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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, So this is

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Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know, the Murder Family edition. Yeah, Halloween

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Speaker 1: right around the corner. I've always liked to think of you,

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Speaker 1: me and Jerry is a kind of murder family. Uh,

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Speaker 1: as in you and in Jerry. Right. We always have

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Speaker 1: to correct that because people think you're talking about you

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Speaker 1: and your wife. Right, Okay, you me comma you comma

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Speaker 1: me comma? No, No, I mean me my wife, you,

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Speaker 1: me and Jerry. I've always thought about it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I miss what you said though you thought

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Speaker 1: it was. Is what a murder from murder family? Yeah? Sure,

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Speaker 1: in the kindest possible way, exactly exactly. Um No, we're

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Speaker 1: in a murder family. And after everybody learned about the

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Speaker 1: Bloody Benders, they'll be like, yeah, Josh and Chuck and

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Speaker 1: Jerry or no murder family. Um and we wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: to be either, because it turns out murder families are

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Speaker 1: not so great. Chuck, right, And can we shout out

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Speaker 1: a listener who submitted this topic? Oh yeah, definitely that's

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's happening more and more like a lot.

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Speaker 1: As our world gets smaller, our listeners are reminding us

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Speaker 1: that it is quite large. Uh. And we got this

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Speaker 1: one from a Kanson that's very appropriate. Is that how

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Speaker 1: you say it? Kansa? I think it's Kansinian night, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Kanzinia nighte uh named Star White. And apparently Starr was

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Speaker 1: traveling UH with the family through Kansas and saw signs

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Speaker 1: in Montgomery County for the Benders, the Bloody Benders and

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Speaker 1: things commemorating this and said, I'm a Kanson, a Kansania Nite,

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Speaker 1: and I had no idea that this was a thing.

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Speaker 1: I gotta learn more about this, So we're doing one.

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Speaker 1: You know, we like to keep it spooky in October

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Speaker 1: where we can't sure for sure, and there's nothing spookier

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Speaker 1: than a serial killing family. Interestingly, to um this past,

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Speaker 1: I think march Um. What I'm taking to be is

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Speaker 1: one of the definitive books on the Benders came out.

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Speaker 1: It's called Hell's half Acre uh, and it is by

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Speaker 1: an author named named a drum Roll named Susan Joe Nousus.

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Speaker 1: That's how I'm going with her last name but it

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Speaker 1: came out in March called Hell's Health Acre, and um,

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Speaker 1: it does look pretty awesome, so I figured that had

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Speaker 1: to do with this, But no, it's just completely off

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Speaker 1: the cuff from a listener from Kansas. Huh, just driving through.

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Speaker 1: Great name too, by the way, Star White, what a

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Speaker 1: great name. It's almost like star wipe. No one, do

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Speaker 1: you like it? It's your favorite transition that I do

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Speaker 1: know what bender actually, but this is I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any relation. Yeah, because it's not entirely clear that

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Speaker 1: that was even their names too, so we should talk it.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a family that lived in Kansas in

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Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies at a time when Kansas was like

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Speaker 1: the front tier, maybe even maybe even beyond the frontier um.

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Speaker 1: The Trail of Tears had happened by this time, so

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Speaker 1: the o Sage people who had lived there previously have

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Speaker 1: been forced off their land and moved further west to Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: and the federal government said, come anybody, all you criminals,

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Speaker 1: you unsavory characters, people escaping your past, come and settle

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Speaker 1: here in Kansas. It's like Australia but in the center

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Speaker 1: of the United States. That's right, Did you do bad

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Speaker 1: things back east, right, just pick up your bags and

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Speaker 1: head west. That's precisely right. And so a lot of

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Speaker 1: them stopped in Kansas. Again, this was the frontier, but

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Speaker 1: people were still going west too. So um, as we'll

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Speaker 1: find out this this family, the Bender family kind of

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Speaker 1: they they set up a tavern in for people to

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Speaker 1: but I just kind of wanted to foreshadow that there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a tavern coming in the future. That's right,

