1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Coast A and Paranormal Podcast Network, where we offer you 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out employees of 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: For almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: to prove the existence of life after death. On each episode, 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: ones have survived physical death and so will we Welcome 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife Today on the show, I 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: thought we'd do kind of a grab bag of potpourri 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: of different things. I love talking about the afterlife, I 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: love talking about living life, and I do declare that 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: we live a whole different kind of life when we 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: believe in the afterlife, When we can look at a 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: happy picture of our loved one who is no longer 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: walking on this earth. But say to them, dad, mom, sis, son, 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: I know you're still with me, and you keep the 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: relationship alive, and you keep talking to them and you 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: do different things. Maybe you've been to a medium and 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: you've gotten some words that your loved one has lived on. 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: But even if you haven't, if you act as if 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: they are still around, because they are, it's only a 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: matter of time before they're able to communicate from their side. 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: When we become more present and pay attention, you start 31 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: noticing things. Has it ever happened to you that you've 32 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: seen a license plate as you drive and it might 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: have the name of your loved one. Signs are a 34 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: big one for me. Even looking at billboards, there could 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: be a message on it that is not the product 36 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: that they're advertising, but hidden meaning. So today I just 37 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: want to share a little bit of this, a little 38 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: bit of that, just to give a little bit more 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: flavors of the afterlife being real. We're going to start 40 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: out with some stories from hospice nurses. Now, hospice nurses 41 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: are the ones closest to people as they transition and 42 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: very often people look beyond the loved ones and they 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: see angels or they see relatives coming for them. So 44 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: these are some quotes and some stories from hospice workers 45 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: that I'd like to read you. I recently had a 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: young woman who was dying in her home. She was 47 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: talking to me, and then suddenly she opened her eyes, 48 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: looked at me, and asked, why is it when I 49 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: opened my eyes, all the people go away. I told 50 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: her that people were there for her and it was 51 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: okay to go with them. She very peacefully said, okay, 52 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: that's what I'll do then, and passed away about ten 53 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: minutes later. Here's another one. Although I am a nurse, 54 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: my most vivid experience with this comes from when my 55 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: mother was in the hospital. She was an end stage 56 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: cop D patient and was teetering on the edge of 57 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: full arrest. As she was going out, she looked up 58 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: past us, all of her children in the room, and said, Mom, then, oh, 59 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: look at all the flowers. They're so beautiful. Then she passed. 60 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: Here's another one. One of my grandfather's aunts was going 61 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: through cancer and my grandmother was home nursing her. My 62 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: grandmother told me every time she got to her house 63 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: she heard my aunt talking to someone. When she asked 64 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: who she was talking to, she said that she was 65 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: talking to her nephew, which would be my grandfather, and 66 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: that he always came to visit her when she was lonely. 67 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: My grandmother also said that my aunt talked to everyone 68 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: who was dead and that she had thirty minute conversations 69 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: with the dead family members. She had answered them back 70 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: like they were asking her questions. And my grandmother told 71 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: me when my great aunt passed, she sat up in 72 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: her bed, which she never does, took a deep breath, smiled, 73 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: and passed away. And another my mother described scenes with 74 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: loved ones that had passed before. She would look up 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: to the corner of the room where the ceiling and 76 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: the wall met and say things like, oh, look, they're 77 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: getting ready for a party. She told me that she 78 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: would be attending my son wedding with her brother, who 79 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: had passed before. Her mother died a month before my 80 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: son got married. Here's another. My mother was virtually blind 81 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: at the time of her death, but seemed to be 82 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: seeing something beautiful. The day before she passed, she looked 83 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: at the blank wall as if she was watching a movie, 84 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: eyes following everything. She reached towards whatever it was and 85 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: smiled and passed. And another mom had advanced Alzheimer's and 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: had not shown facial expression in a year or more. 87 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: She also spoke of my father, who had been dead 88 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: for ten years, although she had long forgotten him. But 89 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: before she passed, she said, your dad is waiting for 90 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: me to come home. I don't want to keep him waiting. 91 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: And here's another My friend lost a son at birth, 92 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: and many years later her other son died of brain 93 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: stem cancer at the age of twenty one. A few 94 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: days before he died, he told his um, this boy 95 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: says he's my brother, and he'll take me with him. 96 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: There was no one where he pointed, and by that 97 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 1: time he was blind. He talked about the boy until 98 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: the end of his life. And another Rose was a sweet, beautiful, 99 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: beloved grandmother who amazed me at how she just accepted 100 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: she was dying until the end. Her pulse was thready 101 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: and her blood pressure dropping, and it was only a 102 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: matter of time. I asked her if she needed anything, 103 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: and she looked my way and stated, you've come to 104 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: get me, haven't you. I told her no, she was 105 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: not going anywhere, for she had tests today. She smiled 106 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: sweetly and said, I'm not talking to you, sweetheart, and 107 