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Speaker 4: What's up? Another episode Against the Chronicles podcast, And I
Speaker 4: got some surprising news. Got the Homeboy Og Dazzy D
Speaker 4: about to be joining me in m C eight on
Speaker 4: the podcast here on out. You know I need that.
Speaker 4: I need that third wheel, man. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We need that third wheel, and we needed another og,
Speaker 4: not just anybody. Daddy's cracking with you, ma'am.
Speaker 5: Hey man, you know how we do it. Brother, We're
Speaker 5: trying to keep it moving home. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I'm glad to be part of the team. Brother.
Speaker 4: We'll show you know the Homeboy Dazzy D man Og producer,
Speaker 4: rapper extraord. Now we got another person man that's real hot.
Speaker 4: And hear the night Man coming on with us to
Speaker 4: talk about state of hip hop. Come on, Curtis King
Speaker 4: of Honored man. You know Curtis is like one of
Speaker 4: those intellectual hip hop tights. Man. So I'm honored man
Speaker 4: to have him coming here man with us, Man, come
Speaker 4: in the ghetto one time, man and shocking up with
Speaker 4: the brothers you know on the corner with the forty ounces.
Speaker 5: I'm with it. I'm with it.
Speaker 3: Especially when when I got the call, I didn't pick
Speaker 3: I didn't get to pick up because I was live streaming,
Speaker 3: but I saw I had the call with you and
Speaker 3: G so I know he only hit up. He only
Speaker 3: hit me up when it's important, important business. So I
Speaker 3: appreciate you having me on for.
Speaker 4: Sure, man, you know, and you know, one of the
Speaker 4: things we'd be talking about offline, especially being daddy don't
Speaker 4: have this conversation a couple of times, is that him
Speaker 4: Pop is in this real weird space right now where
Speaker 4: it's a couple of these guys that are rappers. I
Speaker 4: don't even know they was rappers. I know them more
Speaker 4: from their online antis man than anything else. I don't
Speaker 4: hear no music. I can see antics, right, you know,
Speaker 4: whereas in my you know, in our day and time, Man,
Speaker 4: if he was a rapper, you're wreck. You didn't go
Speaker 4: out and you know beat people up. You didn't go
Speaker 4: out and instigate fights and beat and all this other stuff.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Just wreck you feel what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. We in this real weird space now, and
Speaker 4: I don't know if we do come out of it
Speaker 4: no time soon.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, I think you make a valid point. Ain't
Speaker 3: no mind you. I was born in eighty five, so
Speaker 3: I got to see what life was like before the Internet.
Speaker 3: I got to see what it was like when you
Speaker 3: were an artist and you couldn't lean on the Internet
Speaker 3: to get the worry out about what you're doing. So
Speaker 3: it's like I came into like I'm right there as
Speaker 3: a bridge between you know, some folks who might have
Speaker 3: missed the boat when it comes to the Internet, and
Speaker 3: then some folks.
Speaker 1: Only know the Internet.
Speaker 3: And because of that, I've been able to see, like,
Speaker 3: if they shut it down today, I'm gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: I know five or six things I can do next,
Speaker 3: because I feel like the most important scale that I
Speaker 3: mastered was how to talk to people, how to sell yourself,
Speaker 3: you know, shout out some merds taking me out on
Speaker 3: tour in twenty thirteen, he ain't put no money in
Speaker 3: our pockets in terms of like to start off with,
Speaker 3: it was like, you got if y'all want to make
Speaker 3: it to every date, you got to figure this out
Speaker 3: and how to sell yourself and talk to people.
Speaker 1: And so I'm talking.
Speaker 3: About a whole generation now that is used to only
Speaker 3: being on the internet and then you put them in
Speaker 3: front of somebody to sell a T shirt.
Speaker 1: That fucking lost, and so I'm not used to that.
Speaker 3: So then what they end up doing is coming to
Speaker 3: folks like me who are able to kind of like
Speaker 3: translate it in a way that says, you just got.
Speaker 1: To do more.
Speaker 3: You can't you can't rely upon just your personality, are
Speaker 3: your online presence to get this going. Like the reason
Speaker 3: I can get access to certain interviews and certain people
Speaker 3: is because I had to get my ass out there
Speaker 3: and put feet to pavement.
Speaker 4: Yes, real talk. And you know, with these kids nowadays, man,
Speaker 4: and I don't even want to call them kids necessarily.
Speaker 4: They're grown men, right, man, they're grown men. I might
Speaker 4: even gonna give them a pass to saying they little kids.
Speaker 4: A child to somebody who's nineteen years old. If you
Speaker 4: don't be twenty, you know what the hell going on?
Speaker 4: If you're eighteen, you really know what's going on right,
Speaker 4: I'm seeing these guys. Not to put out them names.
Speaker 4: I'm not here to blash nobody, because that's not what
Speaker 4: we do over here. But you see a lot of
Speaker 4: these guys, man, they've turned into content creators. I hate
Speaker 4: that word, you know, because I've been podcasting, man since
Speaker 4: I think it's twenty thirteen something like that. Man, since
Speaker 4: twenty thirteen, and we got to deal with Charlemagne maybe
Speaker 4: five years later. So I've been doing this a long time, man.
Speaker 4: And it got to the place man where I don't
Speaker 4: even post episodes on YouTube all the time because our
Speaker 4: online our audio following is so strong, and to be
Speaker 4: honest with you, I don't want to be putting the
Speaker 4: same category as some of these other people, you know,
Speaker 4: because that's the one thing. I meet people and they
Speaker 4: say they have a podcast, and I asked them, you know,
Speaker 4: with's your iTunes, you know, your your Apple podcasts one
Speaker 4: or whatever, And they say, no, it's on YouTube, And
Speaker 4: I tell them, man, all the podcasts the audio thing, man.
Speaker 4: You know, it's both because I respected I respected man,
Speaker 4: but it's like, and I don't want to use this word, man,
Speaker 4: but it's real, like almost some some of these dudes
Speaker 4: that like they learned and disabled. Man. You remember they
Speaker 4: had the LD classes. Yeah, yeah, school man. You know
Speaker 4: with some of the homies and like wild and stuff,
Speaker 4: they'll put them in there. It's like at the LD
Speaker 4: section on the internet.
Speaker 1: Now man, Well, I mean, look, I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 3: I got one of my subscribers that always reminds me
Speaker 3: every time I get frustrated when I see some of
Speaker 3: this shit, She'll be like, don't forget Curtis before you
Speaker 3: get mad. The average reading level is level three or
Speaker 3: grade three. That's the average score. And it got only
Speaker 3: worse after the pandemic. And what I'm recognizing is like
Speaker 3: there was a point in time where it didn't matter,
Speaker 3: like what's your background. You could be the most gangst
Speaker 3: of gangster when you get in that room in any
Speaker 3: English class. If you struggling with them, with them words
Speaker 3: reading through like any I don't care if they the bully,
Speaker 3: no matter what it is, they finish, they finish clown you, right.
Speaker 3: And I think being in that environment forced us to
Speaker 3: be a different different generation of teens, a different generation
Speaker 3: of eventually.
Speaker 1: Twenty year olds.
Speaker 3: You talk about a lot of a lot of the
Speaker 3: young ones are coming up, and I happened to mentor
Speaker 3: a lot of them. I'm recognizing that even their experience
Speaker 3: with music and their expectation is so low because of
Speaker 3: all the.
Speaker 1: Distractions that got in front of them.
Speaker 3: Like what other time have we had where I could
Speaker 3: have the phone open, here, the iPad open the here,
Speaker 3: I could be gaming in front of the TV, I
Speaker 3: could be having music in the background. It don't It
Speaker 3: don't sound like a fun or at least before last year,
Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like a fun activity for them to
Speaker 3: sit there and decipher lyrics or sit there and listen
Speaker 3: to musicianship.
Speaker 1: All they want is quote unquote vibes.
Speaker 3: When I understood that, and I was like, that's why
Speaker 3: that's why you and I are disconnect talking about them.
Speaker 3: That's why we're disconnected because I look for I look
Speaker 3: for my music to be like medicine at times. I
Speaker 3: look for my music to be the difference between fast
Speaker 3: food and soul food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sometimes where you just need to go grab
Speaker 1: something and.
Speaker 3: That's cool, but I need that that food to stick
Speaker 3: to the bone, Like what do we doing? And there's
Speaker 3: so much stuff that I think, like you said, you
Speaker 3: don't know whether or not they're part time artists and
Speaker 3: full time streamers, and uh, I think they trying to
Speaker 3: figure it out too, because I tell you, even I
Speaker 3: just turned forty this year, there's a part of me
Speaker 3: that's like, Okay, well, what is my voice in the space.
Speaker 3: And when I'm realizing, I'm so glad. I'm so glad
Speaker 3: that I'm so glad that y'all in the space. I'm
Speaker 3: so glad that there's there's outlets of wisdom because let
Speaker 3: the industry tell it many you know, this industry that
Speaker 3: I've always had the theory that they take all the
Speaker 3: energy they can, especially out of black men before they forties.
Speaker 3: They take you for your money, your masters, they take
Speaker 3: you for your your your.
Speaker 1: Drive, and all we got left is to hopefully be.
Speaker 3: Able to tell these stories, you know, on podcasts or
Speaker 3: whatever we're doing. But in terms of the creativity that
Speaker 3: everybody got to know about us, that's the first shit
Speaker 3: they take. And it's crazy enough, that's what colonizers do
Speaker 3: when they take over a country.
Speaker 1: The first thing they do is take dart.
Speaker 4: Yeah for real, So really, you know, speaking of Calvinisers
Speaker 4: to go on, you know, On another note, I like
Speaker 4: to travel a lot, man, especially as I get older,
Speaker 4: it's some that I appreciate, you know, to go see
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I started going to Europe, like maybe two thousand and four,
Speaker 4: two thousand and three, I started going over to England
Speaker 4: and Germany and different places just to see. I was
Speaker 4: going over there on business, but it really became an
Speaker 4: educational thing for me. So we just came back from Aruba.
Speaker 4: You and my wife was out there last week and
Speaker 4: part of this weekend, and the one thing I noticed, man,
Speaker 4: was the amount of Dutch people over there, right, And
Speaker 4: I said, wow, man, these people really conquered the whole world. Man.
Speaker 4: They went over to Africa, you know, that was what
Speaker 4: slavery kidnapped us out of there. Then they came over
Speaker 4: to my islands like a Aruba in different places and
Speaker 4: took those over. And I was looking at their parliament, man,
Speaker 4: that had all of those you know, Dutch people in
Speaker 4: And I'm not nowhere near racist. I'm just keeping the
Speaker 4: one thousand man. And I looked at the stuff we
Speaker 4: got going on here in America while everybody else in
Speaker 4: the rest of the world is kind of serious mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Like I looked at them little kids over there in
Speaker 4: the room. But man, these young kids man, maybe fifteen sixteen,
Speaker 4: they working jobs. They talked to you when they greet
Speaker 4: with their hello, sir, hello man, And I called Kicky
Speaker 4: was tracking o gine. It wasn't like that these little
Speaker 4: dudentes are here working. And I said, man, we really
Speaker 4: are behind man, because I don't taking this disrespect man,
Speaker 4: but some of these little dudies be looking older than
Speaker 4: me and be hitting me up with what's up? Oc.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, because because because that's what happened when
Speaker 3: you hold on this shit. That's what happened when you
Speaker 3: when you don't have a foundation of lean on. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm grateful, like people always make the joke that my
Speaker 3: pops look like milcaelm X, but he more so furious
Speaker 3: styles like that that Poppa was always in the picture
Speaker 3: for me and he never hid anything from me. So
Speaker 3: you know, just like you said earlier, You're like, I'm
Speaker 3: not racist. I'm not either, but I'm not gonna act
Speaker 3: like I don't got eyes. I'm not gonna act like
Speaker 3: I don't see this teacher who happens to be a
Speaker 3: white lady that is talking differently to her white her.
Speaker 1: White students that she tests to her black student.
Speaker 3: And it's like, these are things that I came up,
Speaker 3: you know, coming up in Carson, California, coming up and
Speaker 3: you know, I stayed in down there for a little bit.
