1 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: All right, what's going on? 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: What's up y'all? 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 3: This is another episode of the Beatdown Podcast. I am 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: your host senior writer for they walk and think Commanders 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: that Selby and unfortunately we have to talk about another loss. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Right. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: Twenty eight to seven was the score on Monday night 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: football in Kansas City. Had a rousing first half there, 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 3: seven to seven, tying up with against Patrick Holmes. 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 4: But there we go. 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: I hear you, okay, As you can tell, Chick is 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: gonna be one of our guests here. But either way, 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 3: it was rousing first half, but twenty one unanswered points 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: scored by the Chiefs, a couple of turnovers there by 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: the Commanders MARIOA played well, but not well enough to 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 3: pull out a win. Now they have to lick their 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: wounds and come back to play the Seattle Seahawks on 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: Sunday Night football with our Monks Jersey retirement. Pretty cool, 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: how about that? But hopefully they will carry that momentum 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: from arts Jersey retirement into having a better performs with 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: maybe Jade and Daniels coming in and playing. We'll see, 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: but either way, we have two guests come on to 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: discuss and debate to the game with me First, we 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: have Scott Abraham, sports director from ABC seven. Scott, how 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: you doing, man? 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: Good? 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: Great to be out with you in Chick. 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And we have Chicken and Is from WUSA nine, Chick, 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: How are you a man? 30 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 4: First off? How do you go with Scott? First? 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 5: That's what I want to know. I don't understand that. 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, let's let's age beauty, all of 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 5: it and then boom Scott first. 34 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: Okay, sure whatever. 35 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 6: Well, I'm just so glad he understands the best friends 36 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 6: have to be together. 37 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: You know. Well, not not for nothing, chick, but you 38 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: know Scott was here early. 39 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, just say it. 40 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: He was. 41 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: He was pre punctual and you were right on schedule. 42 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 5: So has Scott's young Scott has young kids, so you 43 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 5: mine are all grown. So Scott's up early. I do 44 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 5: the school thing. I'm sure Scott makes lunches for the 45 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 5: for the for the oh yeah, what's the going lunch 46 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 5: right now? 47 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 6: I'm just gonna Journey's a big just she likes her ham, 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 6: no bread, and she likes mandarin oranges and cut up cucumbers. 49 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: No bread, yeah, no bread, just the sliced ham. 50 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 4: YEP. 51 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: I guess I can kind of respect that. I mean, 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: just was she picky with the bread? Like? 53 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Is she just like she just likes her deli meat? No, 54 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: no bread? 55 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 4: Okay, who doesn't like deli meat by the. 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Way, especially me? 57 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 6: Like two in the morning, you know in the morning 58 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 6: is the best? 59 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely well. 60 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: Wrong with people? All right? Sorry, sorry, that's back on course. 61 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: After talking about not gonna happen. 62 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 6: With me already got your headline for the podcast act 63 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 6: U Commander's Deli Meat and I don't know you finished 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 6: the rest, but deli Meat's got to be part of 65 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 6: the headline. 66 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, no bread, let's go. 67 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I think so well, everyone listening knows the deal here. 68 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be asking these guys three questions about the 69 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: matchup with the Seahawks and will be giving points out 70 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: to these guys. One of these people will emerge as 71 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: a winner from this week. 72 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: We'll see who it is. 73 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 3: And with that being said, we'll jump right into it 74 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 3: and we will go with the Commander's run game, which 75 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: has really struggled over the last three weeks. During this 76 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: in this losing streak, they at one point they were 77 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: leading the league in rushing yards per game, but over 78 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: the last three weeks. They are twentieth in rushing yards 79 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: per game, had sixty yards against the Chiefs, including eighteen 80 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: in the second half. One of many problems for the 81 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: Commanders that in that second half of that matchup with 82 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 3: Kansas City. But DQ said he wants to get get 83 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: it back on track. It has to be an important 84 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: part of their game going forward if they're going to 85 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: have any measure of success for the rest of the 86 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: year and hopefully make a push for the playoff. We'll see, 87 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: But how exactly do the DOA is going to be 88 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: the main question, main top do this question here? So, 89 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: so Chick, we shall start with you. Now, wow, yeah 90 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: about that. I want to know what do you think 91 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: the cause of this, this lull in the run game 92 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: is and how do you think they're going to correct 93 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: this against the Seahawks defense that is allowing the fewest 94 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: yards per game on the ground in the NFL so 95 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: far of the season. 