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: I realized she was looking over my shoulder. She closed 108 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: her eyes and was never alert again. She died about 109 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: ten minutes later before I continue on with the stories, 110 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: don't you just wonder when your time comes, who will 111 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: be coming for you? You know, as we lie there, 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: I can imagine my cat Millie, who's long deceased, jumping 113 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: up on my bed, perhaps with her cat Ozzie. My 114 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: dad reaching out with a big smile, reaching for my hand. 115 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm reaching for his. My grandmother, Betsy, I called her 116 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: the great one. She I'm sure we'll be standing by 117 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: the bed too, and all hosts of people that I 118 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: don't normally think of on a daily basis. That moment 119 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: before we pass, we are greeted. We are shown this 120 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: beautiful terrain, whether it's flowers or the stars or whatever 121 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: that may be, that will make us the happiest and 122 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: bring us the most joy, And we'll have our loved 123 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: ones there reaching for us, as if there's a party 124 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: being thrown in our honor. These stories, when people smile 125 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: and they're delighted and they see into the afterlife, they're 126 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: just amazing, So we can be comforted that no one 127 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: dies alone. There's always someone to take us home in 128 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: our real home. So let's hear some more stories. A 129 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: couple of days before my mother died, she was telling 130 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: me about the angels in her room. She pointed upward 131 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: towards the areas of the ceiling and described them. Just 132 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: seconds before she died, I was sitting at her bedside 133 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: holding her hand. She had been unresponsive since the evening before. 134 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: She took her hand out of mine and held it 135 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,239 Speaker 1: upward toward where she had been pointing at the angels, 136 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: and then she quit breathing. Here's another. My father passed 137 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: away last June from mantle cell lymphoma. About two weeks 138 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: before he passed away, he was sitting on the edge 139 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: of the bed with his eyes closed and not responsive 140 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: to my mom calling his name. So she went up 141 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: to him and touched him on the shoulder and called 142 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: his name again, and then he bonded. He told my 143 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: mom that he was sitting up in the clouds, looking 144 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: out into the vast universe of blue. He could see 145 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: his feet dangling down and said it was so peaceful, 146 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: and that if my mom had not touched him, he 147 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: would have not come back. I knew then that he 148 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: was close to the end. I think God gave him 149 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: this brief glimpse of how wonderful the afterlife was going 150 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: to be. Here's another one. Lady was a ninety three 151 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: year old Alzheimer's patient and I was her home hospice 152 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: primary nurse. She had seven hired caregivers in the home 153 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: and she was non verbal for the last eighteen months 154 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: of her life. I was at her bedside. She had 155 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: no children and her husband had died many years before, 156 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: and I was at her bedside, holding her hand as 157 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: she took her last breath, even after eighteen months of 158 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: not talking. At the time of her death, she opened 159 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: her eyes and said one word, Mama, with a smile 160 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: as wide as anything I've ever seen, and then she died. 161 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: I had tears in my eyes. The hired caregiver was 162 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: standing there with her jaw on the floor. Here's another. 163 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: My mom's sister was stricken with diphtheria at the age 164 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: of three. Now this was back in the thirties, even 165 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: before my mom was born. She was extremely sick, and 166 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: my grandmother swears that one day she my grandmother saw 167 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: a beautiful little girl wearing a white dress, dancing circles 168 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: around their well outside in the yard. She says every 169 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: time she walked out on the porch, she saw this 170 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: little girl and that she was the only one that 171 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: could see her. My aunt died that night. Still gives 172 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: me chills. I think it's rare for us living people 173 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: that are not close to death to see people in 174 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: the hereafter, But it's not impossible. I've talked to mediums 175 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: who talk as if people are standing right there with them. 176 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: They can look at them head to toe and they're 177 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: seeing them in their mind's eye, but they're seeing them 178 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: almost like they're seeing other people, as opposed to just 179 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: their imagination. It's like they're really seeing them. My aunt 180 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: used to work for the airlines, and she introduced me 181 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: to her friend, George, who was a flight attendant. And 182 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: George didn't tell many people about this, because of course, 183 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: nobody wants people to think that we're crazy. But George 184 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: told me he could see people in the afterlife. He 185 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: would see maybe children playing in the room, or he'd 186 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: see someone he didn't recognize, only to look through family 187 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: photo albums and recognize the people as ancestors that had 188 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: lived before him, and once he said, the children were 189 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: playing and he thought, you know, could be his imagination, 190 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: but he said to one of the children, he said, 191 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: I can see you. And the girl looked at him, 192 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, almost as if in 193 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: a cloud of smoke, she disappeared. So it's all very 194 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: very fascinating how it works and how some people are 195 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: tapped in. And I do think when we're young we 196 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: have the ability to know things because our ego really 197 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: hasn't formed, and we don't get caught up in the 198 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: day to day things that are happening in life. We're 199 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: still living in that imagination zone. And our imagination is 200 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: how the spirit world comes through to us what we 201 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: think we're creating or actually not. So if you're interested 202 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: in really getting rid of your fear of dying, I've 203 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: had plenty of hospice nurses tell me that all you 204 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: need to do is volunteer at hospice and be by 205 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: the bedside of people that are dying. You hear and 206 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: witness over and over and over and over and over 207 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: again people seeing their loved ones coming for them who 208 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: are already dead and bringing them home will be back 209 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: in just a minute with a little bit more potpourri. 