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Speaker 1: And that's probably a generous term for what they set up. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It was a pretty remote well, I guess, you know,

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Speaker 1: People called him Paw. He didn't talk a lot when

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Speaker 1: Chris get Heart. He's a comedian, he's great. But apparently

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Speaker 1: so he was kind of an odd fixture as well

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Speaker 1: as we'll find out the whole family was. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: And some people think he may have been intellectually disabled. Um,

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Speaker 1: but from the articles of the time, That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: one I think the Crime Reads article, and that was

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Speaker 1: you called it a tavern. I call it just a

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Speaker 1: And maybe they called it or Olivia, who helped us

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Speaker 1: It was not fancy at all. No, but I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: I say, we meet right now. Her name was Kate,

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Speaker 1: and she showed up after this this tavern, this house

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Speaker 1: had been built. That's right. The two ladies were sent

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Speaker 1: and Kate Kate was the daughter. She was UM in

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Speaker 1: her twenties. But I think more than anything, Um she

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Speaker 1: Some people thought she may have been the daughter. Other

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Speaker 1: So one other thing I read Chuck that Levy didn't

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Speaker 1: They sell rations at Ali's. What is allis it's like

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Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I got you. Here's an oriental rug,

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Speaker 1: Like it's just just that yeah, oh yeah. It's like

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Speaker 1: Let me see. Okay, that sounds good, okay, chuck so um.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Um made the Benders made

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Speaker 1: us call the Benders and murder families that they started

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Speaker 1: murdering people pretty shortly after they set up this homestead

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow night, just the two of you and we'll

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00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: do one. And they were like, no, thank you, right,

427
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: I think I'll take the zero in that one. Yeah,

428
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, doctor, Colonel. No. Colonel Alexander York

429
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: was a sharp dude, basically, Yeah, but the townspeople weren't

430
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: sharp enough to go. I don't know if they were

431
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: searching other places. I know there was a weather issue,

432
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: but like you said, by the time they got there,

433
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: they were Gonzo's um. They left there, they took a

434
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: train because they found their horse and wagon and even

435
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: their dog just on a public street near the train station. Uh.

436
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: And they got the heck out of Dodge, well not

437
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: out of Dodge, out of what would become Cherry Veil,

438
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: very close, very close. So the volunteers were like, well,

439
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: I guess since they left, we and just go ahead

440
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: and go on in. And apparently they found very quickly

441
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: that there was a trap door in the floor. And

442
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: when they opened the trap door I guess a lot

443
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: of them gagged because it smelled like decaying human remains.

444
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: And even though they looked in there and there weren't

445
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: actual bodies, there was so much blood and gore in

446
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: this cellar rotting that it was enough to make a

447
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: person gag even without a full body decomposing there. I

448
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: think it's a great place for our second break. Okay, great,

449
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: the height of suspense. Let's do it. We'll be back

450
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: and talk about what was making that smell right after this,

451
00:25:53,119 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: all right, So they have a stone cellar under the

452
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: house covered in blood and stinks like dead bodies, even

453
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: though there's no dead bodies. And we said we were

454
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: going to get to the bottom of the smell. The

455
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: bottom of it is, Uh, there were dead bodies in

456
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: there previously. Yeah. Yeah, So they had this pretty easy.

457
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: They had the um, the trap set up, the trap

458
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: door set up, so it led to a hole in

459
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: the cellar, and then there was a like a way

460
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: outer I guess, a way in from the foundation, and

461
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: they would kill people, put them in the trap door

462
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: through the trap door to the cellar, and then retrieved

463
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: them at night when they weren't prying eyes around. Yeah.

464
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: Pretty good system they had going. Uh. They started searching around.

465
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: They did eventually find bodies. Uh. They found William York's

466
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: body buried in the orchard. They found Lanker's body buried

467
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: along with young mary Anne who uh the two gentlemen

468
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 1: had the head wounds in the in the throat wounds.

