Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,
Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, So this is
Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know, the Murder Family edition. Yeah, Halloween
Speaker 1: right around the corner. I've always liked to think of you,
Speaker 1: me and Jerry is a kind of murder family. Uh,
Speaker 1: as in you and in Jerry. Right. We always have
Speaker 1: to correct that because people think you're talking about you
Speaker 1: and your wife. Right, Okay, you me comma you comma
Speaker 1: me comma? No, No, I mean me my wife, you,
Speaker 1: me and Jerry. I've always thought about it, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I miss what you said though you thought
Speaker 1: it was. Is what a murder from murder family? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: in the kindest possible way, exactly exactly. Um No, we're
Speaker 1: in a murder family. And after everybody learned about the
Speaker 1: Bloody Benders, they'll be like, yeah, Josh and Chuck and
Speaker 1: Jerry or no murder family. Um and we wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to be either, because it turns out murder families are
Speaker 1: not so great. Chuck, right, And can we shout out
Speaker 1: a listener who submitted this topic? Oh yeah, definitely that's
Speaker 1: I feel like it's happening more and more like a lot.
Speaker 1: As our world gets smaller, our listeners are reminding us
Speaker 1: that it is quite large. Uh. And we got this
Speaker 1: one from a Kanson that's very appropriate. Is that how
Speaker 1: you say it? Kansa? I think it's Kansinian night, Okay,
Speaker 1: Kanzinia nighte uh named Star White. And apparently Starr was
Speaker 1: traveling UH with the family through Kansas and saw signs
Speaker 1: in Montgomery County for the Benders, the Bloody Benders and
Speaker 1: things commemorating this and said, I'm a Kanson, a Kansania Nite,
Speaker 1: and I had no idea that this was a thing.
Speaker 1: I gotta learn more about this, So we're doing one.
Speaker 1: You know, we like to keep it spooky in October
Speaker 1: where we can't sure for sure, and there's nothing spookier
Speaker 1: than a serial killing family. Interestingly, to um this past,
Speaker 1: I think march Um. What I'm taking to be is
Speaker 1: one of the definitive books on the Benders came out.
Speaker 1: It's called Hell's half Acre uh, and it is by
Speaker 1: an author named named a drum Roll named Susan Joe Nousus.
Speaker 1: That's how I'm going with her last name but it
Speaker 1: came out in March called Hell's Health Acre, and um,
Speaker 1: it does look pretty awesome, so I figured that had
Speaker 1: to do with this, But no, it's just completely off
Speaker 1: the cuff from a listener from Kansas. Huh, just driving through.
Speaker 1: Great name too, by the way, Star White, what a
Speaker 1: great name. It's almost like star wipe. No one, do
Speaker 1: you like it? It's your favorite transition that I do
Speaker 1: know what bender actually, but this is I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any relation. Yeah, because it's not entirely clear that
Speaker 1: that was even their names too, so we should talk it.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a family that lived in Kansas in
Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies at a time when Kansas was like
Speaker 1: the front tier, maybe even maybe even beyond the frontier um.
Speaker 1: The Trail of Tears had happened by this time, so
Speaker 1: the o Sage people who had lived there previously have
Speaker 1: been forced off their land and moved further west to Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and the federal government said, come anybody, all you criminals,
Speaker 1: you unsavory characters, people escaping your past, come and settle
Speaker 1: here in Kansas. It's like Australia but in the center
Speaker 1: of the United States. That's right, Did you do bad
Speaker 1: things back east, right, just pick up your bags and
Speaker 1: head west. That's precisely right. And so a lot of
Speaker 1: them stopped in Kansas. Again, this was the frontier, but
Speaker 1: people were still going west too. So um, as we'll
Speaker 1: find out this this family, the Bender family kind of
Speaker 1: put up a claim or set down a claim. They
Speaker 1: did something with the claim. I'm not not quite up
Speaker 1: on my like, um old prospect or terminology claim something Yeah,
Speaker 1: on this road that kind of kept leading west, and
Speaker 1: they they set up a tavern in for people to
Speaker 1: stop in, which is neither here nor there quite yet,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of wanted to foreshadow that there's
Speaker 1: going to be a tavern coming in the future. That's right,
Speaker 1: And that's probably a generous term for what they set up. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty remote well, I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: not to make too many Kansas jokes, but it was
Speaker 1: a pretty remote part of Kansas, in southeastern Kansas invent Uh.
Speaker 1: It was not Cherry Vell yet, but it would eventually
Speaker 1: become Cherry Veil. And at first the two uh gentlemen
Speaker 1: arrived John Bender, Sr. He was around sixty years old.
Speaker 1: People called him Paw. He didn't talk a lot when
Speaker 1: he did talk. It was mostly in German. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then he was with a younger guy in his twenties.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're gonna say things like identified as
Speaker 1: his son or you know, may or may not have
Speaker 1: been the daughter. Like this is because of a lot
Speaker 1: of things, partially just you know, a lot of record
Speaker 1: keeping back then wasn't super solid. It, especially when it
Speaker 1: turns out you may be using aliases and he may
Speaker 1: be faking that you're a family or you may actually
Speaker 1: be a family. Like no one really knows for sure, uh,
Speaker 1: the facts of this, but John Bender Jr. Was with
Speaker 1: him uh and he also occasionally went by an alias.
Speaker 1: Uh put a pin in this one named John Gebhart
Speaker 1: Chris get Heart. He's a comedian, he's great. But apparently
Speaker 1: John Gebhart or John Bender Jr. Um was a bit
Speaker 1: of a comedian's himself. But some reports he was his
Speaker 1: own audience and no one else was. So to put
Speaker 1: in another way, he apparently laughed at stuff like inappropriately
Speaker 1: like Dr hibbert um and also at times when exactly
Speaker 1: that was a great John Bender Junior impression by the
Speaker 1: r but um at times where people were like this,
Speaker 1: this guy ain't quite right and he also talked a lot,
Speaker 1: so he was kind of an odd fixture as well
Speaker 1: as we'll find out the whole family was. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had a German accent, but did speak fluent English. Uh.
