1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky Listener. Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: In May of Adam Burry and I were leading groups 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: of people through an investigation in the solitary confinement wing 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: of Ohio State Reformatory. Every hour, another group of fifteen 6 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: or so nervously excited folks would file into the pitch 7 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: black space, and Adam and I would lead them through 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: a paranormal investigation. During this though, we tried an experiment 9 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: we'd never done before before we did anything investigation wise. 10 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: We would ask each person to individually walk down the 11 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: long corridor of fifteen or so cells, with only the 12 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: moonlight coming in a few barred windows to light their way. 13 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: In complete silence. We would watch them, one by one 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: slowly make their way back and forth. Each time it 15 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: felt like an eternity. Each time we all held our 16 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: breath for them, and each time they would meet Adam 17 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: in the far corner and whisper which cell made them 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: the most uncomfortable walking by it All in all, close 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: to one people made that walk that night, and all 20 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: but two named the exact same cell. Let's visit Ohio 21 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: State Reformatory where the hauntings began before it was ever 22 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: even built. I'm Amy Brunei, and this is haunted road. 23 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: Ohio State Reformatory seemed deston to be haunted. Even the 24 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: land it was built on had seen plenty of casualties 25 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: immediately prior to the construction of the Reformatory, The field 26 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: upon which it would later be built was used as 27 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: a training camp for soldiers during the Civil War. At 28 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: the outbreak of the Civil War in eighteen sixty one, 29 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: many northern areas, like Ohio quickly scrambled to gather and 30 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: organize what was left of the various militias that had 31 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: at one time existed and to induct them into the 32 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: state militaries. As part of this effort, in Ohio, then 33 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: Governor William Dennison ordered the creation of several camps across 34 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: the state, one of which was named Camp Bartley after 35 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: a former governor of Ohio named Mordechai Bartley, who was 36 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: from Mansfield and was located just north of the present 37 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: day Ohio State Reformatory building. Later, the camp was referred 38 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: to in wartime documents as Camp Mansfield. Camp Mansfield was 39 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: home base for a number of local regiments, including the 40 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: thirty second O V I and fifteen V I in 41 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty one, the hundred second O V I and 42 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: I in eighteen sixty two. The camp was occupied by 43 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: other Ohio units as well when their own camps were 44 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: over full or otherwise unavailable. Many of these regiments, especially 45 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: the thirty second, would seem massive casualties in battle on 46 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: many occasions, though the grim Reaper would claim the living 47 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: before they ever got the chance to step onto a 48 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: battlefield to engage the enemy. Especially due to disease, which 49 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: killed overwhelmingly more soldiers during the war than injuries sustained 50 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: in combat. Camps such as Camp Mordechai Bartley were populated 51 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: by young soldiers who had never before been exposed to 52 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: a large variety of common contagious diseases, and were plagued 53 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: by outbreaks of smallpox, measles, chicken pox, moms, whooping cough, typhoid, 54 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: and scurvy. In October of eighteen sixty two, Camp Mansfield 55 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: also became home to a decided a different group of 56 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: people from the military trainees, political prisoners. All of the 57 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: men incarcerated at Camp Mansfield where public officials, politicians, or 58 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: newspaper publishers who had defied the US government by encouraging 59 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: young men to ignore summons to war service and dodge 60 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: the military draft. By eighteen sixty seven, the war had 61 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: been concluded for a few years, and it was being 62 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: noticed and publicly talked about that in the wake of 63 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: the war, the state penitentiary was being increasingly filled with 64 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: younger men who were first time offenders, for whom there 65 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: was still hope of reforming into respectable members of society, 66 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: and a fear was developing that confining such youths in 67 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: the same company as hardened prisoners would only solidify criminal 68 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: habits in the minds of these young men and make 69 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: any such reformation impossible. Officials began discussing the need for 70 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: some kind of intermediate penitentiary which would house criminals who 71 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: were too old for the juvenile correction center, but whose 72 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: crimes were minor enough that they did not warrant being 73 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: sent to the Ohio State Penitentiary. The former site of 74 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: Camp Bartley Mansfield was floated as a possible location for 75 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: the construction of such an intermediate penitentiary. Eventually it was 76 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: selected as the site of the forthcoming institution. The buildings 77 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: that would come to make up the Reformatory were designed 78 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: by Cleveland architect Levi Scofield. While the initial process of 79 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: considering the need and planning for the construction of the 80 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Reformatory began in eighteen sixties seven, it wasn't until eighteen 81 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: eighty four that legislation in Columbus was finally passed calling 82 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: for its construction. It then took two years to convince 83 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: the State Board of Managers that Mansfield was the ideal 84 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: place for the new institution. With plans in place, the 85 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: city of Mansfield raised ten thousand dollars to buy thirty 86 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: acres on which the prison would sit. The State of 87 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: Ohio bought another hundred fifty acres connected to this land 88 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: for twenty thousand dollars. All told, between the and purchases 89 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: and the building, when the Ohio State Reformatory was finally completed, 90 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: the total cost was just over one point three million dollars. 