469
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: Mary Anne, I've seen variously was either suffocated or suffocated

470
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: from being buried alive but not brained in throat slit

471
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: at least tragic either way, of course, but very very

472
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: sad case. Uh. Eventually they would go on to find

473
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: about a dozen bodies and were eventually implicated in as

474
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: many as twenty one murders. Yeah, Um they found it. Yeah,

475
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: it saw eleven I think, including um Mary Anne. Um.

476
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: A bunch of them were in the orchard. They looked

477
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: around the property and realized that there were a bunch

478
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: of depressions in the orchard. And they're like, I wonder

479
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: if those are graves, and Um, they turned up people

480
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: in the graves. They found somebody in the well, and

481
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: then yeah, when you add them together with all the

482
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: people dumped in Drum Creek, I guess it comes to

483
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: about one. And they developed this theory of what had happened,

484
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: in part based on some people who had narrowly escaped

485
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: with their lives and hadn't realized it until after the

486
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: benders um became national news. But that that curtain that

487
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: they had dividing the tavern, the olive's bargain bin from

488
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: the rest of the house, Um was right behind the

489
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: seat where they would have travelers and guests sit when

490
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: they were eating a meal, right, Yeah, And they would

491
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: have them sit there and you know, from the other

492
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: side it would you know, they would be silhouetted, silhouetted

493
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: by the candle light so they could see clearly where

494
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: they were, and then Paw or John Jr. Would either

495
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: use like the butt of an axe or a hammer

496
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: to brain them. Uh. They would put them in the

497
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: cellar and rob them and then slit their throat. And uh.

498
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: That's how it was sort of a I don't know

499
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: the fact, like, all right, let's go ahead and tell

500
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: the stories about the other guys. Because after this came out,

501
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: people started coming forward, like you said. A guy named

502
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: Mr Wetzel said, hey, wait a minute. They tried to

503
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: get me to sit right by that curtain and I

504
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't sit by the curtain, and mob Bender got really

505
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: mad about that, and so we got the heck out

506
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: of there. Uh. And then another guy named William Pickering said, Yeah,

507
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: I didn't want to sit by that curtain because it

508
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: was dirty and gross, and I took a different seat

509
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: and they got in a big fight and Kate came

510
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: at me with a knife. So I don't know why

511
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: they just didn't come up behind the membrane them like

512
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: the Maybe they felt the curtain offered some sort of cover.

513
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: It just seems very like stubborn, like they had to

514
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: follow a procedure or else the person. Yeah, you have

515
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: to sit there. I'm like, well, you can't murder a

516
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: guy in another chair. Well, I I don't. Yeah, I

517
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: don't think it would have been as easy to come

518
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: up behind him from the from the curtain, you know

519
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Maybe it sounds a little I mean,

520
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: I guess they got away with it for a little while,

521
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: so but I don't know, it sounds a little uh amateurish, sure,

522
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: or they were such professionals they just stuck to the script.

523
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: If the scriptivated, they didn't take chances. And there's there's

524
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: actually a good suggestion of why they didn't take chances,

525
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: because there were um later discovered in the house bullet

526
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: holes um in the walls and in the door frames.

527
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: And that was taken to be from people who had

528
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: tried to fight back when they realized what was going on. Um.

529
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: But I guess they had ultimately been unsuccessful, because nobody

530
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: escaped that house saying they had shot at everyone because

531
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: they tried to brain them, you know. Or maybe it's

532
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: just supper. Yes, so pistol pistol suffer, You're right, who knows? Uh?

533
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: So the story gets out becomes you know, for the

534
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies becomes a pretty big media storm whatever that

535
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: looked like back then, and people, you know, it became

536
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: like a bit of a tourist stop. Like people. It

537
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: sounds like people essentially showed up there and kind of

538
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: looted the place. Over time, we're just kind of, you know,

539
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: breaking up pieces of the seller and breaking up the

540
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: bed frame and kind of just taking whatever they wanted with. Yeah,

541
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons it became such a media

542
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: frenzy is they were the first serial killers in America

543
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: that America ever produced, at least as far as the

544
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: media could tell um. A decade later, Austin would have

545
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: what's frequently referred to as the first serial killer in

546
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: America with the Servant Girl Annihilator, which is I don't