Speaker 1: And some people think he may have been intellectually disabled. Um,
Speaker 1: looking at kind of some of the things that happened,
Speaker 1: it seems like I don't know about clear, but you know,
Speaker 1: at a time in eighteen seventy, they wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: categorizing people as such anyway, you know, no for sure,
Speaker 1: but from the articles of the time, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: going with from now on. Um, they they they nobody
Speaker 1: said anything even remotely like that. I saw it on
Speaker 1: one I think the Crime Reads article, and that was
Speaker 1: about it. I just got the impression that was really
Speaker 1: kind of weird and almost like a Jethro clamp It type.
Speaker 1: That's who he reminds me of. Okay. Uh So what
Speaker 1: they built on their hundred and sixty acres was uh
Speaker 1: you called it a tavern. I call it just a
Speaker 1: big room kind of like a bunk a bunk house.
Speaker 1: And maybe they called it or Olivia, who helped us
Speaker 1: with this, called it a foothouse. But it was sixt
Speaker 1: ft wide, twenty four ft long. So what they eventually
Speaker 1: did was they would put up a canvas sheet kind
Speaker 1: of splitting it into They lived in the back and
Speaker 1: then they called you know, they called it an inn,
Speaker 1: you called it the tavern. It was really just a
Speaker 1: room with some canned goods and supplies and I think
Speaker 1: a couple of beds, sort of like a bunk house.
Speaker 1: It was not fancy at all. No, but I'm guessing
Speaker 1: like as you were passing through Kansas back then and
Speaker 1: maybe even today, it was pretty appealing. Do you think, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it was better than sleeping out on the
Speaker 1: open prairie with the bedroll, right, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: hot meal. You know, they probably had tobacco, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was better than nothing. And I think
Speaker 1: I get the impression. Also. One of the things that
Speaker 1: made it better than nothing was um the daughter who
Speaker 1: I say, we meet right now. Her name was Kate,
Speaker 1: and she showed up after this this tavern, this house
Speaker 1: had been built. That's right. The two ladies were sent
Speaker 1: for after everything was done, and it was Ma Bender,
Speaker 1: who everyone just sort of assumed was the wife and
Speaker 1: the the matriarch of the family. She went by Elvira
Speaker 1: sometimes she was maybe in her fifties and let on
Speaker 1: like she didn't speak any if very little, if any
Speaker 1: English at all, but I had like a terrible temper.
Speaker 1: She was widely reputed about from anybody that met her
Speaker 1: that she was just a terrible cuss of a person
Speaker 1: from what I gather. Yeah, in fact, I think she
Speaker 1: may have been the one sort of leading this whole charge.
Speaker 1: I've seen both. I've seen her or I've seen Kate,
Speaker 1: and Kate Kate was the daughter. She was UM in
Speaker 1: her twenties. But I think more than anything, Um she
Speaker 1: uh kind of attracted passers by with flyers um advertising
Speaker 1: her mediumship like she was into spiritualism and free love
Speaker 1: apparently too, and who knows what that means. In eighteen
Speaker 1: seventies Kansas, she was shown a little ankle. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I have no idea what free love means in
Speaker 1: that context, but it was unusual at least and got attention. Um.
Speaker 1: Some people thought she may have been the daughter. Other
Speaker 1: people thought that they presented she and John Jr. As
Speaker 1: Um a couple. So it's just sort of one of
Speaker 1: those things. It's it's it's loose out there in eighteen seventies, Kansas. Right.
Speaker 1: So one other thing I read Chuck that Levy didn't
Speaker 1: quite hit on, um was that this family, they weren't
Speaker 1: like exactly you know, fading into the woodwork or the
Speaker 1: prairie like. They were well known in their little community,
Speaker 1: mainly because they were only like eight or ten other
Speaker 1: settlements around them at the time, but also because I
Speaker 1: think they were the only ones running a tavern, and
Speaker 1: they had an orchard. That will factor in later, but
Speaker 1: apparently their cherries and apples and peaches were like really
Speaker 1: prized out there at the time. So they were part
Speaker 1: of the community, but they were known to be weird.
Speaker 1: In Ma in particular. You just kind of avoided her
Speaker 1: as best as you could. Right. So they have of
Speaker 1: things set up. It's on the edge of the Great
Speaker 1: oh Sage Trail, which is, like you mentioned earlier, where
Speaker 1: a lot of people continued westward, and it was a
Speaker 1: good place to have a little bunk house that that
Speaker 1: you know, sold a few things. Uh, what's the word,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a general store? No? Um, all these
Speaker 1: bargain house rations okay, yeah, selling rations and things like that.
Speaker 1: They sell rations at Ali's. What is allis it's like
Speaker 1: a deep discount liquidary. Like if you stole a truck,
Speaker 1: you just drive it over there and they'll buy everything
Speaker 1: and then turn around and sell it. I don't think
Speaker 1: they actually do that, but it's the appearance of that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Uh. Yeah, we should be clear. I
Speaker 1: think I've never heard of ALI, so I'm I'm innocent
Speaker 1: of this. You should go wander around one and you'd
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I got you. Here's an oriental rug,
Speaker 1: here's um some off brand bleach on the next stile.