210 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 211 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 212 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming 213 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: right up. Okay, folks, we need your music. 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I'm Sandra Champlain, and as we continue on 230 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: our show with a little bit of this and a 231 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: little bit of that, I want to talk about kids 232 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: who remember heaven, kids that have memories of the life 233 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: they lead before coming here. I had once spoken to 234 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: one of my food service distributors when I was catering 235 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: for my race teams, and he kN who I had 236 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: written the book We Don't Die and said he had 237 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of a strange story. His daughter, when 238 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: she was just very very young, asked his wife why 239 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: she no longer has curly hair and wears glasses. So 240 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: this little girl had never seen a picture of her 241 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: mother from this time, but when her mom met her 242 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: dad when they first started dating, she had worn glasses 243 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: and she had permed curly hair. So the girls somehow 244 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: knew that, and I can tell you it freaked the 245 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: parents out, but it had them start thinking is there 246 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: more to life than meets the eye? So here are 247 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: some stories. Okay, here's the first one. This lady writes, 248 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: when my son was eighteen months old, we were driving 249 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: to the grocery store. He was unusually quiet for a time, 250 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: and then out of the blue spoke, Mommy, I really 251 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: missed my father. It seemed a bit odd, as he 252 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: normally called his father daddy. I responded, Daddy will be 253 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: home before we get back from the store. In a 254 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: surprisingly matter of fact way, he clarified, No, I mean 255 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: my father in heaven. I used to sit and talk 256 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: with him, and I really miss him. Here's another one 257 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: from Rammy, age eight. Before I came to Earth, my 258 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: angel blessed me. She told me I would be having 259 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: a good mother and father, and then a sister too. 260 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: She said I would do something special on Earth, but 261 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: she didn't say what it was. I felt happy and 262 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: excited to come to Earth. I felt a drop sad 263 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: to leave my heaven friends, but I knew I could 264 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: come back to Heaven in my sleep to visit. My 265 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: angel hugged me and gave me a lot of love 266 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: and told me to give the love to lots of 267 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: people to make them happy. She said that she would 268 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: stay close to me and I could pray to her 269 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: if I needed her help. All right. This is from Joanna, 270 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: aged two and a half. When Joanna was two and 271 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: a half, she spoke often of a friend named Emily, 272 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: but my wife and I had never seen Emily. Whenever 273 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: Joanna spoke of her, my wife and I questioned her 274 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: about this imaginary friend. Most of her responses were typical 275 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: for a child of her age. She said they played 276 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: and danced and sang together, things like that. We wrote 277 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: it off as a child's imaginary friend and figured it 278 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: might be her way of dealing with the upcoming addition 279 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: to our family in just a few months. Yet, some 280 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: of Joanna's responses really puzzled us. She started mentioning the 281 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: light in relation to her friend Emily. We wondered where 282 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: Joanna was coming up with this, so we tried to 283 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: question her more deeply, without putting thoughts or words into 284 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: her mouth. She made comments like Emily and I were 285 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: together before, and Emily showed me the light. As interesting 286 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: as it seemed, we still blew it off as an 287 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: amag genary friend. One day, while shopping, Joanna got very 288 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: excited and tried to stand up in the shopping cart. 289 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: She pointed across the store. Over there, there she is. 290 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: That's Emily. A family with four or five kids was 291 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: shopping about a hundred feet away. My wife and I 292 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: looked at each other and shrugged, why not. We walked 293 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: up to the family whom we've never seen before and asked, 294 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: by any chance, is one of your children named Emily. 295 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: Somewhat startled, they answered yes and pointed to their smallest child, 296 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: who was already deep in conversation with our little Joanna. 297 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: The parents seemed puzzled and asked, why do you ask. 298 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: We explained that Joanna's imaginary friend from heaven named Emily, 299 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: whom we were beginning to believe may not be imaginary 300 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: after all. Emily's parents seemed to think we were a 301 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: bit strange. Of course. Meanwhile, Joanna and Emily had shut 302 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: the rest of us out and absorbed in conversation with 303 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: each other. We could not help but feel our little 304 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: daughter had found her friend from heaven. And the story 305 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: is from Becky, aged ten. I was scared by the 306 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: thought of leaving Heaven. A woman who looked about thirty 307 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: came to my rescue. She finished her Earth life and 308 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: knew what mortality was like because she had been through it. 309 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: She reassured me that I would be okay. I had 310 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: known for a very long time in heaven, even before 311 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: she went to Earth. She was very kind to me, 312 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: and I knew she loved me. This lady angel showed 313 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: me a future scene of my earthly mother and how 314 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: proudly my father held