96 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 4: Well, let's be let's be honest. 97 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 5: You know, if you don't have Jad and Daniels back there, 98 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 5: the threat is not quite as much. Now, Marcus Mariotto 99 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 5: is really really good and he will put his body 100 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 5: in harm's way, But Jayden just runs like a downhill skier, 101 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 5: and he creates so many different problems for a defense 102 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 5: because they have to watch out for him. The last 103 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 5: three weeks, I think Cliffers has gone away from it 104 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 5: with the mixed mash of the two quarterbacks. I personally 105 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 5: would would like to see more Jeremy McNichols. I like Bill, 106 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 5: he's a rookie, He's going to learn his way. But 107 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 5: McNichols has had some big chunk plays almost every time 108 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 5: he touches the ball. So this whole running back by committee, 109 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,559 Speaker 5: it's fine, but use all of them, and they haven't 110 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 5: done that, and I think that's part of the reason. 111 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: But it just comes back to me to number five. 112 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 5: He creates such havoc that when you know, opposing defensive 113 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 5: coordinators have told me throughout the season, we worry about 114 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 5: where he is at all times. I'm talking about Jaden 115 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 5: and he's impossible to defend unless they call plays that 116 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 5: make it easier. And I think cliff has done that 117 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 5: in recent times. That's why it's gone down. So I say, 118 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 5: you go, you get Jimmy McNichols the ball more, because 119 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 5: every time he touches the ball something really positive has happened. 120 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: Simple, so you test on a lot of really good 121 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: things there. I like this stuff about Jayden. I think 122 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: that Nichol stuff is also interesting, and while they're gone 123 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: away from it, I think is something with that. 124 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to have you expand on. 125 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: A little bit in the Layer, but I'm allow Scott 126 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: to answer next year with the same question, what do 127 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: you think is the cause of this? And I mean, 128 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: is there a simple solution to fix it? Or is 129 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: this thing a little more convoluted than that. 130 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 6: I think what dan Quinn kind of touchdown earlier in 131 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 6: the week of the pass in the run working in concert, 132 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 6: and I think there's too much of the horizontal pass 133 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 6: game going on right now. 134 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: Wide receiver screens, quick throws. 135 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 6: I would love to see Washington try to push the 136 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 6: ball down the field a little bit more, a little 137 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 6: bit more explosive plays in the pass game, which hopefully 138 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 6: would open up the running game. Right now, I don't 139 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 6: think the pass game is a big threat for opposing defenses, 140 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 6: so they can really kind of key in on these 141 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 6: these wide receiver screens or the run game because the 142 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 6: downfield threat really isn't there. Remember, they haven't had Terry 143 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 6: McLaurin and Deebo, Samuel Obviously they came back for Kansas City, 144 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 6: but they're they're back in the lineup now. And to 145 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 6: add on to chicks point, I think you need to 146 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 6: kind of sit. I wouldn't say sit, but take a 147 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 6: little out of the starting lineup. He's been, Uh, he 148 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 6: hasn't been hasn't been great since the Chargers game. The 149 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 6: last three games, Bills kind of struggled. I don't see 150 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 6: the explosiveness. I would love to see maybe a little 151 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 6: bit more from McNichols, Chris Rodriguez. 152 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: Let them maybe get the starting nod. 153 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 6: Maybe they can generate some more uh kind of buzz 154 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 6: with this running game. 155 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: So uh to to push. 156 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 6: The ball down the field a little bit more, maybe 157 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 6: give Bill a little bit of a break or kind 158 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 6: of my two things too, maybe help this run game going. 