Speaker 3: I stayed in you know, uh Loan Beach for a
Speaker 3: little bit. I've seen a little mix and then I
Speaker 3: went to the ie in two thousand and nine and up.
Speaker 3: But I say that to say that I've seen a mix,
Speaker 3: and I do see the same thing that you're saying,
Speaker 3: and that people are aging so quickly because they taking
Speaker 3: on habits that usually you associate with, like you know,
Speaker 3: eighty year old, eighty year old, you know, the smoke
Speaker 3: of the cigarettes. I'm seeing like twenty year old chain
Speaker 3: smoking cigarettes. And I'm like, bro, what you stressing on?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: I go back to this track thing. That's a big
Speaker 1: thing part got to figure.
Speaker 4: Out, you know. The funny part of the curtis it's
Speaker 4: like with these young cats, they're almost trying to talk
Speaker 4: to you, like when they talk about age, like it's
Speaker 4: just like it's like a horrible thing to get older.
Speaker 4: And I had asked one of the little cats one day,
Speaker 4: what you plan on dying at thirty five or something?
Speaker 4: Bro Like, like do you plan on not being here.
Speaker 4: And it's like if you're trying to use my age
Speaker 4: to like hurt me and made me feel bad, man,
Speaker 4: my age is my strength. It's about a wisdom. Man.
Speaker 4: This is you know behind these years come a lot
Speaker 4: of tears. I an't been through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: That really just made me a better husband, made me
Speaker 4: a better father, made me a better businessman, entrepreneur, and
Speaker 4: just a better all around person. Like I was talking
Speaker 4: to Dashy the other day, man, and me and them
Speaker 4: met when we was both we here was that Dashy
Speaker 4: met with Tony Lane Lane with records?
Speaker 5: Yeah about that was about what ninety six ninety seven?
Speaker 4: Yeah, ninety six ninety seven, man, And it goes back
Speaker 4: there far. Man. You know we was in there with
Speaker 4: Sugar Free and you know Quick and all those cats, man,
Speaker 4: and time just flies, man, And I'm a whole different
Speaker 4: person than I was back then. I'm like, that's like
Speaker 4: to me eons ago. Man. I look at some of
Speaker 4: the stuff I used to do back then and be like, man,
Speaker 4: you know it was our own back then, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Less And I'm still here for real, you know here,
Speaker 3: And I even look at you know, these cats when
Speaker 3: they come.
Speaker 4: To the music and I talked to them, and I
Speaker 4: tell them, it really hasn't changed too much, man, not
Speaker 4: not to me, Not not to me anyway. I think
Speaker 4: it's I think, if anything, is kind of like regrets
Speaker 4: to just a little bit.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 4: I think we was a little and I'm not one
Speaker 4: of them dudes to be trying to give them a
Speaker 4: little homies heads man and talk about their music or whatever.
Speaker 4: But they just me getting order. I don't feel a
Speaker 4: connection with some of the stuff they're doing.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know, I don't. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't hold that to you.
Speaker 3: Is because I don't think they feel a connection to
Speaker 3: what they're listening and making. I don't think they their
Speaker 3: their their goal is connection. I think their goal is
Speaker 3: some level of relatability to the vibe, some relatability to
Speaker 3: this is what I want to have in the background.
Speaker 3: To me, it's no, it's not a coincidence that in
Speaker 3: the same era that you see a lot of the youth,
Speaker 3: and I want to say all of them, because some
Speaker 3: of them do really seek out the stuff from their uncles,
Speaker 3: and then you know, I would be considered unk it
Speaker 3: come looking for me to give them you know, God
Speaker 3: and some music. But for those who are not like that,
Speaker 3: it started dawning on me. A lot of the schools
Speaker 3: failed them too. And because the schools failed them, is
Speaker 3: a trickle down effect, is there's a there's a domino
Speaker 3: effect of if the schools are not doing their job,
Speaker 3: literary literacy rates are down. I watched the video where As,
Speaker 3: a documentary about why rappers are no longer writing anymore,
Speaker 3: and halfway through that documentary, it dawned on me, I
Speaker 3: don't think some of these some of these kids can
Speaker 3: read like legitimately put these ideas together. So the best
Speaker 3: thing they have is their memory, which stiff over exercised,
Speaker 3: and they just wrap whatever comes to them. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have a connection. You gotta really sit down when you
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 1: Write like a cube.
Speaker 3: You want to write you know, like like like like
Speaker 3: like some of the the like Biggie like, you want
Speaker 3: to write like Poc. You gotta have some passion first
Speaker 3: of all behind what you do. But you also got
Speaker 3: to have care. And they're living in a time where
Speaker 3: everything is so desensitized, right like they want to have
Speaker 3: you devoid of emotion and just look for a vibe
Speaker 3: or look for a playlist. I think for the first
Speaker 3: time last year. I feel like that was one of
Speaker 3: those what they call a cannon event that shook people
Speaker 3: up out of a hypnosis and they said, well, damn,
Speaker 3: if I want to have an ounce of success that
Speaker 3: I'm seeing with a Kendrick, I gotta do something different.
Speaker 5: You know. You know what's crazy, homie is.
Speaker 7: I remember about four years ago, right, I was at
Speaker 7: the studio we woul shooting video, but we were shooting
Speaker 7: at a recording studio, and man, the studio was immaculated. Bro,
Speaker 7: I'm talking about full press, right. So I talked to
Speaker 7: the owner. I was like, man, I know, you get
Speaker 7: a lot of traffic, you get a lot of business.
Speaker 5: Is the studio beautiful? He was like, he was like, bru.
Speaker 5: The kind of clients we get these days.
Speaker 7: They be youngsters, and when they don't even come in
Speaker 7: with their own beats or producers, first thing they want
Speaker 7: to do is hop on YouTube and pick them YouTube beats. Now,
Speaker 7: I gotta download that, throw that in the doll and
Speaker 7: then they want to get high and then go in
Speaker 7: there freestyle for two or three hours trying to figure
Speaker 7: out until they got enough to make a rap song.
Speaker 5: I was like that, ain't it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: You know that would have got me laughed at the
Speaker 3: studio like I would have never been able to get
Speaker 3: back in there. And there was a point in time
Speaker 3: where you know, relationships was your ultimate value. You could
Speaker 3: have the best beats in the world, you could have
Speaker 3: the best production people. Gotta really sit there, the ones
Speaker 3: who are in charge of that room, gotta really sit
Speaker 3: there and say, do I feel like dealing with this
Speaker 3: nigga today?
Speaker 5: Real talk?
Speaker 3: I'd rather deal with somebody else that's not as talented.
Speaker 3: And that's how I kept getting invited back into the
Speaker 3: TD studios. I wasn't more talented than sound Way, I
Speaker 3: wasn't more talented than Tabs and and all these other
Speaker 3: other Willie b But one thing I was is if
Speaker 3: ILI call me and say two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: can you get those stems to me, I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: like groaning and be mad and shit, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: still get up and I'm gonna go email that because
Speaker 3: I understand the way that business is conducted, and I
Speaker 3: know the industry. I chose a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of folks, a lot of and I hate just put
Speaker 3: it on you because it's it's artist, my age.
Speaker 1: I still ain't got that shit.
Speaker 3: They treat this like it's a hobby, and wonder why
Speaker 3: they got hobby results. We gotta if you want this
Speaker 3: to be a business, you gotta really And that's what
Speaker 3: started getting me to questioning things like why do we
Speaker 3: push so hard on streaming when they don't give us
Speaker 3: our data, no emails, no phone numbers. I'm like, you
Speaker 3: can't run a business this way. No business can be
Speaker 3: run successful without data from their customers. Treat us like,
Speaker 3: you know, like like we're customers, because it really is.
Speaker 3: That's what it is. We buy studio time, not to
Speaker 3: use it, just to put it on the ground.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that model is slowly playing out. Man. What
Speaker 4: it's going back to? What's going back to? Really independence?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: And I'm talking about real independence, not just putting your
Speaker 4: record on the streaming platform. I'm talking about getting your website,
Speaker 4: ship set up, maybe going to go press you five
Speaker 4: hundred copies and you're album up and sell them for
Speaker 4: twenty five thirty dollars and building you up and following
Speaker 4: them like when you talked about I was going over
Speaker 4: to as an independent artist. When I was rapping I
Speaker 4: was going over to England and I was going over
Speaker 4: there doing shows for four or five hundred dollars. But
Speaker 4: I remember people would laugh at that, like, man, you
Speaker 4: ain't making no money. And I had to break it
Speaker 4: down to him one day. I said, so check this out.
Speaker 4: You go to a job, right and that job is
Speaker 4: paying you seven hundred dollars a week. I'm not about.
Speaker 4: I'm out here about to go do fifteen shows and
Speaker 4: here I got some of them maybe five hundred bucks,
Speaker 4: but someone maybe seven hundred. But outside of that little
Speaker 4: money I'm getting, they also paying for my flight, and
Speaker 4: i'ma also sell my T shirts and my CDs over
Speaker 4: there for one hundred dollars a piece because they appreciate
Speaker 4: it over there. So if I sell twenty thirty CDs
Speaker 4: at night, I was you know, I bought my first
Speaker 4: house off.
Speaker 3: Doing that, and I salute you for that because I'm
Speaker 3: like they only I shouldn't say only, but music is
Speaker 3: definitely one of their favorite ones to criticize at as
Speaker 3: if if I had a Mama Pop piece of restaurant
Speaker 3: on the corner and we only made fifteen hundred dollars,
Speaker 3: don't nobody say anything about that? We only made fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred dollars. No, No, it's this is your job. This is
Speaker 3: your business. Some days are better than others. This is
Speaker 3: the entrepreneurial journey that I chose. I think, what's so
Speaker 3: what's so powerful about you being out there? Is one
Speaker 3: once you go overseas, the expectation is that you can
Speaker 3: come back overseas once you sell merchandise and all of that.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this as if you're stuff you
Speaker 3: don't already know. I'm just saying, like I think for
Speaker 3: those who are watching who don't know, like getting paid
Speaker 3: five it's artists right now that were beg to get
Speaker 3: paid fifty dollars in a plane ticket to go to
Speaker 3: Germany right now because of how crazy it is and
Speaker 3: how cheap a lot of these venues and promoters have become.
Speaker 3: But can't You can't turn your nose up to something
Speaker 3: that you haven't accomplished. And I think that that's one
Speaker 3: thing I noticed specifically on social media is that there's
Speaker 3: a lot of that going around where they'll look at
Speaker 3: somebody and call them a failed rapper or a failed producer,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what have you ever succeeded at.
Speaker 4: To be somebody that's got check. Anybody that gets a
Speaker 4: check in this bitness. Anybody that got to check out
Speaker 4: of hip hop man, salute to you. Everybody got to
Speaker 4: check out of the film if that was if they
Speaker 4: are basketball player, football player. I don't care if you
Speaker 4: played in the G League. I don't care if you
Speaker 4: played in the UFL or whatever, cfil or whatever. If
Speaker 4: somebody pays you to do your craft, that means you're
Speaker 4: better than ninety nine point nine percent if everybody else
Speaker 4: in your perspective field.
Speaker 5: You know what's funny, It goes back. It goes back
Speaker 5: to what y'all was saying, though.
Speaker 7: Bro, it's about see here's the difference between our generation
Speaker 7: and the new generation. Right, It's about antics now, right,
Speaker 7: All you got to do is how to correct antics, bro,
Speaker 7: whether it's messy, whether it's trying to be super gangster,
Speaker 7: whether it's trying to be super goofy. The antics attract
Speaker 7: more traffic nowadays than actually good music, right. I could
Speaker 7: I can see somebody doing something off the wall, roll
Speaker 7: for like two or three weeks and don't even know
Speaker 7: they rap, yeah, steell me, and then when I do
Speaker 7: tune in to him to go Damn, I ain't know
Speaker 7: they rap. Let me check him out.
Speaker 5: The trash trash.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give y'all one even better. So and I
Speaker 4: ain't gonna say this dude's name because I wanted to
Speaker 4: come and blast my house up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But so my my attorney caused me one day, man
Speaker 4: shut out today. Man. He hits me up one day
Speaker 4: and says, hey, man, I want to get such and
Speaker 4: such on your show. And I'm kind of like, huh,
Speaker 4: I know who this dude is because I don't see
Speaker 4: him on Adam twenty two's. He's not our type of person, right,
Speaker 4: But it's my attorney, right, you know, shout out today again?