Speaker 1: Like it's just just that yeah, oh yeah. It's like
Speaker 1: all over the place, in every strip mall, in every city,
Speaker 1: in every in every country in the world. It may
Speaker 1: be one of those things that's so ubiquitous. I've just
Speaker 1: never noticed it right under my nose. All right. So
Speaker 1: they set up in Allies right there on the great
Speaker 1: out stage trail, and maybe this is a good place
Speaker 1: to take our first break. Oh I wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 1: Let me see. Okay, that sounds good, okay, chuck so um.
Speaker 1: One of the things that Um made the Benders made
Speaker 1: us call the Benders and murder families that they started
Speaker 1: murdering people pretty shortly after they set up this homestead
Speaker 1: along the O s Age Trail. And one of the
Speaker 1: things about Kansas at the time was it was really
Speaker 1: really violent. Um. Not just in the wars against the
Speaker 1: Native Americans there. UM, there were also um pro slavery
Speaker 1: and anti slavery factions that committed atrocities against one another. Um.
Speaker 1: The Civil War by bread kind of broke out thanks
Speaker 1: to Kansas. I'm struggling which kind of state it was
Speaker 1: going to be. UM. So it was a really violent place.
Speaker 1: And it was with that kind of violent backdrop that
Speaker 1: a family could just kill a bunch of travelers with
Speaker 1: without anyone really taking notice. Because it was also just
Speaker 1: the kind of place where people just went missing. It
Speaker 1: just happened. It was a really dangerous place to travel.
Speaker 1: So when it happened, it didn't exactly like set off
Speaker 1: the media and search parties didn't usually come out for people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolute um. However, when they start turning up in regular
Speaker 1: order around town, then you've got a problem. And that's
Speaker 1: what happened. Uh. In May of eight seventy one, the
Speaker 1: body of a man was found in local Drum Creek. UH.
Speaker 1: This is southeast of the Benders House. And this is
Speaker 1: very key here, he had his he had been brained,
Speaker 1: he had his skull bashed in and had his throat cut, which,
Speaker 1: as you will see, becomes the recurring m O of
Speaker 1: this family. Yep uh. Two more men were found shortly after,
Speaker 1: I think a few months later. A few months after that, um,
Speaker 1: another body was found all in the creek and apparently
Speaker 1: they all um had that same kind of a mortal
Speaker 1: wound or that combination of injuries. And one of the
Speaker 1: bodies was identified as a man named William Jones, and
Speaker 1: he had been carrying known to have been carrying about
Speaker 1: two fifty dollars, which at the time was like a
Speaker 1: lot of money to today, close to it, okay, And
Speaker 1: he was going to pay off his mortgage for his homestead,
Speaker 1: which is something people did at that time too. It's
Speaker 1: another thing that made it dangerous. A lot of people
Speaker 1: were walking around with a lot of cash because they
Speaker 1: were going to buy land, pay off mortgages, do god
Speaker 1: knows what, and there weren't banks, so they were traveling
Speaker 1: with cash. And this guy was exactly that. And there
Speaker 1: was a farmer whose land he was found on that
Speaker 1: was initially accused, but they were like, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was him, so he got off, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: he was like wait what what No, it wasn't me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the way he got off too, was kind of
Speaker 1: frustrating as a uh like a crime enthusiast reader, because
Speaker 1: they investigated it and they found that, uh, the wagon
Speaker 1: that dropped him had a very distinctive track that one
Speaker 1: of the back wheels was off center, and I kept
Speaker 1: waiting for that to come back as like, remember that wagon,
Speaker 1: that's what eventually led to the killers. But spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: that does not happen. So don't put a pin in it.
Speaker 1: Take the pin out of that, Yeah, just take throw
Speaker 1: that pin away, break into so. Um. The thing about
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why people started getting
Speaker 1: hot under the collar about these murders too, is that
Speaker 1: this area got a really bad reputation really fast. Like
Speaker 1: it was like you avoid the spot as best you can,
Speaker 1: like maybe go out of your way to avoid this
Speaker 1: area on the O Sage Trail because people just wind
Speaker 1: up missing there. Um. And that kind of got people
Speaker 1: aware of like the whole, the whole problem that the
Speaker 1: area was facing, but they didn't know who it was,
Speaker 1: and they certainly hadn't centered on the benders. The benders
Speaker 1: just had a reputation as being odd and um, possibly
Speaker 1: a little um maybe violently unusual, but not murderers by
Speaker 1: any stretch. They just weren't suspected for a really long time.
Speaker 1: Violently unusual. Yeah, what a reputation. Yeah, that's pretty serious. Uh.
Speaker 1: Here's another story too that you do need to get
Speaker 1: that pin out put it back together, that you Josh
Speaker 1: told you to break in and put a pin in
Speaker 1: this story because this was chronologically speaking, February seventy three,
Speaker 1: a woman who didn't really have any money apparently stopped
Speaker 1: at the home, asked to rest, asked for some food,
Speaker 1: fell asleep on a bed in the back, and then
Speaker 1: when she woke up there was mob bender and she
Speaker 1: pointed to a table covered in pistols and knives and said,
Speaker 1: there your suppers ready. So this lady somehow apparently manages
Speaker 1: to stay composed and not like react with alarm after
Speaker 1: like waiting up fiddle, yeah exactly, and said I just
Speaker 1: need to step outside for a minute to to do something.
Speaker 1: Just apparently made a private excuse, is what the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Time said, and um and ran and took off
Speaker 1: running barefoot. Basically, you know, in her sleeping clothes, ran
Speaker 1: for a couple of miles to find help. And it's
Speaker 1: hard to parse together what this sentence from the Times
Speaker 1: even means, but I'm taking it to mean that it didn't.
Speaker 1: Really it still didn't set off alarm bells for this family.