159 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: And the receiver issue is part of it, right, because 160 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: it's an issue, yeah, because it's while we all would 161 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: love Luke and I like Jalen, I think we can 162 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: all agree that the plan was not to have them 163 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: as you're starting wide receivers, right because when you got 164 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: Terry and Deebo and Noah Brown who's still on IR 165 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: like that was that was the original plan. But uh, 166 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: you know, to go over back to you and you 167 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: mentioned Jayde, you mentioned McNichols, and I want to touch 168 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: on Jayden here a little bit because obviously he has 169 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: the hamstering injury, which he's a expected to practice this week. 170 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: We'll see how he does. You know, they're they're going 171 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: to be very careful about his availability. But if if 172 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: he that as we know, hamstring injuries are very like 173 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: they're very tricky because they're soft titsu injuries like and 174 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: you want to get more involved, like how how how 175 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: can they do that? Whenever you also want to protect 176 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: this guy and hopefully keep him, you know, off the 177 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: sideline for you know, an extending amount of weeks. Then 178 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: now it's his third game missed. I mean, you don't 179 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: want to miss anymore. So how do you how do 180 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: you balance the fact of keeping him involved in the 181 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: run game with also protecting him. 182 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 5: Well, that's the problem, because the athlete is is the issue. 183 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 5: And as we've all seen, Jaydon Daniels is his own 184 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 5: man and not afraid to go anywhere, and he knows 185 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: that he is faster than any lineman, any linebacker, and 186 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 5: a lot of dbs and so your brain goes, oh. 187 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 4: I've got an avenue. I got to go. 188 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 5: And the difficult part for him is going to be, 189 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 5: all right, maybe I can't go full bore, and so 190 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: he's going to become more of a pocket guy, which 191 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 5: we all know is a little bit different. He's a 192 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 5: great thrower, he's a great passer. Ken Cliff designed an 193 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: offense that does that. And and to the point about Scott, 194 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 5: you know, wanting to go less vertical, Well, Terry was 195 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 5: really nice and Terry is the best, the best contention 196 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 5: catcher in the league. There is not a question about it. 197 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 5: But what did you say after the game? Yeah, I 198 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 5: got tweaked a little bit on the quad. So how 199 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 5: does he feel this week? And that's going to be 200 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 5: I think that's a bigger issue for this offense. If 201 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 5: Terry's not there again, then they're going back to what 202 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 5: they've been what they've been doing with Luke and Jalen I. 203 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: For for for Jaden, I just it's gonna be very 204 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 5: difficult for a stud horse to not run at full gallop. 205 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 5: And that's so then you have to design an offense 206 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 5: that kind of opens up passing lanes, which is exactly 207 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 5: what we're talking about here do they have those? 208 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: If you don't have Terry, it's gonna be an issue. 209 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 6: And I'm in the court, and i'm court if you know, 210 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 6: if Jayden's you know, seventy, he's probably gonna be better 211 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 6: than most. So do you take that risk and roll 212 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 6: him out there and you know, cross your fingers that 213 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 6: he doesn't reinjure that hamstring because as we all know, 214 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 6: hamstrings are really, really tricky and can be reaggravated and 215 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 6: reinjured very fast. So they got to be smart with this. 216 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 6: They got to be very calculated. I know it's kind 217 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 6: of a make or break time here with two NFC 218 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 6: games coming up here, and you love to have Jayden 219 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 6: out there, But if he's not one hundred percent and 220 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 6: he can't go full gallop, I don't know how effective 221 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 6: he can be. 222 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 5: All right, By the way, I pulled a hammy getting 223 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: in my chair for this, just so you know, And Scott, 224 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 5: you said the R word, not the R word. 225 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 4: Redsk oh, I just said almost risk. Risk, Yeah, big risk. 226 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 5: And you know, those guys want to be very careful 227 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 5: with number five, and we all like to see him 228 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 5: play for. 229 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: The bulk of the season. 230 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 5: It's just you know it's it is going to be 231 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 5: an issue, and do you take the time to rest 232 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 5: him as much as possible. 233 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 6: To have perfect example, Chick and Zach just go up 234 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 6: the road on I ninety five in Baltimore. Lamar Jackson. 235 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 6: He was out a month. He's finally coming back this week. 236 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 6: So he he missed three games, So I I will 237 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 6: be I will be surprised. I'm honestly, I will be surprised. 238 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 6: If Jayden plays uh this week, we'll see them. 239 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Scott. 240 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: I also, before we move on to the next question, 241 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: I want to ask you because you mentioned the receivers 242 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: and all that stuff, and as Chick mentioned Terry, Terry 243 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: didn't seem as confident about his about his availability this weekend. 244 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: So say, and you say you don't want to see 245 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: all the horizontal passing game, but say Terry is aly, 246 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 3: what what is your solution there for that? 247 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,239 Speaker 2: Listen, j Jalen Lane, Luke McCaffrey. 248 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 6: They're growing, they're learning, but they're not Terry McLaurin, they're 249 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 6: not Deebo Samuel. So where is the threat? If I'm 250 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 6: a defense I'm not scared of Jalen Lane or Luke McCaffrey. 