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Speaker 1: He's been described as an arcane horticulturist for her lifelong

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Hey, what is who do

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Speaker 1: we know? What voodoo is? What is? Who do? Who do?

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Speaker 1: I'm a witch. Mickey thinks is the cutest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: So Mom tells her best friend, Melanie, who is the

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Speaker 1: You could have knocked my mother over with a feather.

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Speaker 1: She did not. She didn't think this would ever happen

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Speaker 1: bit of both. So, once Melanie knew, Mom decided that

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Speaker 1: Melanie's house. You had a local store like that? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we started going to open circles at the shop

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Speaker 1: around the corner from Melanie's house in Baltimore Bullbooking Candle

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Speaker 1: named after the old Kimney back movie Adorable. Um so

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Speaker 1: there were there was an operating coven out of the shop,

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Speaker 1: Melanie for a year until I turned eighteen, because until

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Speaker 1: you're eighteen, no, we'll talk to you. You have to

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Speaker 1: have a parent, a guardian, somebody there to hold your hands.

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Speaker 1: try and explain, you know, I'm a nice person. You know,

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Speaker 1: No matter what I try and do, I'm always going

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Speaker 1: to be there's always going to be that that suspect

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Speaker 1: you're always labeled. Exactly, there's there's never going to be

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