Speaker 1: It didn't. And that, by the way, is a classic
Speaker 1: example of being violently unusual. Okay, you know they were
Speaker 1: just like, if you're violently unusual, you have the kind
Speaker 1: of house that people run two miles away from in
Speaker 1: their bare feet wee, where guns and knives are presented
Speaker 1: his supper exactly right. So this is just kind of
Speaker 1: going along. The benders are homing along do and there
Speaker 1: murdering thing. People don't really suspect them, but the area's
Speaker 1: got a bad reputation. But there was a series of murders,
Speaker 1: actually a combo one two punch of murders that finally
Speaker 1: led to their discovery as a murder family. And the
Speaker 1: first thing started with a guy named George Newton long Core,
Speaker 1: who um left Independence, Kansas, which was just to the
Speaker 1: west of Cherry Veil along the O Sage Trail, and
Speaker 1: he was on his way to Iowa, so we would
Speaker 1: have passed through Cherry veil Um along with his eighteen
Speaker 1: month old daughter, mary Anne, and he never made it
Speaker 1: to Iowa. And that caught the attention another man, a
Speaker 1: physician named William York, who was his neighbor and was
Speaker 1: concerned enough that he started traveling around inquiring about him
Speaker 1: to see if he could figure out what happened to
Speaker 1: George and his daughter mary Anne. Yeah. Good neighbor, Yeah,
Speaker 1: really good neighbor, like to do such a thing to
Speaker 1: take this trip. So starts investigating, finds out that the
Speaker 1: the horse and wagon team was abandoned near Fort Scott,
Speaker 1: Kansas and in the spring. Um, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's what led him to go out there. So he's
Speaker 1: out there in the spring, he gets to Fort Scott,
Speaker 1: all that stuff is still there. Basically all other stuff
Speaker 1: had been abandoned. They were nowhere to be found. So
Speaker 1: he's like, something is going on. I need to go
Speaker 1: back to Independence. And then he disappears. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: really caught the attention of people because it turned out
Speaker 1: Dr William York And if I said Edward the first time,
Speaker 1: he's forgive me. His name was William and he was
Speaker 1: a doctor, and he was a York and there were
Speaker 1: two other Yorks. He had a brother named Edward, who
Speaker 1: was neither here nor there, but he had a really
Speaker 1: important brother named Alexander York, who was a colonel from
Speaker 1: the Civil War and also a Kansas senator. So they
Speaker 1: had murdered the brother of a Kansas senator who was
Speaker 1: known to be out looking around the area of Cherry
Speaker 1: Vale for somebody else who had gone missing. And that
Speaker 1: really got people's antenta up, Yeah, big time, enough to
Speaker 1: where they got a search party. Colonel Alexander I think
Speaker 1: about seventy five men set off and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: they were scouring around. They were, uh, they basically kind
Speaker 1: of figured out at one point that they definitely went
Speaker 1: by the Bender's house. So let's go by and talk
Speaker 1: to these people, see what's going on. When they do
Speaker 1: this mob Bender um, you know, claims to not speak English,
Speaker 1: which seems like her Her main jam, her big joke
Speaker 1: besides here's her supper of guns and knives, was I
Speaker 1: also don't speak English. Uh, Kate Young Kate says, I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about this guy, and then John Jr. Said, Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I was shot at when I was out there at
Speaker 1: Drum Creek where all these like bodies have been found,
Speaker 1: and I can take you out there and like maybe
Speaker 1: the people that shot at me killed your friends as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again, just imagine jeth throw Clampitt saying this and
Speaker 1: taking people out to look at a place where he
Speaker 1: claims to have been shot at. Right. I just I
Speaker 1: love that bit so um so. But he's also just cookie,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, did you watch The Beverly hill Billies?
Speaker 1: I did, like a lot. Uh, yeah, yeah, I watched
Speaker 1: it a lot. So do you remember the time or
Speaker 1: the period? I guess it was a phase where Jethrow
Speaker 1: ended up becoming like a movie producer in Hollywood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was got a little weird later in that show,
Speaker 1: it really didn't get weird. So it's not clear whether
Speaker 1: this is that Hollywood producer of Jethrow or the original
Speaker 1: uh mountaineer son of Jethro. Either way, it works pretty good.
Speaker 1: But he takes Alexander and the search party out there.
Speaker 1: I guess he gave enough of an explanation and was,
Speaker 1: you know, pointing out different spots well enough that they're
Speaker 1: like either they believed him or they just didn't really care,
Speaker 1: and they kind of headed on Basically, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he showed bullet holes in a tree, or not holes
Speaker 1: but bullet markings, uh, which you know Kansas in the
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies, about half the tree said bullets in him.
Speaker 1: So that doesn't prove anything, but like you said, it
Speaker 1: was enough at least sniff them slightly off the case,
Speaker 1: at least temporarily. Um. But they came back a few
Speaker 1: days later. Said, listen, we heard about this lady over
Speaker 1: the past few days who came here. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to really start anything, but she said that you said,
Speaker 1: here's your supper, and it was guns and n eyes.
Speaker 1: There's something about a pistol supper or something like That's
Speaker 1: that's weird. She ran away barefoot for two miles and
Speaker 1: no one made a big deal out of it. But
Speaker 1: now we kind of want to know. This is where
Speaker 1: mob Bender all of a sudden starts speaking English. Apparently
Speaker 1: the quote is she flew into a violent patch and
Speaker 1: and went off saying, you know that that lady was
Speaker 1: a witch and she has uh you know, cursed Kate's
Speaker 1: coffee and that she was gonna drink and if she
Speaker 1: ever comes back here, I'm gonna kill her. We got
Speaker 1: her out of here. She was a witch. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: converted Kate's coffee into that mushroom coffee, and now Kate
Speaker 1: refuses to drink it. What's mushroom coffee? It's exactly what
Speaker 1: it sounds like. Don't actually have coffee. Oh, it's made
Speaker 1: out of mushrooms. Yeah, uh yeah, you should try it sometime,
Speaker 1: just to say you tried it. Now. That's what on
Speaker 1: those survival shows. They get like roots and twigs and
Speaker 1: boil that stuff down. They're like, here's my morning coffee.