251 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, no offense to them, but they're there. They 252 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 6: have not arrived yet at the level of a Terry 253 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 6: McLaurin and Deebo Samuel. So from a schematic aspect, it 254 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 6: makes it much more challenging to run the football because 255 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 6: they're gonna be pushing up towards the box and there's 256 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 6: just no threat of the downfield pass game. So Cliff 257 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 6: Kingsbury is gonna have to get creative and try to 258 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 6: figure out ways to get more explosive down the field 259 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 6: passes because, uh, these defenses understand what they're trying to do, 260 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 6: this horizontal pass game. So it's up to Cliff Kingsbury 261 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 6: and this offensive staff to figure out a way to 262 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 6: kind of push this ball down the field a little 263 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 6: bit more. 264 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: Yes, they definitely will, and I mean to just kind 265 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: of put a bow on this here, just ja Cory 266 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: Krossky marat facing I think the ninth most eight man 267 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: boxes in the league according to the Next Gen stats. 268 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: So the defenses clearly know that this is what the 269 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: commanders are gona how to do, and there's they're basically 270 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: able to over commit to it because of the of 271 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: the weaknesses and lack of lack of personnel receivers. So 272 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 3: we'll move on, but before we do that, I'll give you, 273 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: guys both points. Really great discussion there. Both good points 274 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: made on Jayden, Jaylen, lou Terry all that other stuff. 275 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: Really good discussion there. So we'll go on here and 276 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: going to the other side of the ball here. 277 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna deduct one point from you, though, Zach, 278 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 5: because you call him to Cory move on now. 279 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: Oh of course, excuse me, Cory A ka Bill. 280 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: Rayone. 281 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: Who doesn't who doesn't, who is just now listening to 282 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: this podcast. 283 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: I think I think. 284 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 6: Bullying the host deserves a negate negation of a point. 285 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: I'm all for bullying of a host. 286 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: I also love it your land. That's fair. I can 287 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: appreciate that absolutely. 288 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: All right, So onto the defense, and I think we 289 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: can probably say that the defense is performance. In the 290 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: first half, what's arguably maybe the best that they've they've 291 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: looked all season. Some of the changes that they made 292 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: seemed to be really working. 293 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: They were playing with a little. 294 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: Bit more energy, which I can say personally that I 295 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: had not really seen that much from them in previous games. 296 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: And they forced two turnovers, which is what they equaled 297 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: their number of turnovers that they had referred in just 298 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: one half. But the Sea Hawks are tired for the 299 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: second most giveaways this season. And Scott will start with 300 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: you and I want to know what is the best 301 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: way for this Commander's defense to continue that success they 302 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: had in the first half against the Chiefs before getting 303 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: away from it and also hopefully generating more takeaways against 304 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: a team that is kind of willing in a way 305 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 3: to just give it away. 306 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 6: Boy, I loved what I saw from the first half 307 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 6: from that Washington defense. That was what I imagined from 308 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 6: week one, the expectation of the intensity, the purpose flying around, 309 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 6: you know, Jeremy Reeves blowing up screens. It was awesome 310 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 6: to see the intensity that defense played in the first half. 311 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 6: Second half, they got Patrick Mahomes. I mean that as 312 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 6: simple as that. He proved to be why he's one 313 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 6: of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play the game. So 314 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 6: I want them to bottle that up in that first half. 315 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 6: I think it's a mindset, right, I mean, you just 316 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 6: saw it. The defense flashed on the screen. I wasn't 317 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 6: there in person, but what I was watching on that 318 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 6: television kick like that one they just popped off the screen, 319 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 6: So I think they have to, you know. So what 320 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 6: happened in that first half. They made Mahomes uncomfortable, They 321 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 6: got a lot of pressures on him. Jacob Martin was 322 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 6: fantastic coming off the edge, so they rattled them and 323 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 6: that forced theme a force throw to Marshawn Lattimore making 324 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 6: a great play. Then it kind of snowballs where you 325 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,239 Speaker 6: play with that energy, you play with that high intensity, 326 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 6: and balls get tipped, you get another takeaway. So I 327 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 6: just think it's a mindset guys, I really do, and 328 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 6: they can do it. They proved that in the first 329 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 6: half against Kansas City. If they stick to that kind 330 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 6: of the mindset and just playing with that energy and 331 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 6: that intensity, I think that goes a long way. 332 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: It definitely I think, and this is kind of just 333 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: an old classic phrase, but I think defense is more 334 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: of a mindset mentality as opposed to an offense, just 335 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: in my personal opinion, because yeah, absolutely so, Chick, same question, like, 336 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: what did you think about the first half of the 337 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: matters defense? 