Speaker 4: And I say, why not? So now treat this the
Speaker 4: person I was gonna have come in and like we
Speaker 4: was doing a live taking, so I have, you know,
Speaker 4: go to Hollywood and stuff. The one guy we had
Speaker 4: coming in there that was gonna come in. We had
Speaker 4: already been kind of like he was stilling, kind of
Speaker 4: telling me like I'm coming to night, bro, but next
Speaker 4: week would really be better. So I said, you know what,
Speaker 4: forget it day telling him to be here tonight. So
Speaker 4: I tell my man, hey, just coming next week. Bro,
Speaker 4: Oh thanks, good looking out? So you know, problem solved? Right,
Speaker 4: So I go to the studio, right and I'm waiting
Speaker 4: for this dude to get here. Man, it's like five
Speaker 4: minutes past when you got a guess, I got a roll,
Speaker 4: I got a model, me and eight got a month.
Speaker 4: When you go find us out? Two sacks. If we
Speaker 4: in the studio and we waiting for you to come up,
Speaker 4: you haven't called us and you're running late. When it's
Speaker 4: past at ten minute mark, we gonna start doing the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you start the show. Okay, we're starting the show.
Speaker 4: So if you come in and you happen to make it, well,
Speaker 4: then like you got around a thirty minute marks to
Speaker 4: be allowed to sit down with us. If you coming
Speaker 4: in there thirty minute mark, we're gonna tell you to
Speaker 4: do one of these till you hold up. You gonna
Speaker 4: wait outside that look last, we're gonna finish the show,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna come out there and say what's happening?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: Too bad you can't make it? You know why, because
Speaker 4: you didn't do western courtesy of giving us a phone call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it takes two seconds to do that. It
Speaker 1: takes I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna tell you right now, We're not like these other shows.
Speaker 4: We don't pay for guests. You have. Everything we get
Speaker 4: is off the sprink of our relationships. Somebody want to
Speaker 4: come and sit down with us, we don't do. You know,
Speaker 4: if you want some money, you can win to the
Speaker 4: wrong show. We ain't gotten it for you.
Speaker 1: I'm still my mind is still blowing it. That's a thing.
Speaker 3: Like somebody approached me. Somebody came to me though, Like
Speaker 3: I understand if I reached out and you got your price, Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: that's your time, that's your travel. I still think that's
Speaker 3: wild because of how many interviews I did, especially up
Speaker 3: and down the West Coast for free, because I was like.
Speaker 1: It's in exchange. You have a platform, I have a story,
Speaker 1: and this is what it is.
Speaker 4: But I get it right.
Speaker 1: But things evolved, Okay, cool.
Speaker 3: But somebody reached out to me to be on my
Speaker 3: platform and then said I'll come down on my price.
Speaker 1: And I said, it don't matter how low you come
Speaker 1: on on your price, you're not coming on it.
Speaker 4: I had helped to me before. Now I'm gonna put
Speaker 4: this whose name? This white guy hits me up. He's
Speaker 4: on our clips channel, right, cause we got, you know,
Speaker 4: a couple of different YouTube channel. He's on our clips
Speaker 4: channel and he's like, man, y'all need to have me
Speaker 4: on the show. You need to have me on the show.
Speaker 4: So our cameraman shout out to Brian. He hits me
Speaker 4: up and like, hey man, this dude keep asking you
Speaker 4: on the show, so he gonna hit you. So he
Speaker 4: hits me up in the on Instagram or whatever and says,
Speaker 4: what's up. And so I'm kind of like, what's up?
Speaker 4: Like what's having? Yeah, what's up? Y'all need me to
Speaker 4: come let me know what y'all budget is. And I said, bro,
Speaker 4: you hear us something to come over. I ain't reach
Speaker 4: out to you asked me to come on this motherfucker?
Speaker 3: How you volunteering yourself to take me to put my
Speaker 3: money in your pockets?
Speaker 1: How does that work? That's the part I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And what am I paying you for? So let me
Speaker 4: get back to this little dude, right. So I'm sitting
Speaker 4: in the studio waiting, keep in mind, and he was
Speaker 4: sick that night. He was sick, just like you know
Speaker 4: for everybody else that to knowse everybody knows he ighties
Speaker 4: on tour this week. That's why ain't here's gonna ask
Speaker 4: me no more? Get me back here next week. So
Speaker 4: this dude coming, I'm waiting. I'm already steaming. I'm mad
Speaker 4: right the seven twenty. I'm by myself and I could
Speaker 4: pull those episodes up. I've done them before, but I
Speaker 4: don't like doing them. I don't have no I don't
Speaker 4: have no planing. You you know what this seels. You
Speaker 4: do this for a living, bro, So you know what
Speaker 4: it is when you don't have nothing to talk about,
Speaker 4: kind of like you have something said it already and
Speaker 4: I'm like. So I called David and said, man, where
Speaker 4: your boy? And he said, oh man, he pissed me off.
Speaker 4: He said he's not coming. He said that y'all should
Speaker 4: be giving him a few dollars because he hot right now.
Speaker 4: I told Dave, I said, man, first of all, you
Speaker 4: tell that little mother I call him everything. I said, man,
Speaker 4: you tell them go to eat a bag. And you
Speaker 4: know what, you know what I'm saying, cause I was
Speaker 4: mad as.
Speaker 1: Hell, and I was like, here, if you got hot,
Speaker 1: why are you reaching out the platforms? If you got hot,
Speaker 1: not math it if you got it.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing about it, like I always try
Speaker 3: to make sure that whatever I expect anybody else, I
Speaker 3: first take accountability and put them standards on me.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I make sure that that that if I'm not willing
Speaker 3: to show up the way that I'm gonna show up,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell somebody no, even if they have a
Speaker 3: large platform, like you know what, No, it's not a
Speaker 3: good time.
Speaker 1: And I won't give you my best, but for you
Speaker 1: to go reach out to somebody.
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the mindset of reaching out to
Speaker 3: somebody and telling them, okay, yeah, so here's my price.
Speaker 1: You you cold calling?
Speaker 3: If you got a following, talk to your following. We
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, you go live stream by yourself.
Speaker 3: But when you got other people and they got cameramen,
Speaker 3: they got staffed, they gotta they gotta go from their
Speaker 3: families to come talk to you, which is really just
Speaker 3: you setting up cameras so they can waffle on about themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what it deos too. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you what these guys pay for and SEO, I
Speaker 4: got a plenty of homeboys out and they got really
Speaker 4: successful platforms, and that's their model and they're doing their
Speaker 4: things shout out to y'all. Y'all know who y'all is, right,
Speaker 4: But the thing is, when you pay somebody for something,
Speaker 4: you have an expectation. Sure, that's almost like if you
Speaker 4: go on a date with a woman and she tells you,
Speaker 4: I need three hundred dollars for the evening you need
Speaker 4: to go tell to get the hell out of your car.
Speaker 4: You're gonna say, you know what, we could skip? Well,
Speaker 4: I can skip these movies in this restaurant. Now we
Speaker 4: going straight to the thumb or tell, because I was
Speaker 4: gonna spend that anyway. You feel what I'm saying right right,
Speaker 4: So it's the same thing with these guys. If somebody's
Speaker 4: gonna pay you to come on their platform, they gonna
Speaker 4: ask you all the goofy stuff for this man. They
Speaker 4: will ask you if you shot somebody before, how was
Speaker 4: it being a crip? How is it being a blood?
Speaker 4: All your business? They donna want to get and they
Speaker 4: have a right to. They have a right to delve
Speaker 4: into your thing because they are paying for that opportunity
Speaker 4: to delve into your personal memoirs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but see, I'm the type person that say I'd
Speaker 3: rather just do it for free so I can walk
Speaker 3: away when you start asking them questions. I don't want
Speaker 3: to pay for something that's gonna lock me into having
Speaker 3: to answer those questions. If if I'm a I think
Speaker 3: that's something else too.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 1: A part of that? And I hate to say it
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm I'm I'm.
Speaker 3: Obviously pro artists when I say this, as I know
Speaker 3: that y'all are too, but I'm not pro to bullshit
Speaker 3: like if y'all. If y'all are not gonna do the
Speaker 3: work to make content, you need people who got platforms
Speaker 3: to help you make content. So trying to like get
Speaker 3: around there and say I'm hot, Okay, you so hot,
Speaker 3: Hire somebody and delegate the responsibilities of doing content. Have
Speaker 3: them follow you around in the studio, have a little
Speaker 3: have a young editor who you know, I'm just just
Speaker 3: is just trying to get their resume built. Go do that,
Speaker 3: But don't sit up here and think that you're entitled
Speaker 3: to other people's time. Which is why like even with me,
Speaker 3: like I do interviews from the house, but not everybody
Speaker 3: get to come to the house. Sometimes I do the
Speaker 3: stream yard simply because it's like, but even then, if
Speaker 3: I don't trust you in my house, it's more of
Speaker 3: a convenience.
Speaker 1: I got to ask myself, why am I talking to
Speaker 1: this person?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have homies come to take over my
Speaker 4: house too. I haven't had that a lot, but the
Speaker 4: homies did. Like Glasses, Man, he will come over here, Glasses,
Speaker 4: it's my brother. He you know house, you know millions
Speaker 4: times as I am his is. At one time I
Speaker 4: had a key of Glass's house over in Lakewood because
Speaker 4: when he go out of town he's doing cash money.
Speaker 4: Peo would tell me, hey, man, you know how Glasses
Speaker 4: his glasses to call you eleven o'clock at night because
Speaker 4: I left this thing over here cause you go go
Speaker 4: to my house and I think about it. I lived
Speaker 4: thirty minutes away from them. I'm like, dog, you were
Speaker 4: think of this earlier in the day. I gotta wake
Speaker 4: up and got to explain to my wife why I'm
Speaker 4: going somewhere to go get a piece of paper to
Speaker 4: tell him what to say on there. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, that's Jedo.
Speaker 3: That's Jedo because when I when I moved from Carson
Speaker 3: to to Rancho for a few years back, when I
Speaker 3: was trying to build him, I didn't know him on
Speaker 3: the level that you knew him as a friend. I
Speaker 3: just knew him as I got my first placement because
Speaker 3: I sent them beasts when he was you know, all
Speaker 3: the Blue Division artists were there, and you know Ace
Speaker 3: Pawn was doing all of like the her stuff or
Speaker 3: the A and R stuff, and so he was like,
Speaker 3: he put out an email, Uh, Glasses kneeds beats for
Speaker 3: a project he's doing with mag ten And I sent
Speaker 3: three beats. When the church came back, I had a placement,
Speaker 3: so I was still trying to build on some kind
Speaker 3: of level.
Speaker 1: I tell you this, it was.
Speaker 3: It was times where I was like, dam an, I fine, really,
Speaker 3: I'm about to really go to the studio with Glasses.
Speaker 3: Was like twenty ten and I drove out there, and
Speaker 3: this is when I got to understand, like he's his
Speaker 3: mind works differently, like he operated on his own time.
Speaker 3: And I went out there had my laptop. She was like,
Speaker 3: I'm ready to play some beats, and they was like, oh,
Speaker 3: g left thirty minutes ago.
Speaker 4: That's his dass right there. That's him. I ain't called
Speaker 4: you with nothing, ain't called you with nothing.
Speaker 1: That's him, all right, Okay, so it's good to hear that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, what I'm saying, because you never
Speaker 3: know when you walk into it by now I know,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, like, I just think that's just
Speaker 3: the way his mind works.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't.
Speaker 3: You can't love somebody's genius without understanding that that's part
Speaker 3: of the character too.
Speaker 4: His man, your man, and I remember, you know he
Speaker 4: don't live close to here no more? Right, Yeah, So
Speaker 4: we go out there and I'm gonna give you two
Speaker 4: different times. This is when we started doing the podcast stuff.