Speaker 1: Have fun with that. So um so they so again
Speaker 1: still like they were kind of like, Okay, this family's
Speaker 1: really weird, but we don't really have anything on them.
Speaker 1: But it was enough that Um Alexander Yorke kind of
Speaker 1: stuck around town and they held a meeting um with
Speaker 1: for basically the whole town that Pa and John Jr.
Speaker 1: Even attended, and they said, Hey, this place has a
Speaker 1: bad reputation. Something's going on. These two people at the
Speaker 1: very least have been have turned up missing. We need
Speaker 1: to just search everyone's homestead. And apparently very brassily, uh,
Speaker 1: at least one neighbor said, I've got nothing to hide,
Speaker 1: search my homestead, and Pa said the same thing. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't either. You guys search my homestead, and so
Speaker 1: I guess they kind of did a slow motion search,
Speaker 1: because it was at least a week I saw, if
Speaker 1: not a couple of weeks before they finally made it
Speaker 1: out to search the Benders place. And when they showed up,
Speaker 1: they realized very quickly that the Benders weren't there and
Speaker 1: probably hadn't been there since the night of that meeting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when they realized, they told people to come and search
Speaker 1: their house. You said, my favorite part about Kid's jam
Speaker 1: is that they asked her to do the seance to
Speaker 1: like give some more information, like people if you're so
Speaker 1: good at that, And she said, now, it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's daytime. There's too many people around, Like have you
Speaker 1: ever seen the seance? She's like, why don't you come
Speaker 1: back tomorrow night, just the two of you and we'll
Speaker 1: do one. And they were like, no, thank you, right,
Speaker 1: I think I'll take the zero in that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, doctor, Colonel. No. Colonel Alexander York
Speaker 1: was a sharp dude, basically, Yeah, but the townspeople weren't
Speaker 1: sharp enough to go. I don't know if they were
Speaker 1: searching other places. I know there was a weather issue,
Speaker 1: but like you said, by the time they got there,
Speaker 1: they were Gonzo's um. They left there, they took a
Speaker 1: train because they found their horse and wagon and even
Speaker 1: their dog just on a public street near the train station. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they got the heck out of Dodge, well not
Speaker 1: out of Dodge, out of what would become Cherry Veil,
Speaker 1: very close, very close. So the volunteers were like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess since they left, we and just go ahead
Speaker 1: and go on in. And apparently they found very quickly
Speaker 1: that there was a trap door in the floor. And
Speaker 1: when they opened the trap door I guess a lot
Speaker 1: of them gagged because it smelled like decaying human remains.
Speaker 1: And even though they looked in there and there weren't
Speaker 1: actual bodies, there was so much blood and gore in
Speaker 1: this cellar rotting that it was enough to make a
Speaker 1: person gag even without a full body decomposing there. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great place for our second break. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: the height of suspense. Let's do it. We'll be back
Speaker 1: and talk about what was making that smell right after this,
Speaker 1: all right, So they have a stone cellar under the
Speaker 1: house covered in blood and stinks like dead bodies, even
Speaker 1: though there's no dead bodies. And we said we were
Speaker 1: going to get to the bottom of the smell. The
Speaker 1: bottom of it is, Uh, there were dead bodies in
Speaker 1: there previously. Yeah. Yeah, So they had this pretty easy.
Speaker 1: They had the um, the trap set up, the trap
Speaker 1: door set up, so it led to a hole in
Speaker 1: the cellar, and then there was a like a way
Speaker 1: outer I guess, a way in from the foundation, and
Speaker 1: they would kill people, put them in the trap door
Speaker 1: through the trap door to the cellar, and then retrieved
Speaker 1: them at night when they weren't prying eyes around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Pretty good system they had going. Uh. They started searching around.
Speaker 1: They did eventually find bodies. Uh. They found William York's
Speaker 1: body buried in the orchard. They found Lanker's body buried
Speaker 1: along with young mary Anne who uh the two gentlemen
Speaker 1: had the head wounds in the in the throat wounds.
Speaker 1: Mary Anne, I've seen variously was either suffocated or suffocated
Speaker 1: from being buried alive but not brained in throat slit
Speaker 1: at least tragic either way, of course, but very very
Speaker 1: sad case. Uh. Eventually they would go on to find
Speaker 1: about a dozen bodies and were eventually implicated in as
Speaker 1: many as twenty one murders. Yeah, Um they found it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it saw eleven I think, including um Mary Anne. Um.
Speaker 1: A bunch of them were in the orchard. They looked
Speaker 1: around the property and realized that there were a bunch
Speaker 1: of depressions in the orchard. And they're like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if those are graves, and Um, they turned up people
Speaker 1: in the graves. They found somebody in the well, and
Speaker 1: then yeah, when you add them together with all the
Speaker 1: people dumped in Drum Creek, I guess it comes to
Speaker 1: about one. And they developed this theory of what had happened,
Speaker 1: in part based on some people who had narrowly escaped
Speaker 1: with their lives and hadn't realized it until after the
Speaker 1: benders um became national news. But that that curtain that
Speaker 1: they had dividing the tavern, the olive's bargain bin from
Speaker 1: the rest of the house, Um was right behind the
Speaker 1: seat where they would have travelers and guests sit when
Speaker 1: they were eating a meal, right, Yeah, And they would
Speaker 1: have them sit there and you know, from the other
Speaker 1: side it would you know, they would be silhouetted, silhouetted
Speaker 1: by the candle light so they could see clearly where
Speaker 1: they were, and then Paw or John Jr. Would either
Speaker 1: use like the butt of an axe or a hammer
Speaker 1: to brain them. Uh. They would put them in the
Speaker 1: cellar and rob them and then slit their throat. And uh.
