1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Creature Features Season two. Last time 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: I left you on a cliffhanger. So today we'll be 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: finishing up The Seven Deadly Sins Part two Electric Boogaloo. Sorry, 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean the Seven Deadly Sins Part two Erotic Bonabo. Anyways, 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: we'll be diving head first into some of the most 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: sinful animals and people. Let's explore some salacious song births, 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: covetous canines, gluttonous goals, and much much more on today's 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: episode of Creature Feature. With me today is Jack O'Brien. 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: He's the host of The Daily Zychuys. Ye did get 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: that one right? Huh? Despite your high pitched voice, you 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: were correct. You could say the Daily z the days 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: and on a declarative low note. Yeah, yeah, Hey, thanks 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: for having me, big fan. Ye first time, long time. Today, 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: let's first dive right into lust. I know, all right, 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty disgusting. I find it gross. It is gross. 16 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think if people just would 17 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: stop feeling emotions, everything would be less disgusting totally. So 18 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: the Bible blames the sin of lust for our human infidelities, 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: But are there other driving factors behind the psychology of cheating. 20 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: There's a study that looks at cheating not on your 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: wife or husband, but on your trusting, loving bagel man. 22 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: There was an economist who quit his job to sell bagels. 23 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: He used the honor system. You would deliver bagels to 24 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: businesses and leave a money collection box for taking a bagel. 25 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Most people would pay, but their word cheaters and cheating 26 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: tended to increase at bigger more in personal offices during 27 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: bad weather and during Christmas and Valentine's Day. According to surveys, 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: people are more likely to cheat when they have the 29 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to and when they feel they're good Samaritans, like 30 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: somehow deserved to cheat. So that explains why they feel 31 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: like during Christmas and Valentine's Day you can cheat because 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: you know you're buying people gifts, and maybe during bad 33 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: weather you feel like, well, life is crappy, it's raining, 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: so I'm just going to steal a bagel, right, Yeah, 35 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: you're treating yourself right, right, Like like God decided to 36 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: rain on me, I'm gonna take a bagel? Well, right, 37 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: And during Christmas, we also, you know, drink and eat 38 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: bad foods. Food doesn't have calories on Christmas or the 39 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: Christmas season. Uh so, I'm sure it's that same sort 40 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: of overall system of just not feeling like we need 41 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: to be responsible for anything that is allowing us to 42 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: steal the proverbial bagel. If you know what I'm saying, 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: that's gross. But even if these excuses work for bagel pilfering, 44 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: there's some thing about romantic cheating that is considered to 45 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: be especially wicked, one of the ultimate breaches and trust. 46 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: For humans, it's the emotional blow of having someone we 47 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: love betray us. For animals, the costs of cheating are cold, 48 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: cruel biological calculation. Most animals aren't monogamous, and for many 49 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: species this is the best strategy. You're diversifying your genetic 50 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: risk by mating with lots of partners. But birds are 51 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: an exception. Almost nine of bird species are monogamous, meaning 52 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: they will form a pair bond either for life or, 53 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: as is often the case, just a single breeding season. 54 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: And in a way this makes sense. Nests require work 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: to build eggs, and chicks are vulnerable the predators and 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: chicks are loud, insatiable little horrors, so having to parents 57 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: around is often critical for their survival. But even though 58 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: birds form adorable little nuclear families. Their infidelity is so 59 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: dramatic it make Jerry Springer's head spin. That's a timely yeah, 60 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: king of sin, Jerry Springer. Hey, my dude, millennials remember 61 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: Jerry Springer. Um, that's interesting that birds are the sort 62 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: of monogamous among us. Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting 63 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: thing because I think it does have to do with 64 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: how their babies are very helpless. So, like you know, 65 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: you look at a lot of ungulates, like hooved animals, 66 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: they just pop right out and they're ready to go. 67 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: H They can walk within just about thirty minutes. But 68 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: like a baby bird, they're just a little squishy balls 69 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: of flesh. Sit there and open their mouth. Yeah, they 70 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: are very similar to human Actually, human babies are, aren't 71 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: They like known to be the most helpless of all 72 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: the babies. They take the longest to develop, and they 73 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: don't really make that much sense as an animal because 74 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: their heads are huge. They can't even lift their own 75 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: heads like when they're first born, and they have no 76 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: motor skills that they absolutely can't do anything for themselves. 77 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: And then it also takes them years to actually be 78 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: able to survive on their own. I know, I have 79 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: a two and a half year old and he's just 80 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: now learning how to kill his own dinner. But yeah, 81 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, and I think I've heard that the theory 82 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: is that, uh, you know, they basically for that time 83 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: that they're out and completely helpless, they could just be 84 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: in the mother's body still justes stating, But they aren't 85 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: because their head would be too wide to pass through. Yeah. Yeah, 86 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: too wide and too solid, Like their head has to 87 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: be squishy. Um, there's that where those plates connect on 88 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: the head where it's like the fontanelle where it's like 89 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: still squishy. Yeah, babies come out. This is a This 90 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: was a big surprise to me and some of my 91 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: friends who just had babies that babies come out looking 92 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: like cone heads, and it's terrifying. You're like, oh no, 93 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: what did we just do. You should never like rest 94 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: your drink on a baby's head because it'll just like 95 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: create like sort of an impression of your beer, you know, 96 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: although it does make it easier for it to you 97 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: know kind of a little. I mean, there there are 98 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: you know, risk reward, right, right, You do want to 99 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: have a place to rest your beer when when you 100 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: have a new child around, you're going to need a beer, right, 101 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: you need to stay pretty drunk. Guys, these are all 102 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: good parenting. Yes, thank you, I'm good at parenting. Yes. 103 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: So you want to go on an imagination I was 104 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: waiting for you. Yeah, yeah, this is a fun one. Okay, 105 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm closing my eyes. Yes. Now, imagine if your wife 106 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: started acting strangely. Hey, I don't need to imagine. That's 107 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: my new catchphrase on That's right, fell is alright, that's 108 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: You're just gonna be like, no, no no, no, I didn't 109 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: mean it was. My wife does listen to the Daily Ziegeist, 110 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: and I get in trouble basically every time her name 111 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: comes up. I was like, I mean about that. It 112 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: made me sounds mean. Uh So she makes grocery trips 113 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: at odd hours and your energy bill skyrockets. Um. So 114 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: there's a closet you're not supposed to go in because 115 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: it has quote unquote Christmas presents in there. Um but 116 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: you're you start to just get this this sinking feeling 117 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: that something's weird. So you just it's uh you know, 118 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: uh July. Yeah, I'm starting to get very suspicious. Uh 119 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: So you decided to peek inside and you find that 120 00:07:53,680 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: there's a large industrial refrigerator in there, so you open 121 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: the door and there's, you know, a woosh of cold air, 122 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: and inside are dozens of vials of a white substance, 123 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: each labeled with a specimen number. And next to the 124 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: fridge you find stacks of files containing information on quote 125 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: unquote donors with the profile of their health and genetic 126 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: compatibility with your wife. Oh that does not sound very 127 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: good for me. Well, bad news if you're a bird. 128 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Oh that also doesn't sound very good. Katie knows this 129 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: because she's sitting across from me, but most of the 130 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: listeners might not know. I am a giant bird. Yeah, 131 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: it's it's like really disgusting in the office too, just everywhere. God, 132 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: I hate bird poop. I mean, like I've heard people 133 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: say that, oh, bird poop is one of the least 134 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: obnoxious forms of animal poop. It's not smelling, but it's 135 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: just it's white, and that's weird to me. It is weird. 