Speaker 4: I was trying to get him to do it right right,
Speaker 4: and we had a little self he was recording at
Speaker 4: his loft downtown when he lived downtown. I go down there, man,
Speaker 4: and he hits me all that day. Man, still be bullshiting.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: His wife ain't gonna let him work the woking and
Speaker 4: their thing. I'm down there dog waiting getting the building,
Speaker 4: and I'm waiting by his door. Ten minutes go by,
Speaker 4: twenty minutes go by. I finally called him, and keep
Speaker 4: in mind, he ain't got the best signal up there, man,
Speaker 4: so the call keep dropping. So I keep running down
Speaker 4: the stairs man, just in case he called her something.
Speaker 4: And he tell me, oh, man, I'm my bad cousin.
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna do a to make it. I said, man,
Speaker 4: you couldn't call and tell me that. Man, I've been
Speaker 4: waiting out here for a minute. But that's just classes.
Speaker 4: You can't take that, man, because what do you do too?
Speaker 5: He'd call you.
Speaker 4: Man, you know, we gotta do this thing that that
Speaker 4: what you're talking about. We just got this thing in
Speaker 4: the valley, just out just paying around the city. You're
Speaker 4: like kind of around the city mouth and it's five
Speaker 4: o'clock in the afternoon and you talking about this five o'clock.
Speaker 4: Now you talking about need to be there about six.
Speaker 4: It ain't happen me.
Speaker 5: It ain't.
Speaker 3: But you know what, though I say this, especially as
Speaker 3: somebody that you know considers him, uh, one of the
Speaker 3: best mentors I had. It didn't matter. It didn't matter
Speaker 3: that the context of my music, It didn't matter that
Speaker 3: my story is very different from his. He got such
Speaker 3: a he got such a good eye for authenticity. And
Speaker 3: that's one thing he told because I asked him. I said,
Speaker 3: he came out to my album release party I had
Speaker 3: in Pomona when I had moved to la He came
Speaker 3: out there and drove out there, and I'm like, at
Speaker 3: that time, it still was like it wasn't like Big
Speaker 3: Broke Glass.
Speaker 1: I'm like, lasts, just get out to my release party, right,
Speaker 1: he didn't came out.
Speaker 3: When I did a show at the House of Blues,
Speaker 3: he came out as a special guest, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I asked him on to I said, ge, why you
Speaker 3: rock with me so much? Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like I know I ain't I don't look like most
Speaker 3: of your homies, and like I know, I might even
Speaker 3: be a square in some of these circles, he said,
Speaker 3: But you're not afraid to be you, he said, from
Speaker 3: all your flaws, you don't ever hide that. He says,
Speaker 3: you're authentic and that's all you need to know. And
Speaker 3: it's and it's words like that that that that remind
Speaker 3: me like how grateful I am that. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I had an upbringing that said, you don't got nothing
Speaker 3: to prove to nobody, right you you you you, You
Speaker 3: show up as the man that you are, and whoever's
Speaker 3: supposed to be there will remain. Whoever's not supposed to
Speaker 3: be there, they'll voluntarily leave that situation.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I always appreciated about him, even during this
Speaker 1: battle Man. We we talked that.
Speaker 3: We talked at at length about culture. We talked at
Speaker 3: length about what is this, What is this gonna mean
Speaker 3: for you, as Curtis king in this? What do you
Speaker 3: need to reconnect to?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: What ar some Carson have you disconnected from just because
Speaker 3: of just how long you've been doing this journey and
Speaker 3: how far away you are, And all those conversations sat
Speaker 3: with me, and as I watched all this stuff unfold,
Speaker 3: I started to really step into this next era of
Speaker 3: Curtis Kinge. But I owe so much of that to
Speaker 3: the conversations I had with Glasses because he didn't have
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 4: Oh, he didn't have to do it. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go and I talked about glasses flaws. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you, Glasses is one of the best human
Speaker 4: beings I've ever met. He's his shirt off his back,
Speaker 4: and the thing about him, he's genuine with it. He's
Speaker 4: not whoever lied to you, he's not whoever to cheats you.
Speaker 4: He's not where to see you. He's not gonna do
Speaker 4: none of that stuff you talked about the time he
Speaker 4: was over there at TV Man, you know, I was
Speaker 4: renting with him, for a while too, man or I
Speaker 4: didn't know, but yeah, those are my guys right there. Man,
Speaker 4: I remember that when he was just you know, when
Speaker 4: he was just Kato man, and they was really pushing
Speaker 4: Jay Rock over. The shots of them catch because they
Speaker 4: tested him into what it takes to make it in
Speaker 4: his business. When people ask me about dude, dog shout
Speaker 4: us at my homeboy, Top. I was just holding him
Speaker 4: the other night. He was relentless. Yeah you was, And
Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now, man, if he don't, you know,
Speaker 4: he gets the credit obviously because this guy's you know,
Speaker 4: dotingham stay give him his credit. But I'm now m h.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't the Top Man, it probably wouldn't be
Speaker 4: a lot. I don't know if for to be Kendrick
Speaker 4: as talents is. It's hard to make it in this business,
Speaker 4: dude without a dude like Top behind it, prosbably wouldn't
Speaker 4: be one of the greatest references of this generation because
Speaker 4: he was remmless. Though.
Speaker 3: Just think about the infrastructure he set up, right And
Speaker 3: I didn't you know when I lived in Carson, I
Speaker 3: only lived like ten minutes away from the studio that
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 1: There's two studios, right the house that was across the street.
Speaker 4: And the cross street and one of the crosstreet with
Speaker 4: the studio on the back right.
Speaker 3: I'd have been to both of those. And I'm going
Speaker 3: funny story too. And it's funny because I tall it
Speaker 3: to a few people. But the first time I went
Speaker 3: over there, I'm already familiar with Carson. I know it's
Speaker 3: borderline content. Where we at, where that article's at. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, cool, I know where I'm at. I know
Speaker 3: it can get tricky depending on what time you at,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, I'm going to a studio. Everything should
Speaker 3: be good. Absol In botted me over because we had
Speaker 3: some records that we were doing and I was supposed
Speaker 3: to be Ali in the back studio. I call at
Speaker 3: so and I'm like, yo, I'm outside. Uh you know
Speaker 3: what do I need to do? They to go to
Speaker 3: the front door. He's like, no, no, no, just open
Speaker 3: the gate and go to the studio. I said, open
Speaker 3: the gate and go to the back. I said, I said,
Speaker 3: he said you good. He said, I gonna recognize you, okay.
Speaker 3: I said, all right, cool. I opened up the gate
Speaker 3: and I could not help but feel like it.
Speaker 1: Was eyes just on me. It's eyes just on me.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It was top top said Nigga almost blew your blow
Speaker 1: your head off.
Speaker 5: He said, who is you?
Speaker 3: I said, I came here for a soul and I
Speaker 3: came here to work with him tonight. He was like,
Speaker 3: he's like, you need to you need to wait for
Speaker 3: him next time. That was my introduction.
Speaker 4: But I say that to say that's true.
Speaker 3: But I say that to say that's how protective he
Speaker 3: was over that environment and protecting everybody that was in
Speaker 3: that environment. I'll say you this. I've been there during
Speaker 3: those days. And I just talked to Ali on my
Speaker 3: platform about this where they go to that Louisiana Fried
Speaker 3: Chicken over there off Avalon, and they bring the basket
Speaker 3: of fries and they literally are going through studio sessions
Speaker 3: just Sharon fry.
Speaker 1: He like might not not hand in hand, but like
Speaker 1: they eating and going right back in the booth.
Speaker 3: I watched that happen, but I also knew that in
Speaker 3: that space, wasn't nobody concerned about nobody walking up, Nobody
Speaker 3: concerned about none of that. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of that has to do with protecting your investment and
Speaker 3: not just talking about the artists, but the environment that space.
Speaker 3: I never went in that space feeling like I was
Speaker 3: at any kind of risk because I just knew how
Speaker 3: many folks was around that was taking care of home base.
Speaker 1: That's important. Everybody don't have that dog.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you about tough dude dog Man. He
Speaker 4: was this type of dude. Man. He lets you know
Speaker 4: how he felt. And it wasn't never with no disrespect.
Speaker 4: He did the league with that right, but he was
Speaker 4: very various trait for a person. Like he told you,
Speaker 4: next time went outside, he meant that, you know, next
Speaker 4: time with outside, he ain't gonna put some foot around
Speaker 4: with you. I remember, man, one time we was in
Speaker 4: Vegas at the arm They was out there shooting the
Speaker 4: Lollipop you know Top he had anywhere with some publicity.
Speaker 4: He went thinking about it. He was gonna make sure
Speaker 4: Jay rock and then was gonna get looks in that video.
Speaker 4: You gotta keep in mind at that time, Wayne is
Speaker 4: the biggest artist in the world. Right, He's with Kendrick
Speaker 4: Ills today back then, right, and they shooting that lolly
Speaker 4: Pop video shooting man Top. You know, we gonna go
Speaker 4: out to the Vegas man, we MiB ab out there.
Speaker 4: Top stayed in that room man and made sure that
Speaker 4: Jay Rock got in that video. Like that's what I
Speaker 4: mean about being relentless. Now, he didn't press nobody or nothing,
Speaker 4: but he wasn't playing on games. You know, he was
Speaker 4: gonna make sure he was gonna beat in that video.
Speaker 4: And I think everybody knew the Top wasn't playing no games.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't really. He didn't really talk crazy to nobody
Speaker 4: or nothing.
Speaker 5: It was just presan.
Speaker 1: Look, I'll tell you this. My mama knew who he was.
Speaker 3: I said, I told her the name, and she said,
Speaker 3: but say it again because she went to Carson Hyde
Speaker 3: and and and she and she was like, oh, I've
Speaker 3: known that name for a long time, but never have
Speaker 3: I seen him except for that one situation where I
Speaker 3: was out of I was out of you know, I
Speaker 3: was out of pocket, trying to go. I was listening
Speaker 3: to apps, so you know, I knew better now, But
Speaker 3: I've never seen him have to raise his voice. I
Speaker 3: seen him in situations where he came into that room.
Speaker 1: I never forget.
Speaker 3: It was one time where I was editing a video
Speaker 3: and I think it was for something. They were asking me,
Speaker 3: ay Curtis because I knew I was good with technology.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, how to convert videos or whatnot.
Speaker 3: And so I just told him what I knew. You know,
Speaker 3: I didn't use Mac. And he was like, you're really
Speaker 3: good with this computer shit.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, didn't have many words, but you
Speaker 1: knew damn well.
Speaker 3: Everybody in that room the energy shifted when he came
Speaker 3: in there because you know, like I said, he got
Speaker 3: a very serious demeanor. But at the same time, you
Speaker 3: know that, you know, he had the foresight for what
Speaker 3: he wanted this thing to be.
Speaker 1: And look at it now.
Speaker 4: Again, A dude, man, it's rough, and I don't believe
Speaker 4: say he just mean business. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He no play he' you know, fuck guy, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, No play play dude. He gave you
Speaker 4: a shirt off his back. Dog Yeah, Genie went, dude,
Speaker 4: he gave you a shirt off his back.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: Now he that don't mean he lets you just you
Speaker 4: get over on his ass either. But he looked out
Speaker 4: for his people, you know what I'm saying. And he
Speaker 4: Genie went about that. He's a Genie went on this dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah that that that that team.
Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy because you know, Glasses got me
Speaker 3: my first paid placement. When I was over there, I
Speaker 3: wasn't looking for a paid placement. I was looking for
Speaker 3: an opportunity to be heard. I was doing stuff locally
Speaker 3: in Carson. I was trying to do like these open mics.
Speaker 3: I even did one of them. You know, I got
Speaker 3: scammed in one of those. Sell these hundred tickets and uh,
Speaker 3: you're gonna be in front of some A and rs
Speaker 3: and all of that kind of situation.
Speaker 1: I never forget. It was at the Key Club. I
Speaker 1: went to the Key Club. I went up there.
Speaker 3: I seen everybody on stage with the bands and the lights.
Speaker 3: I was like, always just gonna go up tonight, and
Speaker 3: they was like you wrap. I was like yeah, they
Speaker 3: said go downstairs. Huh, I go downstairs. It's a stage
Speaker 3: that couldn't be no bigger than this table right here,
Speaker 3: and uh there's people moving dishes from room to room.