338 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: How do they maintain that against the Seahawks? 339 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 5: Well, how do they maintain this is really the major 340 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 5: question for Joe wid junior. And you know, they I 341 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 5: use the term dumb it down, which is kind of 342 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 5: what they said. They took out a lot of the 343 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 5: complications from it, and you saw athletes reacting more so, 344 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 5: not being stuck in a oh where am I supposed 345 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 5: to be? They kind of reacted and that's what took 346 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 5: place in that first half. Listen, Sam Darnold ain't Patrick Mahomes, 347 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: and Mahomes is a different cat. 348 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: He creates so many more. 349 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 5: Problems for especially a secondary because he no lineman's going 350 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 5: to get him on the first you know. I mean, 351 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 5: although Jacob got to him, but for the most part, 352 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 5: Liman aren't going to get to him. So now, I 353 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 5: mean the one play he made in the second half 354 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 5: where he backpedaled. 355 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: He knew where his guy was going to be. 356 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 5: He just sucked in the entire defense and said, oh 357 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 5: look there's a little soft underbelly fifteen yards down the field. 358 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 5: Bam bam. Sam Darnold doesn't have that. So I mean 359 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 5: to do it all game long? That is the question. 360 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 5: That is the question for this defense. Can they maintain 361 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 5: for four quarters? They have not done that. That is 362 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: a that is an issue for this defense. But they're 363 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 5: facing an offense that won't be quite as dynamic as 364 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 5: they saw on Monday night. I want to see. The 365 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 5: energy was great. The energy was great the second half 366 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 5: as well. 367 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: By the way, yes, oh yeah, but they got home. 368 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but they had my homes and so I 369 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 5: think that that changes the equation, uh for sure. 370 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. And they got the turnovers. 371 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 5: One was caused by the you know, by the by 372 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 5: the offense with the tip pass. But I think they're 373 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 5: feeling better about themselves and they're gaining a confidence and 374 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 5: that's a lot of what takes place for a defense 375 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 5: is when you get that and you get a push. 376 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 5: They got to push last week. Jacob Martin was dude, 377 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 5: I was there. Scott wasn't. I was there, and I 378 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 5: was I was you know, in the pregame, Jacob Martin 379 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 5: was right behind me doing drills with Ryan Kerrigan and 380 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 5: and we could feel it, like like, man, he is 381 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 5: explosive just just in a warm up and then it 382 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 5: comes out and just does the same thing in the game. 383 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 5: He was a captain, one of the captains obviously, and so. 384 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 4: They have to be. 385 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 5: Look that we're in that part of the season right 386 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 5: now where if they don't start making an impact and 387 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 5: a big impact with an offense that, as we've already documented, 388 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: could be without some players again, then then they're gonna 389 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 5: be in trouble. 390 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that the part of the putting 391 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: the other four quarters can be symbolic of the entire team, right, 392 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 3: no doubt defense, because they definitely have they have I 393 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: think maybe maybe Las Vegas, I think that was one 394 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: be one of the only time they put together full 395 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: four quarters, and even then that was a little spotty 396 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: at times. But Scott, I want to go over you 397 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: and talk about that second half specifically because one of 398 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: the biggest problems with the defense has been allowing explosive plays. 399 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: It's been a lingering issue, not just this year but 400 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: last year, and there were a lot of them against 401 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 3: the against the Chiefs in that second half. So I 402 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 3: don't want to simplify it and debit out to say, like, 403 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: all right, what's the problem with the how you solve 404 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: these exposive plays? But is there anything they can do 405 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: with these changes, because according to Deku, it wasn't a miscommunication. 406 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 3: They just got to get the plays right. Like what 407 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: do they do to to get some of these these 408 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: exposive plays down to maybe even not as explosive, maybe 409 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: a twenty yard game is more like a seventeen yard game, 410 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 3: or just kind of get limited, like stop the bleeding 411 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: a little bit. 412 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 6: Well, I think if I look back and remember this 413 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 6: second half, there are a lot of self inflict wounds 414 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 6: by this Washington defense. I remember that first opening drive 415 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 6: out of the second half for Kansas City. 416 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: Two costly penalties penalties. 