136 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: It is good that it's not smelly, though they PopEd 137 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: like dogs. That would be a real problem for us 138 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: as people. Just dogs falling from the sky, just some 139 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: kind of like dog bird hybrid. And there's just like 140 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: mounds of poop all over chairs. No, I don't want 141 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: to I don't want to think about that. So let's 142 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: go back to birds, any species of birds. As I 143 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, they're monogamous, but they will still cheat from 144 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: time to time, and only at the grocery store. If 145 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: if I'm getting your imagination journey correct, and then they 146 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: tell their partners that it's so you know, I'm shopping 147 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: for Christmas presents because it's bird Christmas? Do they put 148 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: humans in a pear tree? Christmas? Bird Christmas? This isn't 149 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: probably not going to come out around Christmas, so this 150 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: is gonna Really these jokes are gonna land. Christmas jokes 151 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: are only funny around Christmas. Uh. Researchers found that Goldian 152 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: finch females will not cheat too often, but even if 153 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: they cheat once, they can store the sperm from the 154 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: tryst and use it to fertilize the majority of their offspring. 155 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: So I don't know if you guessed on our little 156 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: imagination journey, but you know that was a refrigerator fall 157 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: of sperm? Is that? Oh? Yeah, you didn't specifically say that. 158 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: I never I assume all white substances are sperm. That 159 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: same mixed mayonnaise sandwich is very difficult for me. Yeah, 160 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: mannais really I don't like it right now. Yeah, that's 161 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: my thing. That's my trademark, not liking mayonnaise and thinking 162 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: everything that is white and goody's probably sperm. Yeah, they're 163 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: great trademarks. Katie, I've always said that, Hey it's Katie, 164 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: it looks like sperm. Yeah, it's logical. So google and 165 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: finches come into fla verse. There's the redheaded and the 166 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: black headed. So redheaded finches are more genetically compatible with 167 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: other redheaded finches, which sounds like if there was like 168 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: a weird kind of like if Nazis were all redheads 169 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: that just like you know, all frankly and redheads, they 170 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: just all you're describing my night, they all. I mean, 171 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: that'd be easy though, because instead of being killed by 172 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: the Russian winter, they just anytime the sun comes out, 173 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: they'd be like new, right, we must go inside. We 174 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: cannot take over Europe. Your German accent, it's very good. 175 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm good at accent, I know. Right. Anyways, So if 176 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: a redheaded finch mates with another redheaded finch, their offspring 177 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: is much more likely to survive because it's a genetic masterpiece. Okay, 178 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: that sounds very I'm Jewish, I get to say things. Okay, 179 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: genetic masterpiece, red red genet. Sorry, I'm taking notes. Um. 180 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: So this is also the same thing for like black 181 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: headed finches, when they're paired up, their genetic compatibility is better. 182 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: And isn't that the opposite of humans? Aren't humans supposed 183 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: to mate with people who are genetically dissimilar. Yes, but 184 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: it's sort of complicated, so like it is a good 185 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: kind of herostic that someone who looks more different from 186 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: you is probably gonna be more diverse from you. Um, 187 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: but there are certain things that like in human there 188 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: are certain markers that can fit together better and it 189 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have any connection to physical appearance, so um, 190 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: but in these finches, it's it's just a different kind 191 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: of story. But yeah, in general, even with with animals, 192 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: genetic diversity is better. Um, but there can be Yeah, 193 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: And well, I mean it's not that diversity isn't better, 194 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: It's just that there are certain compatible gene markers that 195 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: occur in redheaded versus the Yeah it um, and if 196 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: you mate with your twin, you will give birth to 197 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: an evil king. Yeah, with six fingers right. Um. So 198 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: the study paired up female finches with male finches and 199 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: allowed them to mate, and they formed a social pair, 200 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: and then the researchers allowed the female to have a 201 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: short affair with another bird. Weird, I know, these research 202 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: are just like, yeah, you're go have checks with that 203 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: other bird. Um. Now that was a very convincing impression, yes, 204 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: horny scientists, much better than your German impression. Ye kiss 205 00:13:51,960 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: each other pairing alright. So, so they found that given 206 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity, the females were just as likely to cheat, 207 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: no matter the head color of the male they were 208 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: cheating with or the head color of their own partners. 209 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: So they're just horny horny gals gals um. And female 210 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: finches whose social bond was with different headed finches so 211 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: less genetically compatible, and who had the chance to have 212 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: a tryst with the same headed finch managed to store 213 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: the sperm from the affair with the more genetically compatible finch, 214 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: and they used it in up to of their fertilized eggs. 215 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: So now, okay, so you're talking about storing sperm. I'm 216 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: assuming these birds do not have industrial refrigerators in their 217 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: in there or in their nest um. So is this 218 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: a decision that they're making, like is it something that's 219 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: happening in there? But I guess I was going to 220 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: ask consciously they can they think about I want to 221 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: hold onto this sperm. Probably not, it's just happening inside 222 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: their body. Yeah, and they're not really No, I wouldn't 223 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: say I don't think that they're because like you know, 224 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: they're not thinking through like hey, al right, this sperm 225 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: is more They're not like little robots who can analyze 226 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: like the sperm and be like this sperm is not compatible. 227 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: But things that can happen is like you look down 228 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: to sort of the cellular level, there could be some 229 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: ability for that sperm to be stored longer because it's 230 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: like genetically more compatible. The just responding right, but positively. 231 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: But to be honest, researchers aren't really sure. So researchers, 232 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Sarah Prike says, they don't totally know how the finches 233 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: managed this. It's quote a little bit of a black box. 234 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: What's actually happening inside the female Yeah, so the female 235 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: finches vagina is a black box. They don't know. So 236 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: when the birds crashed a boom roast did but yeah. 237 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like it's like if a bird crashes. I 238 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: like this idea of like saying like, well, we gotta 239 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: look at the bird vagina, right, So that's that's interesting. Yeah, 240 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: did the study mentioned if they show, like when they're 241 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,359 Speaker 1: mating with somebody for the season, do they show a 242 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: preference for a genetically similar versus genetically different or I 243 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: guess you wouldn't really need to show that preference because 244 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: your body is just doing some behind the scenes sperm juggling. Yeah. Yeah, 245 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: it seems to be more just that biologically there's a 246 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: preference maybe not like intellectually, a preference for the genetically 247 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: more compatible. And it's crazy because like they can keep 248 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: that sperm stored in their reproductive track for up to 249 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: thirteen days, which is kind of gross, right yeah, but 250 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: but that means that they can be mating with their 251 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: actual partner and use that sperm to continue to fertilize 252 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: their eggs. What is the length that that happens with 253 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: human to keep things in a disgusting area, but like, 254 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: isn't there a long window that I think it's like, 255 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: I think it remains viable for around a week, which 256 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: is longer than I would have expected is longer than 257 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: it should be. God made a horrible mistake. I think 258 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: maybe it depends though, if like, if you're keeping yourself 259 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: at room temperature or like, like I wonder if it's 260 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: spoiled faster. It's like, now, don't go out in the sun. 261 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: Red gross. It is all sexes gross, It's all disgusting. 262 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: This podcast is about discouraging people from expression expressing physical 263 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: forms of love. It's disgusting. You should be a I 264 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: so disagreed with that sentiment. My mouth would even let 265 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: me say it. It's like, no, you fool, that's mean. 266 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: Stop it. Then our spec would die up. So only 267 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: about four percent of all mammals are monogamous. Even our 268 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: closest relatives, the apes, aren't always monogamous. Gibbons are faithful, 269 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: but chimpanzees and gorillas are promiscuous. So why are some 270 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: apes monogamous and others living a banana fueled or gy lifestyle. 271 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: One theory is that infanticide has driven some species of 272 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: apes to become monogamous, So that's killing of babies. So 273 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: in species where there's a great threat of rival males 274 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: killing the babies of their own species, monogamy ensures the 275 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: males will work with the females to protect their offspring. 276 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: This doesn't actually explain why humans are monogamous. This theory 277 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: only works for a primate species who aren't in close 278 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: knit troops or societies, in which the case the whole 279 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: group will protect the babies. Human monogamy is on a 280 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: different evolutionary path than that of gibbons, given that our 281 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: closest ape relatives, chimps and bonobos are horning little tramps. 