Speaker 1: That's how it was sort of a I don't know
Speaker 1: the fact, like, all right, let's go ahead and tell
Speaker 1: the stories about the other guys. Because after this came out,
Speaker 1: people started coming forward, like you said. A guy named
Speaker 1: Mr Wetzel said, hey, wait a minute. They tried to
Speaker 1: get me to sit right by that curtain and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't sit by the curtain, and mob Bender got really
Speaker 1: mad about that, and so we got the heck out
Speaker 1: of there. Uh. And then another guy named William Pickering said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to sit by that curtain because it
Speaker 1: was dirty and gross, and I took a different seat
Speaker 1: and they got in a big fight and Kate came
Speaker 1: at me with a knife. So I don't know why
Speaker 1: they just didn't come up behind the membrane them like
Speaker 1: the Maybe they felt the curtain offered some sort of cover.
Speaker 1: It just seems very like stubborn, like they had to
Speaker 1: follow a procedure or else the person. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to sit there. I'm like, well, you can't murder a
Speaker 1: guy in another chair. Well, I I don't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think it would have been as easy to come
Speaker 1: up behind him from the from the curtain, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Maybe it sounds a little I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess they got away with it for a little while,
Speaker 1: so but I don't know, it sounds a little uh amateurish, sure,
Speaker 1: or they were such professionals they just stuck to the script.
Speaker 1: If the scriptivated, they didn't take chances. And there's there's
Speaker 1: actually a good suggestion of why they didn't take chances,
Speaker 1: because there were um later discovered in the house bullet
Speaker 1: holes um in the walls and in the door frames.
Speaker 1: And that was taken to be from people who had
Speaker 1: tried to fight back when they realized what was going on. Um.
Speaker 1: But I guess they had ultimately been unsuccessful, because nobody
Speaker 1: escaped that house saying they had shot at everyone because
Speaker 1: they tried to brain them, you know. Or maybe it's
Speaker 1: just supper. Yes, so pistol pistol suffer, You're right, who knows? Uh?
Speaker 1: So the story gets out becomes you know, for the
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies becomes a pretty big media storm whatever that
Speaker 1: looked like back then, and people, you know, it became
Speaker 1: like a bit of a tourist stop. Like people. It
Speaker 1: sounds like people essentially showed up there and kind of
Speaker 1: looted the place. Over time, we're just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: breaking up pieces of the seller and breaking up the
Speaker 1: bed frame and kind of just taking whatever they wanted with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons it became such a media
Speaker 1: frenzy is they were the first serial killers in America
Speaker 1: that America ever produced, at least as far as the
Speaker 1: media could tell um. A decade later, Austin would have
Speaker 1: what's frequently referred to as the first serial killer in
Speaker 1: America with the Servant Girl Annihilator, which is I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I want to do a podcast on that. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know that name alone. It's like, that's all right,
Speaker 1: that stopped me cold. I mean, this was ten years
Speaker 1: before Jack the Ripper even right exactly in H. H. Holmes,
Speaker 1: who's also often referred to as America's first serial killer,
Speaker 1: he wasn't until the um eighteen thirties or eighteen nineties,
Speaker 1: So he was like a good twenty years on, So
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. So not only do we
Speaker 1: have America's first serial killer, we had America's first dark
Speaker 1: tourists show up at their house and take everything they
Speaker 1: possibly could as a memento. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that happened about this being such a huge media sensation
Speaker 1: is that, like the country was following this and everyone
Speaker 1: was basically looking for the vendors because don't forget, they vanished.
Speaker 1: No one knew which way they went. All they knew
Speaker 1: was that somewhere not too far off, they'd ridden their
Speaker 1: wagon to that train station, and the train ticket person
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, those four people definitely bought tickets, but
Speaker 1: I can't tell you where. Yeah exactly, they said, you
Speaker 1: can tell us. I'm a doctor. Uh. They did arrest
Speaker 1: twelve men. Um, this sounds a little bit like, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got to kind of do something. So they arrest
Speaker 1: these guys who they alleged maybe were involved as far
Speaker 1: as receiving stolen goods, because they never really found a
Speaker 1: super clear motive. I mean, it seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of them may have had like traveling money, or like
Speaker 1: the guy who had the two fifty bucks, which was
Speaker 1: a lot of money at the time, um, but it
Speaker 1: was never liked percent established, like their motive was just
Speaker 1: to rob people. But they implicated these twelve guys, those
Speaker 1: guys who may have up them move uh stolen items
Speaker 1: and money and stuff like that. And apparently one of
Speaker 1: the guys was a member of a vigilante committee who
Speaker 1: tried to get on to help lead the investigation with
Speaker 1: Colonel York. But I was denied and rejected, and I
Speaker 1: think that kind of hurt his feelings. And I think
Speaker 1: what it came down to was these guys, they were
Speaker 1: known as the regulators, these vigilantees. They were throat cutters.
Speaker 1: They would cut people's throat instead of like bringing them
Speaker 1: back to face trial. And then they just sort of
Speaker 1: tied it to these people because of the throat cutting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of pretty innocent a lot of well
Speaker 1: a lot of innocent people died as a result. So
Speaker 1: these people were bad dudes. But I saw that it
Speaker 1: was more than just the throat cutting, that there was
Speaker 1: a way that they would particularly leave bodies like you.