417 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 6: Kwan Martin had the high hit fifteen yarder extended a drive. 418 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 6: They had a Jeremy Reeves holding penalty in the end zone. 419 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 6: I think it was a third down play that that 420 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 6: gave Kansas City new life and they they ended up 421 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 6: converting a touchdown. They could not get off the field 422 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 6: on fourth downs in this in the second half, So 423 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 6: a lot of it has to do with kind of 424 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 6: self inflicted wounds of getting off the field on third 425 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 6: down and these these silly penalties that are really kind 426 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 6: of costing them in certain situations. 427 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: And in terms of just limiting the explosive plays. 428 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 6: That we talked about, that buzzword communication, communication, communication, and 429 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 6: that's what Joe what Junior harps on, that's what dan 430 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 6: Quinn harps on, and I asked Darnell Savage a couple 431 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 6: of weeks ago, what does that mean for listeners and viewers? 432 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: What does that mean communication? 433 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 6: Getting that down from a defensive standpoint, he's, like Darnell said, 434 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 6: to kind of understand the play and what's coming at 435 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 6: you before it happens. So in kind of letting your 436 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 6: teammates knowing the guys on the back end, the linebacker, 437 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 6: the defensive line of what's about to happen, knowing what 438 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 6: play is coming, know the formation, in communicating pre snaps. 439 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: So we'll see if they do a better job of that. 440 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 6: Again, the Chiefs offense is one of the most dynamic 441 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 6: offenses in the league, so it was a big challenge 442 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 6: for them to kind of limit those explosives. For the 443 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 6: most part, I thought they did a pretty good job. 444 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 6: I think they gave up three or four explosives, but again, 445 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 6: in a close game like that, they add up and 446 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 6: it eventually costs in the game. 447 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 5: Let me let me let me add to that with 448 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 5: the miscommunication stuff. First of all, it was telling that 449 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 5: d Q said no, no, not a miscommunication, which means, okay, 450 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 5: that was player error, simple as that wasn't a miscommunication. 451 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 5: And to Scott's point the if there's confusion, then Darnell 452 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 5: talking about, you know, being aware of. 453 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 4: What's what's coming. 454 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 5: If we're in the press box and you can see 455 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 5: that the defense is confused, guess who else can see that? 456 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: That quarterback who has been drilled and drilled and drilled 457 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 5: on the opposing defense, and when he steps up in 458 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 5: that shotgun, it looks and sees a cornerback waving his 459 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 5: hand at the safety. There's confusion. Well, that quarterback now knows, 460 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 5: all right, this might be my area right here because 461 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 5: they don't know what they're doing. So all I got 462 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 5: to do is watch that first right footstep going the 463 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 5: other way, and it's done. And that's where the explosives come. 464 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 5: Because now that quarterback knows, all right, there's an area 465 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 5: here that's going to be wide open because they didn't 466 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 5: know what they were doing, and you can't have that, 467 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 5: especially eight nine weeks into a season. 468 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 3: Chick, we'll kind of switch over here before we move 469 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 3: on to the final question, and I want to talk 470 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: about the pastors because they did get to get to 471 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: Mahomes a little bit there. Jacob Martin obviously had two 472 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: sacks and they're going against a Seattle quarterback, who, as 473 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: we mentioned, is not Patrick Mahomes in a lot of ways, 474 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: he's not able to escape in the way is that 475 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: that Patrick Mahomes is able to escape? So you know, 476 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 3: obviously Jacob Martin came up and stepped up here. But 477 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 3: with Dorren's Armstrong out for the year, and they have 478 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 3: to switch up a little bit, like how is Jacob Martin? Like, 479 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: obviously he's a bigger piece here, but what do you 480 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: think is going to be the answer in term to 481 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: bring more pressure, because in order to help with the secondary, 482 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get something else out of this 483 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: group that to be fair, it has been down three 484 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: pass rushers that's gonna be gone for a significant port 485 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: more portunate time at the earliest. 486 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's stunning. 487 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 5: You know, looked, everything went right last year for the Commanders, 488 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 5: everything went right, and this year you lose three defensive ends. 489 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 5: It just it doesn't make any sense. But that's that's 490 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 5: what this NFL is. And And the next time I 491 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 5: see Johnny Newton, which will be today, I might slap 492 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 5: him and I might get killed. But to toss Patrick 493 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 5: down just made absolutely So they're making serse penalty y 494 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 5: uh yeah, yeah, I mean Jacob Johnny all those guys, 495 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 5: and I'd like to see a young line you know, 496 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 5: uh be sent uh you know, to to go after 497 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 5: Sam Darnald King, Midrano, somebody like that, to put him 498 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 5: in there, McGee, get him, get them and go. 499 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 4: Just go and do it early. By the way, do 500 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 4: it early. 