282 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: They love humping each other. They'll hump anyone. It's just 283 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: it's madness. It's evangelicals worst nightmare. Also, humans aren't always monogamous. 284 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: Only sevent of human cultures exclusively allow for monogamy. But 285 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: even in these more permissive cultures, people are still more 286 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: likely to form monogamous relationships. So there's actually a book 287 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: called Sex at Dawn that talks about how people had 288 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: sex and formed family units in very early human societies 289 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: and also looked at some tribal communities now like hunter gatherer. 290 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: I think is the delineation he makes between like hunter 291 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: gather pre government societies, and he was basically suggesting that 292 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: tribal and like non monogamous is the natural state of humans, 293 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: and basically he's suggesting that humans in the early tribal 294 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: state would all have sex with each other and the 295 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: men wouldn't know whose kid was who's so they would 296 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: all just look out for all the children in their 297 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: tribe and it would be this big. You know, if 298 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: you ask me, the idea sounds kind of communist, down 299 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: right communists, but sex communism. Sex communism, which communes are 300 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I've I've heard this theory before, and 301 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: I think one of the difficulties with determining whether it's 302 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: that we we are promiscuous by nature and therefore we 303 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: created social groups is the causality. So it could be 304 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: that once we form social groups, it's easier to be 305 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: promiscuous because having that group looking out for you means 306 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: that you won't be punished for sleeping around. Your children 307 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: will be raised by the group and protected by the 308 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: group no matter what it versus if you were isolated, 309 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: where you have much more of a motivation to make 310 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: sure your monogamous, make sure your partner's monogamous, so that 311 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: you're investing everything in the correct genetic um organism, which 312 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: sounds really cold, but that that is sort of the 313 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: calculation that animals make um so, but then the other 314 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: way could be that, oh, because we were promiscuous, then 315 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: we formed these social groups because you know, if you 316 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: don't know who you're your offspring is, then it's more 317 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: beneficial to form these big groups where you're just all 318 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: looking out for each other. So it's hard, it's hard 319 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: to say which way that, like, did we did we 320 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: start out sleeping around and form society around our desire 321 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: to make promiscuous or did we start forming social groups? 322 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: Because there is some evolutionary evidence that once our brain 323 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: started to change and we became less aggressive and we 324 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: have less testosterone, we became more pro social because we 325 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: him more gentle, less prone to this sort of impulsive violence, 326 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: and that enabled us to form social groups. Um just 327 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: changing the way we think about right right, wanting to 328 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: kill everything in front of us, right. It is kind 329 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: of interesting because like, uh, you know, you you may 330 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: have like some interaction that our ability to form social 331 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: groups because we're a lot and even though chimps form 332 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: social groups, they are a lot more violent, so they 333 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: have trouble, like say, forming bigger social groups. They have 334 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: these individual troops and they don't get along with other 335 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: troops very well, but humans, being a little less aggro 336 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: could potentially start to communicate with other other social groups 337 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: and like, hey, you know, we're not so different. Let's 338 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: trade shells and um, you know, and so it's it 339 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: makes it. And then that nature, that kind of pro 340 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: social nature may make people either It's hard to say 341 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: whether that would make them more monogamous or more promiscuous, 342 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: because I could see arguments both way, Like if you're 343 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: more monogamous, you may form a stronger emotional connection because 344 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: you're less aggressive, but you could also be you know, 345 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: just like if everyone's socializing, there's more chance for promiscuity. Yeah, 346 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: And I guess another way to look at it would 347 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: be that the natural state is tribal where everybody has 348 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: sex with everybody else, and that's like the best for 349 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: the like overall utilitarian, like that's the highest level of happiness. 350 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: But then like a handful of like jealous weak men 351 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: were like, I'm going to build society so that I 352 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: can control women so that they only have sex with me. Um. 353 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: But I think that's basically the thesis of Dan Brown's 354 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: Da Vinci code. Yeah, I mean, if you look at tender, 355 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: that does seem to like, like if you're like, hey, 356 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: have checked you with me and you're like no, like 357 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: you dirty, she doesn't actually make sense. Yeah. And by 358 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: the way, you heard the theory that I just suggested 359 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: from a guy trying to get you to join his commune, 360 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: right to make that clear to everybody his sex commune. 361 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: One of the most common questions about monogamy and humans 362 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: is whether it's a natural which is a tricky question 363 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: given that even our early ancestors formed social groups which 364 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: influence their behavior. But I think what this question is 365 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: trying to get at is whether it's a biological imperative 366 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: or culturally learned one. There are some biological markers that 367 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: seem to indicate we should be monogamous. Primates with higher 368 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: second to fourth finger length ratios tend to be less promiscuous, 369 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: as it's a marker of lower tiestosterone exposure, and that's 370 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: the case for humans like if you look at your hand. 371 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: But monogamous primates like gibbons often have smaller tests due 372 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: to the lack of need for sperm competition with rivals, 373 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: and in polygamus species like chimpanzees, the tests are large. 374 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: Ready to quote play ball with rival males um, but 375 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: in humans, the testies ratio is kind of somewhere in 376 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: the middle, not too big, not too small, the goldilocks 377 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: of balls. So this is the issue with looking for 378 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: a single biological marker to answer a complex social practice 379 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: such as monogamy. It's very hard to trace one physiological 380 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: characteristic to faithfulness, and society is such a strong driving 381 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: force it's an extremely difficult challenge to parse whether this 382 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: complex human behavior has evolved culturally or biologically. So I 383 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: guess what I'm trying to say is, if you cheat 384 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: and you try to blame it on your huge chimpanzee balls, 385 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: sorry dude, but science does not have your back on 386 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: this point. Hold onto your balls. We'll be right back 387 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: after these nets into their Greed seems like one of 388 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: the most natural elements on Earth. After all, evolution seems 389 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: to be based on creed. Animals that gain the most 390 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: resources and greeding opportunities succeed, But the added component of 391 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: social networks among animals creates a competing force. Social groups 392 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: may offer more benefits than temporary greed provides. Perhaps in 393 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: this way, complex emotions can take form in more intelligent 394 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: social animals, such as envy. Humans are the ultimate social animal, 395 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: and we have a complex emotional landscape that includes being 396 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: angry at those who we deem to be too greedy, 397 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: and also to be envious of those who we think 398 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: have gotten an unfair share. But are we the only 399 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: ones who shall covet our neighbor's os or, as we'll 400 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: see in some cases, our neighbors grapes. That's usually what 401 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm most covetous of the number of grapes that my 402 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: neighbors have. Grapes are so good. It's like now that 403 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm an adult and I can't just eat canned you 404 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: whenever I want. It's I feel like sometimes when I 405 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: eat grapes or or little those little clementines, Oh, this 406 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: is like candy, And then I feel sad because, like 407 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: my seven year old in time, he was like, you fool. 408 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: I found that it helps to just keep it in candy, 409 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: like you're a child until your teeth fall out. That's true. Yeah, 410 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: but it's always between whether I'm more jealous of my 411 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: neighbor's grapes or their oxen. Yeah. I mean like it's 412 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: like your neighbor gets an ox and then you get 413 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: a knox and then they get like the Ox arms 414 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: racing Jetta, which I don't know. I think I'd rather 415 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: have an OX for sure. So it's time for imagination station. Yeah, alright, 416 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: eyes closed, and I everybody should know that my eyes 417 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: are actually closed during this and I find that it 418 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: helps and that you should also close your eyes, close 419 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: your eyes unless even if you're driving, even if you're driving, right, 420 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: I will go on record and say that, yeah, I'm 421 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna keep your eyes open. I'd say 422 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: buckle up safety first, turn it off. So, uh, say 423 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: you and a friend find someone's wallet, what would make 424 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: you angrier getting no reward for turning in the wallet, 425 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: Or say your friend hands it over to the owner 426 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: and the owner is just like, oh, thank you, you know, 427 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: you're so great and completely ignores you and then like 428 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: gives them two hundred dollars and says, don't you dare 429 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: share a cent of this two hundred dollars. So they 430 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: get all of the credit, all of the reward, and 431 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: not you. Sorry, what was the first scenario again, you 432 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: just don't get a reward at all. You return it 433 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: and don't get a reward, or my friend gets the 434 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: reward right exactly and my friend is not willing to 435 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: share it with No, because that friend is me and 436 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sharing it at all. I think I would 437 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: have to think about who my friends are and whether 438 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: they're really my friend. Kat eyes are still closed? Should 439 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: I open them? Sure? Okay? Cool, it was dark in there? 