91 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: Construction began in November of eighteen eighty six. The Ohio 92 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: State Reformatory is the largest castle like structure in Ohio. 93 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: It is one of the five largest in the United States. 94 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: It occupies more than two hundred fifty thousand square feet 95 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: with its towering stone walls and sprawling footprint. It is 96 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as having 97 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: the largest freestanding cellblock, which is the East Cellblock and 98 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: stands in impressive six stories in all. Evidently, the six 99 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: story cellblock was a later edition, having been built in 100 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: nineteen o eight. If you're a movie buff you may 101 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: have in fact seen many parts of it. The Shawshank 102 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Redemption was filmed there, as have been many other movies, 103 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: TV shows and music videos. The building was designed with 104 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: beauty and a church like aura. Schofield envisioned two a 105 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: fifty thousand square feet of massive stone that would be 106 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: a blend of several styles of architecture, Romanesque, Queen Anne 107 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: and Victorian Gothic. Construction was finally underway, and with the 108 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: first cornerstone being laid, there was much ado about the 109 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: entire event. The cornerstone itself was made of smooth gray granite, 110 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: but the rest of the building stone was quarried locally 111 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: from an area known as the Devil's Punch Bowl. Initially, 112 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the Reformatory was constructed to house eighteen hundred inmates. In 113 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: mid September eighteen, the first inmates arrived, despite the fact 114 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: that some parts of the prison were not yet complete, 115 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: one fifty young men who had until that point been 116 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: kept at the State Penitentiary in Columbus. As soon as 117 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: these prisoners arrived, they were put to work digging the 118 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: building sewer system, which had not yet been completed. The 119 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Ohio State Reformatory was developed along the lines of the 120 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Auburn system, which you may be familiar with from our 121 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: episode on the Eastern State Penitentiary. It was also called 122 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: the Silent system. One of the primary elements of the 123 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: Auburn system was that while prisoners were meant to be 124 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: kept in solitary cells at night, during the day they 125 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: worked alongside others, although were required to maintain complete silence, 126 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: unlike the Pennsylvania system, which largely kept prisoners in isolation 127 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: from one another almost the entire time. The idea was 128 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: that communication was necessary to maintain one sense of self. 129 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: By prohibiting communication, the inmate sense of self would disintegrate, 130 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: with the result that they would be much less likely 131 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: to cause problems, attempt escapes, etcetera. At one time, there 132 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: were one thousand, six hundred twenty six men and boys 133 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: who were students at the reformatory, and they were trained 134 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: by sixteen teachers, learning subjects such as math, reading, English, economy, history, 135 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: and geography. As mentioned, the prisoners learned and practiced various traits, 136 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: much of which can tributed directly back to the sustaining 137 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: of the prison. In addition to being responsible for much 138 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: of the construction of the reformatory itself, inmates also did 139 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: farm work, eventually growing and raising most of their own food. 140 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: They made clothing, they worked in a modern in house 141 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: print shop, and even made furniture. The furniture factory was 142 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: opened in nineteen twelve under the supervision of H. O. Hansen, 143 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: and produced high quality items that were well known for 144 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: their beautiful handiwork and finishes. It was recorded in nineteen 145 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: thirty one that eighteen thousand pieces of furniture were sold, 146 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: with one hundred fifty inmates employed. At that time. The 147 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: prison also had a machine shop, shoe factory, and other 148 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: trade facilities on site in which the inmates worked. The 149 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: shoe factory made shoes of various types for men, women, 150 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: and children. In nineteen thirty three, there were eleven thousand, 151 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: seven hundred forty eight pairs of women's and girls shoes made, 152 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand, three hundred sixty five pair of 153 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: men in boys shoes sold. Styles ranged from oxfords to 154 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: high heels for women and waterproof men's boots. The grounds 155 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: also had an in house fire department and lumber kiln, 156 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: chapel and gymnasium, hospital, library, barbershop, power plant, and other facilities. 157 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: The hospital was a ninety bed facility that employed a 158 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: full staff of doctors, nurses, and other personnel. The hospital 159 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: stood three stories high and extended off the east cell 160 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: block in a northward direction. On the third floor, there 161 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: was a medical ward, private rooms, baths, a linen area, 162 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: and a room for highly contagious patients. The reformatory has 163 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: its own cemetery located on the grounds. There are over 164 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: two hundred headstones that were placed as inmates died of old, age, disease, 165 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: or illness. Inmates burried there also include those who died 166 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: of natural causes, but also quite a few murder victims 167 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: and others who ended their own lives. These are the 168 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: graves of folks whose bodies went unclaimed by their families. 