501 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 5: Try to confuse him and fluster him, even though he's 502 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 5: a veteran quarterback. 503 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 4: Fluster him. 504 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: We shall move on to the final question here. Both 505 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: of you guys, he points again, tied into the final round. 506 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: How about that? 507 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: And you mentioned came Agrono check and I think that's 508 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: one of the other players who have gotten more opportunities here. 509 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: Taller Owen and Jordan McGee were two of the most 510 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 3: notable players last week against the Chiefs that really got 511 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: more like a significant bump and playing time as the 512 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: Stevens kind of tries to refigure itself out for the 513 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 3: second half of the season. But of the other defensive 514 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: players out there, who do you think is going to 515 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: be another guy that you would like to see get 516 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: more opportunities? Is Madrono for you or is it going 517 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 3: to be someone else? 518 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: Turp Savage, Yeah, he stole mine. Now now, I have 519 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: no idea who else I'm gonna pick. 520 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 5: You can pick. It's okay, we picked the same one. 521 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 5: We just want to bet a tie and we can 522 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 5: kiss our sisters. A very good looking uh, I think 523 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 5: you look savage. 524 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 4: Has played. I mean for coming in later in the season. 525 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 5: He's played, He's made some plays and some flash plays. 526 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 4: I like him a lot. He's obviously he knows what 527 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 4: he's doing because he's a turp. 528 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 5: And uh, I think Darnell's the guy for me. 529 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 4: That's the guy for. 530 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 5: Me to to He's going to make a play here, 531 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 5: whether it's this week or the next week, that's going 532 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 5: to uh create Uh, it's gonna be a big, big 533 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 5: play in a in a a game changing play. So 534 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 5: that's that's the guy I am looking at because he's 535 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: been solid even in the short time he's been here 536 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 5: to come in and do what he's supposed to do. 537 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: I love that, love that answer a lot, Scott, But 538 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 3: go ahead, go. 539 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: Go for it. 540 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 6: You guys don't understand like Darnell and I go way back. 541 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 6: I covered this dude in high school during my Delaware 542 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 6: Delaware days before he went to DC, and the dude 543 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 6: was an athlete in high school, he was a running back, 544 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 6: All state running back. Such a great, great young man 545 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 6: outside the football field as well. And I want to 546 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 6: bring something up, guys that I don't think has talked 547 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 6: about enough. You know, we go about all these injuries, 548 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 6: so many injuries, you know, go back to Austin Eckler, 549 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 6: Dietrich Wise. I think one of the most underrated, not 550 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 6: talked about injuries this team has had this year Will Harris. 551 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: Will Harris was a blue guy in that secondary. He 552 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 6: was the communicator. I think they really really missed Will 553 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 6: Harris because remember Will Harris was supposed to sub in 554 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 6: for Jeremy Chin who's now with the Vegas Raiders. So 555 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 6: Will Harris had a huge role with this defense and 556 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 6: he's kind of the forgotten man about of all these injuries. 557 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 6: So I think he's been a huge loss for this team. 558 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 6: So that brings me back to a Darnell Savage, who's 559 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 6: snap count has steadily increased every single game. Against Kansas City, 560 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 6: it dipped back down again. But remember go back to 561 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 6: that Kansas City game. 562 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: What happened. 563 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 6: Darnell Savage punched the football out in the second half 564 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 6: and unfortunately Marshawn Lattimore tried to pick it up instead 565 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 6: of fall on it. That could have been another takeaway. 566 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 6: So Darnell Savage in a short sample size has made 567 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 6: some impact plays and he's been there and done that. 568 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: He has a really good track record. 569 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 6: I was actually surprised Jacksonville released him because he did 570 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 6: a lot of good things with Green Bay back in 571 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 6: the day. So I think getting him more incorporated in 572 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 6: this defense, getting a little bit more snaffs. And it 573 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 6: certainly doesn't hurt that he's a he's a terp as chicks. 