547
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: even know if I want to do a podcast on that. No,

548
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that name alone. It's like, that's all right,

549
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: that stopped me cold. I mean, this was ten years

550
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: before Jack the Ripper even right exactly in H. H. Holmes,

551
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: who's also often referred to as America's first serial killer,

552
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't until the um eighteen thirties or eighteen nineties,

553
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: So he was like a good twenty years on, So

554
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. So not only do we

555
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: have America's first serial killer, we had America's first dark

556
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: tourists show up at their house and take everything they

557
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: possibly could as a memento. But one of the things

558
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: that happened about this being such a huge media sensation

559
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: is that, like the country was following this and everyone

560
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: was basically looking for the vendors because don't forget, they vanished.

561
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: No one knew which way they went. All they knew

562
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: was that somewhere not too far off, they'd ridden their

563
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: wagon to that train station, and the train ticket person

564
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, those four people definitely bought tickets, but

565
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: I can't tell you where. Yeah exactly, they said, you

566
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: can tell us. I'm a doctor. Uh. They did arrest

567
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: twelve men. Um, this sounds a little bit like, hey,

568
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: we've got to kind of do something. So they arrest

569
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: these guys who they alleged maybe were involved as far

570
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: as receiving stolen goods, because they never really found a

571
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: super clear motive. I mean, it seems like a lot

572
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: of them may have had like traveling money, or like

573
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: the guy who had the two fifty bucks, which was

574
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: a lot of money at the time, um, but it

575
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: was never liked percent established, like their motive was just

576
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: to rob people. But they implicated these twelve guys, those

577
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: guys who may have up them move uh stolen items

578
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: and money and stuff like that. And apparently one of

579
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: the guys was a member of a vigilante committee who

580
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: tried to get on to help lead the investigation with

581
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Colonel York. But I was denied and rejected, and I

582
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: think that kind of hurt his feelings. And I think

583
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: what it came down to was these guys, they were

584
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: known as the regulators, these vigilantees. They were throat cutters.

585
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: They would cut people's throat instead of like bringing them

586
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: back to face trial. And then they just sort of

587
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: tied it to these people because of the throat cutting. Yeah,

588
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of pretty innocent a lot of well

589
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: a lot of innocent people died as a result. So

590
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: these people were bad dudes. But I saw that it

591
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: was more than just the throat cutting, that there was

592
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: a way that they would particularly leave bodies like you.

593
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: They would put the right hand against the right breast

594
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: and the left hand down like just by their side,

595
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: like a pledge of allegiance. Almost but you're you're like

596
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: as if you don't know which side of your chest

597
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: to put your hand in, you you've got it wrong,

598
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of like that. And apparently they found a lot

599
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: of the bodies in the orchard, um at the at

600
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: the Bender's place, posed like this basically almost like this

601
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: was this is the sign, like this is what this

602
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: gang did. So I don't think they were like in

603
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: the gang, but it's possible that gang of vigilantes were

604
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: fencing this stuff for them, and that they were at

605
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: least tangentially related. You know, sure, it's possible. Um, when

606
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: it comes down to who these people really were, we're

607
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: not exactly sure. There's been a lot of modern investigation

608
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: about who they were, and they think that Ma was

609
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: a woman named Almira meek Um and was from upstate

610
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: New York near the Adirondack Mountains, so not German at all. Um.

611
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: There were some pretty sketchy accounts, not super well researched,

612
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: that said she had been married before and that her

613
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: husband's had all met violent deaths from head wounds. So,

614
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if that's just the Internet

615
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: running with something or if that's true. Apparently, out of

616
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: all of the four, the um Ma and Kate seemed

617
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: to have actually been related, although I don't know how.

618
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: I didn't see how did you like how they were related? No? No, no,

619
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: like they were supposed to be mother and daughter. But

620
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: how did how did that ever get turned up? Like?

621
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: Where where was that? How was that ever defined? Or

622
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: I think just people doing like modern research on lineage

623
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, because they think they turned up

624
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: her original name to that Ma was married to a

625
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: man named Griffith, and that Kate was really Eliza Griffith. Uh.

