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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry's back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where's that little plastic clappy machine? We can just Jerry's back.

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Speaker 1: Jerry can I mentioned had surgery on her back to

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Speaker 1: add a third limb. She does not have the third limb,

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Speaker 1: but she uh is. It's been a while on her

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Speaker 1: back recuperating, then eventually was in a chair and now

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Speaker 1: she's walking around and now she can do push ups

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Speaker 1: with the third arm coming out of her back. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome. But soon enough Jerry will be like pain

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Speaker 1: free for the first time this year, which is very excited. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but for the time being, she's on some pretty dynamite pills.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I to her. Um, Jerry, how are you

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Speaker 1: doing over there? So welcome back, Jerry. We didn't know

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Speaker 1: how much we missed you until you were gone for real.

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Speaker 1: All right, again the applaustic that's about as much sentiments

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Speaker 1: we allow. You know, my throat dried up. I had

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Speaker 1: like some sort of adverse reaction to that. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's do this. Oh really, yeah, man, fine, let's Davie Crockett.

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Speaker 1: I should point out first off that when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid visiting my grandparents in Memphis, Tennessee, Davy Crockett land, Um,

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Speaker 1: I have a great picture, and people who always say, like,

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Speaker 1: why don't you ever post the pictures you talk about?

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Speaker 1: But I had this great picture of me when I

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Speaker 1: was like five years old. Coon skin cap, fringe, vest, boots,

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Speaker 1: little plastic bowie, knife, long muzzle loading. Must get. I

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Speaker 1: think I know this very must get you're talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I was just like totally rigged out and of

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Speaker 1: cessed with watching the old Davy Crockett show, even though

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Speaker 1: it was like nineteen and that show ran the fifties.

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Speaker 1: It was one of those deals like we still grew

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Speaker 1: up on Gilligan's Island on these older shows. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Disney Walt Disney Presents or something like that.

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Speaker 1: They ran a lot of that stuff years later. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was way into it. That's awesome because I was

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Speaker 1: into camping early on, and it was just really fit

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Speaker 1: the bill for me. I love the song the whole deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had a coonskin cap too, But so did Jerry.

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Speaker 1: The only yes she did h the only extray couch

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Speaker 1: from all I had was a deer skin water bag

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Speaker 1: filled with wine. Oh yeah, yeah, a boda bag. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have one, but Emily does and she still

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Speaker 1: puts wine in it and sneakes it in the concerts.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's do it. Uh so, Chuck, you

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Speaker 1: you made reference to Davy Crockett from the fifties, the

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Speaker 1: Disney thing, not Daniel Boone. No, Daniel Boone was prior

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Speaker 1: to Davy Crockett. Davy Crockett became Daniel Boone's successor. Is

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Speaker 1: the the um personification of the American push westward. For

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Speaker 1: a long time, David Crockett personified the conquering of the

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Speaker 1: Indian Um, the wrestling of the bear, taming of this

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Speaker 1: land and through America, America. Although he spent like his

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Speaker 1: entire life in Tennessee pretty much, No, that's not true.

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Speaker 1: He went to Texas, he did, But he spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time in Alabama and actually homesteaded there for

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Speaker 1: a little while around Talladega. Not for too long, though,

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Speaker 1: for long enough. Like his family in Tennessee are all

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Speaker 1: very adamant about being a lifelong Tennessee guy, right and

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Speaker 1: in his heart he would agree with that entirely. Um.

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Speaker 1: He was born in Tennessee, near Knoxville, Greene County. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he uh spent most of his life there, even when

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee, I believe for the most part. Um. He Uh.

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Speaker 1: His autobio bography was titled UM David Crockett of Tennessee

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Speaker 1: parentheses really yeah not Alabama. Yeah, he went to West

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Speaker 1: Tennessee for a while too. We'll get to all this,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, let's go back to the Disney's a volunteer.

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Speaker 1: So twenty years after, Yeah it is? Is that where

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Speaker 1: it came from him? No? I don't think so. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but because he did volunteer, maybe you never know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Or maybe he felt pressure too because he was in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: but let's do it. I love that show. So twenty

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Speaker 1: So I had staying power. But what had even more

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Speaker 1: Davy Crockett fever in the mid fifties. Yeah. They supposedly

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Speaker 1: of the first Davy Crockett episode, a hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: don't know for sure if he actually wore a coonskin cap.

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Speaker 1: that Daniel Boone did not for sure, and Davy Crockett

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Speaker 1: a really great point about Davy Crockett. There are few

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Speaker 1: And we got to mention the song. Well. First of all,

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Speaker 1: some winery that has a name similar to that. Best Parker. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: know you have visited the Alamo and there's no basement.