169 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Graves in the cemetery are marked with the inmate number 170 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: for each grave, but no names. For the first half 171 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: century of its operation, the Reformatory kept to its vision 172 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: of primarily serving moderate criminals and intending to reform them. 173 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: For many years, it was touted as one of the 174 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: best institutions of its sort in the United States. Over time, however, 175 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: things began to change. By the early nineteen thirties, overcrowding 176 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: had become a serious problem at the Reformatory, and it 177 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: became progressively worse. Deteriorating conditions peaked in nineteen seventy eight, 178 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: when a coalition of churches and civic groups filed a 179 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: lawsuit on behalf of the inmates. The Council for Human 180 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: Dignity claimed that the prisoners constitutional rights were being violated. 181 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: There were two thousand, two hundred inmates boarded in nineteen 182 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: seventy eight in a facility that was meant to house 183 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: twelve hundred. The lawsuit charged that there were brutalizing and 184 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: inhumane conditions in three The lawsuit was resolved by prison 185 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: officials promising to make improvements and ultimately to close the 186 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: cell blocks by the end of nineteen eighty six. This 187 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: deadline was eventually extended. In nineteen eight seven. The building 188 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: was listed on the National Register of Historic Places. In 189 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: December nineteen ninety, the last staff and inmates moved to 190 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: the Mansfield Correctional Institute. All in all and estimated one 191 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: hundred fifty five thousand men and boys passed through its gates, 192 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: serving time for their crimes committed. As noted, more than 193 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: two people died at the reformatory during its ninety four 194 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: years and operations. Deaths occurred due to several causes. As 195 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: with just about any institution in which a significant number 196 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: of people live in close quarters, and especially one prior 197 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: to many of the significant medical advances of the last 198 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: half of the twentieth century, widespread illness and resultant death 199 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: was a constant threat. The most serious of such threats was, 200 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: perhaps unsurprisingly, tuberculosis. TB is highly contagious. Like the common cold, 201 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: it spreads through the air. When people sneeze, cough, talk, 202 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: or spit, they propel t B germs into the air. 203 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: A person needs only to inhale a small number of 204 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: these to become infected with the dreadful condition. I feel 205 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: like we're all very familiar with respiratory diseases. After the 206 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: last couple of years, inmates of the Ohio State reformatory 207 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: may not have noticed any symptoms of illness until the 208 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: disease was quite advanced. Even then, the symptoms loss of weight, fever, 209 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: loss of energy, poor appetite, a productive cough, and night 210 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: sweats might easily be blamed on another disease. Several inmates 211 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: at the reformatory took their own lives. The first, or 212 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: at least the first reported happened in mid May nine. 213 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: Nineteen year old Marshall Miller tore his bedsheet into strips 214 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: and with those hanged himself from the upper bunk of 215 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: his cell. In nineteen sixteen, a local newspaper reported brooding 216 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: over his incarsory in the Ohio State Reformatory for having 217 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: shot his sweetheart following a quarrel. Anthony mcculick, a Hungarian inmate, 218 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: attempted suicide shortly before noon by jumping from the top 219 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: range of cells in the West cell Block, a distance 220 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: of more than sixty feet to the cement floor below. 221 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: He landed feet foremost was such force that the ankle 222 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: bones were driven through his feet and through his shoes. 223 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: There is no chance of his recovery, According to the 224 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: attending physicians at the reformatory hospital in May nineteen seventy four, 225 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: an inmate at the Reformatory, twenty four year old Harold Sykes, 226 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: who had been sentenced in November nineteen seventy three to 227 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: ten to twenty five years at the institution for robbery, 228 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: killed himself by hanging himself from a towel rack with 229 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: a twisted sheet. The most famous of these, however, occurred 230 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: on January thirtieth, nineteen sixty. That evening, twenty two year 231 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: old James Lockhart, inmate five four six seventy three, who 232 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: in habited cell number thirteen and who had been at 233 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: the reformatory since October nineteen fifty five for assault with 234 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: the intent to kill, told the guards at supper time 235 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: but he did not want to go to dinner as such. 236 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: While the rest of the inmates headed to the mess hall, 237 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: Lockhart remained in his cell. Lockhart doused himself and the 238 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: mattress in his cell was some kind of lighter fluid, 239 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: and set himself ablaze. Two guards at some point rushed 240 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: in to try to put the fire out, and got 241 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: badly burned in the process, but Lockhart ran to the 242 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: far corner of his cell and put the burning mattress 243 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: between him and the cell door blocking anyone from getting 244 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: to him. The coroner declared that technically Lockhart died from asphyxiation, 245 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: but his body was obviously horribly burned as well. According 246 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: to another inmate, and this is really awful, his body 247 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: peeled off in chunks as they pulled him along the 248 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: catwalk to the infirmary. According to a former guard who 249 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: saw the suicide firsthand, the body was unclaimed by his family, 250 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: so it was put in a simple wooden box and 251 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: buried in the prison cemetery. Clearly, with history like this, 252 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: it's no wonder the Reformatory is reported to be very, 253 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: very haunted. According to some sources, the paranormal character of 254 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: the area upon which the Reformatory would later be built 255 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to the period during its 256 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: tenure as a Civil War camp. Supposedly, Camp Bartley had 257 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: only been open for business for a couple of months 258 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: in the late spring of eighteen sixty one, when a 259 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: soldier began complaining of terrifying visits from unearthly spirits. These 260 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: visitations left the soldiers so horrified that he was deemed 261 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: unfit for duty and sent to an asylum to recover. Also, supposedly. 262 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: Other military trainees and officials began noticing around this time 263 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: that items would sometimes go missing or be moved without explanation, 264 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: and the ammunition tests would fail when performed in a 265 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: particular part of the camp. Not long after, it was 266 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: common for all based at Camp Mordecai to report hearing 267 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: whispers and muffled voices where there should only be silent 268 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: In the northeastern corner of the training ground. Recruits even 269 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: reported hearing voices that would emanate from the ground, causing 270 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: them to question their sanity. Many of the haunting stories, though, 271 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: have to do with the reformatory itself. The reformatory sees 272 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand visitors a year, and reports of 273 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: activity are rampant both during daytime tours and evening ghost tours. 274 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: Visitors often report rocks being thrown at them being scratched, 275 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: loud voices including screams, cell doors slamming shut, footsteps, more 276 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: shadow figures than you can imagine, and lots of full 277 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: bodied apparitions. It is not uncommon for visitors to see 278 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: themselves out, never to return. Many former and current law 279 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: enforcement officials are associated with the maintenance of the building 280 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: or come to visit for historical reasons, and they seem 281 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: to get more of a response than others. But don't 282 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: take my word for it. I've got my friend Greg Faketic, 283 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: lead paranormal investigator at the Reformatory and retired police officer, 284 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: coming up next to tell us all about the most 285 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: common paranormal reports at the building and how even you 286 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: can visit and experience it for yourself if you're brave enough. 287 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: All right, So I am now joined by Greg Faketick, 288 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: who is the co founder of try Sea ghost Hunters, 289 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: and he is also the lead paranormal investigator at Ohio 290 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: State Reformatory, so basically the perfect person to talk to 291 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: about this stuff. So Hi Greg, Hi Amy, how are you. 292 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Thanks for joining us. Now. I've 293 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: met Greg over the years because I've been back to 294 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the Reformatory I don't know, at least two or three 295 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: times at this point, and I've had some pretty wild 296 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: experiences there. Now, where is it that you always stick 297 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: me for those investigations? We put you down in solitary 298 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: confined it that's right, that's right. I knew I was 299 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: somewhere underneath, surrounded by darkness, that's what I remember. Yeah. So, actually, 300 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: last time I was there, I did a really interesting experiment. 301 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: Adam was stationed with me as well, and so there's 302 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: this whole row of cells that go down this very 303 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: dark hallway, obviously, and every single group that came in, 304 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: we would have each person walk up and down the 305 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: cell block by themselves, which alone is actually quite terrifying, 306 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: and then we would have them come back and secretly 307 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: whisper into Adam's ear which cell was the most uncomfortable 308 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: for them when they walked past it. So we did this. 309 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: We I think we had four groups of maybe fifteen people, 310 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: and I tell you what, but then at the end 311 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: we would figure out which cell it was. And the 312 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: first group, every single person picked the same cell. And 313 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with it, but it's 314 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: like you go down this kind of corrid or there's 315 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: like a almost a doorway kind of in between the 316 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: cord or if that makes sense. It was always just 317 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: past that doorway that cell on the left, and then 318 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: it happened again. Second, third, fourth group. There were maybe 319 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: a couple of people who named the very end as 320 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: the scariest moment for them, but it was so strange 321 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: that every single person felt that same uncomfortable, heavy feeling 322 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: going by the exact same cell. And so that was 323 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: an interesting experience. So what is with that area? You 324 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: know that that's that's funny that you say that, because 325 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: my wife Cathy is attracted to that cell. She's been 326 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: in that cell doing e VP sessions and she's gotten 327 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: some weird stuff. We like using the iPhone voice memo 328 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: because you can see the graph, so you can basically 329 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: see e vps or whatever is going on. So she 330 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 1: sits in there and she has her recorder going and 331 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the graph is going crazy when 332 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: she's not saying anything. You know that she stops and 333 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: she plays it back and she there's a whole bunch 334 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: of movement, like there's guys in there with her. It's 335 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: really interesting that that she captures that, and it's really 336 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: interesting that a lot of people, including the groups that 337 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: were with you, were attracted to that cell. Yeah, you know, 338 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: I like to do kind of those experiments where there's 339 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: no room for confirmation bias or anything like that, Like 340 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: we had no knowledge of you guys investigating in that 341 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: cell or anything prior. So I just like to tell 342 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: investigators to go by your feeling a lot, you know, 343 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: because that's just our animal instinct is if there's something 344 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: not right, you know, the hair goes up on the 345 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: back of your neck and you get that feeling like 346 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: you should be extra cautious. And I think we sense 347 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: that if there is some sort of energy around. So 348 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't know who's in that cell, but I know 349 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm directly on the other side. I had another experience 350 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: where I was walking back and forth and I was 351 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: coming back from something, and there was just a man, 352 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: like a full figure of a man, standing in the 353 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: middle of the corridor, and I couldn't even tell if 354 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: he was real or not. I was like, is that 355 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: one of our attendees? Like who is this person? And 356 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: so I watched by I had the creepiest feeling, and 357 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: I turned around and he's gone. And then again I 358 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: heard people saw this shadow figure down there a lot. 359 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: So is that something else you've heard in that area? Oh? Yeah, 360 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: people see shadow figures, big dark shadow figures down there. 361 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: In fact, I've been investigating over thirty years and I've 362 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: rarely seen an apparition. But one of the apparitions I 363 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: have seen was down in solitary confinement, and that was 364 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: just last month. I had a private investigation that night 365 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: and I was given the guests a tour and were 366 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: walking by those metal cells, those isolation cells, and as 367 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: I look into one, I swore there was somebody standing 368 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: in there, and it's like one of those things where 369 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: I jumped back. I was like, oh wow, you know. 370 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: But the guests that was right behind me, she saw 371 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: it too and she started crying, so she validated what 372 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: I thought I saw. So that it's getting it seems 373 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: like it's getting more active. But you know, there have 374 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: been a few documented murders down there. Yeah, there's a 375 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: lot of energy, oh for sure. For sure outside of 376 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: solitary confinement. What do you think is the most active 377 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: area in the place. I have two locations, the whole 378 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: third floor in the administration portion, which is kind of 379 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: weird because it was administration remains weren't really there, but 380 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: they're probably wandering around. And the West Attic. I don't 381 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: think I've been to either of those. The West Attic 382 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: is hands down the most active location there. What happens 383 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: up there, oh man, you get we get stuff thrown 384 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: at us. You'll hear footsteps, you'll be touched. You'll see 385 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: visible balls of light up there. You can see shadow 386 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: figures in the doorway, ambient light coming in from the 387 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: chapel area. People have been attacked up there. It's just 388 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 1: a really really intense feeling. I've I've had experiences up 389 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: there that I can't explain. You know, I've been touched. 390 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: But it's really dark up there, and sometimes you can 391 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: feel an ice coldness walking around you. And one time, 392 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: this is weird because it's already dark and you can't 393 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: see your hand in front of your face, but it 394 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: just got darker. It was like somebody just put something 395 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: over my eyes and like closing my eyes really tight. 396 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: And I've never experienced the darker than dark. That was 397 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of crazy. A lot of people have a lot 398 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: of different experiences up there. We had some police officers 399 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: up there in uniform after our Blood prison our Hunted 400 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: House attraction, and they actually had stuff being thrown at them. 401 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: They actually had marks on their uniforms where they were 402 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: being hit. Jeez. I mean, I guess they probably wouldn't 403 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: be very popular in there. You no, no, uh, you 404 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: know seeing the uniforms. Yeah, But now I'm a retired 405 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: police officer, and I've never had a problem up there 406 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: or anywhere in the prison where I've been like attacked. 407 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: I've been touched, I've had my keys polled, But you know, 408 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: I talked with the guys. I showed them respect because 409 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm there all the time and I don't want any problems. Yeah, 410 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: but you know, I always feel like it's interesting how 411 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: I meet a lot of either law enforcement or retired 412 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: law enforcement. I meet a lot of them involved in 413 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: paranormal investigation and a lot of them involved in places 414 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: like the Reformatory, like you know, like even like Missouri 415 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: State Penitentiary and stuff. I find that they do really 416 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: actively either like to investigate or just also just kind 417 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: of historically try to maintain a place like that. Is 418 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: that why you got involved with the Reformatory? You know 419 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: what it could be. I mean, we've been a police officer, 420 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: you know, we like investigating. We like trying to a 421 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: piece together facts to solve a crime. So it's almost 422 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, you're trying to investigate, You're 423 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on here, what's causing this. 424 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: So I think they go hand in hand. But there's 425 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: something about the building. But The first time I investigated 426 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: there was two thousand and four, and the building just 427 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: like it just reached out to me and grabbed me. 428 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: That first night, I said I want to work here, 429 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: and when I retired, I started volunteering at the Reformatory. 