Speaker 3: And so it's like, I know what it was before
Speaker 3: I met them, and as they ascended. You know, Luckily
Speaker 3: I have my guy Apps, so I knew Apps sold
Speaker 3: before he was with TD, when he was with a
Speaker 3: label called Street Beat, E and T. He was coming
Speaker 3: to my grandmother's patio to record songs with me because
Speaker 3: I was a producer that just had a lot of
Speaker 3: the same interests sonically as he did. And when I
Speaker 3: listened to him, he see reminded me of a young
Speaker 3: jay Z and I said, if I get a chance
Speaker 3: to work with a young jay Z sounding artist, I
Speaker 3: want to do that.
Speaker 1: And that's what I did.
Speaker 3: And so he was like when he first the first
Speaker 3: day he got signed, he said, Curtis, give me a
Speaker 3: CD full of beats and I'm gonna floated around the studio.
Speaker 1: I gave him a.
Speaker 3: CD full of beats low Ki, hoping that Jay Rock
Speaker 3: wanted one of them because he was the biggest artists
Speaker 3: at that time. He took that CD of beats. Little
Speaker 3: did I know, one of the beasts, the first beats
Speaker 3: that the Schoolboy Q rapped over was over a beat
Speaker 3: that I made on if you ever heard this story,
Speaker 3: but it was a beat that had eight awaits and gunshots.
Speaker 3: I was trying to like eighta waits and gunshots because
Speaker 3: in my mind I was trying to like rekindle the
Speaker 3: Bone Thugs and Tupac song. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make a newer version of that. It was terrible punch.
Speaker 3: It tell you to this day, he like, they still
Speaker 3: say it's terrible. But one thing school Boy said is
Speaker 3: that audition, like he was already the homeeie, already around
Speaker 3: the environment. That's when he showed off how he could rap.
Speaker 3: And uh, that's what he rapped over was my beat.
Speaker 3: And so he was on shout out to my God,
Speaker 3: Chuck Dizzle and head on home run radio. He said, man,
Speaker 3: the beat was terrible, but he's like gurt that you
Speaker 3: put me on, bro, Like, if it wasn't for you know,
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for having that there, they wouldn't have
Speaker 3: seen the skill set. I guess, you know, if you
Speaker 3: could make a bad beat sound that good, then he
Speaker 3: must be something special. So I say that to say,
Speaker 3: like them dudes, I didn't need to get paid for
Speaker 3: any placements for that to be a life changing experience,
Speaker 3: because I always knew Curtis King on Curtis Curtis King
Speaker 3: gonna take care of Curtis King.
Speaker 1: And all I needed was an opportunity and they gave that.
Speaker 1: Tell me for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, shout out to the homie punch over there, man,
Speaker 6: punks punk Punch was my man. Yeah, that's my guy
Speaker 6: right there, punc your tearans man. But I just think
Speaker 6: right now, I think where things gonna go?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: Is everything? Industry seems like it kind of filters itself
Speaker 4: out every few years, like dashy, I want to talk
Speaker 4: about a lot of people don't know. You was with
Speaker 4: Cuban them early on. You was part of Lynch mind right.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, one of the original members.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, y'a al was over there. You're always doing
Speaker 4: a lot of recording with Jinks, wasn't y'all?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, over there with Jinks Pool. Yeah, it was us.
Speaker 5: It was a squad.
Speaker 4: How how old is y'all during the time period?
Speaker 7: Well, when when when you first like got cracking cracking? Yeah,
Speaker 7: it was about was about seventeen eighteen left he left
Speaker 7: in w I think when he was around like nineteen.
Speaker 4: Okay, So y'all's loot key is pretty much y'all the
Speaker 4: same age as most of these little cats.
Speaker 3: All right, you know the points you about to make,
Speaker 3: all right to the points you about to Did you
Speaker 3: notice the difference?
Speaker 5: Broom?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's because seventeen year olds back then was
Speaker 3: grown in and the truest sense of it, like even
Speaker 3: the folks you consider knuckleheads had a decarm, they had
Speaker 3: a cold.
Speaker 1: Now with the internet, it's like, well I could ben
Speaker 1: that cold.
Speaker 5: What is cold? Really?
Speaker 3: They're questioning things, which is what kids do. Kids question
Speaker 3: the wisdom of their elders every single generation that happens.
Speaker 1: This one is different.
Speaker 3: Because now you're getting justifications even when you're dead wrong
Speaker 3: from other people and strangers.
Speaker 1: That's saying that's not so crazy to do that. No,
Speaker 1: it still is crazy, but you're talking about.
Speaker 7: Man, it was new for us, Like you know, it
Speaker 7: was so new for us. We were still in all
Speaker 7: trying to figure it out. Right, Like, we didn't have
Speaker 7: we didn't have you know, we didn't have a blueprint.
Speaker 7: We was the blueprint for West coast hip hop right,
Speaker 7: we didn't have so we didn't go.
Speaker 5: We didn't go.
Speaker 7: We didn't have a TUPAC, we didn't have a NTA,
Speaker 7: we didn't have a glasses. We didn't you know what
Speaker 7: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: We didn't have. So we had to figure that out
Speaker 5: on our own. And figuring that out we had to,
Speaker 5: like like my man just said, we had to grow up.
Speaker 7: We had to go, Okay, what are we doing, Let's
Speaker 7: make sure we do this right because the money was right,
Speaker 7: everything was looking right, everything felt good.
Speaker 5: So we wanted to keep that going. So that's what
Speaker 5: made us stay on top of our game.
Speaker 1: Look, you know what's so crazy about you saying that?
Speaker 1: And I'm just realizing that right now.
Speaker 3: One of the most genius marketing plans I've ever heard
Speaker 3: of in hip hop was for uh, I forget the song.
Speaker 3: But I was told by some some radio person now
Speaker 3: that he's that cube was sitting around. You can't do
Speaker 3: that now because of the anthrape scares. But it was
Speaker 3: a bag of it, wasn't it like a bag of
Speaker 3: like powder or something. And he had like a set
Speaker 3: and some out of it. Because it's talking about the
Speaker 3: same era where you know they were doing like the
Speaker 3: Craig Mac Big Mac situation, Like that level of ingenuity,
Speaker 3: that level of creativity where you're using the same skill
Speaker 3: set you got to make a beat, that you got
Speaker 3: to make a song, and you're putting that into your marketing.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of kids who never had to like
Speaker 3: build nothing, they never had to create nothing. I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's your cheat cod You literally make a living being creative,
Speaker 3: and then when it comes to your marketing on social media,
Speaker 3: you're the least creative.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean that's when we talk about that.
Speaker 7: When the creativity ain't there, now, the anti's gotta take
Speaker 7: that place, you feel me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the low hanging through.
Speaker 3: But the crazy thing about it is now an audience's
Speaker 3: uh is turned away from that, and you gotta do
Speaker 3: another magic trick?
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they getting tired? Brother, I totally agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And what happens is more than that, dude, the
Speaker 4: level of insanity kind of goes up. So if you
Speaker 4: got to do this last there is a guy online.
Speaker 4: He's picking the boogets out of his nose and nastally
Speaker 4: he's gonna start eating the motherfuckers right right, and people
Speaker 4: go start tripping over that next thing, you know, when
Speaker 4: they get bored with that. There's no telling him what
Speaker 4: he's gonna be doing next. He might start digging in
Speaker 4: the crack, you know, whatever, man doing that whatever.
Speaker 3: But you know that in a way, right, you know,
Speaker 3: that's a real thing that you just said right now.
Speaker 3: And I know you were making that up, but you
Speaker 3: know that's so real. It's a it's a young dude
Speaker 3: called piss Man. You heard about him.
Speaker 4: I ain't heard about it, but it don't surprise me.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give you too much details. I
Speaker 1: don't even want you to have to look it up
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's it's insane, but it's like that's.
Speaker 3: What you talk what y'are talking about, that is the
Speaker 3: levels of what we're talking about is that he's literally
Speaker 3: got a following about how nasty he is inside his house,
Speaker 3: how junky his house is, how like unlivable his house is,
Speaker 3: and he's doing live streams in his house, and people
Speaker 3: are coming to visit him to see if they can
Speaker 3: spend the night there. I'm like this, like people on
Speaker 3: this platform don't not on his platform, but he got
Speaker 3: somebody who had a million to come on his platform.
Speaker 3: And uh, I don't know if his name is actually
Speaker 3: you know his name is piss Man, but like his
Speaker 3: whole thing is like he does tricks with cartons and piss. Like,
Speaker 3: as I say it out loud, I feel crazy, but
Speaker 3: not as crazy as as it. I'm just saying, we're
Speaker 3: in the time period where even when you're joking about that,
Speaker 3: it's a kid right now, that's.
Speaker 1: Like picking my bug is eating them. That's not a
Speaker 1: bad idea.
Speaker 4: That's how bad it is, man, Because I'm anna tell you,
Speaker 4: and I told I told Jcus g was on this
Speaker 4: internet step early, yeah, when they had the girl with
Speaker 4: It's So Cold and the d and all them different
Speaker 4: people and the riffs and all the different people was
Speaker 4: on the internet. She was on the early And I
Speaker 4: told him, I said, Man, you really sitting in there
Speaker 4: there giving this old silly shit in an audience. It's
Speaker 4: somebody to wind up killing somebody on the internet one day,
Speaker 4: I say, And it happened that dude in Cleveland was
Speaker 4: just going around shooting people on the Internet. You got
Speaker 4: stuff that's so crazy. Now, man, it's like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you, somebody's gonna get wet next to a podcast
Speaker 4: on the podcast. I'm gonna tell you this time it's coming, man,
Speaker 4: because right now this generation, man, see, when you don't
Speaker 4: have no talent, you got to think a little different stuff.
Speaker 4: If me and Sax wanted to come on here and
Speaker 4: make beats and rap, we could do that. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: could all redo that right now. I could be over
Speaker 4: here putting a drum thing together because all of us
Speaker 4: got to put me right in front of us right now.
Speaker 4: I could be putting a drum fad together. We can
Speaker 4: all spit right a hot sixteen. These other cats can't
Speaker 4: do that. Man, they can't edit enohing. They don't have
Speaker 4: the patience and fortitude to think of anything. And people,
Speaker 4: you know this, One cat told me one day, he said, Man,
Speaker 4: don't nobody care. Still, your podcast is boring. I say,
Speaker 4: my podcast for you because you go listen to all
Speaker 4: the other stupida shit, I said, a my podcast is
Speaker 4: too intelligence for you.
Speaker 1: Pretty much.
Speaker 3: Well, and this is what I say, Like right now,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of those those toxic, toxic podcasts, and
Speaker 3: I have a question for y'all too. I want to
Speaker 3: ask specifically, but because I asked you this question last week,
Speaker 3: and I'm curious, but there's a lot of podcasts with
Speaker 3: like really really, all they do is just do stories
Speaker 3: about people's worst days. All they do is stories about
Speaker 3: people on their worst days, and they make an audi
Speaker 3: inside of all of that, and.
Speaker 1: There's no regret for it.
Speaker 3: They find their self doing it, and then when the
Speaker 3: tables turn on them, you know, they get very defensive
Speaker 3: because they can't handle the pressure they give to other people.
Speaker 1: But with that said, the question I got for you
Speaker 1: is this coming up. I came up in many different environments.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, my mommy we used to live in
Speaker 3: the house off of a fifty fourth in Hoper in
Speaker 3: La by Saint.
Speaker 1: Peter's Rock and my mom's used to play the keys there.
Speaker 1: I was brought up around a lot lot of street culture.
Speaker 3: I got my street smarts even though like I didn't
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I didn't graduate nowhere, but
Speaker 3: I got them for a reason to know how to
Speaker 3: handle myself in environments I got a question coming up.
Speaker 3: There were certain names that would never get brought up
Speaker 3: unless you was in the same circle. Every day I
Speaker 3: get on YouTube, it's another one of them names getting mentioned.