422
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Speaker 1: There's no basement, and it's I always hear from everybody

423
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: that visits. I have not how small it is. Everyone's

424
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: always underwhelmed. It's basically like one room. Yeah. Yeah. Umi

425
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: took me there and it's in San Antonio. You go

426
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: in and you're like, it's this lump of history in

427
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Speaker 1: the middle of downtown San Antonio. Yeah, and it's just

428
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: it's like was this a bank or was it the Alamo? Yeah,

429
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: I mean like there's it's just there's a couple of

430
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Speaker 1: side rooms, but it's really just one main room. Yeah.

431
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: I always just pictured, you know, some huge fort. Yeah

432
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: you'd think so, And um, I'll visit it one day

433
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: for sure. The gardens, the grounds are amazing. Yeah, yeah,

434
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: it's it's very cool. It's worth going to for sure. Yeah.

435
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Speaker 1: Well I love being historical landmarks. Do you know you

436
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: should do south by Southwest to fly into San Antonio

437
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: and drive to Austin. Yeah, that's what you did, right.

438
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: So the Alamo is great. I'm gonna visit. He famously

439
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 1: died defending the Alamo, but there are many versions of

440
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: how that exactly that went down from um died surrounded

441
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: by sixteen dead Mexicans that he killed with his hand

442
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Speaker 1: on a knife in the back of one. Two captured

443
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: and executed. Two killed at the very beginning of the

444
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: thing and didn't even see much action. Yeah, but we

445
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: think we have a pretty definitive story. Yeah, there's um

446
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: some other stuff that he supposedly did do. Like he

447
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: was um documented is running all over the Alamo, like

448
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: keeping everybody animated, keeping one write exactly. UM. And he

449
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: supposedly played his fiddle a lot like very rousing tune,

450
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: just tried to keep everyone's spirits and energy up and

451
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Speaker 1: they're defending the small little building. Um. He supposedly took

452
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Speaker 1: out five gunners in succession who were trying to shoot

453
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Speaker 1: a cannon at the Alamo with Old Betsy his musket. Yeah.

454
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Speaker 1: And um. He also supposedly came very close to hitting

455
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Speaker 1: um Antonio Santa Anna, the general who was leading the siege. Um,

456
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: but just missed him, even though Santa Anna thought he

457
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: was well out of range of the guns. And I

458
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: see him, but there's no way he can do yeah, exactly. Um.

459
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: So he did do some stuff. He's documented to doing

460
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: something probably truthful. But the problem there was always a

461
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: problem with how he died, in that he was captured,

462
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: and a great brave Indian fighting bear hunter like is

463
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: who represents all of America, isn't supposed to be captured

464
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: because if you capture, that means you put your gun

465
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: down or you didn't die fighting. Well, I supposed he

466
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: ran out of bullets and then we started clubbing them

467
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: with his gun, killing them with his you know, bare

468
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Speaker 1: hands in a in a butt of a gun. Right,

469
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: So that's the fictitious version. The other versions from eyewitnesses

470
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: contradict that. So America long struggled with how Davy Crockett died.

471
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: And then in um the diary of one of the

472
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: Mexican Army soldiers who was there at the siege was

473
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: published and um, it basically laid to rest, like, yes,

474
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Speaker 1: David Crockett was among those captured. It was five or

475
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Speaker 1: six people, yep, like everybody else had been killed or

476
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: or um, we're women basically uh. And Crockett was among

477
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: like five or six soldiers who were captured. Despite Santa

478
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: Anna Um saying don't take any prisoners, they did anyway, Yeah,

479
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: they did, but he was not. Um the account says

480
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: that it was not He wasn't shamed, though he still

481
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: died bravely. They were bayonetted and shot. And the quote

482
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Speaker 1: pain is quote was the Mexican soldier whose diary these

483
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: unfortunates died with complaining without humiliating themselves before their tortures.

484
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Speaker 1: So I think it was like one of those Red

485
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: Dawn scenes where they start singing America the Beautiful. Yeah,

486
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: probably you know, like you're about to shoot me, but

487
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: my head is held high, or like who is it

488
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: we did last week? The the lady, Oh, Mota Hary, Yeah,

489
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: Mota Hary. Yeah. Davy crock and Mana Hary they're virtually indistinguishable,

490
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: that's right. So his reputation remained intact. And uh that

491
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 1: the Alamo and then Walt disn't got a hold of it,

492
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: and a hundred years later became a sensation. Yeah. I

493
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: mean even even beyond the remaining in tech dying at

494
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: the Alamo, defending the Alumo. It's like mushroom clouded his

495
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: personality and his reputation is a legend. Like it just

496
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: sealed it forever, like Davy Crockett, American hero, King of

497
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: the wild front here. Yeah, Timbertoe No, not a Timber too.