Speaker 1: They would put the right hand against the right breast
Speaker 1: and the left hand down like just by their side,
Speaker 1: like a pledge of allegiance. Almost but you're you're like
Speaker 1: as if you don't know which side of your chest
Speaker 1: to put your hand in, you you've got it wrong,
Speaker 1: kind of like that. And apparently they found a lot
Speaker 1: of the bodies in the orchard, um at the at
Speaker 1: the Bender's place, posed like this basically almost like this
Speaker 1: was this is the sign, like this is what this
Speaker 1: gang did. So I don't think they were like in
Speaker 1: the gang, but it's possible that gang of vigilantes were
Speaker 1: fencing this stuff for them, and that they were at
Speaker 1: least tangentially related. You know, sure, it's possible. Um, when
Speaker 1: it comes down to who these people really were, we're
Speaker 1: not exactly sure. There's been a lot of modern investigation
Speaker 1: about who they were, and they think that Ma was
Speaker 1: a woman named Almira meek Um and was from upstate
Speaker 1: New York near the Adirondack Mountains, so not German at all. Um.
Speaker 1: There were some pretty sketchy accounts, not super well researched,
Speaker 1: that said she had been married before and that her
Speaker 1: husband's had all met violent deaths from head wounds. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if that's just the Internet
Speaker 1: running with something or if that's true. Apparently, out of
Speaker 1: all of the four, the um Ma and Kate seemed
Speaker 1: to have actually been related, although I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I didn't see how did you like how they were related? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: like they were supposed to be mother and daughter. But
Speaker 1: how did how did that ever get turned up? Like?
Speaker 1: Where where was that? How was that ever defined? Or
Speaker 1: I think just people doing like modern research on lineage
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, because they think they turned up
Speaker 1: her original name to that Ma was married to a
Speaker 1: man named Griffith, and that Kate was really Eliza Griffith. Uh.
Speaker 1: John Sr. Apparently was John flicking Er uh and was
Speaker 1: either from Germany or the Netherlands. And then John Jr.
Speaker 1: Apparently his real name was the alias that he was using.
Speaker 1: That I said to put up in John Gerhard and
Speaker 1: now you can take that pin out, break in half
Speaker 1: and throw it away. So if he was using his
Speaker 1: real name as an alias, then I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: was going on with John Jr. No, No, he was
Speaker 1: a jet throw type, don't forget so. Um. The there
Speaker 1: were people who were like, oh, we've seen the vendors.
Speaker 1: Who saw the vendors here, they went this way, they
Speaker 1: went that away. Um. For years and years and years
Speaker 1: it was um like like people would would report on
Speaker 1: their whereabouts, and it's uncleared to this day whether people
Speaker 1: did or didn't know where they went. UM. I saw
Speaker 1: there was one like kind of article I guess from
Speaker 1: the time that was basically like, yeah, everybody knows where
Speaker 1: they are and there's just nothing anyone can do. They
Speaker 1: made it to another state and everybody just kind of
Speaker 1: leaves everybody else alone out there. Other people have always
Speaker 1: reported like, no, they have no idea where they went.
Speaker 1: They just kind of vanished in the thin air. And
Speaker 1: then there were reports that were usually incorrect, that they've
Speaker 1: either been captured or that they've been killed um or.
Speaker 1: There was one report that Pod died by suicide in
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan in right Another one said John Jr. And
Speaker 1: Kate went to uh New Mexico like sort of Texas
Speaker 1: New Mexico border and John died of a stroke. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some people said that vigilantes got them and they burned
Speaker 1: Kate alive and shot and killed the other ones buried
Speaker 1: him in the prairies, but no one ever claimed the
Speaker 1: pretty substantial reward, you know, close to seventy grand today,
Speaker 1: So it seems like none of these stories were probably true,
Speaker 1: or maybe who knows, maybe one of them was. There's
Speaker 1: just no way to know. So, Um, Laura Ingalls Wilder
Speaker 1: actually had a family story that I read that her
Speaker 1: daughter basically said, hey, you should weave this into our
Speaker 1: family story. So it's almost certainly not true that. Um.
Speaker 1: She and her family, on their way to homestead passed
Speaker 1: by the Bender's tavern, but they didn't have enough money
Speaker 1: to go in for food or to stay there. But
Speaker 1: they settled in a close enough area that after the
Speaker 1: Benders were found out, Um, her father, there was a
Speaker 1: knock on her family's door and her father was summoned
Speaker 1: outside with his gun, and he didn't come back until morning.
Speaker 1: But at any time you ever asked him about the Benders,
Speaker 1: he would say, there they'll never be found again. Um. Again,
Speaker 1: this isn't true. And one of the other things that
Speaker 1: really undermines the vigilante theories again, seventy thousand and today's
Speaker 1: dollars was offered as a reward. Somebody from that group
Speaker 1: of vigilantes would have stepped up and taken it, or
Speaker 1: even if they didn't, how could a group of vigilantes
Speaker 1: keep that secret for all that time that it's still
Speaker 1: to this day never came up, because that would be
Speaker 1: something to boast about that you were among the group
Speaker 1: of vigilantes that caught and killed the bloody benders. You know.
Speaker 1: So I think the vigilante thing is get a book
Speaker 1: deal at the very least for sure. Uh. These days,
Speaker 1: I think it's the kind of thing where a lot
Speaker 1: of Kansas Indian nights know about it. Um. You know
Speaker 1: that there they celebrated bender Days for a while. Uh.