626
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: John Sr. Apparently was John flicking Er uh and was

627
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: either from Germany or the Netherlands. And then John Jr.

628
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Apparently his real name was the alias that he was using.

629
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: That I said to put up in John Gerhard and

630
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: now you can take that pin out, break in half

631
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: and throw it away. So if he was using his

632
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: real name as an alias, then I'm not sure what

633
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: was going on with John Jr. No, No, he was

634
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: a jet throw type, don't forget so. Um. The there

635
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: were people who were like, oh, we've seen the vendors.

636
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Who saw the vendors here, they went this way, they

637
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: went that away. Um. For years and years and years

638
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: it was um like like people would would report on

639
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: their whereabouts, and it's uncleared to this day whether people

640
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: did or didn't know where they went. UM. I saw

641
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: there was one like kind of article I guess from

642
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: the time that was basically like, yeah, everybody knows where

643
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: they are and there's just nothing anyone can do. They

644
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: made it to another state and everybody just kind of

645
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: leaves everybody else alone out there. Other people have always

646
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: reported like, no, they have no idea where they went.

647
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: They just kind of vanished in the thin air. And

648
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: then there were reports that were usually incorrect, that they've

649
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: either been captured or that they've been killed um or.

650
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: There was one report that Pod died by suicide in

651
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan in right Another one said John Jr. And

652
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: Kate went to uh New Mexico like sort of Texas

653
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: New Mexico border and John died of a stroke. Uh.

654
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: Some people said that vigilantes got them and they burned

655
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Kate alive and shot and killed the other ones buried

656
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: him in the prairies, but no one ever claimed the

657
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: pretty substantial reward, you know, close to seventy grand today,

658
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: So it seems like none of these stories were probably true,

659
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: or maybe who knows, maybe one of them was. There's

660
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: just no way to know. So, Um, Laura Ingalls Wilder

661
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: actually had a family story that I read that her

662
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: daughter basically said, hey, you should weave this into our

663
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: family story. So it's almost certainly not true that. Um.

664
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: She and her family, on their way to homestead passed

665
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: by the Bender's tavern, but they didn't have enough money

666
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: to go in for food or to stay there. But

667
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: they settled in a close enough area that after the

668
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Benders were found out, Um, her father, there was a

669
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: knock on her family's door and her father was summoned

670
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: outside with his gun, and he didn't come back until morning.

671
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: But at any time you ever asked him about the Benders,

672
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: he would say, there they'll never be found again. Um. Again,

673
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: this isn't true. And one of the other things that

674
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: really undermines the vigilante theories again, seventy thousand and today's

675
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: dollars was offered as a reward. Somebody from that group

676
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: of vigilantes would have stepped up and taken it, or

677
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: even if they didn't, how could a group of vigilantes

678
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: keep that secret for all that time that it's still

679
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: to this day never came up, because that would be

680
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 1: something to boast about that you were among the group

681
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: of vigilantes that caught and killed the bloody benders. You know.

682
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: So I think the vigilante thing is get a book

683
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: deal at the very least for sure. Uh. These days,

684
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: I think it's the kind of thing where a lot

685
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: of Kansas Indian nights know about it. Um. You know

686
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: that there they celebrated bender Days for a while. Uh.

687
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: They had a replica at Cherry Vale at one point

688
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: of the Bendor House. UM. More recently. Uh. In fact,

689
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, a gentleman named Bob Miller,

690
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: who was as a financial advisor from Independence and a

691
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: historian and who knows maybe a bit of a murder junkie,

692
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: bought the land uh and basically said, like, Hey, the

693
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: people that own this land never did anything with it.

694
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: They never searched for the location of the murder sites

695
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: or the house, and and I want to do that.

696
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: I want to like have like professional expert investigations done

697
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: on the property. Uh. I don't know if he plans

698
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: to like put up like a Lizzie boarding house or something, um,

699
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: but he wants to get to the bottom of what

700
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: he can at least, right. Yeah, he's good. He's said

701
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to get with UK or K state.