440 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: What next? What? What would mad at you? You're mad 441 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: at me? Would you feel worse if like you hand 442 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: it in the wallet and the person is like, oh, 443 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: great things and they didn't give you any reward, or 444 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: if just me, just me Katie got all of the 445 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: reward huh. I feel like, see, I'm extremely passive and 446 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: conflict of verse. So I would probably just be happy 447 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: that you got money and then probably like months down 448 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: the road, be like wait, asshole, uh no, yeah, I 449 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: would probably be happier that you got some money. Really yeah, 450 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: but I'm better than most people. Yeah, because I wouldn't 451 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: feel that way. Like I feel like if we both 452 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: found the wallet together, like if it was sort of 453 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: a team effort of lifting this, like each taking a 454 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: corner of the wallet and lifting it off the ground, 455 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: like oh this is a heavy as wallet, or like 456 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: I spotted it and they picked it up and helped 457 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: find the person and then they just got all the reward, 458 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: even though on my surface, what my face would be 459 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: saying would be, oh, I'm so happy for you. Good 460 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: for you, I'm so got two hundred dollars and knowing 461 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: it good. I think a place I'm very spiteful is 462 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: in sports and politics. Like I would much rather neither 463 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: side win than my team lose and the other side win. 464 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: I hate the team that wins. I understand how that 465 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: works with sports, but with politics, what does that mean 466 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: neither side winning? So if the devastation, if it was 467 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: between Trump winning the election in the world being as 468 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: bad off as it is right now, or neither side winning, 469 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: society collapsing and the world being as bad off as 470 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: it is right now, I would probably go with society 471 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: collapsing because I hate that the Republicans right about things 472 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, but I feel like that's for a 473 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: different podcast, Okay, Yeah, something like a daily maybe you know, 474 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: maybe have me on the record. I know you don't 475 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: need to say it through clenched teeth. It was just like, hey, 476 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: maybe mightly clenched teeth Jack, I would love to be 477 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: on your show again. I would love to Loah, this 478 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: is just strangely tense. I think it's because we imagined me, 479 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: reimagined me taking all of your money. That's right, that's 480 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: what did it. So I guess I'm not as nice 481 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: as I thought, right, And neither are chimps good. Okay, 482 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: I didn't think chimps were nice though. Yeah, I know 483 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: they did rip that one lady's face. I know that's 484 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: what That's what did it for me. I was like, 485 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: maybe chimps are nice. And then I listened to that 486 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: nine one one calling. Yeah, it's pretty rough because it's 487 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: just I mean, that woman survived, but her friend calls 488 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: in is just like, yeah, it's pretty creepy. So researchers, 489 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: they are always dicks, and they like to make dicky 490 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: experiments where they dick around with chimpanzees. So too, chimpanzees 491 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: were given rewards for exchanging tokens with the researcher. So 492 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: like they get like a little like tablet or coin 493 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: or something and they hand it to the researcher and 494 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: they get a reward, and they're trained that this is 495 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: how it works, so they are becoming good, good capitalists. 496 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: In the test condition, that subject chimp was given a 497 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: lesser reward than his partner. Um, So a bland, stupid 498 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: cucumber versus a juicy, amazing grape. Um. The chimps who 499 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: were given the cucumbers responded really negatively. So they're really 500 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: jealous that for the same token that their partner gets 501 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: like a grape, and then they get a shitty cucumber 502 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: and they're really upset. Grape versus a cucumber. Yeah, I 503 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: mean grapes. Grapes are way better. Grapes are way better. 504 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: And for chimps, grapes are like that. They're like, yeah, 505 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: just if you can imagine, like you know, they're like 506 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: crown nuts or something. So, uh, back to cucumbers, Um, 507 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: the chip dicks of vegetables, right, that is true. They 508 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: are the chimp dicks of vegetables. Uh. And so when 509 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: the chimp's just got a stupid cucumber and not a 510 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: great grape, they would respond quote unquote negatively, which includes 511 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: refusing to participate in the study, which is really funny 512 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: to me. The visualizing like a chimp just like folding it. 513 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: Starmon's being like, well, I won't be in your stupid experiment. 514 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: It seems very passive for it. Yeah. Yeah, they'll they'll 515 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: refuse to accept the cucumbers, so they'll like not even 516 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: take it, Like I won't even take your stupid shitty cucumber. 517 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: Um that they can't even throw away the cucumber, so 518 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: like like throw it like you want you cucumber, just 519 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: let it fall to the ground. Yeah. Um. And what's 520 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: really interesting is chimps also differentiate between greed and jealousy. 521 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: So it's not just that they really they're really greedy, 522 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: they want the grape, and so they're angry that they 523 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: don't get the grape. It's that they're specifically angry that 524 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: their partner got the grape but not them. So chimps 525 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: were shown a tasty grape and then prompted to do 526 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: the whole exchanging coins for the grape. But instead uh, 527 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: both the chimp test subject and his partner received gross cucumbers. Uh. 528 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: And in that case, they were less likely to respond negatively, 529 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: Like they weren't thrilled, but they weren't as violently angry. 530 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: So they were just pissed, but in a general sense, 531 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: because cucumber suck. Yeah, cucumber like it. I mean, imagine 532 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: if someone hand you a cucumber, how would you react 533 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: just like the fuck yeah, I guess I don't want 534 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: a cucumber. Were they led to believe a grape was 535 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: the payment for this? Yeah, I got it. Yeah, Like 536 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: they were shown a grape, there was the old grape 537 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: and switch the grape and switch. Yeah. Um. So they 538 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: seem to have a concept of the unfairness of it 539 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: and respond angrily. But it's the other person enjoying the 540 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: grape that really say right right, And I'm sure that 541 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: other chimp is being a real Also, yummy, I love 542 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: this grape so tasty. Chimps aren't known for their subtlety 543 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: unless you give them a cucumber, and they just go 544 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: on strike. I mean not necessarily quietly, like they'll throw it, 545 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: throw a fit, you know, good point, get really angry, 546 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: poop on you say your experiments stop it. Yeah, call 547 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: you a small dick Experimenteragee's signing small and then oblong 548 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: no no, no wait. So Capucheon's and even dogs will 549 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: respond the same way in similar studies, and the dogs 550 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: would sulk and refuse to perform tricks if they saw 551 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: another dograssy rewards when they didn't. And I have a dog, 552 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: he's extremely spiteful. She uh like will loudly sigh if 553 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: she feels like she's been tricks, so like she knows 554 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: the drop it command and she'll get a treat and like, 555 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: but now she's just learned that she takes things and 556 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: steals things, and if she takes something, then she can 557 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: extort treats out of me. But if I like get 558 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: the thing from her without rewarding her, she'll like like 559 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: like really angry at me and in sulks and like 560 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: because she's like, that's not how we play this game. Um. 561 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: So much of this is reminding me of having a 562 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,919 Speaker 1: two year old. Yes, he is very we we also 563 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 1: have a dog, and if a piece of his food 564 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: falls on the ground, Uh, he doesn't care unless the 565 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: dog gets it, in which case he's like, you mother, 566 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: get dog. Well that's interesting because so chimps will actually 567 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: show a similar level of greed and cooperation as human children. 