Speaker 3: It's street politics that used to be only internal that's
Speaker 3: now left open to a white dude from Ohio to
Speaker 3: instigate right or a podcast or to comment on. Do
Speaker 3: y'all feel like it was a mistake for because it's
Speaker 3: good to see voices get platform because you given awareness
Speaker 3: to like this is what real, this is what the
Speaker 3: real is is like, stop listening to these rappers, this
Speaker 3: is what's really going on. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: a lot of folks kind of made themselves targets because
Speaker 3: now you broadcasting in front of a lot of people
Speaker 3: politics that TheInk got nothing to do with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, Like you said, it was a
Speaker 4: time that you didn't speaking on certain stuff, like we
Speaker 4: got a homy right now. Man, it's fighting for his
Speaker 4: life right now. Often because of all the antics, you know,
Speaker 4: because of all the antics z on, you know from
Speaker 4: this whole podcast world right, people just say stuff because
Speaker 4: they ain't no accountability.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 4: Back in the day when we was in the business,
Speaker 4: you was running somebody. You had to go outside. It
Speaker 4: wasn't no it wasn't no marketing on the internet. You
Speaker 4: had to go to one of the industry parties, you
Speaker 4: had to go do shows, you had to go places.
Speaker 4: You was run into somebody. If you was out here
Speaker 4: talking slick, you was going for sure running somebody. Now
Speaker 4: it ain't that dog. It's people that talk crazy to me.
Speaker 1: I'll never see bro, that's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: They don't go outside. And I'm gonna tell you this,
Speaker 4: there's no accountability. I'm gonna tell you something. I saw
Speaker 4: a dude man sit online and say he chased me
Speaker 4: around the studio with a studio with a microphone and
Speaker 4: he threw me in the closet and tied me up
Speaker 4: on all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: He said a podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, dude, around sixty years old, and just people
Speaker 4: would say and do anything, bro, because there's no accountability
Speaker 4: to it. They're not going to see me. I can't
Speaker 4: reach through the screen and grab y'all right now. But
Speaker 4: I sit up there and type all this shit I
Speaker 4: want to. I can go in in and the food. Yeah,
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 1: That accountability, this is where I'm like.
Speaker 3: People will be surprised to hear me say this, but
Speaker 3: I'm like that accountability comes from getting punched in the face.
Speaker 3: You gotta fill that pain when you know, like, damn it,
Speaker 3: do I really want to deal with these heavy hands
Speaker 3: coming at me from this person that I think is
Speaker 3: okay to troll. And you remember having the ice down
Speaker 3: the eye, You remember having the like get over the
Speaker 3: aches and pains and all of this stuff, Like you
Speaker 3: gotta remember the embarrassment of getting your ass whatever the case. Like,
Speaker 3: there's folks who've never been touched before, and I have
Speaker 3: to remind myself there are people who will push every
Speaker 3: single button because they know that I'm a man that
Speaker 3: has integrity and has my own cold They'll push every
Speaker 3: button they can, but if I ever press the issue,
Speaker 3: they'll call the police.
Speaker 1: Like a cold doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: Many a heartbeat, brother.
Speaker 1: And that's wowed to me because I'm like, why are
Speaker 1: you woofing it? Why you why are you barking so loud?
Speaker 3: And then the moment that somebody presses you all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's is it's I'm a victim. Why are
Speaker 3: you so obsessed with me? And that's just literally the
Speaker 3: nature of the Internet that I'll be telling you. When
Speaker 3: I first came here, I was a lot more confrontational
Speaker 3: because I didn't get that some kids get on here,
Speaker 3: and not even kids, some adults get on here and
Speaker 3: think everything's a game. They can say what they want,
Speaker 3: get a few retweets, and then you move on to
Speaker 3: the next thing. And I'm like, no, that, if I
Speaker 3: see you, we gotta we have to address that. At
Speaker 3: the very least, we gotta talk to you.
Speaker 5: Know What's you know what's funny about that too?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 7: It's like you know that saying if you if you
Speaker 7: love a star, never meet them because you'll always get disappointed.
Speaker 5: Right. It's the same thing with a lot of these
Speaker 5: Internet bangers and gangsters. Man like they they they went
Speaker 5: the business all day. I give a lot of these
Speaker 5: cats that I that I deal with. They with the business.
Speaker 5: But on the other side of that, their sensitive thugs.
Speaker 5: I've seen. I've seen thugs. I've seen so called gangsters.
Speaker 7: On their shows preaching you know, I peace. I'm not
Speaker 7: trying to do no drama. I love everybody. Everybody loved me.
Speaker 7: But soon as somebody hit that trigger for them back,
Speaker 7: they ain't on.
Speaker 1: My must y'all, ain't I.
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, you're telling on yourself right now.
Speaker 7: And what are you doing?
Speaker 5: Brother?
Speaker 1: You crashing out in front of people that.
Speaker 5: Crash out?
Speaker 3: What you internet crashing out, that's a different crash out,
Speaker 3: but in crashing out in front of people.
Speaker 1: Who don't look like us real talk.
Speaker 7: And that's why a lot of the so called people
Speaker 7: caught up in these things they dealing with right now,
Speaker 7: with these week olds right now.
Speaker 1: I hate to see it.
Speaker 3: I hate to see it because, like I said, it's
Speaker 3: certain names that got brought up, and even in the
Speaker 3: rooms that got brought up, it was hush, hush. I
Speaker 3: never think of my life time I would see these
Speaker 3: names be all over the news and all that I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's all.
Speaker 1: Of a podcast and it's still mind blowing me. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you something, man. I knew it was
Speaker 4: gonna be problems as soon as Big You got a podcast. Yes, man,
Speaker 4: I just knew it. Now the man Big You was
Speaker 4: my man. It's my guy right there. But I just
Speaker 4: knew it was gonna be problems because you always have somebody.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you something, man, It's something about
Speaker 4: the allure of being the top dog in the streets
Speaker 4: that just black men lose their mind. For if you
Speaker 4: ask the average young black dude come up in the community,
Speaker 4: what would he rather have a successful career in medicine
Speaker 4: or long you know mediciners, you know, doing something else?
Speaker 4: Or would you rather be the odes of the hood?
Speaker 4: Just the king of the hood. They'll tell you the
Speaker 4: king of the hood.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 4: It's just what they see, and it's a certain It's
Speaker 4: almost like when I was a little kid growing up
Speaker 4: on the East side, right, if I saw a cat
Speaker 4: in the corner with a cadillact man or a deuce
Speaker 4: in the quarter man had a not full of money
Speaker 4: in his pocket and a bad broad man. In my
Speaker 4: young mind, I'm thinking he lived life. I don't know
Speaker 4: what kind of penitentiary chance sound because I don't see
Speaker 4: all that. I don't see the other side of it, right,
Speaker 4: I just see him right there, relation in the truth
Speaker 4: of his labor. Right, and I'm like, damn, man, that
Speaker 4: sounded like fly. I'm gonna tell you something. Man, you
Speaker 4: want to come to California from the East Coats, right,
Speaker 4: Not these coats, but the midwestern Cleveland. Right. I heard
Speaker 4: Ice Tea's album with him Darlene on the cover, you
Speaker 4: know you were in him with the strap, and I said, man,
Speaker 4: I want a suit like that. Man, I want a
Speaker 4: little ouzy chain like that. I want a bad bitch
Speaker 4: by my side. Man. I didn't know what Darlene or
Speaker 4: Tease was, but I was like, I want that.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: When I tell you, the tonge steaks life and death.
Speaker 4: When I tell you sometime later, I had me a
Speaker 4: bad bro a bad woman like that's my wife now, right.
Speaker 4: I got my cash ups started, you know, wearing little suits.
Speaker 4: I had a suit like Ice Tea and I just
Speaker 4: got I just found one maybe five years ago. Sex
Speaker 4: When I rest, he was like, now what you're getting there.
Speaker 5: Old.
Speaker 4: I say, hey, man, this personal to me right here.
Speaker 1: I always want one of those.
Speaker 4: Right, But you can speak whatever your existence is to
Speaker 4: exist into reality. Right. I see cats put curses on
Speaker 4: themself every day online. Like you said, talk about the
Speaker 4: homies is crash. Now I'm gonna do this. They just
Speaker 4: drawing all that bad energy to them. Somebody greeting me
Speaker 4: with bad energy. Dog, I don't have nothing to say
Speaker 4: to them. You can say whatever else you want to
Speaker 4: about me.
Speaker 1: Yes, real talk, And I'm telling I try to tell them.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you this, dog, I don't been
Speaker 4: in the streets out here with the best stuff.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: I could do all that and more, but I choose
Speaker 4: not to because it ain't I don't have to prove myself.
Speaker 5: I don't have to.
Speaker 4: I don't have to perform stupid place my masculinity. You
Speaker 4: feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have to crash. I don't do stuff to
Speaker 4: prove stuff to myself because I don't have nothing proved
Speaker 4: to myself. I don't care about all that, dog want
Speaker 4: look out here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I was gonna say is that the thing
Speaker 3: that makes is so dangerous and I think even probably
Speaker 3: more Lauren, is that here you got a bunch of
Speaker 3: faceless cheerleaders that are giving you rewards for acting that
Speaker 3: complete ass, like for acting way out of character you getting.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh man, he going crazy right now.
Speaker 3: Oh we gonna not not only are we gonna cheer
Speaker 3: it on, we're gonna clip this podcast and we're gonna
Speaker 3: send it to the other one.
Speaker 1: I had somebody that's it.
Speaker 3: I don't don't my crash outs online to be a
Speaker 3: lot different because I don't be emotionally involved in this situation.
Speaker 3: But people say some crazy shit about me, and every
Speaker 3: once in a while I gotta remind them, like dog,
Speaker 3: don't don't like, don't let the thumbnails fuck you up,
Speaker 3: like I'm not like I'm I'm I have.
Speaker 1: It took me a long time to become this kind.
Speaker 3: I've had my situations, and I realize there are people
Speaker 3: who sit online chronically online that will take what you
Speaker 3: said out of context, run to the next person and say, yo,
Speaker 3: I think he might be talking about you.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, this person is trying to make
Speaker 3: themselves the center of my world, the center of my
Speaker 3: attention because of what this acd this little person said,
Speaker 3: and they get to disappear. So I think the cheerleader,
Speaker 3: I think that the instigating where it's not even sometimes
Speaker 3: just the people. You gotta take accountability for your emotions.
Speaker 3: But we know the internet was made to trigger emotions
Speaker 3: that keep us on the internet longer. That's the less
Speaker 3: the DNA of Instagram, the DNA of Facebook.
Speaker 1: YouTube.
Speaker 3: That's why I don't care what you into. I'm into
Speaker 3: My Lakers is my favorite thing, right. They know how
Speaker 3: to keep me on YouTube, past past, when I want to,
Speaker 3: when I want to stay away, they just keep feeding
Speaker 3: me up shit. So what that said, I think the
Speaker 3: same thing is happening. And I think a lot of
Speaker 3: these brothers don't realize how much of a mental warfare
Speaker 3: it has been put upon them, and how their algorithm
Speaker 3: is literally designed for their destruction. But then some of
Speaker 3: the and that also was them watching destruction and the
Speaker 3: algorithm saying, okay, you want more of that.
Speaker 5: I got you.
Speaker 4: You see what it is now? Man, People really getting
Speaker 4: themselves in a lot of trouble on this computer talking man.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing. When you have through confidence in yourself, man,
Speaker 4: and you have good self esteem, you don't concern yourself
Speaker 4: with the activities of just these peons. It's like, Man,
Speaker 4: my grandfather used to have a saying, man lines, don't
Speaker 4: associate with hyenas.
Speaker 1: I definitely heard that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you feel what I'm saying. So it's like, man,
Speaker 4: I never felt the need to go back to somebody
Speaker 4: and prove myself all Man, he said this about me
Speaker 4: and my bother man. First of all, I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to go see it for nobody's jail, because see, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you I'm one of them guys that's probably
Speaker 4: willing to take stuff a little bit further than what
Speaker 4: you think is though. Go gos. I don't bother nobody.
Speaker 4: So if you can feed my peace of mind and
Speaker 4: I feel my family is in dangerous something like that,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take stuff to another fiction level that you
Speaker 4: might not want to. I know that about myself, so
Speaker 4: I don't even engage because it's not worth it.