702
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember which one to do, like ground penetrating surveys,

703
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: but I don't know what is send game as either.

704
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: But it's pretty neat that he bought it. And one

705
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he's feeling good about finding something

706
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: is there. The family that he bought it from own

707
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: the land for like the last sixty five previous years,

708
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: and they showed zero interests whatsoever in finding the actual

709
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: site and they just turned it all into crop lands.

710
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: So there's a good chance that there's something like the foundation,

711
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: maybe even that gas reseller, the well that the one

712
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: guy was found in remnants of the orchard. Who knows

713
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: there there could be plenty of stuff left there. Um,

714
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna I believe they exhumed

715
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: all of the bodies that they found, but that's not

716
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: to say that they found everybody. You know, Yeah, absolutely, Um.

717
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: There was a movie made called Bender that does not

718
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: look great. Did you see the trailer? I know I didn't,

719
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: I just saw. Olivia quoted a user from IMDb that

720
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: said it had some of the worst acting I've ever seen.

721
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: What was the trailer like, uh not? I mean, it

722
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: didn't look great. I read some other reviews that said

723
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: it was okay, but it wasn't like, uh, super murdery

724
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: or super scary, so it kind of fell too much

725
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: toward like historical drama. They talked a lot about like

726
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: raising and harvesting green. Maybe I don't know, but um,

727
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: there was a thing that uh in Red Dead Redemption

728
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: too that it is funny because I kind of forgot

729
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: about this. I played that game a couple of years ago,

730
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: and um, there's a pig farm where your character shows

731
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: up and there's a creepy old lady and a creepy

732
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: old man and they're like trying to get you to

733
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: stay for dinner. And apparently it's modeled after this, and

734
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: you don't really know, and you know, when you're in

735
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: those games, you don't know quite what to do, Like

736
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I should leave. It's kind of like

737
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: real life. But they offer you libations, and you need libations.

738
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: So if you just don't, all right, if you if

739
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: you want to play this game and you haven't, it's

740
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: pretty old, don't listen to this part but if you

741
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: don't care like most people, uh, don't drink the drink,

742
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: because as soon as you drink the drink, the screen

743
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: goes woozy and you wake up the next day. And

744
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that good things happened overnight. Okay, but

745
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: you're not dead. Huh, you're not dead. That's not very

746
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: bend Ery, now, it's not. I think they were inspired

747
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: by the Benders a little bit, but I don't know supposedly. Also, um,

748
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: i've never read American Gods, the Neil game and book.

749
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: Have you? Have you read any of his stuff? Never have.

750
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: I've read some of the short stories and they're amazing,

751
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: so I'm surprised I've never read his novels. But in

752
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: American Gods, um, one of the characters is a Slavic

753
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: god named Zernborg, so I'm going with And every time

754
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: the Benders killed somebody, he gained strength from their sacrifice,

755
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: which is a pretty neat little take on the whole thing,

756
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, because we're so like we have the blinders

757
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: on here on Earth, we don't even realize this murder

758
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: family is actually contributing to the well being of a

759
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: Slavic god. I thought you were gonna say whenever they

760
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: killed someone, they would yell zoomberg. Right, Well they did

761
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: that too, but um, that was never captured in the

762
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: articles from the time, Chuck. Which, by the way, if

763
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: you're like I need to know more about the bloody Benders,

764
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: and I will not have it filtered through history. I

765
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: need the original stuff. There's a website called genealogy Trails

766
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: dot com and if you search that and Bender Family

767
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: and your favorite search engine, it will bring up the

768
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: crime related news articles from the time about the Bender family.

769
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: And it's awesome because it has a bunch of other details.

770
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: But also it's got like the old timey nineteenth century,

771
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, crime reporting to It's just worth reading, for sure.

772
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: It's always fun. Do you anything else about the Benders?

773
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Nothing else? Well, let's say about the Benders for now, everybody.