568 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: So they they're like, you know, these researchers are like, 569 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: m We're gonna test these chimps and compare their scores 570 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: to human children. Uh and so uh, here's a slight 571 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: variation on the study we were talking about before. So 572 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: chimps were offered to tokens. One token meant that both 573 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: the chimp and its partner would receive an equal food reward, 574 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: so that's the like cooperative token. And then there's the 575 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: selfish token, which when they hand that into the researcher, 576 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: they just get all of the rewards, so double the reward. UM. 577 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: So I mean obviously double Uh. These are bad parents 578 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 1: to these chimps. Uh so Uh. The catch is that 579 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: he can't just hand the token to the experiments or 580 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: so in one condition he can and when it's just 581 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: like you're just sort of it's called like the dictator 582 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: um game where it's like you just get to control 583 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: the tokens. They obviously hand in the one that gives 584 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: them all of the treats um. But then in the 585 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: ultimatum game, they have to hand they don't have a 586 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: direct way to hand it to the uh the researcher, 587 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: so they have to hand it. They hand it to 588 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: a partner, uh, and then that partner can hand it 589 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: in to the researcher. So that means they get to 590 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: select the token, but their partner has to actually be 591 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: the one to turn it in for the reward. And 592 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: that's why it's like an ultimatum that partner gets to 593 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: decide whether or not they're going to actually go through 594 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: with the transaction. UM. So in that case, the chimpanzees 595 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: will actually select the one that is more fair and 596 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: handed into their partner. UM, which seems to make sense. 597 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: Like they're thinking, well, you know, you might think that 598 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: it's because they've learned that when they hand in the 599 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: selfish one, they just get nothing like that it's some 600 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: kind of operat conditioning, But actually it turns out that 601 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: it is completely independent of actual consequence. So like they 602 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: didn't find that the partner chimp would refuse to hand 603 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: in tokens, So the chimp is sort of predicting that 604 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: perhaps this is the more pro social thing to do, 605 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: and will preemptively be more fair rather than responding to 606 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: a consequence. I think I kind of understand that. So yeah, 607 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: so it's like there's no situation in which they don't 608 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: receive a reward. They're never punished for handing in the 609 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: selfish token to their partner. Their partner is just kind 610 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: of like indiscriminately handing in the tokens to the researcher, 611 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: got it. So really it's more they're thinking, oh, you 612 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: know this may either they're kind of thinking, well, maybe 613 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: if I hand this to my partner, it's going to 614 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: piss them off, or they're kind of almost like maybe sheepish, 615 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: like this is gonna seem really rude, because I think 616 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,479 Speaker 1: that's that's actually the case with humans as well, where 617 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: it's like sometimes we do things that there's no consequence, 618 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: Like say you have like a grocery cart and you're 619 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: in a parking lot and like nobody's around to see 620 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: you like leave it, you know, but you still kind 621 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: of feel like I'm just gonna like push it out 622 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: of the way of the cars and like put or 623 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: put it in the carousel. Yeah what Yeah, no way, 624 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: I push it out into traffic. Yeah, that that is 625 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. That is correct. Um, we're 626 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: just things like privately, like like you're in your own 627 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: home and you're deciding whether or not to recycle something 628 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: like there's no social consequence to you, right, but you're 629 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: you're just kinding, you know, because you love. It's like 630 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: there's maybe just kind of a social instinct. And so 631 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: they actually found that human children did the same thing 632 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: as the chimps. It's interesting because in the Dictator game 633 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: where they get complete control, complete power, they are selfish. 634 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,720 Speaker 1: But when they have to work together with this other child, 635 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: even though there's not really a direct consequence to them 636 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,959 Speaker 1: handing the selfish token to their partner, they will still 637 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: be more generous in that social situation. I think the 638 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: tokens thing is confusing me. Yeah, So, like basically, if 639 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: you don't have to work with some someone like you 640 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 1: don't you don't have to look them in the eye 641 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: and hand them this token that says I'm about to 642 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: dick you over then, and they can just directly hand 643 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: it into the researcher. Uh, they'll hand in the token 644 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: that's like give me all of the reward, Whereas when 645 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: they have to like be like, hey, would you please 646 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: hand this to the researcher It says I get both bananas. 647 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: It would you be cool with that? They don't do that. 648 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: They avoid that situation where they are more likely to 649 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 1: be like, Hey, I'm a I'm a cool chimp slash child. 650 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: Here's a token that says we both get bananas, right, 651 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: because they somehow feel bad about the fact that it's 652 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: sucking the other right, Like, I wonder if it's even 653 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: just having to look them in the eye and be like, 654 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm about to fuck you. Yeah right, Well isn't there. 655 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: So you opened this episode talking about the bagel experiment. 656 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: They're a bagel experiment where there's eyes drawn on the 657 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: Do you know this one? I don't put that. I 658 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: mean that sounds interesting. Yeah. So there's this one where 659 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: they had a like donation just leave whatever you want 660 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: jar next to bagels, and they found that people gave 661 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: way more money when they just put photographs of eyes 662 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,240 Speaker 1: on the because it was just like they were somehow 663 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: being reminded that eyes were like of somebody looking at them. 664 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 1: So it's almost like it's communicating to a very dumb 665 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: and basic part of our brain. I mean, I know 666 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: they do that with an anti shoplifting signs, like they 667 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: put a pair of eyes on those, and I think 668 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: that's supposed to like Tom, they can't see me. Darn it, 669 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: I could have been doing a lot of crime. Um. 670 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: I mean, even so, children were actually a little more 671 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: fair than the chimps, so that there is some hope 672 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: for human children. They're a little um nicer than that 673 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: is that is good for humans in general. My kid 674 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: not so much. That would not be better. So that 675 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: is that makes me fear for his future? Yeah, I 676 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: will think about that after we're done. Uh. So, it's 677 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,720 Speaker 1: tempting to think that humans are just naturally greedy, especially 678 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: when reading the news or wanting to merge on the freeway, 679 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: but a study by Yale psychologist David g Rand calls 680 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: this notion into question, and his study participants engaged in 681 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,240 Speaker 1: various economic games similar to what we described with the chimps. 682 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: He found that when people are given less time to 683 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: think about their decision, they act more cooperatively and altruistically, 684 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: meaning that it's only after careful consideration that we decide 685 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: to be selfish. So we may not be able to 686 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: blame our greedy nature on our impulses, but rather on 687 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: our rationality. So it's like, hmmm, yeah, I'm gonna be 688 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: an asshole. That actually totally makes sense to me, But 689 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: I've never thought about it before that all of my 690 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: most like selfish, shitty decisions are the ones that I 691 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: like reason my way into inherently just immediately knee jerk 692 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: doing the right thing right right. I mean, I wonder 693 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: if that's like when people like literally take a bullet 694 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: for someone. I think that is they aren't they don't 695 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: give themselves time to think about it, right, because it's 696 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: a stupid thing to do. Well on people who are 697 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 1: survived of taking a bullet for someone, or like there 698 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: was like one guy who like jumped on the train 699 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,879 Speaker 1: tracks to flatten someone. I mean not only was it 700 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: like not only was it altruistic, but it's really smart. 701 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: And he thought about it in like half a second. 