Speaker 3: You know my new favorite saying, because somebody tried me
Speaker 3: like that recently and he found out. He found out
Speaker 3: how much I know how to use the internet too,
Speaker 3: because he got a bigger platform than me, and he
Speaker 3: tried it, and he he didn't realize how many enemies
Speaker 3: he had made throughout, throughout, throughout, throughout the years. I'm
Speaker 3: not a've gonna bring him up, but I say, leave quiet,
Speaker 3: loud people alone. I'm loud on my platform. It's my platform.
Speaker 3: I talk about a lot of things going on in
Speaker 3: hip hop because I'm passionate about it and because I've
Speaker 3: done it. I'm I'm an independent artist. I call myself
Speaker 3: a di I wire right, I do it yourself. I
Speaker 3: don't go bothering nobody else's platform. But if you bring
Speaker 3: that to me and you think that I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: be docile and look the other way and not say
Speaker 3: nothing about it, First of all, you we gotta be
Speaker 3: equally yoke for me to even say something. But there's
Speaker 3: some people who will who will try you because they
Speaker 3: are under the assumption that you are a easy target.
Speaker 3: And that's when I got to really think about this
Speaker 3: in a holistic way and say, first of all, this
Speaker 3: is worth the energy?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it derailing what I've already been building.
Speaker 3: Or is there an opportunity here to make sure that
Speaker 3: this person serves as an example of why you.
Speaker 1: Don't fuck with certain people just leave them alone?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know what, man, this is what I said about that.
Speaker 4: I don't think that we should ever go looking for
Speaker 4: somebody man, Like that's my thing. I don't look now.
Speaker 4: I do have a list of people on his hand
Speaker 4: that I say, you know what, if I see this dude,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna knock his ass out. But I don't want
Speaker 4: to trust him. I'm not going to go look for
Speaker 4: him either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sometimes got to make sure you never cross
Speaker 3: paths with this person because they know how serious it
Speaker 3: is you on.
Speaker 4: This list right here. That means you really disrespected me though,
Speaker 4: And when I see you, I'm gonna make you stand
Speaker 4: on everything you ever said, and it's gonna get ugly, right.
Speaker 4: But I'm not wanting to look for that person. I
Speaker 4: don't think.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: Again, lines don't concern themselves with the activities of hyena, man,
Speaker 4: because we don't have time for that.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: It's like a lot of these dudes. Man, it's just
Speaker 4: a lot of these people. Man, something wrong with some
Speaker 4: of these people. First of all, some of these problems.
Speaker 3: Man, how often you ask yourself is this person rap
Speaker 3: too How many times do you tell yourself, like, I
Speaker 3: don't think this person is rap too tight?
Speaker 1: And I'm not even people tell us.
Speaker 4: Something that's wrong with them, man, because they don't act
Speaker 4: like that. I'm gonna tell you something. This is the
Speaker 4: truth right right. I love black people. I love my people, man,
Speaker 4: And this is big fact.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 4: Do you see any other race of people doing the
Speaker 4: stuff that are forty and fifty year old men be
Speaker 4: doing wine? Think about it. Brow. Now you have some
Speaker 4: people who you know, like you've got the dude, some
Speaker 4: jackass to get all the little silly, little stunts and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. I'm not talking about that they getting
Speaker 4: paid and making a lot of money doing what they do, right,
Speaker 4: But the just the stuff out here, man, just the
Speaker 4: stuff that used to be quiet. You know, from the
Speaker 4: era I'm from. If you was a gang banger man,
Speaker 4: you didn't believe want nobody to know you banged, if
Speaker 4: you sold dope, you didn't want nobody know you sold dope,
Speaker 4: If you was really into that life, you just kind
Speaker 4: of was just low key. Yeah, you just kind of
Speaker 4: stayed to yourself because you knew what it could be.
Speaker 4: Right these dudes today, man, again, everybody is trying to
Speaker 4: become the ghetto god. Everybody wants to be the ghetto guy.
Speaker 4: And if you notice the ghetto god. Man, they die
Speaker 4: all over the world. They get proven not to be
Speaker 4: gods because they get knocked down all the time and
Speaker 4: be surprised when it happened. Like, man, you saw they
Speaker 4: knocked such and such down. Man, that's the such a
Speaker 4: such as just a man at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But you know what I am encouraged by
Speaker 3: because I hear what you're saying, and I think that
Speaker 3: that is a very real issue.
Speaker 1: That is a lot of that stuff too. What they
Speaker 1: call that.
Speaker 3: The I forget the law. It's like one of them
Speaker 3: laws of human nature or like that stuff. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's dar wisdom, but like it finds its
Speaker 3: way to work in itself out as we evolve as people.
Speaker 3: I do think I'm encouraged by the same Internet that
Speaker 3: we can use, as you were saying earlier, to do
Speaker 3: all of this goofy shit and have it be amplified
Speaker 3: all over the world. It's the same Internet that allows
Speaker 3: me to have a conversation with somebody who never came
Speaker 3: up like I came up, and give me a different
Speaker 3: way to think about life, give me a different way
Speaker 3: to address issues on a daily basis. That's why I
Speaker 3: look at my responsibility sometimes in the space, Like when
Speaker 3: I was first just doing producer content on YouTube, I
Speaker 3: made an emphasis to be not just a god that
Speaker 3: did tutorials, but the guy that talked about mental health,
Speaker 3: the one that wasn't afraid to talk about the history
Speaker 3: of my people. And I'm gonna find a way to
Speaker 3: bring it into what I'm doing. And I got a
Speaker 3: lot of hell because it wasn't a lot of black
Speaker 3: concent creators, even though this is a traditionally black art form.
Speaker 1: They were giving me health. I got called things and
Speaker 1: mind you, I didn't been.
Speaker 3: I went to Paramount High where first time I ever
Speaker 3: heard somebody call call me uh the N word with
Speaker 3: the e R was at Paramount High. And it was
Speaker 3: during the it was it was during the midst of
Speaker 3: a race war, and it was like Black folks was
Speaker 3: out numbered probably about ninety five percent to about three.
Speaker 1: Huh you no glasses hit now Glasses.
Speaker 3: Glasses been a little bit older than me, but I
Speaker 3: was going there probably two thousand probably to uh had
Speaker 3: to be like two thousand, two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you definitely Glasses was going already.
Speaker 3: Yes, I say all that to say I had that happen.
Speaker 3: I had a dude tell me one time. He was like, man,
Speaker 3: give me the answer to the to the test. And
Speaker 3: I was saying, give me you ship. He said, all right, well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just tell all the Latino as you said,
Speaker 3: f Mexicans.
Speaker 5: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Now you got me fighting thirty forty people. It's see
Speaker 1: the answer is see ship. Let me alone.
Speaker 3: I say all that to say that the n that
Speaker 3: has by far and I've I've been called some crazy
Speaker 3: things to my face and I didn't fought form and
Speaker 3: all of that.
Speaker 1: I've been called more crazy thing. The first somebody's been
Speaker 1: called a porch monkey. And I know, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Look sometimes people think I'm Puerto Rican or whatever, but
Speaker 3: like I'm I'm black. I'm black, and what my my
Speaker 3: name is? D apostrophe w A nd wan. But I
Speaker 3: didn't have people call me all kinds of things. But
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I only heard.
Speaker 1: This in the books.
Speaker 3: You don't know the Catcher and the Ride, all these
Speaker 3: kind of shit. I only see this in the movies
Speaker 3: and the slave movies. All that came out of the
Speaker 3: Internet and this is a different type of YouTube.
Speaker 1: I say all.
Speaker 3: I have to say that there's so much of that
Speaker 3: that goes unaccounted for. And I came into this with
Speaker 3: very I thought I had thicker skin to what I had,
Speaker 3: and I had to learn it quickly.
Speaker 1: Because I can't. You can't fight everybody.
Speaker 4: Broke and you can't care man, because you That's the
Speaker 4: thing you gotta remember. Man, Half these people, Man, if
Speaker 4: they saw you in a Walmart somewhere, don't you do,
Speaker 4: They're not gonna say nothing to you. They thrive on animenity. Man.
Speaker 4: So it's like, man, it's like it's like arguing with
Speaker 4: a motherfucker on Instagram who ain't got no profile pictures.
Speaker 1: I don't do it no more. Now you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's like you have and know me.
Speaker 4: I ain't even paying no attention to you.
Speaker 1: And that be the loudest too. I'm like, how you got?
Speaker 3: How are you the loudest about somebody's appearance? And you
Speaker 3: won't even you too scared to upload a photo of yourself.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Because they thrive on animenity, man,
Speaker 4: I mean you you got cats?
Speaker 5: Hold me that make a page? Just to go through
Speaker 5: hate mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But see what they don't understand is I came up
Speaker 3: in l A U. S. D. And if you didn't
Speaker 3: know how to clown somebody, you're gonna have a hard
Speaker 3: time in them years. And it's been a situation where
Speaker 3: I'm like, I better get some jokes. I better find
Speaker 3: some jokes because if not, I'm finna be lit up
Speaker 3: every single day until somebody saying, no, leave them alone,
Speaker 3: leave them alone.
Speaker 4: You know, you know what I wanted to ask, ask you,
Speaker 4: sex man, But see this crazy brn. I'm the little
Speaker 4: sex then in the twenty years, and no, I never
Speaker 4: asked no this ship when I'm around them.
Speaker 5: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when Q found yo Yo? Whe did
Speaker 4: he always know her?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 5: He met her through jinks because Yoyo when we all
Speaker 5: went to school together.
Speaker 4: Really, was she wrapping back you when you went to
Speaker 4: school with her?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah she was. She was in this school called
Speaker 5: Depth City.
Speaker 4: Girls, Deaf City Girls. Yeah, so she wrote all her own.
Speaker 5: Shit back in the day she did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yoya art Man, Yoya was always one of my
Speaker 4: favorite female mcs. You know, the West Coast. I don't
Speaker 4: know why the West Coast don't have no real female MC's. Like,
Speaker 4: you know, people could say rage, but she went in
Speaker 4: really a West coast. She was from VA, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of transplants though. I think that's what makes it
Speaker 3: so unique, is that one thing is undeniable. I don't
Speaker 3: care where you're from when you touch down here. The
Speaker 3: same thing happened at Dilla too, when Dyla mat Mad
Speaker 3: live out here. Hm, them drums start slumping a little
Speaker 3: bit more. They started swinging a little bit more all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, he using basslines you never really heard
Speaker 3: in his beats.
Speaker 1: When you come over here and you.
Speaker 3: Touch down, it's something about this cooking, It's something about
Speaker 3: this environment. It's something about the speed of life that
Speaker 3: leaves an imprint on you no matter where you're from.
Speaker 3: But I agree with you, was that, Yeah, in terms
Speaker 3: of homegrown talent, you know it. Yeah, it's a list,
Speaker 3: it's a list for sure. But yeah, that's that's one
Speaker 3: of those where it's like I don't even look at
Speaker 3: them as not being from here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy, man. You know what, one day we
Speaker 4: would have to have Jinks come up here. Man. I
Speaker 4: talked to Jinks actually on Instagram and me and was
Speaker 4: going back and forth. We need to make that happen. Man,
Speaker 4: Jinks is probably one of the most underrated dudes out
Speaker 4: of here.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we know, we know better.
Speaker 5: We know.
Speaker 4: Jeans don't do everybody. He did in some exhibits biggest records. Huh, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Jeanstone did some big ass hip hop records.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: That's the thing about it, man.
Speaker 5: You know, huh that coolie rap album Bujie Wrap.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, man, you know when you think about like
Speaker 4: she probably just thinking about the changster rap side, but
Speaker 4: he made some pivotal hip hop records. Man.
Speaker 7: Yeah, who was twelve hundred Yep, that was a ship
Speaker 7: for a minute a long time. That actually twelve Yeah,
Speaker 7: you can.
Speaker 4: Just tell the way that just bit rate swinging that
Speaker 4: motherfucker dog. Just the way the drum sounded that motherfuger
Speaker 4: you just sampled something that motherfug It sounds way different
Speaker 4: than like in the NPC or something like that.
Speaker 5: Shit, because that was that eight and twelve bit.
Speaker 4: He just gave it a certain ring to a dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's how e skill over here with the cheek holes
Speaker 3: right now. Ea, Ski is utilizing a lot of them
Speaker 3: sounds where it's like, why it sounds so much warmer
Speaker 3: than the sounds that's coming out of f L in
Speaker 3: the FL studio.