me as a newborn. They were beaming, 315 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: proud parents. It was obvious that they loved me, even 316 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: needed me to be a part of their lives. Feeling 317 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: their love gave me courage and eased my fear of 318 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: leaving heaven. I then knew my time on earth would 319 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: be okay. Have you heard the concept that we pick 320 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: our parents? Now? I'm not sure in that. However, if 321 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: we do look at the parents, we have the good 322 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: things that we learned from them, and maybe the negative 323 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: things that we wish we hadn't learned. We can all 324 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: agree that we are who we are because of them. 325 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Even if negative things happened, we can't overcome them and 326 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: become great parents and do great things because of the 327 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: negative things that happened, and vice versa. We get a 328 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: lot of really good stuff from our good parents. So 329 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: here's another story. This is Lisa at age four. One day, 330 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: when I was about four years old, my mother sent 331 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: me to play outside so she could get some housework done. 332 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: As I played, I glanced up and looked at the 333 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: mountain ranges near our farm. It seemed that I had 334 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: seen those mountains before, but from a different perspective. As 335 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: I studied them, a vision opened up in my mind. 336 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: I saw myself with a group of boys and girls 337 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: sitting in a circle on the ground. I didn't count 338 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: the exact number, but it was about twenty five or 339 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: thirty children. I had the impression we were learning, like 340 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: in a school. Suddenly, from behind me and over my 341 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: right shoulder, I felt my name being called. I say felt, 342 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: because it wasn't a verbal sound. I just knew. I 343 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: turned and saw a rather tall, slender man standing there. 344 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: I looked at him and mentally asked, is it my 345 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: time to go? Yes? He replied. The next thing I knew. 346 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: The man and I were moving across the sky above 347 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: the mountains by our farm. He was on my right side, 348 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: and we spoke with each other as we went. Suddenly, 349 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: we stopped midflight. Looking down, I saw a farmhouse, a 350 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: barnyard with a fence, a canal behind the house, and 351 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: a small road winding down a hill. I asked, my guide, 352 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: is this where I'm going to live? Yes? Will I 353 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: be the only child? No, you will be one of 354 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: many will I be happy there if you want to be? 355 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: A snowflake fluttered across my eyes, bringing me back to 356 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: the present. I was born on that farm, and it 357 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: looked just like it had from the sky. I was 358 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: the eleventh and last child of the family. Here's another. 359 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: I was putting three year old Johnny to bed when 360 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: he asked for a bedtime story. For the past few weeks, 361 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: I had been telling him of the adventures of his 362 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: great great grandfather, a colonizer, a soldier, a community leader. 363 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: As I started telling another story, Johnny stopped me and said, no, 364 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: tell me of Grandpa Robert. I was surprised. This was 365 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: my grandpa. I had not told stories of him, and 366 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: I could not imagine where Johnny had heard his name. 367 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: He had died before I was even married. How do 368 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: you know about Grandpa Robert, I asked, Well, Mama, he 369 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: said reverently, he's the one who brought me to earth. Well. 370 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: I got goose bumps from that. Here's another. When Nan 371 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: and Dan Barker of Arizona were unable to have biological 372 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: sons and daughters, they felt blessed to adopt four children, 373 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: and they felt their family was complete. Then one day 374 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: their three year old son said, Mama, there's another little 375 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: girl who's supposed to come to our family. The mother said, 376 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: we're already so blessed to have all of you. The 377 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: boy continued, she has dark hair and dark eyes, and 378 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: she lives a long way from here. The mother asked, 379 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: how do you know this, to which the boy replied, 380 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: Jesus told me upstairs, to which the mother replied, we 381 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: don't have any upstairs. The parents, being taught by the child, 382 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: got in touch with an international adoption agency. Today, Nan 383 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: and Dan Barker have a fifth child to their family, 384 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: a little girl with dark hair and dark eyes. Here's 385 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: another I had always heard that one could learn many 386 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: things from children, but not until we had a very 387 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: precious experience with one of our own did I realize 388 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: how true this could be. When our first child, Alan 389 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: was just too his great aunt Linda passed away. I 390 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: had been worrying about how I was going to tell 391 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: Alan about death. My husband and I had taken him 392 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: to see Linda once or twice a week, so there 393 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: had to be some explanation for the termination of our visits. 394 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: Mustering all my courage, for I was new at this 395 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: sort of thing. I sat Alan on the kitchen stool 396 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: and drew up a chair. Alan, honey, I said, Aunt 397 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: Linda has gone back to our heavenly father. Before I 398 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: could say anything more, he asked who took her. I 399 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: stumbled around for an answer, and then I said it 400 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: must have been someone she knew. Immediately, his little face 401 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: lit up as if he recognized a familiar situation. He said, 402 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: with a happy smile, Oh, I know what it's like. 403 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: Grandpa Clark brought me when I came to you. He'll 404 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: probably take me back when I die. Alan, then three 405 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: years old, proceeded to describe Grandfather Clark, my father, who 406 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: had been dead nearly twelve years. Alan had never seen 407 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: a picture of him, but he told me how much 408 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: he loved his grandfather and how good his grandfather had 409 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: been to him. Alan indicated that my father had helped 410 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: teach him and prepare him to come to earth. Immediately 411 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: after this occasion, Alan's father talked to him, and Alan 412 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: repeated the same experience to him. Alan later told his 413 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: grandmother Clark about the experience. For several months, he talked 414 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: about these things as a happy, natural memory of real experience. 