774
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: And since Chuck said nothing else, that means it's time

775
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: for a listener. Man. Hey, guys, stumbled across you in

776
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: the summer when I was employed as a USPS role

777
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: carrier associate. Uh not a rural juror wait wait, no,

778
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: I need to know what was that. I can't remember

779
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: what this is from thirty Rock. I still can't place it,

780
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: but I'll think about it and I'll say eureka later. Okay, Well,

781
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: what's funny is after we talked a little bit about

782
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: thirty Rock on our Sitcoms episode and Emily went out

783
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: of town for a week and I barreled through season

784
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: one of thirty Rock while she was gone, and it

785
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: was so good. Yeah, it was really do it again.

786
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: What a show. God, Alec Baldwin and Tracy Morgan. Yeah,

787
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: and don't forget Liz Lemon. She was great, but uh boy,

788
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: Baldwin and Tracy Morgan just slay me on the show.

789
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: I mean everyone on that show was really funny. Yeah.

790
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Tracy Morgan's best quote was somebody offered him cash whose

791
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm glad you said that because I

792
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: thought it was a bowl of baby penises. His other

793
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: a good one that I got was he's talking about

794
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: how they go together like peanut butter, and he said,

795
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: or like chicken and the chicken container. That's pretty good.

796
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: So Rural Juror though, was the movie that Jane Krakowski

797
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: was in, and the joke is she goes ru Dur

798
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: and like no one knows what the title of the

799
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: movie he is, but it had gone so long they

800
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: couldn't really ask her what the name of the movie was.

801
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna keep watching it. She's so funny too, however,

802
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: all right back to the email. I've heard a podcast before,

803
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: but never gave a much thought until a friend insisted.

804
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: I started to listen to some and they got to

805
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: the point of Stuff you Should Know, where I talked

806
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: to some much about y'all. My husband finally came and said,

807
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: who the Hecker, Josh and Chuck, and when you're going

808
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: to introduce me to your new friends? But now the

809
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: show was our go to for family road trips. One

810
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: neat thing I wanted to write about, though, was my

811
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: last dental appointment in February. I decided to bring along

812
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: earbuds so I could listen to y'all while getting some

813
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: feelings done. Asked a dentist and the assistant if it

814
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: would be okay to listen to the podcast while they work,

815
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: and the dentist said it was okay, but asked me

816
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: what I was gonna listen to first. I told her

817
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: it was Stuff you Should Know and how much I

818
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. And I was listening to the chow Chilla

819
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: Bus kidnapping episode. My dentist lit up and told me

820
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: how awesome that episode was. Her assistant had never heard

821
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: of the show, but the dentist was happily talking about

822
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: your show, Uh so much that my entire visit I

823
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: didn't get to listen to the episode because I was

824
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: half chatting to my dentist about stuff. You should know.

825
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you for saving me while I was

826
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: delivering people's mail, and for keeping company during my commutes

827
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: with love from the Land of ten Thousand Lakes. That

828
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: is Tanya Vanderpool from Texas. Ten dousan mikes, Texas has

829
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: like two lates. What is that Minnesota, Minnesota? Yeah, right,

830
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: thousand Lakes. Yeah, it's gotta be Michigan. No, Minnesota. Yeah,

831
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: it's Minnesota for sure. She really didn't say, you're not

832
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: toying with me. I don't know. I mean, I'm saying

833
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm not toying with you, but I'm also on the

834
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: verge of saying so many things that are wrong about

835
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: lakes and states that I'm just stopping. That's fine, that's fine,

836
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: but can you imagine the audacity of just signing off

837
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: with the Land of ten Thousand Lakes? And not putting

838
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: in parentheses. What state you're talking about? I mean, I

839
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: like all my emails, Chuck of the Peach State. Okay,

840
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: well that is pretty audacious, Chuck, it's violently unusual. Um,

841
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: what was the person's name again? Minnesota? You're in fine

842
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: form today, aren't you. You're being playful. I'm kidding. It

843
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: was Tanya Vanderpool. Okay, thanks a lot, Tanya. We appreciate that,

844
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: and we're glad we can keep your company and that

845
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: we made your dentist's appointment so special. If you want

846
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: to get in touch with us like Tanya did and

847
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: tell us about your dental visits, why not, You can

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