702 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: Where it's like there's a guy on unconscious lying across 703 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: the train car, like jumped down got him, you know, 704 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: parallel to the tracks so that he'd be under the 705 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: car and they both survived and he like kept him flat, 706 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: so like the train just passed over him. But I 707 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: wouldn't recommend it, Like that's very risky. They could he 708 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: could have died, um, but you know he didn't. And 709 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: he was saying like afterwards, he's like, you know, people 710 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: are like, oh, you're so brave, and he's like, no, 711 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean I literally wasn't thinking And if I had 712 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: thought about it for longer, I probably wouldn't have done it. Um. 713 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: And that's a really common trend in like these amazing 714 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,839 Speaker 1: acts of altruism where there's like some part of our 715 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: our brain that's just like it is very not that 716 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: we don't always listen to Well, yeah, it's like courage 717 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: equals not thinking, because that's what you know chanting And 718 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: a lot of the army drills are called thoughts stopping exercises, 719 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: And when you're playing a sport and you choke, it's 720 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: usually because you're thinking about it, because they say, like 721 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: a good way to get around choking in sports is 722 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: to just start singing a song because you're focused on 723 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: that and then you're you let like the you know, 724 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: unconscious part of your brain takeover for the actions. So yeah, 725 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:40,240 Speaker 1: basically our our ability to think. It's almost like the 726 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: Book of Genesis and the Adam and Eve story knew something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 727 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: women just screw everything up. Thank you. I didn't want 728 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: to say it, but I'm glad you did. On that 729 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 1: lovely note that won't get us angry. D m S. 730 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, and what do 731 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: I think? It's not hard to find gluttonous sinners in 732 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: the animal kingdom. Often animals will eat more than what's 733 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: good for them. Open up the stomach of seagulls who 734 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: come to buffet at a landfill and you can find tinfoil, 735 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: metal glass, rubber bands, plastic cutlery, and more. Sharks also 736 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: have eaten their fair share of creative cuisine, including boots, raincoats, 737 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: pieces of boats, toys, license plates. Maybe that's where all 738 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: the POGs wound up. But do humans ever eat the inedible? 739 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,320 Speaker 1: Pika is a disorder found in both humans and animals. 740 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: Those with pica will eat inedible or even dangerous items. 741 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: Some of the more common forms of pika are pagophagia 742 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: eating ice, trictophagia eating hair, xylophagia eating paper, lithophasia stones, 743 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: geophagia soil, and even corporophasia feces which I'm sure I 744 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: pronounced all of those perfectly. What's the name for people 745 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: like me who eat taco bell am? I right, fellows. Uh. 746 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: It can be a purely psychological disorder, but it can 747 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: also indicate a mineral deficiency, such as low iron, which 748 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: is associated with eating soil, or anemia, especially among those 749 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: who eat ice, and I mean like water ice, not um. Anyways, 750 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,919 Speaker 1: Pregnant women and children are more likely to have pike 751 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: it and are also more likely to be simultaneously suffering 752 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: from anemia. If you own a dog, you know, they 753 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: might occasionally dabble in coprophagia, the eating of their own feces. 754 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: Coprophagia isn't always pike a. Many animals find feces to 755 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: be nutritional and delicious, such as rabbits, guinea pigs, baby koalas, 756 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,320 Speaker 1: and flies. Dogs who take to eating their poop maybe 757 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: trying to make up for a nutritional deficiency or to 758 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: help nourish their gut biome. But they could also just 759 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: be anxious or simply bored. That's why I do it. Yeah, 760 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: I know who among us doesn't like to sit down 761 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,399 Speaker 1: and just eat some ship when you're bored. Yeah, So 762 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,800 Speaker 1: earlier I mentioned tricophagia, which is also called Rapunzel syndrome 763 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: because that means eating your own hair, which, as we 764 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: know in the classic fairy tale, she eats her hair, right, 765 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: the famous story of her Punzel who eats all her 766 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: own hair. Love that scene Entangled where she eats her 767 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: own hair. Um, it's like a bunch of linguini. So 768 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: this can actually be really dangerous. Hair is indigestible and 769 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: conform blockages in the intestines. Right. I remember we did 770 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,959 Speaker 1: a story back in our days at that one website where, yeah, 771 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 1: like the weirdest things removed. Back when we were like 772 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: highbrow journalists, we did an article about the weirdest things 773 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: removed from people's bodies. Giant hairballs. Yeah, yeah, and they 774 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: have to be surgically removed. One of the records setting 775 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,320 Speaker 1: ones weighed fourteen pounds. And you don't need a Google 776 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: image it. You don't need to. It looks like a 777 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: big chunk of condensed hair. Yeah, I did. I had 778 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: described it for you. Yeah, it's a it's if you've 779 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,760 Speaker 1: ever removed a hairball from like a drain. Just picture 780 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: that that but like like a neutron star of that. 781 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: It's like very compacted. But to put it bluntly, so 782 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,320 Speaker 1: like eating other parts of your body wouldn't really technically 783 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: count as pika because it'd be pretty nutritious. Like if 784 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: you ate a finger, that'd be nutritious. What about fingernails, No, 785 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: that's just that, that's just keraton. It doesn't doesn't add anything, 786 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: and you can't digest it. Sorry, Jack, I know you've 787 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: been doing it wrong. I have to start spitting them out. 788 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: You're supposed to eat the actual fingers. Um, So let's 789 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 1: go on an imagination journey through the mind to a 790 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: stop imagination station all aboard the brain train. So if 791 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 1: you were starving, what what body part would you eat first? Like, 792 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: like you're on a raft in the middle of the ocean. 793 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: There's nothing you can eat. There's no fish in this scenario, 794 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: or you're just really bad at fishing. So it's like 795 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,399 Speaker 1: five years in the future, right right, Um, we're all 796 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: we're all flooded, but there's no fish and all the 797 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: bees are dead. And but I've already eating all the 798 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: people that I've been went on the board, You've already 799 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,879 Speaker 1: eaten the cabin boy. Um, So there's no no more 800 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,919 Speaker 1: boys to eat um, no more eat um. So what 801 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: body part would you eat first? My butt? Where are 802 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: you gonna sit though? I'm a face sleeper, okay, so 803 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: just cut on into the butt. I think it's what 804 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: i'd go for, nice and meaty rump rosta Yeah, no, no, no, 805 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: that's that's ends. That sounds disgusting. But yeah, I mean 806 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: I guess that's like a good choice because it's very fatty. 807 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: You so much, I mean, I'm appreciate, I appreciate you 808 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: in that round about way telling me I have a 809 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: fat Yeah. Well, you know, um, and it's like there's 810 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: not there's not like too many blood vessels. There so 811 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: no major arteries in your butt. Uh so you know 812 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: you you Yeah, let's face it, I'm a white male. 813 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,399 Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna miss. But it's it's you might barely there 814 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: to begin. You might like get like the nickname the 815 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,439 Speaker 1: butt survivor. But you know, but survivor. Yeah, you mean 816 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: the superhero name, but survivor, right, But you do actually 817 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: have to I mean, like I feel, I guess if 818 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,760 Speaker 1: you're starving, though, would like a human butt be appetizing. 819 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,400 Speaker 1: I think it's the first thing I would eat even 820 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: if I had food. No, I I don't know. Yeah, 821 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: I guess I was kind of thinking that that has 822 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: the most because don't they say that fat has a 823 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: lot of energy, like a lot of calories. Yeah, yeah, 824 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean fat is Yeah, it has a 825 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 1: lot of calories, and it's probably you're probably getting the 826 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,879 Speaker 1: most bang for your buck with the butt because there's 827 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,279 Speaker 1: no there's not like bones in there. There's not a 828 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: lot of tendons, and like it would be among the 829 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: hardest things to turniquet though, that is true, a butt tourniquet. 830 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, maybe like maybe you 831 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 1: just like slice it real thin, like like a ham, 832 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 1: like one of those like one of those slicers at 833 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 1: the grocery store. So it's like it's so thin you 834 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: don't even feel it. Yeah, I don't think that's possible. 