Speaker 1: It's like, because it's not coming out of FL studio.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he ski got a gang out board gear man,
Speaker 7: all that analog out board gear that should be slumping
Speaker 7: the converter and all that.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I didn't come up as a hardware hit. I had
Speaker 3: to like learn from those who had hardware. I came
Speaker 3: in at the tail end. Right, my mom's had a
Speaker 3: a rolling Phantom and that was the first time I
Speaker 3: had eating any kind of life physical equipment because I
Speaker 3: just couldn't afford it. Right, I was on a Quiznos.
Speaker 3: I was working at Quiznos. I had a Quizno's budget
Speaker 3: living in Carson, and I never forget that keyboard came
Speaker 3: with the floppy disc, and I just never got the
Speaker 3: floppy disc. So anytime I made a beat, I made
Speaker 3: the beat and I just had to like take it
Speaker 3: and put the sounds right into my computer. But before that,
Speaker 3: I was making beats on the PlayStation uh in TV
Speaker 3: music generator WO.
Speaker 5: I heard that.
Speaker 4: That's when Son Weeds started making beats, said too, Yeah.
Speaker 3: A lot of metro booming, a lot of the artists,
Speaker 3: a lot of producers, because it was like we came
Speaker 3: up where producers before my generation came up to where
Speaker 3: it's like, you're not even a serious producer if you
Speaker 3: don't got no hardware. A lot of us came up
Speaker 3: where it was like, this is when the hardwares were
Speaker 3: self aware of themselves, the companies, and they were like,
Speaker 3: we can start taxing now, especially when you got scratch
Speaker 3: magazines and I'm seeing all the ads and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I want it, but my mom's.
Speaker 1: Ain't fin the shelf. She ain't got the money the
Speaker 1: shelf even working graveyard.
Speaker 4: Then it was gonna be if you want the m
Speaker 4: c PC back then, dog, I remember, it was gonna
Speaker 4: be twenty five hundred dollars every bit, every bit five
Speaker 4: hundred dollars. And that was if they had on sale.
Speaker 4: Other than that, it was gonna be anywhere between three
Speaker 4: thoy thirty twenty dollars. Man. And that was back then,
Speaker 4: and I'm Jenny Man. The first drum machine I ever
Speaker 4: got was because remember they had the little rent on programs, dads.
Speaker 4: I remember you put me the rent turntables. I rented
Speaker 4: a sp twelve hundred. Man, I think that things still
Speaker 4: on my credit man, because I man I made drop off.
Speaker 4: I had that, man, and I had that, and I
Speaker 4: got a pre keyboard in the fore track.
Speaker 3: Yeah see, I had a home in of mine that worked.
Speaker 3: He worked to Lax and he started getting crazy checks
Speaker 3: working at Lax and he was my collaborator. Shout out
Speaker 3: to my guy John. When I was living in Carson,
Speaker 3: he would he want. He was like, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get your MPC.
Speaker 4: I was like, for real.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I sat there with it and I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know nobody that used this, and I was trying
Speaker 3: to teach myself and I kind of figured out a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I kind of want
Speaker 1: to see what's up with this fl studio.
Speaker 3: I sold it and ended up getting to m Audio
Speaker 3: b X e eighties or EBX eight eight, b X
Speaker 3: eight was eighty whatever was the ones that was the
Speaker 3: tall monitors that had so much base. My neighbor would
Speaker 3: text me and say, Yo, that beat you working on
Speaker 3: is hard. I said, you can hear it. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm upstairs. But that's what I ended up investing into
Speaker 3: because I was like, what am I good at? I
Speaker 3: wasn't a musician by trade. I never really had learned
Speaker 3: finger drumm, and I was like, what am I good at?
Speaker 3: I'm good with computers, and for me, FL Studio was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I was on the rolling Fantom. I kind of got
Speaker 3: a little idea how to work the keys from here.
Speaker 3: I did the PlayStation. I kind of know how to
Speaker 3: how to arrange in program. I took all those skills
Speaker 3: that FL eventually our footy Loops whatever was called at
Speaker 3: that time, and it was just a match made it
Speaker 3: because it was like it was almost like going back
Speaker 3: to the video game.
Speaker 7: Not not not to cut you off, Brope, but if
Speaker 7: you can man walk walk us through the process of
Speaker 7: your beat making, like from from start to finish.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So it's crazy because I'm trying to see if I
Speaker 3: got it on me right now, but I usually have
Speaker 3: around me. I got a book called The Prosperous Hip
Speaker 3: Hop Producer, and every single chapter of it is what
Speaker 3: that process is.
Speaker 1: It's just just the titles like the kicks and snares.
Speaker 1: For me, now.
Speaker 3: I've done every single process I can think of, from
Speaker 3: you know, starting with the drum, starting with the method.
Speaker 3: He's starting with all of these different things now because
Speaker 3: of websites like Splice, because of you know, things that
Speaker 3: allowed me to tap into musicians that will usually be
Speaker 3: musicians higher. My process now is I'm a sample based
Speaker 3: producer first, and I've been that. That's what got me
Speaker 3: all of my first placements. I can do a little
Speaker 3: bit of keywork, I'll play my bass and all of
Speaker 3: that stuff, but for the most part, I just love
Speaker 3: sampling and chopping up samples so I get a sample.
Speaker 1: Nowadays, we got royalty free.
Speaker 3: Samples that sound almost as good as the stuff you
Speaker 3: used to get off of vinyl, and so now I'm
Speaker 3: using these and I'm just chopping them up. It's like that,
Speaker 3: not having to worry about sample clearance. I throw some
Speaker 3: drums on it, and I kind of had this thing
Speaker 3: where I need to mix as I go, because what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to achieve is what I call an emotional
Speaker 3: mix before a technical mix.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: I had somebody tell me one time, and they said,
Speaker 3: never confuse your responsibilities as the scientists and as the artists.
Speaker 5: He said.
Speaker 3: The problem is sometimes people think that they're being the
Speaker 3: artist and they're actually being a overly technical scientist and
Speaker 3: they're trying to tweak the compression settings and get attacking it.
Speaker 3: So for me, I'm just going on to fly. Everything
Speaker 3: is pure emotion, me just throwing pain at the wall.
Speaker 3: After that, after I'm done being a kid, I'll be
Speaker 3: an adult and I start mixing and organizing these ideas.
Speaker 3: But from B to B, it really just depends on
Speaker 3: who I'm working with. And now because I'm making beats
Speaker 3: live on on on stream, like you know, even that's
Speaker 3: changed my process a little bit because I know I
Speaker 3: could have five hundred, six hundred people who squit in
Speaker 3: AI is trying to figure out what I'm doing. It's
Speaker 3: just it's it's a beautiful period now to to to
Speaker 3: be making music because there's so many things you got
Speaker 3: access to that's in software instead of you know, the
Speaker 3: the heavy hardware sometimes so so you're an fl cap
Speaker 3: FL studio all the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, see man, I'm just not getting to where I
Speaker 4: got MPC. I told you I want to MPC live Jazzy,
Speaker 4: and I'm just getting to where I do the computer
Speaker 4: based programming. I was always a hardware guy, and I
Speaker 4: even know me even though I still got the like
Speaker 4: the MPK two twenty five got the pass I got
Speaker 4: to steal my trunk.
Speaker 5: Like that, you know.
Speaker 3: But you know what, these kids now, that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like it ain't all bad with the kids because these
Speaker 3: kids now want a physical experience because all they've known
Speaker 3: is phone, iPad. Now they want something that feels real.
Speaker 3: And I'm watching these kids now, who they're not good.
Speaker 1: A lot of them they're not.
Speaker 3: You know, they're not the best finger drummers, but at
Speaker 3: least they're they're they're challenging themselves to go actually learn
Speaker 3: an instrument, because I don't get a twisted finger drumm.
Speaker 1: And it's learning an instrument, right.
Speaker 3: The pockets, the rhythms, the way that you space your fingers,
Speaker 3: these are all techniques you learn when you learn the keys.
Speaker 3: So same thing with that. I just look at these
Speaker 3: kids now where I'm like, Dug, y'all got a school
Speaker 3: program that'll teach you how to use the NPC. I wish, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we were still writing up whether or not rapp was
Speaker 3: real music to them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they man. But you know what, though, the thing
Speaker 4: is technology you have made it to where it's a
Speaker 4: lot easier to do a lot of stuff, man, And
Speaker 4: that's why I had to kind of get old and
Speaker 4: get you know cause sometimes when you stuck in your ways,
Speaker 4: you're like, man, ain't you know really making those beats
Speaker 4: and you know whatever like that you sign you get
Speaker 4: it done? Is it's all the same end result, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, man, But I appreciate you coming
Speaker 4: to sit down.
Speaker 1: With It's like, man, anytime an the invitation for real
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: And this is one of those intellects for discussions man
Speaker 4: about like halving every once in a while, man, just
Speaker 4: kind of talk about some real stuff, stay kind of
Speaker 4: rooted in reality.
Speaker 5: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing that I think that the internet
Speaker 3: does present the opportunity to be connected because I think
Speaker 3: that all all those platforms that that y'all takeysue with,
Speaker 3: I'll take issue with because I look at it and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know we can have so much more.
Speaker 3: And I know that one day, two hundred years from now,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be somebody who's studying our time and they're
Speaker 3: gonna be trying to figure out like damn the you know,
Speaker 3: these these folks were so talented, but they less society
Speaker 3: stop them from making music at forty because of how
Speaker 3: it looked. So you're trying to tell me God gave
Speaker 3: you a gift to wrap, to write. And when you
Speaker 3: get the most wise in your life in terms of
Speaker 3: how you use your words, the most patient, that's when
Speaker 3: you stop talking to people. Right, That's what I'm looking
Speaker 3: at it. I'm forty, and I'm like, I'm re energized
Speaker 3: knowing that you know, I still got my mornings, you know,
Speaker 3: my my psiatic nerve, my back is kicking my ass.
Speaker 3: But I'm excited that I get to tell stories that
Speaker 3: the twenty year old me would love to hear about.
Speaker 3: He want to know what's up the road, and I
Speaker 3: know if I talk to him, I'm gonna talk to
Speaker 3: some I'm gonna talk to Hawaiian. I'm gonna talk to
Speaker 3: somebody who's like, damn, I never had nobody really say
Speaker 3: it like this. For those who are doing all that
Speaker 3: what you said earlier about shaming about age, you better
Speaker 3: pray with all the things around you, all the stuff
Speaker 3: in your ceilings, all the stuff and your food that
Speaker 3: you able to make it here all in one piece.
Speaker 3: I don't take that for granted, because I've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of people that are supposed to be here ain't
Speaker 3: here today.
Speaker 1: So I salute you. I salute you both, and thank
Speaker 1: you uh for allowing me to you know, sharing, your
Speaker 1: sharing your platform. I appreciate that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, Curtis King TV, Curtis King TV,
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Speaker 3: always say hashtag r are. My mom's name is Rochelle.
Speaker 3: I made a goal this shire to retire my mama.
Speaker 3: So I've been putting up content every single day, going
Speaker 3: live almost every single day.
Speaker 1: And uh, just running up interviews.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow I got an interview with Daylight. I know Daylight
Speaker 3: since I used to work at Quiznos back back way
Speaker 3: before he became the the tattoo face Daylight. I remember
Speaker 3: working with him at Quiznos. Uh during the night shift.
Speaker 3: Uh in Homie Thursday's coming up on Friday. So it's
Speaker 3: just it's it's it's a good I don't know when
Speaker 3: it's Aaron, but I'm just saying it's a good time
Speaker 3: right now, because with this window, with this light that's
Speaker 3: being shine right now, because of what Kendrick did on
Speaker 3: the West Coast, I'm not fitna be one of them
Speaker 3: people that's gonna be sitting around and not doing nothing
Speaker 3: about it. I want to make sure that while all
Speaker 3: this attention is coming from the rest of the world
Speaker 3: wanting to know about our history, I'm gonna do everything
Speaker 3: I can to bring them, bring those voices in quiet
Speaker 3: mind so that they can tell their stories.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate y'all for sure.
Speaker 4: For sure, y'all make sure y'all get home me such
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Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: That concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.
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