WEBVTT - Massachusetts Governor Maura Healey Talks Economic Hit From Trump Cuts 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:07.080 Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.040 I wanted to start by talking about the Massachusetts economy. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.320 Your state has been uniquely. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.000 Impacted by the federal funding cuts. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:17.239 What's the biggest impact you've seen so far. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.560 Well, first of all, it's great to see you, great 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:24.919 to be here among friends and also those online. Look 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.880 you know, in some ways, Massachusetts is no different than 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:28.600 any other. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:29.160 State right now. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.760 I mean the cuts that we've seen to healthcare, to infrastructure, 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:37.760 transportation funds have been cut to our state food, We 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:42.200 could go on. Unfortunately, the Trump administration has made cuts 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.800 that are impacting so many states. But I think that 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.240 for us in particular, we are a knowledge based economy. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.199 We are a state that has grown over the last 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:56.440 two hundred and fifty years through investments in education, research, knowledge, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.400 and it's given rise to this incredible growth, for example 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:01.840 and life sciences. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.560 Where we lead the world. And so when you think. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:10.160 About cuts to NIH funding, NSF funding, Noah, cuts to 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:15.120 colleges and universities, that does have a disproportionate effect on Massachusetts. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.360 And it's not just here's the important thing, it's not 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:23.360 just jobs in those areas, in research, in science, in 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.480 life sciences, for example, it's all the other jobs that 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.720 go with it, because two out of every five jobs 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.600 in those areas are actually jobs in construction, in real estate, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:39.200 in legal IP operations, in hospitality, in restaurants, and so 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.800 you know, that's why those cuts are particularly devastating to 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.360 a state like Massachusetts. But you know, we could talk 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.480 about what I'm doing, yeah, to combat that, but that. 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.040 Is certainly something that we're seeing. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.680 The other thing that's been hard for us is that 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.080 we're a state where as governor, I am very focused 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:01.480 on lowering costs for residents for businesses that include energy costs. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.360 One thing we don't need is energy supply to our 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.160 region cut off. And unfortunately, that's what we're seeing by 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.639 the Trump administration's move to kill jobs and to literally 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.720 take away power by dismantling wind operations on the East Coast. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.080 Yes, and we're gonna absolutely get it to get to wind, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.440 but before we get there, I just did want to 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.280 talk about what you've been doing to combat the threat 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.040 that these funding costs. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:28.480 Pose to the state. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.200 You've proposed using four hundred million dollars in state funding 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:33.720 to help combat that. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:34.799 How far does that go? 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.960 Well, here's the thing Okay, I think this is a 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:43.519 good investment even without what is happening by the Trump administration, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.200 but especially because of the cuts that we're seeing. You know, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.160 I want to be clear as governor of this great 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.280 state of Massachusetts, we're open to the world for business. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.360 We want to continue to be the place that attracts 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.000 students and researchers from around the country, from around the world. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:00.320 We want to attract. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.840 Entrepreneurs and innovators as we have for so many decades. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.360 And you know, part. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.760 Of my statement and coming forward with DRIVE, which stands 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.440 for discovery, Research. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.960 Innovation for a vibrant economy. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.919 The whole point is to say we're making these investments 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.119 because we know the ROI. We've seen it in life 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.880 sciences and that's why we're not just number one in 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:24.320 the country. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.520 We are the global hub for life sciences. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.440 And when you think about climate technology or applied AI 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.640 or even you know, further work that we can do 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.080 in life sciences, these are the kinds of investments. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.320 That we need to make. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.080 So that's four hundred million dollars in state funding that 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.080 we hope to leverage with additional funding from you know, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.640 I'm a big believer I'm a time flavor player and 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.640 public private partnership, you know, that's what we are embracing 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.160 more than ever. So obviously, we have a venture community, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.920 we have a life sciences community, we have an academic community, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.800 we have an investment community. People know and understand what 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.560 it means to make an investment and see a great return, 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.560 and so we're hoping to be able to leverage that 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.360 and really be a model. I don't know of a 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.880 state that's doing this, but it's that important, by the way, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:17.479 not just to Massachusetts, it's important to this country because 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.000 the only one who's winning right now is China. China's 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:26.080 on our campuses in Massachusetts and around the United States, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.880 at our research institutions, at our teaching hospitals, looking to 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.840 recruit everyone away. You've seen that, You've covered that, and 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.280 that's the shame of it all, you know. I am 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.560 about America first. I'm a very competitive person. I want 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.200 Massachusetts soaring and I want America soaring. And one thing 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.000 we shouldn't be doing is not investing in science and 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.919 research and innovation and seeing that essentially to China and 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:51.560 other countries. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.479 Yes, just to go a little bit deeper into that 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.919 public private initiative that you've proposed. Can you give us 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.440 a window into how much interest have you received in 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.160 actually putting money into this and why should individuals or 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.520 businesses put money in a state administered fund. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.520 Well, look, I'm the CEO of the state, and my 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.039 job is to be the best economic steward that I 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.960 can be for this state. And that means making sure 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.440 that we are maximizing the return on taxpayer dollar. It 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.040 also means making sure that I am working inside and 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:27.200 outside of government to provide the best economic infrastructure that 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.200 I can. It's why I've gone big investing in education 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.640 in this state and including a whole pipeline KTA twelve 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.160 and beyond. It's also why I think there's a recognition 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.160 by folks in the private sector that it is our 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:46.040 economic infrastructure at stake, and that's why we all need 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.839 to come together and figure out a way to power 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:53.160 through this time. I think through new and innovative partnerships 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.360 that not only will sustain us through this time, but 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.919 really put in Massachusetts where it should be, which is 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.719 right at the front nationally globally when it comes to 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.000 attracting talent. Again, my message to the world is Massachusetts 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.039 were open for business. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:10.960 We want you to continue to come. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:15.600 Here, study here, research here, innovate here, incubate here. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.240 And grow your companies here. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.280 And we have provided and have sought to provide an 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.840 environment that's conducive to that by providing a pipeline or 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.000 workforce were the most educated workforce in the country, by 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.719 making major improvements to a public transit system, which is 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.239 important to producing more housings so that employees can actually 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.280 afford to live in a place like Massachusetts. These are 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.279 things that I think are very important to the private 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.839 sector and why we've seen energy and synergy around this 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:46.960 kind of collaboration. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:48.719 Do you have a death that I know, Do you 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.880 have a dollar or figure in mind that you'd like 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.760 to read for that or how are you thinking about 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.159 its potential thithe and impact. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.520 Well, these are big numbers, right, but you know, if 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.320 you think about Massachusetts alone, we probably have received per capita, 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.800 the largest amount of NIH funding over the years. It's 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.320 about three point three billions. So we're talking about big numbers. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.840 And it's not to say that we'll be able to 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.640 sort of make up for all of that, but I 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:17.200 think that if we can smartly and nimbly come together 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.600 and make the right investments. Together the public sector and 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.840 the private sector, we'll be able to do something very special. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.200 So I want to I said I'd come back to wind, 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:31.480 which you brought up the Trump campaign, their campaign against wind. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:36.040 There was additional developments today with the proposal to stop 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.760 the development of projects in your state. This past week, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.680 you joined other Democratic governors in a joint statement calling 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:50.280 for the administration to allow permitted offer wind projects to proceed. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.720 What was the reaction to that statement after you put 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:54.000 it up. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.360 Well, I guess we're sort of waiting to see, but 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.520 you know, all of us are in the strongest possible 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.760 terms urging the Trump administration to stop with this, to 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.440 stop with the stop work orders, to stop killing jobs, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.680 to stop cutting off power. I mean literally, when we 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.920 were hearing word that there might be a stop work 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:22.200 order down the entire East Coast, that was incredibly concerning 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.440 for all of US governors. For me, I had the 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.320 concern not only was it going to kill thousands and 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.440 thousands of jobs, it was also going to literally shut 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.480 off power to two hundred thousand homes in businesses because 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:41.120 our wind project is already producing power into the grid, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.760 and so that just doesn't make any sense. And you know, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.600 I am somebody I've been very public about this. I 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.080 support an all of the above approach when it comes 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.400 to energy to. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:52.360 Do what we need to do. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.080 And as somebody who's spent one hundred million dollars to 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.400 create an applied AI hub here in Massachusetts, when you 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.560 think about what our energy needs are as a country, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.199 they're just expanding exponentially. It's why we need nuclear and 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:11.160 solar and hydro and wind and gas. So don't take 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.280 wind off the table. We desperately need it. And that's 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.240 why you saw so many governors come together. Not only 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.280 is it a matter of jobs, because you know, we're 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.360 talking about so many jobs, so many construction jobs, so 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.160 many union jobs. There's been a lot of investment in 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.600 this workforce actually to the tune of hundreds of millions 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.240 of dollars. Don't let that go to waste, and most importantly, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.440 don't shut off power into a region that needs it. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.640 The other thing, of course, is this more power, more supply, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.679 lower costs. Everybody across America is dealing with the high 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:46.520 cost to energy. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.560 So what do you not want to do in the 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:49.120 face of that? 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.240 You don't want to shrink supply, right and so that's 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.920 why we continue to advocate for this most strongly. But 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.720 you know, you think about the companies at the top 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.880 of the index right and you think about you know 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.800 that the needs of tech right now, and in particular, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.520 I think about a state like ours, where we're looking 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.520 to do so much power through technology the energy supply 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.880 as a country, there should be a concerted effort to 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.560 get every state in the country working to work together. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.600 Some states may be better for guests, some states may 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.360 be better for nuclear. Some states may be better situated 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.320 for solar arraysed or hydro or geothermal. By the way, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.680 I want to explore all in Massachusetts. But it seems 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:36.120 to me leadership from the President and the administration would 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.480 look like figuring out a plan to source more energy 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.640 into this country, to build out the transmission line so 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.640 that power can actually flow, so that we have a 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:51.079 reliable and truly independent source of energy for Americans. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.120 Earlier this year, Bloomberg reported that in New York, Governor 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.880 Hokal got the FEDS to lift a stop work order 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.400 on the Empire Wind Project in exchange for dropping opposition 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.120 to new gas pipelines. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:04.600 In the state. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.559 Do you think there's scope for a similar deal in Massachusetts? 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.959 Well, I think we've already talked about that. I mean 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:15.120 that's already that's already known, but that there's a willingness 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:15.480 to do that. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.240 But that's sort of, you know, not enough. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.000 I mean, what we really need to do is have 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:23.680 a comprehensive, concerted strategy where the federal government is working 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:29.040 with states, not against states, in an effort to bring 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.160 more power on board. Right, That's what we should be doing, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.679 and that's what I just you know, really urged the 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:39.559 Trump administration to get back to. It makes no sense 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.400 wind is I don't understand where some of this is 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:42.960 coming from. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.080 This antipathy towards wind. We see WIND. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.960 I mean, look at so many of the states out 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.680 out west. I mean they've been long using WIN. We 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.640 need to continue to do that here and to harness 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.280 it here. It's a tremendous source for us, it's not 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.400 the only source, which is why you know, I'm going 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.720 to continue to work in partnership with other governors. It's 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.559 also wid months ago I invited all the premieres down 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.160 from Canada, you know, and what can we work out 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:14.120 this region and the Eastern provinces in terms of sourcing 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.160 more energy into our regions. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:17.760 So, just to be clear, as part of your all 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.319 of the above approach to energy, you would be supportive 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.680 of new gas pipelines in Massachusetts. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.600 I'd consider any proposals that come our way. In fact, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.440 ever Source, one of our utility companies, just filed a 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.520 proposal for ten years that I personally support because we 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:40.400 need we need some near term solves to the supply 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.080 issue that we have right now in the Northeast. And again, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.480 this is an issue that we see across America, but 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.400 I think it's particularly acute for the Northeast region of 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:49.920 the country. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.160 So at the same time, the state does have some 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.320 pretty ambitious goals in terms of cutting its emissions. Do 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.720 you have a plan B for renewable energy if Trump's 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.480 opposition to wind doesn't really. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.000 Budge Look, I have been I think as governor I 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.600 was the first governor to name a climate chief across 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.200 our administration. I'm very mindful of that. It's why I 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.000 was invited by them Pope Francis to the Vatican to 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.040 talk about how we could work both through national and 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.959 subnational relationships on addressing some of these issues. That said, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.559 I am acutely focused right now on the issue of costs, 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.360 costs for our rate payers, our residents, our businesses, and 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.000 how do you deal with that. You deal with that 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.520 by getting more supply into the region. And I think 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.480 the good news here is that there are a lot 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.800 of different ways to do that to accomplish that that 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:41.520 also make use of a clean energy portfolio that is 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.760 proven to work, and the prices are coming down on that. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.800 So don't take that off the table. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:51.400 I mean, there's a reason why China is building multiple. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.080 Wind farms right now. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.760 Right we already see them in Europe, for example, so 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.280 we know this is part of the solution. Other countries 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.920 are recognizing it. Don't take this, don't take this away again. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.600 If you care about American competitiveness, right and we want 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.320 to have AI and we want to have these data 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:08.920 centers and we want to see this kind of growth, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.520 You're not going to be able to do anything if 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:16.800 you take power away from from these sources. You know, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.680 I think about Virginia. You know they've got that wind 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.320 operation going with Dominion. They've got a lot of data 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.240 centers that need to get powered. I don't know they 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.840 are not going to be able to be powered absent 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.720 that wind source. So it's just an example, but I 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.840 think it's the mentality that we need. It's all of 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.200 the above working together, states and the federal government working together. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.320 So we've talked about a few of the areas where 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.840 the federal government is cutting spending. One area that is 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:49.400 getting more money is Trump's immigration enforcement agenda. Assuming that 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.440 arrests and deportations pick up, what is your strategy for 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:53.960 dealing with that. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:54.960 In the last few siths. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.640 You know, this is just another area where I shake 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.000 my head. You know, the investments have been made there, 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.840 but to what end. We just lost one point two 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:11.480 million people from the employment rules because of those immigration tactics. Right, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.200 one point two million immigrants are not working today who 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:16.560 were working six months ago. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.320 How is that good for our economy? 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.560 And here's what I see, And remember, I was an 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.160 attorney general. As a prosecutor, I put away drug cartels 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:29.880 and drug traffickers and human traffickers. I think I had 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.600 my bona FIDE's there, okay, And I've said I was 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:36.840 all in when it came to taking out violent. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.920 Criminals from our streets, our communities. Right, I think. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.880 Every governor has said, well, help, but that's not what's happening. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:49.080 It's construction workers and nannies and landscapers and health aides, right, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.800 and people taking care of our kids. That's who's getting 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.960 picked up. And it doesn't make any sense economically. It's heartbreaking, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.840 you know, it's heartbreaking. I mean, we are better than that, America. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.880 We're not a country that was about putting little Guatemalan 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.720 kids on a plane and sending them all by their 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.600 lonesome to a foreign country. That's not who we are. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.600 So I just, yes, the money is unbelievable. I think 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.280 it's it doesn't do anything to further public safety. Again, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:24.000 if you focused on violent criminals, that's one thing, but 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.240 that's not what they're running through. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:27.080 Now they've run. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.880 Through that, and so they're taking away people who are 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.280 contributing to our economy, who are paying taxes, who are. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.120 Contributing to our community. The other thing is this, I 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:36.560 think it. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:42.200 Undermines local law enforcement, to be honest, because what local 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.760 law enforcement and state law enforcement need, they need to 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.640 be funded, and instead the Trump administration has cut funding 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.600 for local and state law enforcement for the work that 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.480 we would do with victims of crime. Witnesses to crime, 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.560 for the kinds of support that we give to keep 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.200 people out of the criminal justice system. Cuts to mental health, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.960 cuts to drug recovery and drug treatment programs by the 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.359 Trump administration do not make us more safe. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.199 That's where I'd like to see the money go. 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.760 What would you do if Trump sends the National Guard 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.000 into Massachusetts? 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.000 I don't know why he would. I don't know why 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:19.440 he would. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.399 I'm very proud of the Massachusetts National Guard. Did you 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.800 know that Massachusetts is the birthplace of the National Guard? 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:27.240 I did not. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.480 Yes, We've been around since sixteen hundreds. The very first 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.119 muster of the National Guard was in Salem, Massachusetts. Were 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.720 also the birthplace of the Navy and the Coast Guard, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.400 and we claim the Marines too, because George Washington sent 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.679 a crew off a couple hundred years ago. So I 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.840 really respect and value our military history here. I also 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.040 respect and value our law enforcement work as well. And 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:58.080 to put the Guard on the streets in a way 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.919 they were never intended to be used, which was domestically 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.000 against our own citizens. That's not what the Guard is 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.119 supposed to be doing. That is not the mission, Nor 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.080 do I think it is the mission that the good 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.560 men and women of the Guard signed up for you know, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.200 they signed up to be citizen shouldiers, to be prepared 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.960 to go overseas and fight wars and defend our freedom abroad, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.800 and also to be here it's hurricane season. Think about 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.400 the Guard and how instrumental they've been in natural disasters 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.920 and even during COVID, the work that they were doing. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.320 That's the mission of the Guard. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.840 And so to see it abused in this way as 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.199 a as a really an act of political theater and 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:45.800 just to sort of show a power flex it's it's 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.399 it's terribly distressing and I know it's it's not the 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.040 mission of those teams, and it's it's just sad to see. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.280 So switching gears a little bit, you brought up the 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.600 AI industry. Can you tell us about how you see 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.080 developing that in Massachusetts? Strong businesses here and what is 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:05.600 your vision? 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.200 Yeah, well, first, it does take money in investment, because 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.560 the rest is just happy talk unless you actually put 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.720 some muscle on, some investment and some dollars behind it. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.280 So we've launched one hundred million dollar AI hub that 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.720 we've created that allows research and government and industry to 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:27.480 come together and that's exciting to see. We also, though, 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.280 have focused on how can we create the kind of 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.879 applied AI accelerators that we want to see, and we 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.879 recently announced a partnership with IBM and red Hat where 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.760 they'll be here in Massachusetts and they'll be helping us 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:47.600 create this accelerator network for applied AI entities, and I 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.240 think that's going to be really powerful because again I'm 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.520 for me, the race in Massachusetts is how can we 0:19:54.640 --> 0:20:00.080 use AI to more quickly treat disease and come up 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.280 with cures or you determine what we need to do 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.720 around any number of things, right, I mean that's been 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.960 our focus, and so I'm excited about those things. The 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.680 other thing with this is you've got to have training, 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.440 though you've got to have a workforce. So we put 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.320 a lot of research and resources into our schools how 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.760 to train in our schools on AI because we want 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.000 our young people trained on and acclimated to AI and 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.000 using that as part of a vocational training and also 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.080 something that they learn in a traditional CA to twelve curricula. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.720 I think that's super important. And finally importantly, I think 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.120 you've got to practice what you preach, and so We've 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:40.080 benefited from a wonderful partnership with colleges and universities. Northeastern 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:46.280 University here, pre eminent university. We have students from Northeastern 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.280 that we have actually brought into all of our state 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.040 agencies and we gave them a sandbox, an AI sandbox, 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.639 and they've actually now developed tools that our state employees 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:01.240 are using to make the delivery of governments services faster 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:01.840 and better. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.040 I'll give you an example. 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.720 You apply for you know, you're working on a project 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.680 as a contractor to redo this highway, and typically you'd 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.080 have to call somebody up at the Department of Transportation 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.720 and talk through different change orders and specs that could 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:19.480 take days weeks to wade through nine hundred pages right 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.840 and get a response. Imagine a prompt just a couple 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.960 of minutes later, you have an answer that's going to 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.159 be great for government because it's going to help us 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:32.560 better deliver and serve our people. So I'm very excited 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.720