415 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: Then suddenly the memory was erased. And Alan did not 416 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: know what we were talking about when we discussed it. However, 417 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: he had taught us some great truths when he was 418 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: a toddler. 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Welcome back 468 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra champlain and in 469 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: this segment, I want you to hear from Jose Hernandez. 470 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: He was an engineer and he's turned artist. Why he 471 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: had a near death experience where he went from atheist 472 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: turned believer. So here's Jose. When I had my experience, 473 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: I was a true atheist, true ideas. I didn't believe 474 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: in any kind of religion. I didn't believe in anything. 475 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: I thought this was all fu fu. I am an engineer. 476 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: I was up on a bucket truck. We're running some 477 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: electrical lines. We were running late. We started to kind 478 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: of try to hurry up. We decided I'm gonna stay 479 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: up on the bucket. We're not going to go up 480 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: and down, and you just be careful with the trees 481 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: and navigate delicately. The guy that was with me, my partner, 482 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: was more worried about it electrocuting me up on top, 483 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: so he was more worried about looking up, and he 484 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: just kind of bumped into a tree. I hit the 485 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: bucket and I broke all my ribs on my right side. 486 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: I was sent to an emergency room. Of course, there 487 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: was some issues with my ribs that weren't healing properly. 488 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: I was sitting in the emergency room waiting, and I 489 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: know the nurse said here, if you need anything. Pushed 490 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: this spun and I sat on that bed and I 491 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: was really struggling to breathe. At one point I thought 492 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: about pushing in the button. Because I grew up in 493 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: the South Bronx and was supposed to be these tough men. 494 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: I said no, I could I could manage this I 495 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: could get through this, I always do. I waited about 496 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: forty five minutes, and when I finally put the button, 497 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: the nurse came in and she just looked at me 498 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: and she just hit the cold blue. That was the 499 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: beginning of my experience of dying, and I had a 500 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: series of emotions because I was suffocating, so it was 501 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: kind of slow. I'll tell you what my first emotion 502 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: was when everybody ran into the room. My first emotion 503 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: was shamed to strip me down so quickly that I 504 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: just felt shame. After I had that sense of shame, 505 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: I started to feel, you know what, if this is real, 506 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: where something's really happening here, and what's gonna go out? 507 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: What's gonna happen to my family? Because I never expected 508 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: anything like this, so you're totally unprepared, and I'm thinking 509 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: how they're going to manage. And that created a tremendous lump. 510 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: I started thinking about, God, you know what, if you 511 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: get me through this event, I will change how change 512 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: my way being. I'll be a better person. You won't 513 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: regret it. Kind of thing. I'm waiting. Nothing happened, and 514 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: then I felt a sense of anger, like I knew 515 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't real. And then I got this tremendous sense 516 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: of fear, and because I thought, when I die, there's 517 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: no way for me to go. I didn't believe in 518 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: anything that I would just be shut off like a 519 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: light bulb and just turned into nothingness. Because I became 520 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: very fearful, and I wanted so badly that has somebody 521 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: to hold my hand. And then I started thinking, well, 522 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: I can't ask for help because my father would ashamed 523 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: of me because I'm supposed to be tough. I got 524 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: to talk this out. So I stiffened and I waited 525 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: for death. I started to hear the ib and it 526 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: sounded like rain drops hitting on a tin roof, so 527 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: it was like splash, blash, blash. I looked at the wallpaper. 528 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this because my eyes were so cute 529 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: that I could see the grain in the wallpaper. And 530 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: there's a sense of wonder happening within me at the 531 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: same time as I'm no I'm dying and I'm scared. 532 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: Terrified might be a better word. And then I noticed 533 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: this shadow by the door and it just stood there. 534 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: And then I started thinking, you know what, I've had 535 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: such a hard and difficult life. Maybe it's so kay 536 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: that kind of let go. Maybe there's there's no shame 537 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: in this. I'm not quitting. I'm not giving up. I'm 538 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: just realizing that there's nothing I could do to them. 539 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: This chain of events, right, I can't stop it. I 540 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: kind of said it's okay, it's okay to die. And 541 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: the minute I said that, well thought that this shadow 542 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: just moved and it just moved around everybody in that room. 543 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: And in my mind I could see it it's hand 544 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: reaching out to me and it just touched my toe. 545 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: In the minute it touched my toe, I just felt 546 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: this tremendous sense of relief and relaxation and peace and 547 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: log and calm. And I wasn't struggling to breathe anymore. 