire of this year's cycle since Bill's assistant GM, Joe

720
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: Shane to New York as the Giants new general manager,

721
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: replacing the retired Dave Gentleman. Shane now charged with hiring

722
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: a head coach to replace the fire Joe Judge in

723
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: one name very familiar to Shane, heating up on that front.

724
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Second interview with Bill's offensive coordinator Brian Dable is happening

725
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: tomorrow according to our Tom Pellicerodable. Of course the Bills

726
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: uh oh Ce, who just left the postseason last night. Okay,

727
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: back here with DJ and Bucky. Let's do Joe. Shane

728
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: is solid here, d J let's line up his to

729
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: do list for this offseason with priority number one in

730
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: your mind? Well, to me, it's it's helped support Daniel Jones.

731
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: This was an anemic passing offense, but I still think

732
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: when you look at the town of Daniel Jones stacked

733
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: up with the quarterbacks in this class. He is your

734
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: best option going forward, So get him some help along

735
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: that offensive line. Get him another receiver. I didn't love

736
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: the Kenny Golladay signing last year. Don't let that mistake

737
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: keep you from trying to be aggressive and go get

738
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: him some help. He's also got to clean up some

739
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: salary cap stuff to give himself that opportunity. Look, you're

740
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: talking out that part of it, like you certainly want

741
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: to build around a young quarterback. But I think, knowing Joe,

742
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: because we said together in old Carolina Panthers meeting rooms,

743
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: I think they have to upgrade the speed on defense

744
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: speed speed speed. When you think about the teams that

745
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: are continue to play in the tournament, their defenses are fast,

746
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: they're physical, and they're able to create turnovers. Speed is

747
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: a big part of that. I think you will see

748
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: the Jazz become more athletic, more explosive, and more dynamic.

749
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: But to do that, you have to have some A

750
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: plus athletes. I think that has to be the priority

751
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: for the Giants and the draft. A great to speed

752
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: and athleticism on the defense side of the ball. I

753
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: also would add to you've got to get You've got

754
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: to get more creative offensively with who you bring in

755
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: to run this office. Maybe it is Brian day Ball,

756
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: but unleash say Kwon Barkley. Figure out how to get

757
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: him going. I know he's had injuries, but man, the

758
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: dude does have a lot of ability. Figure out how

759
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: to get him going in the passing game more, be

760
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: more creative with him. Hopefully you can stay healthy and

761
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: be a big part of this team going forward. But

762
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: he's got to be a building block here in this

763
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: next season. Yeah, he has to be a building block.

764
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: You gotta find a to utilize him. And we talked

765
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: about a DJ. You gotta pick which side of the

766
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: ball you want to be great at. We're seeing these

767
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: teams with these young quarterbacks are really committing to making

768
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: sure the offense is solid, then they fixed the defense later,

769
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: Will Joe Shane make a decision to go all in

770
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: on Dania Jones fix this offense. See if you can

771
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: get into respectable with the offense being great, then fixed

772
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: the defense to following you make it wrong. Hey, look

773
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: top ten of your first mock drift. DJ certainly went

774
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: a long way to helping that to do list. You

775
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: get a big offensive tackle with that first pick, and

776
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: then you get some speed on defense with Devin Lloyd

777
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: out of Utah, one of the best linebackers in this

778
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: year's class for sure. Um and I think I think

779
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: we solved it. I think we solved it here. So

780
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: there you go. Make fiersity trying to kick the Bengals

781
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: into the a f C Championship Paris to snapper Hubert

782
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: will Hold it steaks the Laggers. He's good. Wins. They

783
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: were going to the f C Championship game for the

784
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: first time, so it's night. The Bengals. Mantra has been

785
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: why not us, and they're right, Oh, it's beautiful. That's

786
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: why you draft a kicker. Evan McPherson, the rookie drafted

787
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: by the Bengals UH this past year, and look it

788
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: is paying off in spades. He has been phenomenal for

789
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: them this season. No kick bigger than that one to

790
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: send them to the a f C Championship Game, Bucky

791
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: laid out for us. Man, you've been tweeting about it

792
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: as you were watching all the special teams action take

793
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: place here this weekend. Why is it so important, especially

794
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: under the microscope when you get into the postseason for

795
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: the special teams. Hey, we talked about it. Your biggest

796
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: wars are exposed on the biggest stages of the postseason.

797
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: And so the third phase of the game, the kicking game,

798
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: is a big part of A coach is standard from

799
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: the podium and talk about it all day, but not

800
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: every coach put their commitment behind that conversation. And so

801
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: when I look at the can City Chiefs, Tarik Kio

802
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: going back to her in a punt and then he

803
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: takes it fifty yards changed the game, but potentially could

804
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: have given him a nice lead if he takes in

805
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: the distance. Being able to knock down kicks with your kicker,

806
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: we are seeing kickers haven't increased importance in the postseason

807
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: because those guys that can give you the sure three

808
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: it matters. And so in the postseason we're seeing the

809
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: importance and make sure you loaded up with big time players.

810
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: The kicking game is important. We're seeing the importance in

811
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: the postseason. Yeah, I love it. Love the toughness of

812
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: no sleeves from Butcker there in the in the cold

813
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: tempts at Kansas City. I mean, like you just knew

814
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: that was going in Evan McPherson. We talked about that

815
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: knew what was going in. How about Robbie Gold's reaction

816
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Garoppolo after kicking the game winner in the snow,

817
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: in the little I mean, the absolutely freezing conditions at Lambeau.

818
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: He talks about he said it right there, He's like, man,

819
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: that felt good kicking that game winner. Celebration with Jimmy

820
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: got you know a little more um. How should we

821
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: say this adult language is um at that point, but

822
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: they were both acknowledging how big that moment was for Gold,

823
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: who has been so good since he came over from

824
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: the Bears with the forty niners. And look, I mean

825
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: you just I just don't think you can underestimate the

826
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: importance of having that kind of confidence in your kicker

827
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: to get it done in those kinds of conditions. And

828
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: give some love to the guys who cover the kicks.

829
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: Bence chronic for the Rams was outstanding and kicked they couldn't.

830
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: And you're going through the draft process, don't forget about

831
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: those guys and the holders, okay, and the snappers. It's

832
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: the entire operation. Give some love to the long snappers

833
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: and to the punters and everybody who's out there holding,

834
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: and we saw Kyle us check out the hold. But

835
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: the forty Niners. It all matters in the postseason. We'll

836
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: see you guys later. Thanks to me with us here

837
00:38:44,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: on this Monday, moved the sticks for a moment. Ut