430 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: There's just something about the building. You know, you're not 431 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: the first person to say something like that to me 432 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: about these haunted locations. They do kind of take on 433 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: a life of their own, and there is something oddly 434 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: comforting about them. I don't know how to describe it, 435 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel that from the Reformatory, and 436 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: I don't know too Like I I think I also 437 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: really enjoy just kind of the family atmosphere, like you 438 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: and your team. You're also devoted to what you do, 439 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: and everybody knows each other so well and like always 440 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: so helpful, really great with questions, and so that might 441 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: be part of it too, But I always feel very 442 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: at home there. Strangely enough. Well, that's a good thing. 443 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: That's a good thing. The spirits that are there, you know, 444 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: they're not all bad. They're not all bad. We've had 445 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: some really helpful ones when we get e vps where 446 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: they will actually help you m M. But you know, 447 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: you get some bad ones up there, but yeah, it's 448 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: it's like a family atmosphere, the volunteers, the staff members, 449 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: it's like our home. Oh absolutely. And I'd say that 450 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: to people a lot when they go in and investigate 451 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: a place like that, like, don't make a blanket judgment 452 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: as far as who you're talking. I mean, I've said 453 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: that on the podcast before. I also tell that when 454 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm leading groups in there, I say, hey, you don't 455 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: know why someone is here, how they ended up here, 456 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: what was going on in their life like that. You 457 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: can't make judgments on someone just because they ended up 458 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: in a place like this. And I think that's really 459 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: helpful in investigating locations like the reformatory has that is 460 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: that kind of a philosophy you share as well? Yeah, 461 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: because you know what, there were probably a lot of 462 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: innocent people that were incarcerated there. So yeah, I mean 463 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: you don't know people's back stories or anything, just like 464 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: you know the living. I mean, we don't know what 465 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: these people are going through or what has happened to 466 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: them in their lives. So and I know a lot 467 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: of people are judgmental, but unless you know that person 468 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: or know what's going on, in their life. You know, 469 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: it's you shouldn't be judging. And these guys they're they're 470 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: serving their time. They committed crimes and their serving their time. 471 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, there they lost their freedom. Yeah. I sometimes 472 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: wonder if they remain in places like that as kind 473 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: of a self imposed sentence, or if it's kind of 474 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: that whole idea that they just they didn't know anything else. 475 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: They were there for so long and they're afraid to 476 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: move on to whatever happens next. I will say that 477 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: the second aghost starts throwing things at me, that I 478 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: might get a little nasty. You're not allowed to throw 479 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: things right, right, and that's you know. Or when we're 480 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: up in the attic, it's like, do not throw things 481 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: at us. Yeah, it's boundaries. Yeah, we always tell them that. 482 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: In fact, I was up there last night and it's like, 483 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: you can throw things, just don't throw things at us. 484 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to throw a rock or 485 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: something down at the end of the attic, that's fine. 486 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Just don't throw anything at us. Yeah, I mean that's fair. 487 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: I would say that's fair. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I 488 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: mean I'm treating you guys with respect. And I tell 489 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: everybody treat them with respect, especially up here because there 490 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: were a lot of a lot of violent inmates up there. Yeah, 491 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have I don't know that I've been up there. 492 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go check that area out next 493 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: time I have to put you up there. Okay, well 494 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: let's see. Well we'll talk about that later. So okay, 495 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: So now as far as um people who visit, like, 496 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: I know, you run obviously a lot of private investigations 497 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: there and in events, and there's also just tours. Do 498 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: you ever have people come through who are just have 499 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: to leave like they've had like they just have an 500 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: experience and they are done. Oh oh yeah, oh yeah 501 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: that that that happens. It happens on the private haunts, 502 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: that happens on the public houns, even happened like during 503 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: the day tours. Yeah, I feel like those would be 504 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: the ones more apt to that because I feel like 505 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: they're probably taking the tour not really thinking about ghosts, 506 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: just really wanting to learn history, and then if something 507 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: happens in that instance, they'd probably be more you know, 508 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: likely to vacate the premises pretty quickly. Are there any 509 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: more memorable instances of that you can think of Well, 510 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't work day tours, so I'm there 511 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: at night much I love. I do know of one 512 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: incidents where a woman was taken photos. She wasn't investigating. 