548 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: I was in bliss. And I felt this breeze. It's 549 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: really warm breeze, just blowing. And I visualized, because I 550 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: got lone here, I'm thinking, Wow, my hair must be 551 00:34:53,560 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: blowing breeze. This is this is kind of like amazing. Yeah, 552 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: And then I felt myself kind of being lifted, lifted 553 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: until I found myself in the corner of the room 554 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: and I was observing the effort I had to cepr 555 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: tea in the group. I was there trying to save 556 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: my life, and I looked at them and I could 557 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: see it was a doctor right over me, just pumping, pumping, pumping, 558 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: and I could see there was a lot of stress 559 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: in her face. And I looked at myself and I said, 560 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: that's me, and I'm dead. But if that's me, then 561 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: who am I? This was the first thoughts that came 562 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: to me, incredibly enough, And then I just heard this 563 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: voice right next to me saying, I think of your 564 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: body as a car, and that car has like five 565 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: million miles on it and there's nothing we could do 566 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: to fix it anymore. So you know, you have to 567 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: now say good body to your body. And I thought, wow, 568 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 1: I just kind of said it was okay to die. 569 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: Now I'm standing here, because I feel like I'm standing 570 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: there right. I don't know what I look like, I 571 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: don't know what form I'm in, but I know I'm 572 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm in some form of existence. And I 573 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: looked at myself and something very strange happened. For the 574 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: first time in my life. I loved and appreciated who 575 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: I was and who I've been, and I was so 576 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: grateful for that body, that vessel for getting me the 577 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to live the life that I lived. And I 578 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: think there's something we really do. Take that one second 579 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: to say, I'm not floored. I'm the way I'm supposed 580 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: to be. Because we look, we're always looking forward to 581 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: wrong with us, We never really appreciate what we have 582 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: that's good about us. And I started to get these memories, 583 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: uh what I call every day benign things. So somebody smiling, 584 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: my little brother, me holding his hand, a kiss, simple things, 585 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, a child looking at you. Was this amazing 586 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: love in their eyes, your children, because those are things 587 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: that happened every day. Just taking in a breath of air. 588 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: How insane and how amazing that is. Right, So I 589 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: had this insane appreciation for who I had been and 590 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: who I was. And then the boy said to me, Okay, 591 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: now it's time for us to move on, and we 592 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: started walking. Now I never saw this presence, so I 593 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 1: don't know what it was. It felt feminine. And then 594 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: I could see this huge hole in the ground, like 595 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: a big black hole, and we're kind of walking right 596 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: into it. And we walked right into it. And then 597 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm falling and it was a bit 598 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: of a painful experience because I feel like something was 599 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: being ripped off, and it felt like I was falling forever. 600 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: And when I finally hit what I would call ground, 601 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: it kind of ended for a second, and then she 602 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: kind of said, I gotta keep going. And there was 603 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: another one and I went into that hole and I 604 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: fell and I kept falling, and I felt this thingous 605 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 1: ripping things off of me. When I hit the bottom, 606 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: the first thing I saw was this massive color, and 607 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: the color was just moving, and it had so much 608 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: life in it that I became instantly amazed. My expectation 609 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: when I died was that I would encounter nothing and 610 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: become lucky. Now I'm beginning to see things that were 611 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: mind body and the sen that this color was alive. 612 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: I was living, and it was moving, and it was 613 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: talking to me, and it was talking to me like 614 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: millions of voice, so it sounded like child like. But 615 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: somehow there was some kind of comprehension, comprehension happening at 616 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: a level that even there I couldn't really understand. And 617 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: then they just opened up and I saw this amazing forest. 618 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: Now I grew up in New York City, so that's 619 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: to me quite striking because I saw these mountains and 620 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: I could see this the shadow that the clouds make 621 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: on the mountain, and they were so dark and contrasting, 622 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: and I could see these while herds of animal just running. 623 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: And I found that I was kind of hovering. I 624 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: saw this amazing business and I'm looking up and I'm 625 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: seeing that my and I'm realizing that I'm flying. So 626 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: I said, oh my gosh, I'm flying. And I heard 627 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: this voice to say to me, has normal here? And 628 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: then I thought about my children, and this was the 629 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: the only aspect of when I was transitioning that was 630 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: a bit painful to me. So I said, what's gonna 631 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: happen to my kids? And that boy said to me, 632 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: don't worry. You could see them from here. And when 633 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: I heard that, that was like the most amazing thing 634 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: that I have ever heard, and I said, oh wow, 635 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: this is amazing. So it took all my fears away. 636 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: And then I just started flying, and I started moving 637 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 1: over this landscape and and and looking down and feeling, 638 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: of course I am an amazing sense of peace and 639 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: calm and tranquility that comes with it, and and this 640 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: deep sense of love there's no way to really describe it. 641 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: You've heard that probably hundred times, but it really isn't. 642 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: But I continued on my journey and I went over 643 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: the mountaintops and I can see snow on the top, 644 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, so amazed. I was really 645 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: bored more than anything. And then I looked out into 646 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: the horizon and I could see the sun. We're gonna 647 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: take a quick break, and when we come back, we'll 648 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: hear the rest of Jose Hernandez's story. You'll also get 649 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: to eaves drop on a very interesting medium demonstration that 650 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: we just had. We'll be back. You're listening to Shades 651 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast 652 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Don't go anywhere. 