Speaker 1: They had a replica at Cherry Vale at one point
Speaker 1: of the Bendor House. UM. More recently. Uh. In fact,
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, a gentleman named Bob Miller,
Speaker 1: who was as a financial advisor from Independence and a
Speaker 1: historian and who knows maybe a bit of a murder junkie,
Speaker 1: bought the land uh and basically said, like, Hey, the
Speaker 1: people that own this land never did anything with it.
Speaker 1: They never searched for the location of the murder sites
Speaker 1: or the house, and and I want to do that.
Speaker 1: I want to like have like professional expert investigations done
Speaker 1: on the property. Uh. I don't know if he plans
Speaker 1: to like put up like a Lizzie boarding house or something, um,
Speaker 1: but he wants to get to the bottom of what
Speaker 1: he can at least, right. Yeah, he's good. He's said
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to get with UK or K state.
Speaker 1: I don't remember which one to do, like ground penetrating surveys,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what is send game as either.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty neat that he bought it. And one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he's feeling good about finding something
Speaker 1: is there. The family that he bought it from own
Speaker 1: the land for like the last sixty five previous years,
Speaker 1: and they showed zero interests whatsoever in finding the actual
Speaker 1: site and they just turned it all into crop lands.
Speaker 1: So there's a good chance that there's something like the foundation,
Speaker 1: maybe even that gas reseller, the well that the one
Speaker 1: guy was found in remnants of the orchard. Who knows
Speaker 1: there there could be plenty of stuff left there. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna I believe they exhumed
Speaker 1: all of the bodies that they found, but that's not
Speaker 1: to say that they found everybody. You know, Yeah, absolutely, Um.
Speaker 1: There was a movie made called Bender that does not
Speaker 1: look great. Did you see the trailer? I know I didn't,
Speaker 1: I just saw. Olivia quoted a user from IMDb that
Speaker 1: said it had some of the worst acting I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: What was the trailer like, uh not? I mean, it
Speaker 1: didn't look great. I read some other reviews that said
Speaker 1: it was okay, but it wasn't like, uh, super murdery
Speaker 1: or super scary, so it kind of fell too much
Speaker 1: toward like historical drama. They talked a lot about like
Speaker 1: raising and harvesting green. Maybe I don't know, but um,
Speaker 1: there was a thing that uh in Red Dead Redemption
Speaker 1: too that it is funny because I kind of forgot
Speaker 1: about this. I played that game a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and um, there's a pig farm where your character shows
Speaker 1: up and there's a creepy old lady and a creepy
Speaker 1: old man and they're like trying to get you to
Speaker 1: stay for dinner. And apparently it's modeled after this, and
Speaker 1: you don't really know, and you know, when you're in
Speaker 1: those games, you don't know quite what to do, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I should leave. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: real life. But they offer you libations, and you need libations.
Speaker 1: So if you just don't, all right, if you if
Speaker 1: you want to play this game and you haven't, it's
Speaker 1: pretty old, don't listen to this part but if you
Speaker 1: don't care like most people, uh, don't drink the drink,
Speaker 1: because as soon as you drink the drink, the screen
Speaker 1: goes woozy and you wake up the next day. And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that good things happened overnight. Okay, but
Speaker 1: you're not dead. Huh, you're not dead. That's not very
Speaker 1: bend Ery, now, it's not. I think they were inspired
Speaker 1: by the Benders a little bit, but I don't know supposedly. Also, um,
Speaker 1: i've never read American Gods, the Neil game and book.
Speaker 1: Have you? Have you read any of his stuff? Never have.
Speaker 1: I've read some of the short stories and they're amazing,
Speaker 1: so I'm surprised I've never read his novels. But in
Speaker 1: American Gods, um, one of the characters is a Slavic
Speaker 1: god named Zernborg, so I'm going with And every time
Speaker 1: the Benders killed somebody, he gained strength from their sacrifice,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty neat little take on the whole thing,
Speaker 1: you know, because we're so like we have the blinders
Speaker 1: on here on Earth, we don't even realize this murder
Speaker 1: family is actually contributing to the well being of a
Speaker 1: Slavic god. I thought you were gonna say whenever they
Speaker 1: killed someone, they would yell zoomberg. Right, Well they did
Speaker 1: that too, but um, that was never captured in the
Speaker 1: articles from the time, Chuck. Which, by the way, if
Speaker 1: you're like I need to know more about the bloody Benders,
Speaker 1: and I will not have it filtered through history. I
Speaker 1: need the original stuff. There's a website called genealogy Trails
Speaker 1: dot com and if you search that and Bender Family
Speaker 1: and your favorite search engine, it will bring up the
Speaker 1: crime related news articles from the time about the Bender family.
Speaker 1: And it's awesome because it has a bunch of other details.
Speaker 1: But also it's got like the old timey nineteenth century,
Speaker 1: you know, crime reporting to It's just worth reading, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's always fun. Do you anything else about the Benders?
Speaker 1: Nothing else? Well, let's say about the Benders for now, everybody.
Speaker 1: And since Chuck said nothing else, that means it's time
Speaker 1: for a listener. Man. Hey, guys, stumbled across you in
Speaker 1: the summer when I was employed as a USPS role
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Speaker 1: what this is from thirty Rock. I still can't place it,
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Speaker 1: what's funny is after we talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: thirty Rock on our Sitcoms episode and Emily went out
Speaker 1: of town for a week and I barreled through season
Speaker 1: one of thirty Rock while she was gone, and it
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Speaker 1: What a show. God, Alec Baldwin and Tracy Morgan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and don't forget Liz Lemon. She was great, but uh boy,
Speaker 1: Baldwin and Tracy Morgan just slay me on the show.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone on that show was really funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tracy Morgan's best quote was somebody offered him cash whose
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm glad you said that because I
Speaker 1: thought it was a bowl of baby penises. His other
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