513 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: She was taking photos and she was up on the 514 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: third floor in the administration portion and took a couple 515 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: of photos. One of the photos freaked her out, um, 516 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: and she immediately found a staff member who then took 517 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: photos of her camera and sent them to me. I 518 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: don't know if she actually left, but it did freak 519 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: her out, and she wasn't there investigating. She was est there, 520 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, the day tours. Now, speaking of that, have 521 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: you heard accounts of paranormal activity happening there while it 522 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 1: was in operation? Yes? Yes. In fact, I was talking 523 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: with a former guard last night and he was a 524 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: guard there from nine to closed in and oh yeah, 525 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: he had experiences there, and he was telling me about 526 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: other staff members who had experiences there that they couldn't explain. Yeah, 527 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: that's got to be tough too, because you have to, 528 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, keep a brave face on, especially in instances 529 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: like that. What are the more frequent paranormal encounters people 530 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: have when they're there? A lot of the times you 531 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: know obviously they're e vps, but it seems that lately 532 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: two people have been seeing shadow figures throughout hearing voices, 533 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: and those can be really creepy, especially if you're in 534 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: a room by yourself and you hear a voice. People 535 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: have been hearing growling too, that seems to be increasing. 536 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: And there again that's up on the third floor. I 537 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: know that when and I think we did an event 538 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: their last May. I think yours was maybe one of 539 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: my might have been my first event back after the pandemic. 540 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: I think it was actually because I remember just being like, wow, people, 541 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, and it was just it was this whole 542 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: like it was the first time back and so long. 543 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: I got emotional a few times because I love meeting 544 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: other investigators and fans of the paranormal and it's like 545 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do, and to not 546 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: be able to do it for almost two years was 547 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: very hard. Actually at that point is just a year 548 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: and a half, but it was long enough that I 549 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: felt it. I think that that too, was one of 550 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: the first times people were investigating there again. Do you 551 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: think that having this space empty for so long and 552 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: not interacting, do you think that affected the haunting in 553 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: some way. I think it did, especially in one area there. 554 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: Get up in the third floor edmin. We're actually having 555 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: people get physically attacked up there. A lot of people 556 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: were getting scratched on the back. Gee. I mean I 557 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: was up there. I was doing a tour for a 558 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: private investigation. And also the guy said, how complaining about 559 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: a burning sensation on his back. We lifted up his 560 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: shirt and there's these really you know, they almost looked 561 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: like bruises on his back. So there was a lot 562 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: of attacks up there, and that was like after the pandemic. 563 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: In fact, that most of them happened between March and 564 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: May last year. Ah yeah, that was right when you 565 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: started going back. I feel like they must have been 566 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: used to being alone for a while. Yeah. Yeah, And 567 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: we couldn't figure it out. And in fact, it's the 568 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: same area that that woman captured something weird on her camera, 569 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: So there was something going up there. I mean it's 570 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: died down now up there, we haven't really had any 571 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: tax but of course we haven't had any parent omal events. 572 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: It sounds like you need to have people sign waivers. 573 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: It's funny because when I when I'm up there of 574 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: the tours, I'm like, okay, everybody, you you did sign 575 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: your waivers right. Usually I'm afraid people are going to 576 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: fall downstairs or something, but that sounds pretty intense. The 577 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: whole scratching thing. Yeah, I always hear that that when 578 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: people have that experience of being scratched, it doesn't necessarily 579 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: feel like your traditional scratch. It often presents as kind 580 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: of either a burning sensation or an ice cold sensation. 581 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, I said, I hear that time and time again. 582 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how that works. I don't know why. 583 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people associate the idea of like scratches 584 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: with something negative or demonic, but in my experience, it's 585 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: many times something either or a person the spirit of 586 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: a person just wanting either you to leave, or sometimes 587 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: they're just really desperate to get your attention. You know. 588 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: It's almost like when you think of someone like, you know, 589 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: trying to save themselves or grab onto something, they just 590 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of get overly, you know, kind of overshoot the basket, 591 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: as they say. So it can mean, you know, a 592 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: couple of different things in conjunction with other evidence that 593 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: may present itself at the same time. I agree. I mean, 594 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: you know what we don't know what it's like on 595 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: the other side, and here we are, we got investigators 596 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: trying to communicate, right, Maybe that's they're trying to communicate back, Yeah, exactly. 