498
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: I actually had to look that up. I was like,

499
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: what does that mean. I was like, oh, I wouldn't

500
00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: like got it. He was pretty clever. Oh and that quote,

501
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: by the way, was said while he was drinking with

502
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: his buddies in Memphis at the Union Hotel. And I

503
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: did a little digging, and that is the Union Hotel

504
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: was what is now the grounds of Auto Zone Park

505
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: where the Memphis Redbirds playball. Oh yeah, yeah, I need

506
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: to get back to Memphis. My family has all gone

507
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: from there now, so aside from visiting the graves of

508
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: my grandparents, there's really no other reason to go back.

509
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: The grave of Elvis. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, we'll

510
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: go again, all right. That the station not gonna fund itself, Yeah,

511
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: that's true. Um, okay, you got anything else, Davy Crockett? Oh,

512
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I have one other thing. Something occurred

513
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: to me while we were researching this. Um, if you

514
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: think of Davy Crockett and you're an American, it's just

515
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: all these images come to mind. It's the national hero,

516
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: and there's he's complex and everything. Think about how every

517
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: single country has at least somebody like that, and just

518
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: how totally unaware we are of those people that are

519
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: like that in all those other countries. Yeah, like who

520
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: was Finland's Davy Crockett exactly? Yeah, you know, but it's

521
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: neat to think that there's somebody like that out there

522
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: for at least one for every country on the map.

523
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: Francais that Davy Crockett. I'm sure Napoleon Davy Croquette. Uh yeah.

524
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Speaker 1: And you know what, in listener, man, we should ask

525
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: for your country's version Davy Crockett. Do that. Okay, So

526
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Speaker 1: until then, UM, if you want to learn a little

527
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: more about Davy Crockett, you can me in this article

528
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: that I wrote years and years ago, Um, by searching

529
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: Davy Crockett in the search bar, and that's d A. V. Y.

530
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: The early nineteenth century version of Davy and where else?

531
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Speaker 1: What was that website we also used to get this information?

532
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: Was that? Uh, if you look in the source the

533
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: source list on the Lots More Information page of my article,

534
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: it's in there. There's some good stuff. So I think

535
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: it's like the Texas Online Handbook maybe ye, something like that. Yeah,

536
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: and don't forget to go read that first person account

537
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: of bear hunting with Davy Crockett on George Mason University website.

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Speaker 1: Since I said George Mason, I mean it's time for

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Speaker 1: listening now. Uh. This is about um e c T

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Speaker 1: electro convulsive therapy that we've podcasted on and about civil

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Speaker 1: rights of people forced into stuff like this, and it's

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Speaker 1: from Jamie. Hey, guys, in your ECT podcast you mentioned

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Speaker 1: anti psychiatry with regards to the resistance of e c T.

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Speaker 1: Hope that one day you'll do a podcast about the

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Speaker 1: Consumer Survivor X patient movement c s X. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the remaining civil rights movements in the country and

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Speaker 1: around the world. Mind Freedom dot Org is a great

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Speaker 1: CSX organizations and insistence and still going strong today. Robert

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Speaker 1: Whittaker A journalist wrote Mad in America, where he describes

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Speaker 1: inventors of torture devices peddling their machines to various mental

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Speaker 1: or tortured into sanity. Lobotomies were finally discontinued because storzine

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Speaker 1: metrosol injections and insulin shock were tortuous and highly feared

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Speaker 1: by patients who received them. Much of when what went

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Speaker 1: on in one flow of the Cuckoo's nest is still

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Speaker 1: true for today's modern institutions, including forced east. Nowadays, the

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Speaker 1: tortures are more subtle. I was on a drug personally

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Speaker 1: called Howdall that to this day I believe would make

561
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,120
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562
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Speaker 1: another drug called h mellaril, which was forced upon me

563
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567
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: Today's modern medications routinely caused diabetes and rapid weight gain,

568
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Speaker 1: as well as dependence in early death. When people try

569
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570
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Speaker 1: than symptoms for which they were originally treated. In fact,

571
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Speaker 1: many school shooters were either on one of these drugs

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Speaker 1: or drawing from them. When you do the research, I

573
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Speaker 1: was a patient in the mental health system for twenty

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Speaker 1: you in psychiatry, and guys, I'm not anti psychiatry, but

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Speaker 1: I am no longer blinded or threatened by the tactics

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Speaker 1: And please understand that anyone walking into a psychiatrist office

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Speaker 1: I love I love the podcast on a lot, Thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot Jamie have it is very interesting. I've not

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Speaker 1: heard of that before. Yeah, C S C SX movie.

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590
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Speaker 1: intensely interesting. That's a good one, thanks, Jamie. Um. If

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Speaker 1: you oh yeah, I forgot Um. If you have a

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595
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Speaker 1: like myth and legend in truth all wrapped up sort

596
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Speaker 1: of like Davy profit right, UM, we want to know

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Speaker 1: if you're in the US or her. Oh yeah, good one,

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