653 00:41:41,320 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming right up every 654 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 1: eight minutes. The American Red Cross banks help and hope 655 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: to people in need. 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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 669 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain, and we're listening to Jose hernandez story 670 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: and what he experienced while he was on the other side. 671 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: I looked down and I see this amazing cove, and 672 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: I see a beach, and I see a man in 673 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: the water, like knee deep in the water, and he's 674 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: got six children holding onto his right hand in a string, 675 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: right in a line. And one child is that Tim. 676 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: And I said, wow, that's pretty amazing. Let me go 677 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: down and see what that's all about. So I moved 678 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: down and maybe I'm about ten ft feet away and 679 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: he turns around. Ye, that was my father. It was 680 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: amazing to see him. But what was more amazing was 681 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: that me and my father had a very very hard relationship. 682 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: We used to bump heads tremendously and used to drink, 683 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: and he was quite abusive, and uh, even though I 684 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: was the seventh of eight children, I became like my 685 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: mother's protector and so we had a lot of clashes. 686 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: And I don't ever remember saying to my father and 687 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:46,280 Speaker 1: life I love or he to me. And his ways 688 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: were very easy strict, so we couldn't hug. That wasn't 689 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: what men do. It was like very He had this 690 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:59,720 Speaker 1: image of men being like empty, without a soul, without feelings. 691 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: It out, Wow, what an opportunity to say to my 692 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: father what I could never say to him in life. 693 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: And so we had this exchange that was very emotional 694 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: to me. But I understood that he loved me, and 695 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: I think you understood that I loved him. So it 696 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: kind of reunited us in a strange way. Not only 697 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: did we meet there, but from a more spiritual perspective, 698 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: we we became one. Anyway, at the oldest amazing time, 699 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: he looks at me, he says, look, you have to 700 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: go back, and I'm looking at him and I said, 701 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: I don't think so I really like it here. He's like, no, 702 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: you gotta go back, it's not your time. And I'm 703 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: looking at him like, no, I I want to stay. 704 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: And then I felt this tugging. I gave my chest, 705 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: but coming from my back, and I started being cooled 706 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: and I went back into my body. I opened my 707 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: eyes and the doctor that I was doing CPR CPR, 708 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: she kind of got surprised and she kind of lifted 709 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: her head back a little. And then I went right 710 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: back to my father and I'm in this space again, 711 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: and he's looking at me and says, no, you really 712 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: don't get it. You have to come back. And he said, look, 713 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. So we kind of 714 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: started to structure a deal in heaven and he said 715 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: to me, look, when it's your time, I promise I 716 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: will come and get you. And I looked at him 717 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,800 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, wow, what an amazing deal that is. 718 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: How could I say no? And so I septed that 719 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: and I went back. When you have your experience of dying, 720 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: you get this interconnectivity. You feel like you're connected to everything. 721 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: So that sense of oneness is really profound. When you 722 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: come back into your physical body again, you feel that 723 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: sense of separation. So there there's something about being in 724 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: body that makes us feel like we're independent of the 725 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,840 Speaker 1: rest of the world. It's really soothing, eye opening, and 726 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: it's very calming. It's a calming feeling that it permeates 727 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: through you too. Know that everything is as it should 728 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,760 Speaker 1: be in a sense right. The thing is working towards 729 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 1: a goal, and that goal is well beyond what we 730 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: may ever know, but it's still doing it. That's a 731 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: great story. We don't need to have a near death 732 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: experience to live our life differently and to believe. For 733 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: the last part today, I want to let you hear 734 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: part of our Sunday gathering. Each Sunday, my friends and 735 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: I get together and we provide a very uplifting spiritual 736 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: service for anyone who's interested Online. Part of our Sunday 737 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 1: gathering is always a demonstration of mediumship completely free, and 738 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: this medium reading by Carrie McLeod really struck me as 739 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: something I thought you needed to hear. I now do 740 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: feel I have Dad, so somebody here's Dad. Would I 741 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: don't actually feel he flew, but I do know he 742 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: had an incredible interest in aeroplanes of all kinds. I 743 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: know he would have known about old airplanes, and I 744 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: know he would I don't know if there's such a thing, 745 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: but I know there's trained spotters, but it feels like 746 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,759 Speaker 1: somebody does aeroplane spotting. Now you can go online and 747 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: you see the numbers of the plane and where it 748 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: is in the air. I feel like Dad has a 749 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,280 Speaker 1: keen interest and would have aeroplanes spotted. Great. We actually 750 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: have two ladies with their hands raised then if that's 751 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: the case, and one of the two ladies must have 752 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: been on the app and saw the aeroplanes flying about 753 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: because I know what I'm looking at, because I know 754 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: that we have used that now that there's planes in 755 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,280 Speaker 1: the air. Again, thank you very much. We have Katie 756 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: with her hand raised. Katie, can you press your own 757 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 1: mute button on your side? Hi Katie, Hi, welcome, Hi Katie. 