835 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,439 Speaker 1: But there's like this thing called like mapping the Human 836 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: Body project or something, and like it's where they take 837 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 1: dead people's bodies and then like they map the whole 838 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: body by taking pictures of cross sections all throughout the body. 839 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 1: And to do that you have to freeze. Yes, they 840 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,840 Speaker 1: freeze the body and actually watch this and it's a 841 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, when you get past the fact this was 842 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: like a human it's actually kind of interesting because they 843 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: like take like very thin shavings off of it and 844 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: take a picture and then that way they can make 845 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: a three D They put all of those pictures into 846 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: a computer program and it makes it an entirely complete 847 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 1: three D model of everything, the skin, the fat tissues, 848 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: the circulatory system, the bones um. And there was this 849 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 1: lady who like volunteered to do it, and it's just 850 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: like it's so weird because you like there's just like 851 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: a pair of legs and like the bottom half of 852 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: the body, just like getting sliced up, and it's hot. 853 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: It's hot, it's hot. It's really yeah. Um So, I 854 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 1: thought this was about gluttony, not lust. Come on, come on, guys, 855 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: come on. Eating your own butt would be called auto cannibalism. 856 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: And see, squirts are marine. Squirts are marine invertebrates who 857 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 1: practice auto cannibalism. So in their adult forms, they look 858 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: like these weird, globbly, colorful tube things that, uh, they 859 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: don't even look like animals. They look like some kind 860 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 1: of weird SpongeBob plant because they're attached to rocks or reefs. 861 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 1: They don't really move on their own. They they're just 862 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: kind of look like like very colorful inflatable you know, 863 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 1: those like inflatable dudes that are outside of like card 864 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: dealerships and stuff where it's like, oh, it's like a 865 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: wacky inflatable dude. Nick, do I have to tell her 866 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: that those aren't real dudes? I need to reassess my 867 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 1: relationship then one of those. Um So, adults can either 868 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 1: be solitary or form colonies, and they they're really weird. 869 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,720 Speaker 1: And it took me a lot of time to wrap 870 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: my mind around this. Because they can reproduce sexually by 871 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: just shooting out sperm and egg or by collecting sperm 872 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,799 Speaker 1: that is fertilized within the C. Squirt. And they can 873 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 1: also reproduce a sexually by butting, which is a form 874 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,759 Speaker 1: of like creating a clone of itself forming colonies. And 875 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 1: it's just it's basically they'll just try anything one budding 876 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: b U D D I. Yes, yes, not butting. That's 877 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,839 Speaker 1: that's what we were talking about earlier with the butt 878 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: eating um. That is the scientific name for it. By 879 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: the way, could we edit it so that when she 880 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 1: asks what I would do, or even before she asked 881 00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 1: the question, I have the I'd eat my own butt 882 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 1: answer like way too ready to go, Like immediately, I'm 883 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: just like I'd eat my own butt, Katie, proceed with 884 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: your question. So, uh. Some colonial species of C squirts 885 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:56,240 Speaker 1: are linked by root like projection called stolens, which sounds 886 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,840 Speaker 1: like gross, and these stolens can grow into new individuals 887 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,439 Speaker 1: within the colony called zooids. This just sounds like an 888 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: alien porno now, like I'm gonna part my stolen in 889 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 1: your huoid. Yeah yeah, yeah, super hot, And everyone was 890 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,560 Speaker 1: thinking that before you said, yeah, I mean we're all 891 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: on the same page here, right, Yeah, So other species 892 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: of sea squirts can just like break apart and form 893 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,479 Speaker 1: new buds, like new little protos c squirts, or they'll 894 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 1: split in half and make two seats. It's just like 895 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,520 Speaker 1: they do anything they feel like they can. They can 896 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: have sex, bite just randomly tossing out sperm and eggs 897 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: or like sperm eggs and like, it's just it's crazy 898 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,720 Speaker 1: that they have all these different types of reproductive strategies 899 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: where they can like just be like I'm just gonna 900 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,240 Speaker 1: like just pop off a couple of babies a sexually, 901 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: or I'm just gonna like dissolve into a few new babies, 902 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,240 Speaker 1: or we're all split in half and create a twin. 903 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:08,919 Speaker 1: It's it's really weird. That would be a great imagination 904 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: station for down the road, just imagining if humans had 905 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 1: the ability to just reproduce all of those ways. Like, 906 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 1: would we ever have sex with each other? Because I 907 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,160 Speaker 1: feel like everybody would just probably break themselves off because 908 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: we're all narcissists. But I mean, I feel like people 909 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,160 Speaker 1: don't always just have sex to have babies these days. 910 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: What I know, right, I'm sorry, I have to reevaluate 911 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:39,600 Speaker 1: my relationship. I'm sorry, Jesus. Um. So, for C squirts 912 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: who fertilize their eggs doing reproduction in the normal god 913 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:51,280 Speaker 1: fear in American way, then the missionary position, a larva 914 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,479 Speaker 1: will form, and the larva actually looks like tadpoles, which 915 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 1: is weird because the adult forms of C squorts look 916 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,320 Speaker 1: like weird plants and the larva look like actual kind 917 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: of like you know, like a tadpole. Um, And they 918 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: undergo process called retrogressive metamorphosis because that means that their 919 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,840 Speaker 1: adult form is more simplistic than the larval form, just 920 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: like humans. Huh yeah, we lose a lot of our 921 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: souls when we become adults. Yeah yeah, um so children 922 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: are so pure, they are pure. Nobody has ever said that. 923 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,640 Speaker 1: Who has had children? Right? Right? Yeah? So they attached 924 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: themselves to rocks or reef material, and they'll become a 925 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,920 Speaker 1: mobile filter feeders, which is called being sessile, which to me, 926 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 1: it just sounds like ale and porn. Again. It's like 927 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna put my chest and shy of your huoid. 928 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm that's your sex voice. Yeah, I'm here to deliver 929 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,640 Speaker 1: some stolene. But look appears you do not have any credits, 930 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:02,400 Speaker 1: so I'm going to seshile. So basically they're just a 931 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: mouth of stomach and a butt tube. But that's not 932 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,560 Speaker 1: the crazy part. The c squirt larvae have like tadpole 933 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 1: form of them have this very simple brain vesicle. It's 934 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,120 Speaker 1: a nerve cord and a primitive precursor to the spine 935 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: uh and sensory organ so like an I dot which 936 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,360 Speaker 1: detects light and an autolith which detects gravity. So it 937 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 1: forms this very simple, dumb little brain nervous system that 938 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 1: allows it to seek out a solid surface to attach to. 939 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Once it attaches itself to a reef and becomes an adult, 940 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 1: it will eat its own brain, nervous system and tail 941 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,520 Speaker 1: because it doesn't need them anymore. Kind of. So this 942 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 1: is one of those things where like the headlines are 943 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,200 Speaker 1: like it eats its own brain, and then you read 944 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 1: it further and it's still really cool, but it's not 945 01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 1: just like somehow physically and possibly like turn running around 946 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: and chewing on its own brain and digests it right right, 947 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 1: so it absorbs it kind of like if anybody watches 948 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Doctor who the absorble off or it just sort of 949 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:18,040 Speaker 1: like melds things into its body um nerd alert, nerd alert. 950 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, we all watch that. Yeah yeah here 951 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:27,200 Speaker 1: in America. Move along, I watched Sports Center. Uh. So 952 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: it'll absorb its own tail nerve cord and sensory organs, 953 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: and the brain vesicle that controlled movement and digestion is 954 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: also absorbed, and it's recycled into sort of a more 955 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 1: simple form of like it's a cerebral ganglion, which is 956 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,880 Speaker 1: just kind of a group of nerve cell bodies that 957 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: now all it does is allows it to eat and reproduce, 958 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,680 Speaker 1: so turns into just this like tube that it's just 959 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: like eaten, having sex and pupin the ultimate center because 960 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,480 Speaker 1: it's like getting drunk for that species. Feel like yeah, 961 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 1: I guess so, because it's just like sitting around just 962 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: allowing everything to come to it, like you know, like 963 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't even move to like go have sex. It's 964 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: just like I don't know, just come, you know, order 965 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,080 Speaker 1: to pizza. It's like getting way too drunk. I think 966 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,680 Speaker 1: it's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like like the kind of 967 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,960 Speaker 1: drink you shouldn't be doing where you're just like ordering 968 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of food off of like Amazon Prime, where 969 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,439 Speaker 1: you're just like groceries, not even a meal. Just I want, 970 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: like I want like a dozen eggs. Yeah, I mean, 971 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:55,919 Speaker 1: I like pomegrants take into account all the work. That's when, 972 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know, like when it's just like you 973 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: you wake up and you're surrounded by like eggshells and 974 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,240 Speaker 1: like half eaten pomegranates, that you're in trouble. That's that's 975 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,600 Speaker 1: what told me so. But