597 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: You know, we don't know enough to kind of to 598 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: assume how they're going to come across. So it's hard 599 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: not to take that automatically as being something negative. But 600 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, there's been many times where I've had something 601 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: you know, physically interact like push or shove or something, 602 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: but then at the same time I'm getting e vps 603 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: that say help me or don't leave, or you know, 604 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: it's it's this kind of desperate act. I almost feel like, 605 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: well that being said, now that I'm sure everyone just 606 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: wants to line up and get in there, right, yes, 607 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: come on, come on. So I know you do a 608 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: really great conference every year, and I think I've been 609 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: the last two I believe, maybe even more than I 610 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: lose track. But it's lovely how you kind of people 611 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: can go into the Reformatory and you know, there's a 612 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: lot of vendors and people like me that you can 613 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: come up and meet, and then there's lectures all day 614 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: and then at night we get to investigate, which is cool. 615 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: So can you tell a little bit about that and 616 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: how people can get involved. Oh? Sure, we do an event. 617 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: This year's event is May twentie through the twenty second. 618 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: It's called Parasicon. This year it's called Parisicon three. It 619 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: would have been four but got canceled because of the pandemic. 620 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: But it is a paranormal and psychic convention that is 621 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: held at the House State Reformatory. Each year it gets bigger. 622 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: This year we have ninety three vendor tables with over 623 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: eighty vendors, and we do have some great celebrities. I 624 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: have Amy that will be there, and Adam will be there, 625 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: Chip Coffee will be there and a host of other celebrities. 626 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: And for our event, it costs nothing to get into 627 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: our event. You pay your admission into the House State Reformatory. 628 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: You can do yourself guided tours throughout the prison and 629 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: you can come, you know, check out the vendors, go 630 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: meet the celebrities, listening to the talks. That Saturday night, 631 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: May one, we have a celebrity ghost hunt and we 632 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: do have tickets available for that. And this year we're 633 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: doing something different for Friday night, We're doing a v 634 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: I P Meet and greet where a certain amount of 635 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: guests can mingle and hang out with the celebrities and 636 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: they'll be appetizers there. There will be a bar there, 637 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: we'll have a DJ there, so it'll just be a 638 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: relaxed feeling prior to the big event. For more information 639 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: on the paras Icon, you can go to www dot 640 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: paras Icon dot com. That's p A r A P 641 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: S Y c O N dot com. It will give 642 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: you everything that you need to know about the event. Yeah, 643 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: and if you are listening to this after the fact, 644 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: this is a yearly thing and it's raises a lot 645 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: of money for the Reformatory, and it's yeah, it's it's 646 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: a really great event. And it's like I said, we 647 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: love doing it. We love mingling. It's a lot of fun. 648 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: You know, you can go upstairs and get scratched apparently, 649 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: so that's your thing. If that's I'm really glad I 650 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: got to chat with you again, and thank you for 651 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: filling everyone in on the haunts and what to expect. 652 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: And you know, even if you can't make the event, 653 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: please go and visit the Reformatory. It's got really great history, 654 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: great tours, and you might just have a paranormal experience 655 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: of your own. Thank you so much, Greg. I appreciate 656 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: you taking the time. Thank you Amy for having me on, 657 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to seeing you and me. Like 658 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: many places we visit on Haunted Road, Ohio State Reformatory 659 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: started with the best of intentions but ended on a 660 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: very tragic note. I don't think there's enough time to 661 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: scratch the surface of all the deaths and unfortunate happenings 662 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: that took place there. But it's increasingly apparent that the 663 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: building isn't done reminding us of its history. Oddly, and 664 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: like I mentioned chatting with Greg, it doesn't have a 665 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: foreboding feeling when you enter. The history is massively important 666 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: and you can tell so by the passion of the 667 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: volunteers who run it. So it's definitely worth a visit. 668 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: And if you do go, please let them know that 669 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: I sent them your way. And also, even though I 670 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: say that it's comfortable inside, let me be clear, I 671 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't like spend the night in there alone or anything, 672 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: but like I said, I do highly recommend you visit. 673 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:58,959 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Brunei and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 674 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 1: is a production of Heart Radio and Grimm and mild 675 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted by 676 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney. Executive producers include Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and 677 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. The show is produced by rema Ill Kali 678 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: and Trevor Young. Research by Taylor Haggerdorn, Amy Bruney, and 679 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: Robin Miniter. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit 680 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 681 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: get your podcasts.