758 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: See you understand everything that I've said so far? Yeah, okay, 759 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: And you must have been looking at the app and 760 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: watching planes overhead. Yeah that's right, okay. But your dad 761 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: must have been a very keen aeroplane spot Yeah. We 762 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,280 Speaker 1: used to go airplane spotting all the time. I've never 763 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: heard of it, but I know what he's showing me, 764 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,760 Speaker 1: and he must have logged the aeroplane numbers as well. 765 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah he did, and he would be able to tell 766 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: the people what plane moved from, say British Airways too 767 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: easy Jet to Ryan Air. He'd be able to track 768 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: their plane. How fascinating. Wow. And I know your dad 769 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,839 Speaker 1: would have also known about the capacity of the planes. Um. 770 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: And I know that your dad hasn't been too long 771 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: in the spirit world though, Katie. Um, now, yeah, it's 772 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 1: been quite a long time. Okay. Then I have to 773 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: say there must have been a conversation with you and 774 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: the people around about you that your dad has overheard, 775 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: because he's speaking about the Malaysian airline that went down 776 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: and disappeared. Yeah, I was speaking to my family yesterday 777 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: about him. Um, that might be why, Okay, because I 778 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: know your dad is fascinated about how a plane just 779 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: goes missing. There must have been conversations where he spoke 780 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: to the family on you about the Bermuda Triangle, how 781 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: planes would go in and not come out. Yeah, he did, 782 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: and I went and saw it. Actually, so because I 783 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: know he takes me to that area. His mind is 784 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,320 Speaker 1: so pinpoint if you wanted to know something. He loved everything, 785 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: and I know your dad's mind would be very interested 786 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: in in understanding how things went. Your dad also understand 787 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: stood how the engines of air planes worked too, m hmm, 788 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: and the engine sizes in the capacity. And you would 789 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 1: have a memory of going on a plane, Katie, and 790 00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: your dad's sitting there and going and now the end 791 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 1: is going to run, and that's him putting the landing 792 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: gear down, and now they'll be checking the flaps. He 793 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 1: knew about what happened on them, Yeah, he did. We 794 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,320 Speaker 1: went on a flight once and it was his first 795 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,360 Speaker 1: time when he was Yeah, he was talking through it 796 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: the whole time. It was a feel all excited for 797 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: him that he's getting on the plane as it does 798 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: all the things he's he's heard about. But you would 799 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,240 Speaker 1: also have memories of going with your dad to airplane 800 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,280 Speaker 1: shows and seeing I don't know the name of the plane, 801 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: but the planes that have the two um wings where 802 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: people used to tie themselves on there. You must have 803 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,799 Speaker 1: saw those donac in the air. Yeah, we did. We used. 804 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 1: We used to go to like Farmer Show and watch 805 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: all the different planes and on those air shows. You 806 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,840 Speaker 1: must have had memories of your dad walking you away 807 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: and you and him going for ice cream or a 808 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 1: treat with just you and him, Yeah we did. That 809 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 1: was like my favorite time when we used to go, 810 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: we've got the airport and then like we go and 811 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,919 Speaker 1: get something. Today it's his favorite time as well. It's 812 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,720 Speaker 1: his time of being able to single you out and 813 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,800 Speaker 1: treat you to something special. I know your dad isn't 814 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 1: overly emotional, but this was his way of diverting attention 815 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,800 Speaker 1: purely to you. And this was his way of sharing. 816 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,360 Speaker 1: But you knew that being your dad sharing things. Earlier on, 817 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: I was speaking about how I like to hear Phil 818 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: sing because I know he's enjoying it, and I know 819 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: that was your dad's way of sharing his passion with 820 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: you about planes. But I also have the sense, Katie, 821 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 1: that as your dad grew older and there was a 822 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: sense that he didn't get to see you into adult life. 823 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: He did, but like he never met my children or anything. 824 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: Because I know your adult life. He wants to acknowledge 825 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: he's walked with you, know that walk that you and 826 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 1: him went on your own with ice cream. He wants 827 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: you to know that he's done that walk all the 828 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: way through your life. Since his last breath. He's gone nowhere. 829 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, very very close to you. I heard this 830 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,720 Speaker 1: a number of times from the spirit world where people 831 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 1: in spirits say they got first hold of the babies 832 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: before they drew their first breath. I don't, so don't 833 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: think your dad never got to meet your children, because 834 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,919 Speaker 1: he did. That. Particular reading went on for a little 835 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,959 Speaker 1: while longer each reading last well, I don't know, five 836 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,720 Speaker 1: to seven minutes something like that, and there's usually about 837 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 1: six readings that are done on our online congregation every 838 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: Sunday gathering. We'd love it if you would come to 839 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: join us. Go to we Don't Die dot com and 840 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,960 Speaker 1: up at the top there is a tab that says 841 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,319 Speaker 1: Sunday gathering and you register for your personal zoom link, 842 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: and then on Sunday you just come and join us. 843 00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,439 Speaker 1: Of course, the replays are all available there too. One 844 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: thing I learned is if you attend a weekly spiritual service, 845 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: you're healthier, you heal faster, you're happier, and you live longer. 846 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 1: So that's a great reason to come. Well. I hope 847 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,799 Speaker 1: you've enjoyed our potpourri of different stories today and that 848 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,360 Speaker 1: you come back from the next episode. I'm Sander Champlain. 849 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 850 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. 851 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 1: And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 852 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. 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