if you're more interested in 976 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,040 Speaker 1: the kind of glutton that uses its mouth to eat, 977 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 1: gosh darn unaccepting people like you should be able to 978 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,400 Speaker 1: eat too. I know. There's a frog called the argentinean 979 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: wide mouth frog, which is which is really insulting, just 980 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,840 Speaker 1: like the wide mouth um. It's also known as the 981 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: pac man frog, and it makes a lot of sense 982 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,439 Speaker 1: because the frog has a mouth that takes up a 983 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,880 Speaker 1: bunch of its body volume, and it mainly subsists on ghosts, 984 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,360 Speaker 1: so it looks like a green pac man and it 985 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: acts like one too. It'll just fearlessly eat rodents, reptiles, 986 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,000 Speaker 1: large spiders, each other, and even prey that's too large 987 01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,720 Speaker 1: to fit in its mouth, and it's it will actually 988 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 1: like choke to death or even rip its own stomach open. 989 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Attempting to gorge itself on something way too big, and 990 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,640 Speaker 1: they're like pictures of it, like with like a lizard 991 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,680 Speaker 1: just like popping out of its stomach because it's like 992 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,280 Speaker 1: it's like that looks about right, and it's just like 993 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,520 Speaker 1: forcing it in, like Kirby, just like get in there. Stop. 994 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,640 Speaker 1: What is the evolutionary advantage of like not having a 995 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm too full reflex? Just fast eating like and it's 996 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,240 Speaker 1: it's not even that it's too full, it's like that 997 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't even it's not even thinking about like what 998 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 1: it's eating. It's just like eating eat. It's like if 999 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 1: it isn't thinking before eating, it's going to be faster 1000 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,360 Speaker 1: at grabbing prey and uh and then like on average, 1001 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,040 Speaker 1: you know that'll be okay because even like like big, 1002 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: bigger prey, prey that's too big will generally maybe be 1003 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,560 Speaker 1: able to escape and so like no harm, no foul, 1004 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,560 Speaker 1: but like, uh, if it's indiscriminate, it's going to get 1005 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,600 Speaker 1: as much in there as possible. But sometimes too much, 1006 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,160 Speaker 1: sometimes too much, and then they're just like a statistic 1007 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,680 Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's it's too bad for the 1008 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,360 Speaker 1: pac man frog. But overall it's a relatively good strategy 1009 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,240 Speaker 1: to just like, I guess animals can look at us 1010 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,120 Speaker 1: and be like, why do they do drugs? Until that 1011 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,040 Speaker 1: didn't make sense. Yeah, uh so creepy or still there's 1012 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,320 Speaker 1: a human version of the argentinean wide mouth frog. I 1013 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:34,960 Speaker 1: feel bad because they're about no. So it's he's actually 1014 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,960 Speaker 1: a Frenchman in the late eighteenth century. And I swear 1015 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,160 Speaker 1: I did not plan out like calling them like like 1016 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,000 Speaker 1: making comparing a French person to a frog. That was 1017 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: not that. There's no reason to do that. I'm not intentional. 1018 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,919 Speaker 1: So in the late eighteenth century, this guy was known 1019 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:58,160 Speaker 1: simply as Tarar, and Tarar was insatiably hungry, eating anything 1020 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,040 Speaker 1: and everything he could. Uh. He was a normally sized man, 1021 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,280 Speaker 1: even kind of a little bit on the skinny side, 1022 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,200 Speaker 1: but his stomach would distend to accommodate his strange and 1023 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,200 Speaker 1: gluttonous diet. I think what the kids call this day 1024 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:18,240 Speaker 1: like a food baby. And he had an abnormally wide 1025 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,080 Speaker 1: mouth and loose skin on his cheeks, just like kind 1026 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 1: of flocking around Aura and his own kid just unlocked 1027 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:33,360 Speaker 1: her joke fit an entire gerbil inside my mouth. His 1028 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: own parents kicked him out for eating too much. He 1029 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:41,000 Speaker 1: traveled as an entertainer and this is kind of gross, 1030 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,240 Speaker 1: but he would swallow full baskets of apples, dozens of eggs, 1031 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,440 Speaker 1: feasts in one sitting, and even live eels, snakes, lizards, 1032 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: and live cats and puppies. Yeah, I mean yeah, I 1033 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,919 Speaker 1: mean this is back in the eighteenth century where they're 1034 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,560 Speaker 1: just like it's we don't see the amazing. We don't 1035 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:11,560 Speaker 1: have TVs, so I don't know, eat a kitten, throw 1036 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,600 Speaker 1: your cat at and see what happens. So there, you know, 1037 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Peter didn't exist at the time, so people were like, oh, 1038 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: he just ate seven kittens, how droll um. So while 1039 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,160 Speaker 1: he was in the hospital attempting to undergo treatment, he 1040 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,560 Speaker 1: even attempted to eat bodies in the morgue, and he 1041 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: was accused, although it was not proven, of eating a toddler. 1042 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,760 Speaker 1: Uh So the hospital kicked him out like well, like 1043 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,640 Speaker 1: they're like, all right, you can eat as many dead 1044 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,240 Speaker 1: bodies in the morgue, but you eat a toddler, that's it. 1045 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,880 Speaker 1: Animal Again, they found him in like the newborn nursery. Yeah, 1046 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, like what they I think a toddler 1047 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,320 Speaker 1: just went missing. So they were like, tarare I heard 1048 01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:02,160 Speaker 1: he even ate the hospital food. All right, guys, so 1049 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,520 Speaker 1: the hospital kicked him out. I've been Jack everyone Jack's 1050 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 1: been jack Um. And so that's the story of ter Aar, 1051 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,280 Speaker 1: the legendary human pac man frog. The hospital kicked him out, 1052 01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,400 Speaker 1: and he just kind of well, he eventually died. Yeah, dissolved, 1053 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,960 Speaker 1: dissolved into like like several smaller terrs, like I don't 1054 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,519 Speaker 1: knows where he is to this day. He might be. 1055 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,280 Speaker 1: He could be right behind you, that's right in your 1056 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,080 Speaker 1: back seat, yes, because you're driving, or like yeah, open 1057 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 1: your eyes. By the way, Oh, ship, we never told 1058 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:42,559 Speaker 1: you got a seat to drive. Your car is covered 1059 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,680 Speaker 1: in human body parts. Well, at least you know, at 1060 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,559 Speaker 1: least you learned something. At least you learned. You've been 1061 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,439 Speaker 1: on a journey. You've been on a learning journey, learning journey, 1062 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,080 Speaker 1: learning journey. Uh, that's gonna be the new name of 1063 01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,479 Speaker 1: this podcast, My Good Mouth eaton Boys a learning journey. 1064 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 1: So this seems like it was a more common thing 1065 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,160 Speaker 1: to just eat ship, like not ship, but like eat 1066 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,759 Speaker 1: just things that aren't supposed to be eaten. Because another 1067 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,360 Speaker 1: article we did at an hour old hybrow publication was 1068 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,640 Speaker 1: about like people with really weird diets and Darwin, in 1069 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,439 Speaker 1: addition to like discovering all these species and like coming 1070 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,320 Speaker 1: up with the theory of evolution ate every species that 1071 01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,680 Speaker 1: we documented. And there are a bunch of kings and 1072 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,479 Speaker 1: other people throughout history who just like ate everything. They 1073 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,760 Speaker 1: thought it was like a sign of like maybe that 1074 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,040 Speaker 1: was before we had gotten used to being out of 1075 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,120 Speaker 1: the food chain, and like that's how you showed your 1076 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,519 Speaker 1: dominance over Interesting. There's like that one French scientist guy 1077 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,080 Speaker 1: who like this is like right before the French Revolution 1078 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,479 Speaker 1: and like all he would do is drink milk for 1079 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 1: a long time to see if that worked. He was 1080 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 1: killed in the revolution, but to see if that would 1081 01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,760 Speaker 1: bring peace to the French countries in the world. Know, 1082 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,280 Speaker 1: think it was more of a scientific thing, like can 1083 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,439 Speaker 1: you just drink milk? Oh, to see if that would 1084 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,440 Speaker 1: make them all the sustenance that he needed. Yeah, Mussolini 1085 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,000 Speaker 1: was also that he would only eat white things and 1086 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,080 Speaker 1: mostly at the end of his life was just racist. 1087 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,120 Speaker 1: Don't say that about Muslin. Um, Yeah, I don't know. 1088 01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, although to be fair to Darwin, 1089 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,799 Speaker 1: if you're like the grandfather of discovering all these new species, 1090 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't you just taste them? I wouldn't. But that's where 1091 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,000 Speaker 1: you and Darwin are different. He found like an entirely 1092 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:39,040 Speaker 1: new turtle. You wouldn't just taste it. Then he ate 1093 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:44,360 Speaker 1: an entire turtle like a giant tortoise. Ate turtles. But 1094 01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,160 Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean, there's used to be a food before, 1095 01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,920 Speaker 1: Like we killed a lot of them, and I guess 1096 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I went out of vogue. Well, this is the Animal 1097 01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:06,479 Speaker 1: Theme podcast, where we actively encourage eating endangered species. So, Jack, 1098 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,000 Speaker 1: you got anything to plug? I don't know, like maybe 1099 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,639 Speaker 1: a podcast tong sort. Yeah, we have a podcast here 1100 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,400 Speaker 1: on this very network. It's called The Daily Zeitgeist. Uh. 1101 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,960 Speaker 1: We published a new episode every weekday. Is I My 1102 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: co host Miles Gray, who was on the episode about 1103 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,160 Speaker 1: Weird Moms from season one. 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