574 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 5: Never, it never hurts, by the way, so will Harris 575 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 5: on defense and Eckler on offense. The reason that there's 576 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 5: not getting the big chunk plays and the reason that 577 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 5: the receivers, even if it's not Terry McLaurin, is because 578 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 5: Austin Eckler was such a problem composing defenses, whether he 579 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: got it out of the backfield or caught a swing pass, 580 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 5: he created such havoc for that linebacking corps. But now 581 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 5: they can sit back and wait, and that's what's what's 582 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 5: it's an issue there. 583 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: So anyway, yes, man, both you guys have made it 584 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: really tough for me this week because both of you 585 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: guys really brought up a lot of very excellent points here, 586 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: and man, I'm excited to see what Darnold Savage does. 587 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: I think he was a guy who created a lot 588 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 3: of buzz when he first got signed. Here again, Scott said, 589 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: really surprised that he was released by the Jackeville Jaguars. 590 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: As for the winner, I. 591 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 6: Know, listen before you do your spiel, I understand you 592 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 6: guys are team partners w s A nine, Washington. It's okay, 593 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 6: It's okay, I get it. It's okay. 594 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 4: And you know what I understand Scott. Your two guys 595 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 4: with hair, so I know where this is going. 596 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm I wish this was on camera because 597 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 5: she was gonna wear a wig because Zach's hair is 598 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 5: unbelievable and and the coth that that Abraham has is insane. 599 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm over here and just I got 600 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 5: chick lits. 601 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 4: Thanks a lot. 602 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Are you with the best hair between you and I? Scott? 603 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: Best hair on the sideline among the media, I would say, uh, 604 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: just humble brag for ourselves. 605 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: Did you say the chick? 606 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: Didn't you say your your your baldness was voluntary? 607 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 4: Didn't you voluntary. It is voluntary. 608 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 5: I have won a major amount of cash by growing 609 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 5: on the full head of hair, and when I retire 610 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 5: in thirteen years, I will grow the whole whole head back. 611 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: An Wait, all right, so winners here, Chick, remember where. 612 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: You went to school University of Maryland. 613 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: Scott, Remember where you went to school the Syracuse University. 614 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: Well, that's all well and good, but terp stick together. 615 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: I also went to the University of Maryland for grad school. 616 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: And Chick, you are the winner of this week's episode 617 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: of the Beatdown podcast. 618 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 4: I can go, I can live, if I can breathe. 619 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: Well learned, well deserved. 620 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: Yes, I will say if I did believe in ties, 621 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: which I don't, Okay, I would give both. 622 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: Of you the win. 623 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: But since I can't, on principal, Chick, I gotta go 624 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 3: with you. There was a great, well faught round. Scott 625 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: also excellent guests. Really appreciate you coming on, guys. It's 626 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: been great, fantastic. I will go ahead and say this 627 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 3: definitely the best episode of the Wow you. 628 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 2: Talked about deli meat, I mean. 629 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: You can't beat that, all right, quick, before we leave, 630 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 3: best deli meat that you guys have ever had. 631 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 6: Go, I'm a honey turkey guy. So I'm a basic 632 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 6: boards head honey turkey. 633 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: Oh love that. 634 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's a salami. 635 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 5: When I went to Italy this past a couple of 636 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 5: months ago, and we got the salami and uh when 637 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 5: I when we tasted it, me and the wife looked 638 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 5: at each other and went, holy moldy. And then we 639 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 5: can back to the States. I went to a deli 640 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 5: and I said, do you have this particular salami? And 641 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 5: the guy behind the counter said, how do you know 642 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 5: about that? And then he went into the back and 643 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 5: came back ten minutes later and we got two pounds 644 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 5: of it, and for the life for me. And the 645 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 5: name of it is such a weird name, I can't 646 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 5: recall it, but it is phenomenal. So I'm a salami 647 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 5: guy through and through. By the way, Scott knows I'm 648 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 5: big on nicknames and stuff. I used to call his 649 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 5: shooter with two k. 650 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, So I'm gonna call now, I'm 651 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 7: calling Scott now forevermore this He'll be the HNB What 652 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 7: is hn B? 653 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: H n B? 654 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 4: Yep him? 655 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: No bread, oh no bread. 656 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 6: Poor journey journeys in the journeys in the crosshairs. 657 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic. 658 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: Well, on that note, this has been a great episode. Guys, 659 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: everyone Lisening, you've been treated with just an absolute after 660 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 3: this week, and hopefully next week we'll be talking about 661 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: a commander's win. But until next week, this has been 662 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: the beatdown and we'll see you next week. 663 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 4: I'll share the triple shot